/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Consider doing the following references for your personal studies/exercises if you don't know what to draw.
/beg/ is not a competition if you are interested in doing so there's a variety of other threads for that.

>>4566298
Some ground rules to start this thread and the next /beg/ threads off:

>if you are /beg/
Don't ever give advice.
You can relate and share your hardships with other /beg/s, but never give them advice.
If you MUST give advice, start the reply off with "I'm beg, but what worked for me is..."

>Before you post your work
1. Every person giving advice here expects for you to have at least read some of the sticky, and that you already know what you should be doing to improve.
In that light, replies such as "grind more fundamentals" are perfectly viable advice.
We expect you to know what the general fundamentals are (gesture, anatomy, perspective, drapery, etc.), and we expect you to know where you can find resources to practice these subjects.
Sometimes literally the only good advice to give is to practice more and improve your technique.

2. DO NOT post your 5 minute sketches that you didn't put much thought into. If you do post them then make sure to ask for SPECIFIC advice on a specific subject.
If you post a doodle and ask "where did i go wrong" or "how should I continue from here", expect to get meme replies such as "Loomis".

Follow these simple rules and the generals will become much more productive for both the /beg/s and the people giving advice

Threadly ref

>>4566340
bonus

>>4566335
What reference did you use for this?

>>4566361
none to see how my imagination improved

That's the HB pass, not sure if I wanna do 2B-4B ahh

>>4566375
Nice job Asukabro

I've made a few more adjustments after getting feedback from the previous thread, are there anything else wrong with this?

>>4566337
crit please

>>4566408
I just noticed I forgot to lower the eyes as suggested by a post from the last thread.

One of those rare instances I’m drawing while not high.

I love drawing scenes in perspective but I can't draw straight lines for shit. any tips?

Trying out CSP. What brush are you guys using for sketching?

i tried drawing a giraffe but it ended up looking cursed
any feedback

>>4566441
you're the guy who's afraid of hands. didn't know your were a junkie.

>>4566460
cute alpaca

Who is the fucking /beg/ that keeps drawing my waifu? Stop, now.

>>4566466
I touched myself with my hands once. My penis hasn’t worked ever since. That’s why I draw with my feet. Hands are evil.

>>4566475
Who is your waifu? Asuka?

any of you guys have back problems?

I can’t figure out what’s wrong with this face I did just now, It just feels so off to me

>>4566481
legs seems wobbly. pelvis detached from spine. wrist feels somewhat rubbery

>>4566491
>Don't ever give advice
It is not advise by the way but observations.

I'm /beg/ but what does the future hold for me?

>>4566510
death

>>4566343
Loomis

Felt like trying out doing a cool lighting and a warm lighting with the same darker skin tone to see how it looks.

>>4566447
Youre already better than most people on /int/, why dont you post there

>>4566447
I've been changing for airbrush otherwise I was using the G-pen and the Darker Pencil.

made the old guy not asian somehow, think it's the upper eyelids

>>4566306
>>4566310
references for ants

>>4566484
Here’s every revision I’ve done to current

>>4566548
never

>>4566649
nice samara

>>4566620
soulful

>>4566659
Samara from The Ring movie?

>>4566673
yes, also known as sadako

Value study

>>4566677
Huh, it’s not really based of anyone. So if it looks like sadako, then I guess it looks like sadako unfortunately

>>4566688
I thnk the eyes are too dark and at the same time too open, so it looks like she's both sad and somehow supernatural

>>4566692
it seems I spent my time polishing a piece of shit then

>>4566707
it doesn't look that bad anon, it's just eerie, that's all.

>>4566382
Took a break and spent at best 30 minutes touching it up with 2b and 4b, time to move on to the next thing.

>>4566719
Rendering is really nice but you completely messed up the construction. If you got construction right this would've promoted you straight to /int/.

>>4566298
Studying Steve Hustons head beginners course. I’m struggling with eyes. But I think I’m ok with the face. Haven’t went over noses yet so I just blocked it in. I used reference for this, thoughts? I got to place the brows better and I think the left eye doesn’t show enough form. I don’t know how to draw lips well so I just blooped one in.

