/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4523647
i swear to god if you ever mention loomis or the sticky...
>i’ll do nothing desu

You first

>>4523647
I have a question.
1. Is copying mandatory to be able to draw well?
2. If number one is true, does doing careful copies of Bargue drawings help you get there?
3. Is there a more efficient way to get better at copying if all of the above are correct?

>>4523647
Help me /beg/ and /asg/ aren’t helping me :(

>>4523647
pls OP

>>4523647

>>4523656
not OP - but that is actually good - you build the boddy in perrspective and with boxes as it seems like - study more anatomy and draw a lot of gestures - if u have a camera use it and shoot gesture-images of yourselfwith the interval-function ( like 150 pics every 2 sec i do this and hit rly helps me :) just keep the grind up and draw things you would normally draw

>>4523647
First post your work, please. I'd like to know if you can be taken seriously.

>>4523658
>>4523660
Not op again, but you guys have to keep perspe3ctive in mind and learn how to see in perspective - learn about forms and do everyday perspective drawing like 20 min is enough, for /begs loomis is good just use it if you can't perceive the information from observation only np

>>4523654
Not him, but:
1: absolutely. It’s impossible to draw everything purely from imagination. From details in backgrounds to stuff like folds in clothing, you’ll be needing to use your observational skills to bring life to your art. Additionally, copying things like style and such is how you develop your own unique art style.
2: you should be doing careful copies of absolutely everything that catches your attention, even things that don’t. Start with still life, plenair, reallife models, etc... you should always be using art as a tool to put down what you see in the world around you on paper. Carry a notebook and draw all the time. Studying also requires you copy and draw what you’re instructed.
3: pretty much everything I said above. Draw all the time, start with real life, but doing studies of other people’s art is perfectly fine too. You shouldn’t limit yourself to just one thing though.

>>4523651
/thread

Always feel like something is wrong with this one but i cant tell what...Help OP

>>4523689
Lineart is not supposed to look like spaghetti.

>>4523647
thank you for taking the time help out us /beg/s despite all the crabs

how come some instructors talk about the importance of confident lines (ghost the line, then draw the line in one smooth movement) but other instructors drawing sketchier lines that feel out the form?

Bump

>>4523733
It has only been literally 12 minutes retard. Even in the faster boards this would still be retarded.

>>4523656
Grow some nuts and stop drawing tiny scratchy fragments on lined paper

>>4523740
I guess that’s why i’m stuck in /beg/. Everyone in /asg/ was doing it :(

>>4523743
Draw bigger, give a shit, and build confidence in your linework. These will help you to ascend out of /beg/

>>4523760
Is that you, Dairenke? You've been making serious gains

>>4523760
>>4523774

Now draw Asuka again. That's a nice control for skill gain comparison.

>>4523760
>sraka.jpg
kek

>>4523647
I'll bite

>>4523828
what does it mean? is it russian for shit?

hit me

Please destroy me (I already know I need to work on hands and feet)

>>4523647
>pyw and will be ignored like always
stop wasting my time

>>4523650
i dont believe in art books, havent read a single one in my life

>>4523654
1. yes (2-3. the best way to learn from copying is disarming the references into simple shapes (do it over the ref at the beggining), try to redraw these shapes, reduce opacity of this layer and draw over there, if you practice enough you will be able to directly draw references into simple shapes and later on, directly draw ref because you will do the process in your head.

>>4523656
dont listen to anyone here, your shapes have a lot of dinamism, kinda remind me trigger studios style, there is not much i can do for you because you are in the right path
you should study that kind of style, overstylized one and see if you like it or directly study that wacky anime style.

>>4523658
its a nice piece, i see that you know what you are doing with your anatomy, but there are a few things you can do to be better.
-the lineart takes focus from it because is too dark, use a brush with less opacity and try to merge it with the render, not too much but enough to make it "dissapear"
-you are doing coom art, so it should be more appealing, try to study coomer artists and see where the lines are more appealing, your lineart is too generic and constantly have lines in places where kills forms (under boob for example)
-study hands, take photos of your own and try to draw them with a process like i mention above.
-face. one of the more important aspects of coomer art is the appeal of the face, i tried to draw but i don't do this kind of semi realistic faces very often, so is kinda shitty.
-stop being cringe, that dick on the wall, stop with that humour.
-try to practice shadows, your render have bases, but it looks like its a wip, again, go and study good coomer artists and learn how they render.

>>4523970
>reduce opacity of this layer and draw over there
wat

>>4523979
im talking about this.

Pls help me guys!!! Trying to get on netflix ;-;

>>4523996
are you ronmeru?

>>4524004

I draw like a child.

>>4523647
Please help

>>4523689
Do you have a blog? I love it

>>4524014
So do I, just learn basic form and shapes and you should upgrade! :D

>>4523647
OH I like me some jj frenchie

>>4523647
pls be gentle, op fren

>>4523955
what the fuck did you think was going to happen, retard
the whole point of telling people to pyw is so that you can ignore them
that’s the fucking point of a shitpost, newfag

>>4524022
Thanks, any particular resources for that? I've been planning to going through Hampton's figure drawing book in the future.

>>4524074
Idk I’m a ngmi. I use loomis and I’m learning tons about form and shapes I’m learning by studying cartoons.

>>4523660
-use croquis cafe models to study.
-dont hide your anatomy problems with more lines
-your proportions arent bad but you still need to focus in anatomy a lot.

>>4523682
there are a few mistakes in this piece, normies will never notice, but you should try to fix them.

>>4523683
nice birds, i haven draw animals, but you should pay more attention to the details, like the feet and beak

Send help.

>>4524000
>4 fingers

>>4524143
Use ref or Rei will forever ignore you

>>4523970
>>4523667
I'm waiting.

/ic/ can't draw: the thread

>>4524192
>Using that ref with a fucked up torso and sloth face
Incoming butthurt Evangelion /a/ fanboys in 3, 2, 1

>>4523689
your art look like something that come from a magazine. focus on cell shading. try to find a crispy brush for the lineart and reduce the amount, it would improve your a lot.

