/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Practicing heads, making improvements :)

>>4471555

Looks like someone wanted their shitty blooks in the OP. You didn't even link the last thread.

>>4471572


>>4469177

>>4471550
REPLY TO THE PREVIOUS THREAD AND REFERENCE IT IN THE OP YOU FUCKING RETARD

Why? Why?

Based blook poster

can i get artists that use the loomis method? please

>>4471620
>NOOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO REPLY TO THE PREVIOUS THREADERINO AND REFERENCE IT IN THE OP YOU RETARDERINO

>>4471648
Andrew Loomis. You're welcome.

When you guys tear me a new one, please be gentle. ;(

>>4471663
based

>>4471648
The loomis method is a tool to help beginners. Professionals don't need it. They can imagine the proportions in their heads and start drawing down features immediately.

Should i drop fun with a pencil and move on to keys to drawing? I'm on page atm 52 and it's starting to feel like is just grinding and shit, the only thing I want to do is draw animu.

>>4471703
dont rely so hard on books. copying your favourite artists drawings will net you faster improvements

>>4471620
>>4471606

>>4471712
is he gonna punch or bumps fists

>>4471708
I see but I always hear here that you should do the fundies first and then focus on what do you wanna draw, copying alone won't help, etc etc.

>>4471730
Well, copy but like copy with fundies. Understand the shapes you are drawing, don't just copy the lines

>>4471730
never listen to a single word /ic/ says
>>4471737
this

fundies will come naturally to you anyway

>>4471739
Wow thanks, So basically analyzing and deconstructing what I see will help me improve?

>>4471550
finally gonna learn anatomy through using the hampton anatomy videos, can't wait to learn how to actually draw cause I'm trash

Need advice for colouring digital drawings on Sai, I'm looking for a cell shaded, blocky shadows sort of style but I don't know what I'm doing, I'm not confident enough when it comes to digital to paint in the shadows, and multiply/shadow layers look flat and dull
Thank

>>4471766
then use add

>>4471766
You need ability to draw terminator on a cylinder, not mixing modes. Can you?

>>4471771
Bruh, thats not going to change much
>>4471785
What? T-800?

>>4471744
yes basically. i'm not saying don't use books at all by the way, just don't think it's required to be good

I find my linework unappealing, but I can't put my finger on what's bad about it.
Opinions?

first time drawing coom thoughts?

>>4471803
nice hands

>>4471801
judging by the fact that i can see how much you've erased, you're not very confident in your lines. even if your lines suck committing to the quality of each stroke is important. i could easily see your lines becoming very appealing with the shapes you are creating on the page there.

at the very least you don't seem to be /beg/ chicken scratcher

I suddenly have a case of the Mondays.

>>4471788
no, like these

>>4471823
Ah I see, thats helpful with anatomy and where to place shadows, thanks man. In hindsight I botched this drawing

>>4471828
nice

>>4471803
It's a good first attempt.
Background needs tons of work. The bed is shown from a pov high in the air, but the people are shown from a pov lower to the ground.
You should take a picture of yourself trying these poses on a bed to get a feel for the perspective.

how shit should my first loomis heads look because they look completely awful...

>>4471550
posted as the last thread was ending, reposting here

>>4471847
Total shit is fine.

The point of loomis heads is not to make good drawings, it's to start thinking in terms simple forms and masses

I found clear finish in my artbox

God my motivation is real low
I'm feeling lazy, but I did this anyways
wip

Is doodling random shit like this useful for improving my depth perception?
Too bored to do anatomy studies but too unskilled to draw things that actually make sense.

Work in progress art for a small contest, harsh criticism appreciated

>>4471801
i see you like kameloh

>>4471801
Scratchy, uniformly grey, no variation in line weight. That's why it looks bad.

>>4471748
Does this anatomy look good to you?

>>4471980
Yes. You should also try editing the drawing until the perspective looks “right”, it helps you identify what you did wrong.