>>4566620
It looks really nice overall

High again. Fuck all you fuckers. And fuck me for not getting any better after over a year of drawing. Well technically 30 years. But I really hadn’t drawn much since 2003.

I FELT THE FORM. OMG I FUCKING FELT IT. THIS IS FUCKING WEIRD.

>>4566747
I'm a /beg/ but the eyes aren't crazy bad. I'd say you're doing good and need to keep grinding

>>4566770
FEEL THE RHYTHM

>>4566408
to me it looks like you’re symbol drawing. there’s little obvious construction - your features are just hanging in a void. post your sketch layer

>>4566747
Draw bigger.

>>4566747
I’m the /beg/ sadako, so I have no place to be talking about eyes, but I think you’re doing alright

>>4566792
This has been a huge issue. I use printing copy paper. And I have the tendency to draw small. I’ll definitely have to stop that.

>>4566775
Thanks. I’m honestly pretty fucking lazy. But I’ve decided to really take this seriously. Thanks.

>>4566804
Whenever you're copying from reference, measure it's boundaries with a ruler, multiply it by 1.5-2 with a calculator, and set that as your boundary size on the paper.

>>4566792
S-size isn’t everything.

>>4566768
I believe in you

Question about CSP, how do people do that thing where they take a very large brush and color the whitespace within a drawing without also coloring the lines themselves or going outside of them?

>>4566314

Here’s something from like 2008. I don’t feel like I’ve improved any.

>>4566833
you're referring to alpha locking?

>>4566847
Completely new to rendering so I have no idea what it's called.
The guy I was watching did this by locking the transparency but when I do it and try to color in what happens is it only colors the lines instead of anything inside of it.

>>4566862
Lol you've made a layer error.
This is how your layers should be formatted:
LINEART (Lock this layer so it cannot be altered)
FILL (Turn off transparent pixels once you've filled it with flat colors within the lines, then you can work on this layer to paint)
BACKGROUND (self explanatory)
You locked transparent pixels on your lineart layer, not your flats layer. The flats layer must be separate to your background as well.

>>4566862
You can use magic wand to select inside area and then increase the selection outwards by a few pixles to really cover all of the inside. Other than that I don't know of a method to tell the program to only draw "inside" a drawing.

>>4566866
>once you've filled it with flat colors within the lines
That's the part I don't know how to do
>>4566868
This is what I mean
https://youtu.be/mX8S5nZuEPQ?t=420

>>4566842
the line art is crisp and clean, I kinda envy you

>>4566876
Looks like he probably had a selection or filled it with yellow brush and didn't tell you, it's not possible to just fill within the lines like that.
The way to do it is if your lineart Is fully connected then you can make a magic selection outside the body and then Invert Selection to color inside it, or you can fill it with a full-opacity brush manually and then lock TP

>>4566884
Yeah that was it, thank you.

Digital inking is killing me man. Do any of you spend like 5 times the time of sketching on inking?

>>4566894
I despise digital inking, it’s why I strive for good traditional inking and I just port things into digital to color them, or I do not have lineart in my digital work

>>4566901
>do not have lineart in my digital work

how does that work?

Who else here is learning the overhand grip for pencils?

bros I finally got charcoal pencils, very exited to draw

>>4566909
it's pretty neat for drawing circle and it makes freehand drawing a less awkward because you don't have to float your hand over the paper with your normal grip which I never got used to

>>4566913

>>4566903
I just paint with brushes like a normal painting. Real painting doesn’t have linework anyway

>>4566909
it's pretty neat for drawing circle and it makes freehand drawing less awkward because you don't have to float your hand over the paper with your normal grip and I never got used to float my hand with the writing grip

>>4566922
Pic rel

How accurate is this?

>>4566925
bruh please tell me that's not beginner level

>>4566909
I started doing it recently. Getting used to it slowly.

>>4566927
if you are drawing smut it's the other way around

My crappy attempt at sci-fi(ish) anime clothing. I'm well aware the background is pretty awful, didn't put any much thought on that. I'll try doing another take with different camera angle.

>>4566927
>anatomy at the top
>shading over technique
Fucking no. Not unless this is the cartoonist's pyramid

>>4566937
What would you consider a better hierarchy and recommended learning order?

