/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4508628
thanks for the thread anon!

>>4508628
Post the rules retard

>>4508628
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE I DON'T WANT MY SHITTY ART TO BE USED AS A THUMBNAIL

>>4508701
My friend got his art added to the OP last time lol

Some ground rules to start this thread and the next /beg/ threads off:

>if you are /beg/
Don't ever give advice.
You can relate and share your hardships with other /beg/s, but never give them advice.
If you MUST give advice, start the reply off with "I'm beg, but what worked for me is..."

>Before you post your work
1. Every person giving advice here expects for you to have atleast read some of the sticky, and that you already know what you should be doing to improve.
In that light, replies such as "grind more fundamentals" are perfectly viable advice.
We expect you to know what the general fundamentals are (gesture, anatomy, perspective, drapery, etc.), and we expect you to know where you can find resources to practice these subjects.
Sometimes literally the only good advice to give is to practice more and improve you technique.

2. DO NOT post your 5 minute sketches that you didn't put much thought into. If you do post them then make sure to ask for SPECIFIC advice on a specific subject.
If you post a doodle and ask "where did i go wrong" or "how should I continue from here", expect to get meme replies such as "Loomis".

Follow these simple rules and the generals will become much more productive for both the /beg/s and the people giving advice.

reminder to not reply to retards and hide their posts

>>4508720
Could you stop reposting your shitty gatekeeping post?

Any anons have resources I should use in order to learn in depth shading? Currently all of my faces look like they just washed off some blackface.

>>4508733
At least post your faces

>>4508740
yee

>>4508753
Read keys to drawings anon, and understand how to construct heads using the loomis method. Don’t think shading is gonna be a issue for a while.

>>4508753
lmaOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>4508753
Unironically needs Loomis

>>4508753
Depth shading should be the last thing of your concern

>>4508628
anyone have just the reference for the op image

>>4508720
Yes, i'm beg
Yes, i'ill keep giving advice
Yes, you can't do anything to stop me

oorrysHAAAAAA I AM FEELING THE FORM

Not much got done this week, but I think I have some idea where to go next. I have problems with pectoral and pelvic girdles, and I need to study proportions and anatomy in general, so I plan to pick up Easy Poser and use models as training wheels until I have the basics right. Is this a good way to progress, or should I go with hardcore anatomy books instead? I have done very little in the way of anatomy studies, I've been mostly copying and referencing anime artists.

I also need to tackle mechanical objects at some point, I wanted to draw a skater but gave up after every skateboard I drew came out looking like a worm on wheels. The right hand is the same, I wanted it to hold railings to support a jump but I couldn't draw either hands or railings to save my life. I ought to sketch background details to see if they're feasible, instead of saying 'I can figure it out later' and wasting two days failing to do that.

Some artists I follow use 3D models on CSP for anything mechanical, and I wanted to switch out of Krita anyway, so I'll give that a try. I should get into detail on arms, hands, clothes and perspective too, and I really should fix my oversized head issue, but these are already on the bucket list.

HOW TH E FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO GET THE PROPORTIONS, OR ANYTHING RIGHT WHILE GESTURE DRAWING HOW THE FUCK IS THIS SUPPOSED TO BE ONE OF THE BASICS

Some suggestions to start this thread and the next /beg/ threads off:

Give feedback, even if you're unsure of yourself; even if you're wrong, it'll be a learning experience for you when you get corrected.
Make your criticisms conversational, especially if you're of a similar skill level to the anon you're critiquing.

Try to give personalised feedback; most people here aren't newfags, and already know about the existence of loomis and fundamentals.

Don't feel pressured to only post highly rendered or thoughout pieces; your sketches probably showcase some bad habits that you unconsciously do, and you can stil gain a lot of them having critiqued.

>>4508753
Is this supposed to be Arnold?

>>4508800
You disregard the proportions entirely.

First you get the gesture down. Then you CONSTRUCT on top of it to get the actual result.

>>4508800
the proportions with come with practice

>>4508628
So that's what happen when you don't feel the form?

>>4508720
Best post in the thread
People upset at this are the same ones that reee about certain posters. If you want habits to disappear abide by this. But of course /ic/ is filled with low IQ shitters

>>4508628
which book would you lads pick if you had to start all over again?

>>4508628
I haven't been drawing lately because I've been a lazy crock of shit.
But here's what I've been drawing.

Have mostly been doing fanart because it seems thats what attracts people the most.
Pic Related is a drawing I made of Elvis From God Hand (PS2). Recommend playing it if you have an Emulator.

>>4508797
did you referenced the navel? the rest is crazy bad
>sticker eyes
>that awful right arm connection
what is that thing attached to her lat and arm and why is divided with that line what it is. I can't even imagine where is the delt connected in all that mess.
>left arm and hand in different angles or poorly conveyed
the left arm is straight(a more natural and realaxed would be better) but her hand is rotated inside but the upper part of her glove is still as it were a side view unless it's a large glove and those white lines don't help either with the view
>right leg larger than the other
>poorly drawn hand
specially the thumbs on both hands and the fingers in general look like pointy sticks rather than having more form
>potato feet

also is her bra holding itself on her tits? shouldn't they sag more and the tights desigsn with those edges pointing in different angles are they on purpose?