>>4471803
The flower in the eye is weird and distracting. My suggestion would be making it smaller.
I can't tell if the girl is getting fucked on a throne or large chair or if she's on a bed (the perspective problem has been pointed out already).
Finally- and not a criticism of the art at all- is the dialogue. "Such beautiful punishment" doesn't make much sense to me. The fact that the person speaking has his head off the page makes it impossible to tell if he's saying it like he's COOMING, feels relieved, has been totally mindbroken, etc. At least it isn't "my hips are moving on their own," or "hell yeah bitch you love my fat cock."

The girl's right heels look pretty great and that latex isn't half bad either.

>>4472012
Alright but you need to provide more information for the contest's specifications.

>>4471904
Your lights are everywhere. Pick one light source and commit to it until you get comfortable.

>>4472121
Its literally just drawing the character I drew, no other specifications

>>4472012
Looks like shit. Hard to even know where to begin with fixing it since there's not much positive to grab on to. Basically you need to just keep learning how to draw, draw from life, copy good artists, etc.

>>4471803
make it your last

>>4472291
Ok, thanks, would you reccomend I scrap it

Thinking about giving up, i've been drawing for like 3 months and I keep hitting myself in frustration at not being able to draw simple shit, just spent like an hour trying one of the first practices in "fun with a pencil", I didn't like a single aspect about any attempt I made.

>>4472349
>Thinking about giving up
do it

>>4472012
Ok I can try to give some more specific criticism:
Thick black lines of uniform weight around everything look terrible, makes it look cheap, can be a way of hiding the lack of detail e.g. in the hair.
Hands and feet are completely fucked, need to start from scratch there.
Hand resting on face merges with the face in a weird and confusing way, makes that area look unclear.
But really the best thing to do would be to just start over with a new drawing.

background color is probably not the best but eh

>>4472327
>>4472361
Basically yeah.
Don't feel too bad about it, everyone has to be a /beg/ at some point. Also if you start a new drawing don't expect to immediately rocket up in skill level. But maybe you can pick one or two things that you really didn't like about this drawing and try to improve them in the next.

>>4472319
Take a picture of your own hand on your hip and use that as a reference. Your fingers will naturally curl somewhat and overlap and some fingers will cover up parts of other fingers; they won't just all be sitting there in a straight line like that.

>>4472349
just go learn perspective instead. if you cant learn that then maybe its ok to give up. its the most fundamental skill for drawing so giving up before giving it a good go would be silly. studying is rarely fun.

>>4472362
yeah the bg does not provide good contrast with the character watch the understanding color video for more info about this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj1FK8n7WgY

i finally learned english well enough to try reading loomis's head and hands book, i enjoyed it

i'm not really satisfied with how i tried to integrate what i learned into my art though, i'd appreciate some guidance

>>4472364
>>4472361
Thanks, will do

>>4472393
It's good! The eyes could be sunk deeper into the skull, and the nose's position looks a little off--maybe add a nostril or another line will indicate that it's perpendicular to (points straight out of) the face

>>4471550
how do you draw better flowing hair ?
I feel like my lines are too rigid and fat, is the key to loosen up the pressure on the pencil and let the lines flow themselves ?

I always miss the proportion and the anatomy. But how is the gesture ? I feel like I'm also doing it wrong.

>>4472560
You need to take more time as your drawing by reference to really look at the reference as you go. Try and draw every line as exact as you can get it. Don’t bullshit, really inspect the reference and think “how close is this edge to this one” “how big is her rib cage compared to her waist” etc. Sometimes I feel lazy and just wanna bullshit but you need to be hard on yourself to DRAW WHAT YOU SEE. Also just use resources for proportion/anatomy that people post on here. Also this
https://youtu.be/74HR59yFZ7Y

>>4471674
I actually like this a lot. Post more :b

I have this bad habit of pressing down hard to get steady lines, which ends up making everything look flat and boring. Should I just draw in pen to practice line confidence?

>>4472623
thanks bro
>Don’t bullshit
Yep, seems to be my problem, I'll try to be more careful

>>4472012
Yeah I'm thinking based. Care to post the whole piece of work? I'm really digging the concept of the werewolf taking a dump in the Monster Energy Drink cemetery, reminds of the pic related. Don't listen to this faggot >>4472291 he lives in a imaginary world where he thinks hes Loomis himself and never had mistake drawing his work must look like absolute shit, this asshole is jealous of you because you have the balls to pyw and he doesn't post his work or help other people out with constructive criticism because hes a fag. We all have to start at some point and your work is wonderful.

