/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4478945
I have the original of that image saved here, just wanted to point that out, bye

Did something from imagination and of course it looks like trash. How do I even start learning anatomy?

>>4478952
watch Mikeymegamega's tutorials on youtube, you just need to learn construction. Head + hair is good, body is real sucky

im so fucking horny holyshit

>>4478947
>>4478945
are you the same OP that does these threads?

>>4478952
get through Robertson before focusing on anatomy.

These threads are worth posting my work to or should I stick with alt?

>>4478952
>How do I even start learning anatomy
look for basic proportions and landmarks,
find a figure drawing course to learn gesture and see how the instructor builds the figure from ellipses, boxes, etc ...
after that you start to go deeper into anatomy
recommend as literature anatomy for sculptors and hampton
for video courses Scott Eaton and Proko's youtube channel
sycra if you really don't know anything, but some of the informations he gives are incorrect, so know the risks

Would you have me post in this thread?

What brush can I use that would mimic the look of these lines?
I use CSP and usually use a circle brush but it is not cutting it for the look I want

>>4478985
Only if you are talented.

>>4478972
Hard round brush.

>>4479015
based

>>4478989
just use g pen

>>4478952
I'm going through Vilppu's renaissance figure drawing right now and I'm really improving, that and figure drawing everyday. I recommend it.

Go through Vilppu while also drawing anime from observation on the side using the process:

>construction drawing
>observation drawing
>memory drawing
>self critique*

You'll see that memory drawing is very similar to drawing from "imagination", you're forcing your brain to fill in the gaps of what's on your head.

>>4479036
Allright! I will give it a shot thanks

Question for /asg/. First time posting on these threads.
Are Pin2D's videos worth looking into if you're absolute /beg/ tier? How good are they?

>>4479040
Do you have a link to this course?

>>4479076
Completely worth it, start with the anatomy course, do all of the assignments, don't focus on finishing the videos, instead focusing on practicing, doing and redoing the assignments until it's at least similar to the results on the video.

>>4479112
Is his anatomy course the "Figure tutorial" playlist in the pastebin? If so I will.
I really want to get into this stuff.

>>4479078
You can find the mega on the last thread, it's also on cgp.

I also recommend watching it on 2x speed with VCL (press + to increase speed and - to decrease). See his process up to a point, then pause the video and try doing what he did, when you're satisfied continue the video. Do this on every one of his demonstrations.

>>4478975
Op here with very late reply
No, this was actually the first thread I started myself and the first reply with the porn version of the pic was a different anon

Any pointers for not fucking up the hips?

The G pen was not good for replicating this lineart

But now the question is, how do you do precise super rounded shading like this?
When I try to do rounded segments of color it never turns out quite as fine, it always ends up having a good amount of rough spots when I try to do it.

>>4479892
The problem actually is not with the hips, but instead with you trying to make a pose work that is not anatomically correct in general.
The biggest problem is the leg that is turned towards the camera, I get that you were trying to add a sense of motion but it does not work with the picture or with the general structure of the girl you are drawing. There is no way a leg could turn like that or attach to the body like that which is why you couldn't find a way to make the hips work!
Also with the breasts I could not tell what was going on but I think you had them in profile view so only one was visible which also conflicts with the general pose.
Great energy in your pic btw! Now you just have to maintain that energy while keeping the anatomy reasonable as well.

>>4479951
Honestly I think if he just turned the near foot closer to the viewer it woud be acceptable.
I like his pose better than your redline anyway, not that yours is bad or anything.

>>4479901
lasso tool

>>4479901
>But now the question is, how do you do precise super rounded shading like this?
Same way you get clean digital linework without bitching out and using the stabilizer. Fast and smooth arm motions, and lots of practice. Draw the outline of the area like you're inking linework and then color it in, there's no magic to it.
>>4479979
ngmi

>>4479974
Yeah I don't think my redline is perfect either, not many artists on /ic/ have the skills to make a perfect critique
I just was giving an example of how to improve the anatomy because he was asking why the hips don't work
The flaws of the pose are hidden well by the armor but without the armor this is what the pose actually looks like underneath

>>4479984
I'm sorry if you took it like I was trying to criticize you, I didn't mean it like that, I think everything you've said is correct. I just think it's important to keep in mind that making the anatomy more realistic doesn't always make a drawing look better. If a drawing looks better with unrealistic anatomy then you should go with the unrealistic anatomy. It's a judgment call in each particular situation.

>>4479983
>Same way you get clean digital linework without bitching out and using the stabilizer
That's what I thought but I wasn't sure if there was a better/more efficient way. Just gotta practice now
Thanks for the help anon!

>>4479990
>I just think it's important to keep in mind that making the anatomy more realistic doesn't always make a drawing look better. If a drawing looks better with unrealistic anatomy then you should go with the unrealistic anatomy.
Yeah I think so too, he was just asking in particular about why the hips didn't work and I am not very good at exaggerating
That's why I tried to tell him he has good energy and to make the anatomy reasonable, but that doesn't necessarily mean it has to be perfect!
The point of anime is to bend and exaggerate things the way you want them for an appealing result.
I think if he found a midway between his pic and my anatomy adjustment pic he would have a really good thing going

>>4479901
There are some subtleties of digital painting that I still don't understand. Like, why does her hair look slightly "grainy" here? If you open this file up in Photoshop and use the color picker on her hair it won't just be the same color on every pixel, there's lots of variation. Was this done intentionally by the artist or is this just an artifact of resizing/compression or what? I think this effect can be desirable but if I were going to color in that hair then I would normally just use one base color and every pixel would have the exact same value (until I put in shadows and highlights of course).

