/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

why is so easy to bait in these threads is it newfags or just retarded people

is it even worth posting here anymore

>ITT

>>4551197
>why is so easy to bait in these threads is it newfags or just retarded people
Most people coming here are lost. Abusing such people is downright malicious
>is it even worth posting here anymore
No. /alt/ is much better

>>4551197
>anime study general
It's the latter

>>4551226
but alt is western piggu central, i want to draw anime based on my japanese overlords art. but this gen is nothing but toddlers that can't ignore baits, making 90% of the post here nothing useless posts

>>4551301
This is why people laught at weebs trying to do anime, unlike JAPANESECHAAAADS!!!1 who never post their beg works and only post when they start getting gud.

>>4551301
why are your colors always so muddy and bland?? also her face is fucked up

does anyone know what book the man in this youtube video used to learn these character construction methods?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzlYmpziED0

>>4551377
>learn these character construction methods

> he thinks construction mannequins are gonna improve his work

>>4551377
There is no such book. He came up with it on his own.

pin2d or huston for construction?

>>4551446
Doesnt matter, the sooner you can understand the methods the sooner you can start copy grinding.

>>4551301
weird face

>>4551446
prookis

>>4551301
constrain the face
>>4551446
flip a coin

>>4551301
fuck i told myself i wouldn't redline your shit ever again because it seems that you are retarded, but damn your autism is too strong and nobody seems to care.

your face is the worst ofender, your anatomy is not any good either, but the head.. she looks like she has a huge cranium like damn literally a box could have helped you with this shit, so i don't know how did you came to the conclusion that that head was a-ok, loomis and any other ''how to draw'' book has this shit like: 1/2 of the head vertically is where the eyes are placed, not a golden rule but in most cases is close and it doesn't vary by much but yours is out of the charts, another possibilty is that you tried drawing a really puffy? hair but it backfired horribly, in both cases the main problem is obvious, you can't think in 3D specially those sticker eyes which are in a view from below but your head looks like is almost in a front view and that fucking jaw... but you really don't know how to 3D and the reason is because you don't know what the fuck are you drawing, all you have are symbols or barely any concrete idea, theres a big difference between drawing what you know and what you think it looks like, you should have known the the skull was way too large, the nose and eyes are in totally different angles and that neck, you know the traps are attached behind the neck in the bottom of the cranium right, see thats what i mean.
A tip in hair volumes, and take this as you will because i have never studied hair but if the volume is high the hair has less room to be uh.. free so usually bangs are more dense instead of being separed in thinner hanks and the whole shape is more like mushroom becase of the volume, if you only add volume at the top and the sides are thinner it looks like she had extra brains.


tdlr: you either are too lazy to actually put effort into learning your fundies or just retarded.

yikes!

>>4551852
as I said, I’m trying to copy Lack’s style
so how would the skull look in this case? The eyes clearly don't look in the middle of the head.
I use eye measurement in the middle of my head when doing real model studies but how would you approach pic related?

>>4551879
Another example

>>4551852
as I said, I’m trying to copy Lack’s style
so how would the skull look in this case? The eyes clearly don't look in the middle of the head.
I use eye measurement in the middle of the head when doing real model studies but how would you approach pic related?

>>4551882
>>4551883
alrrady on my bed, i will try it tomorrow but some artist do have more stylized heads some are biggers but not like yours not even close , and is about the hair rather than the skull size in that guys style i will do it tomorrow


pic of that dudes work, not even close at what did u drew is more about the hair.

>>4551904
I took the thickness of the hair into account when I was doing the sketch, but I believe that Lack's work, even with the thickness of the hair, the eyes still wouldn't be in the middle of the face and I tried to emulate it in his style.
so I will wait to see your approach tomorrow.

And don’t get me wrong, I don’t want to disagree or to appear hostile, you can be sure I’m analyzing every word in your post and I saved the image.

For you to see that I’m trying to improve on this I’m watching the Watts Atelier course about heads and studying through hitokaku site heads in box, so I'm familiar with the measurements of a realistic portrait (3 equal parts, eyes in the middle), but in that drawing my main objective was to apply the Lack'style he uses in his Jeannes.

>>4551446
huston 100%

>>4551852
>she looks like she has a huge cranium
And there is nothing wrong with that.

How many hundreds of hours does it take before my art becomes something other than repulsive to look at?

Are these threads worthy of my time and post or no?

>>4551180
Why did you remove the discord link

>>4552213
Discord is for kids.

>>4552205
If you mean sometimes drawing things you don't completely hate, it took me around 100 hours in the short amount of time (in around 2 weeks).

>>4552215
That doesn't answer my question

>>4552254
>at around 200 hours
>still not there yet
haha...

>>4552268
Maybe you are just missing the knowledge.
I've spent 300+ hours just reading before that.

>>4552274
>>4552254
Good bait mate.

>>4552213
I didn't, I just copied the previous thread's OP

>>4551180
Does anyone here still have the link to that zip of a shit ton of anime faces that an anon was kind enough to share? I'm fucking better a gesture drawing than I am at making a face that doesn't look like a 10 year old's attempt, and I've been through Loomis and can do construction, that's not the issue.