>>4523760
you are one of my favs, you have consistence, your anatomy isnt bad, but you have the wrong aproach when we talk about colors. watch the work of Tim Löchner, i think his color style will fit you perfectly

>>4523860
really nice work, try more complex postures and leave your confort zone, try some old school pinups.

>>4523869
you are far better than me, in this piecee i think the toso of naruto is too long and the chest too short, the arm grabbing the tit is short, but aside from that, i can say that you already made it. leave ic, staying here will reduce your art gains.

>>4523943
perspective is good, proportions good. go to pinterest and search "handsome muscular boys, and study.

>>4524000
reduce the size of the head a bit and send them your ideas instead. they accept almost everything if there is a good plot.

>>4524014
anon, this generic 14 yo anime drawing, i had this problem 3-4 years ago, the best way to get out is drawing from references.

>>4524015
you are the next phase from the post right above yours. you let ic get into your head about drawing from imagination and anime. just pick your favorite artists and directly copy them to improve. anime isnt that hard

My stuff is too cartoony to be properly critiqued but I would like some advice on the colors/shading I did on this piece I finished a couple of weeks ago

>>4524359
Shit forgot to downsize this

>>4524040
already mentioned this but too many lines in the wrong places will fuck the piece. colors are too green, try to use more warm colors

>>4524143
you put a westie head over an anime body, you need to choose one and start working from there.

i can see this in any show, reduce the line weight a bit, aside from that coloros are on point, a bit saturated but good.

>>4524359
last line from >>4524401 is for you.

What's the matter crabs? you don't have anything smart to say? lmao

>>4524192
I did use refs!
>>4524401
I thought i was doing the opposite, i feel like i can't draw feminine western heads.

>>4523689
Seconding blog.

Have at it.

I had a lot of problems with the breasts and her left forearm, and I realized I misplaced the hip bones.
Besides those things, what else can I do to improve?

>>4524506
nice, i really like this one, i would say you need to practice, but at least you take the risk of trying. just keep doing what you are doing, search some muscular guys and practice with that.

>>4524570
the proportions are ok, but there are aa lot of problems, i recomend you to use ref the next time and see how much you improve. the tits dont have good shape focus on that. also draw the sweatdrops more round or just a C

>>4523862
Rude way to say ass in russian, and in polish I guess

>>4524774
Venom poster here. Thanks for the critique and this was an attempt at doing a more perspective challenging pose from imagination after some more intensive anatomy study.
Will take the advice.

HALP

I'm willing to go full illustrator this year
Ignore the moon. I'm just wasnt in the mood for drawing the rest of the chick.

Not native english speaker, so sorry for my grammar.

How do I improve on future SB scale artwork?

>>4523650
>loomis or the sticky...
Who or what is that? Google won't help me.

>>4524977
(not OP)
There's nothing wrong with using textured brushes or textures from photos in your work, but you need to use them in the right place.
Hair for example consists of many fine strands, it shouldn't have a grainy/dotted texture.
Also, the color of the enviroment should affect the color of the shadows, currently she looks pasted onto the background.

>>4525004
I posted the picture.
Thank you for your feedback. I'll take notes and improve.

You're right about the background. I drew her without any BG in mind, then just shoot a blue hue to make for it

>>4523647

>>4524980
cant tell anon, is pretty based, cant see myself doing something like this, i bet your minecraft houses are lit

>>4524998
pretty nice, render the shirt a bit more and it will be really nice. i can say that you should study some dinamic poses and leave this place. focus on the right characters on twitter and you gonna make it.

>>4525063
my favorite of all post here,if you are using csp let me have th at brush. you should be making comics aanon, if you arent yet. only problem is the door, it breaks the perspective of the right wall andd the soldiers, again, nice piece.

>>4525077
Ty anon

>>4523869

Why didn't you color it, god damn it? Do it! Also where can we see more of this good shit?

>>4525080
how the hell do I do the last step without the colors looking awful

>>4525080
i think these are great, but this haave a big lgbt aura, not sayin that is something bad, you have a nice render and very distintive style, maybe you can make it at character designer for games.

>>4525081
best part is that these little mans are pointing at her, you should use that as a guide for light reflection, ambient oclussion and light bounce BUT one at time, try by yourself anon, post results later.

>>4523943
Stop pressing so hard

>>4525144
i mess with the levels etc after i choose some colors and paint over with my own color choices from there.
try ctrl U, ctrl B in photoshop and
image>adjustments>then you can use curves/levels and contrast etc etc.
>>4525173
I've got nothing against lgbt vibe etc. but it's not what im going for though really.

>>4525202
im op, t his one is a lot better and dosnt have that vibe

>>4525210
thank you lol

I've posted this before and the only reply I got was loomis. Kinda a newfag so I don't know what it means but I'm guessing it has to do with facial structure? Anyway I would to know seriously what to work on as I have a lot of things I'd like to improve on!

>>4525388
loomis

Actual critique on Artwork/Critique? Sign me the fuck up. This was one of the first non-100% referenced pieces I'm mostly happy with.

>>4525388
loomis is some guy who did some artbooks 50 years ago, outdated info that people here dont take seriously.

i like how the girls is the main focus, but there are some problems. you keep your proportions right, but they aren good, the biggest problem here are the legs, the head look like a mask becaause the form, this is because you tried to draw frankie head on a normal body. the colors are pretty good, just focus on the anatomy a aand you will be good.

>>4525434
good to see something aside from anime girls. i cant see his left arm, is the only problem with this one and the details in some tentacles make you lose the focus on the charaacter, aside from that is nice.

Not OP, just giving some thoughts and (you)s

>>4525388
The line work and coloring is good, the values are decent, but the proportions and anatomy are absolutely fucked. The lower legs are far too small compared to the thighs, the boobs hang at weird angles, the neck is long and at a painful angle, a nonexistent right shoulder, and has a complete pancake face with no jawline. It's also almost imposs for a cock to do that to a woman, but that borders more on artistic choice, though it makes her look like she has a dick at first glance.