>>4479951
>>4479974
>>4479984
>>4479990
>>4479997
Thanks for the feedback and the good word.
I was more or less going for what second redline shows, I was going for the moment before swing where she braces herself.
I guess I must also brush up on perspective since I still struggle with stuff closer to the viewer.

>>4478952
Get an anatomy book and do a blend of 1-5 min quickposes and imagination dummies with muscles added on

>>4479984
I think the problem here is mechanically, why would you ever adopt this pose? I'm a martial artist so when I think about action poses, there's a certain practicality that needs to be mantained.

The only way something like this would work with a sword would be if its the end of the swing and even then I think legs shouldn't be in the same line for the sake of balance. Just try taking this pose yourself and see what I mean.

Talking with the original artist, not the redliner.

>>4480150
Well, I drew this thinking the pose seemed dynamic and having rule of cool in mind.
I didn't draw a lot of action poses before so I'm just begiining to getting a hang of it.

Can't wait to be able to start drawing anime.

>>4480217
How do you decide if you're good enough to be allowed to draw anime?

>>4480221
When I'm able to draw gesture like vilppu or proko do

>>4479990
>If a drawing looks better with unrealistic anatomy then you should go with the unrealistic anatomy. It's a judgment call in each particular situation.


>just break her leg from the knee haha it's better this way

jesus are we /alt/ now

>>4480248
your mindset is the reason you suck at art and this place is a shithole, ngmi ever ever ever

>>4480252
keep seething /alt/cuck

>>4480254
>haha u mad that im not creative bro? loool

wow got me. post your work.

>>4480252
>D-dont make fun of my begtier anatomy i bet y-your drawings suck!

are you a kid

>>4480269
good job pretending i said things that i didnt. really epic ownage like a boss

These threads are worth posting to?

>>4480274
>/asg/ Anim-

no

>>4480272
>i-i said nothing , just threw a shitfit because you dare to call out muh style

if you don't aprove that stupidity why do you get buthurt, oh yeah it hit close isn't.

>>4480167
Try taking the poses when drawing, vilppu always gives this tip.

Also, if you're animating, then it's okay to have some unpractical poses in one or two frames, but not for illustrations I guess.

There's an excellent book on actions poses if you want to study them: https://e-hentai.org/g/1498102/7eb2576171/

Damn it that anon who made that thread bait earlier I figured out his identity but mods deleted it. I was about to expose him.

>>4480248
/alt/ is way better than that. That fucker is from /beg/.

>>4480335
duh, it's the meme about justifying muh style>>>>>anything

>>4478952
Start drawing from life while experimenting with stylizing. The more knowledge you have on form, proportion, anatomy, and the real world model the better you will get at drawing from imagination.

any good pixiv stream recommendations?

>>4480325
Nice, thank you.

>>4480248
If realistic anatomy is always required for a drawing to look good, then why can humongous anime eyes look good?

>>4480487

>STYLIZED drawings based on realistic anatomy=/=stylizided begtier drawing based on made up anatomy
thanks for letting us know you are a droddling retard

>>4480574
Ok, so your two complaints with that guy's drawing are that it's "begtier" and that it's based on "made up anatomy".
Calling it "begtier" doesn't help you make your case, as we're talking about the concept of stylizing anatomy in general. The argument doesn't revolve around the quality of that specific drawing. Even if you don't like that guy's exaggerated pose, it doesn't mean that someone else couldn't successfully pull off a similarly exaggerated pose.
As for being based on "made up anatomy". Why are big anime eyes based on real anatomy, but bending a leg in a way it normally can't is made up anatomy? What's the difference? Are you saying that in stylization, you're only allowed to scale body parts in unrealistic ways but you're not allowed to rotate them in unrealistic ways? Doesn't that seem arbitrary?

>>4480613
saying'' it doesn't matter if your anatomy not the realistic stylization is okay even if it's wrong all for the sake of muh style'' is what i mocking

anons drawing is beg tier alone, his stylization since can be good/bad subjectively i'ts not of my concern however they are based on a real anatomy, so defending the fact that having a broken leg in the literal sense it's okay because muh style it's laughable.

now stilized eyes still have the pupil inside the iris even if they are retarded big, they don't go far below the nose nor does the iris is drawn close to the ear sides in the eye it would look retarded but still plausible because they are still bound to real anatomy, not the realistic style since stylization is derived from a correct anatomy, a correct anatomy doesn't have the leg pointing almost at the front but the knee twisted 10 or 15 degrees wtisted inwards yet the calves in front view for and the feet turning 45 degrees inwards. can you understand the difference between stilization and correct anatomy.

if you believe that a leg can rotate its lower part up and down while this part is twisted inwards 45º but it's okay because is ''my style'' then you are retarded.

I use hard round for everthing. Am I a cuck?

>>4480223
You dont need fundamentals to draw anime bro.

>>4481362
Based

>>4481362
if you're not training with a one pixel brush like the japanese do from an early age you will never reach their levels.

>>4479892
i think there might be 2 issues here but don't take this post too seriously as advice.. first of all the armor is making the hips read as though they are far more exaggerated than they might have meant to be if >>4479951 is the correct way its meant to be read. second, if it isn't the orientation is exaggerated but the head doesn't follow this exaggeration through. left image attached s what it looks to me like you are doing and right looks to me what you are doing and middle looks like a more 'natural' pose given the exaggerated torso configuration.

>>4480248
the legs are broken but it really depends on what they want to achieve. what you might want is to fully break the other leg too

over all there's a reason why you need to learn te rules to break them because stylization is redesigning the rest of the figure such that the pose is in a warped reality in which it 'makes sense'.

>>4479892
turn on sensitivity, all lines are the same size and makes the piece look boring.

>>4481507
what's that pic trying to show us?

>>4479892
actually it looks like he just needs to fix the foot

>>4480248
>jesus are we /alt/ now
Whats wrong with /alt/?

