/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Some ground rules to start this thread and the next /beg/ threads off:

>if you are /beg/
Don't ever give advice.
You can relate and share your hardships with other /beg/s, but never give them advice.
If you MUST give advice, start the reply off with "I'm beg, but what worked for me is..."

>Before you post your work
1. Every person giving advice here expects for you to have atleast read some of the sticky, and that you already know what you should be doing to improve.
In that light, replies such as "grind more fundamentals" are perfectly viable advice.
We expect you to know what the general fundamentals are (gesture, anatomy, perspective, drapery, etc.), and we expect you to know where you can find resources to practice these subjects.
Sometimes literally the only good advice to give is to practice more and improve you technique.

2. DO NOT post your 5 minute sketches that you didn't put much thought into. If you do post them then make sure to ask for SPECIFIC advice on a specific subject.
If you post a doodle and ask "where did i go wrong" or "how should I continue from here", expect to get meme replies such as "Loomis".

Follow these simple rules and the generals will become much more productive for both the /beg/s and the people giving advice.

>>4513543
>if you are /beg/ Don't ever give advice.
Then nobody would ever get advice in here. But I agree you should say that you are /beg/.

Some bridgman copies

Am I gonna make it?

And then applying what I have "learned" from the copies.
It just doesn't look good

I've been busy.

am i gonna make it? what else do i learn from

how many times do i have to draw that fucking igor to get rid of symbol drawing?

>>4513550
Memepost somewhere else

>>4513587
Y don’t you just do keys to drawing instead

>>4513552
/beg/ level advice - pay more attention to proportions.

My goal with this one here was trying to improve at colors.

>didnt put much effort into the background, so no need to critique it, i guess.
>Changed the haircolor, otherwise stayed really close to the reference image/ traced a bit
>all in all, for my current skill level, im kinda happy with the results. Still lots of stuff to improve at
>the hair sucks. Dont really know how i could tackle it best/ what i should do differently
>Everything looks rough (well... it is). Probably nice if you want to go for that painterly style, but how do i manage to make it smooth? (using krita)
>obviously, tried to work without those black outlines. (mostly)
>Fingers are fucked (didnt put much effort into it)

Any other advice to improve, or some flaws im lacking the knowledge to see/ name/ put my finger on it?

>>4513600
Not beg

>>4513600
>>4513601

fuck, format way bigger then i thought. Sorry for that. Isnt it? Kinda still feel like beg, with how much stuff i still dont really grasp.

>>4513597
idk man this is frustrating, i just need more practicing

>>4513543
I'm beg, but go fuck yourself.

>>4513601
/Beg/ is basically /begint/ now.

>>4513601
Shitty paintings from reference are /beg/ you retard

>>4513612
Not sure why everyone is suddenly all pissy about the skill level of the thread. Every single /beg/ thread including the last one and this one >>4513552 has had plenty of people posting their day zero /beg/ exercises. Obviously if you just started drawing and youwant to post here then you're in good company.

How do I gain speed? I know that a lot of things come automatically with mileage, but I would like to know if there's a way or a process that speeds things up even on my current skill level.

>>4513620
I'm not sure either. I was just saying that's basically what the thread is now with /int/s failure. I'm fine with intermediates posting here

Fuck off back to /int/, you're all infuriatingly int and have no place among actual/beg/

>>4513624
Is this some kind of weird psy op?
Every pic in the thread so far has been /beg/.

>>4513624
How /beg/ are you to think these people are /int/. Maybe we need a pre-/beg/ stage thread for people like you.

what do you think

Does anyone have any more examples of pics like this where good artists show their construction stage? There's that one krenz pic that's been posted a lot lately where he's doing some construction/perspective practice of a pose from multiple angles, I would appreciate it if someone could post that again, are there any other examples?

>>4513628
>>4513626
>the /int/lets out themselves
lol nice try shitting on an actual/beg/ fot being on the /beg/ thread.
gtfo of my general unless you want to give advice that doesn't amount to
>just grind fundies

>>4513636
How embarrassing

>>4513635
I found the krenz pic.
I just want to find more stuff like this, high quality body lineart / bodies in the construction phase to compare my own constructions to.

>>4513597
I tried to fix it and this
Please tell me it looks better than b4...

>>4513635
the first drawing is pretty cute desu

No longer will I mindlessly copy anime without understanding the construction.
No longer will I seethe when people post "Loomis" on /beg/.
Through my trials and failures I have been reborn..:
as a fundies grinder.

At assignment A - Feet, i drew this in about six minutes, should i draw multiple feets in the 30 minute frame or really take my time and one pair of feet in 30 minutes?

>>4513592
Thank you!

>>4513668
both

>>4513662
ngmi

>>4513668
this shit takes you 6m inutes
?