>>4472560
Your proportion and anatomy sucks partially because you're not doing gesture. Outlining is NOT gesture. Watch Vilppu.

>>4472012
It’s bad anon
Don’t give up keep trying but I think you need to start a whole new drawing, specifically after studying up hard in gesture and proportion. And drawing folds in clothing. Even if you don’t make it by the contest deadline don’t let that get you down and keep drawing.

Curious what people think.

>>4472665

>>4471550
i hope this is good

>>4472682
FUCKING NIGGER WEBSITE I RESIZED THIS IMAGE ALREADY FUCK YOU

>>4472646
make a habit of having fast strokes. if you press down, your strokes are slow. To get confident steady lines, make them quick and decisive

>try to draw loomis heads
>dont know what the fuck I'm doing
>can't even finish one
>literally start crying and get drunk
im gonna just kys fuck existing

I just can't feel the form, I can hear the spirit of Vilppu telling me to feel it, but I can't.

Used a grid to get used to seeing objectively

>>4472714
I know that's what I should be doing, but I always revert to slow and rough strokes. In pic related I tried to draw quick confident lines but you can still see places where I caught myself slowing down.
Maybe I should just force myself to draw quicker to break this habit.

>>4472758
Lower the eyes a bit. Or are you going for that yaoi vibe?

>>4472751
not all highlights are the same value on the ref, be careful

otherwise i like the progress relative to that apple anon

>>4472775
Ah yes I can see that now. It's cool breaking down values cause I'm seeing how relative everything is and it's not always what you logically think it would be

>>4472770
Shit, does it really give you that feeling? Shouldn't the eyes be level with the nose bridge and top of the ear?

>>4472716
if your fucking up completely just focus on the act of drawing a 2d circle, starting from absolute basics, you'd be surprised how hard it is to draw a semi-good circle if you've never drawn since you were a kid

heh

>>4472820

>>4472810
consider the skeletal structure of the face. Most men have a pronounced skeletal bump at the eyebrows, and underneath that is the bridge of the nose

I'm having trouble understanding what exactly I'm meant to do here

>>4472855
You must learn proportions from real life. In that example he uses the head as a way to measure out the rest of the body, top to bottom, and side to side.

>>4471803
why are neither of them erect?

>>4472834
Oh, well those are supposed to be female heads. I tried making the brow ridge less pronounced but guess it wasn't a good enough job.
I'll keep it in mind for male heads though.

>>4472855
He's telling you to trace

How the fuck do you render with a pencil

>>4471803
The hair and arm can use more detail. And the anatomy is wonky, but it's also a awkward position to draw.
Personally I would make her look more smug.
I just love this foul mouth intoner

>>4472867
Females have those ridges too, though.

Do I have to masturbate every morning so I dont end up as a coomer artist?

>>4472560

Working on this still life trying to get some color gains

>>4472886
steven pearce - 101 textures in graphite, and crilley - the two-pencil method are both decent.
jd hillberry has some good youtube videos. i didn't like his book compared to the other two though.

>>4472966
>>/int/

>>4472976
/int/ doesnt exist so you might as well have
>>>/out/

Unironically the most disgusting "art" I've ever seen, why the fuck would you even attempt to draw this

>>4473005
Then don't.

>>4472855
pro tip: if you want to draw anime shit, skip all these books and just copy anime & watch youtube tutorials

>>4473012
what about fundies? post your work.

>>4473012
if you wanna draw shit anime*
edited

>>4473005
it helps you understand shapes and how they interact with each other based on the angle that they're viewed at. Remember, this is for complete begs

>>4473012
pyw

I think i am not smart enough to understand how to study

Bugs

>>4471555
Wouldn't it be better to study heads from photos instead of paintings?