>>4481617
read what i said. first pic is how im reading the pose. second pick i rotate the figure's head a bit to match the flow of the pelvis to the ribcage. last image i rotate the character's left angle 45 degrees to the left to make the character's front facing ankle's rotation look 'normal' and further follow the gesture

>>4481705
also another think, i was only writing all of this because i didn't properly read what was going on with the pose initially which i mentioned earlier and i sorta just started exploring how to push the anatomy in a way that feels right lol

>>4481686
loomis
also not anime

>>4481725
There is absolutely nothing wrong with Loomis.

whats anatomy lol

>>4481730
you misunderstand, I'm saying the drawing needs loomis, and it also does not look anime

>>4481739
Anatomy (Greek anatomē, "dissection") is the branch of biology concerned with the study of the structure of organisms and their parts.[1] Anatomy is a branch of natural science which deals with the structural organization of living things. It is an old science, having its beginnings in prehistoric times.[2] Anatomy is inherently tied to developmental biology, embryology, comparative anatomy, evolutionary biology, and phylogeny,[3] as these are the processes by which anatomy is generated over immediate (embryology) and long (evolution) timescales. Anatomy and physiology, which study (respectively) the structure and function of organisms and their parts, make a natural pair of related disciplines, and they are often studied together. Human anatomy is one of the essential basic sciences that are applied in medicine.[4]

>>4481742
>I'm saying the drawing needs loomis
Carry on.

>>4481743
Are you proud of this post
You could be drawing right now

>>4481725
People that spew loomis are just being dismissive. If you have no actual critique just stay quiet, crab.

>>4481750
no

>>4481725
>also not anime
wdym homie

>>4481750

>>4480248
if this was /alt/ the art would actually be good

>>4481822
>/alt/
>good art
pick one

>>4481832
at least they have art

>>4481833
Then maybe you faggots ought to start actually drawing instead of copying all the fucking time. You are never going to learn shit if you keep copying thinking it will amount to anything. Get over your fears of fucking up and get used to the fact that you're not going to be happy with your work for a very long time.

>>4481842
neck yaself mikufag

>>4481765
But what if I don't want to draw ten thousand old man heads?

>>4481746
I am drawing right now

>>4481842
how empty is your life that you have time to come here waste it every day? without achieving anything, you're just meaninglessly withering away.

why not try to add value to others? maybe even to yourself? go out and draw, stop falseflagging, stop being so negative, stop trying to stir shit.

do something positive with your life man.

>>4481853
Why don't you apply the heads to anime? Everytime loomis os brought up everyone just thinks you HAVE to copy the pictures in the book and not APPLY them to your animu drawings.

Where's that one gif with the loomis method being used to contruct anime heads?

>look at my arm for muscle reference
>im such a fucking weak twink I literally cannot see any muscles even when flexed
finally a reason to get ripped

>>4481745
You need loomis yourself. Your copies of hampton were just embarrasing.

are there any other apps you can use other than yandex to translate japanese pages?

>>4481879
i use google lens / translate on my phone and point it at my screen, it's finnicky sometimes but 100x faster

>>4481888
i wish there i can just shove all my pages in so i won't have to use one picture at a time.

>>4481867
based schizo

>>4481860
least you can draw women correctly

>>4478976
Where can I find it? It's all taken down

>>4481913
i wish

>>4481842
Are you the Mikufag? I'm going to level with you dude, despite all these things you talk about regarding learning how to draw, in all the years I've seen your art it looks very unappealing and poorly constructed. Not to mention the fact that I have never seen you improve at all.

Instead of criticizing other people on what they should do with their art, maybe you should focus on yourself.

>>4480331
What bait thread? The last anime thread? And what do you mean by "expose him"?

>>4482118

It was a metathread that got deleted. The OP left too many paper trails.

>>4482172
Sorry, I'm not really a frequent lurker here. You mention it was a metathread, what exactly was the thread about?

>>4482180
Oh, you're curious eh? I don't want to say because it'll make me look too paranoid but lets just say the OP of that thread is, well, heh, a crafty man.

>>4482206
Well yeah, I am a bit curious. It was mentioned in this thread after all! So I wondered if that anon may have posted in these threads before.
But I don't think it will matter too much on whether anons may think you're paranoid or not, likely no one knows your name here and if you have proof, then it's fine.

>>4482213
you're actin' kinda strange fu fu fu~

>>4482220
Was it this thread? >>/ic/thread/S4470883

>>4482227

fu fu fu fu fu oh dear I wonder

my lips are sealed but I'm on to yooooou

>>4481986
you can find it on e-hentai

>>4482241
if you're just going to vaguepost in a thread about studying or drawing anime, then just leave. If you think people asking about what you're talking about is suspicious, don't mention it to begin with and just post your art

>>4482248
am I speaking to the same anon?

>>4482250
different one.

>>4482253
Ah good, thanks for the data. Now I'm certain on my target.

>>4482254
no one cares. why mention about another anon in this thread if you aren't going to post anything worthwhile? you're likely just trying to be a shit stirrer for no reason. go away

>>4482256
How am I a shit stirrer I was just responding back to the person. Why so worked up huh?

>>4482254
Why would anyone waste their time on exposing 4chan anons personal data wtf

>>4482259

fu fu fu fu :)

Gmi anon mentioned scott eaton's anatomy. Is that a book or a series of video lectures?

>>4482257
you're definitely a shit stirrer, you decided to come in this thread and talk about a different thread that no longer exists, implying that someone lurking in these types of threads may have made it.
you're acting like the other anon is the person you're talking about and not even answering their question and giving annoying answers like this that does nothing but clog the thread up with shit.