>>4566931
No haha I have a bit of practice, I was just posting an example of my work where I didn’t use lineart,
I highly recommend doing bright blue or red lineart as a structure guide over the top of a digital face you want to paint and then paint under it, you can even trace over a photo in the beginning because you’re learning to paint forms, not do lineart. But that image itself was painted from scratch, no lineart.

>>4566922
ah I see, I don't know how to paint tho, I was imagining comic/animu type of coloring, and from the WIP I saw from a few of the artists that I like, they seem to always have a pretty tidy inking layer, black on white, crisp, etc

that looks really nice btw

>>4566941
Storytelling/composition

Shading, color

Gesture, perspective, anatomy, proportion, structure

>>4566946
Then I would still suggest drawing traditionally and porting it over to digital to color under. It is a highly popular technique. Some people, like you and I, can’t into digital lineart

i need to get off discord and DRAW. FUCK

>>4566956
You should get off Discord period. I met some pretty unbearable people on that app and my time could've been better spent elsewhere.

>>4566311
5 minutes, I'm drunk and bored

>>4566959
>I met some pretty unbearable people on that app
You're replying to one of them.

another try

I dont know if try to fix it or just try again anyway it will be another time
I still have more sand paper to get rid off :3

>>4566949
I see I see, that'd definitely make things easier, it's somehow comforting to learn that I'm not the only one to struggle with this, it's a shame really, because digital tools are so powerful and I find myself drawing differently on pencil + paper vs digital

have you ever tried to deliberately improve your hand eye coordination when using a graphic tablet w/o display? I've read that sometimes people never really get used to it, but I also saw these exercises from bam animation that are supposed to increase one's inking precision, I'm thinking of giving them a try for a couple of weeks and see where that takes me

>>4566972
how do you plan on fixing it? it looks pretty completed to me

>>4566962
ah yes, the alcohol-induced babushka manifestation

>>4566510
thousands upon thousands of loomis heads and and boxes

>>4566982
I have a screenless tablet (which either means you're completely fucked or there's hope for you depending on how you look at it) and so I cannot advise. I know Feng Zhu, an artist I look up to, got really fucking good at screenless, he doesn't work with a screen tablet. But his lineart is relatively imprecise and relies on multiple go-overs, whereas comic lineart is usually (but not always) more clean, if only because we don't have time to waste on hundreds of perfect panels.

>>4566988
is loomis the only way? what are some alternatives?

>>4567002
the box is an alternative

>>4566984

I dont know, maybe lowering the right eye, there is something in the eyes I dont like maybe they need to be lower

>>4567000
feng zhu's stuff is pretty neat, they feel very cinematic

>>4567022
no, I mean like for example, are you gonna erase it and draw it again? that sounds kinda painful

>>4567024
He is after all a concept artist, and he is very good at the process of sketch to almost-painting. His older work is usually more interesting because it wasn't made with 3D

>>4567029
>because we don't have time to waste on hundreds of perfect panels

what did you mean by that?

>>4567031
Feng zhu is fast at making lineart but it's still overall quite slow, especially in terms of how long it takes to clean up. A comic relies on a sense of movement, and Feng Zhu does a lot but his talents do not lie in expression, gesture, or dynamicism. These things are not only accomplished with practice, but also immediacy. Obviously we must approach our art with care and attention, but at the same time a drawing of someone running is not enhanced by multiple passes over its lines to make them perfect and nibbly. Take this illustration by Ashley Wood as an example of 'first stroke' techniques being applied to lend movement to a picture

>>4567027

yeah, erasing it, thats why Ill do it another day

>>4567000
Exactly, I'm talking about a screenless tablet too (w/o display), I've got a unopened PTK-840 that's probably been forgotten at a corner of some warehouse last year for cheap. I'm talking about the potential for improvement when it comes to that kind of hand eye coordination.

>if only because we don't have time to waste on hundreds of perfect panels

what did you mean by this?

