/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4502533
that unironically looks like a stereotypical american prostitute, that's how i imagine hookers to be in the states

WHEN WILL I GET GOOD
WHEN CAN I LEAVE /BEG/
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>4502566
You're here forever

>>4502566
Why do you want to leave? Isn't it cozy here?

Don't reply to him

>>4502566
We are the only ones who love you
And accept you. Why would you want to leave us? Are we not good enough for you?

; )

>>4502566
You never leave, if you trust /beg/, and the discord trolls.

>>4502604
youre getting the hang of it, but the pelvis matched with the center line of the torso. make sure everything youre constructing is in line w everything else

>>4502566
never

How can I improve my hair shading?

thanks anon from before; I think my noses are symbol drawn that's why they have no form.

>>4502566
the real /beg/s were the friends that we made along the way!

Is it true that you can get a feel for fundamentals by grinding life studies?

anything off so far?

gonna try using a reference soon lol

>4501147
To illustrate what >4501174 is saying.

You need a plan, you can't start rendering like that without knowing what goes where. I like to incorporate my sketch into my painting process to preserve the maximum of the sketch shapes, Also you get more texture as the sketch lines seeps a bit out the painting here and there.

Just put you sketch on multiply and start blocking out a rudimentary value / color base. Be crisp with your shapes (personally i tend to lasso them). Then you can merge and start painting, rendering on top of it.

When you render, especially in the beginning, try to be conservative with your strokes. Big deliberate strokes that describe big bold shapes, and use a solid brush. As you get toward a finished piece you are gonna use finer and finer strokes depending of how detailed you want it to be.

Also don't be afraid to use the whole value range, play with saturation in the midtones (having a dash of saturation at the limit between shadows and light planes usually works well), lose edges in shadow.

If you do all of that, your painting should get a bit less muddy.

>>4501147 and >>4501174

>>4502693

>>4502666

I have no anatomical knowldge, so i'm trying to understand and FEEL the form from copying some of glenn drawings.
I can finally FEEL it. some forms are harder especially in the shoulder area i can't make the form
Am i gonna make it bros ?

>>4502646
If you are trying to copy bridgmen you need to understand the forms, and control your line quality. take your time don't rush it. good luck

I fucked up the angle of the torso during the earlier stages and I decided to adapt the rest of the image to a new pose so that it would match the new angle. Should I have done that?

>>4502861
Reference used

>>4501887
Wow thanks a lot dawg, I think I have a severe lack of understanding of shading for anime shit. How do I not be retarded?
Do you have a specific tool or do you just take a lighter colour/softer brush and start to outline like I do?

>>4502819
Can you FEEL this out for me ?

>>4502839
Im FEELING THE FORM!! i can kinda understand it. bridgman draws the figures really nicely you can tell the shapes and forms combining toether

>>4502861
No you should have done a gesture on the early stages and made sure the placement of body parts was correct before moving on to anything else.

>>4502792
I was trying to make sense out of it as well. I didn't saved it and result was unsatisfying but I was thinking it must be something along these lines because sketch feels very round but render do not feels round

>>4502899
Is it just a case of paying closer attention then?

>>4502906
Measure once, measure twice, measure thrice.

>>4502899
Easier said than done. Maybe impossible for a /beg/.
I didn't realize how awful some of my drawings were until I tried to ink and color them and I was confused why nothing was working right.
If something is just a sketch/underdrawing then you'll judge it by an easier standard and let certain ambiguities and standards slide, at least until you gain enough experience to correct this thought process.

>>4502861
rolling with fuckups is a useful skill and fine, but not if you're doing it because you're being lazy or getting too attached to what you already have down.

>>4502906
Check by superposing the ref and your drawing. Look how off you are, repeat the exercise, check again, repeat again.

May sound redundant but it helps a lot with correcting big offsets especially when you just started. Doing figure studies and not correcting them is pretty pointless (except for building confidence i guess).

>>4502792
>>4502905
Thank you! I'll try coloring again sometime with those tips in mind.

>>4502815
wasn't that a joke?

>>4503024
He replied to a joke with a joke.

>>4502897
tried doing some drawing

>>4502861
>I can see forever.jpg

>>4502533
Dude loves Karl kopinski.

Just woke up from a comfy dream and drew this

>>4503117
The anatomy obviously sucks, but that's the most soul I've seen on one picture in a while.

>>4503125
Some anatomy for you then

>>4502533
tell me how this is going so far. what mistakes what to fix

>>4503156
Looks more like she's on a bathtub

>>4503078
gudiacne plz

>>4503160
Thats the idea. Emerging from some water.

I feel like something is missing, I'm doing something along the lines of blind/quick looks down contour drawing. I want to know if there's something that could be done to help me along in pure draftmanship

>>4503173
Rendering all that hair when the shapes underneath don't make any sense is a waste of time, it will always look bad. Either work on the construction first or roughly sketch it many times until you get something worth rendering. (Also resize your images before posting).