>>4513676
I'm just starting out so im not very fast

>>4513671
Thank you!

>>4513621
Do you think DaVinci focused his work on speed

wip

Why do I always get so fucking drowsy when I'm drawing
Gonna have to get another pack of monster

>>4513694
It's all psychological. I speak from experience. I get fake (((sleepy))) when I'm doing something I don't want to do.
You need to get to a point where you're actively engaged in drawing and you have intrinsic interest in what you're working on, and you have a clear reason for working on it, instead of just aimlessly grinding for the sake of grinding.

wtf is going on , beg threads only last 1 day now? fucking crossboarders need to be gassed give me back my comfy threads

>>4513543
based, crab begs gonna SEEEEEETHE!

>>4513543
get lost before you get banned for spamming!

>>4513700
Sam Hyde is a pedo

>>4513707
Based pedo

>>4513655
As I said I'm ~/beg myself, and human heads is what I'm myself struggle currently. So to not multiply each other mistakes it\s more productive to return to studies/ watch read people who actually understand this shit. Put this one away, look for human proportions and draw David head or something.

>>4513733
got you, thanks alot

>>4513733
added picture

>>4513746
thanks mate

Starting portrait painting, any tips how to make this look better?

Also should I draw the people how they appear or should I make their faces more average to make them more ‘pretty’?

thoughts?

>>4513539

>>4513691
Based multidimensional baby

>>4513662
>Stage 5: Acceptance

feets

>>4513831
out of /beg/

>>4513868
Stop trolling

are there any drawabox alternatives for tablet users

>>4513873
The fuck?
How does using a tablet make a difference or not?

>>4513543
nonsense...you did not define what constitutes a /beg/. You can have a 200k twitter artblog and still beg. Or we can just say everything that post in this thread is a beg and no one is allowed to give advice.

>>4513550
Hell yeah brother!

>>4513876
the guy who made drawabox said dont use a tablet

>>4513629
Not true for drawing, everyone in /beg/ has shit confidence

>>4513886
that guy is a hack

>>4513629
Peak of Mt. Stupid should probably be in the low /int/ range or even further.
/beg/s know how bad they are because it's so obvious. Especially low /beg/. No one has ever come through these threads with their FWAP doodles thinking they were hot shit.

Do any of you have a routine/schedule? I wanna have a set routine like 20 gesture drawings/ 1 minute each/ Drawabox homework exercises etc.

>>4513895
Speak for yourself most /beg/s are like this >>4511296

Where is a good place to watch people creating pieces in realtime?

My sister love to make various schedules and then quickly abandon them. because planing how you now start to do something is feels good and like you almost already did all that planned but actually doing it is not

>>4513917
I was thinking about doing it to manage and use my time more effictively

>>4513916
Twitch has art streams.
There's Picarto too I think it's exclusively art streams, but as far as I'm aware half the streams on there are NSFW

Fuck eyes and fuck lips.

>>4513876
https://drawabox.com/article/ink he explains that when used for learning your basics, people tend to be a lot more impatient and rush more when working digitally because of how people usually associate computers with instant gratification.

Working with pen and ink gives you more respect for every line you draw, and it teaches you to think about what you're doing, rather than rushing ahead.

>>4513931
And fuck hair too.

>>4513831
Nice, top left legs/ thighs looks a bit funky, not sure if that's how ref image looked.

>>4513939
I liked your mouse drawings!

maybe you just didnt payed enough attention to a nose. And bottom plane is a bitch. eyes actually not that bad.
by the way hands is bunch of nonsense

>>4513901
Oh some people earlier in the thread have.

>>4513901
It just when people reach /beg/ threads they already on the way to the abyss of despair. But some still near peak and do not realize how bad thing are.

How many DrawABox exercises should you do each each day? Does it matter? Sorry, I don't know how long the series lasts or what sort of pace to do.

>>4513977
IM A BEG.

id say the homework exercuses which are 3 a day? I mix it up with gesture drawing and drawing figures.

I fucked up the wheels a bit but it's fine. I feel like I'm getting the jist of drawing. I did this with no references. I'm extremely familiar with cars and I was just winging curvilinear 5 point perspective. I am bored by buildings so I quickly run out of ideas to add details but maybe I'll come back to it later.

Am I degenerate?

Are there any examples of what my progress should look like after 4 months of drawing?

>>4514009
yes

>>4514018
not a thing.
and {time passed} almost irrelevant

>>4514009
> mutilated penis

Yes.

>>4514023
>>4514031
How do I stop being degenerate?

>>4513601
to the contrary, very beg

>>4513601
This is why >>4513543 is a thing.

>>4513916
Gnomon Workshop, if you're willing to pay or can find their videos somewhere.

>>4514000
This would look sweet with some coloring. Keep it up!