>>4508895
donot like how lowres textures clashes with sharp bodyhair

>>4508903
>did you referenced the navel
Nah, I wanted to complete something from last week that I had doodled up and wanted to do line art on. Looks like it didn't turn out well.

Back to copy land then. Better luck next time.

Hi anons, when drawing digitally should I use a small / low range pressure brush to practice? or does it not mattre

>>4508895
So you took a screenshot and did a lazy overoaint?

God I'm so fucking depressed. If I don't improve again for another month in a row and can't make something presentable I'm gonna blow my brains out.

>>4508991
improvement doesn't come in a month babe

>>4508895
How is this beg?

>>4509000
Because he just took a screenshot and overpainted it. You can see the original low res 3d textures at places he forgot to cover up

I realized most of my stuff is flat as fuck and I need to train drawing poses with challenging perceptive, angle and motion. Is there any place I can find references and photos for that? Most resource sites have pretty standard photos and I'm having trouble finding what I want. I think there was a book related to that, but I forgot its name.

i just started fun with a pencil, right in the beginning making faces it says "you need not copy"
what do i do if im not good enough to move onto making my own faces and not copying? especially having suffered from same face in another style for so long? help

i think im done with vilppu

>>4509016
these rings on the cage bother me.

>>4509024
You've got 3 choices
1. Copy directly. He never says not to copy at all. There's a part later in the book where he suggests copying full bodies to build up confidence.
2. Build up confidence in other ways by sketching random figures, looking through references, using your own imagination, etc
3. NGMI
Take your pick.

>>4508720
Good stuff anon, these begs would do well to listen to your sage wisdom.
>>4508730
>>4508790
NGMI

>>4509039
ty anon your reply means a lot to me!

>>4509048
more fundies
/thread

What do you think? And what areas need the most improvement?

What do you think? And what areas need the most improvement?
Reuploading because first file was too low res.

>>4508797
you forgot the nose, bro

>>4509094
das juden

>>4508720
Some ground rules to start this thread and the next /beg/ threads off:

pyw

>>4509083
The anatomy is very wonky but I think the coloring is OK. There might be a decent amount of appeal if the body and face had better proportions. Therefore, I think you I think that the area that needs most improvement is anatomy.

>>4509083
symbol drawing in the face, you used some muscular dude arm's as a ref ,eyeballed the lower body, your shadows are inconsisteny and those fingers are coming out from a single spot

>>4509108
Thanks, I think that's quite fair and accurate. Do you have any specific anatomy suggestions? I struggled with the armpit and everything around it for a long time and I'm sure it's still not right. Also looking at it now, it looks like there might be way too much space between the chin and breasts?

>>4509122
everything dude, just start figure drawing from the beginning

>>4508801
based

>>4508628
was this proper loomis? was the waitress drawn right or im wrong?

>>4509208
Bro.
If it looks right, it is right.

It annoys me that most books on instructional drawing is just like "draw your hand" "draw your foot" and stuff like that, and once you're finished with the tasks you aren't exactly much better.

In which area should l try to improve next?

>>4509016
not /beg/

>>4509237
Drawing your hand one time doesn't help much.
Drawing your hand a thousand times might.

>>4508885
youre not using smooth flowing lines like i've been getting drilled into my head but this looks really good

>>4509240
everything

>>4509240
focus on proportions. both body and facial proportions

fucked up that eye. I want to go to sleep

>>4509279
That’s really helpful, thanks.

Does this look like right perspective

>>4509296
I mean, I know it's not what you want to hear but it's kind of true. Look at it this way: you're at the stage where practicing literally anything will help you improve, therefore you have the freedom to work on whatever you want.

>>4509300
Bottom left looks fatter than the others.

>>4509310
oh don't mind that one i was just mindlessly experimenting

alright so i finally drew something today.
Spend all day doing this from imagination.
I still can't plan values&color for shit and get very bored while rendering.
What should i do to get out of /beg/dom

>>4508797
>>4508935
You did alright anon don't feel bad. I do recommend studying real life anatomy along side art you like, it'll help you greatly. Also it's nice seeing a /beg/ actually finish something. It's normally sketch hell here and retards going "uryghg"

>>4509336
dont be afraid of darker values, textured brush in the bg kinda takes away from the subject, do a little more loomis and perspective with the form of the body.

>>4509389
thanks for the good feed breh.
desu the textured brush is not so much stylistic as it is me just being lazy. I feel like a struggle with rendering a lot more than i should, any pointers you could give me?
>dont be afraid of darker values
Ye, everything i'm doing comes out over-exposed. I guess it would work for anime pin ups but im not into it. I tried doing studies with three values and it went ok, but if i do it from imaginatino i just can't get those darker values.