You just need to do figure studies, which means authors like Loomis and Hampton are exactly what you need. People say look at the sticky because it has links to a ton of resources you can use for free.

>>4525190
Nice and simple. I like it. Try not restating every pen stroke you do, and the drawings should come out cleaner. I do the same thing and I'm trying to stop it.

>>4524748
The redhead's eyes are kind of close together. I'm not sure about the composition, is there a specific reason it's at this weird angle, slightly pushed to the side?

>>4525464
Thanks for the feedback. The reason you don't see the left arm is because there is none, the tentacles popping from his shoulder are the arm. I realized kinda late into the drawing that I should have drawn the wrapping lines to suggest those tentacles are pointed toward the viewer, but by then erasing it would have been too messy. I'll try to keep the details more focused nest time.

working on becoming professional but feel I'm still years off. will be posting a wip as well since this is a bit older and I feel like it's not the best analog for my abillity

Here's the wip. I want to do card-art and or splash illustrations

>>4525498
>>4525501
If by card art you mean for things like MTG, you're on the right path. One of the most important aspect of MTG art its readability at both full size and at a few inches large. The WIP is good at full size, but the value structure makes it hard to discern on my phone screen. I don't know to much about splash illustrations so I won't comment on that.,

The salamander thing is really good. No joke better than 100% of posters I've seen on /ic/, and I hope to be on that level eventually. The only thing I can suggest is that is doesn't have the amount of detail that is typical of an average MTG card.

You definitely have the skill needed to GMI. Take commissions if you don't already, stream on Twitch if you're comfortable with it, and post to reddit for some free publicity. If you aren't familiar with reddit, check out /r/imaginarynetwork and /r/mtgporn (it's sfw).

pls help

>>4525498
This one really nails that mtg vibe, and like the other anon said it reads really well as a thumbnail

Just fully moved up from fancy highschool scribbles and recently learned how to draw coherent objects. Cant do much more than that though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVYzoYny0rQ

lets have it

>>4525513
>>4525526
Thank you. I do get the feeling I over-rendered for both though, it's hard to not do that with only my self imposed limitations. I do take commissions but I haven't gotten any in years, my computer can't handle streaming but I will check out the reddit pages cheers

>>4525498
Focus on your levels- the image is pretty washed out and some elements blend together.

>>4525464
Lol
>>4525464
>>4525466
Thank you very much for the feedback, honestly didn't notice the odd proprtions but I will def try and focus on doing planes of the face and proprtions. Faces are usually the hardest for me desu so Im glad I have a new recourse to look at.

>>4525429
Lol
>>4525464
>>4525466
Thank you very much for the feedback, honestly didn't notice the odd proprtions but I will def try and focus on doing planes of the face and proprtions. Faces are usually the hardest for me desu so Im glad I have a new recourse to look at.

>>4523656
that's not /beg/ at all

anon, what did you practice to get simplified shapes like that? I understand body structure pretty well and am able to simplify BUT i can't seem to get such pleasing shapes. I just have no idea what practice does it result from. Better line accuracy? Gesture? Or even better anatomy knowledge? What should I practice?

>>4523647
please tell me, I usually don't even get a response

where Go from here

>>4525498
you are being a little timid with the values and plane changes, you can allow yourself to exaggerate the volumetrics of the salamander alot more, showing how the planes relate to the very ambient light.

Ofcourse not to say go really contrasty, that would also start working against the mood, but bigger commitments to planar changes instead of washing out the values. Really show its a cylinder going round and round.

Same goes for the pillar, use the cracks as opportunities to show how they wrap around the form, be wary if you are simply drawing them flat on like graphics. This should be applied to the Salamander as well - use its pattern to show the volumetrics of the body, how its turning in space - be wary of the drawing aspects - how the joints attach, how they sit in space. for example - im not convinced by the upper lower leg.

Compositionally you crowded both corners, which in a way makes the image more of an icon - graphic and symmetrical, but you are not utilizing the ground plane to show z-depth, showing how a texture would compress into space, currently your depth is created through a very flat overlap stacking that makes the background look like a theater-stage

The pillar also tapers in a strange way, its thick at the bottom, but thin at the top - think of the design of the pillar as well - what structure would it belong to, is it an old castle, is it a tower? How did it fall apart?

The trees or the area around could also be burnt more or slightly on fire - would give you an opportunity to introduce other odd light sources that would hit the salamander from different angles than the ambient fog light - you could use this to again exaggerate the read and planar changes of the salamander, and to compositionally create more smaller micro compositions.

>>4525962
Back to fundamentals

>>4525987
cont.

t seems you nudged your way into this piece, and youve done very well - the read would have been stronger had you planned a massing and distribution of shadow and light more clearly from the beginning - look up Jaime Jones process, spend more time in the big-picture design phase.

Your overall skill is good, and you are doing a lot with what you have. My advice would be to spend time in both camps: Graphical and Volumetric.
One
Spend time honing your compositional design, simplifying lighting schemes to pure black and white and knowing what information to keep in and what to edit out for a more clear and appealing read.

Two -
Simple volumetric control, cylinders, boxes etc - texturing on top of them, draw a lot from imagination and draw through (but im sure you are already doing this)

Good luck, you will get there for sure!!

>>4525991
I have.

>>4526104
Clearly you haven't done enough. Go back to them again. Value, anatomy, 3d forms, perspective, gesture, proportions. They are sorely needed and severely lacking in your work. But if you want to keep thinking you've got them down when you haven't, and as a result keep being a mediocre artist, that's on you.

All of the issues I see in your work come from lacking fundamentals.

>>4526108
Ok chill nigga I meant I have been trying but idk guess ill just keep doing it

>>4525962
Crappy sketchy lines, zero Shadow zero highlight, no wrinkles in the cloth, flat fingertips didn't draw the feet, no emotion in the face

>>4525797
Looks like a very cool beginning to a painting but you gotta fill it in.