>>4513543
Making all the roastie begs... SEEEEETHE!

>>4513539
>Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, or you literally are never going to make it

>>4513543
>DO NOT post your 5 minute sketches that you didn't put much thought into.

Ok so I've already done an overlap and know it's horrible off from the reference. What i really need help with is the shading. My attempts to do soft shadows went horrible wrong and i immediately stopped as i have no clue what im lacking. Is it just practice or am i using the wrong kind of pencil? How do you do soft shadows?

>>4514177
It's mainly just practice although higher quality pencils and paper can help a little bit.
If you want a really soft gradation then you should shade very slowly and work in multiple light layers, at least until you get more experienced. Lay down an extremely light layer of tone with a hard pencil, then partially overlap another layer on top of it to build up a slightly darker value, then another layer, etc, slowly working up to the darkest values. You can also blend out a hard edge into a soft edge by very lightly going back and forth over the hard edge until you get the desired effect.
Don't use paper stumps or any other kind of smudging until you learn what the pencil is capable of.

Been practicing gesture today
Is this going anywhere and am I even doing it right?

>>4514188
Gonna give it another attempt so ill try to do that, thanks.

>>4514177
Can you do hard shadows well? Try drawing an outline of the dark parts, medium-dark and leaving the lightest parts while, then filling them in. Once you understand that you can blend softer edges as needed.

>>4514163
Big difference between exercise/study and random doodlings.

>>4514192
I'm a beg, but that looks like horse doodoo, and in a few minutes someone else will come along and tell you that you're not actually doing gesture.

>>4514192

anon >>4514211 is right you're not really doing gesture

there's absolutely no need for you to scribble pubes or a random titty shadow when trying to show the motion of a figure

also

> (1.75 MB, 3457x2772)

read the OP

>>4513873
I think the point is that tablets are not optimal for that type of exercises. So it would be the same with any alternative.

You can just use your tablet tho. You just not going to get critique from his site. And will be using a less optimal tool for the job.

>>4514177

> Is it just practice or am i using the wrong kind of pencil?

You're using the pencil wrong, not the wrong kind of pencil. Stop trying to plough the paper, it won't grow corn no matter how hard you etch into it

Try working much more gently and layering your darks instead of going full autismo and trying to carve chunks out of the paper

>>4513898
the guy is just listening to Peter Han, who also said "don't use a tablet"
now if you think PETER HAN is a hack then
heh

also something something pyw

>>4514211
>>4514216
How do I actually do the gesture then? I watched Proko's video several times and tried to do what he does

>>4514205
yeah, but not so much difference from

> smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying

to

>5 minute sketches that you didn't put much thought into.

You even had to lie to make your point, because you know you are wrong.

>>4514228
go back and listen to him again

watch his bean and robo bean videos too

if you try to put in the musculature on the arms or legs at least try to get them approximately right; middle woman literally has a boated middle upper arm that looks like a tapeworm

resize your pics and just keep at it. nothing that a lot of mileage and analysing your mistakes won't fix. You have absolutely no need for trying to draw in titties and abs when the rest of the figure is absolutely wonkey

I think ability to see gesture is useful but ability to quickly capture only it is less relevant when you work with photography anyway. You can always distill quick sketch to gesture but sketches have much more information. where I am wrong?

>>4514236
But proko's explanation of gestures sucks and the way he does gestures also sucks.
Should watch steve huston instead.

>>4513552
>GRIFFIIITH!!!!!!

>>4514249
even if it isn't as good, sticking through with one resource is always better than hoarding resources and hopping from one to another, leading to permabeg

>>4514249
> proko bad, beg good

>>4514192
You are in the symbol drawing stage while also focusing too much on details. Begin by looking at figures as simple lines (line of action), then build on it using simple volumetric shapes like cubes and spheres. Think very simple, the point here is not to get a good results; its to teach you to analyze gestures quickly and draw it.

>>4514235
An exercise or study takes focused work, meanwhile doodling is just relaxing. If you want to learn, then you challenge yourself by doing something that is outside your comfort zone, ie. not autopiloting your drawing.

There is a big difference between:
>5 minute sketch
and
>5 minute sketch with little thought put into

>>4513543
I BEG YOU to post your work.

2 minute gesture drawing, am i doing it right? Advice?

>>4514288
>(3.27 MB, 4032x3024)

you have already not made it

>>4514274
>You are in the symbol drawing stage
I've been told the exact same thing a month ago
And yes I did the fucking Picasso exercise and read Keys to Drawing

>>4514299
I know it can be frustrating, but you gotta keep trying if you want to go past the stage. If you are not already; only allow yourself one minute max on each gesture. Less time is ideal for warm ups so you put down few, but confident lines to capture the gesture. Giving yourself too much time will only make it harder for you to not obsess over details.