The issue is I cannot get expressions right. I need an easy source to just attempt to copy expressions, figure out what makes them look good and what makes them look bad. Thanks to anyone if they share the resource.

>>4552205
I'm at about 1k hours, still repulsive. Well my studies aren't repulsive anymore like they used to be, most things from imagination are though.

>>4551852
Its the only way to get a redline being insufferable? I would like to get in depth critique like the ones you do but I always just get ignored.

>>4552974
Why are you calling Jeanne d'Anon insufferable?? He's always extremely pleasant.

I'm trying to apply loomis figure construction to anime characters but the proportions are waaaay off. should I copy more?

>>4551852
>i told myself i wouldn't redline your shit ever again
and you are correct, please don't ever redline ever again.

>>4552989
Proportion and construction are just half of what you need. You need to be able to get good at gesture drawing, which means yes, looking at poses, breaking them down, and copying them from the ground up.

This is the grind.

>>4552989
One thing I enjoy doing is taking photo refs of real people and trying to draw the bodies with more stylized anime proportions.

>>4552989
>>4553032
Just use anime to get better at anime.

>>4553038
This is the worst advice you could possibly give.

>learning how to stylize something without having a deep understanding and expertise of what you're actually trying to stylize

>>4552989
Do not do what that guy says or you'll end up like him that can only draw the same exact figure over and over again.

>>4553023
>>4553032
I'll try doing that
>>4553038
>>4553056
As I said, I was following Loomis' FWAP but he doesn't give much insight on proportions etc. I download Bammes, a book about actual anatomy, but I think it's a level beyond me.

>>4553056
Use an anatomy book with anime, and all artists use one figure, it's called habits and some can control their figure better than others.

>>4553071
I've never used proportions myself, what I assumed would be my brain doing the proportions for me and it did.

>>4552900
Pretty sure you're after this https://mega.nz/folder/VlRxBKTS#SZSzygM-PGOcc6nKrOHjSQ
It's a godsend

>>4553096
Thanks!

>>4553056
>without having a deep understanding and expertise of what you're actually trying to stylize
I mean this in the nicest, most genuine way possible. How do you measure when you have a deep understanding and expertise of the real human figure? Should you be able to draw a realistic human from imagination from any angle? Only some angles? Do you just have to be able to do perfect copies when drawing from life? How do I know when I've completed that stage and am ready to learn stylization?

>>4553110
When you're able to draw stuff that you feel looks good to you. There is no rule for this. If you have trouble with stylization of some aspect, chances are high that you need more practice understanding the real world version of it first.

Which how-to-draw anime book would you guys recommend?

>>4553125
Fucking none of them. A combination of Loomis for understanding basic construction, Drawabox.com for practicing confident strokes and the technical skill needed for drawing, and I personally recommend grabbit Aaron Blaise's Human Anatomy course for $1 at www.creatureartteacher.com .

Do all of this, practice, and then when it's time to draw coom shit, MikeyMegaMega is excellent.

>>4553130
>Drawabox.com

>>4553119
Don't you just love when people trust anonymous /asg/ retardfags, instead of someone who knows their shit. Have you even seen the type of shit that's drawn here? The chances are you're getting tricked by a discord troll is 100%.

>>4553125

>>4553144
>he says as he posts the type of shit he's talking down to

I don't understand why you post those sketches as if they're convincing people that you're a better authority than any other average /beg/

>>4553151
You have a point, my sketches hide my skill very well, at least I'll be wiping my future competition out by tricking them into thinking I'm bad,

I bet grey sketch-kun is black.

>>4553145
blog?

>>4553172
>my sketches hide my skill very well
I see now why people call you copefag.

>>4553196

>>4553145
nice to see inclusivity to special needs people for once

>>4553215
Please understand

>>4551934
like i said is not a golden rule, i should have said eye sockets because if you are not familiar with the eye structure you can take the middle of the eye when a eye is not completely open making it even below the center specially if its already below the center, then again it's not a golden rule but it doesn't vary that much in most cases.

now you need to be carefull when you are copying someone's style since you are not the person itself, so you will have to build a library of his works and analize what are his normal proportions and find a middle ground, because they wont keep always their own proportios 1:1, so you need to find that middle ground as a base.

anyways the face itself has bad proportions like the angles of the eyes/nose and the jaw being a box emphasizing that large head even more, her head plate looks like is pressed agains her forehead making it look like a flat surface, add the hanks partitions? starting too low it gives the impresion that her hairline is way too low, they don't have the form of hanks that start higher making that big head look even bigger, her sides bangs do the same making the problem worse, look at the way he draws hanks of hair they start higher.The one in pink (top) it should be more or less the form of these hanks on that hairstyle, you can feel the form of the hairline where they born and they have a more natural uhh form , the second i did below is what happens when you draw on an already big head hanks of hair way too low and without the form of them starting higher, add making the sides thinner and the top of the head looks larger, this is obvious on how it should be done in MO.


also the nose should be more pointy on its total area if that makes sense, yours look more like a small 3dpd nose pasted on an anime face.

the guy has a lof of heads in that angle and you couldnt check them to make sure yours wasnt bad? seems to me you are just lazy or retarded for not making something as simple a that.

