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IF YOU ARE A /BEG/INNER IN ART, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice. We should not have to make new threads or post in the /draw/thread with our fundamental exercises.

Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, or you literally are never going to make it

previous >>4502533

READ THE STICKY if you need guidance.
Sticky: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uwaXKU7ev6Tw_or__o8ARpUb6r2rCZYJGqwSFV9AD98/edit#bookmark=id.15jx3pyuimvj

RESIZE YOUR IMAGES - try ~1000px, <1.1mb

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wip, any crits?

>> No.4505649

>>4505645
Very nice portrait, are you planning in doing a grayscale study of it?

>> No.4505659

>>4505645
this is the most /beg/ thing i've seen in this thread lmao

>> No.4505670

>>4505645
is he trying to hide that his mouth is full?

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>>4505631

Some ground rules to start this thread and the next /beg/ threads off:

>if you are /beg/
Don't ever give advice.
You can relate and share your hardships with other /beg/s, but never give them advice.
If you MUST give advice, start the reply off with "I'm beg, but what worked for me is..."

>Before you post your work
1. Every person giving advice here expects for you to have atleast read some of the sticky, and that you already know what you should be doing to improve.
In that light, replies such as "grind more fundamentals" are perfectly viable advice.
We expect you to know what the general fundamentals are (gesture, anatomy, perspective, drapery, etc.), and we expect you to know where you can find resources to practice these subjects.
Sometimes literally the only good advice to give is to practice more and improve you technique.

2. DO NOT post your 5 minute sketches that you didn't put much thought into. If you do post them then make sure to ask for SPECIFIC advice on a specific subject.
If you post a doodle and ask "where did i go wrong" or "how should I continue from here", expect to get meme replies such as "Loomis".

Follow these simple rules and the generals will become much more productive for both the /beg/s and the people giving advice.

>> No.4505681

>>4505645
>Polishing a turd this hard

>> No.4505684

>>4505679
shut up faggot :)

>> No.4505688

>>4505679
Half of the thread will be whining about fundies or just plain shitposting as usual.

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>>4505679
based and redpilled true, i goona post your pasta whenever im up

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>>4505684
Yeah show this faggot! We don't need common sense here!

>> No.4505694

>>4505688
shitposting could be easily avoidable , since the only thing that you need to do is not reply but even something as doing nothing is way too hard for most newfags zoomers ughh....

>> No.4505699

>>4505645
Ngmi

>> No.4505701

>>4505693
ur so cool and smart haha

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>mfw I have been drawing portraits for a while and it's always a throw of the dice how they turn out.
What's wrong with me, I don't understand how I can be so wildly inconsistent.
Maybe it's a matter of choosing poorly suited ref's?
I draw a lot, is it possible to get burnout from drawing?
Pretty much just looking for any explanation that doesn't boil down to me just being shit.
Although I suspect that that's the case.

>> No.4505707

>>4505679
pyw

>> No.4505711

>>4505694
There’s always new meat for the thread so it’s completely unavoidable, like someone posted the first reply to the thread with shitpost. And how about the rest going on?

>> No.4505712

>>4505706
go to the vent general you fucking whining bitch

>> No.4505715

>>4505712
No, fuck you

>> No.4505716

>>4505631
I CAN'T GET ANY BETTER. THE BOOKS ARE SO BORING.

IM GONNA QUIT

>> No.4505717

>>4505679
I don't know if it will work but, you do have the hearth in the right place.

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>>4505089

>> No.4505724

>>4505706
you're relying on luck and not on skill

> Maybe it's a matter of choosing poorly suited ref's?

a great artist can transform any ref into something at least good

> I draw a lot, is it possible to get burnout from drawing?

yes, but you're probably not drawing enough for that to really set in

> Pretty much just looking for any explanation that doesn't boil down to me just being shit.

i repeat you're relying on skill

post the good and the bad (preferably in one image side by side) and i'll help point out what's missing in the bad

>>4505712
go to therapy

>> No.4505727

>>4505679
>discouraging discussion
>discouraging people posting their work
>discouraging asking for personalised advice
wow, what a great post kill yourself

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torsos r tuff

>> No.4505733

>>4505727
t. seething beg

>> No.4505737

>>4505732
good shit n nice tanjirou

>> No.4505739

>>4505732
Loomis

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>>4505732
You pushed the serratus anterior muscle into the lats.
Study how the lats and the serratus anterior connect together and where they are positioned.

>> No.4505758

Any tips or exercises for improving proportion and line angle accuracy? Besides using a measuring tool, because that only seems to help if I’m drawing from life

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I...I'm improving bros?... I made the entire mapping without tutos :'^|

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>>4505679
>if you are /beg/
>Don't ever give advice.
>You can relate and share your hardships with other /beg/s, but never give them advice.
>If you MUST give advice, start the reply off with "I'm beg, but what worked for me is..."

Look man what is the point of the thread then? You realize the term /beg/ is constantly thrown out at everyone and your statement would just be used by people to argue about who that rem applies to and after failing then then it would devolve on what that term actually means.

Then the other thing is that if /beg/s can't give advice to each other then who should? Obviously the 90% of visitors are /beg/s so that means 90% of the threads' trfafic would be pointless. Maybe sometimes a few more knowledgeable people come and help out but that is like once in a blue moon which would mean actually advice will be way less.

You a openly just policing people here and trying to force a "class divide" between who is /beg/ and how is not when the term itself is incredibly vague and this is an Anonymous board. Thus any effort to classify or identify people runs counter to the very foundation this site was based on.