>>4567037
that makes sense, feng zhu's stuff are so detailed

>>4567047
>what did you mean by this?
See >>4567037
As for the potential for improvement, I feel the learning you get from getting better at screenless is not necessarily the same as learning how to make good lineart, it's just getting better at using a screenless tablet. If anything, the goal is to be good at visible lineart and have your screenless work catch up to your traditional skill.

>>4567037
so you mean like concept artists cannot really make the lineart that crispy because there is much more details to be fleshed out right? it does make sense, comic characters and scenes have to be reproductible fairly efficiently going from frame to frame so I guess they'd be simpler, and yeah details and movement probably don't go together well

>>4567055
Precisely.
You can see Kim Jung Gi as a sort of intermediate between dynamic and detailed art, because he usually works straight pen-to-paper, but sometimes his work is called soulless

>>4567059
kim jung gi is an awesome artist, but watching him work is the least didactical experience I've ever had. people call him a human printer for a reason. watching him draw is like watching a computer render an image, he simply knows where each line should go and that's it. even when he's trying to teach he just talks about the real stuff he's drawing ("this part of the gun does that and that"), he seems like a 100% intuitive artist

>>4567063
I admit I work solely in direct ink because of him, I was never impressed with how I was going with pencil underlayers and ironically my first sketchbook was solely pen but then I got carried away with pencil for a year and a half before going back to pen again. I do recommend doing solely pen, I don't believe Kim's work is soulless because of the process I believe it's soulless because he has no soul.

>>4567067
because he signed a pact with the devil or because he's asian?

>>4567067
I don't think it's soulless at all, I just think he has such a strong "talent" it can't be copied. I've watched tons of his videos and can't say I learned anything from his method, he's just good. It's like a very strong guy telling you that to lift heavy weights you just need to flex your muscles. I'm still amazed by his work but trying to copy him is fruitless

>>4567053
I do feel like my hand eye coordination when it comes to screenless has an obvious gap from when I can actually see my hand putting down the line, to an extreme degree, and that's something that I want to focus on in the short term, I feel like being able to use the tablet better will make all aspects of digital art more convenient as well

If I'm even fucking up construction, what do I study? Or do I just keep going for it until I understand

blocking in preliminary shapes

>>4567008
to which artist is that attributed to?

>>4567098
drawabox.com

>>4567097
Really nice anon, good work on the trapezius muscle. Knees could maybe do with more work, they tend to have some interesting shapes. Calf-to-ankle link is too thick, it usually narrows into a graceful curve. But you're doing well

>>4566298
What should I study to improve my lines from being shit or stop symbol drawing?

>>4567102
some anon said the experience that it offers is conductive to suicide tho

>>4567106
The most useful reference is just the aspects of whatever is most interesting to you. For instance, I like drawing eyes and I think the structure of hooded eyes is interesting, and I got better at drawing them just by trying to emulate the structure, how they're spheres set into almost a slit made up of fat under the eyebrow and fat from the bottom of the orbit

>>4567109
what if I like to draw cunny

are people recommending Riven Phoenix' structure of men memeing or is it legit helpful to learn drawing anatomy from imagination?

>>4567106
The path to stop symbol drawing is long and arduous

Did I mess up too much?>>4566999
I feel like I could've done the hand better and the ear wouldn't be visible from that angle.

>>4567149
you shouldn't be able to see labia from that angle mate

>>4567159
I didnt draw the vagina are we looking at the same image?

>>4567159
>>4567168
Never mind, it was just a stray line that looked like a vagina, sorry. I didn't notice it until now, I'll be careful in the future.

>>4567168
>>4567170

no worry, I know

>>4567170
I'm honestly not in a position of giving you any advice, but I have a feeling that /ic/ wouldn't appreciate anime stuff too much

>>4567177
>/ic/ wouldn't appreciate anime stuff too much
nobody tell him

>>4567122
No. Vilppu and Hampton are much better alternatives.

>>4566343
I really like the second to last, reminds me of dipper

>>4567200
thank you for the alternative

and also, I kinda caught on from how positive everyone was and that one guy trying to blow the whistle

https://boards.fireden.net/ic/thread/3474454/#q3474471

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>>4567097
Refining and blocking in shadows
>>4567105
ty

text2

pain

when someone says to me "learn construction" what exactly are they saying

>>4565931
This cracked me up anon, great job

What's the next step anons? How do I make the face more realistic and less flat, more texture mby?

