/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4547223
useless general, just go to /trad/ or /int/

>>4547229
/trad/ obviously limits the medium on a board where lots of anons work digitally
Also a focused topic isn't useless, especially one as important as this.

To start out, here's a photo to study:

>>4547223
WHERE. THE FUCK. CAN I FIND GOOD HEAD DRAWING PHOTO REFERENCE?

>>4547286
>To start out, here's a photo to study:
no. Generally the people that start generals are the best in their respective general, can you prove to us you know what the fuck you're doing before any of us give a shit about your shitty thread?

>>4547223
Been thinking of making an app thats basically line of action but you can load your own image sets and create your own sessions.

Would anyone find this useful?

>>4547298
quickposes in the main post has been useful for me, but it's free, so it won't have everything one might want.

>>4547223
Pyw crab before making these threads. Bringing down the beginners with your shit advice is a real virgin move

>>4547311
There's already that GestureDrawing app on brunet's shop.
Missing some features like flip horizontal and a few others though.

>>4547306
Show me one general that follows this rule.

Thoughts?

>>4547319
I was gonna make it free

>>4547323
Being this fucking new. What is your problem? Piss off if you don’t like this board

>>4547329
God so based

>>4547331
Oh would love to see it then.

i know this is hard to do atm bc of corana but this is an advice for the future.
Go to a real life drawing session in the near future. It will help you immensely
>hurr durr why lol I can just studies at home!
If you are good enough and went to a lot of real life drawing session k whatever this doesn't apply to you and using videos and pictures to do studies is good stuff
BUT those who just started need to go and experience it yourself.
I know a lot of you think timed poses don't matter but they do, there is a reason people start off with 30s, 1mins, 2mins, 5s etc etc
Makes you think gesturally and helps with line efficiency. Makes you think about what you are looking at and stops you from doing contours of the figure and start doing actual construction.
K the obvious is stated, the next is PRESSURE
There are people around you who can see what you are doing, there is an actual nude model front of you. You pay attention and more coincidence of your actions and what you are drawing.
You go to one session and have a bad day and you wanna go back and do better, you research more about how to do figure drawing, you start actually study anatomy
It saves you so much time compare to staring at a video or looking at a nude model on your screen for 3 hours to do one drawing.
GO to a life drawing session
they are maximum 15 dollars for a session

>>4547333
>P-PLEASE LEAVE THIS BOARD I DONT LIKE YOU

>>4547344
Stop writing like a 17 year old girl.

>>4547352
pyw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx4uZ-G1_Rw

I did some bargue plates today if that's figure drawing

why do people on a drawing board get buttmad when threads are made for drawing and studying

>>4547323
Being this fucking new. What is your problem? Piss off if you don’t like this board

>>4547361
what you trying to do here? train your eye? Do one for one copies? I didn't watch all of your 5 min video but I see you doing contours and outlines then adding in the details afterward
If you are doing one for one copies take more time, get bigger paper and do it for a minimum of 5 hours
If you are doing studies you are missing a lot of the construction by breaking it down into boxes, see where things fold and fit together to understand the 3d space

>>4547346
You are a beginner and want to give others advice and critique. You are a hypocrite and the people on this board are too smart for your libtard bullshit

>>4547366
It reminds them that some people actually draw instead of just crabbing all day

>>4547377
>You are a beginner and want to give others advice and critique. You are a hypocrite and the people on this board are too smart for your libtard bullshit

>>4547366
Because these threads are made by beginners that give their shit advice to others.

>>4547229
better than another post ironic zoomer cunt posting about how he wants to kill himself

>>4547286

>>4547344
I will NOT draw with other people around.

>>4547361
What's so special about Bargue ? Does it help to better figure out proportions or something ?

>>4547571
Helps you with process. Here’s a sketch from years ago that I redrew

>>4547286
The face is fucking me up so I decided to skip it :S

>>4547535
Gorgeous but his left arm is a bit too short mainly the humerus.