What are you guys's opinion on design doll?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3geD_9Ttm8

>>4553217

>>4552994
says who a NGMI begtard who did a better redline oh way you didnt, you are just another faggot that whines whenever someone replies to another beg like them that their drawing wasn't ''CUUUUTE UwU!!1'' instead it was shitty and need more LOOMIS.

this is why /asg/ became and is shit nowdays back 1 year ago we would say to these obvious begs that they need to grind loomis and gtfo to /beg/ but now we are full of fags that cry if someone doesnt sugarcoat their critiques, the solution say nothing and let the begs post the same shit for weeks and get meme replies that only incite more shitpost.

>>4551301
Just wanted to let you know that I really like your work and your commitment to your waifu, even though the face got messed up here.

>>4553197
I'll be waiting for you to pyw and anyone that thinks I'm bad.

>>4553253
Useless outside of hobby or fetish shit for money. Plastic toys will do the same thing.

>>4553253
opinions on design dolls please?

I'd trust anyone but greyfag

>>4553283
/begs/ placebo

>>4553301
alright.

>>4553225
I see, but I was unironically waiting to see how you would approach the two images that I posted as an example because those are the proportions I want. Lack can make different types of faces so you could easily find one where the eye measurements fit in the middle of the head.
No worries, I'm taking notes about what you're talking.
I agree with what you said about the jaw, nose and hair and I'm dedicating hours right now on that but I still don't see why it is wrong to make the skull huge on a stylized anime head like pic related, if it were a realistic portrait it would be another story.

>>4553263
very kind of you anon, today it’s literally been a year since I bought my cheap $70 tablet to draw my Jeannes, I hope to see them better next year

>>4552550
Then whybdidnt you add it back

>>4553380
>why didn't you add my procrastination cult app to the OP

>>4553374
if you want to make the skull huge do it but if you fuck up other key features it's going to look way too retarded like the jaw and hair and those are basic fundies mistakes that have nothing to do with stylization, but add the the stylized isze of the skull and it takes those simple erros to make it look way too off if not stupid, take raita style with normal neck,hands and feets in some cases, it would look way too akward from what it already is.

>>4553253
Why does this look so wrong if everything is right in the anatomy and perspective?

>>4553253
>dibujando

>>4553125
Hitokaku, its Japanese Loomis.

>>4553439
Pose looks somewhat cool but it's basically nonsense.
She's in the middle of some nonsense motion, if she continues she will fall.
That's why you need your gesture grind.

>>4553439
Because the anatomy and perspective aren't right, and lack of style.

>>4551852
Not that guy but I find myself unable to convey any 3d to my heads. I have tried loomis and hitokaku but ultimately after having a volume I find myself unable to put the features in without being all out of proportion. What can I do?

>>4553469
Still life. Seriously. You can gain a lot from drawing simple still life objects in different angles/perspective.
If you draw from images on your computer, it doesn't really help that much because you cannot infer how the original 3D forms look like (because you don't have that skill yet).
When you draw still life, if you move your head around a bit, your brain can start to develop a 3D sense, like how a 3D form projects into your eye from this or that angle.

>>4553225
also, I'm looking at your image and I'm analyzing the part about the volume of the hair. I understood that the thickness of the hair increases the volume. In your example the hair is without any accessories, but with the head ornament it wouldn't compress the hair like>>4551882 at least the bangs? I know that the sides could have been made with more volume

>>4553262
pyw

>>4553374
For just being a year in you are doing great. Keep it up for sure.

>>4553395
Based

>>4553473
>Still life
So do I need to buy myself a skull?

>>4553497
he said "still" life. a skull is "not anymore" life

any books actually worth "owning", as in a physical version?

>>4553584

>>4553395
That doesnt answer my question.

>>4553584

>>4553961
this gets me every time

>>4553119
>When you're able to draw stuff that you feel looks good to you.
So never...

>>4551180
First time doing this stuff.
Tracing your own sketch is surprisingly hard.

>>4553380
I wasn't aware it ever existed

>>4554093
keep working bro

>>4554093

>>4554093
>>>/b/eg

>>4551180
Tell me /asg/, why is it that you can always - ALWAYS identify a western "anime" artist by the way they draw faces?

It's like they retain too much western/comic influence leading to this distinct "in-between" style that you don't ever see in nip art, even amateur and /beg/ nip art, no matter the style or rendering, ink or color you can almost always tell apart an attempt at anime art drawn by a non-jap vs japanese artist

Subtle things like line sharpness/density, more reduction in features (especially the nose) western artists copying anime seem insistent on portraying the nose more where nips sometimes leave a single line depending on style/perspective. Is it all just the art/style influences picked up subconsciously that get utilized by the brain as reference, hence why there's such a distinct difference?

Just my observation, you can scarcely find examples of western anime art that looks indistinguishable from some nips basic doujin that is clearly manga and not "attempt at manga" if that makes sense. Hell look at that Mark Crilley guy even a professional like him can't make a drawing not look like its an attempt at anime by a westerner vs genuine manga/anime style by some doujinshi or pixiv artist, down to the very linework.

>>4554293
in fact I'd say its in basic simplistic black and white manga style that the differences between the two styles of art are easiest to distinguish, which is why you see few western artists utilizing this style, drawing manga, etc because then they'd probably find they couldn't get it looking like real manga no matter what.