>>4503173
You've done it now Mr.
You need to leave /beg/ for this because it is far beyond from the average /beg/ger level, I hope you're proud.
Also, Cute!

>>4503187
why are you being mean

>>4503173
Is this intentional? It has everyting to make this board mad: polished turd, signed(?), not resized

>know i should practice
>have absolutely no energy to do it

>>4503213
>>4503185
>rendering
>polished
what, this scribbling? this crosshatching?
pic related

>>4503224
Does it make you more likely to do it now that you've admitted your procrastination here?

>>4503199
why do you think

>>4503169
It says waterfall on the filename

>>4503251
Oh yeah duh. I haven't really done much of the water part yet but now that I look at it the ripples around the edges don't really show any movement.

>>4503156
Face is too small and pulling forward away from the ear. That's why the bottom of the chin is too long. Fingers look flat.

I don't know what it is about legs that always fucks me up. Anyone I draw, it's always the legs that make the whole pose look awkward and out of place.

>>4503224

Just draw something for 5-10 minutes.

I usually find once I get over the initial lethargy and resistance to starting it gets easier. And even if you draw for that 5-10 minutes and decide you don't want to continue, it's 5-10 minutes more than you would have otherwise.

Reposting here because past thread died quickly. Admire it because it takes me an eternity to finish another one, perhaps I should go for something smaller

>>4503294
you've truly got soul, anon, and if you keep this kind of gusto you will make it to int and beyond. however there are a lot of obvious technical errors in it. loomis, overcrowding, detailing the bg too much, etc. your picture makes me happy though. really inspiring despite being beg.

>>4503294
if they're saluting the butterfly, that's based as fuck

>>4503224
>would've already transcended /beg/ if I dedicated all of my free to practicing instead of shitposting and vidya

>>4503224
>>4503289
This. Often when I'm not feeling it, I'll just start scribbling to just get into the feeling of putting marks on the page. I guess it is just warm-up for when your hand is ready, but your brain is not.

hit me

i have a question; what do people mean when they talking about loomis?

>>4503420
head + face mapping

Am l /beg/?

>>4503425
oh. like fuckups with the planes of the face basically?

>>4503420
andrew loomis wrote a series of educational books teaching you how to draw out a face/head where it looks natural. Just look up the loomis method, it's what most character artists base their work off of including eastern stuff.

>>4503430
ok, ty. i like this board but the lingo can get a little confusing at times.

>>4503420
They're talking about those meme books people revere like they're the artist's equivalent to the bible.
They are pretty good books though.

>>4502533
what is the best tutorial to follow for a complete noob that isn't a book?

>>4503458
proko

>>4503261
Looking forward for it

Why does my whiskey bottle and glass look absolutely massive here instead of looking to be very close to the camera ?
I was thinking that redrawing them closer to the lower side of the frame would correct this, am i right ? ( also i know that the proportions of my ashtray are fucked up, i'm going to remove it )

>>4503458
loomis (book)

>>4503458
Check out other artists on youtube, they'll offer some tutorials

>>4503516
which book first?

>>4503513
The man is so much bigger than the whiskey bottle, and not that much further away from the camera, that he should also be drawn much bigger than you currently have him.

>>4503526
Fun with pencils (not very fun)

>>4503415
I like his facial expression, though he looks contemptuous rather than contemplative. Obviously need to work on perspective so the space makes sense and to not completely abandon it like you did with the lamp in the back. The lower third of head seems to long and his ear seems to close to his face.

>>4503458
vilippu on youtube

>>4503426
yea, youre not bad tho your a high beg but the face and head are fucked.

>>4503426
You are very /beg/ because you copied this from reference and it doesn't even look good.

How the fuck do you rotate features along with the face? I've no idea what I'm doing, and Loomis doesn't even cover this in """Fun"""" With a Pencil.

How do I learn and home a style similar to pic related? I'm awful at drawing lines, so I thought I want to get into the medium by learning a coarse stroke style. I do not have any actual art supplies like oil/acrylic paint and don't intent to get them, I have a laptop and a small cheap Wacom tablet. I already experimented a bit in Krita.

>>4502693
Doing hair without a face or head is one of the most /beg/ things I've seen on these threads. Conglaturation.

>>4503591
what?

>>4502536
she looks british/irish to me.

>t. from the states

If I want to draw cartoon shit is Proko still good?

>>4503606
>nigger lips
>mutt schnoz
>Irish
>dark eyes
American education, or /pol/ brain worms

>>4503675
That is a weird looking horn on top of its head

>>4503197
Should I continue with this scene or is it shit? I'm struggling to render the head due to the position of the light

*memorises the names of muscles to dunk on other /begs/*

>>4502819
Bretty good

>>4503564
Landscapes? Bob Ross desu. His technique and perspective is a great watch. Though you can’t perfectly transfer the skill set.