>>4525524
It's pro level. What do you want from us

>>4525524
Cool,

If you want to improve you should practise having good simple volume control, and working the whole pose and drawing in its entirety.
You are decent at rendering, but this approach of noodling your way to a finished picture will hinder your development in the long run - its a series of slow guessworks that eventually could lead to a finished thing that was worthwhile. (some of the time)

Im sure if you took this specific piece, and redrew it in pencil a couple of times, focusing more on the gesture and the composition, and only when you feel like the energy is there in the picture, and you understand spatially what is happening you render it - you would arrive at a much more convincing image.

Its way easier to finish something when the foundation of the image has been dealt with thoroughly - when you have solved the volumetrics and connections of the different forms its much easier to render them convincingly.

Keep it up! :-)

>>4526115
are you OP

>>4525524
Gud technique I like that you've focused those fundies, and I really like the atmosphere of this.

I wish you were better at design though. Maybe try mixing parts of animals together to make something monstrous or alien. More focus on shape language and composition would be nice to see from you too.

>>4523647
OP pls
i want to draw better and more

>>4526125
ok ill try to keep the volumes in mind. and love the tip about redrawing it, definitely going to try that on a future peice. im a cereal noodler, its funny that you picked that out. its fun but youre right, the end result is very hit or miss. thanks for the tips.

>>4526168
i appreciate it, yes my design skills need a lot of work. its something im working on right now tho its hard to tell if im progressing.

>>4523647
Here you go. I feel like my things look pretty dead right now, and I have no idea what I'm doing with rendering.
And even though it's kinda coomerish, I actually do very little coomer stuff, this is just the last thing I did.

>>4526238
noodling is fun, and its good to do it sometimes and just see where the piece takes you, but its a very inconsistent way of working, and you can easily dodge solving your image by just changing it to something you could more easily draw - so sometimes its more fruitful to try and tackle the difficult area and see if you can make it look natural or appealing.

Anyway, i just wanted to also say, its not that you cant noodle ever, do it for fun still - it was more that i could kind of see the way you worked the image, and doing it that way can sometimes be like dancing around the "problem" or the overall thing.

Alright, ill shut up now, have fun dude! :-)

>>4525550
>Just fully moved up from fancy highschool scribbles and recently learned how to draw coherent objects.
No you didn't

>>4526318
oh i totally agree. ill never stop, however 80% of my art is noodling so its good to have a reminder to pull back and work more structured. im a master at dancing around the problem areas lol

op here, was sleeping but im back.

>>4525190
try to pay more attention to peridot proportions, just see the simple forms on her design and you will make it a lot better. try to use something to measure the parts of her body.


>>4525498
the maain problem of this piece is the skin color of the monster is the same of the smoke and background. you should make the skin more dark, check bazelgeuse from monster hunter for thee head, i think that kind of magma under the head scales will boost this to the sky.

>>4525501
this one gonna have the same problem, you need to push the vaaaalues aa bit more to make the character the main focus of the piece, the only thing i dont like from this one is how the nose looks attached to the head.

>>4525524
move the arm, aim for a position where you can see the hand. and do the right hand on the position of the current right, if you render the head a bit more, add some shine, some liquids like blood, your work can be in the front page of artstation.

>>4525550
use references and do this >>4523970

>>4525797
never start with the background, what if you want to add details to the design later on? already talked about this on my first post, try to find cute asian girls and use them as references for this kind of drawing, the face isnt bad but caan be a lot better. the snake tongue is really inconsistend in the weight and the bangs of the girl are just too stiff, try to give hair a bit more of dinamism the next time.


>>4525962
just stop chicken scratching, the lines dosnt have to be perfect or complete, but they need to be clean, proportions are good, but the body lack musculature, there are some good tutorials for clothes in the internet too. tried to keep the anatomy like yours.


>>4526189
only problem is the face, maybe the whole body is too large but not that much, make the eyes bigger, reduce the chin and connect the mandible

>>4526288
you have the idea of how light works, but the forms of the tits and the abs aareaa is wrong, already said this but what you need to be a coomer artist is good faces and appealing tits/ass, focus on making the whole body delicious, see what you like in women, download a lot of ref and study them, focus on round forms and lines on the body.

>>4523647
>>4523970
>>4523996
>>4524140
>>4524316
>>4525173
>>4526442
Hello? Based department?

>>4526189
>oooooooh my god is this chainsawman???

>>4525987
>>4525998
holy shit man thanks for the fantastic feedback. I wish I had gotten this while I was working on it. thank you for this.

some context to the tower: I had originally design the image with a sharp 3-point perspective, but struggled getting the foreground elements to read well. Because of this, I cropped it, removing a lot of the foreground elements. But doing this brought on it's own issues like the lack of depth, and as I pushed through it I compressed the values too much, weakening the overall picture. This is an issue that echoes throughout my work. The image I included with this post feels like it suffers from the same. I often struggle to find how I should portray the foreground and because of this everything feels, like you said, staged on a theater and not real life. On Top of that, while I render I tend to move everything towards a middle value unintentionally and find myself throwing multiply layers overtop of it constantly to try to bring the value down.

I'll be taking your advice and adding 3 /2 tone composition studies and cylinders/cones + texturing to my dailes. hoping I can get some mileage on that so my current wip doesn't suffer the same fate.

and again, thank you for the effort you put into this. I know putting critique on this site is a gamble on whether the person listens or pushes you away and calls you a ponce. I respect the risk you too and appreciate it

>>4526442
thank you for the advice for both. Funny enough, the base colors I did for the salamander where based off the marco bucci video where he paints color in grayscale view. Theoretically (if marco's point is to be believed) the color should be fine being the same as the background, but that would only happen if I didn't fuck up the values as hard as I did.

as for the other, I'm going to better connect the fold at the base of his nose to the rest of the face and focus on darkening the main body more, leaving the outstretched palm in light so it gets more depth

thank you again for the feedback senpai

>>4523647
Who are you?