>>4554301

>>4554304

>>4554308

>>4554293
Because you're retarded and either don't know where to look or just haven't bothered exploring
>Mark Crilley
lmao this is your example of a Westerner's attempt at an anime style? fuck off

>>4554308
>>4554304
>>4554301
Are these by westerners? Thas pretty based

>>4554293
For me its the nose, general line thickness, the eyes that makes it more noticeable. Face proportions too.

how do you guys feel about the "painterly" style on anime drawings?
is it too overdone?

>>4551934
What is this from? I couldn't find it in the books

>>4554429
On the bright side, it wows crowds like there’s no tomorrow.
On the down side, the person who made it is probably numb inside and you’ll have to deal with your art friends’ newfound feelings of inadequacy.

>>4554293
you can identify them by shading, rendering, values, color, composition, gesture, anatomy, hands, etc. It's pretty pbvious

>>4554429
that's from a westerner anon

>>4554517
ok, anime style drawings
no one is japanese here

What software do people here use?

>>4554541
Clip Studio Paint.
Now go fucking kill yourself.

>>4554541
mspaint

>>4554533
i am

>>4554576
君はeopです

>>4554578
違う

how do I learn how to draw side view for both genders

>>4554408
this one is by a literal chink manlet
>>4554308

>>4554541
The Apple iPad Pro 12.9 with Procreate is the manga standard.

>>4554658
I heard an argument you shouldn't buy an iPad just for the procreate meme. A cintiq or drawing tablet is more versatile and longer lasting. Procreate was a scheme to push more iPads that have planned obseletiance anyway

>>4554429
I absolutely love this style
>>4554652
Kek that's more charming than humiliating

Are you guys able to tell the difference between Chinese, korean, japanese, vietnamese, Malaysian, Philippine, Singaporean, and other SEA countries, and western born chinese, korean, japanese?

>>4554677
Nah. The only categories I can recognize is "art I think is nice to look at" and "art I think isn't nice to look at".

>>4551446
Who's huston?

>>4554643
Learn to draw a girl then add a dick.

Can someone red line it here please

>>4554859
Please practice figure drawing at line-of-action,com

The proportions are not too bad, but the placing of the shoulders and the hips have an unnatural feel to them.

The spine should flow seamlessly like a smooth s shape

>>4554879
thanks a lot anon.

>>4554879
>>4554859

>>4553253
You don't need it once you can actually draw

>>4554928
nono my character's tits are on the perky side anon.

I'll make an big fat tit character for my VN but later.

Why is naked 3dpd so repulsive? I know I should be using it for anatomy studies and the like but it simply hurts to look at.

>>4554957
Because 3dpd IS just yuck. When you get better you'll realize you don't need 3dpd to learn anatomy.

>>4554925
You are most welcomed

>>4554962
oof that core is delicious, and so are those hips

>>4554965
I truly can't see my errors until someone points them out for some reason, It's been 3 months since I started and haven't done a speed gesture drawing since week 2.

Guess I should set up something like 50 gesture drawings sessions 40 seconds each every week to refine my postures

>>4554293
Because most westerners always think that they know better and want to "improve" the style they are learning with their own tumblr input

>>4555026
Good point, just like how they want to "improve" the anime they watch by changing it to be more inclusive/progressive, less "icky" and "japan", they think they know better - a kind of western arrogance and hypocrisy towards Japan that's sprung up over the past few years really.

>>4554957
2D is clean and flawless

>>4554486
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~zm5s-nkmr/hitoFiles/kaorittai2.html

>>4555099
god I can feel this image

>>4555187
I know what you mean

>>4551852
>>4553225
dunning kruger at its finest. i can tell you got the shit bullied out of you and this is a way for you to feel like a big man lmfao

This "draw from the shoulder/elbow instead of the wrist" stuff is hard. I should also be holding my pencil in a straight grip instead of a reverse one like I'm used to right?

>>4555223
Isn't that only if you draw on a board though? I have a sketch-book, it's impossible to draw from the shoulder

>>4554677
korean has a pretty distinctive style
chinese artists are highly skilled, but they don't do things properly and they tend to look "off"
ive seen a lot of sea artists emulate anime style very well
western born asians tend to have western influences and are usually discernible

>>4555216
It's not dunning kruger, it's just what living in a discord tranny anime study group does to your brain.

>>4555223
I don't think grip matters, just a slong as you're prepared to use that grip for your whole drawing life, but drawing from the elbow is very important.

How badly will lack of sleep ruin my study gains? I don't remember the last time I managed to get a proper nights rest.

>>4551180
How do I study/get good at lineart?

>>4554879
>>4554928

>>4555745
Without gmi anon, this is a general incapable of being useful to anyone, there's no one left that knows a thing. Besides me of course.

>>4555761
Please don't respond to my posts ever again, thank you

>>4555398
Let's see if /asg/ can clock who is the chinese and who is the japanese

>>4555803
who fucking cares, literally does not matter at all and if you think it does then you're retarded

>>4555806
Well the point of /asg/ is to "pass"
I think the Chinese do a good job sometimes, to say they do things "improperly" is kind of insulting. We are all just trying to learn anime style

>>4555811
Some people do the style well, some people don't, regardless of their race. Maybe some races do tend to get it better. But... this is pointless to discuss. Just draw

>>4555803
there are chinese artists that do it well. just like with any other market, the Chink goods can be suspect but sometimes they stand up
if you really want me to try and answer, then 1, 3, 4, 6 chinese.