>>4503197
The perspective of the body is off.
The camera is looking down somewhere above and in front of her, but her lower body doesn't reflect that.

I was told to come here.

How is my work?

>>4503783
head proportions are all fucked up inb4 >it's muh style
Hands aren't actually placed on the rifle and are instead floating in the air
body is in a weird stance

>>4503783
Do NOT ever show this to /k/. They'll have a stroke. All of them.

>>4503345
I get it but I still have to ask, do I really need Loomis? I thought my bodies didn't need improvement for the moment, a bit pretentious I know. The face looked perfect to me, but perhaps you mean the poses are stiff.
I'm already working on a new drawing but knowing my flaws helps, thanks

>>4503783
That's a tiny rifle she's holding kek. You forgot to make it larger as it extends towards the viewer

>>4503805

It's that shit?

>>4503816

here is one of the earlier versions, i think the gun looks worse here

>>4503729
This was the original sketch

I think I got the terrain plane wrong so the water reflections make everything look bad desu but drawing the body from this angle is hard as fuck never done it before

>>4503828

obviously it's even worse

>>4503197
>>4503729
Mate if you are at the point you need to trace a person standing up in a neutral pose, i'd probably grind some more fundies before attempting a full rendered scene.

Anyway, tentacles don't have the same perspective as the body.

>>4503840
big brain forgot image

>>4503835
The nuzzle looks great, the issue is the rest of the gun is now not aligned. Something nice to do is look up 3d models of things you want to draw on sketchlab and kinda twist it yourself there to get an idea.

https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/lowpoly-m16-remade-cec6996a65224a2694661608b0d0a550

Good luck anon, ladies in uniform, holding guns and military stuff is my goals in life.

>>4503851

in an older version the gun is a bit more aligned, though smaller.

>>4503809
you're probably at the point where you think your art is really good. that's not completely a bad thing, i would interpret it as you've met your current goals, but you should probably study more so that your art doesn't look as amazing to you anymore.
you do need loomis because the hair/hairline placement on the head is so weird and off, the brows are really low on her face, especially for an anime girl chara, and the eyes are far apart but not in a stylistically pleasing way. your coloring (not rendering) is so nice though. literally cannot stop looking at it. remember me when you're pro please

how many gestures will i need to grind in order to understand gesture?

hello i am trying my best to brute force into /int/ by drawing my more landscape-y thumbnails from high school. right now im struggling with the lighting. does it look like all of the shadows are facing the right way? and does the sketch look ok overall? perspective? Help?

>>4503867
Enough until you can draw from imagination

the Year have passed

Is it worth buying those little poseable mannequins to use a model?

this thing make me feel like stock is clips like in videogames

>>4503783
Did you trade the rifle from a 3d model?

Tried more gesture drawings after yesterday. Feedback appreciated

I just started drawing 3 days ago. I'm not really sure how to improve aside from drawing every day. Here's my work so far: https://twitter.com/thedailyyuno

Any thoughts?

>>4503997
draw from life and learn basic perspective, anatomy, construction. i guess.

>>4503997
>here's my twitter teehee
You people are unsufferable

>>4504072
>unsufferable
learn english

>>4503997
I really really really like your work teehee

>>4503997
It doesn't take a magic wand to point out the glaring problems in your work. Connect your lines, if it doesn't look kawaii or however you originally intended, stick with it regardless. That's all I have to and can say to you.

when studing how long would be taking too long on a book? l ike i want to get it done in my life time

>>4504211
>how long would be taking too long?
if you mean in one session, until you're not absorbing information properly anymore.
if you mean in general, until you're not gaining anything fruitful out of studying it.
that's all there is to it, right?

Just brainstorming but I liked this one, might do more pages

Real beginner here, I've read through the guide and some of the books but I just can't find where to start so I tried practising gesture... This is my first attempt

Doing trad pencils feels so fucking limiting sometimes but I keep doing it for some reason. Any tips on doing cleaner pencil drawings?

>>4504278
No tips but this looks cool, nice

>>4504239
aw hi its u again. Blog? i wanna keep up with ur art, so soul

What do you think guys?

>>4504303
Pretty damn good grayscale and I like her

Shoutout the dude in the last thread. I tried not to shade like a retard, think it turned out ok. Thoughts?
I used a reference it's basically worthless but at least gave me some line/colouring practice

>>4502533
Is it worth reading 'fun with a pencil' if I already know 3d shapes and basic construction?

throw stones at my rocks

That took a while, although the gun looks to me like a rocket launcher or something alike.

>>4504330
Loomis

>>4504303
loomis

>>4502861
Looks like adult Jodie Holmes.