>>4509300
I guess I'm stuck in /beg/ for a while. Again.

>>4509426
"The Human Mashed-Potato"

>>4509409
im beg and i struggle a little with bg rendering too lol but i usually make sure not to over render, use reference if i need to, and make sure theres no high contrast in the bg that takes away from the subject. if that makes any sense. bg is just there to anchor everything, you don't need to spend too much time on it if its not that important i think

>>4509336
lol this one is so weird, sort of ok drawing but absolute beg colors and brushwork

>>4509240
please use this for next OP picture

>>4509240
>moonwalk.jpg

>>4509295
symbols symbols symbols

>>4508628
Here's a good book for you guys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyKanfGxf3M

How do I ignore all those ints who act all "how do you do fellow begs"?

>>4509549
/beg/ is a really wide range of skills. The /beg/ thread isn't just for day zero ultra /beg/s to post their scribbles. /beg/ basically means, do you still do more learning than creating. Unsurprisingly, there are some relatively good people who are still in the learning phase.

>>4508628
model name?

>>4509560
der cöömer

how the fuck am i suppose to draw a sphere in perspective

>>4509556
/ic/ can't never be content with anything.
Yesterday it was that only day-zero ngmis posted and that the only advice that they could get was "grind fundies"
Today it is that there are too many "/int/s" and not enough /beg/s.
And whenever someone does an /int/ thread is also wrong, because they're actually just coping /beg/s.
This place is so spiteful and full of frustrated people i swear...

>>4509518
Can you elaborate, here's some more WIP. Maybe it's better now.

I'm so fucking confused right now. Can this till be salvaged or should I move on.

>>4509579
Only size matters for spheres
Then you have circles in perspective which are called ellipse

why are shoes/feet so hard
how do i fix this

>>4509641
whats the difference between an ellipse and an oval

>>4509650
one is long

>>4509613
the near and far eye are equal size even though they really shouldn't be, her nose is super broken (it starts on the right half of her face), her glabella is flush with her forehead and is falling towards the right side of her face, resulting in us seeing both tearducts when we're realistically going to get only one = you're drawing what you think eyes, noses etcLook Like instead of drawing the form

aka symbol drawing

>>4509660
Thanks lad.

After a while of looking at horses and drawing a horribly ugly couple of horses. I tried to block in the shades first

>>4509670
the skull and the shadow in the nose makes it look like a dog

>>4509016
absolutely not beg but post your socials

please critique

>>4509714
based and cunnypilled

>>4509714
AHHHHH IIIIIIIMMMMM COOOOOOMMMMMMMMINGGGGGGGGGG

>>4509721
>>4509724
Thanks but i kinda wanted some legit criticism. I've been trying to avoid symbol drawing and working on my anatomy.

>>4509680
Thank you

>>4509714
Her forearms are thicker than her neck

>>4509730
I have to assume you're not using a reference so I can't say for sure but to me the arms look too chubby in comparison with the hands. The hands are like a quarter the size of the face when in reality they are the same size. I realize it's anime style but still they look too small.

just started drawing, made these after reading the front first 30 pages of Loomis' book Fun With Pencil

>>4509750
>>4509751
I was using refference that are that chubby, still I'll make them less chubby in the future, thanks.

>>4509426
istebrak form studies

>>4509760
Good job! Keep using that book, it's good to start with.

>>4509426
Don't try to paint it with a brush. Use a lasso tool to block out the forms and fill them with the appropriate tone

>>4509760
Please start doing DrawABox Anon.

>draw from life because you see in '3d'
>tfw realized eye condition makes it so i dont see in 3d
no wonder life drawing was useless and i got more from pictures.

>>4509647
My knowledge on feet is nonexistent because I just recently started figure drawing but I could give you some tips for shoes: look up for a couple of pictures on 3/4 view or grab your favorite pair of shoes and try to understand it's shape/form.

If this is giving you too much trouble, you could also use wrapping lines to help yourself understand the shape of the shoe and it's perspective. I know you can do this anon.

>t, Industrial design student who's been studying shoes for the past two years.

>>4509777
thank you
I feel I am already drawing better

Will figure it out any second now

>>4509670
unironically look at Jojo part 7 for horse drawing reference, for some reason Araki is pretty fucking proficient at drawing horses, especially strange since he has no idea how human bodies work in the slightest

>>4508720
>if you are /beg/ don't ever give advice.
I'm going to miss you /beg/, it's time for me to leave

>>4509889
What is your goal?
What are you doing to improve?
Do you not realize how ass your "shading" looks?

>>4509911
Can't wait to finish the snorefest that is part 6 and start part 7.

>>4510003
part 7 is my favorite part but I really like part 6 too though, I guess it's not really for everyone

>>4509987
Don't crab him you stupid /beg/

>>4510014
>people yell at me when I give people compliments
>people yell at me when I give people criticism
You just can't win.