>>4526487
yeah, so what?

how do i get used to basic shapes properly instead of going with skeleton lego like in img2?
whenever i try to go with basic shapes i just can't seem to properly break it down and everythings misplaced/misconnected

>>4526624

>>4524316
>you let ic get into your head about drawing from imagination and anime. just pick your favorite artists and directly copy them to improve. anime isnt that hard
But that's not true. Both the face and the pose are from references. I'm currently doing a lot of copies and trying to deconstruct better images but none of it seems to be making any difference.

>>4526637
based kek

>>4526627
your style looks very familiar, hmmmmm

>>4526735
do i know you?

>tfw no response
>mass replyer just skips over you

>>4527044
Who were you? Op/mass replyer seems to be a massive faggot so who cares.

>>4527044
i know i miss some of the posts, can you (you)?

>>4527054
crab mad

>>4527058
I hope this isn't op, cause cringe.

>>4526777
no, sorry, my first thought was that you draw just like snubi
but i'm just fucking blind sorry

>>4527044
Reply with your post and I'll give you feedback. I'll be thorough

>>4526564
no problem, i wasnt OP by the way, just thought your work looked like you were trying and putting in effort, so it deserved a (hopefully helpful) crit with a little effort also.

if thats a current wip of yours, the soldiers in the snowy place, you are already making a lot of progress - the snow is a potential for creating an interesting graphical pattern with lost and found edges btw - you can play with omission of detail and purposefully flattening the image with the snow, while retaining depth through the place where the snow is graphically broken by trees or ground showing!


:-))))

>>4523647

>>4526442
thanks for the tips OP, im hoping to make an artstation account very soon

>>4523650

>>4523970
>stop being cringe, that dick on the wall, stop with that humour.
i would've listened to you but sorry, my cooms come with mental retardation, no refunds

>>4525202
are u a lesbian

>>4523658
look more closely at reference material. I can tell you understand a lot but there's more information to take in.

>>4525190
stop making homosexual cartoon cp demon

>>4527716
I'm a dude. i'd be rather surprised if i were a lesbian somehow.

>>4523689
Your main issue is proportion. The size of the hands compared to chest, head, etc. Is all about 10% off in consistency and that makes it a bit uncanny.

>>4523647
Critique this, i worked hard on it.

>>4525063
just keep drawing you already get it. tighten up some details like hands

>>4525202
draw something other than demon women. super old at this point

>>4525498
good shapes, lacks effective darker tones

its very cartoony, but what could be improved?

>>4527818
true. but usually what i draw is spur of the moment. so demon girls maybe sometimes. but they wont be a huge staple probably

>>4525498
Great stuff anon. Some of the best work I've seen on /ic/. The only thing I would recommend is to push your values more. Try looking at your piece in grayscale (luminosity mode).

>>4523647
Thank you anon

>>4523647
I would appreciate the feedback

>>4527905
I am not the cocksucking OP but as a serious Vajrayana practitioner (and artist), I say this to pretty much everyone who tries to work spiritual/occult themes into their work....

Also, looks trace-ish. Speciially the feets.identify your weak spots and grind the fuck outbof them until the need for obscuration and tricks goes away.

Phocus on Asian religious/occult iconography, specifically Taoist (and Shinto if you are depicting Japs).
Why?
1) The mishmash of random Jewish, alchemical, “hermetic” and Taoist images is distracting in ways that take one away from the art and into their heads. If they know what the images mean they might even feel spiritually competitive, one-uppish impulses.

2) From a story standpoint (Assuming you are working on a manga, otherwise why draw in manga style?), if you have to work in any of the themes, phocusing on one or two BELIEVABLE spiritual systems will cut down on the necessary background research. Nothing is more cringe than people using religious themes they dont (or barely) understand.

>>4527958
How do you even live with yourself? I would be unable to live with those impulses and thoughts.
Christ.

>>4527905
I am not the cocksucking OP but as a serious Vajrayana practitioner (and artist), I say this to pretty much everyone who tries to work spiritual/occult themes into their work....

Phocus on Asian religious/occult iconography, specifically Taoist (and Shinto if you are depicting Japs).
Why?
1) The mishmash of random Jewish, alchemical, “hermetic” and Taoist images is distracting in ways that take one away from the art and into their heads. If they know what the images mean they might even feel spiritually competitive, one-uppish impulses.

2) From a story standpoint (Assuming you are working on a manga, otherwise why draw in manga style?), if you have to work in any of the themes, phocusing on one or two BELIEVABLE spiritual systems will cut down on the necessary background research. Nothing is more cringe than people using religious themes they dont (or barely) understand.

Also, looks trace-ish. Speciially the feets.identify your weak spots and grind the fuck outbof them until the need for obscuration and tricks goes away.

tell me something i don't know already, OP

>>4528523
another one if it helps

i think my job is done, all you have to do is give critique like some anons did, yall can be better than shitposting fags

shitposters can be stop with real critique, just ignore them and help people who need it.

there is nothing for me on this board, i hope one day you leave too.

>>4528502
I do not mind other people's feedback.
1) The character I drew is a Hermetic from our Mage, WoD campaign. The concept is that he's tattooed himself with the symbols he may need to practice magic. He's the Yinyang as a non-dual symbol. However, I think I understand what you're saying.
2) I draw in manga style because well it is the only style I've known drawing to. Any suggestions on how to move forward would be appreciated. Also, I'm not trying to defend myself here and certainly I would not call myself an expert but I have read some into spiritual themes. After I read the Bhagavad Gita I now moved to Corpus Hermeticum.

I was surprised to find worthy critique in ic since previous attempts at it had failed. Thank you my anon.

any critique or advice on this sketch in progress would be appreciated. i'm a gouache artist but i'm just now getting back into digital

very beginner. I can only copy drawings poorly so far

>>4529022
Not the OP, but using a reference is what most artists do. It's how I learned initially.

>>4523647
I haven't been feeling confident in anything I've been making lately, and I'm like lost on following my gut when it comes to making coom art.

>>4529238
And I feel I spend too long on trying to make things perfect rather than just moving on.