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is this how you improve

>> No.4505780

>>4505679
Good post. Let's all abide by this

>> No.4505788

>>4505727
Kill yourself retard, I guess you're happy with the same garbage each thread then?

>> No.4505797

>>4505788
what would be the point of the thread? i come here to get personalised advice. /int/ only ever posts every couple of days, to a random person (usually not me).
i would stop coming here if i just got told to 'keep doing what you're doing' every time i posted something. what would be the point?
i'm here to actually fucking discuss how to go about drawing with other reel human beings. if that's not what you're here for, fuck off back to your books.

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>>4505631
ref

>> No.4505805

>>4505679
>>Before you post your work
>1. Every person giving advice here expects for you to have atleast read some of the sticky, and that you already know what you should be doing to improve.
>In that light, replies such as "grind more fundamentals" are perfectly viable advice.
>We expect you to know what the general fundamentals are (gesture, anatomy, perspective, drapery, etc.), and we expect you to know where you can find resources to practice these subjects.

If someone already knows what they should be doing why would they be posting at the /beg/ thread anyways?

You cannot expect people to already know the general fundies, those are huge interconnected topics and that individually take quite a lot of time to learn, like even real paid courses spend years on them. How is someone a /beg/ if they already know those things? How is this a beginner thread if it expects you to NOT be a beginner?

>Sometimes literally the only good advice to give is to practice more and improve you technique.

That is literally the definition of a non-advice, that is so incredibly vague and generalized that it can be applied to literally anything from art to playing golf. Anyone can say that, even if they have no idea what they are talking about or and it doesn't really help anyone because it doesn't answer any questions.

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master study

>> No.4505809

>>4505806
Where’s the anime girl?

>> No.4505816

>>4505755
Thank you!

The lats, serratus and oblique area has been a major focus of studies.

>> No.4505819

i just had a thought, how many people above beg even check these threads?

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>>4505771
ngmi

>> No.4505827

>>4505805
>If someone already knows what they should be doing why would they be posting at the /beg/ thread anyways?
/beg/ is not only about asking for advice. You are free to post your progress or any work you've done recently, just expect that the quality of the advice you will get is directly related to the quality of your question. If you're not looking for advice and just want to showcase your progress or just want to discuss a certain topic, that's completely fine too.

>That is literally the definition of a non-advice
It's not. It's as reasonable as telling a novice pianist to practice scales, just to get the technique down, and to ingrain the theory they've been learning.
You sometimes see people who clearly understood the fundamentals, but they only lack practice to really cement what they've learned, or to simply improve line quality and confidence.

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>>4505777
Combine that, with imagination drawing and you become a sketch god.

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from the last /beg/ thread.

any tips on lineweight?

>> No.4505856

>>4505849
gimme advice bro how can I reach your level looks so fucking amazing, tutorials?

>> No.4505862

wtf
this isn’t even a /beg thread anymore
and why should begs have to already know what the fundamentals are? that sounds retarded as fuck.
is /beg/ just a meme now?

>> No.4505864

Why don't we just rename /beg/ to /int/ if all we're going to do is mock beginners and ask intermediate level advice

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>>4505856
Thanks fren.
I'm beg, but what worked for me is going through all the books I could possibly find in the mega's.
That is: Loomis, Hogarth, Bridgman, Hampton, some russian and italian ones and some japanese ones for manga although I didn't find a liking to the japanese ones. However, the 3 Bridgman books I found were the ones I liked the most.
I study those by skipping stuff I already know (porportions, muscles etc...) and copy the drawings where I think there is new knowledge to be gained.
Also, sometimes when I see a photo of a person with interesting new anatomical details, I draw them too.

>> No.4505893

>>4505864
Begs just need to stfu and grind fundies

>> No.4505900

Im gonna buy a screen tablet soon even though ive barely picked up a pen before. How stupid am i

>> No.4505902

>>4505900
Stupid. At most buy at pen tablet man or just practice trad first. No use in wasting money if u don't even know if ur gonna try to be gmi

>> No.4505903

>>4505864
>if all we're going to do is mock beginners
already playing the victim card? holy shit you are a unsufferable bitch you are far better on reddit or sites like that where people don't want to improve.

>> No.4505906

>>4505902
I own a regular non screen tablet but i left it in my other apartment. Thanks to quarrantine im stuck here with pen and paper that ive been using for a few weeks and i got the cash to spare to buy a huion kamvas 13/16 pro. Is it really that stupid? Reckon i should wait a few weeks to see if i really stick at drawing?

>> No.4505909

>>4505679
>replies such as "grind more fundamentals" are perfectly viable advice.
Go fuck yourself

>> No.4505913

>>4505900
If you're rich, not stupid at all.
If you're poor, then yes. All of the stupid.
If you really never have drawn before know this: a screen tablet won't speed up your learning process.
I just hope for you that you're not making this decision out of a spontaneous impulse because you got motivated by some drawings/videos/paintings you've seen online.
You can learn just as well using printer paper and a 50ct pencil.

The road to art is long, boring and painful, think good about that decision.