>>4514299
>only a month ago
lol, you're in for a long ride my guy.

>>4514281

> smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying

>5 minute sketches that you didn't put much thought into.

Are you really telling me that this two can not refer to the same thing?

fig

>>4513977
Did you do the lesson 0? I think he talks about it there.

>>4514192
Oh wow, it's hard to believe this thing is real

>>4514018
What really matters is how many hours in total you did draw. Even then each person would have a totally different progress rate.

Second week of studies
Started moderndayjames anatomy gumroad course

>>4514377
usual beginner scribbles. nothing uncommon

>>4514018
Mostly depends on three factors (ignoring crabthink): how many hours per day, how many hours total, study vs. drawing percentage. It is a good idea to make sure you put in the work every day so that your brain can process it while doing other things like sleeping. Overworking is not always a good idea because then it can turn into a unfocused practice. You are better of doing something else in that case, maybe give feedback to other crabs or gert some inspiration from other artists.

>>4514389
You are gonna burn out in a week

>>4514415
Why do you think so?

>>4514377
Why?

>>4514389
Keep it up. Some of your lines are very clean.

>>4514000
Im out of steam for today.

>>4514429
blog?

>>4514573
Instagram.com/nuruigumi

>>4513977
don't think of it in terms of how many each day. there are assigned pages of exercises that you're supposed to work through, so start at the first one and do your best on completing those pages. If that means you need to invest lots of time into making each mark, then do that. don't rush because you think you're supposed to be able to get things done quickly.

if you have to stop for whatever reason (take a break, arm gets tired, have other things to do), then you can stop in the middle of an exercise, or in the middle of a page. just pick it up again the next time.

then when you're done that assigned exercise, move onto the next one. it will take however long you want it to.

a lot of the first lesson's exercises has links to the drawabox guy's girlfriend doing the exercises in realtime, so you might want to look at those to see how she paces herself.

>Anon's confidence and fun that he built up for 3+ hours is destroyed instantly when going back online and seeing something far better than anything he accomplished for only 1 second
I should try harder and longer...

>>4514638
What are you even saying

reminder to not be proud of anything you've drawn using a reference. you're not an artist until you can draw well without one.

>>4513543
Good man. Keep these up. You're much needed, the newfags aren't able to comprehend.

>>4514666

What do I do after shitting out a shit sketch?

>>4514672
Ink and color it.

>>4514666

>satanic digits.

Here I didn't use a reference.

>>4514429

I speak Japanese and I draw cars all the time.

>>4514666
Demonic trips of truth

>>4514692
>truth

feel like this is a pretty beg question so

I’m supposed to try draw this from multiple directions but idk how. Am I supposed to just try it till it works or clicks or something?? It’s an assignment from loomins

What's the general age of /beg/? Sometimes I feel like I started actually studying art way too late...

>>4514730
I'm 28.

>>4514720
If I was going to do that I would first try to draw it from the side view, top view etc. Then put vanishing points on a paper and start with a cube in perspective at the angle you want the head to be and try to break down the cube. If you know how the head should look from the side you should be able to draw that side view on a cube at any angle. And just extend that side view toward the vanishing point. It should get you close and then the rest idk I would have to do some trial and error.

>>4514720
You're right, that is a pretty /beg/ question.
Start small. Can you draw a cube in different positions from imagination? See the wedge shape used to represent the jaw there? Do you think you could just take that shape by itself and draw it in different positions?

>>4514730
I'm 32 and it's embarrassing. But if you wanna get good you gotta suck first. The sooner you get through that phase the better.

>>4514730
I'm 25.

How do I into texture?

What should I draw? I'm paralyzed with all the choices available. I want to draw from imagination but I know I'm not able to without studying pictures but I'm not used to studying. I don't know what to choose. Are A4 paper a good size for studying?

>>4514749
planes?

>>4514749
Imagine the bumpy texture of the surface as a bunch of very, very tiny planes.
Whenever I draw human faces, I use a tiny 1 pixel brush to render out the planes of the skin pores.

>>4514730
General age is 20s-40s for beg.
20s-30s for alt/int and above.

>>4514790
>>4514797
the guide i've been following doesnt mention planes, probably cause it doesnt mention texture either
either of you have any helpful resources on the subject? hate to be asking for a handholding but google keeps giving me fucking aeroplanes

How to improve her mouth ? I want a mix of hatred, disgust and regret in it

>>4514824
Well, my post was a joke, but if you're a beginner, ignore texture entirely and focus on large planes, volumes, values etc.
Textures are superficial. Our brains don't even register them when looking at objects, since 90% of our vision is a blur that the brain reconstructs after the fact. If you get the values, colors and shape right, the object will be recognizable even without texture.

