/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4558168
Some ground rules to start this thread and the next /beg/ threads off:

>if you are /beg/
Don't ever give advice.
You can relate and share your hardships with other /beg/s, but never give them advice.
If you MUST give advice, start the reply off with "I'm beg, but what worked for me is..."

>Before you post your work
1. Every person giving advice here expects for you to have at least read some of the sticky, and that you already know what you should be doing to improve.
In that light, replies such as "grind more fundamentals" are perfectly viable advice.
We expect you to know what the general fundamentals are (gesture, anatomy, perspective, drapery, etc.), and we expect you to know where you can find resources to practice these subjects.
Sometimes literally the only good advice to give is to practice more and improve you technique.

2. DO NOT post your 5 minute sketches that you didn't put much thought into. If you do post them then make sure to ask for SPECIFIC advice on a specific subject.
If you post a doodle and ask "where did i go wrong" or "how should I continue from here", expect to get meme replies such as "Loomis".

Follow these simple rules and the generals will become much more productive for both the /beg/s and the people giving advice

Threadly ref

Your art will look like this if you ignore the fundies

>RESOURCES
Thread for reference photos:
>>4491852

Artbook thread:
>>4532724

Video Course thread:
>>4480117

First day into art? Here's a thread for you
>>1579290

Too good for a /beg/ and not good enough to be an /adv/ check out the intermediate thread:
>>4551064

proko tut

What are some other exercises book for beginners besides Keys to Drawing? Drawing on the right side of the brain had too much mumble jumble

I still cant get over the fact that if i started as a kid i would actually be good. im envious of those that started young.

>>4558193
Van Gogh went from /beg/ to pro level in just two years at the age of 27. Stop being a baby.

>>4558196
and he killed himself before becoming famous

>>4558197
doesnt matter, still made it

>>4558163
You damn right I have no idea what Loomis is, I started Drawing heads and hands last week and switched to Drawing on the right side of the brain because I thought it was too advanced.

>>4558175
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO MY HECKING FEEEEELERINOS, YOU CAN'T DO THIS, IM REPORTING YOU WITH THE TRANNY DISCORD !!!!1

>>4558197
If you're into art for fame you're in the wrong bud

>>4558208
im not in it for fame im only in it to feel good about myself but it only ends up it self hatred

>girl asks me what I do during quarantine
>tell her I draw all day
>wow show me your drawings!
>realize I've only drawn naked girls
should have kept my mouth shut

>>4558220
>grab naked girl
>draw her clothing
>???
>profit

>>4558224
I always finish my drawings so this is not an option

>>4558196
He never made it and his art is int tier at best

>>4558226
Digitally or traditionally?
Do you have a tablet?

@ZanmillerART on Instagram likes underaged girls

>>4558226
As long as it's not degenerate anime art then im sure she'd appreciate the skill in highly detailed renderings of naked women.
>>4558232
Need better quality bait.

>>4558238
same

>>4558238
have you even seen work by @guillermolorcagarcia

Help. I'm trying to learn painting. Any resources or courses that helped you out the most with observational painting?

>>4558275
Both of these took me an hour each.

>>4558238
Me too.

>>4558276
This one is a huge improvement anon

You like it?
>Captcha is 3 Palm Trees
I know I know

>>4558307
Way better

>>4558312
I just realized I still wrote the "t" in Astra, it was supposed to be that star kek

When analyzing how good someone is at drawing, shouldn't we be taking into account how long it took to make the drawing? and how they did it? If you put enough hours into a drawing I think almost anyone can come up with something that looks good, by using perspective grids very carefully etc.

Whereas if someone else can do the same drawing in minutes without even sketching, obviously that guy is much better.

>>4558318
That's what I say, a year ago I used to spend up to 8 days on a drawing regularly.
Even now I'll spend a week sometimes. Time is a hack, but for the time invested an actual pro would laugh at it

>>4558318
thats right, its still /beg/ if it took a long time

>>4558318
There's also the fact of how much they relied on a reference, that one only they will honestly know. There's many ways to use a reference. There's copying sure, and there's also "almost copying", which wouldn't speak too well of their skill.
Then there's also making a frankenstein out of many references by copying parts of them, and the end result would look good but I'm not sure about their skill

So when attempting to draw something, I get overwhelmed by all the details, should I give-myself lesioursly long enough time as I am completely starting art and work in stages?