>>4482267

>implying that someone lurking in these types of threads may have made it
yes and I'm not gonna give any more hint away you can drop it at that

>>4482269
then there was no point in mentioning about that thread to begin with. you could've just not talked about it at all but instead you vaguepost about it when no one asked you to.

if you have nothing worthwhile to contribute: fuck off already

>>4482271
Why do you seem so flustered? Did you have some coffee yet?

>>4482263
thanks anon, always flattered to see my art reposted. i saw it as a series of videos

>>4482284
Do you know where I can get them or if you could upload them? I'm trying to get as gud as you.

>>4482289

>>4482293
>Registration closed
On the bright side. I found the 2012 version on Russian sites. Thank you

>>4482284
So is this better than proko or vilppu videos anatomy.

>>4482318
i'm sure they're all about the same. it's just anatomy, get it wherever you'd like as long as they teach you about the skeleton, surface forms, and insertions

>>4480331
There are a lot of threads being made on /ic/ everyday that's exactly what you're describing. Just how early are we talking here?

>>4482323

Fu fu fu I know anons style from the back of my hand it doesn't matter how much he alternates. And because we're from the same mother board I know he's a prolific shitposter.

But without giving away too much I won't say any more.

>>4482330
That doesn't answer my question though? How early ago was the thread made

>>4482336

Thread(s) hehee

Not telling yooooou

Uhm okay

what kind of brushes do people use for things like this? Also, I am having immense difficulty even fucking copying because I'm just unable to visualise most forms. I've been doing heads for a fucking year and a half following whatever fucking methods I've been recommended and it still looks fucking retarded.

>>4482381
Things like what?

>>4482411
I can't articulate what I want to ask properly so I'm just going to continue to seethe and bash my head against a wall until I get it.

>>4482415
Post work that you would like to be able to do and your work

>>4482320
Oh very cool thanks

>>4481859
it's hard to appreciate methods when it is not applied to your desired result

>>4482563
I have never seen the Loomis method used to construct an anime head where a) the end result didn't look like /beg/ crap and b) the artist actually had a clear method for constructing every aspect of the drawing and didn't just rely on their intuition and memory for half of it.
I'm still waiting.

>>4482572
B is loomis itself too. You re looking for something that doesnt exist

>>4482636
What is "B"
>something that doesn't exist
Then why the fuck does everyone keep sucking Loomis's dick

>>4482648
Oh, you mean my point b.
Well that just validates my belief that good art is made through intuition and memory and Loomis has nothing to teach.

>>4482648
Dogmatism, that's pretty much what it is. Some will argue that you can come up with your own methods with loomis, but any other resource works as well.

>>4482284
I don't really recommend that, it's too specific, you won't really get anything from it if you don't have a strong grasp on figure drawing.

I went through it when I was more /beg/ and a lot of it I don't really remember, hindsight tells me I'd have benefitted much more if I just drew with that time and focused on figure drawing instead of anatomy.

I'll be 100% honest here, anatomy is like just the cherry on top, if you know how to construct the body in perspective AND you have mileage drawing bodies (like literally thousands of drawings of figures) then you're already good at drawing people, then and only then I'd suggest really learning anatomy so you can achieve master level.

But learning muscle positioning and shit like that when your figures still look like shit, sorry but they'll continue looking like shit and after some time you'll even forget some of that anatomy as it doesn't make that much of a difference.

tl;dr figure drawing and construction >>>> anatomy

>>4482723
fuck you

>>4482907
disagree. having a more concrete set of landmarks to work with has made things easier for me. there's too much i would miss simply because i wasn't looking for it or couldn't decipher some marginal change in tone. and it pretty much is construction.

but i do agree you shouldn't start with it. you need a decent basis of just drawing to attach the info to reality, otherwise it's abstract and quickly forgotten.

>>4482227
why are you people obsessed with this drawing of mine

>>4483082
Because it shows a textbook example of a dunning kruger.

>>4483028
Yeah, I mean, it must have helped me in some way, I just think my time could have been better used by learning it later rather than early as I did.

>>4482306
Please share.

>>4483188
lol ok

>>4482572
>>4482636
>>4482729


Bullshit.

>>4482263
NTA but, I'm pretty sure Hitokaku was more helpful to him for anime style.

Scott Eaton's course is like a more in depth verion of the proko anatomy one.

>>4483504
dont bother. based on the way he phrased the question he's telling you to disprove his subjective opinion which means if you show him a successful example he's just go "nah lol looks bad" no matter what

>>4483526
No those all look good. The question is, is there truly a repetable method there.
I'll take a closer look at those and see if there's anything I can take from it, if there is then great, if not then I'll keep saying that Loomis sucks.

>>4483575
NGMI

>>4483575
pyw

>>4483594
>>4483587

>>4483605
>hiding behind a reaction image

post your work pussy bitch

>>4483575
>your average /ic/ poster

>>4483605

You talk big for a /beg. Post your work

>>4483504
the artist who made this gif has posted her old artwork before and she had already been drawing in an anime style for years before really hitting the fundies. Loomis undoubtedly helped her get to a higher level but her ability to stylize was already developed by then, the fundies just let her apply it more consistently and with a solid grasp of 3D space

>>4483624

Thoughts and advice? Specially regarding the feet.

>>4483624
So Loomis works. Got it.

>>4483624
Loomis really does work huh?

>>4483628
stop drawing eye stickers the face isn't a flat surface

>>4483631
>>4483634
yes, but you have to actually acquire the "anime style" elsewhere, the fundies help you apply it. the idea that you can just learn to draw the figure and then adjust everything until it's perfect anime is how you end up with sycra

>>4483609
Their work is shit just like the shit they're spewing out their mouths. You can spoonfeed them information all day but because you did not provide a source that is written under moonrunes all the information is quickly disregarded and they'll then demand you to be equal to their favorite chink artist otherwise they'll take a dump on you. It's like trying to forcefeed a retard his medicine and you have to sugarcoat it with his favorite amawus to take in the information and use it.