>>4502533
Two things

Are there any videos like this that demonstrate fundamentals that are in English?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkX-CaRWl7o
It's helpful for me to see someone do something I'm trying to learn but I don't understand Chinese and have to look between the drawing and subtitles.

Also, is there anything I can do outside of drawing to improve my motor skills? I have tubule drawing strait lines and smooth curves.

>>4504370
The receiver on that rifle is way to small.

halp

>>4503675
Post your ref

It's not to show how it must be. I saw guns only in videogames and cant draw hands. But attempt to tackle subject because girls with guns are cool.

I was trying to hold imaginary gun to get gist of it, do not know how convincing result is

In real life I imagine most reliable way to do something like that and how it mostly done is to just find some photo.

>>4503835
>

>>4504370
The forehead is too big

>>4504394
try the drawabox exercises. they're pretty simple exercises to help you with your motor skills, hand-eye coordination and helps imorove the range of motion of your arm

>>4504418
why she have scratched cheeks :/

>>4504255
Not horrible for a real beginner.
Just put extra effort in comparing your lines with the ref. The things to pay attention to are the angle, length, and the position relative to other lines.
If you look at your legs you would see that they are very sloped whereas in the ref the legs are perpendicular to the floor.
Your best bet currently is to simply forgetting about the details and just looking at the big shapes. When looking at a ref squint your eyes and observe the shapes, their sizes and position. Also pay attention to negative space; in the example of your ref you can see a clear white triangle between the man's arm, leg, and torso. Paying attention to this triangle will make deciding the positions and angles of the legs arm and torso much easier.

See, mine have spare ammo, vest and superior weapon. But Black have rage and brainpower

character from a chink cartoon

btw this is where lighting idea from.

Finished a portrait of myself using Sai. Trying to get my hands on some color theory and values.

>>4503548
Could you elaborate further?

>>4504418
no high lights?

>>4504025
Hands getting better.

>>4504255
>I've read through the guide and some of the books
I dunno what books you've read, but If you haven't read "keys to drawing" yet then read that.
That isn't gesture and you should only really start gesture once you have a handle on basic drawing.
Basic drawing would be something like having good judgement for angles and distances, being able to draw proper curved lines, starting to be able to see things in shape and Form.
Which is why you should read keys to drawing because it deals with that sort of stuff.
Also draw a lot in general without being to concerned about following any sort of technique, it should just be trying to recreate an image accurately without being anal about it.
Think about it like basic training for your senses.

>>4504418
Looks pretty good, doubt you're gonna get any legitimate feedback here unless someone who really knows what they're doing get's lost and stumbles into this thread

Studying placement of the facial features

>>4504666
Satan, you were supposed to follow the instructions below instead of trying to copy the finished example.
Those lines will help you know that the mouth and nose are actually close.
And the empty space between the eyes is supposed to be just a biiit longer than 1 eye

Made this self portrait in the dark without looking at myself.
Did it by touching and feeling ny face/head and drawing the perceived forms.

It was a fun experiment and the result was interesting (from an absolute beg perspective)

I tried to fix the parts people pointed out in the last thread.
What do you think?

>>4504577
yore ugleh

am I feelling the form yet, vilppu?

>>4504712
The head is way too small. Also, digital just looks like shit.

>>4504723
:(

>>4504394

This is the model I use.

How big should the receiver be?

soul -- no soul

>>4504239
This angle was hard to draw and it probably still isn't correct but screw it, it's an artistic license for action!
>>4504298
I dun have a blog, perhaps I should make an instagram to post drawings from now on. I'm keeping these 2 characters so the drawings won't be out of place even in the far future

>>4504734
No. You have no understanding of crosscontouring

soul no soul mk2
Better "progression"

>>4504317
probably not, skim through it maybe

>>4504819
I like the 2020 one, but it's funny that this could be a real thing with all these new remakes and simplistic styles

>>4504418
Try defining the light and shadow areas more strongly, this looks very messy and like you waited for a bunch of happy accidents to occur instead of thinking.

>>4504773
>way too small
I just measured her figure and it is exactly 8 heads tall.
Maybe you're thinking in anime/loli porportions?

>>4504802
how about now

>>4504394

I raised the receiver's height, is it still too small?

>>4504857

With a smaller head.

>>4504857
>>4504870
Ah I see, with small steps you're going in the right direction.
However, a 2.7385 second google search on 'human proportions' would help you immediately on that matter.

You made her head.. like.. 5 times too big (speaking in volume) but that is just a small mistake everyone makes once in a while.

>>4504577
How's this /beg/? It looks really stylish

Warmups.

>>4504870
It's time to move on to your next drawing.

>>4504874
Head too small.