>> No.4505914

>>4505903
Posting "ngmi" in a begginer thread after someone posts beginner level art is mocking beginners

You have literally 100s of different threads you could post in. The /beg/ thread is where beginner art belongs. But unfortunately this thread is also where mentally ill losers with nothing good in their lives come to shit on people who are learning and want to improve their art

>> No.4505919

>>4505913
Ive got money but you know what guy youve convinced me to hold off. Ive wanted to get good at drawing for years but can never bring myself to learn properly. Maybe i should take the actual time to learn seriously instead of just sketching pokemon whenever im bored thanks dude

>> No.4505925

>>4505914
>who are learning and want to improve their art
I am doubtful about that part of your statement.
Look at this guy: >>4505909
They are neither willing to communicate in a civilized manner nor are they willing to study fundamentals.

And I am not defending these assholes
>>4505893
>>4505824
>>4505739

>> No.4505932

>>4505925
talk about uncharitable.
when you post your work here, you're not looking to be told to grind fundamentals for the 50,000th time.
what makes you think that anon isn't trying to learn fundamentals? they just don't want to be given it as advice in this general.

>> No.4505933

>>4505914
if i told you to kill yourself would ou do it? i hope so, cuz if you are too stupid to not tell if someone is shitposting you are better off saving the burden to your parents.where to you think you are, if people shit on you for no reason learn to ignore it's easy.

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Haha look at my autistic child level drawing fuck arts fun time to grind fundies

>> No.4505946

>>4505939
yet its endearing in a childlike way
Loomis

>> No.4505950

>>4505946
Thanks anon Whatever loomis is ill do that

>> No.4505957

Loomis fundies Loomis fundies pyw grind your fundies crab ngmi pyw grey sketch kun Loomis

>> No.4505967

>>4505932
Yes, noone's looking to be told to grind fundies here, I know that very well.
But if the drawings they post fail on a fundamental level (5 head-tall figures, arms reaching only to the bellybutton etc), then "grind fundies" is the proper advice for them, whether they want to hear it or not.

I think the sticky needs a revision where people get redirected to the actual, important fundies, where the most essential, and basic principles are explained. The fundies being:
-Proportions
-Perspective
-Anatomy
-Light and Shadow
-Color theory

in that order, then, I believe, this board will become a better place.

>but where is gesture?
Gesture is number one priority in a professional workflow, for people who make money, however, I would put it after color theory for a learning workflow. I am open for debates on this.

>> No.4505981

>>4505831
i need a better tablet though this ones jank as fuck

>> No.4505986

>>4505967
>But if the drawings they post fail on a fundamental level (5 head-tall figures, arms reaching only to the bellybutton etc), then "grind fundies" is the proper advice for them
No, the proper advice in that situation is "your figure is 5 heads tall and your arms only reach to the belly button".
"Grind fundies" is such an incredibly loaded term that means so many contradictory things to so many people that it's essentially worthless if it's your only piece of advice.
"Your figure is 5 heads tall" on the other hand immediately helps them see their own mistakes more accurately and gives them a specific idea of what they need to improve on.

>> No.4505988

>>4505873
does reading the texts help at all

>> No.4505989

Anyone got the mega link? I cant find it anywhere

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where did i go wrong /beg/?

>> No.4505995

>>4505989
nvm im an autist

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>>4505981
It's probably not your tablet, mine is quite fucked. I have big grind gains.

>>4505991
No loomis.

>> No.4506004

>>4505986
So the right course of action is spoonfeeding basic info as if /beg/ was an online class?
Don't you think that reading a Hampton/Loomis/youcallit book will give much more info in a much shorter period of time for a beginner? Rather than drawing something, coming to /beg, receive questionable advice, drawing again, repeat.?

>> No.4506005

>>4506000
You have the lowest gains to output ratio of any human in history

>> No.4506006

>>4505991
symbol drawing, using lines instead of values make it very unappealing. think of things as 3d forms, and practice drawing what you actually See

>> No.4506007

>>4505631
The thumbnail looks pretty good, but when you get a closer look..

>> No.4506008

>>4505991
lack of construction

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>>4506000
this is how fucked my lines are

>> No.4506011

>>4506004
If telling someone "your figure is 5 heads tall" is spoonfeeding then what does non-spoonfeeding advice look like?

>> No.4506015

>>4506000
why the fuck do you never draw heads properly

>> No.4506016

>>4505988
i skip most of the text and fly over paragraphs where I suspect explanations for the corresponding drawings to be.

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>>4506009
you win

>> No.4506025

>>4505727
It’s always the /beg/s reeee the loudest.

>> No.4506027

>>4505991
too much Loomis

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>>4505773
>class divide

>> No.4506034

>>4506011
non-spoonfeeding advice is more specific, stuff you won't find when grinding fundies:
>in a sideview the deltoid slopes downwards from front to back
for example.

Which is completely legitimate, I don't expect beginners to know such specific details, however, I am not asking too much when I expect them to know how tall a normal figure is in head-units.

>> No.4506036

>>4506011
you're based and helpful. thank u
>>4506004
i get where you're coming from, figuring things out for yourself and shit can make for a rewarding process, but the /beg/ thread is here for a reason. /beg/s literally do not know whats wrong even if it hit them. You have to "spoonfeed" children thats what teaching is. independence will come eventually

"grind fundies" is unhelpful advice imo, doesnt give them a push in the right direction at all, its really vague

>> No.4506037

>>4506018
huion?

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>>4506015
I'm not working on heads, If it isn't clear enough. They're not worth it till you get big fundies.

>> No.4506045

>>4506037
gaomon

>> No.4506053

>>4506038
This is what you get when everyone tells you "grind fundies" and you take them seriously

>> No.4506055

>>4505679
back to reditt you fucking spaz

>> No.4506057

>>4506038
Stay in that shit general /asg/, stop leaving your containment.