>>4555803
I don't like any of those, so they are al Chinese in my book!

Only one that feels like some sort of genuine expression is the first one, and 5 also looks comfy, but eh, overall pretty soulless stuff.

>>4555811
>Well the point of /asg/ is to "pass"
Back to >>>/lgbt/

>>4555926
This is a general filled with discord trannies, you can't get rid of them all.

There is no one in this thread more based than grey sketch kun

>>4555970
Except me of course

>>4555970
There is no one in this thread

>>4554723
Steve Huston

>>4555185
Thanks

>>4556005
>greysketch entered the room
>graysketch: hi
>discord tranny left the room
>copyfag left the room
>ngmi left the room
>admin closed the server

>>4553473
would practice from still life still be important for someone with experience and rather solid fundies? because aside from them, i'm wondering if studying actual 3d forms improves your fundamental feeling of form - which then improves the way you draw from imagination (more precise placement and visualization)

>>4556115
Anime > Still life, the forms are clearer for your mind to understand.

So what happened to the anon who drew the Fishine faces?

>>4556143
he got asked to draw something from imagination, the result was a toddler looking scribble then he shat his pants, since then he has never been seen again.

Hello again /asg/, I'm having trouble drawing this kind of perspective. She's supposed to be looking down at the viewer. I'm specifically having trouble with how the visor of the hat should look, and a bit of the hair buns. I'm open to suggestions on how to draw her eyes to look closer to her actual character but that's not a big deal to me, I have yet to re-line it so I can just experiment
>>4554541
I used sai for a while and then moved to csp. csp is pretty worth it

>>4556204
Visor is the width of the head. Right now it looks too small.

>>4556182
>drawing from life is critical to being able to draw the human figure from imagination
>drawing from anime does nothing to help you draw anime from imagination
Do I have this right?

>>4556211
Wow I'm not even trying to observe today, thanks

>>4556212
>drawing from life
said who

>>4556212
Drawing from imagination is critical to draw from imagination, deconstruct anime, then put it together again from memory.

Drawing from anime is how japanese get good.

>>4554658
i have not been able to find any drawings done with procreate that have 'good'/conventional lineart. it's definitely good for sketches though

Copy anime

never drew anime but after watching evangelion i decided to give it a try and went for head study since i enjoyed it and seems quite simple i drew the rest too. i'll take appointments from this thread thanks

>>4555099
I tried bros

>>4556306
>"yes?"
>"he fell for it. he is copying 6 hours a day"
>"excellent. have the sticky deleted and make sure he never discovers vilppu"

>>4556319
do more straight copies before you try to change the angle

>>4556320
Bridgman*

>>4556307
you should try flipping the image lol. not bad for a first try

>>4556329
my preferred method*

>>4556324
You really think he was trying to change the angle and isn't just bad at copying

>>4556307
Maybe you should start with Loomis instead of anime kek

>>4556333
yeah i know it's not great, just wanted to contribute to this thread anyways ty

>>4556370
>Just wanted to contribute to this thread
You are the real MVP. I tried to do this as well a couple of threads but people favor more fueling the delusions of the graysketch tranny

>>4556354
but it's completely different...

>>4556451
I think you're overestimating the average /asg/ poster

>>4556458
is... /asg/ terminally retarded?

>>4556458
>>4556451
>>4556354
>>4556324
>>4556324
>>4556324

>>4556451
Not really

>>4556471
>is /ic/ terminally retarded
What do you think

>>4554293
>>4554301

So I made these observations but does anyone know more, as to why this is, could use some more insight, unless its already been said a thousand times in this general idk

>>4556535
The answer you are looking for is line control. There is a very special kind of line control that is pretty much natural to asians due to the writting system. That kind of line control is usually altogether absent from western artists which use a totally different kind of it or none at all when it comes to amateur artists

>>4556535
Might be because of the actual differences in anatomy of the East vs West. Might be because of the anime style being a huge thing in Japan while being an alternative thing everywhere else. Who knows

hair

>>4556579
nice

I very much regret using such thick lines for my lineart
any suggestions on how to make a thick black outline blend in better with such a style?
>>4556579
very nice. What kind of brush did you use?

>>4555803
1:chink
2:chink
3:nip or a westerner like rosuri
4:nip
5:nip
6:chink

>>4556602
wtf with his jaw and eye

>>4556612
whats wrong with it?

>>4556618

>>4556630
KEK i fucking snorted

>>4556630
i don't fully understand the issue from that picture
here's how i imagined it. Please let me know why its wrong

Rate my catgirl

>>4556639

>>4556602
Anon you're drawing hardcore fish eyes and mouths do not even come close to that unless you're drawing monsters

>>4556644
It looks as if you copied off a model and then slapped on an amawu head. That's not how it works. Loomis/10

>>4556639
you're drawing a flounder and the ear is completely in the wrong place

>>4556651
Well I didn't do that but thanks

>>4556651
>amawu
fuck OFF back to discord tranny

>>4556649
fair point on the mouth
should the right of the eye be narrower?
>>4556653
ah fuck ear should be a little higher shouldn't it

>>4556639
you really can't wrap around the obvious mistakes im too stupid to give a proper critique sorry, take this instead

>>4556657
that's the gook, just say JAPAN is the greates asian country and he will fuck off.