>>4483644
At least sycra can draw anime better than 90% of /asg/, kek.

Why does this thread constantly conflate "anime studies" and "fundamentals"? This is /asg/, it's meant for people who want to post anime studies and discussions about anime proportion basically, in order to understand anime first of all. If you want to become an excellent anime illustrator or animator you'll need to do other things too that aren't in the scope of this thread, for example value studies, life drawing, anatomy studies, trying out construction methods etc. Haven't we had this discussion dozens of times already? What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>4483644
loomis just like many other books are part of the fundies in general, they are the medium to acquire anime style...ugh.

>>4483644
Post your work.

>>4483657
This is not your hugbox echochamber, this is an artwork/critique board and you're going to hear things you won't like to hear regardless if you try to carve out a niche community of weebs you're going to get pounded on by the board if you act like a retard.

>>4483660
You know he won’t, just like >>4483575
They can’t do it, because they are shit and it will ruin their narrative even more.

>>4483657
are you new? it was established from the very first threads that you needed a good fundation to start learning anime stylization, so you don't have 99.999999999% of these stupid arguments, otherwise people would understand from the gate how to stylize with the curses shown in the links and redlines from here.

>>4483666
It's not a matter of people liking it or not, it's a matter of it being blatantly off-topic or not. This is akin to people posting bargue plate studies in /alt/. Again, what the fuck is wrong with you?

>>4483671
"Fundamentals before anime" is a kind of sequential thinking that creates artists who simply can't draw anime. You can use anime to study your fundamentals. They aren't mutually exclusive. You can also study realism and anime simultaneously.

Pic related is from the foreword of that popular アニメ私塾 book by a guy in the Japanese anime industry. See the triangle?
>上手い絵の模写: 上手い人の絵の記号(絵のパターン)を手に入れる
>Copying good drawings: acquiring the symbols of skilled people's drawings (the patterns of the drawings)
>実物の線画化:実物を理解することで、上手い人の絵が理解できる
>Real life drawing: by understanding real life, we can understand skilled people's drawings
>創作活動全般: 落書きや作品制作
>General original creation: sketching, complete OC works etc

Quote from the foreword:
>こうして、学生時代は「自主制作アニメを作る」「上手い絵の模写」「実物の線画化」のトライアングルを繰り返すことで劇的に上達していき、絵を描き始めてからわずか3年でスタジオジブリの入社試験に合格することができました。
>In this way, I made extreme progress during my school years by repeating a triangle of doing my own original anime drawings, copies of good drawings, and life drawings, and only 3 years after picking up drawing I was able to pass Studio Ghibli's employment test.

He was 19 when he started drawing.

Pic related also shows drawings from before he started practising deliberate copying as well as his original anime drawings from ~2 years after that.

Here's a link to a blog post with where he raves about the efficacy of copying
http://animesijyuku.blogspot.com/2018/05/blog-post_73.html

>>4483676
>"Fundamentals before anime" is a kind of sequential thinking that creates artists who simply can't draw anime

stop replaying to this retard he is just baiting

>>4483644
>yes, but you have to actually acquire the "anime style" elsewhere, the fundies help you apply it.
You acquire the "anime style" through immersion. If you fap to big animay tiddies you're being immersed in the style enough to be able to replicate it if you have a strong foundation in the fundamentals. If you have over 5gb of smug animay reaction pics you've had more than enough immersion to replicate it. There is virtually no need to copy unless you've never seen an anime pic before in your life.

>>4482284
I remember you posting pages full of copies you had done with a pen. Do you do light construction lines or marks on the page to help with accuracy? Doing a single copy with a pen takes a long time for me to the point that I think it might not be useful practice for me at this point. If I were to start over whenever I got something wrong, I would prob never complete a copy this way.
I assume you got your speed and accuracy over time?

middle is copy with a pen, right is copy with construction.

>>4483676
>They aren't mutually exclusive. You can also study realism and anime simultaneously.
Exactly what I'm doing, vilppu and copying anime everyday. When I finish Renaissance Figure Drawing I'll go into Renaissance Head Drawing and then portraits every daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay.

>>4483676
>It's not a matter of people liking it or not, it's a matter of it being blatantly off-topic or not. This is akin to people posting bargue plate studies in /alt/. Again, what the fuck is wrong with you?
I'll play the devil's advocate. Where are those anime studies? Where are the copies done on a 1:1 scale and the fruits of your labor that is content created from copying from anime screenshots?

>>4483707
Congrats man you fucking unlocked the secret. Don't get caught up in these pointless black&white discussions, do both and change focus based on what your weaknesses are (critical thinking needed)

>>4483720
>Where are those anime studies?
I do agree with you. There aren't enough anime studies, too much OC and arguing about construction, discussions that should really be taken elsewhere.

>>4483701
You're also doing these? I'm following his advice and going full ink directly, I make a lot of mistakes but with practice my accuracy is getting better and better.

Also helps that I did a bunch of dynamic sketching exercises over the months, so I can make a straight line without help pretty easily.

What resources are you guys using for copies? Right now I'm copying toshi, pixiv anatomy tutorials from mangamaterials and full page copies from yande.re (after seeing the sketches of murata's daughter I got the urge to do full page drawings, it's kinda easier because you have more space to work on, and thus more freedom).

Make your mind /asg/ do I need fundies or not to start learning anime

>>4483741
"Fundies" is too abstract, practice fundies along with anime. Like, both of them every day if you're ambitious. This is the only answer.