>> No.4506060

>>4506053
I don't see any fundies having been ground here. Quite the contrary, actually. It looks more like a full dose of anaymay and >muh style

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>> No.4506073

real talk wtfs the point of grinding and grinding and grinding and gr
grinding fundies when all you /beg/s do is grind them in a vacuum. just 100s of floating poses and boxes and heads in this godforsaken thread. why dont you grind them while trying your best to make a full drawing???? are we too stupid for that or smthn???? am I the stupid one??? wtf /beg/

>> No.4506074

What screen tablets do you all use /beg/?

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>>4506004
>as if beg was an online class
what do you think this place is for if not posting your working and giving / getting feedback? are you braindead?
>reading hampton will give more information
yeah, which is hard to internalise and execute, which is why they come onto this shit board filled with retards like you so they can get advice on their execution.
you realise the spirit of hampton isn't embodied in his pdf, right? i can't get feedback from his writings?
>>4506034
how is that different?
>wouldn't expect a beg to know that
they would if they read books on anatomy, wouldn't they now, autismo?

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>>4506053
>>4506060
Come on bros, Proko said the FORCE would help me.

>> No.4506081

>>4506076
Yeah you actually have to use it for it to help you, numbskull

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What exactly am I doing wrong here?

>> No.4506140

>>4506124
how on god's green earth did you come up with those perspective lines?

>> No.4506142

>>4506124
Oh also, ignore the head pls :3

>> No.4506150

>>4506124
draw bigger and do construction

>> No.4506151

>>4506140
I don't know, I just put them there.

>> No.4506191

>>4506151
make sure to measure, look for parallels, etc.
and flip the canvas.

>> No.4506196

>>4506124
draw construction and do bigger

>> No.4506232

>>4506124
>>4506151
Don't do things if you don't know what they're for or how they work.

Specifically, you put your perspective eye-line/horizon off the top of the image. Unless the photographer is standing up on something and looking down on the figure, or the figure is sitting/laying down on the ground, in most cases the eye-line is going to be... around the eyes (or lower). If you hold a camera up to your face, and point it at somebody else's face, unless one of you is freakishly tall or short, that's about where it's gonna be. In this photo the eye-line is probably lower to get the whole figure in the shot (camera is on a shorter tripod or the photographer is doing that crouch thing you always see them do).

So you drew some way wrong guide lines and then tried to copy a figure that's in a completely different perspective onto those lines. There's no way that was gonna help you.

Additionally, if you're starting out practicing construction and drawing from observation, you should pick one of those to be the focus of a study. Eventually you want to combine the best of both, but it can be counter productive when a poor understanding of one causes you problems with the other.

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feet study

>> No.4506333
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>watch any Vilppu video
>can't comprehend anything of what he says, it's all jut a bunch of vague mumbo-jumbo about "volume, form" and so on and so forth that doesn't paint a complete picture

>> No.4506342

>>4505939
I like child level drawing, why do people think it's bad? I think the style is very endearing. I don't know why people consider it to be "bad" art.

>> No.4506354

>>4506333
It's because he's a hack who doesn't have any artworks, just studies.

>> No.4506355

>>4506333
Just feel the rhythm bro :^)

>> No.4506362

>>4506333
It's easy to find many many concrete examples of those things.
Volume is cubes, spheres, eggs. Simple 3D shapes. You can make those shapes look 3D with shading, or you can do it with wrapping lines, like how Loomis wraps lines around circles to make them look like spheres at the very beginning of FWAP. Form is basically just a synonym.
The concepts are very simple. It's only when you try to build a full drawing based on them that it's hard.

>> No.4506400

>>4505645
Needs more Loomis

>> No.4506460

>>4505631
what videos are the best to learn from? the books are super boring.

>> No.4506486

>>4506460
bob ross bb

>> No.4506622

>>4505679
ummmm gonna post this at r/gatekeeping :^)

>> No.4506655
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look for mostly natamy and construction

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>>4506124
Ok, I did this again but this time taking >>4506232 advice and focusing almost exclusively on observation. Thoughts?

>> No.4506665

>>4506662
Stupid fucking 4chan rotating images for no reason.

>> No.4506666

>>4506072
I have absolutely no idea what this is supposed to be.

>> No.4506667

>>4505679
This post is making a lot of /beg/s seethe. Kek

>> No.4506670

>>4506622
Pyw

>> No.4506706

>>4505689
wow anon your pic is so cool

>> No.4506719

>>4506667
t. beg

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>>4506666
Well I don't blame you.

It is a witch looking at ruins of a city being take by a shadowy tentacle thing.

The idea came from a random prompt

>> No.4506775

>>4506073
focus

>> No.4506836

How long should you be spending on each study?

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>> No.4506863

>>4506844
The ears don't look like a horn anymore, good job although the eyes freak me out

>> No.4506962

Not a specialist on the subject but I think it's "just draw" until you get some experience and understand your limitations and then "grind fundies" and pay attention to reality. Person will better understand what are they are doing and gaining and actually interested to sort out what is going on. Not effective but more organic. Doing it in the opposite order is more effective, with exercises and studies person will get same mileage but in more productive way. and person will then "just draw" with awareness of basic concepts already and some foundation. but it is nonfun with pencil and oppressive,

>> No.4506969

>>4506844
GMI good bunno

>> No.4506972

>>4506836
i spend 30 minutes to an hour on a study. maybe an hour and thirty minutes to polish it, but after an hour and thirty minutes it just feels like a waste of time.