>>4529244
Sorry for the spam
This was something I made years ago, it didn't take long to do but I enjoyed it. I wouldn't know how to mesh fun shapes into coom material.

jus a doodle. she smol.
drawing's bout an inch tall.

>>4528922
Heh. Had to Google WoD.
I am not trying to denigrate your spiritual insight/reading level. Just warn that spiritual and especially occult (Hermetic for example) oriented people tend to be obsessive geeks, often taking pride in their knowledge and tend to pick shit apart when it might not even be your main area of interest when it comes to your character.
But since your image is for a RPG ( I think?) I don’t think you need to worry really. It’s not like you will have to describe or depict actual Hermetic magical Workings or a Detailed knowledge of Cabala etc.

Frankly if your hands and feet are drawn and not traced, (or drawn by you and then drawn over for a clean line) then you are doing really good bro. If you are not pursuing art training on a really serious level no worries. You’re good to go. If you are, keep your eye out for sales at places like NMA, or whatever you see around here that turns you on.

>>4525571
another of my favorite artists on this site, your work have a very unique style, these are personal preferences but i think you should add a bit more of form to some areas to improve the sexual appeal of the piece aka pander coomers on social media.

>>4527140
nice, keep goin for this path, try to reduce the line weight, perspective on the legs is good, but can be a lot better.

>>4527313
check old sakimichan works, try to see what makes a male face appealing and adapt that your work, instead of doing these weird small lines, try to work with

>>4527626
this is good, eyes a bit separated but i like how simple is, a lot of soul anon.

>>4527845
draw her nude first anon, then draw the clothes, i recommend trying with some shonens, copy the panels where characters are just chilling, then move to fights or action panels.

>>4527892
i like this, change the popsicle to a light blue, there are some little mistakes, like his left arm being too but in general good job.

>>4527958
body and perspective arent that bad but the face kills the piece, try to emulate your favorite artists faces/heads.

>>4528506
anatomy is good, the characters look a lot like the originals but this lineart is terrible anon, try a brush with more line weight variation, double line in some areas, lineart dosnt have to be perfect, just readable and appealing, there are a lot of mangakas that you can check.

>>4528523
>>4528527
your art look like generic asian art, isnt bad, but you are half the way. your anatomy and render need a bit of work, try to focus on pushing your values to more darker tones and dont blend them, learn when a shadow is solid and when is not.

i dont know what this is so i gonna assume is a peach. you need to add more light, and blend some areas and you will be fine.

>>4529022
because you are directly drawing without a process

>>4529238
not as bad as you think, problem is that everything lack texture or form, like everything is made of the same

still work in progress

>>4529238
cont. try to use more line variation, adding more details, more volume to the hair.

>>4529244
same as last one, more details. every character look like it was draw be a different artist, try to be more consistent with your style, if you want to draw coom art with simple shapes i recommend you to check herny https://twitter.com/HernyEd

>>4529282
good, t check the work of nuclear wasabi on twitter, maybe that kind of style suit you.

>>4529473
face have appeal, but the rest of the body have several problems, you can fix a lot of these with some anime references,

>>4528499
It's just a drawing bro.

>>4529468
I'm >>4527958 can you be more specific about what's wrong with the face? I like it but recognize she's missing some cranial mass now that i look at it again.

>>4529564
here's another drawing.

>>4523869
blog?

>>4523647

I did this yesterday >>4526780

Just wanna make it one day.

rendering books is gonna be fun :)

also teach me sensei!

I’m trying to get better at rendering this is a study help me senpai

>>4530576
Too flat! Don't be afraid to really pull out the pure blacks and whites where they are needed. Pic related is a recent study of mine. I'm not the best, but I am learning to be more confident in capturing the full range of values when studying. Your figure looks good, just make sure you are using references that cover a lot of the possible tonal range so you can really get into studying dynamic values.

>>4530582
Ye boss

>>4527313
Holy shit dude I love it.

>>4529468
>because you are directly drawing without a process
Not that guy, but how did you develop a process if you don't read artbooks?

>>4530576
I know that sexy grey tummy, good choice m8

>>4530603
I see ur a man of culture as well

It´s really late. I read you later OP.

sure why not.

This is what I did yesterday.

>>4523647
How do I make the skin not plastic ?

>>4524359
top 10 still posting /ic/ artists for me and still I dont have your blog

>>4530819
Not OP but I like it very much. What is your approach for constructing the figure? I see few lines so I take it they were cleaned up?

>>4530948
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGgo0EE8ats

I do boxes to get the main pose for hips and ribcage. Then draw a head and put it in place/ the limbs just straight lines with circles at the joints.

I just copy pictures of other artists I like but i'm starting to draw more from memory.

>>4530091
https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/24103472

>>4530845
use airbrush more carefully. or at least paint over it

>>4529022

Remember, every old master began by copying. Keep at it!

>>4524205
shine

>>4529494
I made some corrections based on what you told me, I hope this is an improvement and not worse than my last attempt

>>4531473
>Don't use black lines and use a texture brush for it. Plenty of examples from lewd anime art. >Look into line weight.
>Less individual lines when drawing hair, group by larger shapes first.
Different annon but those are my points

>>4527143
i've seen him before

>>4527313
Nice

You are slowly noodling your way to a finished thing, theres no problem with that, but from looking at how you are treating the face you need to be aware of the simple planer changes a bit more.

Process wise, it would be way easier to change the planes in the textural and linear way that you are doing on top of a block in thats much more clear and well constructed.

While the overall read is good, and the image has a lot of spirit, you are losing form, or confusing certain areas - im not sure if this is whether you dont know what happens there, and the scribbly textural style is to make up for your uncertainty, or whether it is intentional - either way i would recommend treating the planes in big strokes a little bit again.

Good luck :-)

>>4531554
You draw like a hot female

pls help senpais

>>4526487
Goes into my rare wojak folder

>>4531828
Yikes

>>4531833
PYW fag

i'm looking for criticism not reddit buzzwords

>>4531866
Cope

ty

Almost done with this. I just started on the whale

>>4523647
Thanks in advance if youre still critiquing OP

>>4532297
will do that tomorrow.