>>4510014
t. uber beg

>i made the upper half of the body just slightly too big again
welp. thank god for the skew perspective tool amirite

>>4510013
6 has some of the lowest lows, but when it gets good it's really good. A lot of people will probably come around once the anime airs and smooths things over.

>Didn't draw anything today so I can't force myself to most and ultimately get discouraged by crabs.

my high IQ might be too much for you crabs.

>>4510014
I hate how overused words lose their meaning

>>4510038
Where is there crabbing in this thread? All the critique has been very reasonable.

do i have potential

>>4510034
yeah, I agree wholeheartedly, I've been putting off a re-read since it's probably gonna get an anime soon enough so I don't remember a lot of the worse parts, other than not really liking some of the later fights and I'm only really remember what I did like.

I'm getting worse

Guy who made OP's pic here. How did I do this time?

Is jumping into figure drawing really the best way to start?
I watched this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22XYoenU-0c saying drawing stuff with large margins of error like rock formations and old tree roots is less stressful and builds more confidence than drawing stuff with low margins of error like human figures and faces.
When I followed the video's advice, I enjoyed drawing more and went from procrastinating to practicing 3-4 hours each day. I could focus more on improving my line weight and drawing posture.
So if any anon is struggling a lot with starting out, then maybe give this method a shot?

>>4510067
>when you fall for the starting strenght meme

>>4510060
stop drawing anime
>>4510067
damn this is really good. I think the torso is a little too big but you're almost there

>>4510077
> you're almost there

>>4510077
>tells one of the best in the thread to stop doing what he's doing
>tells a turbo /beg/ he's "almost there"
This is a new level of advanced crabbing.

>>4510031
pic related
what else is wrong?

>>4510067
>What is gesture?
>What is balance and counterbalance?
>What is visual measuring?
>What is drawing with confidence?

>>4510060
- Why are all the faces (or the whole figure, while we're at that) drawn from the front view or at a very slight angle?
- The poses are too stiff
- The proportions ain't right and you're breaking some of their bones (Gloria's arm while she's holding the cup, for example)
- The figures look flat
- Don't listen to this faggot >>4510077

Do you still have your sketch or construction drawings for them?

sites with good model pics? I fucking suck so much at drawing people from imagination

What's the opposite of a crab? how do you call those anons that keep giving way too much praise for bad drawings? toxic positivity can be as bad as crabbing

I thought that drawing would be a cool hobby for an antisocial person but it really is not. The best way to get good is to copy things and be actively seeking other people which I do not like.

>>4510101
>- Why are all the faces (or the whole figure, while we're at that) drawn from the front view or at a very slight angle?
I suck at drawing anime faces from other angles so I just do fronts on faces and slightly off to the side faces. How do I get used to drawing anime heads from different angles?
>- The poses are too stiff
>- The figures look flat
How do I remedy this? I try to put gesture and push the forms when it's not meant to be a front on pose.
>Do you still have your sketch or construction drawings for them?
These are my sketches, i rub out construction lines cause I always seem to fuck up when I do layers.

>>4510108
pinterest

>>4510131
fuck why didn't I think of that? thanks

>>4509911
Thanks! I'll have a look

>>4510125
For learning constructional drawing:
I would suggest that you start with perspective first, work your way through either "Perspective Made Easy" by Norling or Marshal's perspective course. After that, Robertson's "How to Draw" book in order to go more in-depth. When you're done with that, you should follow up with his "How to Render" book in order to get the hang of how light works.
Perspective and how to light an object (rendering) are pretty much the very foundation for anything in constructional drawing. Why? You are trying to depict 3D on 2D, and yes, that's the case for abstract art (manga/anime/cartoons) as well.
You can also start with Vilppu's NMA course, but I suggest doing that after the mentioned books and course (Marshal's).
There's no way around it, you will have to dig though these subjects. Better sooner, than later.

>>4510111
>toxic positivity
A yes-man, perhaps. I don't think there's a precise term for it, yet.

Trying to draw fast in ink. I was told to post this shit here. Any critiques and thefts are welcome. Is there any part of the jewish profile I’m missing? How is my shading? Would you proportion it differently?

>What is your goal?
I am not trying to be a pro. I just want to draw and I want it to look good.

>What are you doing to improve?
I draw then I try to improve my weakest point, right now I think it is my background stuff. I am also reading loomis since I have more free time right now.

>Do you not realize how ass your "shading" looks?
Not this one, this I half-assed, but, my shading is the part that I like the most in my drawings, is it really that bad? It is supposed to look "sketchy". Pic is one of my best work shading wise.

>>4510208

>>4509987

>>4510211

>>4510211
I think you drew me this ibuki many months ago on /v/ or /a/
Thanks

frog fighters make me sad

Gonna start the Brent Eviston series tomorrow. Anyone who has done it, or is doing it, what did you think about it?

>>4510235
>Brent Eviston
Never heard of him, to be honest.

>>4510217
Yeah I did, it was on /a/. No problem.