>> No.4506984

Like in this old movies there like old master and he order student to do what is seemingly bullshit [ why this something I want to actually learn fight/ what this stupid cubes,I want to draw little girls with giant dicks when we do that] but then student become master and realize it all has total sense and cube was important to property position giant dick in space.

>> No.4506992

UGH, WHAT THIS STUPID CUBES???
I WANT TO DRAW LITTLE GIRLS WITH GIANT DICKS WHEN WE DO THAT !!

>> No.4506997

>when /v/ drawthreads are more helpful than here
welp, eat shit /ic/

>> No.4507017
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How does one go from sketchy render to full render? I always get stuck at this step

>> No.4507020
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>>4506997
>begs giving begs advice

>> No.4507023

>>4506984
Not a single god damned professional artist started out by grinding cubes and I will not believe otherwise until I hear a direct statement from said artist to the contrary.

>> No.4507025

>>4507020
So like this thread?

>> No.4507027
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How the fuck do I paint

>> No.4507030
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I got ignored last thread, thoughts? Yes I used a reference

>> No.4507032

>>4507030
It's cute.
Post the reference.

>> No.4507033

>>4507025
no, this thread is begs pretending to be int so they can condescendingly tell them to 'grind fundies'.

>> No.4507034
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>>4507032
>>4507032

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>>4507030
oh i remember your work, but was too tired to comment

things are generally looking okay except for her breasts

unless she has a hefty push up bra her breasts won't be floating like that, they'll lay flat on her ribcage

>> No.4507045

>>4507034
Cute reference
Post your work

>> No.4507048

>>4506318
Some of these are a bit weak but most came out nicely.
I suggest not adding apparel until you have control with naked feet. Apparel often turns into a crutch.

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>>4507045

>> No.4507059

>>4507045
What?

>> No.4507067

>>4507023
Well almost everyone "start" with some pencil when 5 years old/at school. It is kind of common denominator. No professional artist has previous academic education you say? you have no idea what they did or not. But as I said it work both ways, one is more organic and another seems more efficient. "Just draw" then.

>> No.4507088

>>4507067
>Well almost everyone "start" with some pencil when 5 years old/at school.
I hear this statement occasionally on this board and I think it's weird that people believe this. Yes, I was OCCASIONALLY prompted to try and draw something at school, but I always did the bare minimum and never did it spontaneously. I basically never drew anything except a stick figure until I was 26. When I started learning as an adult, I was starting from true, absolute zero. The difference between me and the average professional artist who drew for fun their whole life is enormous.
>No professional artist has previous academic education you say?
That's obviously not what I meant. What I meant was that the average professional artist drew for fun for so many years and was so good by the time they went to art school that grinding cubes was never part of their foundational education or experience in any meaningful way. They already knew how to draw by the time someone told them to grind cubes, if indeed they ever did grind cubes at any point.

>> No.4507097
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Following Naraanbaatar's anatomy guides.

Only covered 10% of the nose anatomy stuff but seems good so far.

>> No.4507104

>>4505645
>hiding hands
ngmi

>> No.4507107

What does ngmi mean?

>> No.4507109
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after like almost 6 months of nothing I have created this in a few minutes, don't worry I got you covered I don't like it myself

>> No.4507117

>>4505679
>DO NOT post your 5 minute sketches that you didn't put much thought into. If you do post them then make sure to ask for SPECIFIC advice on a specific subject
fug. well see ya later /ic/

>> No.4507124

>>4505849
This is unforgivable

>> No.4507128

>>4507107
Never get my imponderability

>> No.4507129

>>4507030
>>4507034
That’s copying not referencing

>> No.4507131

>>4507117
why do you care what that retard thinks?
just what what you have

>> No.4507141

>>4507107
Nordic Doctors Mitigate Illness

>> No.4507149

>>4507129
there are a number of differences..

>> No.4507151

>>4507149
>I swapped some colors
>I-It's only referenced not copied

>> No.4507156

>>4507149
Lol

>> No.4507159
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Drawing is hard.

>> No.4507163

>>4507149
Filename wise?

>> No.4507167

>>4507088
ugh, first you can dismiss anything I say, it's just pretentious babbling, I have such episodes occasionally.. I do not know what to grind cubes exactly mean.(And I do not have such education) But composition, "still life"s of primitives and perspective construction all part of education I suspect almost everywhere. and all involve cubes in some way at some point and is mandatory.

>> No.4507171

>>4507151
pyw

>> No.4507176

>>4507159
>wire fingers
>those ''knees''
>sticker eyes
>pillow shading
>black shading
>sausage calves
if you fix those you might have a not so bad looking drawing

>> No.4507185

I promised myself that I'd do like 16 hours of practice today but in the end I only did about 20 minutes of awful doodles that looks like something an 8 year old could do. Tomorrow for real this time.

>> No.4507186

>>4507176
Aside from the advice in the sticky, where do recommend I start? That's a rather hefty list.

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>>4507171

>> No.4507191

>>4507159
The legs aren't lookin' too hot, rest of it is passable though.

>> No.4507193

>>4507191
based beg

>> No.4507195

>>4507189
I think I may be starting to hate you more than grey sketch kun.

>> No.4507200

>>4507185
yesterday you said tomorrow. stop giving up. JUst Dddd-o it.

>> No.4507203

>>4507193
Oh sorry, what I meant to say is, you are shit and perma-ngmi because you didn't post the next Ruan Jia piece, how dare you post anything below professional quality in the /beg/ thread. Is that better?