>>4547344
Now I'm motivated!

>>4547223
This was hard for my /beg/ brain. Couldn't pull off the foreshortening of the torso yet. Good exercise!

>>4547376
>>4547571
Bargue plates are for learning to copy what you see into 2d shapes and how to render. You would do them before you learn 3D construction/form, they are basically the first thing you do at an atelier.

>>4552672
>You would do them before you learn 3D construction/form,
the early lessons teach construction, they're all meant to be constructed, it's just that the later lessons don't give you the guidelines for it you have to figure it out yourself

I know some of you guys use anki to study nipponese. There are some good anatomy shared decks that make it pretty easy to study anatomy.

>>4547223
A recent study

>>4553236
Here's the full size ref if anyone wants it

where am I at?

>>4552644
keep going brah grind these out you'll git gud

>>4553236
nice breakdown, pretty accurate. thanks for the ref anon

>>4547298
https://gumroad.com/l/MastersStudy

Bridgmeme study

>>4554001
Good stuff!

>>4554004
Your shapes are off and the shading doesn't do much to sell the form, it feels very flat.

>>4553236
bretty good

>>4552644
>4552672
Of course it's hard, but you'll improve

>>4554004
For some reason I thought these were a left and right leg and that you severely fucked up the right leg.
as a thumbnail the top left reference looks like the ugu weeaboo anime pose where the female character points both knees inward, but from behind

>>4553236 >>4553238
Thanks for the ref! I always want to stretch out the extremities, hard to find the gesture when everything is so compressed. I'll attempt to sketch this again once I've got more gesture practice under my belt.
>>4553652
>>4557088
Thanks anons, this is a great thread

figure drawing for all its worth, useful or should I get another?

I've started reading Bammes' Anatomy Guide, I'm very pleased by his throughout method of teaching so far, looks like it'll be a long and interesting journey. I didn't start any of the books exercises, as I've stopped before the first one, at page 48. My concern is that I've got a feeling that I may not yet be ready to jump into this book. Do you think I need to study another book/course to fully get the book or am I good to go?

Here's a clumsy drawing I did some weeks ago.

new reference thread
>>4560652
>>4560652

>>4558499
just letting you know that your tablet is fucked if your lines look like that, but you could probably already tell

keep pushing anon, figure drawing was the hardest part for me, took me 2 (two) years just to get the basics of it down and memorized. it was frustrating as fuck but youve just got to grind it. i recommend steve huston's figure drawing course as it helped me the most, but thats just a suggestion. godspeed

>>4561142
>just letting you know that your tablet is fucked if your lines look like that, but you could probably already tell
retard that's a velocity setting and sometimes desirable.

>>4561213
its definitely not, thats broken pressure

>>4547286
i think i'm retarded

if i try to build the figure the result is way shittier than the pic i did

>>4547535
nice

>>4547570
OH YES U WILL!

gave up on shading for the time being, I'll try it when I manage to get some decent paper and charcoal pencils.

gesture prac

figure pracc

>>4561886
added values, crits appreciated

>>4561491
the pose is pretty advanced after all, his body is strongly compressed forward and has a sideward twist on top of that. That's hard to internalize
>>4562006
looks great, the crits I have are probably towards the pose ref itself. Could you post it? Where do you get yours from?
>>4561779
wait, why you say gesture practice when you fully draw out the details? Gesture focuses on motion/simplification, not contour?

>>4562261
This was my ref

>>4562261
Regarding the gesture practice, my main focus while drawing that was to get the gesture down correctly, as it was a fairly tough gesture. After I finished I decided to add in some details.

>>4562006
>>4561886
>>4561779

I like these a lot. I started that one ref but stopped partway through to work on head practice.