What I want to draw is too complex(people portraits) and I won't get satisfaction until I've got all the details I think is whole, so I guess my skill(complete starter) is way below my standard

Any approach towards this so it's not self-defeating when I fail, but also helps me build it up to my satisfaction? I do enjoy it but it's so intimidating

what you trying to measure. what skill?

>>4558318
The only thing that matters is if the finished product looks good.

>>4558336
>>4558325
>>4558318

Nope, if it looks good it has skill. Someone who sucks is gonna churn out a shit drawing no matter how much time, or references or how they use the references you give. The final product defines the skill level. If someone is faster than someone else, that is a completely different subject as you can't see speed in the final product itself. Are you trying to get good at drawing or get fast at drawing?

>>4558343
I think you need to study the fundies so that you can appreciate structure and what not over details

>>4558318
>>4558325
>>4558334
>>4558336
>>4558343
>>4558348
>>4558350
>>4558356
>>4558361
I've never seen so many excuses for not actually drawing and feel better about yourselves for not making any progress

>>4558220
ya one time the girl of my dreams shared me this comic and said "when people look at your art" and i felt really happy about my drawings

>>4558336
>There's also the fact of how much they relied on a reference
This too. Reference is another resource that you can use, but it limits you just like having to spend a ton of time in your drawing limits you. If you can produce the same quality work fast and without reference, your skills are higher.

That's why when someone simply posts a drawing here I don't think it says much about their current level as artists, unless they explain how long it took them and whether they used reference or not.

>>4558371
true, but if you are just a hobbyist the end result is all that matter imo.

>>4558371
if that is true then if people at different skill levels can produce the same results then skill doesn't matter

>>4558371
>>4558356
I remembered this and I'm not sure about anything anymore. It looks fantastic despite being from a reference because the artist himself is good.
No matter how much time they spent and how much they look at this little girl, a /beg/ won't produce something this good otherwise they wouldn't be /begs/.
I'd gladly trade away my imagination if I could draw like this from a ref.

Oh well let's forget about this debate

>>4558371
yes but at the same time if someone produced a perfect drawing but used references and took a long time, there really isnt much to critique other than "try to do it faster" and "try to be less reliant on references" so in the end for the purposes of knowing what needs to be improved upon its likely that the artist already knows anyway

Rate my dudes.

>>4558393
Here's ref.

>>4558385
>I'd gladly trade away my imagination if I could draw like this from a ref.

I love this implication that a beg has imagination over someone who knows what they are doing. If you can't realize your imagined ideas into anything good, you didn't have an imagination to begin with. The other funny thing is about your quote, that is kind of what people who are serious about getting better do in the first place, they set their imagination a side in order to learn the fundamentals then come back to it once they have gotten better and can realize their ideas.

>>4558293
Thank you, im so happy to hear that

>>4558393
chin too big, you got tricked by the beard

>>4558398
>I love this implication that a beg has imagination over someone who knows what they are doing.
What he said doesn't imply this.

>>4558403
>I'd gladly trade away my imagination if I could draw like this from a ref.

it sure does buddy

>>4558405
no, buddy.

>>4558398
No no, I was precisely saying that using refs isn't an indicator of low skill, then to prove my point I said that even if someone had 0 ability to construct from imagination but could do fanart like that, it'd be really nice. Imagination is not needed to be considered good.
Neither would time spent, that's just speed.

At the end of the day, the only indicator of skill is.. skill itself, probably fundies. That's the thing we can measure

>>4558409
>>4558410
Thanks for clarifying what you meant to say

This has taken way too long to do. I don't care anymore, but I'm glad it's done.
Now on to grinding hands and everything else for the next week or so.

>>4558179
You hit a nice line between cute and creepy which is exactly what I'm aiming for. I love it. If that's your general style then I'd love to follow you wherever you post.

Rorschach test lol

>>4558402
Shit, you're right. Didn't even notice. Thanks.

Starting drawing a week ago from 0 and have basically just did the first lesson of drawabox and a few videos on construction where it told me to start with basic shapes which I did making this.

Can someone point me in the right direction or tell me to get rid of any bad habits you see before they fuck me over in the long run? I'm not really sure what I'm doing or where I'm supposed to go to improve.

>>4558514
were you trying to do chibi a real human body or jsut making shit up? depending on the case this could be pretty much garbage

>>4558518
She's a fantasy goblin.

>>4558525
so is just made up proportions, aside from the flat clothes,i think you may leave beg and join /ALT/ gen and if anybody tries to tell you ''you are /beg/'' just tell them ''it's my style''.

you maight leave anon, you have been graduated from /beg/

>>4558535
I got promoted to shit poster already? Fuck.