>>4510219
frog fighter is invisible

>>4509295
You are not measuring the proportions and features properly and her face is deformed, with a gigantic nose, lips and angular chin that make her look like a neanderthal man. Too much symbol on her eyes and eyebrows. Left eye should be smaller and closer to her nose.
Deconstruct the face into basic shapes and use gridlines. Work your loomis. 5 min edit.

>>4509295
Alita battle angel live adaption

>>4508800
90/10 rule when doing figure drawing and constant practice. I am not joking
Please keep working on improving observational drawing and you will make it

>>4508885
cute

>>4509240
>>4509295
>>4510067

Please refer to >>4510316

>>4508885
Cute

>>4509714
Please die in a fire

>>4509714
Looks like a boy that's cosplaying Natsuki.

>>4509760
See >>4510192

>>4510060
I share the same problem of always drawing faces in the front view and a slight tilt to a side and a lack of motion >>4509016 At some point this whole stuff becomes a symbol thing.
If you don't mind my opinion, you should try drawing more challenging poses and perspectives and maybe stop drawing lolis with similar features and force yourself to draw other types of characters with different personalities, looks and body types.
Aim for a finished piece with an actual background, even if it's very simple and rudimentary so you can challenge yourself and improve. Draw two characters interacting with each other.

thats all hows my ponce

>7 yrs old daughter of my college teacher saw my airships painting and liked it
>Sent me an audio asking me to draw her a fairy and a unicorn from my own imagination
I hope this gives me extra points I mean I hope she likes it.
I didn't spend a week on this but I still tried, check out my sick framing skills you little girl

>>4508628
>>4510067
Had a try at these two

>>4510092
Based rinotuna poster

I want to beat up coomers.

>>4510343
please spend more time on it before you post something here. Do you seriously want critique on a messy sketch?

>>4510060
Give up and kys autistic pedophile scum

>>4510060
Please stop being a pedo

I am so artistic

>>4510431
Autist

>>4510060
This is your brain on Amawu.

Pretty new to digital art. Any criticisms or advice would be very appreciated.

>>4510445
all this cyan outlines on black looks jarring, gaussian blur clouds looks atrocious to me. can not in to advise because /beg but suspect initial line art was looking better as is,

How do you know that you're drawing from your shoulder and not the wrist?

>>4510480
Is that supposed to be a joke?

>>4510480
The whole arm moves when you're drawing from your shoulder.

>>4510474
>>4510445
Yeah mostly just playing around with effects here it is in a simpler state. Just trying to make it pop a bit more

>>4510316
Sorry if I'm a retard, what's the 90/10 rule? Meaning it's 90% about observational drawing and 10% everything else to improve?

>>4510496
No, I really don't understand what should I be feeling to know that I am drawing from the shoulder.

>>4510497
Thanks.

>>4510504
90% looking at what you're drawing, 10% looking at the page. The more you practice it while doing observational drawings, the more you improve how you really /see/ and are able to translate what you see onto the page. I learned it from an instructor and didn't realize it wasn't well known- there's probably a different name for it.

>>4510506
if wrist do not rotates horizontally when you put line then you doing it by rotating shoulder.

>>4510515
Interesting. Thinking about it, I realize that yeah I probably don't take enough time to really look at the details of what I'm trying to draw, or take enough time to think about it before putting down a new mark.

Going to keep this in mind, thanks anon.

>>4510361
This is adorable, i really like the face of the girl

>>4510524
I really hope it helps. It's been a big part of my improvement over the last year. I've improved significantly at being able to judge proportions from sight because of practicing 90/10 (and doing more reference drawings overall, of course). Pic related is of a recent batch of observational studies to hopefully back my word up... minus the anime girl

>>4509760
>>4509858
Anon I'm going to believe you when you say it is your first time drawing and not just an attempt for (you)'s and getting a /beg/ op pic slot.

Are you actually drawing the circles and guidelines and doing exactly what Loomis does when he makes his faces? You said you read the first 30 pages, but you need to actually draw everything in those 30 pages to actually study and understand the technique.

It honestly doesn't look like you read anything.

>>4510536
Based, I saw your studies in a prior thread. I'm mostly trying to draw seriously for the first time in a long time because quarantine free time and no more excuses not to. But I also have some very niche fetishes that I would both like to:

A.) Draw the kind of porn I want and

B.) Have the plus of getting good enough that maybe others will like it and I have some side money from drawing shit I would have fapped to regardless.

I dabbled on and off in my teens and early 20s but I was one of those weeb retards that was exasperated at the thought of drawing from life when all I wanted to do was draw coomer anime girls. So now I'm going through Loomis, slowly, bit by bit, to unlearn bad habits from shit How to Draw Manga books.

For gesture, did you just literally look at reference poses and do the Proko thing where you just focus on the major curves? Or who or what book would you recommend? I think your stuff is pretty good and just want to try and get to where you are now.