>>4483741
I'll say this as simple as possible. Use real world references, draw from the model and then experiment using the model with the style you chose. It takes a lot of trial and error to compliment fundamentals while deviating away from them through the use of ideal and style.

>>4483741
You need fundies to draw, so yes, you need fundies for anime, but fundies is a general concept, it means the fundamentals of art. Vilppu says that: "Art is the methodical application of the fundamentals, there is nothing advanced about art."

Basically to learn art you go through cycles of learning the fundamentals and applying them, each time unlocking new knowledge.

For anime, just like anon pointed out above:

>Learn realism, dedicate some time everyday for fundies
>Copy the art of artists you like
>Make your own original artwork

And keep looping through these 3 points everyday until the day you fucking die, after some thousands hours you'll become a great artist.

Fundies are for retards who are trying to cope with not being able to draw anime, prove me wrong. Protip: you can't

>>4483771
let me prove you wrong in 3 letters:

PYW

>>4483733
yeah, I do a bit of dynamic sketching warm up too before starting.
For copies I just searched for artbooks/sketches of my fav artists.
> I make a lot of mistakes but with practice my accuracy is getting better and better.
okay, I'll just keep going then. do you copy the same image until you get it right, or do you move from subject to subject?

>>4483776
kek btfo

>>4483776
BTFOOOOOOO>>4483771

>>4483776
>t. retard who feel for the fundies meme

>>4483776
Based as fuck

>>4483771
I mean you can’t draw either way, so meh.

>>4483771
STUPID IDIOT YOU GOT BTFO GO FIND A CHINK TWITTER AND POST HIS WORKS AS YOURS IS OUR ONLY HOPE !!!!!

>>4483771
Imagine needing to cope by being smug

>>4483776
>>4483771
BTFO

>>4483787
S E E T H I N G
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>>4483794
>>4483787
The absolute state of /asg/

>>4483776
/thread
based

>>4483800
Holyshit is this real?

>>4483785
>>4483786
>>4483792
>>4483800
>>4483804
you idiots really think this btfo'd me? heh, try again simpletons. maybe actually ATTEMPT to prove me wrong this time....

>>4483809
Aight, here comes part 2 boys:

pyw or gtfo.

>4483809
>i was merely pretending
antifundiefags eternally assblasted

>>4483809
Post your work.

>>4483809
If you don’t need funides to be good at art, then why won’t you post your artwork as proof?

>>4483782
copy it until you get it right, it's better for learning, do it side by side so you can see how much you improved.

also you can be free and draw from imagination too directly with ink, just do it on cheap papers and draw A LOT I think is the most important message.

if you think your lines are shit, draw more and with each drawing try to improve them bit by bit, don't take it too seriously and JUST DRAW MORE! :D

>>4483809
All you have to do is post your drawings to make this all end

Damn anon is taking his sweet ass time to find some obscure ass chink that draws anime.

>>4483820
**what I mean by drawing from imagination too is just, after you copy, you can draw whatever you want in the same spirit of what you were copying, don't care about making the paper a beautiful illustration, your papers will have some good, some bad, some horrible illustrations, but if you can see the progress, it's good.

the last ~30 replies were all me, i apologize for being retard.

>>4483628
The biggest problem is actually the eyes, the rest of the pic looks good.

I'm not gonna steal some chinkoids work dumbasses

>>4483836
>the rest of the pic looks good

Fu fu fu, busy shitposting again I see? That’s the spirit my friend.

>>4483848
That’s what you antifundie fags tend to do though, kek.

>>4483852
How do you know I came back here

>>4483850
You could give actual criticism

>>4483852
>Fu fu fu
cringe

>>4483852
based schizo once again

>>4483859
Why should criticism be given? Why can’t we insult people instead?

>>4483820
>>4483827
will do. thanks for the encouragement, anon!

>>4483859
the feets to start, poor shading,drappery,eyes, no flow in the hair ass needs more form an so that leg.in summary everything but that depends if you are talking about subjectively good or objective

>>4482907
i think you can get a lot of important facts from going through anatomy which you can keep in mind during any phase of your figure drawing. in most cases, you will learn to represent (and recognize) something quicker if you already had academic knowledge about it, instead of just trying to absorb it intuitively. the 10 hours spent on learning some facts will pay dividends in the hundreds of hours that should be spent practicing and observing
>>4483701
yeah, i often did light construction with pen. the goal of using pen in my case was to 1. stop erasing 2. visualize how the line will change the drawing before putting it down. speed and accuracy definitely came over time, but the important thing is that it's less prone to the overworking and fussing around i did with a pencil/digital. on bad copies, i made a hard to rule to just move on after my 3rd attempt

>>4483922
>Skipped my post

Where do you guys find references to study from? I mean literally thousands of characters and even better if they're all on one picture like a sheet.

>>4483922
shut the fuck up you wet lipped blubbery chink

>>4483920
how much of erik olson did you go through? all of it?

>>4483920
>i made a hard to rule to just move on after my 3rd attempt
that sounds like a good idea, thanks

>>4483928
Pixiv is great for following specific artists, since many of them post logs with doodles so you can see their process. Related images tend to be similar to whatever youre looking at so you can just scroll until you find something good. Theres also some streams on there along with tutorials.

>>4483733
-pixiv anatomy tutorials are so good.

>>4484020

>>4484020
>>4484246
Is there a tag/artist for more? These are good.

>>4484020
>>4484246
>>4484281
>plaster your name across your artwork multiple times and in different languages
>anon is so blind he still misses it
So much for giving credit

>>4484287
Shit's invisible unless I tilt my screen back.

>>4484287
There will always be special kinds of retarded just like that anon

>>4484281
if the information in those images is new to you, maybe it would be better for you to read hampton or loomis first.....