Note that texture isn't the same thing as material. The material of an object depends on its local value (how dark it is before the light even hits it), how shiny it is, how reflective it is, what color it is, etc.

When you're past beg, there's many ways of creating textures. Some use texture brushes, which kinda look bad imo. Top tier pros literally enlarge their canvas to 10000 pixels and paint the texture like a normal object, just zoomed in, then downsize the image again.

But in general, we recognize texture by the shape of the highlight on the object. if the highlight is smooth, the surface is smooth. If the highlight is bumpy, the surface is bumpy. If there's no highlight, we recognize it by the transition from midtone to shadow. The shape of the shadow/midtone "line" reveals the texture of the form.

>>4514734
>>4514735
tnx guys did a few quicke attempts gonna try to do a bunch more in the morning but the box thing feels like it might work

Finally sat down and gave it another shot. Fucked up the proportions again on top of feeling like the shading was ass. I just cant get an even shade where you don't see the individual lines. I also just gave up on the base, any help on what i should be doing or reading to learn how to render little details like scuff marks and scratches would be appreciated.

>>4514858
How old are you?

>>4514870
Fuck off FBI

>>4514824
>>4514859
https://guidetooilpainting.com/texture.html
also, here's where I learned about texture when I was a wee lad first visiting /ic/ years ago
believe it or not it was one of the few free resources on oil painting you could find on google back in those days, before everyone and their dog was making art tutorials
i'm still beg tier

>>4513600
resize your images before posting dumbass.

>>4513816
Haha thanks, It's going to be sort of a chrysalis/pupa type of thing. I want the scale of him small and I'm gonna put him on a small branch

>>4514429
the rear wheel in the front car doesn't look circular, even with the funky perspective

How quickly should you burning through sketchbooks? I want to do 50 gesture drawings a day (four per page) + other exercises but i feel like im wasting paper

How do I stop being so depressed whenever my drawings don't live up to my expectations? I feel like no matter how low I set them I keep displaying to myself how useless I am.

>>4513757
Work on your values and try to block your shapes right - be careful how you use your edges

Ok guys

I tried to change my workflow cause it was just not going anywhere
Here I tried drawing everything on one layer and mix it with painting I think this is a better result than my usual shit

>>4515015
is that you Asuka sempai?

>>4515057
yes :(

>>4515015
I am seeing good things here and there but also a clear lack of construction, so it makes me suspect that the good things here are only good because you learned a series of symbols

>>4515015
Seems pretty good except for the middle finger

Where are the pose books?

>>4515058
Why the sad face? I think you are doing good.

Just posted my first commission. My hands are fucking rattling and my stomach is in my throat. I shut off the website and won't open it for the rest of the evening. I don't even want to think about it, I just want to play games.

>>4515087
Go to vent, dumbass

>>4515087
Don't worry Anon everything will be fine!

>>4515087
pyw

>>4514749
Ctrl + c / ctrl +v

>>4514888
I guess that's why it's in the beg thread

>>4515095
I'm playing Town of Salem and feeling much better instantly
>>4515109
Thank you anon!!! :)
>>4515113
No way that's the opposite of what will help me calm down

>>4515087

>>4515015
DAMN I cant believe asukafag was merely pretending to be bad

>>4515087
I get that same feeling when I post deliveries in drawthreads
We'll get past it anon

>>4514858
You improve by reading more Loomis

>>4515135
What you laughing at cute little apu
>>4515243
Yes we will, I see artists who started as nervous wrecks and post comfortably now

>>4515015
definitely better, good job asukaposter

>>4514942
Buy a pack of A4 printer paper instead

I do think I really want to learn drawing but it feels like my results just don't materialize. I come in and out of this a lot. I got to this point in Loomis where you draw his avatar but I feel like I'm arriving at this from looking and copying more than Loomis' techniques (my axis lines are pretty shit). When I try to actually build a face I fail to 'build' at all. It's hard for my mind to understand how Loomis transforms the ovals he draws into fat cheeks, and he seems to pull his chins out from the ether. Should I look up pictures of faces and start drawing them so I have a better idea of the pieces of construction?

Examples of my Loomis balls, part of my issue may be symbol drawing but on the other hand Loomis also draws simple shapes but then perfects them in later panels like that meme of Spongebob drawing a perfect circle by drawing then erasing The David.

>>4515284
Take a finished Loomis face and draw the appropriate shapes where he put the chin/cheeks.

By the way your loomis funny face in pic related isn't bad for a total beginner

>>4515292
w/ reference, beg
if w/o, not beg

Looked into The Keys of Drawing and tried the shoe exercise but my concentration started fucking up when I got to the shoelaces. I felt an almost physical inability to coordinate the contour and direction of the laces from my eyesight to the page, whether drawing blind or looking between page and shoes. The feeling gave me a lot of anxiety, is this something that can be learned better with practice?

