/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4541056
(You), I believe in (You).

algenpfleger

>>4541061
When did he start? Any progress pics?

>>4541061
That's unironically hard work, the guy clearly has no talent.

Me next year

>>4541080
elaborate

>>4541080
>the guy clearly has no talent
Post your portfolio.

>>4541056
pretty women thread?

>>4541056
Sycra

>>4541056
study brain mechanism and set a goal and study elements you need

this is only decent way to make it as far as i know

>>4541056
- discipline
- effort
- time spent
- PERFECT practice and learning resource for you
- good mental and motivation

yea that's about it

>>4541080
>goes from trash to pro in a single year
>no talent
I've seen people who bust their ass off working all day for months or years and they never have his progress.

>>4541056
There's that Anon who went from zero to Bbcchan level in 3 months. Oops wrong timeline.
>>4541067
Algen is a special case, he was already painting but frustrated for not being able to draw well. He already had good habits from painting but showed a dedication similar to bodybuilders once he began drawing everyday, gained tendinitis on top of his gains, had to change his whole process. His whole portfolio is available, I'll post it if I can find it back, should still be in the artbook thread. Contains hundred of self portraits. Pure autism, admirable spirit, great gains, tendinitis, this sums up Algen.

>>4541056
Jim Lee's drawings from his adolescence were not very impressive.

After he got his psychology degree, he spent a year drawing every single day and rapidly became a respected comic artist.

>>4541341
This is from '88

>>4541282
He didn't go pro in 1 year, more like 3. And if his carpel tunnel stories are true, you dont know anyone who busted their ass like he did.

>>4541056
This is the best example of it i've ever been able to find

>>4541360
thats not impressive even for 3 years

>>4541374
Really? So you've made better progress within that timespan then?

>>4541360
Does graphic shit even count? It's not real drawing/painting.

>>4541056
everyone that worked 10h+ on CA seriously for more than a year went from /beg/ to working in the industry

you can also take a look at artposse forums, there's a couple of people with sketchbooks there who went from /beg/ to pro

>>4541380
I have funnily enough.

>>4541388
Let's see it then.

>>4541388

>>4541080
this, he worked his ass off (you're meant to hide the hard work)

>>4541385
CA?

>>4541390
>>4541380
Don't reply. He's coping and won't post his work cause he's a perma /beg/.

>>4541138
Cope

>>4541138
Also forgot to add
- ignore loomis and do Bridgman instead

>>4541374
>>4541381
The cope of these two crabs in their 20s or 30s starting to draw. Fucking hilarious

>>4541515
I teach drawing.

>>4541524
In a public school? Makes sense. Those who can't do, teach.

>>4541527
Kek

>>4541309
>zero to Bbcchan level in 3 months
Where is that guy. Didn't he give up after two days.

>>4541527
Yup. I literally get paid to draw, and teach it to retards.

I'm a decent draftsman. I graduated cum laude from university, and I put good effort into my studies.

>>4541385
Soul to soulless

>>4541412
>CA?
Coping Artists. It was a forum where people used to gather and cope, now all we have left is /ic/. More seriously, the now defunct conceptart.org used to be a great place (or so they say) but it was years ago and now you're left with us crabs. Hope you like being pinched by /beg/ like me.

>>4541374
Post your portfolio.

>>4541089
Based

>>4541101
No

>>4542544
gay

I'm going to say something which I'm not sure is controversial or not in the art world; In my experience, art is similar to lifting in that the average person should be able to see rapid progress in the first couple weeks or so, provided he's following the proper basic approaches. Artistic talent probably exists, just as genetics exist for weightlifters, but tell any gym-goer that you've been hitting the gym 5 days a week for three weeks and have not been seeing any progress, and he'll look at you like "dude that's literally impossible" DESPITE the fact that everyone acknowledges that genetics, good and bad, exist in very wide varieties. And to me, personally, I think the same goes for the art world - If you're not seeing rapid progress in your first few weeks, you're doing something very, very fundamentally wrong.

Attached is a personal example of me painting the same model three times in a single sitting. I repeat, I didn't get up from my seat a single time throughout the three iterations of the painting - it was very quick, yet look at the progress. I don't think I'm very talented, I just think I was approaching it the right way and learning quickly - as any beginner should, just like in lifting.

>>4542673
Nobody wants to hear that art is similar to exercise, even though it's true.

The work is going to make them very butthurt.

>>4542673
thanks for this good post fampai

unironically asukaposter. when he was really going hard and posting a lot (maybe three months ago?) i was impressed, drew a lot of the same subject matter and the quality spiked drastically up and down but he made a huge jump in a short time. recent stuff ive seen is pretty bad though, he must have run out of steam from doing so much so fast.