>>4532602
Thanks! I appreciate it

>>4523647
here's a wip of somethin

I can see a lot of things to improve, one of my first paintings, but could you or anyone say it clearer? I want to do decent shit

Please help! I've been practicing a lot but not specifically pinups. Where do I go from here and what should I improve on? Thanks!

A request I just did, all of my 'finished' stuff looks like that.

>>4528789

hey why did op skip this one

Yes, I need to know.

>>4523647
Please. This is one of the last better ones but I still don't feel satisfied.

Ignore >>4532193, if you’re still alive

>>4535023
I’m still not done yet, forgot to add

>>4523647
I work a lot with line, but I want to move out of my comfort zone and get more used to being lineless.
Things always get fuzzy at the edges.

>>4531828
this is literally a mixture of 5 styles in one, if you want big tiddy muscular woman, i recomend you checking krekk0v art.

>>4531945
i think you should ad more details to the front mountains. the water need works too, check the work of florent lebrun

>>4532297
not a big fan of pop style, the main problem is that you tried to keep proportions right, thats not how this kind of style works anon.

>>4532762
i like the amount of detail, but in some areas is just a mess, check gants or berserk for more consistent "scractch" shadows, guy standing anatomy need some work too.

>>4532789
devianart looking ass art. everything on this is a red flag. assuming this isnt ironic, you should learn what appeal is, watch some anime, cartoon or mangas.

>>4532991
>t but not specifically pinups. Where do I go from here and what should I improve on? Thanks!

>>4532991
this piece, i feel you. you are moving from simple poses to perspective, start practicing with 3d objects, for the arm cylinders, draw them in different points of view and after an hour, try drawing body parts, like t hat arm

>>4533352
anatomy. hands should be below coochie. practice with more fluid pieces as references, google clothes and study.

>>4533588
good, focus on cleaning a bit, not too much, and the errors will pop up. you will notice how some areas of the body end wacky, study more anatomy.

>>4534483
check eu03, your work is really similar to him years ago.

>>4535023
work around real animals, if you are using whales, just google photos of whales, draw them and add details. for example draw like the magma is breaking his skin, like magma.

>>4535315
taking risks out of your comfort zone, thats good anon, maybe focusing on big coomer artists will improve this, try to be more stylized, that way you can hide some mistakes.

>>4535315
Here it is lineless.

>>4535375
Messed with the dude and finished it, how's it look?

>>4525173
>>4525210
just curious, was there anything specific (e.g. the nose) in >>4525080 that gave it that vibe?
?

>>4523647
roast me breh

>>4535522
looks better, a lot better

>>4535528
is a combination of everything on the face. that kind of artist define race or nationality by exagerating some facial features. in this case the nose and the eyes.

>>4535531
are you schizophrenic? not trying to be funny or rude but i meet a few artists that are that draw like this.

>>4529256
i like this a lot more than the other things you posted. lewd art can still have a lot of fun shapes, maybe practice from pinup pictures if you need ideas for poses?

>>4535547
>are you schizophrenic?
no offense taken, but I'm not schizo my dude

have another

How do I keep studying without burnout or thoughts of suicide?

Males are hard

>>4535547
>are you schizophrenic? not trying to be funny or rude
no worries my dude, I am not schizo though

have another

>>4535547
>are you schizophrenic? not trying to be funny or rude
no worries my dude, I am not schizo though

have another

>>4527140
>>4529468
Thanks I'll keep drawing horny naked orcs

stop being a baby

Danm I thought this thread was dead! sorry for not responding

>>4527856
Holy shit what a difference! I think the only off thing here would be some of the edges in the sky I tried to lose pop too much here but god that's such an easy fix. I'm going to go back and improve it so it's better for my portfolio. Thank you fampai

>>4527263
Thanks! that other piece I posted was before the salamander, I had made it as a directed piece to try to apply to a historical card-game job.spent time studying acurite armywear from my favourite era and army. Unfortunately, the listing went down before I finished it. It still ended up being something I felt could go into my site to be a good body of work. I'll take the flattening of snow in mind, I remember listening to something with Gregory manchess where he commented on the reason he loved painting so was what you mentioned here, where it loses so much edges that it pushes the depth of objects when they do show up, wayyy apart

Included here are some short 15-30 min 3-tone studies I did since today's my day off, felt like I had to keep my word for the good folks in here. re-watching scott robertson and peter han stuff to get my texturing up to par as well

thank you again for everything everyone has posted here. I kinda threw my art up without thinking that much was going to happen.Cheers!

im lazy, and i need some critique.

>>4524359
Those stripes and lines on the spoon flatten the forms quite a lot, consider giving more curvature to them.

>>4529238
Bad.
>>4529244
Bad.
>>4529256
Amazing and endearing.

Go back to your roots, anon. Don't lose your way.

OP I'm not going to post anything, but thank you for delivering this much.
You're allowed to crab on people like there's no tomorrow for the entirety of May if you want.

is it ok to ask now? lol

>>4535375
>>4536874

you missed my post >>4530113

>>4538301
If OP's still around I'd be up for learning what to work on.

>>4535375
Whale Anon
Thank you based OP

What's wrong with my stuff OP? Bottom 2 are drawings I think came out well, top 2 I think are sub par, granted they're sketches but I don't want to polish turds

>>4527086
ur the only cringe one here nigga

I've spammed this shit but I'm curious how I can improve my faces

>>4539352
You can't. They're perfect

I wanna improve :> What should I work on?

>>4539541
for contemporary art like this u dont need to anymore. But no one takes cont art seriously unless its trad

>>4539549
I getcha, thanks!
This is actually a gift for my sister, I normally draw hentai trash lol (wip, pic related) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Hitler

Hitler

>>4539724
Is this from 'The Sacrament'? Looks great

>>4525498
Sorry for the autistic post but for some reason this gave me a shit ton of motivation as a newbie struggling to find a grasp on all this.