>>4515295
Lel

>>4515311
I don't know if this will count as reference lol but I doodled that face while studying anatomy. I had a twitch stream on n the background and they were playing the new final fantasy game.

Doodle was definitely based on the charlie sheen looking character with the red headband but I didn't have any ref I was looking at.

why do my lines look like shit

This looks off and I don't know how to fix it.

Much love to anyone that can tell me:
-How could I make the character on the bottom seem more relaxed?
-Are the head sizes fucked?
-Do the hands read as interlocking?
-Is anything else obviously fucked?

>>4515443
jesus use boxes or something dude, nipples not aligned,face and hat in different angles, spaggethi fingers, swolen feet,poor drapery and hair.

ughh..

>>4515015
this is an improvement but you need to learn to draw legs now

I am having a hard time choosing colors or a pallet. How do y ou know what colors to use they always look wrong. I hope to god this is the right size i didn't check

>>4515514
Hands definitely don't read and overall just kinda confusing to look at. Too much chicken scratch that makes it all muddy when you want it to have as few confident lines as needed to signify the form.

>>4515512
You made her look like a sticc. im /beg/ btw

Been gesture drawing for about a week now and looking for critiques.

Been gesture drawing for about a week, looking for critique.

>>4515865
L

>>4515865
your gay faggy notes are funny and made me laugh just do it more dude and try to be more fluid no need to take useless notes

>>4515881
This. Also what is the point of the notes if you wrote them? You're not really qualified to criticize yourself and every observation you make should be internalized for your next drawing. Unless you're a pot head or something and cannot remember your own thoughts.

day 5, I'm going to kill myself

>>4515936
I am sorta happy with this sketch though

Where can I get some pose books?

where do u guys get enough resources to do a focus study of a certain body part

>>4515955
pornhub.com

>>4515956
>3dpd

>>4515959
>implying there isn't hentai on pornhub

I tried to do some corrections on the the the foot and the tits. Where can i find some good references on dresses that isnt in a standing contrapossto pose

How to get better at proportions? I'm currently on chapter 2/3 of keys to drawing and I wanted to try out creating a portrait of some random woman, it didn't go well and I couldn't capture her likeness

:)

>>4515979
You got to measure everything autistically as you're drawing. After a certain point once you've blocked in the general position of the landmark features (think mouth, eyes, ears, nose, browline, etc...) you can use those as references. to get more precise measurements.

I made this piece of fan art.

How do I into image sizing?

I'm always doing guesswork with how to size my shit. I always do traditional and scan my art in the highest quality I can, then try and reduce it from their. But it's never consistent and it either always looks to small in thumbnails and/or to fucking huge when zoomed in. Is this even the right place to ask?

it's supposed to be Mio from Keion. I copied a pic I found online.
That darkened region in the center is the drawing on the other side of the sheet.

>>4515979
She is somewhat melted but I feel it's actually she. You need to start and focus more of getting head shape right before committing to details.

>>4515881
>>4515887
I sometimes write notes on my excercises as well and It's not about giving myself qualified criticism.
It's not about writing down my thoughts so that I can study them later, because my memory is so shitty from all the weed, either.
Drawing is usually a very intuitive process for me, particularily if I'm focused and in the zone. I find that going over my excercises and trying to write down something helps me break out of this intuitive mode and actually make conscious observations.

inb4: "You should always make observations retard, don't draw mindlessly"
Intuitive ≠ Mindless

Also your posts can essentially be distilled into "oh ehm gee, look at this nerd taking notes! lmfao at his life"
So I'm pretty sure you're just a shitposter, but you made me respond so good job and have your (you)

>>4516078
I hope you're a woman. If a man came up to me on the streets and spoke to me as you do now I would beat his fucking ass to pulp. You hear me? Stop talking like a faggot

>>4516084
Ok Ghost.

>>4516084
Try me bitch, I'll make crab-meat out of you.

>If a man came up to me on the streets and spoke to me as you do now I would eat his fucking ass.
Fixed that for you.

First attempt at figure drawing, messed up proportions and shading. Feels like getting fodd at drawing the figure and studying anatomy will take a long while.

im just gonna keep incessantly picking at this so ill call it finished and move on
feedback would be appreciated (besides pointing out i need to do better with actually copying the reference shapes)

>>4513691
Some more progress on this dude, got more lines and stuff to do

questions. how much time do you spend polishing/blending? it seems like for anything on a canvas size over 5k x 5k is a fucking lot of effort to go through every last area. next question, is normal to use a smaller 'finished' file size from the original .psd file to help smooth out the details (ie 6k x 6k actually gets posted as 4k or 3k)?