>>4558514
Need more draw a loomis

>>4558514
i like it, this is soulful

>>4558546
Should I drop one of the other drawing resources I'm going through right now or just go through loomis while going through the other things?

>>4558549
Thanks anon!

>This brings us to an extremely important rule: at least half of the time you spend drawing must be devoted to drawing purely for its own sake. Not to learn, not to improve, not to develop your skills, not even to apply what you've already learned. There are no restrictions on medium, no specific techniques you must use, no subject matter you must focus on. Draw the things you'd draw if you were the most skilled artist in the world; draw the things your brain insists you're not ready to tackle just yet.
>If you catch yourself thinking, "oh but I'm having fun just drawing lines and boxes," then you're missing the point.

>draw according to the exercises on the sticky
>things don't go terribly wrong
>draw for the sake of it as the drawabox intro said
>looks like something of primary school
Which should I follow /ic/, the sticky or drawabox

>>4558584
Yeah go through loomis while going through the other things, shouldn't be a huge priority but it should help you

>>4558540
the eyes have different sizes and their angle compared to the face is way more tilted or its maybe just the right eye,clothes are flat as fuck, and the feet doesnt have a thumb so is hard to tell if thats the right or left no to mention that those fingertoes look flat with 0 form and those fingers grabbing the hip looks like its holding a cardboard.

imo the head is way to big and human sized it looks like a common adult head pasted on a small body with big limbs but that could be your style, who am i to tell you what to like.

>>4558587
dont listen to ic, or any other person or thought, just do whatever it takes to make the thing you want to do

wip

what do you think guysss

>>4558343
>>4558361
I think I'll learn fundamentals now, once I have enough momentum to fit it in sort of you know, it was going well but then some issues I'm dealing with kicked in.

>>4558611
>ref
I know I need to learn anatomy, tones, gestures practice and just to put the shapes of lines and general practice too,
but still at this point if there is anything that I can improve unrelated to those I'd like to know what I missed that I shouldn't have considering what I put there

>>4558611
imo you shouldn't try portraits yet, you have a lot to learn of yourself first, just look at the placements of the eyes and how you don't see light and darkness at all

>>4558599
Thanks anon, appreciate the critique. For practice sake, should I try and redraw with everything you said in mind, or do I move on to another piece while trying not to make those mistakes you talked about?

>>4558609
Legs do not fold like that. The closest they get together is about 20 degrees.

>>4558611
>

>>4558635
What is a easier subject to start with?

>>4558611
love it, great forms keep it going anon

>>4558650
Still life.

>>4558609
She doesn't seem to have a waist
Her left foot doesn't make any sense, we should see way more of it.
The lower part of her legs are tiny compared to her thighs.
Her right hand doesn't make sense.

>>4558683
>Her left foot doesn't make any sense, we should see way more of it.
Thats just the ankle thing she's wearing anon, look at the other leg.

>>4558658
Thanks anon, I did enjoy making it and learned a lot about various things just thinking and feeling the need of various concepts - tones, lines etc.

>>4558668
I see thanks, maybe I'll try nature or something

>>4558639
>>4558683
i changed

>>4558609
Right arm is way too short
Her legs need calves
Right shoe sole is bent
Right leg is completly fucked up.. the skeleton won't fit there...

>>4558710
erase everything below her torso and start over, preferably look at a ref to get an idea how the gesture should look.

>Still can't do perspective
>Or convey non flat form
>Or construct heads reliably
I'm already just drawing. I need actual non meme advice since feel the form isn't making the cut. Every learning material is either stupid 1 point perspective or extremely elaborate. How the fuck are you supposed to learn perspective and apply it for shapes that go beyond stupid boxes?

>>4558726
you seem like someone that looks at a page and decides it seems too complicated to try then gives up.

>>4558726
"Learning perspective" is a meme. Honestly just forget about it.

>>4558764
post your perspective

I probably spend to much time on people, so I'm working on this interior

>>4558792
forgot to resize

based LOOMIS dabbing on trannies
is this why trannies hate him so much?

enough spam I think

>>4558799
they hated jesus because he spoke the truth

>>4558773
You post yours. I'm the one who thinks "learning perspective" is a meme so I took my own advice and skipped it, so obviously I don't have any "perspective" to post.