Why you not just look how it looks like in realty instead of trying to brute force it. If you do not understand how reality works it is correct way

>>4504883
lol

i'm stuck in the country side with no materials other than my old high school pens... dunno what to do to get gud anymore

>>4504888
Download all the artbooks, video courses, and reference material. Then throw away your simcard and start drawing

>>4504881
heads are too large

>>4504889
>hoarding is the answer
ngmi
>>4504888
Just keep drawing and buy new materials when you can

>>4504239
>>4504800
>Out of place funny faces
Now I'm a real mangaka
>>4504881
HOLY RA Now I feel like I'm wasting my time kek Those look really good

>>4504892
Never implied hoarding, but should’ve worded that better. I don’t think “just draw” is good enough of an answer, if he wants to improve he gotta grind the fundies and those artbooks and video courses either has or not the answer he wants.

>>4504895
I'm not sure what you're doing will help, but I do enjoy the soul. Very made in abyss.

Serious question, how do I study something? Whenever it is anatomy, perspective, etc., it seems I can’t progress past a certain point of skill. It feels like there is some fundamental lack of knowledge, but I can't figure out what it is. What is, step by step, the process of studying something?

>>4504874

I believe I screwed the left hand,

What does it mean to learn/study forms? All the information I've found on the topic has been incredibly brief. "These are the three forms. If you squint a little, you can sort of divide objects into them. You should do that. Now on to the next topic."

I'm struggling a lot with simplification in general. Real-world objects are infinitely complex, and I don't really understand what process I'm supposed to be using to break them down into lines or forms or whatever I'm supposed to be drawing.

>>4504906
You study things differently according to your skill level and foundational base. So any advice you get while not posting your work will go to waste.

Bascially pyw maybe i can help you.

>>4504922
People who post their work just get told to grind fundies.
This place is a mess

I don't get how rib cages work.

>>4504925
look at the stuff posted here and tell me they shouldn't

>>4504889
can you be more specific than that? my internet speed is unreliable and very poor so i can't download 300gb of data even if i wanted to.
>>4504892
>just draw
bruh

>>4504927
Literally everyone should grind fundies, even if they're great already. It's a cop out of an answer that would still apply if people didn't post their work. It's not helpful at all and most of the people recommending "fundies lol" probably don't even have a clear concept of what fundies are and what approach is best suited for themselves, let alone anyone else.
Tldr; crabs in a bucket.

>>4504926
Literally an upwards U under the chest, and the abs kinda fill there.
Just look at shirtless DBZ characters for reference. Mind you, many artists draw it differently, and I think it depends on how muscular the character is, but that is how they work.

>>4504922
Well, it is basically what my skill level at right now. To be able to draw this I was studying these past 3 years. I'm trying to apply what I have learnt so far to my drawings, but this is my limit. There is so much to learn and this took too much time to be able to draw this good.

>>4504935
Just grind fundies

>>4504935
Looks like my first drawings.

>>4504928
FEEL the plane

>>4504939
what are fundies ?

>>4504931
Wrong.
People here post shit so bad, one immediately can tell that they neither ever studied fundies nor have they read the sticky.
You study basic proportions, perspective and anatomy first, then you draw something based on that and THEN you come here to ask for critique. But instead of doing that people just want to immediately draw anime waifus without putting any work into it, so they post their attemts here and want basic fundamental knowledge to be spoonfed to them.
Look at this >>4504911 fucker right here. He has been told what to do and yet he keeps repeating the same mistakes.
Or here >>4504935 Tell me that this guy has ever opened up a loomis/bridgman/hampton book. He didn't even bothered finishing the hands, he posted unfinished shit. It is simply not possible to give adequate critique to someone who doesn't finish his stuff and much to their detriment so, since a finished piece reveals much more VALUABLE information on what could be improved upon.
Also I could spoonfeed him an info which would immediately improve their shading and spare them 100 hours of grinding, but I won't. I WANT them to grind those 100 hours.

The people here fail at such simple things as opening google images and searching up basic proportions (which take 20 minutes to memorize).
What else could you tell them if not 'go grind some fundies'?

>>4504956
Ask this guy
>>4504927

>>4504952
Man, you didn't improve one bit

>>4504959
pyw lol

>>4504959
Then you look at these guys >>4504888>>4504712
and they're told to "just draw" and that "digital is shit" lmao.
Rationalize your useless advice in any way you want, it's still a meme deflection coming from a place of ignorance.
If you had something valuable to say you wouldn't act as if "grinding fundies" meant anything to anyone.

>>4504929
You only need like 20gb worth of resource material if you mainly go with video courses YOU absolutely needed and the rest could be used for references and artbooks? Being specific? Depends on what art you’re creating how much fundamentals knowledge it requires.

>>4504968
Imagination gains are really small.

>>4504959
pyw

>>4504975
But at the end of the day you should always practice ALL of the fundamentals so im sorry. You could balance out which fundie needs more grinding/studying to be more efficient.

>>4504978
maybe if you stopped drawing from imagination and started doing studies on figures and poses you could get tons of mileage and gains.