>>4472976
Not sure I'd call that int

>>4473052
That's at least high beg

>>4473092
Yeah probably, I don't want to call or box in any artist as /beg/ when they're not even really beg but that's just how /ic/s shit ranking system goes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3MHqlFLdMU

How do I feel the form like this bros

>>4473052
>>4473092
>>4473098
he just literally copied 3 drawing from michael hampton book mind you
let's see him draw that from a different angle

>>4473145
I can understand not wanting to share bad work with your friends or family n shit but the people who refuse to upload their shitty drawings in /beg/ are beyond stupid

Been told I'm /beg/ when I post elsewhere generally, so guess I'm posting here instead. Don't know if I'm just getting trolled or what.

>>4472627
I've been reading a lot of gothic horror lately, so I might do something a sketch of Dracula or Frankenstein tonight.

>>4473178
You are beg. Practice fundamentals

Professional coomer consumers, I need critique

I think this finished piece is... ok... But it's missing something to really push it that other big shot coomer artists have. Anyone have any idea? It feels like it's a couple things away from being good in a traditional internet porn kind of way, if that makes sense

>>4473178
why is it shaded like an anime preproduction frame?

>>4473037
looks like you are doing okay

>>4473005
read the book

>>4472820
>>4472821
keep practicing and do some construction studies

>>4473193
this section is missing all the coom details
I dont feel sexual arousal looking at this
her ass is weird shaped
her nipples are weirdly drawn which is distracting
there is no delicious stomach details
her face is also not that appealing sexually speaking

>>4473193
her left hand looks like it was crushed, is she a metabaron?

>>4473193
too flat
not degenerate enough

>>4473190

Fair enough I suppose.

>>4473195

I've found it helps me put down shading if I do this beforehand. My other older drawings were kind of super splotchy prior, and I wasn't a huge fan of it.

>>4473209
>>4473211
>>4473214

Back to porn basics I guess, thanks

>>4473215
its not something I would show off if you are looking for critique, it just takes more work to see if your shading is working or not. Next time show the shading in its realized form and you would get better help

>>4473209
Does this arouse you?

>>4473230

Got it. Thanks, anon.

Any good resource that helps break down muscles/fat into planes?

>>4473238
sometimes it might be helpful to show your process, but this isn't the right setting

>>4472366
your criticism was noted

Why do all the boomer books use men as reference? How is this gonna help me draw sexys girls?

>>4473019
>>4473021
>>4473034
ngmi

>>4473256
>>4472319

Why the fuck do people recommend loomis over Pr*ko or Vilppu?

Anyone ever feel like they're in complete /beg/ mode when it comes to heads? Like, I'll still practice them, and do a bunch at once, but when it comes to the actual proportions of it, it feels like there's always too much going on. I somehow both do and don't understand Loomis at the same time.

is there some kind of mantra or some shit to summon up motivation to draw
unironic question, i can't cope

What do you guys think about this cute little exercise?

>>4473306
The shadow of the sphere in the background looks fucked.

>>4473304
Don't draw if you dont feel like drawing unless this is not a hobby for you.

>>4473291
Pyw

>>4473304
yea its not really a mantra but if you just get out all your stuff and sit down and commit to just drawing a minute a day you will find yourself drawing more than a minute because you went through all the trouble of getting all your stuff out to draw.

>>4472976
>>4473158
would i be posting in /ic/ at all if i didnt consider myself in need of improvement

>>4471550
Watched a video of this drawing and did this myself. I dont care if it looks off but to me this is a huge fucking achievement.

>>4473357
it would be even better if you had studied properly you retard

>>4473362
Pyw

>>4473357
Good job getting your feet wet into this world anon, keep it up. Now if you don't want to read mean ass words then stop reading here.
Damn those are some big ass timbs she is wearing, good enough for those giraffe neck-tier legs, straight out of Code gayass.

>>4473341
some 30m figures from croquis cafe
>>4473336
this is pretty much golden advice for anything in life

>>4473362
Im doing exactly that shit dipshit and that was my first drawing since third grade.

>>4473247
Anatomy For Sculptors.