>>4563312
ty man, yours came out really nice aswell. I need to practice heads myself but I'm avoiding it for the time being

>>4563312
Thank for your breakdowns, they are very helpful!

bumping this mi famiglia

>>4547361
You are doing these wrongly
At least you are not doing it in the manner that it is taught in an atelier.
There really is not such thing as studying something incorrectly, but I think you are missing the point of the study. Bargue plates are meant to be measured again and again and again. These are supposed to be as accurate as possible. One of the major points to learn is measuring and enveloping
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6lCvz1IiW8&list=PL3aPoNPQSJnSJVw2_GUVR7jC0nbnksq6F&index=0

about to going in and shade, I'm feeling anxious about fucking this up

>>4567234
send it my dude. studies are for fucking up and learning from it. Do your best but don't sweat it if it ends up being trash

>>4567234
You will probably fuck it up and that's ok, you'll learn

>>4561886
>>4562006
Last time I posted a redline I got laughed out of ic, but here goes nothing

You did really well. You can copy and render all the forms basically 95% correct. But the problem is that you're copying the picture. As a result you don't gain any understanding of the action or the basic forms that make up the figure and your pose ends up stiff, losing the life of the pose

My suggestion is to build the figure from the ground up. Use Vilppu's method and try to sculpt the pose, instead of copying the 2d shapes. It's a very different way of thinking that you're probably used to, and your skills will probably seemingly suffer at first, but its better in the long run. You'll be able to invent and render anything you want from your imagination.

My example was actually traced over yours (because yours was already very well done), but I sculpted the forms and pushed the rhythm of the pose in certain areas, namely the belly. I just wanted to show you what I was talking about.

>>4567350
>Last time I posted a redline I got laughed out of ic, but here goes nothing
The people who laughed at you were no doubt ultra bitter crabs.
Quality post and quality redline, we need more people like you here

>>4567371
Thank you, that means a lot to me.

>>4567350
Thanks for the advice.

>You can copy and render all the forms basically 95% correct.
I'm not sure if I was this accurate as I'm seeing some proportional mistakes in hindsight (right femur is too short, the belly area should extend more out as you've pointed out, some mistakes with left arm, and a few more minor mistakes).

I do see your point about the stiffness of the pose. My figure seems to be floating in the air while the ref is clearly forcefully jumping off the ground. I would say this is a result of me putting all my focus on getting the anatomy and proportions as best as I can, and not really caring for the gesture itself. I imagine that my gesture will improve as I do more of these studies and get more confident with copying from a ref.
As for constructing from the ground up, I'm really new to traditional drawing, I don't really know what's the work process of converting a sketch to a fully polished drawing, because of this I tend to use the minimum amount of construction and foundational lines and shapes before I go for finishing up the piece. When I used to draw in digital however I did make like 2-3 layers of different stages of construction, as it was much easier there to simply lower layer opacity and build on top. I'll definitely be more mindful of these and try to learn how to build proper skeletons with traditional drawings.

Thanks again!

>>4567410
Do you do any timed poses or just long studies.
Timed poses will loosen you up
1 mins to 5 mins nothing longer
Even 5 mins is a lot of time

>>4567427
I've only been doing these long studies since I switched to traditional.
I used to practice quick gestures/figures a lot before though. I used to do pages full of them ranging from 1 minute drawings up to 15 minutes. I'll have to pick it up again.

>>4567234
How did you draw this so accurately? Did you use a grid?

Trying to apply more contrast to my shading.
Ref >>4560652

>>4568210
Losing a lot of form in that left arm
Losing a lot of form in left leg
Same with the left side of the body try to keep the form while doing this

>>4568212
Yeah, was trying to make some lost edges but ended up just looking dirty and lazy. Should have used some lighter values.

Visual measurement + edit from loomisvook

>>4568079
No, I measured width + height of the body and head. The rest I did by eyeballing.

>>4547286

>>4569448
>>4547535
How long did it take you guys to get this good?