>>4484246

>>4484306
This guy gives examples of every bad shit you can do, it's much better than loomemes and hamemepton.

>>4484338
This. The format is much more helpful for those who are currently struggling instead of those who are just starting out.

>>4484348
why is it blurry

>finally upgrading from my mouse.

bros I'm crying

>>4484365
>drawing with a mouse
ishygddt

>>4484373
I will be drawing with a wacom pro 16 soon so it doesn't matter anymore.

>>4484348
>copy
why are her feets floating anyway

>>4484431
it was a practice from another thread, also i wanted to draw feet.

>>4484441
she has obese people's calves the og is a muscular one, yours goes 2/3 low

I WANT TO GET GOOD, I WANT TO DRAW CUT ART OF MY WAIFU.

I WANT TO DRAW MY OWN PANTREON MANGA.

>>4484495
Instead of focusing on want, focus on do

>>4484496
Im so hyped for my tablet I dont want to draw on my mouse anymore.

>>4484498
are you the laptofag

>>4484504
no

>>4483954
by the time i got about halfway into his 3pt lectures i already read most of https://www.handprint.com/HP/WCL/tech10.html
so that's about where i dropped off in terms of his video series

Has anyone followed what the "Effective Art Study Guide" says to do? What was it like? Who even wrote it?

It kinda reads like theoretically applied pseudo-psychology.

Is the best way to practice weirdly curved lines in hair just to draw them over and over again? I'm copying references and sometimes feel like I can never get a certain line right after a hundred tries, it's always too straight or not curved correctly at the end, etc.

>>4484823
basically, yes.
can you post an example?
100 times is a bit too much imo

>>4484616
>https://www.handprint.com/HP/WCL/tech10.html

Holy shit did you really read all of that? How useful was it and how did you practice? Or did you just read it?

>>4484828
That was a bit of an exaggeration, but it is hard to get all these individual hair curves right.

>>4484823
>only a hundred times
Yikes, try a few thousand. You'll never get good with that small amount.

>>4484845
i didn't read it past 3 point perspective, iirc. i practiced by making diagrams like pic related. i don't think it was immediately useful. it seems rather plausible that having a really solid understanding of perspective (how images form on the picture plane as light rays are received by the eyeball) might be helpful in the long run. most people are pretty put off by stuff like this and i'm not necessarily recommending it. but personally, i found it to be interesting and enjoyable

>>4484851
Watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLd9YlgrhwWqDg-O1kdp84Py30Tev8W4Ch

>>4483852
god, shut up. the janitor already removed your posts before. i hope they do it again.

How's this? Any tips so I can improve?

Rip me a new one

>>4484851
saauce

>>4485023
Plenty of things so I'll just point out what bothers me the most: Stop making your hands so tiny. When extended, they should be about the size of your face. Try it yourself.

>>4484365
what did your drawing look like on mouse anon?

>>4485023
Look at references when youre not 100% sure of how to draw something. Most of this picture looks like you drew what you think something looks like rather than a stylized version of what it actually does.
The shirt and socks look like theyre painted directly onto the body. The skirt looks like you took the same pleat and repeated it over and over, and it makes it look like a bunch of jagged objects pinned together. Also, Im assuming shes slightly lifting her leg, so part of the skirt should be resting on the leg and not just shorter than the other side. I dont know why the right part is flared out like that. The skirt is almost knee length so gravity should be pulling it down more unless theres wind or motion which is hard to tell.
A hairbun isnt just a ball with a bunch of lines in it. That goes the same for hair, too. Dont draw each strand the exact same width. Add variation and stray hairs.
Draw hands. Draw the rest of the legs. Dont give me a fully body pose and then go and hide the feet. It looks odd. It doesnt help that you lifted the leg to make the pose look less stiff without changing anything else about it.

You have a vague idea of what things look like and where they go but you dont actually understand why theyre there.
Draw more from life, and look at how anime and manga stylize life. Use references for everything until you can draw it accurately from memory, and even then, keep looking at them.

>>4485077
>>4485047
thank you

I wanted to do a power-stance pose but I had no idea how to place the leg on the left.

>>4484900
how many hours a day were you drawing for? it sounds like you were studying a ton of stuff at once

>>4482723
>>4482941
plot twist: left was drawn first

>>4485135
That's one hell of a redline.

>>4481686

>>4485207
Why is she so smug?

I am a western-style guy but I like the style of 90s Capcom games, especially Mega Man legends heavily. But, There is only so much concept art.

i was wondering if you weebs knew any artists similar to it, the colors and vehicle design of MML kinda remind of Porco Rosso and what Miyazaki does with airships but that's really how deep my knowledge goes.

Also, another quick question, you guys studying this stuff in tandem with fundamentals or after having a solid fundamentals from the get go?

>>4485212
You were sitting on the couch and it suddenly smelled like farts, you opened your mouth to say something, and she turned around and shot you this look

How tf do i draw facial expressions? I try to copy them from random jap accounts on twitter and they always look off, please I'm getting tired of drawing a smiling animu grill all the time

>>4484703
I'd like to know who wrote it, too.
>theoretically applied pseudo-psychology.
doesn't seem all that unreasonable to me. it's basically: doing what you want to do, failing at it, identifying why you failed, and then seeking out resources to improve in that area.

>>4485266
Pick only a few style you like to mimic and stick with it. Avoid mimicking artists with too varied style, they should have similar style or soul that you want to apporach. For beginner limit to 2 or 3 artists only, branch out to 5 when you got the gist of it.

>>4485007

Anon can’t run away from me ho ho ho!

>>4485050
most of my stuff was on garryc.

>>4485207
She has bad posture of an old lady.

Why hasnt happybottomboi been ip range banned yet

>>4485605
No the real question here is why happyboi didn’t make a review on /asg/ yet.