>>4473193
>>4473209
NEEDS SPREAD HAIRY COOCHY

is there a more modern version of loomis's fun with a pencil that's effectively the same thing? i can't stand the grotesque 50s artstyle

>>4473381
that book is ass dont read it or anything similar to that.

>>4472819
did you draw this? it's lovely

>>4473375
so? you want a prize or somenthing you just drew exactly like that like toddler and it looks like shit thats the reality.

>>4473381
you need to see through style in order to gain anything of substance in your skill

>>4473367

>>4473390
>1578435910157

>>4473383
what would you recommend then? it's been a few years since i read the sticky (and didn't make it) but that seemed to be the unanimous starting point
>>4473389
i mean sure but do i really need to worry about this when i am still trying to learn to draw a head

>>4473393
What? jealous that I can afford proko's premium courses?

>>4473387
No I appreciate the critique. Gonna try some more and when I see some improvement gonna post here for opinions again

>>4473381
just skip it

>>4473397
Videos > Books.

>>4473397
>i mean sure but do i really need to worry about this when i am still trying to learn to draw a head

If you are serious about learning to draw a head, then style doesn't really help you or knowing or thinking what looks cool. The idea that you shouldn't worry about substance or an eye for one until later just shows how backwards your thinking is

head drawing is so demotivating compared to drawing every other part of the body

>>4473314
i like drawing i just like shitposting even more
>>4473336
fuck my stuff is already out in front of me. i guess i better chuck my computer out the window or something

>>4473419

>tfw drawing heads it's the only thing i do when i don't know what to draw

>>4473429
>the only thing i do when i don't know what to draw
for me it's those gestural fat vilppu girls

>>4473429
im getting back into drawing again after a long pause, i was never very good at it and its one of my life long goals to learn how to draw the human body, complete with hands and faces to a certain level of skill, these are copied from an anatomy book

>>4473436
any tip besides killing myself or drawing till my hand falls off?

>>4473436
>>4473438
you need to do a lot more of these, like a lot

>>4473256
You need to really use, and pay attention to reference.

>>4473449
you both do

>>4473436
>>4473438
>its one of my life long goals to learn how to draw the human body
try to think of it as a more short term goal. realistically, with good training you can reach that in like a year tops. if you think of it as a very big life long goal then you will unconsciously let yourself procrastinate and it will drag out way longer than it should.

>any tip besides killing myself or drawing till my hand falls off?
lots of drawing won't help as much as good resources. I spent years just trying random things and never really feeling like I made any real progress and then I started taking the NMA classes (Huston in particular) and my abilities rocketed

>>4473453
>hen I started taking the NMA classes (Huston in particular) and my abilities rocketed
fuck for a moment i though you were serious but you were just a shill well.. ignored.

>>4473457
I'm serious, you can just pirate all of it in the video piracy thread if you want or pirate the Watts courses, I'd imagine those will get you there too. You're just not going to get any where without some formal training (all of which is free thanks to piracy)

Self-taught isn't a good thing, it's an unfortunate thing. People waste tons of time doing weird shit and developing strange habits and 90% of the time they just quit or 10% of the time they finally realize that they need a proper professional artist to teach them how to do it and they have to relearn everything. Most people aren't even holding the pencil correctly. Self-taught will give you these really strange habits that will fuck you up

if you were trying to learn how to play an instrument then would you just strum the strings for hours, maybe occasionally watch some random "learn how to play this song" video on youtube or would you try to get some formal structured training videos? It's the same thing with drawing

Was going to post this in the draw in your style thread, but it died before I could post this. I tried to work with a sketch this time, but probably a turd still. Regardless if anyone's got any ideas how I can improve this one let me know.

>>4473306
I just did another one

>>4473466
>Most people aren't even holding the pencil correctly.
Ahahaha you're one of those people.
Let me guess, you think the overhand grip is the "proper" way to hold it, right?

I have two questions.

How do you keep your erasers sharp and without the pencil gunk? I tried eroding one with a nail file and the resulting texture was really unpleasant.

And the other - I'm doing this thing where I scan an unfinished pic, print it, and then finish off the copy because I'm too much of a pussy to do it to the original and I can maintain a "save state" this way. Let's say I draw a character in nude so I can draw clothes on them afterwards - my question is, how do I best print the nude character so I can still delete the printed lines and edit the clothes in?