I'm starting to draw art that I like to look at, but it takes me 12+ hours of drawing a single character in a single pose, doing a single stroke then ctrl+z'ing over and over until I like the way what I drew (for example an arm) looks. Then a little while later while I'm drawing another part of the body, I realize that the arm I drew isn't actually in perspective any more with the rest of the body. So I use the transform tool and manipulate the arm into a perspective and then set it to 20% opacity and draw on top of it, painstakingly ctrl+z'ing after every stroke I don't think "looks right". And I repeat this process for pretty much every part of the body.

I know this is unbelievably stupid and inefficient and I'm not actually an artist,more like an editor with a lot of patience... But the thing is I started drawing over a year ago and I did a lot of drawing for a few months. But I felt like I wasn't going to improve unless I learned art properly. So I downloaded a bunch of artbooks and video lectures and practiced them religiously for a few weeks, and then burned myself out and didn't come back to art for a year.

Sorry for blog post but I wonder if anyone else has been in the same situation? I actually enjoy drawing even if it takes me 12 hours to draw something basic. I know there are good resources out there and teaching myself basic lessons in perspective and construction would save me a lot of time. But I just cant bring myself to do them without totally making myself miserable.

I'm half-decent at finding pose flow, but I'm terrible drawing faces from reference.
Tried to trace the main structure then copy the shape. Is there a better methodology?
Also is there anything to get over that "face blindness" feeling you get after a while where you don't realise the shape is off?

>>4516211
>"pose flow"

ngmi

>>4516211
You're symbol drawing
Read and watch Hampton and learn the form. Proko helps too.

>>4516166
This looks like body horror. I really like it.

Working on this no idea if I’m missing anything.

>>4516182
Just pace your studies more gradually by picking one thing and practicing it by incorporating it into your current workflow. When you see it helps you’ll start building a positive association with studies and will seek out more.

what can i do to make my studies not look like complete ass

>>4515996
Post ref or didn't happen.
Also, did you use any reference lines/construction drawing this? If not read this >>4513543
>2. DO NOT post your 5 minute sketches that you didn't put much thought into. If you do post them then make sure to ask for SPECIFIC advice on a specific subject.
If you post a doodle and ask "where did i go wrong" or "how should I continue from here", expect to get meme replies such as "Loomis".

I have limited money, do I get Loomis Figure Drawing for All It's Worth or Hamptons Figure Drawing? (total beg) also fuk you!

>>4516255
Why pay for it if you have limited money?

>>4516255
Read the sticky fucking retard you don't have to buy anything

>>4516264
>>4516265
Both of you I will tell you FUCK YOU! don't you know the BOOK IS FUCKING BETTER TO LOOK AT!? You guys are always saying "draw from life, don't draw from the photo" Well a screen is a fucking photo and a book is fucking life so both you is ngmi!

>>4516269

>a screen is a fucking photo and a book is fucking life
no

>>4516264
>>4516265
also thankyou for your advices

Are these gestures ok? What should i change?

>>4516271
>no
its easy to note you mothercunt

>>4515969
>>4515443
I think the lines themselves look fine just they are not describing the form well on the cloth.

>>4516255
buy it

>>4514880
Not him but ty for this

>>4515087
It's very showing that you run back to your bideo games the moment something intimidating or real happens in your life.
Stop being a man child, and good luck with the commission.

>>4515284
Literally just practice this for a few more days and the problem will solve itself. Trust me on this.

>>4516222
thanks for that. Skimmed through Proko and realised that I was completely doing the Loomis head incorrectly, haha.
I felt a lot more confident drawing the features. Granted, it's still symbol drawing, I think it's a step in the right direction

>>4515881
If it works for him then it works for him. Why bash him for something like that you dumb faggot?

>>4515865
Try using fewer, more confident, and longer lines. Right now you're carefully scratching the form in, you need to do it in long simple lines.

>>4515979
Can you link the ref?

>>4516134
Not beg

>>4516302
Stop using shit refs. Namely, ones where the person is wearing a hat or has unconventional hair.
This guys hat completely threw you off and made you misjudge his head size.

Whenever I see cool art it makes me want to draw. Does that mean drawing is my thing?

>>4516231
How badly am i gimping/torturing myself if i continue to draw the way ive drawing and ignore fundies ?

I mean i assume anyone with over 100 iq will still learn perspective and construction eventually on their own given enough time , right? As long as youre looking at photos and trying to understand whats going on in 3d space, you wont stay a beg shitter, right?

>>4516067
>>4516076
Moving these questions here.

>>4516332
2 point perspective was invented in the renaissance so that's like 10,000 years of human civilization without anyone figuring it out

>>4516357
Was anybody trying to? It probably took 5 minutes once someone had the idea.

>>4516361
Only the lord Jesus Christ knows. Perspective only takes an hour to learn anyway, just watch a fucking video honestly. Do you have a learning disability?