>>4510573
How old are you now gramps

>>4510581
29 fuck offffff. I live with my partner of 12 years and we still go to anime and video game cons. I work an office job and she's a college adjunct professor for math. We live in a small apartment with a pet bunny because neither of us wants kids or are ready for kids and might never be ready because of money and space, so we're basically just forever college kids until we start getting wrinkles and gray hair and then it'll get depressing.

I just want to draw.

Drawing my wife.

I'm pleased that its almost got the mucha/leyendecker-like aesthetic I want.

Not pleased with how flat the eyes look.

Still need to figure out how to draw hair.

>>4510592
why is she cross eyed

>>4510588
Post the rabbit gramps

>>4510592
Same energy

>>4508628
>It's a anon can't understand hands for shit episode
Getting real tired of this one

>>4510573
Thank you! I'm working on A and B right now actually, lol. For the drawings, I went on porn threads on /gif/, found poses I liked, and started drawing the 90/10 way I've been doing for a while (btw don't overthink being exact with it, just remember to look more and look often). I've never personally liked proko and I haven't used any books, the best way I can describe it is that I just kinda wing it, starting with the major shapes/ angles like the shoulders and hips and making sure to pay close attention to negative space and relative distance of the different angles to keep things proportional.

>>4510598
not really, the eyes are the only problem

>>4510596

>>4510606
>the only problem

>>4510608
High-quality bun

>>4510192
Thanks, but where can I find these books and that course?
Hopefully for free?

4/19 - 4/20

>>4510536
Where do I get poses like this to practice with?

>>4510605
Another anon seems to have proven that ultimately determination and mileage is the most important aspect of getting good.

Thanks and good luck!

>>4510616
Porn.

I'm starting to draw. Then I understand that this is uninteresting and unnecessary shit. So I can't draw further. How to turn it off?

>>4510620
Anything particular?
Should I just look up gravure or actual sex stuff?

>>4510616
>>4510624

Check >>4510605 - I've been going on /gif/ to get a lot of my poses. The best threads are the jav ones imo. I also use 7mmtv.tv if /gif/ isn't cutting it

>>4510624
Anon you need to start thinking for yourself. I understand that you're a lost /beg/ but you seriously need to just go do it. Do you want to draw females getting fucked? Watch sex porn. Do you want to draw females alone posing? Watch that

>>4510626
didn't see that, thank you

>>4510619
I'm on the path- and trying to make the most of the quarantine. Good luck to you as well!

>>4510588
>a fellow late-20s anon on a quest to produce homebrew porn
Huh, I wonder if this is the 4chan version of quarter life crisis. Best of luck, man, you're living the good life already.

>>4510623
By realizing that it's necessary inasmuch as you're getting practice. Unless you mean you start feeling like drawing is pointless, in which case, realize that you're trapped in the very common mindset of the modern age that anything you do is pointless unless you're making loads-e-money from it. Drawing is still inherently a better use of time than something like video games or watching Netflix, because it's a skill that humans have done through the ages. It can be done without technology, anywhere, at any time. It's worth it, as a hobby, and if you DO get good enough, as a way to make a bit of money as a side-benefit.

>>4510067
> no gesture
> same shitty process same shitty result

>>4510067
Next OP

Rate my sketch. I know it looks god awful but I don't know how to fix, so I just said "good enough"

>>4510648
Full picture

>>4510650
"Reference"

>>4510648
>Rate my sketch
Shut the fuck up

>>4510657
Thanks for the (You), have a good one (^^)

how do you avoid the urge to fap when drawing nude women?

>>4510670
Don’t see it as a nude human, rather something you have to study and dissect you horn dog

>>4510648
>>4510650
Based.

This faggot >>4510657 is jealous of your talent dont listen to this /beg/ trash. Good work I look forward for more of your work.

>>4510060
based, but trick yourself into drawing other things besides lolis, maybe cute clothes or hairstyles

analyze your fav mangas and do photo studies to expand your mental library

>>4510648
Based, has tons of soul and a hint of talent mixed in it.
>>4510657
Dilate more faggot

>>4510673
>>4510667
>>4510679
>>4510652
>>4510650
>>4510648


Shut the fuck up

>>4510685
Are you having fun yet miserable cunt? Go get beaten by your dad piece of shit

>>4510685
Your contribution to the thread is well appreciated (^^)v Have a hairy big titty fat fuck as thanks

>>4510626
>>4510536
are these your sketches?
Do you do any construction?

>>4510722
Yep, I don't do any 3d boxes or anything like that, I just start with simple shapes then add and refine until I get where I feel like I'm done.

>>4510732
Do you mind if i see what your construction looks like, like the shapes.
I wanna see what steps you take.

>>4510738
I didn't have any images of my construction so I banged one out for you. It's a bit sloppier than my usual studies but I hope it helps.

>>4510770
You know anon, it will take you hundreds upon hundreds or thousands to really see the huge gains coming through, but if you’re consistent you’d see gains in months.

>>4510778
I spent the last week doing almost entirely studies and already noticed the gains while drawing a porn comic w/o refs. The ref drawing meme is real... if only I listened when I was a small child and didn't wait till I got to my twenties.