>>4473483
overhand feels nice, but it's too limiting if you want to do any kind of digital. Putting the pencil between your middle and pointer finger is better. It feels strange enough that you don't do those weird little micro movements with your wrist that you unconsciously do if you're drawing with a normal tripod grip. You still get those gestural sweeping arm movement lines of overhand but you can still use a normal tablet if you wanted to and you can do finer details

>>4473466
I know a self taught guitarist and he is insane. I didn't realize how good he was till I was around more guitar players. food for thought, self taught artist develop strange habits but you are paying to learn some other guy's strange habit in school

Am i getting a hang at gesture drawing or am I still fucking up? Most of these are 5 mins which I think the one with the 2 and the middle one is 2 mins.

>>4473506
those aren't gesture drawings

>>4473385
yup! and thank u so much :)

>>4473466
Some of my favorite artists are admittedly self taught. They never touched a book.

>>4473507
Define gesture drawing.

>>4473507
They aren't? I can't really call them figure drawings

>>4473502
for every savant there's going to be thousands of self-taught people who never really get any where. I would agree that schools are terrible though, you should only learn from teachers who draw well enough that you wish you could draw like them. maybe it's cynical, but I just don't believe that 99% of people have it in them to be self-taught savants. It's way faster and more reliable to just learn from a handful of teachers that draw in a way that you really appreciate using pirated online videos or books. You'll pick up their habits and their styles, but their habits got them to the point they are at. Once you've put in tons and tons of time and you're really at that very advanced level then you can worry about differentiating yourself from other artists. It's all just going to be variations anyway. A good unique style is just going to be a mix and mash of the techniques of several artists. Doesn't have to be, and probably shouldn't be, something completely unique unless you want to do abstract work

>>4473512
just look it up lol, its implying the action and form of a figure with simple strokes. There are like 50 strokes in every single figure and no sense of action.

>>4473515
no you wouldn't call them figure drawings either. They are scribble drawings

>>4471550
Are these appealing? How would you suggest making them more appealing?

>>4473524
define scribble drawing

>>4473524
Ah, I see. You're just another fool that regurgitates words he heard somewhere else.

>>4471550
i don't know whats going on with my heads, their both meant to be native americans, i didn't use a reference but i do use loomis circles.
stuff like the hair doesn't matter to me atm, I'd just like some feedback on how im fucking up faces so badly.

>>4473541
if you are so great and know what you are doing why are you posting here?

>>4473539
what you drew

>>4473564
i'm not the guy who drew that
please define it like it's an entry in a dictionary

>>4473570
lol so you spend your time defending bad art, sad haha

Is doing coomer art really that bad of a thing?
Also, how draw buildings?

>>4473572
i'm not defending his art i'm just not sure exactly what you mean by "scribble drawing"
i am merely one who pursues knowledge

>>4473585
scribble drawing is just drawing a bunch of lines to define a single contour and is a symptom of not being confident in your lines

>>4471828
Looks like a big buff dude. Keep going, this is bretty good.

>>4473209
I popped something else out with critique in mind

Thoughts? Improvements, coom and art wise?

>>4473507
Here we go

>>4473530
No.
Study art that you find appealig and do what they do.

>>4473591
give her some pubic hair, maybe a little armpit hair, and give her some of those breath clouds that people put in for the lewd factor.

>>4473506
You're wayy too focused on outlines. Gesture is focused only on the action of the limbs, and really not their shape. Start with using simpler, open contours using fewer, bolder lines (not petting, single strokes).

Close the contours up once you're trying to show the solidness of the form, not to try and replicate the outlines of the reference.

>>4473591
Cute!

/beg/ is quickly turning into /coom/, there really should be a separate general for coom based nudity/intercourse drawings

>>4473563
I can't tell if this is a troll or if you are serious. You post this drawing with the nose on the left like that and you are telling me that it's the best you can do and you don't see anything wrong with it? How about the amount of space between the eyes, space between the nude and mouth, the face that her eyebrows are 4 lines. Every line is dark, is the same thickness and is not smooth at all. I am not trying to just insult you but these are very obvious problems and I question whether this was really you at your best. Try again. Use a reference. Fix what you can before you upload it.