>>4556644
are you the guy who drew that spider with the anime girl?

>>4556673
No, It can't be that guy who drew the spidergirl is much more competent proportion wise.

>>4556673
No I'm not, idk what that is

>>4556676
Would you mind pointing out my incorrect proportions? :)

>>4556676
the eyes and painting are almost if not the same

>>4556608
Mussolini??

quick fix - any better?
really appreciate the criticism, especially redline anons

>>4556639
Mouth and eye travel too far back into the head. Ear should be up against the centerline and set between brow and bottom of nose. Look at a real head in profile.

fuck is too late to shitpost gn, have fun

>>4556693
this is not any better. look at a picture of a real human being from the side

>>4556683
As it was said before, your proportions resemble too closely that of a live model. The torso is much too big for that amawuhead of yours which results in the uncanny. Despite this attempt it is still out of proportion consider redrawing it from scratch while keeping all forms in relation to each other such as the hand is roughly the size from your sternum to the end of the shoulder. But of course this will fall on deaf ears you can go fuck yourself.

>>4556706
kek that looks way worse, but nice try amawu-fag
>preemptively telling me to fuck myself for not listening to your shitty advice
good job, saved yourself a post

>>4556693
>>4556706
Fellas what happened to us?

>>4556719
We are regressing.

still retarded?

>>4556739

>>4556739
https://youtu.be/LIykey9umVk?t=584

>>4556739
You didn't even change anything you fucking nigger

>>4556739
Pin2d

>>4556751
This is why you should never help anybody, it's like trying to spoonfeed a retard so he can spit food back at your face.

>>4556719
why stop saying learn your fundies first when we were overwhelmed by newfags that reee'd every time someone say, welcome to /a/'s /beg/

just dab on the /beg/s until they suck your dick for tips thats the only way

>>4556759
>>4556739
>>4556706
i love this board lmao

>>4556747
>>4556751
i moved the eyes closer to the ridge of the nose and narrowed the back
guess the eyes still look side facing?

>>4556759
You go to /beg/

>>4556768
b-but his style broooooo, you can change his style thats not bad anatomy thats his ssssssstyyyyyyle!!!1

>>4556773
who are you talking to?

>>4556769
no you go to /beg/ for failing at replying a obvious bait

>>4556776
Don't open your mouth

>>4556783
Sorry I got that cherry bomb FIRECRACKER AND IM READ YO BLOW FIRE ME UP I LOSE CONTROOOOOOLLLLLLL

>replaying to yourself

the absolute state of tranny's

>>4556793
I'm the master of disguise, turtle turtle.

Draw

>>4556813
no, fuck off

>>4556813
what does this mean,the image

>>4556851
nipponese

>>4556851
it's kinda shitty and shows all these intermediate stages to go before the final. it's easier to start by copying the late stages than working your way up imo

What happens if I study Loomis and Bridgman instead of anime? Can someone post their results from their studying?

>>4556989
What kind of results?

>>4556989
Then you'll be good at drawing realistic loomis/bridgman style drawing and end up with a deviant-art tier abomination when you try to draw anime.

How much should I do construction, copying and free form?

Right now I am doing a lot of head construction and it always ends up looking dodgy and not like animu, so I sort of abandoned everything and only construct heads now...

Should I draw in a big canvas if I will resize it to around 1000 pixels anyway?

>>4556989
then you'll have a better understanding of gesture, form, and anatomy, and will undoubtedly be a better artist and have an easier time deconstructing anime to study it and create your own figures from imagination. only good can come from studying loomis, bridgman, hampton, etc, don't listen to crabs like >>4556995

>>4556991
An image preferably.
>>4556995
That's what I'm thinking. And as much as the manga, Innocent, is a treasure to the eyes, it's actually painful to look at

>>4556995
Arent most anime artstyle basically
>realistic human body
>cartoon hecking heado

>>4557001
Yes, this is like a musician asking if he should record in a high bitrate if he's only planning on distributing mp3s

>>4557005
Despite what the amawu discord tranny is repeating, yes, you are correct. Anime generally follows realistic proportions and anatomy ignoring the head which is the main focus of stylization

>>4557003
Can you show me?

>>4557010
show you my hampton studies or my anime art?

>>4557023
Both please. I want to see how they both correlate

>>4557029
well pic related is a hampton study I did recently where he starts getting into how the arm and shoulders work, which has helped me draw real looking arms instead of just sticks. >>4556644 is mine for the anime example

>>4557034
I'm not really seeing the payoff. Granted the studies look stellar, but the actual labor seems to not reflect your skill. How long have you been at this? I want to watch how you progress.
These are my sketches. I know I still have a long way to go too, but I'm keeping my mind open about differing approaches

We'll activate drawing powers

Does Mangamaterials work for other styles besides manga?