>ditigal """"life drawing""""" with rendering and fixing mistakes
>Good
Lmao
Such a waste of time

>>4567234
Feels like I bit off more than I can chew with this one, still satisfied with the result though.
One things for sure I need to stop working printer paper.

>>4569615
Maybe I'm too /beg/ but this is so good. That shading is so well done, especially on the arm

>>4569624
ty

>>4569615
Looking excellent :)

>>4569563

At least those people are drawing. Did you do any recently?

It is almost finished, but I have doubts about whether the shadow cast on the floor is correct. Besides adding a little more contrast to the face, what else could be improved?

>>4569448
update

>>4571157
Okay that's really fucking cool

>>4571157
wtf

>>4571157
good shit bro

>>4571157
The right arm - yes i knoww it is hard to eecute it well But it looks off and it is not drawn "correctly" in perspective
There is not put much empahasize on the hands
His Left should is broken too.
The edges on the other hand are nice, but i would prefer a lil bit more control - but it seems your purpose wasn't so much put on one point but rather on many
Keep it up bruh.

>>4571471
Holy shit I'm seeing so much wrong with it now that you pointed it out, the whole shoulder/arm area is fucked
I'll try fixing it, thank you

>>4571522
What simplification method do you use for the body masses/which course or teacher did you learn with?

some mistakes i alrdy know but didn't wanted to fix - i don't draw often this detaile, but it kinda came out okay

>>4573436
There are many anatomical mistakes. But you got the tone and texture of the skin very nice.
You need to push the values especially around the upper leg and crotch area.
Keep pushing yourself with full studies like this, the gains are immense.

>>4553648
intermediate

>>4568237
I disagree a lost edge in the arm spot would have been interesting but I think you should have gone full-on and lost the whole arm

Critiques appreciated. It looks off somewhere but I can't pinpoint exactly what. Also, how do I make it look less like a stone sculpture and more like flesh?

>>4573634
That's a nice idea to consider for a future drawing, but for now I'll try to get better at rendering with pencil/charcoal. I'll keep it in mind, thanks.

can we spin off a separate /study/ for the fags that dont draw women

>>4547344
is it normal that I read this in a young girl's voice?

>>4574299
FUMING roastie

>>4552890
How would you study anatomy with anki?
What would a question be on a card?

But I think it can be good for memorizing proportions of body parts, because that's just mostly memorizing numbers.

does facial expression fall under figure drawing?

I'd like to draw nuanced coom faces

>>4574322
in a more compelling way

>>4573606
Thanks! - Yes i have to, your right.
Atm.. i only draw many figures from different pers.pective, to get a natural feeling for perspective and the figure in general.

As seen at the study, i did not put much effort into getting the 1:1 likeness, but rather to get the information across.
I will give my best to push myself and improve, and thanks for the advice. I push the values on the next one and try to keep the anatomical-mistake on a respectable count ^^

>>4547223
Sketch challenge: use the drawings in this thread >>4499963 as a prompt and create something that has proper anatomy

>>4575594
Say what you will about schizoanon, but you have to admire his dedication to consistantly drawing his hallucinations.

>>4575598
Not even against that thread or his art, the drawings do make for actually good sketch prompts!

>>4575594
Here or in the other thread?

>>4547286
I still have a lot to learn

>>4573606
Not him but what are the anatomical mistakes? Is it because of the lack of foreshortening?

>>4579648
hey, i'm the one who drew it.
I believe mainly the hand as example, the shoulder, the placement of the eye, the knees too, foot... these are some mistakes i see as example.
I could correct them while i drew him but i didn't wanted to, cause i alrdy knew this will now be a copy.
My main goal was to improve my shadings, and sit to actually "finish" something since i draw a lot of "sketch-studies", which are quick and quit a lot sometimes with the purpose to train my intuition when i draw from imagination.
I don't improve if i just copy something without wanting to challenge myself.
The first gesture i draw i used and build up from there. The drawing took me 5 hours i believe.

posted this in /beg/ but I didn't get any replies, so i'll try my luck here

this is what I was working in today as well

>>4547286
Darn, I hate hands and feet.. Can you guys find any more stuff that's off?