>>4539761
No but it does look like Father more than what I was attempting to draw, I fucked up the likeness, it's supposed to be Ken Copeland.

>>4539915

>>4539915

>>4539915
lol how do you post right side up fucks sake.

>>4539915
Just pished this out. I know my lines are crappy and proportions are obviously off. I do this for fun and to channel mental illness and nightmares. Not interested in drawing waifus or perfect figures.

How do get better, oh wise artistes? More drugs?

i hate how the nose turned out

>>4540171
oh, forgot to mention, still in progress, but i guess you could figure it out.

>>4535559
aply them, lightly, where it would make most impact to nail forms, later on you wont need to construct everything

keep art the only thing giving you such bad feelings, sort the rest and it will be fine

>>4540500
Good stuff, but some of the construction is off. The way her underwear just lays flatly against her buttcheek/thigh, instead of curving with the contour. Also her form is awkwardly positioned for her ass to be in that plane. Work on gesture and laying down 3D forms, especially in the torso.

>>4540504
thank you, i knew the angle her ass/legs are on was a little wonky but i wasnt sure what to do
thanks for the tips anon!

>>4523647
give critique

>>4539562
Based and hot

>>4523647
hello, feel free to critique my art.

>>4523647

>>4540927

I still want to clean up the lines a bit and add shines. I think the FX and weapon also need work

>>4523647
Still a beg here and I know theres a lot I need to work on but would like some outside criticism

>>4540575
Not op, i like this except for the eyes they seem too symbol-ey

>>4540967
Thanks, I think the eyes need to be rotated on the face a bit and the one on the right I struggled with a bit.

>>4538638
not op but your hands are pretty big. shading and values are almost nonexistent and it needs detail work with the face, especially the eyes

>>4527958
>>4529564
>>4529567
Not one of the guys you replied to, but yeah, there's anatomical problems such as the brain space or stiff poses
Your drawings have appeal, though
Blog?

>>4537512
face is ugly unless that's intended. her tits are also pretty fucked up, one of em is smaller and both of them look like they're floating or being grabbed by an invisible hand

>>4540872
its an abstract kind of feel.
>>4540927
Aside from the obvious line cleanup you pointed out, I think the right arm's forearm needs some more shading on it since the biceps should be casting a shadow over it, the way its shaded now kind of gives it a "from the side" look

Faces look weird, pls help.

>>4542113
they look decent to me, maybe the right one's nose is a bit off from the rest of the face's angle. Also maybe darken your shadows from the hair a bit

>>4523647
>/beg/ without all the shitty crabs
10/10, I actually learned something art related

Might as well.
I've been told the face doesnt match the body. I'm trying to develop a simple style that looks good with just line work but is distinct. Feel free to critque and if you have anyone you might recommend who has made it with what Im looking for do tell.

>>4542148
More of what I'm looking for

>>4542148
mannish jaw, head too long body too short is my first impression. Hair line is also kinda off imo. here's my attempt at fixing it

>>4542177
That does look better. I decided to leave them like that because I wanted to keep it stylized but in the end it comes off as weird looking. The balance between stylization, shape language and how it affects anatomy in a way that pleases the eye, but also conveys realism is not something I can do yet. Thanks for the edit anon

>>4542148
The main problem for me is her pose. Her center of gravity is way past her feet, so she should be falling over.

Might as well

>>4524985
>who or what is the sticky?
how did you get here

>>4542209
very good, very good

>>4541135
https://twitter.com/grafeisen7/media

>>4535559
this mean you dont enjoy the process, try change the method.

>>4535573
more refs

>>4536903
good colors
nice birb, you just need to focus more on details and fix the legs a bit.

>>4537178
good work with the line shading, keep it up.

>>4537512
you trolling or probably blind

>>4537542
keep doing what you are doing

>>4537958
more anatomy study, less scratching

>>4538638
i started like this when i decided to draw seriously, best recomendation: focus on a style, you will regret it later i f you dont

>>4539352
pretty good

>>4539359
cute, send it to cn

>>4539541
cant help you chief

>>4539562
dont draw niples like that, it looks d isgusting, also they are placed wrong

>>4539619
check jojo, the anime, not the manga

>>4539620
14 yo drawing

>>4539724
keep goin

>>4539738
dont know shit about animals

>>4539915
>>4539940
>>4539960
>>4539965
>>4540085
???

>>4539925
you need to use lines to shadow, reducing the amount to play with values, the beard is the most weak spot. check some beard tutorials on youtube

>>4540494
nice values, good anatomy. go for style and move

>>4540517
work with lines, push values and play with the light a bit more, specially in hair

>>4540575
new thread favorite piece, keep goin anon.


>>4540927
more arms mean more positions and thats more learning.

>>4540964
this is pixiv generic art, i would say that the eyes are really good but you proably mimic them from another artist, this kind of anime style have 0 value in social media, avoidd this.

>>4542113
there are a few things that feel off but i gonna believe that the reason is because is a practice. if not, the cheeks on the right one, they feeel like a separed piece of meat, that makes the upper lip look like an ape

>>4542148
use the head shape as ref for the body, this head feels like a V shape, b ut the body have too many curves.

>>4542516
search a photo of a pig, look how it works.

>>4542743
get o ut of ic

>>4543515
>more arms mean more positions and thats more learning.

is that a compliment that I went so far, advice to make more poses, or criticizim that my arm positions are bad?

>>4542106
>>4540927
updated

>>4543515
Bro what wrong with mine?>>4542743

>>4542209
I didnt put a comment, but i drawing pet portraits and this is one, what do u think? Im not sure about the hair color, maybe i’ve change the color for other more... white and more thin

>>4534483
I dont like the boobs

>>4530576
Do you have an account where i can follow you?

>>4542106
>>4540927
shiny and clean

>>4543734
Im not that guy, but i think you r good

>>4543774
I was considering lowering the opacity of the line layer and making a softer look, what donyou guys think?

>>4543849
>>>4543774 #
I would change the color of the shadow, for a more reddish or perhaps another shade