>>4557404
Ah yes, the >realistic human face showcase
followed by
>symbol drawn anime same-faces in a front view and quarter view
I would mostly focus on finding the emotions you want from movie stills or scenes. You can even see them in action/acted out so you can get a feel for the motion.
Referencing from life works for all styles

>>4557404
All styles are based of the same fundies. So yes.

>>4557515
>using movies to improve your anime
>/asg/

>>4557647
When are you gonna improve?

>>4557657
He actually has improved a tiny, barely perceptible amount.

>>4557657
It's a neuroplasticity waiting room, and I don't really expect to gain mastery over the figure so soon, when people spend years doing so, but my supreme iq learning method should pay off.

>>4557048
You're not seeing the payoff because you aren't seeing how I drew before hampton lmao, but I'd rather not show that. Yeah well my catgirl from imagination won't be as good as my studies, the bad rendering doesn't help either. I still have lots lots lots to work on and improve obviously, but I do feel I've improved a lot, do with that what you will. I started Hampton/ Loomis earlier this year, around mid January I guess. I'm a student so I haven't been very consistent with it but I'm slowly getting through it. and yeah based on your sketches I would definitely recommend Hampton, what are you using as of now?

>>4557968
It's ok Anon, you're doing fine. We're all gmi.
I'm gonna be honest though, I don't see a huge difference in the quality of his sketches and yours. If anything, his feel a bit more dynamic. What do you think is better about yours than his, anatomically speaking?

>>4557985
Well anatomically speaking its clear he hasn't applied any at all. There are no forms in his arms for example, they're just constructive cylinders. His perspective is off, he is just symbol drawing most of the body, and his facial construction is all over the place/ not consistent/ not accurately formed. are you trolling?

I've been basically just going onto twitter and finding an artwork that I like and recreating it in basic shapes like circles and triangles and squares, and then trying to copy the original artwork ontop of the basic shapes I made. Is this the right thing I should be doing? I literally just started drawing a day ago.

All of you clearly need to buy the Apple iPad Pro 12.9, like all Japanese artists do now.
You're being held by inferior tools.

>>4558044
Our we talking about japanese clout chasers /asg/ loves, or soulful japanese artists.

>>4558005
No I'm not trolling. I see what you mean about not applying anatomy on top of the basic shapes, but for a slender anime girl that might be ok, and if he does want to start detailing the forms more I think he has a pretty good basis of appealing shapes to work off of. I MIGHT see what you mean about the perspective, but again any mistakes that are there aren't enough to make it appreciably worse than >>4556644 to me.

Can I get a redline of how the right hand is supposed to be on the left arm. I tried it it like five times before I just skipped over it
>>4557968
>what are you using as of now
nothing really.
I just spend 6 hours on the weekend to study a hodgepodge of anime pics I like and then draw whatever/however I want without thinking about how it should be. Sometimes I'll use specific images to study from so I can get a perspective for something I want to work on ahead of time, but I don't do that often. should study more,
but when I get in the mood to draw and have fun.
>>4558005
Oh, I definitely don't think about being consistent shape. I just draw what looks most aesthetically pleasing in the moment.

>>4558140
learn loomis and have some self awareness... ughh...

>>4558140
>>4558129

>>4558140
thumb is on the wrong side

>>4558158
I mean based on the other guy's catgirl, it's not like grinding fundies is gonna get him THAT much further.
Or is Loomis the secret key, rather than Hampton?

>>4558173
Hah, whoops. I'll try fixing that on the next go.
>>4558158
How should I have self awareness?
>>4558165
That's a good reaction image, did you make that? It looks very expressive

>>4558176
you could literally look at your knee hand and compare it to that pic and see how retarded is, even shit like loomis could improve that pic, now for him to be good at drawing non begs bodies he can study whatever theres no secret books just a matter how do you study

>>4558140

>>4557404
How exactly DO you use mangamaterials?

>>4558140
>>4558158
>>4558165
>>4558222
Cringe.

>>4558250
Like anything else, you use your fundies to replicate it over and over till you understand it, or to copy it into a drawing you're working on.

>>4558222
based trips

out of the 96 images posted 63 of them were reaction images
Of the 33 actual works posted 15 of those were the sketch poses guy's drawings
So out of the 73 people who post here, only about 19 of them draw.
Pretty interesting to think that there are over 50 people committed to shitposting and not drawing.

>>4558311
your mistake is to think trhat the rest of people who draw dont shitpost

>>4558324
do you draw?

>>4558326
i wouldn't be on icee if that weren't the case

>>4558331
Well, rather than continue to post here, I think I shouldn't keep coming to /asg/. There isn't much feedback other than reaction images and one word replies. I just don't care for shitposting when people should try to help each other. I liked /ic/ because it's abrasiveness in helping each other no matter the feelings, but now nobody is even saying anything and are just trying to be mean. I just don't like this atmosphere.
Good luck, though!! I hope all the artists of /asg/ makes it!!

>>4558358
see you tomorro- i mean in the next thread lmao

>>4558358
Yeah, there's a dedicated group of trolls who are trying to ruin this thread. It's really unfortunate. At least anime is welcome in other threads, it's not like they chased anime off the board or anything.