What's the next step anons? How do I make the face more realistic and less flat?

I can't belive i just filled an entire page of my sketchbook, i think i am finally starting to enjoy drawing.

>>4567353
cute

Is this how I should be gesture drawing?

>>4567374
>Draw the rest of the fucking Shinobu.

>>4567374
no.

>>4567380
o-okay..
>>4567386
i thought gesture was supposed to be simple, what more do i need to do

>>4567401
Oh, you are not baiting. Akio watanabe has good gesture so check more of his full works.
https://youtu.be/74HR59yFZ7Y

>>4566298
What's the best method for studing muscles?
I've been trying the Loomis method so far and it's pretty good, but are there better methods?

>>4567220
This is amazing, beautiful gesture and anatomy.

>>4567374
see
>>4566332

>>4567220
There are a lot of unnecessary lines that doesn't tell the viewer anything
Espicallly the left Leg around the pelvis idk if this was just a Bridgman study of applying his forms or an actual drawing

>>4567434
not him but I disagree with you. All the lines around the pelvis convey the muscles and tendons that connect to the legs.

>>4566577
/beg/ is pretty much the only thread that I actively lurk. But I'll try to post in /int/ sometime.
>>4566579
I'll have to try the G-pen! I've been using the opaque watercolor and lighter pencil brush and can't decide.

>>4567442
And why do we need all that info? If this is a study k but an actual drawing the appeal of it very low and unnecessary

Just started using colored pencils

>>4567361
Thanks!
>>4567449
I wanna make clean sketches like you, do you free hand it?

Which are the biggest fuckups in this?

Recently started using colored pencil

>>4567445
>And why do we need all that info?
Because the anon who drew it decided to?
You do notice that he also outlined almost every other major muscle in the body. Maybe he did it to practice his anatomy, or maybe he did it because it appeals to him.
Point is you're not criticizing his technique and instead just telling him that you don't like how he did his drawing.
This is why >>4566332 suggests that /beg/s should stfu and not give constructive feedback on anything.

>>4567443
You shouldn't trust people who tell you to go to /int/ here

>>4567455
Very nice, I like the shading on the shirt and hair. Your lines are very pretty too.

>>4566312
When I finished drawing this I was proud of it.
Now comparing the two I can see how bad my spacing is.

>>4567411
this better

>>4567465
That happens to everyone anon. Its okay; I wonder why it happens? Is it from biasness? Do we put hours into something and just imagine it to look better than it is? Do we just gain a different perspective the next day?

>>4567464
Thanks, appreciate it!
>>4567465
If you’ve been working on something for a while it definitely helps to take a small break so you can come back and see it critically with fresh eyes

tried to put shine in the glasses kinda gave up, fuck

>>4566298
I drew an apple. Nice.

After a year of drawing line stuff, I tried doing some actual painting because I finally found a good explanation of how the oil brush works in CSP and because I want to break away from simple cel shading.

I'm not trying to be a painter, but I do appreciate that learning how to do this, at least to a mediocre degree, can translate into other areas.

So my question is how do I move forward? Where do I go next? I'm thinking of doing a bunch of studies, to properly understand the brushes, values, colors and how they work with form... how should I study if doing digital paintings isn't really my end goal (comics)? How do I do this?

For example, there's various levels of studying perspective, and there's no use studying the mathematics of it if all you want to do is draw coom art.

>>4567517
Not /beg/.

>Where do I go next?
>>>/int/

>>4567327
darker values and sharper shadows where its apropriate.

>>4567517
where can I find good explanations of like half of the shit in CSP

>>4567454
General anatomy and construction. I'll skip that because it's all over the place (eyes too large, nose too wide, face too short) and you can check for yourself by just layering your drawing on top of the reference and lowering the opacity.

More importantly you're symbol drawing, or you're missing out on the details. Examples of this that I can see:

- The eyes: Eyes aren't shaped the way children draw them. You're missing out on the whole structure of the eyes. They're not going around the face. The eye lids are not in the right place, and the lower eye lid fold is missing. There's no depth to them. Additionally, you messed up the eye lashes. You drew what you thought eyelashes look like. Try tracing the reference really accurately to see where you're going wrong.