>>4510782
Of course it’s real anon, I been doing the same for 4 days just doing studies upon studies ect, I’d say monthly because the gains are big enough to appreciate and motivated enough to work harder. I was able to see gains even how small coming through because of my new routine that I made.

>>4510786
now this is dedication to gmi. I'd say be careful about burnout, because I sure as hell need to pace myself a bit and have breaks. Good luck :)

Whadya think? Painted on cardboard.

>>4510786
how is this calendar set up, manual or automated?

>>4509714
looks like she lifts a LOT

>>4510808
Its automated anon, I just set it to “repeat forever”

>>4510815
Gotcha i see the pattern now. Thanks.

>>4510825
forgot to resize

>>4510770
It's okay anon, it helps, thank you

>drawing nonstop learning for a week

>wake up today and tries drawing on new program

>completely sucks

does changing programs vary my skill this much

Can someone please give me some good resources on learning to draw spheres and circles, i can't for the life of me draw a good one and i fell for the box meme as drawing them is super easy but i'm having trouble making any other shapes really.
>>4510866
Check all the settings, wacom settings might be set to a single program or the brushes might have different smoothing settings.

>>4509714
Bruh how do I get gainz like that tho
On god

>>4510888
>>4510814
Does she look that buff?
I thought it was just chubb

>>4510025
>calling that criticism

AAAGH IUVE DONE NOTHING BUT TRYING TO LEARN FOR A WEEK IM GONNA BURNOUT AHHHHH I STILL CANT DRAW

thanks for coming to my tedtalk

>>4510918
Take a break then keep coming back. You will improve- it takes time and work, but you will improve. Good luck :)

>>4510918
Completely unironically you have to eniterly give up on the notion of getting better and instead just do the best you can.
Eventually you will get better, even if you try to not improve while you draw you're going to get better.
The only thing that's going to stop you from getting better is not drawing.

My friend recently asked me to do some character design work for the game he's working on. I am supposed to draw a generic anime-esque female who will be acting as a guide to the player.

He saw some smut that I made for my own use and decided it's alright for his level but in reality I am just a /beg/ tradfag who have never drew an original design in my life and my linework is non-existent especially when it comes to complicated clothing.

>>4510951
Pyw

>>4510048
Meaningless question.
Just draw.

>>4510951
You know character design and clothing design all goes by regular-ass graphic design rules, right?

>>4510048
You need to be 18 to post in 4chan

>>4510963
okay but is my art good.

>>4510955
in a few hours, I am at work

>>4510967
>graphic design rules

I have no idea what this means, as I mentioned in the previous post, I have never drew anything completely original.

>>4510970
No you need to learn your fundamentals and stop drawing in cartoon network tumblr style. Find your own style damn it

>>4510975
Read The Skillful Huntsman
Watch Ctrl+Paint free videos on the elements of design
Watch sinix videos about design (Yeah I know sinix sucks but this is one thing he explains well)

You can even google the elements of design and get an understanding of what they are but you're not going to learn to apply them from that.

Look into color psychology and shape language. Look at fashion blogs and draw the clothes as blocks of shapes, then break them up into smaller shapes for the most important details. Get into doing silhouettes and just do a shit-ton of those, playing with shapes and proportion.

>>4510984
Thanks anon, that will come as a big help for me in the present and in the future when my skills are more solid.

>>4510935
>>4510918
I support this, just try your very best and notice when you're doing something wrong and try to do it right.
Success or not, putting your skills to test is what must be done at times, I don't really do "studies". I just start a piece and if my coloring or lineart is failing I simply try to bruteforce my way and do it better on the spot.

Of course, some anons would agree that I need to do studies and practice, myself included.
But I still wanted to say that just focus on doing your best - some other times though you can relax and NOT do your best, your mindlessly doodle for fun, but you're not there yet, it's like fishing or knowing when to shoot and when to cool down your weapon

>>4510923
>>4510935
>>4510988
thanks anons, I'll keep in mind that drawing is ment to be fun and I shouldn't stress so much

>>4510980
I don’t know what you’re talking about, I don’t copy jack shit from tumblr or cartoon network. The only thing I copy is furry artists on e621 and deviantart

>>4510970
What? No, of course not. That's ok though. No one's art is good in the very beginning, but you can become good over time.

>>4508628

>>4511063
Next OP material

>>4511064
It's something

i had enough with fucking grinding “fundies” i want to fucking break my wrist and forget drawing entirely FUCK THIS SHIT

>>4511079
>i want to fucking break my wrist and forget drawing entirely
You never learnt how to tho

Can someone tell me how to "grind fundies"?
I swear that I'll do it if you just tell me how.

>>4511091
Just draw

>>4511091
Do the same thing over and over again till you understand how it works.

>>4511091
Kek. Good luck finding answers to this question. Couple a days ago I asked the same question here and everything I got was
>JUST learn fundies
>Draw a CUBE DUDE

>>4511083
Stop, you are going to drive him to become an hero

>>4511091
Bro just learn basic construction and draw until you feel you have reached a limit, then grind fundies.