>> No.4507204

>>4506076
You really need to focus on gesture. Almost all of your sketches look like the exact same, straight-back pose. You are going to get very good at drawing that singular pose and nothing else.

>> No.4507209

>>4507191
Thanks man, I'll have to practice legs specifically for a while.

>> No.4507211

>>4507189
cool

>> No.4507218

>>4507203
you didn't aport anything with your post just babbled some compliment in form of a critique but the cherry on top is that you said it's passable, for whom, you? surely not for him if he want's to improve

>> No.4507219

>>4507203
Please read this post >>4505679
You're not supposed to give any advice

>> No.4507226

>>4507219
Get fucked

>> No.4507235
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I finally figured out why I couldn't draw this fucking head tilt. The brain tries to correct the tilt because I wasn't drawing anything else.
Once you draw the shoulder line / neck FIRST, then drawing the head tilt is easy as fuck with perfect accuracy.

Lesson: draw something that will ground the brain first before drawing rotations and shit. Draw the ENTIRE picture not just "a head".

>> No.4507247

>>4505773
the point is to commiserate with eachother and motivate one another. advice from /beg/s to other /beg/s is actively harmful.

>> No.4507257

>>4507247
sometimes it isn't though. people can be ahead in some areas and behind in others.
it's also a lot easier to notice the flaws in other people's works than it is your own.

i've seen weird comments from people in this general, but usually when that happens everyone else shits on them.
this really hasn't been a huge issue so far, i don't think. why is this suddenly a huge thing?

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>>4507257
i've given out a lot of terrible advice and nobody has ever called me on it

>> No.4507265

>>4507247
IN GENERAL you're right but there's multiple problems with trying to establish that as a blanket rule:
1.) The people who read this thread at all are overwhelmingly /beg/s. If the only people who could actually discuss study methods, specific problems with pieces, etc. were non-/beg/s then meaningful discussion would quickly dry up.
2.) How do you decide who's a /beg/ and who's not. If you visit the ranking threads, people disagree all the time over who is /int/ and who is /beg/.
3.) Trying to set rules like this about who can post what is extremely gay and is against the spirit of 4chan's culture of anonymity. Thankfully that very anonymity also makes such rules completely unenforceable. /ic/ has a culture of asking someone to pyw when someone wants to challenge their advice. That's worked perfectly fine so far and that will probably always be the culture here.

>> No.4507269

>>4507259
when people redline, or when an OP replies back "wow thansk a lot, i'm definitely going to take this on board :)))))", people will flip out if they disagree. just what' i've seen.

but you've purposefully given out bad advice? big weird.
even so, i think most people can intuit bad advice from good. in the end people will be inherently skeptical about critique to their own work and will test out / analyse it.

>> No.4507286

>>4507269
purposely? no, but i've dunninged out plenty, which is the problem with /beg/s trying to provide specific critiques.

>>4507265
discussing study methods(books, courses, tuts, exercises, etc) is different then /beg/lining somebody's work, or worse, vaguely describing what they think is wrong with it.

>> No.4507293

>>4507189
why do you keep posting Mikufag’s tripe

>> No.4507295

>>4507286
for what it's worth, i don't disagree that a insignificant amount of the time, /beg/ critique is vague or off the mark, but i think i've already responded to that, so we'll just be going around in circles at this point.

>> No.4507299

>>4507295
*non-insignificant

>> No.4507301

>>4507286
pyw to prove you are not a /beg/ :^)

>> No.4507307
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Crab me. Tell me anything but loomis.

>> No.4507314
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Some ground rules to start this thread and the next /beg/ threads off:

pyw

>> No.4507326

Man this thread is worst than the last one lol.

>> No.4507330

>>4507326
>worst

>> No.4507339

>>4507307
vilppu

>> No.4507377
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Seems like I have decent ability to reproduce shapes while I look at them(minus messy execution). Only ability I have no need for - tracing is more effective.if this is the goal.

>> No.4507380

>>4507377
The hair looks flat and doesn’t have form, but good job.

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>> No.4507401

>>4507380
Yea hair is more like hackwork. I didn't paid enough attention to what is actually going on with them especially on the scull.

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>>4505809

>> No.4507408

>>4507380
Shut the fuck up /beg/ger this is not anime

>> No.4507418
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why does the face look so flat i cant figure it out help pls. rendering it is obviously not helping i am doing what u like to call
polishing a turd

>> No.4507429

>>4507418
beg here, but, overlapping and distortion is the main thing, right? this is meant to be an extreme angle? it's not enough to just squish it.
that's probably as far as i can go. sorry if that doesn't help.

>> No.4507442

>>4507404
Me on the left. God I wish that were me.

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>>4507418

>> No.4507447

>>4507404
NO THAT CANT BE LOOMIS ISNT BLACK????

>> No.4507462

>>4507429
>>4507444
Thank u both im gonna fix it now

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>>4505721
Thank you for the advice! I tried to redline myself with that

>> No.4507470

>>4507326
It's the best one, it opened up with legitimate guidelines we should be following but people would rather reee without any legitimate points

>> No.4507472

>>4507418
in addition take a look at a skull
https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/base-head-planes-with-skull-f81b35dc39b04252b8b6405dfe160994

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>> No.4507507

>>4507472
Also helped, thank u

>> No.4507508
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pls help

>> No.4507537
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anatomy is really hard and im scared i'll never improve help me bros

>> No.4507571

>>4505849
I hope this is bait but i doubt anyone would put that amount of effort into a bait here. Really nice drawing though but the pose looks a bit stiff, make the tatas giggle a little.