- The eyebrows: You drew lines. That's not what the eyebrows look like on the ref. There's thickness, variation, single hairs.

- The nose: Other than being too thick, you flattened the entire nose with your shading, especially by missing out on the spherical shading of the tip of the nose. You're also missing the structure of the underside of the nose, how it connects to the lips, etc.

- If you're going to render shadows, you need to render the shadows that you see until you learn the forms.

Learn how to construct the parts of the face so that you can learn what to look for when drawing, even if you're just copying.

>>4567535
I found these videos very helpful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJ_22hZaDbk and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzn7mlx8zKM

Could it be? Divine inspiration during the night?
What thinks you /ic/, is this /beg/ on his way to making it?

>>4567573
ngmi

>>4566577
Stop trolling

>>4567225
i like it! can you share the ref?

>>4567526
>Really rough painting of an apple
>not /beg/
Fucking kill yourself.

>>4567577
Im not
He understands form and gesture very well.
He probably still has to do some learning but will improve quicker in int.

>>4567573
gmi

>>4567574
>>4567599
the duality of anon.

Thanks for the yous, I'm still receptive to any and all critiques you might feel like adding.

I don't know why I'm doing this... what's your end goal anons?

>>4567547
Thank you.

>>4566770
That doesn’t look like it has form anon...

>>4566770
Nope, no feeling the form. Flat as a board. Draw some boxes and cylinders and do the wrapping lines exercise on drawabox, then try again.

Am I at my limit?
I haven't improved in a year.
I'm seriously disheartened, I have no idea how to improve.
Any help at all at getting to the next stage would very much be appreciated.

>>4567637
Is that Rissy on the right?

>>4567640
Who's rissy?

>>4567637
What's your ultimate goal? Can you post a drawing you'd really like to be able to draw like?

How do I into drawing the eyes, nose, lips of a face?

>>4567646
My ultimate goal is reaching somebody like lalalalack or kamizuki shiki.

>>4567645
Some dogfucker OC that one guy kept shilling on /vp/.

>>4567657
Do some studies of art like that and start trying to emulate the way they color? Your work is mostly uncolored lineart, so coloring/rendering seems like an obvious place to start.

>>4567697
but what about everything else? I'm still shitty at anatomy, form, perspective even after a year.

>>4567705
It's not like the pic you posted has a lot of crazy anatomy and perspective going on. It seems like the sort of pose that you should be able to do well enough at your current level. Or you could just find a reference or use Design Doll for your poses, it's not like it's cheating or anything. But I'm worse than you so take it all with a grain of salt.

>>4567657
You need depth. surface. color . and ability rotate anime head in space.
it do not know how specifics of how to get this stuff. but it will take a while.

ref >>4560656

Are these good tablets to get?

https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B07VZF7ZC9/ref=cm_sw_r_apa_i_GytUEbDQPR7MR

https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B07BGXRXMB/ref=cm_sw_r_apa_i_xztUEbE6GQV7Q

Is this exercise useful? I don't know how to do faces yet.

https://youtu.be/QBv5z0Y2odE

>>4567761
I was literally watching this video right now

I'M FEELING THE
FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORM

How?

>>4567767
lighting on arms do not looks as good but cool stuff. what is it?

Learning to draw mechs.

i wish i could draw

>>4567783
Me too

>>4567783
just draw and then you will be able to draw

>>4567779
this old gundam head is kind of lame.

>>4567783
Same
>>4567787
It don't work

>>4567766
I spent hours transforming the bike into this one from some anime, but the old one just looks better huh.
A big frame is better for the composition, this one doesn't have those tons of details around it .Oh well I'll manage.
Also I get the feeling this will look much worse once cleaned up and colored

>>4567767
Wrong thread buddy, this is /beg/ if you haven't noticed

>>4567789
I need to start somewhere. Do you have any suggestions for what to try next?

>>4567778
>do not looks
Учи aнглийcкий cyкa

>>4567797
It is always only fellow zemlyaki who is bothered by it.