>>4485605
At this point 4chan is probably banned in china so he uses vpn either way

Guys I’m still unable to post my studies because it’s furry smut. You think if I censor it I can post it?

>>4485748
Do it faggot.

>>4485749
Maybe from my phone on mobile data... I keep wondering if any of my housemates use 4chan, if I get banned they will see it and see my power level lol

>>4485772
post your sister's drawings then

>>4485774
No hahaha I live with roommates haha

Is there any tip for doing lineart faster on CSP? I like my lineart but my process is extremely slow.

>>4485788
what brush are you using?

>>4485788
Get gud, stop trying to find shortcuts, retard.

>>4485801
Stock G-Pen

>>4485788
Make the sketch layer barely visible. Avoid ctrl z as much as possible.

do you ever look at yourself in the mirror and think, I wanna draw an anime girl doing that

>>4486510
>no results on google image search

>>4486516
I wouldn't expect there to be, I just drew it

>>4486518
>I just drew it

>>4486522
....yes

>>4486510
Bro I think she kinda broke her arm.

>>4486529
shut up lying nigger

>>4486533
how so
>>4486534
...I'm not lying retard

>>4486544

>>4486551
>he doesn't wear diapers
ngmi

>>4486544
Try that pose. Place your hand on the counter backwards then rest on it. Being uncomfortable aside, but the arm actually bends towards yourself, the opposite direction your drawing shows, if it bent like that your elbow would snap.

>>4486569
Ok yeah I believe you, I was just going off of memory of looking at myself brushing my teeth earlier haha. Thanks

The more i draw the less results i get
The less results i get, the more i hate myself
The more i hate, the more i hate

Also hello 4chan

>>4486544
>15 layers

>>4485128
probably about 3 hours on average... i wasn't very consistent. sometimes i drew for 8 hours and some days i wouldn't draw at all

>>4486653
>Getting discouraged after first plateau.

lmao

How do I get mediocre anime artfriends?
They can't be too good either or they'll just make me feel bad.

>>4486780
By joining the art lounge discord

Study from one of LM7’s works (https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/420928))
Any tips on inking? The hair, clothes, and chair look like theyre made from the same material and blend into each other and im not sure how to fix that. Also, I tend to stick with 0.05 pens since everything else is harder for me to control, and its easier to control line width when i start from the smallest option. I plan to move onto brush and dip pens to learn better control.
Im thinking for this i should study ink works. Shouldnt use a digitally rendered piece...

>>4485788
use vectors.

>>4486860
Study lineweight, try to use thicker pens, don't stick to the same size and try to experiment with different thickness.

>>4486706
Have you ever rendered something

>>4486911
Nigga, how the fuck is shit rendered, are fucking brain dead? >>4486544
Btfo

>>4486917
are you retarded. maybe scroll up like 10 posts. see >>4486510

>>4486706
>15 layers
Like a little baby

Ho ho ho...

>>4485207
to0 western

https://mega.nz/folder/w45RWIxC#pmIbSEHn-s_4INZBYCg4ng

Copy-pasta of my original thread.

This might be useful for anyone needing a lot of references for Anime faces. I took a bunch of Anime renders from MGRenders and cropped it so I only saw the face. The crops aren't that great since this was something I did back when I wasn't that good; in my reference hoarding phase but I think it's still a lot better than searching for a new face every time you want to do a copy or something.

>Just in case my quota goes out or something:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/pkbl4myjfshwhuj/Anime_Faces.7z/file

>>4486721
I've hit so many plateaus by now I don't even care I just keep going.

>>4487011
holy shit where did you find these?

>>4487044
just dont give up anon, ganbaru

>>4487011
Thanks, that's pretty helpful to have actually.

>>4487047
MG Renders.

>>4487011
God bless you anon.

>>4485207
I like it but also wonder why people keep making insincere comments about your stuff.

I'm getting addicted to studying

>>4487464
Remember to make finished content or it will all be for nothing

>>4487472
I don't post finished drawings here, only studies.
It's at /alt/

Can anyone offer an in-depth explanation as to why a face might look "western"?

>>4487525
More nose - more western
Less nose - less western

>>4487464
if this is yours, you should be

first time posting here. How good to you think Jojo is as study material?
anyways, I tried to copy Kira's pose the best I could. I can already see some issues, mostly with the head size.

>>4487813
JoJo is as good as anything else you like. If you love JoJo and want to draw in a style inspired by Araki, study JoJo.

>>4487464
Do you have a screen tablet? I don't care much about line economy when I'm just studying and it's almost impossible to make clean lines easily on the screenless tablet.

>>4488119
>it's almost impossible to make clean lines easily on the screenless tablet

are you using a small one? i only have mine for 3 months and i can make cleaner lines with this tablet than the ones i did on paper

>>4488231
Mine is medium sized, but I find it extremely hard to do lineart on it.

I've been thinking about creating an /asg/ discord group for posting daily studies and being a bit more rigid against crabs and people who don't draw/are too negative. Would you guys be interested? I'd love to be able to see more of gmi-anon's work.

>>4488285
>/asg/ discord group
are you part of the one linked in the sticky? what's that one like?

>>4488324
I was a long time ago, but most of the people there were crabs that didn't draw anything and just gave "crits" to others, I'd rather a group of like 5-10 anons that draw everyday and give positive/constructive feedback than a lot of people who do nothing but talk.

>>4488348
I'd be down to join. having a smaller group might help with accountability.
I might not really be in a position to give helpful feedback though, since I'm /beg/.

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>>4488593
>>4488593
>>4488593

>>4480013
The image is horribly jpeg'd, so there's artifacts everywhere and the colors fucked.

>>4487813
stop chicken scratching and learn gesture