Help?

>>4511079
Most embarrassing post on /ic/

>>4511113
Can we make "if you drew from reference and it sucks then overlay your drawing onto the reference" part of the sticky?
You just have many obvious inaccuracies compared to the reference. No need to worry about, shading, line quality, etc at this point. Just overlay your drawing to see where you went wrong and work on observing more accurately next time.

>>4511105
>then grind fundies
But what does this mean.
What are the exercises. What does someone physically do when they grind fundies.

>>4511113
>>4511113
study human proportions and start with general shapes, and only when you get these right you should refine them, don't press your pencil so hard, actually look and compare angle and measurements ( and always measure from the short unit into the large one eg; how many hands go into the forearm etc).
Once you stop symboldrawing, get into construction and start over.
See you in a year.

>>4511113
just grind fundies.

>>4511133
>>4511091

>>4511136
>>4511133

>>4511091
read the sticky if you need guidance.

>>4511133
What does grinding fundies mean, basic shapes? Gesture drawing?
>>4511130
Thank you!

Where do I go from here?
Critique is much appreciated.

I traced an image to learn it's shapes and how to make lines using a tablet.
The one at the top is me tracing and all the others are me trying to construct it myself.
The absolute mess at the top left is me making an attempt to draw it from underneath and i then realized i need to take a bit of a break. I used my elbow and it instantly became easier to draw.

>>4511079
ngmi

>>4511147
You should start a YouTube channel and peddle regurgitated information that you yourself can't apply to your own work!
I bet there would even be ngmi's that would defend you.

did a couple studies. decided to leave the brushwork and play with the colors a bit

>>4511173

>>4511126
Perspective, anatomy, gesture

>>4511079
Soul

>>4511174
>>4511173
Methinks you should br more mindful of saturation and color temperature, especially on the ginger, you should see how warm and colorful some of her shadows get.

>>4511177
No, that's not specific enough.
How does one grind anatomy for example? Just copy lots of anatomy diagrams? Be able to draw them from memory? Take anatomy diagrams and draw them from different angles from imagination? Tell me, because it's not obvious.

>>4511180
hmm okay i see. yeah i chose this one specifically for the colors/lighting too so ill play with the colors more. they. are tricky

>>4511079
>your symbol drawing
>your

IF IT IS A CASE WHERE YOU WOULD SAY YOU ARE THEN YOU WRITE YOU'RE
IF IT IS A CASE WHERE SOMETHING BELONGS TO SOMEONE YOU SAY YOUR

LEARN TO WRITE FIRST BEFORE YOU TOUCH THE PAPER AGAIN

>>4511174
just check with color picker how off you are . Why wait for other to point out what you can easily check yourself. you do it for yourself.

Is it a healthy thing to use lots of floating body-parts if you're a beginner? I like to focus on small details but it's hard to put it all together naturally.

I'm a NEET and shut-in without even an ounce of real life obligations. Do you think I should still pace myself or just grind fundies all waking hours, assuming I won't burn out

>>4511219
I mean, if you already have floating body parts, why not connect them
>>4511223
Do you enjoy drawing at all?

>>4511226
I do not enjoy grinding fundies much but I know it's necessary to help me be happier with the stuff I do enjoy. I'm just trying to find the fastest way to get there and I'm wondering if just forcing myself to grind will be good or if trying to do too much in a short amount of time is a bad idea.

>>4511232
Don't force yourself to grind something against your will, or you'll burn out extremely quickly. I'm only saying this because you're a NEET and NEETs have very weak wills.

Just draw the fundies required, finish the drawing, and move onto another one. I'm guessing you probably want to draw loli's so look at loli artists and try to figure out the way they do gesture and the way they draw the body parts. Decrease the opacity of their image and draw a skeleton from their drawing, and then draw your own version from the skeleton. I'm only saying this since I assume you're very, very /beg/

>>4511242
None of your assumptions are true (weak will aside), but thanks for the advice.

new
>>4511267
>>4511267
>>4511267

>>4508885
>this shoe is lewd
>shoe

>>4510431
it look 3D but paper thin

>>4511223
just grind and take small breaks throughout the day, the sooner you learn the tools of drawing the quicker you can get to fun art making stuff. from what i can tell perspective and tone are important to know early and will make things easier later on. i still grind on and off when i can stomach it. best of luck anon.

>>4511079
>grinding “fundies”
>can't draw a box

>>4511091
draw a box guy says to you avoid grinding tho

>>4511125
but what if it is not a directly copy?

>>4509216
so loomis is unnecessary? then why put in the sticky?

>>4509860
Thumbnails really well but looks kinda amorphous and blurred when its full size.
Have you tried shading with a harder brush and sorta loosely blending it? maybe use a square brush so you don't get weird looking round edges

What do you think? I tried to use nakim here

>>4512321
Left eye is a little low. And she has the expression of a blow up doll. Otherwise good job.