>> No.4507574
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My sister's poodle

>> No.4507578

>>4507574
Good job! Very cute dog!

>> No.4507581

>>4507574
E.T.-ass motherfucker

>> No.4507587
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4507587

this might sound like a weird question, but what if you switched a and b around in these images?
i think if you did, the perspective would change-- in the sense of the viewpoint.
but at that point, if that's true, what's really going on between the vanishing points and the 'viewer'?
it seems really bizarre to me that these two things are interconnected, and i'm not sure how to internalise it. or what to do with that information.

>> No.4507602

>>4507587
wouldn't you just see the back of the room? and arent the vanishing points like ur peripherals? like exactly 90 degrees from looking straight on. i think. i might be stupid but whateva

>> No.4507611

>>4507602
>vanishing points are your peripherals
oh, that's what he meant with the cube shit. god i knew something was meant to be clicking.
thanks a lot anon

>> No.4507618

>>4507587
separate from different question, can some one explain what they are asking for. point a point b. Camera must be moved somewhere?

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Any feedback, how is this looking so far. As far as I can see, the only really jarring problem is that it looks like I mede her right eye slighly larger. Not sure if that's because hair is blocking. Will post reference.

>> No.4507620
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>>4507619

>> No.4507622

>>4506072
This looks like it could be really good if i could tell what's going on

>> No.4507624

>>4507574
Oh god what type of scp cryptic skinwalker piece of ass is that

>> No.4507625

>>4507624
poodle

>> No.4507628

>>4507578
>>4507581
Thanks!

>> No.4507630

>>4507109
It looks interesting in a kirsch way, like what you would find in a knock off t-shirt in a Mexican market.

>> No.4507688
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How the fuck do i draw legs properly man. Do i just keep going, analyze my mistakes, and put in hour dedicated to learning legs and possibly arms?

>> No.4507690

>>4507688
FUCKING FUCK HOW THE HELL DOES THIS SHIT TURN OUT SIDEWAYS I'M FUCKING DONE

>> No.4507702

>>4507628
B

>> No.4507705

>>4507619
Loomis

>> No.4507722

>>4507508
I’ll be more specific about the type of help I’m wanting with this: how do the values and perspective read?

>> No.4507743
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>>4507574
I think I'll finish it tomorrow

>> No.4507745

>>4507743
Looking good so far, keep it up

>> No.4507795

>>4507705
What do you mean? Does it look too flat?

>> No.4507837

>>4507508
Have you watched the "Understanding Color" video yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj1FK8n7WgY
Based on your painting I think it would be helpful to have a watch if you haven't done so yet.

Could also watch the "Understanding composition" afterwards composition is important for landscapes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8i7OKbWmRM

Finally here is a Fundamentals of Landscapes which is a cutout of a paid content but has some good groundwork and basics that I think will help your landscape paintings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWMMo1v594Y
Warning this vid is almost 3 HOURS!

Hope that helps.

>> No.4507893

>>4507537
You actually got the perspective pretty well with these.
Obviously anatomy is lacking especially with feet, hands, and pelvis area. So focus on studying those parts on the skeletal and muscular level.

>> No.4507910

>>4507688
I think one thing you need to study is the thighs, seems like you're symbol drawing them currently.
Study the quads and hamstrings especially, and how they shape the upper leg. If you want to go all the way study how fat is distributed in the inner thigh, and also the anatomy of the knee.

>> No.4507911

>>4507795
I think he's saying you're supposed to bash your head in with a stack of Loomis manuals until you either absorb the knowledge within them or develop a brain tumor from all the concussive force you're taking.

Or he's saying you should read up on how to do good facial structuring.

>> No.4507914

>>4507619
The main shapes are looking alright, any minor mistake can be fixed while you add more details. The shape of the left eye, nose, and mouth is not similar to the ref, but if you're not going for exact likeness then I think it's not a problem.
Add more detail and post your progress.

>> No.4507916

>>4507837
thank you! I’m watching them now very helpful

>> No.4507976

>>4507027
good start

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>>4505849
his arm looks so wonky to me, and the ripple effect from the smack needs work too i think. Dunno how though...

Also noticed a small tangent with his face and her arm.

>> No.4508006

>>4507377
You seem to be same level as me, I think both of us need to start working on lighting so that our lines aren't just fully outlining shit. Source has strong lighting from the left but you've fully outlined the lips.

>> No.4508024

>>4505849
This would be really good if you had started with gesture. Grind gesture or you will be shitting on your potential forever.

>> No.4508070

>>4507107
Newly Gained Mastery Incorporated

>> No.4508114

>>4507107
memeing aside, it means 'not going to make it'
peope here call each other ngmi to say that you will never be a succesfull artist, never getting into the industry or you'll never be able to live off your art.

its basic crabbing

>> No.4508125

>>4507107
"not gonna make it"

>> No.4508131

>>4506333
Literally read up on the definitions of volume and form.

>> No.4508139

>>4507159
IMO you need to learn the shape each limb has and you need to work on your spatial reasoning

>> No.4508143

>>4507023
just wait until I become a pro then!

>> No.4508159

>>4508143
Yeah I was gonna work that point into my post somehow but it would have weakened my rhetorical force.
I'm sure there are some pros at this point who got their start from /ic/ and started by grinding boxes at absolute zero. But for most really top tier pros, the Muratas, the Amanos, the people you look up to, that's obviously not the common path.