>>4558175
Based ground rules poster
Threads aren't the same without you

>>4558812
so you don't draw anything with perspective? lmao alright thanks for cutting yourself out of the competition pool.

>>4558799
Based

Guys I want a cross with Loomis face on it. Died for these gains

I tried. sort of

does this head make sense anatomically?
please ignore the shitty coloring

>>4558869
his mouth is way too large, it shouldn't go past his nose
the flesh between the mouth and the nose is too pronounced

any advice from a more skilled artist is appreciated. i've been taking drawing seriously since late 2015 and i feel like this is a pathetic place to be, desu. i'm pretty quick at drawing, most things take me an hour max, but that's really my only strong point, i think.

>>4558876
sorry, forgot to resize.

>>4558168
do i have to perfect the head before moving to other parts of the bodies? ive been stuck on the head for a year now. yes im slacking

>>4558881
she needs more hips, not wide enough IMO. eyes feel too big, too. otherwise it looks alright

>>4558893
what do you feel would be an appropriate amount of hip? she's meant to be a petite character. a redline is appreciated if you're willing to put that much work into it. i'll work on the eyes too, thanks.

Do I have to start with perspective and still lifes, or can I start with figure drawing? Gestures, construction and stuff?

This is going to sound like the most basic and loathsome question, but how exactly do you "do fundies"? I need a way to learn how to control lines and shapes as an absolute starter to "fundies" and I only really have experience with playing around in freehand and shading.

>>4558615
I'm beg but I tried drawing Anon's mum from >>4558615 where did I go wrong?
>>4558611
Say hi to your mum for me Anon

>>4558885
Absolutely not.

>>4558875
in the case of the mouth, is it still bad despite the anime styling?
im having difficulty making it look normal while shrinking it in size

>>4559041
Not bad
Pros
Line weight with pen, good job
Her facial proportions looks correct I don't think anything looks off
Cons
Picking what's important, I feel u didn't make good choices picking what's important (drawing all of the lips)
That leads to my second con
Your drawing is uglier than the real life version. It is easier to make someone prettier with a drawing imo and to do that you gotta make the right choices which lines to put down
Only way to get better at that is drawing a lot and looking at drawings

>>4559047
It just looks off, it is non human you can get away with it but it is a human yes? Use a reference of other anime drawing or irl reference

>>4558931
No you can start off with gestures, construction and stuff. But it would be wise not to ignore perspective and still life

>>4559053
I see what you you're saying I don't really like to change features from people and now that you mention it I don't think I have the ability to change what is presented to me. Thanks for the feedback I should look forward into doing this but I'm aiming for realism over anything else

>>4559076
I won't say change. There are features of people's faces that make it them. I didn't study or care enough to look at that lady but one thing that caught me was her eyes. Her eyes should be more focused than her lips. And usually for lips I try not to outline all of it, just the bottom and the top

>>4559055
made a bunch of little adjustments
you think anything looks weird still?

>>4559084
Nope it looks better
Good job

>>4558168
my wife asked me to water paint with her, so heres what I came up with

A study
please ignore the hands, they weren't the focus

>>4559076
>>4559083
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DBgtPrWMaKc
This is the best example of what I'm talking about

>>4559099
ref

>>4559099
>>4559105
There are just small drawing mistakes (like you didn't draw her exactly, even 85% u can get away with but you are about 65%) still good but just train your eye more this just comes from drawing a lot and practise etc.
Good value study tho I feel u got her forms right

>>4559097
Your wife is fucking based if she was ok with that, is she full 1488?

>>4559000
Please respond

>>4559138
You usually "do fundies' by studying form a book. That means reading it and working through all the projects in it, not fucking around and opening it once in a while.

For basic line and shape stuff you can use intro books, Keys to Drawing by Bert Dodson has a bunch of pure basics.

>>4559103
Jesus what a niche reference Anon I totally see what you're saying now, I didn't even think the metal fan in the clip was drawing an old lady with manly features I thought it Johnny Depp in 21 jump street.
But I wanna hear what you'd change? Because as I was drawing Anon's mum I figured that maybe I should thicken her hair a little bit since it looks like she has thinning hair because of the age not trying to be disrespectful but it really crossed my mind

>>4559148
I know this is a cop out answer but the best I can do is try myself and show you but I'm way too tired. But the line weight alone with the pen you did impressed me man and I'm sure you are in the right path. Just keep drawing and I'm sure you will get there. maybe later in the night I'm bored I will try drawing her too with pen like you did.
I just wanted you to think a bit differently and tackle it another way if you drew it again

>>4559157
On the right path**

symbol drawing is a much worse problem than I initially thought, especially drawing faces. it's easy to just memorize a bunch of good ways to draw mouths, noses, eyes and hair and repeat them over and over without ever trying to think about the face/head in 3D. now that I noticed it in my own work, I realize even some good, "advanced" artists do it too.

some reptile studies

>>4559196
Pretty good
Just think more about the construction and form and these will look more solid

>>4559196
>reptiles
anon...