>>4581144
entire mid section is wrong in terms of position in 3d space. try drawing the rib cage and pelvis where you thing they are in the body, then construct everything around them.

>>4547286
/beg/ attempt
I'm not sure how to get better at legs in particular

>>4581144
torso is completely fucked
legs are tiny
right arm is tiny.
Use proper construction, observe the reference as a whole and not part by part, and study human proportions.

>>4581192
>>4581725
Thanks for the advice dudes, enjoy your saturday!

noo don't die

>>4581108
I'm guessing this is gesture practice from the exaggerated "C curve" on her right arm. Can't find anything to critique (without the ref), I think it makes sense and looks good. One thing, you seem to do be drawing more solid lines over a scribble layer, not sure why you included the rib cage construction layer in the second pass.
>>4581248
Your head size/tilt/proportion is way off. It's too big: in the ref it's maybe 6-7 heads across, in yours it's 5-6 heads from left to right. Don't bother drawing in a face in figure studies, just indicating the head tilt is enough.
>>4583545
I don't know how stylized and loose you want to be in the end, I'll just say this looks like a solid (functional) head, the eyes could be a big stylized/big. Personally not a fan of using a small brush to draw in individual whiskers.

>>4583545
>>4583722
Thank you, I wasn't sure how to do the details, at the moment the goals of theses (I do around 2-3 a day) is accuracy in shapes and values, once Im feeling more comfortable with that Ill try to spend more time polishing, this was about 45 min or so. Though I have not been measuring, Im trying to do it the same way vilppu works and just get more accurate.

>>4583741
Forgot to attach the other one

>>4583741 >>4583743
The values look good in the thumbnails. I don't know how Vilppu does it, you're probably going straight to blocking in without lines and build the shapes from there. That's so interesting. Just be aware that there are some simple tools at your hand that could help you out a bit (angles, plumb lines, shapes etc.)

>>4547535
Pleasant, don't be afraid to emphasize warmth of shade and coolness of halftones, it gives the illusion of volume, and as a rule of thumb a little stronger/more intense colours are more interesting than more muddy ones. You made shade on torso a bit lighter and more of yellow ochre, I'd personally make it more of a red ochre (with little darker value). You placed contrast on knee well, it makes it pop, but in general torso is important mass and shouldn't be that much lighter. You have to make your own choices on what parts to emphasize, but in general you want to emphasize the break of form/edge where light turns into shadow. If you emphasized the break of form on torso/arm(I mean make it darker than rest of shadow), it'd make it feel more 3d, but I'd still leave the knee being darkest, as it's closest to the viewer. Also don't make outline the same around both sides of a calf(and same around both calves). Light is coming more from up, so you make the upper edges lighter and more sharp, other softer and darker. Same with different legs, different arms - one takes priority, like you made with knees and feet.
Idk how much of this would you do if you spent more time on this painting, so I'm just saying, hope it helps I guess

>>4583722
I'm >>4581248
thanks for the comment

I've started reading Vilppu's drawing manual.

I find it really interesting how he starts with gesture and emphasis on movement. I've noticed the "feel the form" meme once so far, how many times will I be seeing that?

>>4584576
A little less often than Naruto says "believe it"

>>4584424
I knew I recognized those hips.

>>4586070
Jesus fuckin christ I cant draw anything safely.

>>4583749
you kinda remind of this anon

>>4574183
I'm a /beg/ but I think the head looks a bit big compared to the torso. Hips/butt look somewhat narrow but maybe that's how they look in the reference. Legs look a bit lumpy? I don't know how to describe them, like too symmetrical, at least the right one, and I think it would look better if they were wider at the top. The contour of your layin is a bit sloppy but that's probably because you were using a big brush for it and had your sketch lines on top of it, you can just trim it with the eraser. And I think anons would say that you need to push your values. I'm not sure aboutt how to make it look more like flesh. I did a thing with the liquify tool, hope it helps

>>4574183
You should apply gestures. The pose feels very stiff.