>> No.4508162

>>4507622
unfortunately that is the best I can do right now.

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>>4507204
Stop giving your /beg/ advice to someone who actually knows how to draw.

>> No.4508167

Can grey sketch kun be banned from replying to people under the "/beg/s can't give advice" rule.

>> No.4508213

>>4508159
My problem with this argument is the hidden premise that if it wasn't not done in the past it is not worth doing in the present.

>> No.4508227

>>4508159
Those professionals artist been drawing since there where a kid and had a huge headstart compared to everyone else who started a later age and didn’t had the mileage to easily digest the fundies

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>>4507035
>let me tell you about breast anatomy
no thanks, i've already seen enough

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Posting this here because I don't wanna make a new thread:
Where do I find good photo references for a beginner like me? Preferably something with good lighting and more of a focus on heads.

>> No.4508243

>>4508242
Literally the asaro head.

>> No.4508245

>>4508243
What?

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>>4507976
It's not a start, I've been drawing with flat colors and cel-shading for 5 years

>> No.4508253
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4508253

Posted this on /trad/ but I think it also fits in here. It's my second ever oil painting I've ever done, what do you think?

Also wanted to learn how to draw, I found some mega.nz link with books and reference pics, and would like to know in which order would you read them: Fun with a pencil, drawing with the right side of the brain, keys to drawing.

I think I will start with fun with a pencil

>> No.4508254

>>4508252
Anon I...

>> No.4508263

how the hell are people able to shit out a drawing basically everyday? im struggling to just do 1 drawing in like a week

>> No.4508265

>>4508263
Most people are under lockdown right now.

>> No.4508268

>>4508265
no i mean like im looking back in time, at various artists from like 2008-2014 and practially they were able to shit out a drawing every other day

>> No.4508272

>>4508253
It looks nice! Do you have a reference pic? I think there might be some inconsistencies with the lighting. Might very well be wrong, I just want to check myself too

>> No.4508273

>>4508268
NEETs

>> No.4508277

>>4508263
I shit out 20 drawings a day lol

>> No.4508282

>>4505849
is this the power of the coomer?

>> No.4508283

>>4508252
have you continued on that piece? post and i give premium advice

>> No.4508286

>>4508283
I didn't but today I will do another one

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>>4508272
>>4508253
Here you go

>> No.4508345

>>4508286
try to do some sharp edges, then you will see what you need to work on.

>> No.4508352

>>4507195
>grey sketch kun
you mean asukafag?

>> No.4508360

>>4508352
Asukafag and grey sketch kun are two different people.

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I really like these two, but something about them feels wrong. What is it?

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>>4508409
Reference

>> No.4508412

>>4508166
he's right, shits stale bro, stop using crutches

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>>4507893
you're right holy shit, im awful and hands and feet and pelvises, thank you anon

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>>4508409
you very shy about noses.

>> No.4508430

>>4508409
>>4508410
Overlay your drawing onto your reference in any paint program and you'll see what's wrong.
Try tracing over one of your references (lines only, no shading) and compare how it looks to the same drawing you did freehand.

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If anything, I love drawing.

>> No.4508436

>>4508427
hmm. me too. lower one definitely need more nose

>> No.4508441

>>4508427
>>4508430
Yeah, I sort of get it now. I have a habit of slipping into the "monkey see, monkey do" mentality when I'm drawing, where I just mix what I know of the Loomis method with what I see in the reference without truly understanding how things work like they do, which makes my drawing look sort of "weird".
How do I break out of this?

>> No.4508454

>>4508441
they recommend to try draw something upside down. it will be horrible but you can not rely so much on assumptions and be forced to actually look. do not know how well it help to actually modify behavior.

>> No.4508519

>>4505849
Not beg

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God I fucking hate drawing
4 months in and I haven't improved even a little bit, the only time I was happy with my work was after a week when I made a shitty copy of a 2d cartoon character, grinding """""fundies""""" have done fuck all in terms of improvement and "just drawing" is even worse. I wish I could just forget about it and move on because objectively I'll never succeed.

>> No.4508580

>>4508573
>>4505712

>> No.4508583

>>4508573
I been drawing for 2 years and only recently I took it seriously

>> No.4508588

>>4508162
It's a really nice composition though, don't get discouraged. I would like to see more from you, you have potential.

>> No.4508601

>>4505631
if you had to start drawing again from nothing which book would you begin with?

>> No.4508618

wtf im suppose to be sketching with as few lines as possible? how come nooone told me this

>> No.4508619

>>4505645
isn't that nigga on the money lmao

>> No.4508624

>>4508263
Set up a time limit and after that time you are done no matter what.

>> No.4508630

new

>>4508628
>>4508628
>>4508628

>> No.4508633

>>4508588
thanks anon!

>> No.4508756

Can I gitgud working hard and smart? Like being aware of my mistakes, striving for quantity and quality, spaced repetition, doing fundies etc.

>> No.4508761

>>4508263
Try this https://tomato-timer.com/
Draw something for 25 mins, rest for 5
Draw again for another 25 mins, rest for 10
Rinse and Repeat.

>> No.4508982

>>4507910
Thanks anon

>> No.4509063

>>4508618
I'm still struggling to wrap my head around that too.

>> No.4509661

>>4507050
>>4507059
"Post more" is what I think he's trying to say

>> No.4510884

>>4507017
Look up process/speedpaints