>>4559196
Heres a replies for your reptiles

>>4559196
>reptile
Anon, I don't... I don't think frogs and toads are reptiles....

>>4559204
>>4559219
retard

I'm thinking of updating the look of the main character for my game but I'm not sure if I should stick with the colored one.

>>4559292
let's see the rest of your game. got some in-engine footage? Can i see some design papers? how about gamplay mechanics in action

>>4559204
>>4559219
Is an amphibian a reptile?

>>4559299
is a black person human?

>>4559298
it's an RPGmaker project, but if I update the MC look, I'll have to update the rest of the characters to stay consistent.

>>4559306
well design is up to you but i would recommend drawing large and then scaling your characters down

>>4559299
As far as I know, nope... but then again I'm not a zoologist

Can somebody help out with my perspective?
I understand how it works with boxes but i can't do it with human bodies.
Does this look bad?

>>4559311
because the other characters are more like this.

>>4559352
up to you i cant tell you what to do with your designs. just make sure its cohesive.
personally i find them a bit unoriginal.

>>4558422
Cute boy, what is he saying?

>>4559354
I wish I was wearing a dress

>>4559186
The only people obsessed with trying not to symbol draw are /begs/ and boomers who only do those ugly photorealistic graphite drawings.

>>4558710
Calf should be same width as thigh

>>4559353
For the MC, I try to go with a parody look of a mix of Bolo from Shantae, Simon/Kamina from TTGL and a bit of Luka from MGC.

>>4559200
>>4559215
thanks anons. bugs and simple animals are fun to construct. anything with fur is a nightmare though

>>4559204
>>4559219
>>4559299
but they all look the same...

>>4558609
Yeah I agree with >>4558639 here, your legs are a little fucked, and so is the left foot, but I can tell its more to do with perspective than a glaring anatomical error.

Fix her left foot, and also maybe make her right foot a little larger. And fix the angle of her legs. Aside from those criticisms this is pretty good, definitely above beg, maybe even /INT/ if this is just a hiccup and not a recurring problem with all your art.

>>4558710
Didn't change much. Just redo her legs and look at reference.

>>4559084
Defi looks better but mouth is still a liiittle too long, shorten it a tad bit.

My first try with pixelart

>>4559463
dog paw hands

>>4559467
Hehe i couldn't figure out how to make pixeleted hands

>>4559463
did you used that Zun maid as ref

>>4559351
learn anatomy then you will understand

>>4559463
Cute!

>>4559487
Nope
I used dana from va11hala
And that girl from life is strange

>>4559496
He was giving you shit.

>>4559351
learn about all the bones and muscles in the human body and then we can talk

>>4559487
Nope i used dana from va11halla and cleo from life is strange

>>4558168

Cooming

tonights attempts

>>4559352
Does the MC gets pegged?

>>4559553
Nice

>>4559534
I really like that kanamori

>>4559570
<3

>>4559574
ty, most enjoyment i've gotten out of an anime in loong time.

>>4559566
The MC gets raped by Dark Elf Futas.

>>4558182
I find that hard to believe

Reposting this from the other beg thread cause I didn't see this one.

Could anyone recommend some digital painting or color/value tutorials for an absolute beg? Preferably youtube tutorials. I know I shouldn't be polishing turds but I feel like working with something besides line art will help me understand volume better and I'm tired of having nothing I can call "finished" work.

Someone critique my garbage please

>>4558168
Ahahaha oh no I never thought I'd be picked for /beg/ OP. Didn't think it was THAT bad.

could somebody critique?
>>4559614

>>4559730
really good

i think the hand on the left could use some work or maybe a slight diff angle so it translates better. also if it were me i'd bend the bottom right corner of the eye patch to imply the form of a nose

>>4559354
>fuck

If I change my art to the 'new' drawing, I'll have to do it for every characters too and adapt them. While if I stick to the old drawing I might be able to stay more consistent with the 'simpler' style.