>>4504972
You really don't want to study fundamentals, do you?
>>4504969
Here. Now you post yours.
>inb4 anything else but your work

>>4504978
>>4504968
On his defense I'd say his first drawings were of a high level. If his imagination is now like that, then he's good

>>4504959
Yeah, it is shit, and I know that better than anyone. I was studying hands for about a month (and another month, year before) and then, finally at the end of the month I was able to produce somewhat “good” hands. But every time I try to implement them, they look like shit. You miss my point entirely. How do I study effectively? Because even this shit off the drawing took me so long to do. It took me years to be able to draw this handless abomination. I get it FUNDIES, but how do I study them EFFECTIVLY, what the process behind studying something?

>>4504985
further leg seems like separate thing. maybe there reason for such value difference but this is impression it make.

What ever happened to that one anon that kept drawing worst girl from neon genesis

started following "right side of the brain" over the last couple of days, have a pic of a hand that I can't be fucked to scan

the book's pretty good

>>4505029
how can you handle all that text im a low attention span idiot

>>4505036
I have to be in the mood for it, so I don't force it
if I feel like it then I try to put some calm music on and focus on it. I'm used to multitasking everything so focusing solely on it is hard, but it's been worth it so far as someone who couldn't draw shit beforehand

>>4504931
This.
"Grind fundies" has no meaning. It's just a fancier way of saying "draw better". Well duh, everyone knows they should draw better, but it's impossible to draw well without first drawing bad for a long time. No one has ever come to /ic/, learned that they should "grind fundies", and then they grind fundies and come back and post work that is free of /beg/ errors. It just doesn't happen, it's a myth. You have to bump into the problems for yourself while you're working on real drawings in order to learn how to overcome the problems. A good teacher would give someone targeted advice on how to overcome the specific problems they're experiencing, but as we all know, the "hurr durr go grind fundies" crowd are incompetent themselves and they are incapable of giving that sort of targeted advice.

>>4504985
Lmao the detail of the broom to look like penis veins. Blog?

>>4504975
I posted my work, i just wanna draw anime well.
Girl's referebces and the dude is from imagination

>>4505052 forgot to link the post, sorry
>>4504888

Why do my figures look retarded AaaaAaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAA.

>>4505066
art is a reflection of ones soul

>>4505052
I take the “I want to draw anime well” as I want to able to draw characters right?
well there tons of thing that you require I suppose the skill and style you want is those good pixvi artist. The fundies you need is anatomy (read the books and understand how the muscle pull and stretch and draw as well) the second is understanding gesture or flow, how the character action is easily read and be dynamic, I think looking references of poses and trying to draw them will help at the same time fill the force and tension of the action, theres tons that goes here like contraposta, making the pose feasible and dynamic. The second will clothing. Just pick up Hogarths book about clothing, it tells you exactly how to draw folds, wrinkles, drapery, and creases. I suppose color and value can come next as well. Gurneys book about color and light will suit your purposes and do grayscale studies to get your sensitivity to values level up. I could put shit like perspective and construction here but just read “Perspective made easy” and Framed Perspective as well. For line art? I guess copying artist you like is a good start but I know for sure copying as a whole is GREAT THING just make sure you don’t end up copying mistakes without knowing that they’re.
I could go on like understand hair and how it flows from the scalp but this comment will be too long by now.
I will tell you now, it will take months to see improvements but if you manage to draw/study 3-6 hours per day you can reach your goal in years if you’re consistent with drawing every day. Like give yourself goals every week or every month like draw 10 hands every day and finish a piece once a month and copy 5 drawings you like every week.
Hope this helps.

So I've been stuck on how to animate this guy for... quite a while. Anybody got some good references or something? I need like... attack, taking damage, dying, walking and idle. Might be cuz I'm bloody blind but I can't find any good references.

>>4505072
>Hope this helps.
thanks bruv this is actually a great post. based.
downloading the stuff rn.

>>4504712
i like your clouds. i think the girl looks a bit flat because there are no highlights on her skin, it's only shadows/midtones

>>4505071
makes sense

Now she looks like a man imo.

>>4505079
This is my routine for every/day/week/month
Theres some other stuff not listed like comparing my new and old work every 4 months.

>>4505095
Damn...
Do you think being 23 and being at my level is too late to even bother?
I'm doing comp-sci but desu i rather work at mcdonalds and get gud at art

>>4502533
Resources/tutorial for drawing fashion sketches? Like the figure in and of itself alongside anatomy, as well as achieving different layers and material effects with clothing?

>>4505105
If you can slip in a couple hours of drawing every day then you don’t need to give up. You’re not too old to draw its better to start now than to regret it later in life when you’re like in your thirties.
I don’t want to really admit my age but I just recently turned 18 and was browsing ic since I was 17 and started getting interested to drawing when I was 15, imagine 3 years of life if I had this routine.. I would been good by now but no I rejected the fundies and literally “just draw” without any order or destination. Don’t be like me when I started out I know every anon out there can make it with enough discipline. And im failing at discipline right now because Im on /ic/. But hey at least i drew 10 poses and 5 hands today.