>>4473563
Have you ever tried looking at real people?

>>4473597
A man of taste I see, although pit hair's a bit niche
>>4473603
Thanks! Is it sexy though? ຈل͜ຈ

Eyeballs

>>4473563
Eyes too small among many, many other things.

>>4473618
You might benefit a lot from using proper graphite pencils because they don't shine and a black colored pencil will get you good dark blacks. And then the next step would be something to make white highlights.

>>4473623
I have the toolkit to take the dark darkers, but this was more of an exercise on construction that I lightly touched up.

>>4473449
>>4473452
Jesus christ, better? Now pyw.

>>4473591
anatomy is garbage arms have different lenghts,half assed fingers broken leg,detached leg, spaghetti ribcage, arm is attached incorrectly,half assed knee,the dick looks like a toon bone, bellybutton too low and many things more.but i think the average coomer wont care so up to you if you improve

Keep it real do you Copy and invert your eyes when you're drawing a face head on?

>>4473606
i noticed the nose after uploading it, I'm just genuinely that bad at drawing, I've been trying for ages but i can never get it right
>>4473610
>>4473620
i did a follow up, pic related

>>4473639
>arms have different lengths
Bothers me a little bit now that you mention it, but still not a huge deal.
>half assed fingers
no one cares
>broken leg
no one cares
>detached leg
no one cares
>spaghetti ribcage
no one cares
>arm is attached incorrectly
no one cares
>half assed knee
no one cares
>the dick looks like a toon bone
Yeah it would be better if the head of the dick was actually fleshed out
>bellybutton too low
no one cares
>and many more things
And truly, no one cares!

Criticism should focus on the points that actually make an image look better or worse, literally no one in the world gives a shit if you can rattle off autistic points about what's "wrong" with the anatomy or perspective unless they actually impact the quality of the image.

>>4473647
read keys to drawing.

>>4473647
Take a step back.
Breathe.
Get a photograph of a real human face.
Try to copy it.
After you're done, overlay your drawing over the reference on your computer and see where you went wrong.
Repeat this process multiple times until you can copy photographs at least somewhat accurately.
You need to learn how to copy before you start drawing from imagination.

Started yesterday. Did some anime faces before my Loomis exercises. Is there a trick to drawing straight lines and symmetrical circles? Or does that come with time?

>>4473659
your at that phase huh

>>4473659
>things i don't like bad!
lol

>>4473659
Literally coping and you don't even know it

>>4473681
I absolutely was not going to do the plaid
To anyone using procreate, what size and pixel density to you do?

>>4473663
when i do this i get told I'm symbol drawing though and that i should break down the face into basic shapes, with the pics posted being ones i form from orbs i layout the features upon and build from there, it's like an unending loop of being told to do the opposite of whatever method i use, i think I'm not seeing correctly

Trying to push my figures to a more finished look so I've started watching some Karl gnass lectures.
I can follow along fine as far as I can tell, but when I try to apply that by analyzing reference it turns to shit.
Do I just have to get more familiar with anatomy so that I really know what I'm looking for?
Maybe I'm a retard and I'm just choosing the least defined ref's I can find...

>>4473452
c'mon man, don't be such a surly cunt it's way better than what the OP posted.
He's just working with the same weird proportions for the legs.

>>4473485
>How do you keep your erasers sharp and without the pencil gunk?
I dunno about sharp but just rub them off on a clean piece of paper?

>>4473691
yea you aren't following instructions properly, if you are symbol drawing from looking at reference then you really aren't studying the reference. Try breaking the reference down to basic shapes and draw those. It might even be beneficial for you to draw the references upside down to get out of drawing symbols

>>4473696
it wasn't better, sorry to burst your bubble

>>4473691
Yeah, You don't break out of symbol drawing with orbs/construction. You do it by learning how to see properly. Dodson keys to drawing, work through the whole book , post the projects or self-crit and quit the pity party.