What is this technique called? And how do you realistically recreate it without wanting to kill yourself?

>>4559733
Wait, is that what it is? I thought it was for pretty good /beg/ art. Mine was the last one too, oh nooooo

>>4559157
Well Anon I didn't wanted to draw the other Anon's mum again because I wanted to move on so I tried something different and you were absolutely right, to be honest I never gave it much thought about putting more emphasis on "right" features. Thanks Anon your critique is the best I've gotten in months browsing /ic/

>>4559896
That's some nice improvement from just one critique, good job anon

Still not finished but I like the look of this cropped frame.
Also
>Trying to find the perfect composition moving stuff for an hour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCy-OjscGGg
UUUUUUUUUOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>4560066
What glasshead can do with icecream?

>>4560070
Gotta wait for the movie to find out

>>4559186
depends on what your goal is. if you don't want to be 100% photorealistic, it's a very important problem, otherwise it doesn't really matter after a certain threshold is surpassed. Monalisa has symbol eyes under the standards of some anons here

>>4560107
>if you don't want to be 100% photorealistic,
nothing to do with it.
> Monalisa has symbol eyes under the standards
symbols is not some standard. and she does not

More body exercises and Xa studies.

do not liked doing this one,
lighting do not helps

How to draw fucking hair and beard guys? I just dont get it.

>>4560126
>do not liked doing this one,
>lighting do not helps

>>4558168
The /ic/ hidden discord link https://discord.gg/B5QXC2s
It has to stay hidden or discord will shut it down. As far as discord knows it's an Australian Roblox themed server.
...

wierd

>>4560126
bretty good aside from his right shoulder

>>4559831
Cross hatching / kakeami

Anyone got that pic that breaks down how you can passively learn skills by focusing on a few

Says shit like 1st master
2nd mastery
etc

how are my boxes

Not sure if this is the place to post but does anyone know of any good resources for 3D character sculpting? I'm an absolute beginner and have no idea on how to start. I've tried making a few but they're always crap

How about this! >>4558307 it only took almost 24 hours but now my movie is ready

>>4560377
>>>/3/

>>4560379
don not like title, looks like placeholder or something maybe make it bigger and somehow different. and vertical lines on the sky face, do not know what they represent but looks sloppy in a bad way

So, obviously there are plenty of issues with this (e.g. the chin is fucked up, bridge of nose, ears are too small, neck is off, lines aren't as smooth as they could be).
But here's my question: is there anything that I'm doing *fundamentally* wrong? Or do I need to just keep practicing and learn construction?

>>4560392
I'm trying to make the lines look like hair from the girl of the ring, but still blending with the sky.
Alright alright let's see what I come up with, another font and shorter perhaps

>>4560394

>>4560423
My first attempt at constructing his head actually had those proportions, but I ended up having to dramatically change it. Pic related is the overlay on the actual ref.

>>4560446
well. ok than I suppose

>>4560379
>>4560392
i agree with the critique but the idea seems really cool, what's going on in the sky, do i want to know?

Question, if I already have experience drawing, should I still read "keys to drawing"?

I made incredibly minor changes because when I drew a box to see if it's in perspective it fits the perspective mostly fine outside of the hair towards the back lacking volume. If there's anymore critiques let me know

>>4560500
Oh forgot to add pic

Welp here’s a start...

how do i know if i am symbol drawing or not?

Alright /beg/, what's the best way to grind fundies?

>>4560530
do not worry much about it for now.

>>4560392
Fellas I don't think I'm doing too good. I just did even more lines for the hair and the title can't stand out no matter what I do, perhaps I need to put bright colors in the entire rectangle.
>>4560467
The sky is supposed to be forming the face of the crazy girl looming over the flying-ship, since she'll be attacking them mid travel later in the movie.
For the record she is a psychic that also controls weather. That's the flying ship they're sailing on.

>>4560533
Just draw! Lol>>4560538

Looks pretty good! hows my anatomy

>>4560573
BUT I'M ALREADY JUST DRAWING

>>4560442
Lovely petals. Very nice.

What do you think, fellow anons?

>>4560581
why small legs

Very boring thread. Just people posting decent work and getting useful critique on it. Where's the shitflinging.

>>4560574
cock needs to be at least 10 times bigger

>>4560587
Go to /int/ for that anon

I'm trying desu...
How do I train my eye and shit?

>>4560583
Ah, shit, I started from the hooves and I guess I hit my stride on proportions later.