>>4567796
not him but draw a red frame

>>4567794
Did you copy this? Bevause it looks awesome and not /beg/

>>4567820
/beg/ level wheels though

>>4567766
>>4567820
>>4567828
I pretty much copied this, L-let's call it reference. That's how I see the wheels, I can't really adjust them to look good.
Then I ditched this bike model and referenced Hermes from Kino no Tabi, but I like this bulky bike better

>>4567834
And here the other ref

>>4567834
Behold the power of references.
I hope imaginationfags are paying attention.

I wish i knew how to crosshatch.

>>4567852
then learn

>>4566770
Literally learn about contour lines on 3D shapes and if you’re not a brainlet you would be able to feel the form in less than an hour.

How do you draw lips without making it look like shit symbol drawing?

How do I effectively copy art? I don't want to literally trace pictures so I'm just trying to redraw them by sight and somehow, even when I'm trying to copy the most basic animu girl face possible with like 99% white space the face turns out like some chromosome lacking male face that vaguely resembles a block. Do I just need to repeat this shit ad nauseum or is there some trick to it?

>>4567874
Another beg here, forget about it for the time being. As far as I see, we're still learning to do lineart. Features of the face can't be easily represented by lines, they're instead done by values (shadows and light).
It's nigh impossible to detail the lips with lines without it looking ugly, we'd need to get into rendering territory to do Pic related


But just a small "second mouth" like is fine, if you put it where it really goes it indicates that there are lips there.

>>4567888
/beg/ here. I'd say you need to have some understanding of construction before attempting to copy art, otherwise you're just copying the surface and nothing relevant Wil stick with you at that level.
Look for some construction videos or tutorials a bit, and then try to copy anime BUT drawing the underlying structure. The eyes have a certain distance for example that the artist maped out in their mind. The forehead has a certain shape as well, the jaw is very hard to get right and there's the cheekbones as well. All of that is a ton of construction that's flying past you if you try to copy the end result with blank spaces. You do the construction right and then erase those lines to get the right blank spaces.

Observation drawing is literally an open-book test all the answers are right in front of you.

>>4567874
https://youtu.be/EdLBGJ4wjFA?t=460

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>>4566924
should one learn to do the whole drawing, including the details, with the overhand grip? or should it be mainly used for gestures / rough sketches?

>>4567838
You have wrong idea about things. If you need to draw a bike or any real thing you need to know how it looks like not "imagine" it. If you do not know well - look it up.

Hi, i'm here. There is some new disable morons for ya. I'm still having problem with the angles of the face, especially with mouth.

>>4567951
You're now my favorite anon on this thread, welcome to mid /beg/

>>4567958
welcome to mid borderline CP

>>4567958
I thought I was already mid /beg/...

>>4567968
Alright I declare you High /beg/.
I can't find any real flaw in the lineart

>>4567220
Fantastical, all the lines here are essential. Good job Anon.

>>4567465
Even if it looks unfinished still is a good attempt you were on the right track on the nose but somehow it ended up being lower than it should be, I have no doubt if you added more shades to this and it would have looked amazing Anon.

>>4567968
Yeah I would say your 2019 drawings were already mid /beg/.

>>4567951
Is an pedophile a artist?

>>4567984
Thanks. I think I overlooked the nose length in my self reflection. To be honest I haven't really done any shading work before so I was just sort of guessing what to do.

>>4567766
I'm feeling the autism

>>4567951
Based cunny poster, but should really study anatomy a bit more. I’m looking forward for you future cunny artworks

>>4567991
I feel bad that such a nice anon has been posting for so long ago and I don't recognize him.
>>4567996
Well I'm feeling the flow, so rev up your deck!

>>4567995
You just add the darkest value first as you'll do with regular coloring and then you ease the pressure on the pencil to create lighter values. Good effort still Anon

>>4567997
Did i mess up the anatomy?
The butt is meant to be flat so i didn't really curve it near the top. Also the left arm is lifted higher than the other so it looks shorter.

>>4568050
meh no this will not work very well I don;t think so

How do I draw boxes even

>>4568022
No it just lacks form, you’re not using line weight to indicate the form of the body. Also the scapula looks very generic, good animu anatomy is still based in real human anatomy.
If you want to up you game you should do gesture.