>>4505105
Literally like half of /ic/ posters started drawing at age 30 and are programmers/software engs

>>4505134
it shows

>>4503783
> mini m4
cute

>>4505092

Also, how is that compared to the earlier versions?

>Finally brought a monitor so I can draw while looking at references
>Found out my laptop isn't displaying colors properly
>Blamed my coloring skills for years without knowing it wasn't my fault

well fuck... Anyone know how to calibrate the colors properly?

When I draw I just don't feel like I make any progress because I have no formally developed skills for anatomy, perspective, and even any attempt I make at construction is just haphazard guesswork. I can't standardize the construction process for myself despite desperately trying to copy how other artists construct. My drawing process is so scuffed, I basically just abuse the undo button and the transform tool until things look right and spend 6+ hours drawing a single character in a single pose (just sketching/drawing, no color. even using a reference). I have a bunch of artbook pdfs and video lectures for drawing from life classes downloaded, and even though this is going to sound like cope, I honestly feel like each of them is nothing but the "draw the owl" meme, and I just end up getting mogged by Hampton, Vilppu, Proko, et al. I feel like these art resources aren't actually for beginners but are instead for intermediates. Thanks for reading my blog

>>4505029
Pretty decent

>>4505194
Get an accurate monitor plus a calibrator. It's like 100-200usd. Forgot the name of it desu

>>4505197
Just grind fundies.

No but unironically pick up figure drawing for all it's worth by loomis

>>4505089
Better nose. You still don't understand where the eyebrows should be placed. Ear is too small.

>>4505204
So many people swear by so many different artbooks. Drawing with the right side of the brain, Perspective made easy, various Loomis and Bridgman and Hampton books. I can't lie I have never gotten very far into any of these, decision paralysis is one reason and the other is I'm probably too ADHD to sit down and read and reread dry academic texts while practicing along. The annoying part is there are so many normie artists who I think make cute, appealing art and I'm sure a good number of them didn't grind through Figure drawing artbooks. Most of them probably, simply spent thousands of hours drawing for fun and trained their brain like a neural network AI. Which is basically what i have to do too I guess

>>4505237

Fuck you I wanted to do that

>>4505197
No advice for you, just wanted to tell you that I'm exactly the same.
The same old mistakes, the same old "you should read Loomis", the same old staring at those same few perspective diagrams from his figure drawing book before I decide once again that, no, this isn't helping.
The ride never ends.

>>4505209
thanks for the feedback! I'm finding the head a little tricky but I'll get there!

OAAAHH AM I FEELING THE FORM YET VILPPU

How can I make sure that my practice is efficient and that I don't stagnate unnecessarily?

>>4505311
Compare your studies/gestures to the actual reference, redline your own stuff.

Practice is efficient when it's critiqued (either by self or a teacher).

aaaaaa im still a brainlet, what do i need to do help cure my brainletism

>>4505248
I suspect there is a period of time of around several hundred hours where someone needs to draws idly and for fun before they can really learn in a structured, organized way. Imagine taking an advanced Literature study class when you know 200 words in English. Even if it means picking up bad habits (like learning english in a scuffed way and you mispronounce some words, it's better than nothing at all), I still suspect that it is necessary to do this because you build some very very low level neurological associations-- coordination between your hand, your tablet/paper/canvas, and your brain.

It seems increasingly apparent to me that before grinding fundies, it is absolutely necessary that one must have approximately 500 hours of just drawing random things they fancy. Even if it means they pick up "bad habits" . This is probably a gross misrepresentation but I simply believe the first step of art is learning how to learn, and that involves building a pathway from the spatial reasoning parts of your brain to your fine motor control. As humans we can visualize, conceptualize, but art is the act of applying those spatial reasoning abilities in a fine tuned, specific way.

A lot of artists online spent hundreds/thousands of hours in their teenage years drawing and they already established that neurological-coordination-foundation previously mentioned, so it's easier for them to learn from artbooks and other resources. And so when they see a beginner ask for help, they refer them to the same resources they used, which they were able to utilize because of their foundation. But to stretch the analogy, its like handing someone who speaks 200 words in English a complex Grammar book. You can only develop ""beginner level"" skills like perspective once this foundation exists, like learning to stand before learning to walk.

>>4504317
do you really know it anon?

>>4504330
draw a box

>do fundies!
>don't do fundies yet
>DO FUNDIES!
>NO, DON'T DO FUNDIES YET!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>4504370
looks like she is looking at 12 but pointing the gun at 10

>>4505347
this. ive been drawing for 3 years for fun and now im trying to learn for real but im not even doing a good job at it

>>4505363
Just do your fundies, there's no such thing as learning them too soon. Still draw for fun, of course, that's the whole point, but make sure to study Loomis or something on the side, at the very least.