>>4516095
Lmao

>>4516273
They look okay try to add more lines now that suggest a surface of a 3D object.

>>4516357
For 10,000 years people were living agrarian lives and had more important shit to worry about
Im locked down in quarantine with 60 days of food, no responsibilities, and a mighty need to draw cute anime pictures

Can i get some tips on this? It feels incomplete but I don’t know what to add or change. I’m trying to make it look jack Kirby style

anyone got good eye symbols i can use?

have no idea what is going on there. do not like use of colors and skull is bad. this whatever in the corner seems out of perspective but who knows what is this
>>4516371

I've been using an old pen and touch small for some time now and it's not really possible to draw anything without zooming in to fit the entire screen.
I know i need to train using my elbow but when you draw 5-10mm strokes it's really difficult to not do it with your wrist.

Should i just blow my load on a medium pro or what. Why isn't any of this in the sticky or op.

>>4516384

idk man, im just trying to make the skull guy look to the sky and have some planet emitting light on him. linework is going to get redone, that green beam is giving me trouble as far as how to incorporate it coherently, the black dot swirl things are me trying to do jack kirby style galaxy, that thing in the bottom left is supposed to be a smoking skyline.

>fuck man, is it really that bad? can i get some references if what i said made sense?

I've been working some on this.
I've reached a point where I wasn't sure what else to work on/the amount of things I could add made me stagger.
Do you guys have any rules of thumb as to what should be added/worked on ?
Feedback is welcome.

A friend of mine gave the following advice which I find sound: Let it rest, revisit it sometime later and ask yourself "Would I enjoy adding more or would it tire me and make groan?"

>>4515512
please resize your images.
also, you need to pay more attention to proportion and angles

>>4516286
No problem, at least you said thanks.
Next time I see that ungrateful little shit asking for advice, I'm going to call him a poop sniffer.

>>4516313
here

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/c1/c6/e5/c1c6e5b777afde4d85642734266f98e2--portrait-photography-face-portrait-face.jpg

>>4516472
Anon... you should’ve posted the picture not link it.

>>4516318
Fuck you

>>4516416
Lookin good but dont forget the white on the eyes

>/beg/ tells me to leave
>/alt/ tells me to go back to /beg/
?

>>4516522
pyw and i'll judge you

>>4516522
A lot of "leave /beg/" posts in /beg/ are trolling.
If /alt/ tells you to go back to /beg/ then you are /beg/.

>>4516527
Not so much trolling as /beg/s being easily impressed by something out of their skill level.
/beg/ is a very broad skill level, you will be stuck in /beg/ for atleast the first 3 or 4 years.

>>4516532
Yeah if you don’t grind hard, you can get out of /beg/ in under a year.

Is it possible to draw a person like this using loomis? If not, what technique is recommended?

>>4516539
You don't understand how drawing works. Under that painting are fundamentals and yes you can get those from loomis.

>>4516541
lol pyw

>>4516525
>>4516527
Still learning the basics of stylization, it's actually a lot harder to get than a lot of fundies. But there is rarely any good crit on /alt/.

>>4516545
Why the fuck would I need to. You probably need to read the sticky.

>>4516546
You are not /beg/. Work on giving the head and skirt more form, everything else is good.

>>4516547
Over time you get a sense for when people post "hurr durr learn fundies" not because they're speaking from experience, but just because they want to appear smart. Your post strongly comes off as the latter.

really need to do still life stuff but lacking in subjects so i did my chapstick. took a little more than a half hour. i really like analyzing the subtle changes in values on the solid colors. rate my bb plz bb

>>4516539
yes

>>4516546
Oh that's better than I thought it would be, it's pretty cute.
However it's also very simple. If you want less "go back to /beg" then try carrying the same quality over to something more ambitious. And with color.

>>4516550
What kind of retard would derive pleasure from appearing smart on an anonymous image board. Don't be an idiot. The question was stupid.

>>4516554
Take note everyone, this is what a poser looks like when he's been exposed.

>>4516548
>>4516553
Thanks, I will try to do that. This image was a good middle ground between my more elaborate drawings and my very basic sketches. But I will need to step up my game especially when it comes to perspective and also backgrounds.

>>4516559
If you want to skip fundies and find excuses to do so, then do it. You don't need to try and make an anonymous poster on the internet look bad to do that.

>>4516504
my bad
>>4516313
here you go

new thread

>>4516595
>>4516595
>>4516595
>>4516595
>>4516595

>>4516251
I got the image from Google, it's a random pose.
I'm following Keys to Drawing and used the 4 principles he described.

>>4513878
holy shit that is horrifying

>>4517008
Buckle up
https://www.artstation.com/santalahti

>>4516551
good job anon