>>4567426
Anybody?

>>4568065
Ok I'll try to put line weight and work on the scapula from now on.
Thanks.
Also didn't my drawing have gesture already?

>>4567517
Trying the same method with a cartoon character.

>>4568082
No it’s stiff.

>>4567573
Definitely an improvement bro

>>4567612
To have fun and improve because drawing is only my hobby.

>>4567949
Why do you keep drawing Quasimodo?

>>4568120
Cutest girl posted in /beg/ so far. Good job

>>4568120
flip your canvas

>>4567949
you’re taking the “eyes should be one eye space apart” a bit too literally. there are people that do look like that but it’s not ideal if you’re just trying to map out and study a normal face. the eyes should be slightly closer together and smaller.

>>4568123
I dont see what I'm missing

>>4568137
shades

>>4568101
They just came out this way.

>>4568090
Thanks man. After posting it I noticed some problems with the nose-eyebrows junction and the ear still looks flat.

Any advice? Do you think it's because of missing shading?

I'm gonna keep on trucking with Loomis and Proko, while doing Keys to drawing on the side. I wanna nail the head before moving on to the body.

>>4567426
I remember an anon saying da vinci method was to think of each muscle as puzzle pieces and connect them together, i don't think there is other form to learn other than to know where it goes and how it affects the body.

>>4567097
>>4567217
No gesture, looks stiff and boring.

>>4567637
I don't understand how people can get worse instead of better...

>>4568128
Thank you, i guess you right. It just that with exagerrated features i can better understand how face constructed.

>>4568163
That's kinda what the Loomis method is, just drawing a mannequin and then drawing the pieces on top of it.

>>4567783
Drawing is like anything in life. You just have to force yourself to keep doing it even though you'll embarrass yourself and look like an idiot and you'll toil for hours and hours on end while watching tons of other people blow right past you effortlessly. It's just how life works. Make your own assessment if you think it's worth the time investment. But you can't let the crabs make the decision for you.

>>4567637
>I haven't improved in a year.
what kind of studies do you do? are you reading any books?

>>4567793
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXsQAXx_ao0

GOD EVERYTHING I TRY LOOK LIKE FLATTENED SHIT

>>4568342
Imagine you are a sculptor while drawing, draw a box and start carving pieces out of it.

>>4567637
Not /beg/

>>4568342
try feeling the form

>>4568346
That's what i'm doing but i can't even get the shapes of boxes right

>>4568350
Trace first then try again

>>4568342
the process to stop symbol drawing is difficult. you should start with drawing things you have a solid 3d model of in your head. and draw that thing over and over again. for me it was penises.

>>4568354
kek

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>>4567951
how long you been drawing for again? I need to get on a grind like you. I technically started 5 months ago, been trash just copying shit

>>4568354
>physically incapable of imagining
Am I ngmi?

I was told that I really need to work on anatomy and perspective, also basics in general. Are sketches like these (drawn from a reference) a good way to practice? How do they look?

>>4567203
tried touching up. botched it all. i'd put him in a hat if i could draw hats

>>4567951
Yeah, how long have you been drawing and what has been your learning/practice methods so far?

I can't draw besides using the upside down technique. How do I get better at construction?

>>4568350
go do draw a box from lesson 1

Fucking trees man. How do they work?

>>4568475
>>4568252
I've been drawing for 2 and a half years.
I've read fun with a pencil, figure drawing design and invention, figure drawing for all it's worth.
Most of the time I'm just drawing random pictures and figure drawing.
I'm really slow and just want to stop being a beginner already.

>>4568500
I'm just a shitter but my personal advice would be to stop drawing clothes and stop focusing on anime heads. Start reading a figure drawing book and doing the studies/lessons from the book.

>>4568351

But tracing is a warcrime according to le reddit

>>4568354

But i have no imagination

>>4568512
I did study the stuff in the book, I tried to make sure I learnt what they taught.

new

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>>4568521
Dumbass

Show me your gesture figures.

>>4566466
Wrong guy, drugs and alcohol are cancer