>>4560603
These are pretty good anon

>>4560613
Thanks
I heard I draw heads, hands, and feet too small... I don't know how I can catch myself doing that

>>4559196
>>4559292
>>4559528
>>4560502
Not /beg/

>>4560574
Torso should be a little longer, left hand should be bigger considering the foreshortening, right humerus should be longer. Put some more effort in the legs.

>>4560603
how did you get to this level? what practices/books etc

Is it bad to have chicken scrawl in class-style gesture drawing? I find myself drawing over old lines over and over again rather than erasing shit, especially around beginning parts because otherwise I don't get anything jotted down before the next pose.

>>4560581
Some construction and blocking in would really help anon. Seems like you have the common size-detail syndrome, where beginners draw the more detailed parts of the drawing too small and disproportional. Begin your drawing by establishing the total size of the drawing, as in, measure the max width and max height of the horse, and block it inside a box. After that look where the big landmarks should be placed inside this box by comparing with the ref. After you've established the positions of the primary shapes, only then you can go in and add the details.
With this method you will have an easier time properly translating the proportions accurately.

>>4560587
based shitter, it's your job to spice (shit) up these threads.

>>4560603
What type of paper do you use bro

>>4560622
Then where do I belong then?

What's a good tablet for beginners

>tfw you will never get an unironic "not /beg/"

>>4560635
Nothing wrong with it, pros do it too.
Just don't become over reliant on it and always try your best to get the first strokes right, it's better to go very slow and calculated .

>>4560632
I don't know... Just drew from pictures and stuff..
>>4560646
Uhh... it says Strathmore paper on the cover...

>>4560379
YOU! make a blog please im begging you i want to follow you

gonna clean this up later

>>4560675
>Just drew from pictures and stuff..
This is why """"fundies"""" is dogshit scam and talent is all that matters

>>4560653
>4560653
if you don't see yourself drawing for more than 6h a day, any chinkshit for less than 70 buckaroos, otherwise any wacom intuos pro L,M or cintiq if money is not a problem

>>4559831
That may be a screentone. Stores in Japan have lots of unique ones with more variety than we can get in America.

>>4560683
>talent is all that matters
Now, ask yourself honestly Anon. How many "pictures have you drawn from", correctly, and how much time have you spent trying to build shit out of boxes without even knowing what things looked like first?
I'm a strong believer in talent of course, but maybe you'd have better results if you did what that Anon did.

>>4560681
The fuck am I looking at famiglia?

>>4560695
shit

>>4560603
>How do I train my eye and shit
Are these from imagination or reference?
If they're from imagination then you're already better than the whole thread and I don't know why you're asking for advice here.
If they're from reference, they're still pretty darn good and I doubt you need advice on how to "train your eye", you just gotta keep practicing more. Posting the references would help though.

>>4560639
Thanks for the detailed advice, anon. Have a nice weekend.

>>4560683
If fundies mean drawing boxes and all that stuff I did that too...
I'm not really in a position to give any advice, but what helped me out before I drew from real life people was copying other sketches/drawings.. It helped me learn how other people convert 3D structure onto a 2D plane and shit..
>>4560711
Yeah they're from photo reference... I don't know how to catch myself from drawing things wrong though

>>4560687
Not him but if I'm throwing around that kinda of money why not buy one with a screen?

>>4560603
Do you go through any books? Or learn anatomy or anything?

>>4560748
the intuos pro L is like 350 usd and the cheapest with screen is around 600 go with it if money isn't a problem theres no difeerences between sofware and the pen works the same in both the only difference is that with screenless you need to get used to the tablet x your monitor screen ratio while in the other not. although i find more usefull not having my hand obstructing my view

how should I continue from here

>>4560800
based.

>>4560826

>>4560841
>>4560826
these deformed drawing always blow my sides away

>>4560826

>>4560849
Personally I'm really glad to have seen them. I was about to kill myself for the worst people in /beg/ who have only been drawing for two weeks being at the level I hope to be in a year. Now I see that there are still people who are only at the level I hope to be at in a couple months.

>>4560866
>I'm autistic. I am a Self-taught Pencil Artist. My passions are art , traveling around the world, speaking Spanish and Titanic.

>>4560877
>I am a Self-taugh
people think that learning to draw is such feat that saying self-thaught is some kind of veteran badge

>>4560887
generally speaking being self-taught in anything is quite an accomplishment, but I wouldn't say she's exactly well "taught"..