>>4505370
That's because breaking bad habits is uncomfortable.

Why are they called FUNdies when they arent even fun?

trying again. Please Help
does the lighting, perspective and composition look ok that is the main thing. i've been drawing for a long time and im trying to get to /int/ finally

>>4505383
How does one "do fundies".
Tell me. What exercises, how many of each, how are the exercises to be done.

>>4505400
Bruh. This looks /beg/. Like, really /beg/.

>>4505194
IPS panel monitors display colors more accurately but have ghosting issues and slight delay
TN panel monitors have less delay and no ghosting issues but don't display colors that accurately

I think color calibration is a meme but Im no expert. I bought a laptop with that function and it worked like dog shit. What I ended up doing for a TN monitor I had was google your monitor model and look for config files that can be applied in windows that will tweak color settings.

>>4505018
not him but, did you tried draw a box? It may have the structure that you are looking for.

>>4505417
well that sucks doesn't it. feedback? like literally any?
at all?

>>4505363
I never said don't do fundies in my post >>4505347 . I said draw anything you fancy. Which can include fundies. But I speculated that a Real Art Beginner™ will have a slower rate for learning perspective and fundamentals than someone with 500+ hours from drawing, even if that experience is years old. Because the guy who spent all of high school doodling in his chemistry notebook already has those important neurological associations from spatial reasoning to fine motor control. Does that make sense?

The important part is to draw. Draw whatever. But if you try to grind fundies as a True Beginner™ you will likely become discouraged when you aren't absorbing the lessons from the fundies because your brain is still trying to learn before it can learn. At least that is what I am suspecting, having analyzed my own awkward, fumbling attempts to grind fundies. Which is why I suggested True Beginners™ should draw what they /want/ because you're more likely to stay motivated if you incrementally draw cute anime girls better than incrementally drawing boxes better, in my humble opinion

>>4505074
something like this https://www.spriters-resource.com/

I set to making a "landscape" shot of a perfectly straight, incredibly long canyon river, but I since then realized that I have no idea how to draw a canyon, especially since it would be mostly black, with light shining only from the narrow slit above. Does anyone have any pointers to trick for drawing something like this?
I generally have issues conveying the 3-dimensional shapes of landscapes onto 2D space. I know about perspective and vanishing points.

>>4505436
grind fundies

>>4505399
not him, but the sticky in the op has a fundamentals sections

>>4505400
just continue doing what you was doing until there is something.
perspective - floor in a room tilts up
composition - crop it to only door frame because it is only place where something interesting going on. or do not do it.
And remove these thick black outlines

>>4505460
by the way it's beg level feedback so do not take it as coming from authority but from audience

>>4505460
thank u so much anyway. i plan to remove the outlines its just a rough colored sketch. and what do you mean the floor tilts up? was i not doing that or is that a bad thing or something?

>>4505400
I like the concept but I can tell what are you going for, is this just a thumbnail? If so you could flash it out a little more so it is easier to give you critique.

>>4505474
yeah its just a thumbnail, i'll repost when i refine it some more, thanks!

>>4505441
That actually helps. Thanks.

>>4505436
Finish it and then post it again.

How can I improve my lineweight?

>>4503173
Reminds me of one of Proko's dog from his comics

Holy fuck anons it looks a humanoid, where do I go from here ?

>>4505592
check proportions once more and then add muscles.
Oh and before that, draw the horizon line somewhere behind him.

>>4505592
Draw another one. Repeat that process a thousand times.

new thread

>>4505631
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>>4505635
That's the plan

>>4503537
Thanks, mate!

I should have zoomed in on the face, as it was my area of study, and contemptuous was the aime so I am quite happy.
The ears are a mess, you are right, the lower part of the face is supposed to induce disgust, so ..

>>4504666
is that suppose to be the ice age baby?

>>4503529
I re-did it from scratch but it still feels like the bottle is giant even tho i used a picture as a reference.

Could it look better if i added some sort of pattern with perspective on the table ?

Also what do you think about what i've done ? Can i continue adding detail or does something look out of place here ?

>>4503560
i've got you covered my man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBv5z0Y2odE

>>4505134
we really are all on the same boat, heh

>>4505209
DuDe that's just his sTyle!

but serious Nice critique man, I'll use this in my "work"too

>>4505095
How did you come up with this routine if I may ask?

I'm a beginner but I feel like if I had a routine similar to this I would be more encouraged to draw, any tips?

>>4504255
I need to dedicate myself to doing more than one drawing per day... any advice?

>>4505544
use a pressure sensitive stylus

>>4507804 I do but
On opacity? flow or size?

>>4507965
Flow