Is there an archive of masters drawings?

>>4547286
I think I'm very slow with this but I did some of it

>>4584590
I guess I'll learn how to feel the form.

>>4547286
I think I'll leave it at that for the moment, I was practicing my charcoal drawing

>>4586821
Ah shit, your version looks way better, thanks. I'll work on my proportions and leg anatomy. And yeah, I gotta start laying in the silhouette more cleanly. Thank you for pointing all that out.

>>4587025
Thanks, I'll work on that

>>4547286
Pose is hard. It's been a long time since doing a study. Often found myself trying to just draw the shapes of the guy instead of thinking about actual anatomy on the upper torso and upper arms which is something to work on. I also fucked up at the start with poor construction leaving the head in the wrong location and arms too big. Some of the values still fucked up but I hit my time of 1hr30 so I'm posting.

I'm not sure how to 'draw what I see,' I understand negative spaces, grouping shadows, gestures, etc, but my proportions just don't add up, the shapes aren't correct.

>>4590167
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJuy5UBalh0
http://www.dorian-iten.com/accuracy/
I found these useful

I've changed my approach to studying Vilppu's classes by first trying to do my own sketch using the new concept he introduced. Before I was just copying his marks and feeling I was missing something. Now I can compare my work with his and try to understand what I need to pay more attention. This one was the lesson 3 - box forms.

>>4590465
Good on you dude

any other advice than practice like hell?

>>4591162
any other advice than practice like hell?

>>4591167
Copy some master drawings, draw from life, photos are distorted that's why you shouldn't rely on them too much

>>4547298
Bodies in motion for various expressions

>>4591167
draw from video screenshots. they have a lot movement and their pretty dynamic.
drawing from film shots could also teach you about composition

>>4591167
Gesture drawing is your best friend right now. Do lots and lots of it to warm up every day. I recommend using a website that has a class mode with increasing pose times starting from short and ending with a long drawing, and then doing a nice long figure drawing after that. It helps so fucking much.

>>4569551
don't worry about it and fucking practice

>>4547346
Imagine being this wrong and still going on about it. Go back to /r9k/ or /b/

>>4590223
>http://www.dorian-iten.com/accuracy/
THank you, I'll check it out. I should have been more specific though, I struggle mainly with portraits and faces rather than the full figure. I don't know what it is. I'm not even ttalking about getting a likeness, I struggle finding the general shape of the head even though I'm familiar with the underlying anatomy/structure/planes.


So many angles I can't seem to get it. As an addition, I have a much harder time drawing faces with a pencil/pen/thin brush/LINES, when I start just laying down thick shapes in digital it seems to go better.

>>4547286
>>4587094
I got lazy with the highlights and didn't even bother with feet/hands but it was nice to do it

Anybody knows her name?

>>4592260
are you guys really drawing it like a real artist who gets girls and deserves respect or barely painting on top of the picture like a 2 year old boy who should be laughed at just for existing?

>>4547223
How do I FEEL the form? I've heard this many times from proko and vilppu yet I still don't understand what they mean.

just found this thread, bump

>>4593436
Believing in the illusion that there are tridimensional forms in the paper, and all you do with the pencil is follow it with line, tone, etc.

>>4593429
what

>>4593429
people are drawing for real, you /beg/ ngmi

how can i get better at this? I get the feel that my rendering looks a bit muddy and colors somewhat dull
ref from >>4589838

>>4591614
>NOOOO I NEED TO REPLY TO A 20-DAY OLD POST SO THAT I CAN HAVE THE LAST WORD
>MOOOMMMY I WON ANOTHER INTERNET ARGUMENT PLEASE REWARD ME WITH TENDIES