>>4541578
why is it every time this image is posted someone has to be a fucking retard and pretend being incapable of drawing a pencil sharpener or water bottle or hand is more impressive than industry standard, professional level stuff

Tehmeh

>>4541089
show progress

>>4542703
But what about the boomers who go to the gym for years and still look they don’t lift?

>>4544169
Exercising once a week and not changing your diet won't get you shredded.

>>4541360
>nice and all underwater digital art
>notice mandatory pantyshot
>the work is ruined
Can animeniggers resist their horniness and lust for schoolgirls at least for a second?

>>4544178
>he says after his eyes instantly looked for and locked on the panties

>>4542986
>industry standard
Exactly. If these two words don't spell soulless to you, you are hopeless.

>>4544178
Post your work crab. We all want to have a laugh at your 30s studies lmao

>>4544220
Post your cock.

>>4544193
good luck at the pumps

>>4544220
He didn't say the dude was a bad artist, but japanese art is always the same hentai shit

>>4541385
All this tells me is “Learn Digital Art; it’s the easy way.”

>>4544178
honestly, I don't really think pantyshots are that detrimental to the artistic value. Especially in that pic where it'd be compositionally more boring to not have it.
And I'm saying this as someone who normally doesn't even like lewd OR girls.

>>4541360
i did some research and he attributed his improvement to manga materials and this japanese background drawing guide you can buy on amazon. Does anyone know if this has been translated?

>>4541101
>>4541056
why can't i have a gf like this bros?

>>4544503
CA was focused on industry art, so it's mostly about draftsmanship and technical skill. digital is also much more convenient to use, especially when clients want you to adjust shit. it's possible to do it the traditional way, but takes way longer and is much more expensive.

if you're interested in galleries, or other kinds of art then above doesn't really help you. /ic/ won't either

>>4545807
Because you haven't made it yet.

>>4545840
I'm actually Ruan Jia.

>>4541056
yes, talent is very real. some ppl find success while others work their assess off for years and see little-no fruit from their labor

anyone who denies talent is retarded

they say that we aren't cut from the same cloth for a reason

>>4545804
Do you have a link to where he said that?

>>4545807
You totally can. Believe in yourself

What could I draw now that would be a good candidate for redrawing down the line when I git gud?

>>4545853
This says 1 year and 3 months btw.

>>4545804
fug nobody sells it here.

>>4545804
>>4547858
ISBN-10: 4797391502
if anyone cares. I just ordered it over ebay
>implying a book will make me good and not me just sitting down and fucking draw

stop posting people with decent beg stuff. op said from zero, no one has posted someone that was actually a zero.

>>4547900
this

>>4547900
>>4548248
>t. uber /beg/s
Get some standards. will you?

>>4548432
Post your portfolio.

>>4541546
yea you sound like such a credible person who I can trust :)

>>4547900
What do you count as zero?

>>4545975
this article: https://grapee.jp/en/136797

could be bullshit it doesnt cite anything but that's what i found

>>4541056
Me.

>>4548800
post your progress

>>4548819
I couldn't even draw a good looking stick figure a couple months ago. Literally 0 skills.

>>4548834
How many hours?

>>4548848
Not sure, I was doing at least 5 hours a day when I started learning but I'm getting lazy and it's dropped down to about 1 hour a day recently. I've been grinding heads the last week or so.

>>4548848
I guess like maybe 200 hours so far? Just an estimate.

>>4547900
everybody draws the same “from zero” so wtf ghe point. wobbly lines and malproportioned faces.

>>4542673
I agree with this. I'm a very fast learner in other areas (polyglot, full-time programmer in multiple languages, etc) and I can relate to this post.

I've been reading Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, and also doing CtrlPaint, and I'm somewhat impressed by how good my first few drawings are. I've been critiquing my own work, although what I notice now is I lack the physical coordination for the details (pencil confidence/technique, if I put it to words). In one sitting I'm able to see what I did wrong, improve on it, give things some practice, and I instantly see results.

One thing I'm doing as a beginner is writing down what I notice, both good and bad. I think I lack the eye to notice things because I don't know what to look for in my own drawings, but that's definitely my #1 priority in all this learning. Just learning the techniques and looking at things super objectively.

>>4547900
jonathan hardesty in the pic I posted is absolute zero, literally first drawing he drew at age 26 or something.

>>4548852
This is good. I think you should try more difficult faces or poses. Or ones with expressions. Maybe do the same face, turned at different angles.

Middle left girl seems to have a disproportionate left side where her eye is missing. Her would-be jaw seems too thick.

Middle left guy's neck is definitely broken, since an entire half of the underside of his jaw is portruding.

>>4542673
I agree with your post, but I think the example you posted is deceiving. What I see in your example is you progressively spent more time on each iteration, or used previous one as a base.