>>4560887
>learning to draw is such feat
It unironically is

>>4560892
only if you actually do it, the thing is saying im self thaught when you just started scribbling is like like saying im a photographer enthusiast when you just takes pictures of your cat or saying im a programer when all you can do is run exes on cmd

>>4560622
I'm definitely /beg/, /v/ constantly say to me to go to /beg/. I'm unable to construct in my head perspective and transfer it to the canvas.

>>4560908
>i'm a self-taught sex haver

>>4560889
happy mask salesman

>>4560934
go to /int/

we all gotta start somewhere

>>4560982
>mad cause he is not the best /beg/

>>4561019
everybody is a /beg/ on /beg/ theres no such thing as tiers.
/beg/ tiers were created by somebody who wanted to feel better about himself

Can anyone rec some tutorials/exercises for lines and shapes? Thanks brothers.

Anyone have any illuminating material on how to render values? I crutch with this vertical line hatch style but I want to know how to capture subtleties.

hopefully this is better

>>4561122
how are your faces almost always a cointoss

>>4561007
Looking pretty great. I haven't looked at my first Stravinsky in a long time but I'm certain that yours is much better than mine.

>>4561122
her face is breaking out of head. mouth on her chin, eyes on the sides of her head. huge space between top lip and nose. her face also has a lumpy unappealing contour.

eyy yo waddup beg

>>4561122
not /beg/

>>4561146
nice fish

>>4561122
her arm looks kinda broken

Sooo a shit ton of errors. Her right leg and arm mostly, i tried to redraw in anyway, but there must be some pregressed error. Anyone is able to point it out?

Cooming

>>4561146
Nice job anon

Also, I'm watching Vilppu's gesture videos and I was wondering if I should try following along? Or would it mess me up more seeing as I'm struggling to follow him with gestures

>>4561202
He even says in the beginning of one of his videos to draw along.
So yes feel the form together with vilppu.

>>4561216
Thanks anon, I'm really struggling but I guess no pain no gain

>>4561222
What are you struggling with exactly though?

>>4561227
wrong file

>>4561228
I just suck ass at gestures, I try to follow along Vilppu and understand what he means but I'm just left numbed and confused. I guess I'm lacking anatomical knowledge? Feel the stretch of the spine..and so on and so on

>>4561229
The light coming off the bonfire should be sharper and not muddy like yours. Also remove those ember things floating around, they really distract the eyes from seeing the other details.

>>4560826
If this is supposed to be taylor swift at least you made her recognizable

>>4561193
Tried shading

>>4561239
Id suggest also taking a look at his book if you didnt already.

>>4561271
Do you have a link to it? Or is it in /ic/ starting kit?

>>4561275
>>4560129

argh, was so close with this. fucked up somewhere, gonna have to restart.

>>4558185
>>4561289
Remember: center of the eyes is in the center of the face.

It's your favourite /beg/ back at it again with an other /beg/ artwork.

I spent my whole day drawing from Fun with a Pencil before making this. What do you guys think? Am I /int/ yet?

>>4561305
Self critique time:
Nostril's fucked, should be bigger
Hairline looks weird but that might be due to the lazy hairstyle I chose? Does it look weird to you guys?

>>4560622
but i've only been drawing 5 months

>>4561305

A piece of fanart I've been working on. Open to criticism on how I can make the pose look more natutal.

>>4561305
>>4561334
kek

>>4561334
What could he possibly mean by this?

>>4561340
Get better paper
Use a reference
Loomis
Practice gesture drawing
Practice anatomy

new

>>4561356
>>4561356
>>4561356
>>4561356

>>4561340
many thing that can be criticized here, but I'll just start with a simple one: try to make the hand larger. Observe your own hand, put it on your face and see how it almost covers your entire face. Hands are much bigger than you think.
I would tell you to read the sticky and start learning the fundamentals from 0, but honestly just keep drawing, keep being mindful of your anatomy, always compare with a reference photo.
And always "zoom out" and see if the bigger picture makes sense, instead of getting tunnel-visioned into the small details.

>>4561305
>Am I /int/ yet?
Nah, champ. You're a pro.

>>4561395
I knew I made it, thanks for believing anon.

>>4561354
The lined paper is just my drafting paper. I have a ton of it and I'd rather not waste it so I use it for my sketching. When it's "done" I'll trace it onto something better. And I did use several references.

>>4561365
That's a solid tip. Hands are still a big problem for me so I'll have to keep that in mind.