>>4558413
>Yeah, there's a dedicated group of trolls who are trying to ruin this thread
thats a very schizo though, unless you have proof, this general like any other general has people who shit on the people's style , the only few cases i ever seen of someone purposefully trying to shit on anime here was that guy that stayed half the thread saying anime was shit and he was too good or something, people telling you that your style looks like shit because you did something wrong in your work i wouldnt count them as trolls tarjeting specifically this general

>>4558451
There are people who routinely shit on random things in the thread without replying to anyone and mention a discord link in the op when there hasn't been one for threads now. It's dedicated trolling and they don't draw. It's very tiring in general.

>>4558358
>>4556644
Goodbye anon

G-guys the pdf is so overwhelming. I don't know what to do. I can't go outside my house but I got stacks of paper and some drawing pencils... I don't actually know where to begin. Should I pick any one of the courses in the resources section? I am so lost.. T_T

>>4551180
Um... I'm trying to find a balanced and seemingly "unstylized" style, but this is paradoxical since if found, it would still be a style, like a burgerlander calling a britbong "accented" and himself otherwise.
I am stumped.

>>4558641
just draw

>>4557034
Unorinocally. LOOMIS.You are shit and you should feel bad.

>>4558641
Keys to Drawing

>>4559176

ignore that it's a furry, i love to suck cock. anyway, i posted this in beg and the only critique i got is that the eyes are too big and hips are too small. i got feedback from someone else also saying that the hips are too big and the eyes are fine, so i don't know who to trust. could one of you redline it for me? i can't really see a problem with it besides the arms, left hand and right leg, so i need one of you to epicly pwn me so i can actually improve.

alright, thoughts on structure?
can't believe how bad it looked before, and how unaware I was

>>4559360
be hones with me, like for real are you trying to imitate an style in particular? or are going for realistic proportions with some anime stylized traits, because this is really bad

>>4559360
You still didn't fix the eye mother fucker

>>4559364
i would love to hear why in particular you think it's so bad
not a particular style im trying to imitate but id say im inspired heavily by rika suzukis style, specifically her faces with larger, emphasized features
>>4559368
ive changed it a fair amount. do you still think its not forward facing enough?

Can i post again or are you guys gonna bully me?

I'm thinking of buying a body chan, one of the posing figures. Is it worth it? I suck at thinking from imagination and perspective.

>>4559385
okay the biggest problem is the skull, is too flat i dont know how you are not realizing this, now usually the older the person are they tend to have a larger face if that makes sense usually in younger people the jaw isnt that large nor the nose and eyes in anime at least, now the eyes you drew are way to rectangular, is not like the eyes can't be shaped like that but is not natural in your case, they are almost rectangles, when you close the eyes your eyes don't close in that manner and if they were in a kinda rest position the lower uhhh eyelid shoul be more angular just like the jaw the jaw need to be a bit more angular too but you need to make the skull thinner first or rather the whole head or make the jaw larger whatever, because right now he has an ayy skull.

>>4559482
>9482▶
>File: 00000.jpg (2.15 MB, 5565x2360)
fug, forgot to resize

>>4559482
im not too sure how i should remedy the skull issue. have the hair sit closer to it? but then i feel i wouldnt portray the volume of the hair as well, especially considering he has what is almost a mullet
he's definitely supposed to be an older character.
in the middle drawing are you trying to illustrate that both the redline and bluelines are wrong?
noted on the eyes, thanks

>>4559332
I like the color palette and there's something cute about this piece already even though a lot of aspects are somewhat wonky.

Nothing wrong with big eyes if that's the style you want to go for, but yours are very wide as well (if I take the full width of the lashes into account) and close together which makes her face look less appealing. There should always be enough room for a third eye between the eyes.
Also, what direction is she looking in? That decides the placement of the irisis so you need to consider it before you draw them.

Similar story with the hips, it's less of a size and more of a placement issue. The upper and lower body look disconnected because they don't line up properly.
You don't have to do construction manually for every figure you draw, but the reason why people are often suggesting it to beginners is that beginners tend to forget to check for proportions and placements mentally.

>>4559513
the blueline is the shape of the skull, it's just retarded, i know anime skulls are by default weird looking but usually in men they are really close to normal proportions specially in older people,if you want to fix the whole head you will most likely need to redo everything, so up to you, but i wiĺl recommend you to fix that skull but not by a redline given to you, you need to be able to see your errors and fix them if you can't you won't progress at all and if thats is impossible then you go back to your fundies or quit unironically.

>>4559482
>>4559576
why do you talk all this shit when your redlines are awful chicken scratched garbage?

>>4559972
keep seething, but i only follow the path that was lend to my by my JAPANESE GODS, i won't listen to a ngmi western piggu let alone a gook or insectoid.

>>4554293
>>4554516
>>4554422

What about this image? How many of these would have honestly thought we're eastern if you hadn't known the context?

>>4560200
Not bad, some of these could definitely have fooled me deprived of that context especially the bottom two rows, so I guess these are the ones who have copied and purged almost all western comic influences from their internal toolset/reference to get closer to the anime/manga style.

And I will say that entire pic is filled with more variety and style than the awful samey tumblresque "anime" style you usually see so that's nice to see.

I really like this one in particular, new artist found thanks anon.

>>4560427
who have copied anime/manga style extensively*