Maybe the first two were roughly the same time, but the 3rd one was definitely longer since there's plenty of details the other two don't have. Unless you're saying you got faster with drawing, you simply spent more time on the last one.

as a /beg/, if I use sight-size, spend a lot of time copying something it will come out looking pretty good(for my skill at least), I will notice mistakes, improve, do better next time. but the major thing that differentiates how something looks in the end is how much attention and time I spent on it.

don't end up fooling yourself, because you might end up creating unrealistic expectations of your work. progress really isn't measurable from drawing to drawing. it's why i fucking hate /beg/ where everyone just posts one thing and asks for help. you can only gauge progress and someone's skill when they show you a gallery of work.

>>4542673
I can only pray that you're wrong, and that drawing does not work like any other skill. If you're right, then I'm doing something very fundamentally wrong, and I'll probably never be able to identify what that something is, so I'll be stuck spinning my wheels forever.

>>4544169
They’re the equivalent of the dudes who only doodle for a couple hours a week at most and never get out of their comfort zone

>>4550605
It's hard to get out of your comfort zone. I identify.

>>4547900
not all zeroes are the same
just like how not all infinities are the same

I'm just starting out after 28yo. All the things you guys said about having to have talent makes me nervous. I've been drawing a couple of years in my childhood but I never go through with really learn to draw till now. Attached is my last drawing maybe 14 years ago when I was in 9th grade.
My question is how would we know if we had talent or not?

>>4541056
@xenophoss on twitter
in just 4 years

>>4541056
i used to think i was talented at drawing but during highschool i met someone who draws much better than me and much less than me (as in zero) and i became both humbled and infatuated

>>4542673
I haven't seen any progress in 4 months even when I do something supposedly simple as drawing Loomis heads. And yes, you absolutely do have talent if you did this in one sitting.

>>4552163
I think for most people who started young it's too hard to tell, because at that age you learn so quickly regardless.

>>4552223
At that time I didn't learn to draw using any methods, I just blindly draw by looking at manga xD.
In my case I guess I just want to know if there is a solid way to test if someone do have drawing talent.
Btw, I often looking at dirt on the wall, on the ground, clouds, or some randomly abstract pattern and after a while I can kind of imagine a drawing (?) that makes sense using the random lines/shapes in them. Is that counted as talent too? Or it's totally normal?
Sorry for my bad English, I'm not a native speaker.

>>4552163
This place killed my love for art years ago. Don't let a bunch of miserable crabs drag you down or you'll become one of them

>>4541056
Dla Ciebie założę kanał na Youtube i nie wiem co dalej ale już mam dwa filmy

>>4552243
I don't really believe in "talent" as one particular thing, it's more like a set of traits that someone has that make them naturally inclined to be an artist, and those could be different depending on the person and the type of art they do.

But that said, having a strong/vivid imagination is a pretty good indicator.

Probably close to 4 months of progress now. Right is still WIP and I have colors but didnt want to include them for comparisons sake.

>>4552163
Don't give up anon, all the crabs yelling "talent" are just looking up excuses not to draw. The past it's the past and you can't change it, focus on the future and start drawing from now.

>>4541056

>>4541056
me skethchbook sdeus senpai

>>4554419
hours per day?

>>4555208
about 3.5

>>4555329
>hours
thanks, senpai
From now on I shall make this my average.

>>4547900
posted this in the last thread

>>4556843
lol that has to be bullshit

>>4556849
its not though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3Zq1p0nsUM

>>4555840
One finished piece a day is all you need.

>>4558268
TALENT ISN'T REAL THEY SAY

>>4558732
and yet here you are posting on 4chan instead of drawing hmm

>>4542673
>art is similar to lifting
As someone who does both, this is the wrongest take you could have come up with
First lifting is very linear, you do the generic workout and you see progress then you do harder rep and more progress.., second there's consistent methods to improve just do X and Y for Z number of time and you're done, third it's unrelated to your brain capacity
meanwhile getting good at painting and drawing is all the opposite: There isn't a single person who has the same path as another, some claim that you should learn by copying, master studies, some by imaginations, some by both etc.
and the most important, getting good at this field requiers mental capacity investment, you need to understand things, learn things and apply them. if you're a low iq fag with bad memory for that huge chunk of fundies, shit at understanding concepts and have bad 3d perception skills you will hardly do anything better than photocopies
the only correlation between both of those field is that you have to put in the work

>>4552163
I started at 31. Just go for it.
>My question is how would we know if we had talent or not?
Assume you have it and stop worrying about it, otherwise you become /ic/ and never truly try and wonder why you haven't improved in 10 years

>>4558740
It's okay. Just draw. You will get their 2 year results in 280 years

>>4559291
[citation needed]

you don't draw at all so why should i take your opinion