>>4473598
I'm glad somebody at least gave me some feedback.Thank you, I appreciate that.
I did feel like I was still contour drawing. I'll see about going back to doing 1 min drawing sessions, I think with the more time, I'm focusing more on trying to get the entire figure rather than capturing the gesture.

>>4473702
>You don't break out of symbol drawing with orbs/construction.
>cant even into 3D thinking

LMAO

>>4473702
>mistaking construction for symbol drawing

>>4473702
I'm not self pitying, i admit my work is trash and I'm trying to improvr it.
i would argue your second point though, when i build from orbs I'm trying to visualise where the features would sit in a 3D space, I'd say that you can't exactly state that is a symptom of symbol drawing, it's me trying to break out of it

>>4473705
If they can’t do 2D abstraction first, how can they study a subject using 3D abstraction?

I only know the basics and I haven't read through the books much.. but I would like to Improve on my doodles.

any tips on how to avoid making this pose?

I want to see If i could work on gesture or is that too early?

>>4473721
draw one of her legs going sideways and now her pose is different

>>4473721
just draw nigger, if you feel yourself going for that pose just stop yourself, because:
>any pose you do will look bad starting out
>that pose doesn't even look good so i wouldn't stick to it

>>4473691
Ok let me break the loop for you.
You are at level 0 right now. The method you use or how you think about drawing is irrelevant. You need to use whatever method it takes to get better results on the paper.
Here's an easy method: tracing. Trace over some photos, lines only, no fancy shading or anything. Trace over enough of it that you get something decent looking. Do that a couple times, now try to make one of those drawings without tracing. Do what I said before where you overlay your drawing onto the reference and see where you went wrong. Repeat all these steps as many times as you need to, doing traced drawings and also non-traced copies, until you get a better idea for what a completed drawing should look like.
You do not need to worry about construction or symbol drawing or anything else right now. You just need to learn how to copy what you see. This is step 1.

>>4473728
thats pretty based

>>4473676
I'm not even the guy who drew it.

>>4473674
I don't like autistic critiques that don't actually help anyone, that's correct.

>>4473736
>pointing out things wrong with pic doesn't help anyone

>>4473736
>I'm not even the guy who drew it.

>>4473741
You're missing the point.
If something doesn't actually impact the quality of the overall image then it's not actually "wrong".

holy shit he's really doubling down

>>4473730
i do copy quite a lot of things from life drawing,
would pic related be symbol drawing ?
it was practice i did without forming basic construction shapes using a jar in my room.
I'll stop posting pics after this one, i don't want to hog up the thread.

>>4473758
People are going to yell at me for this but right now you aren't even at the stage where you should be thinking of concepts like symbol drawing, construction, etc.
You need to learn how to see what's in front of you as a series of lines, and you need to learn how to copy those lines. That's it. That's your goal. Clear your mind of everything else.
Copying simple line art instead of photographs or real objects might help. Copy some cartoons or anime or something, anything simple where the lines are clearly defined.

>>4473768
okay, I'll go print off some pics i like over the next week and do some tracing + self crit on where i think I'm going wrong, thank you for the continued feedback anon

>>4473768
>You need to learn how to see what's in front of you as a series of lines, and you need to learn how to copy those lines. That's it. That's your goal

this is what crabbing looks like, gatekeeping the begs from gains

i finally courage it

>>4473776
Not crabbing at all. If you don't understand how to break down any image as a series of lines and shapes then I don't see how you're going to get anywhere. That's step 1. Step 2 can bring in more concepts like construction.

>>4473668
post your anime.

>>4473776
He's right though?

>>4473782
i thought construction was the breakdown of complex forms into basic shapes though ?

>>4471550
hello everyone i am new

my take to the chain. I only vaguely know what I'm doing , it's procrastination not correction

>>4473791
There's blocking out (pic related), a technique for copying. And then there's construction, which is just a visual aid for thinking in 3d.

>>4473791
Construction is when you build drawings out of simple volumes like cubes, spheres, and cylinders.
You can also look at a reference and construct your copy of the reference out of those simple volumes. Like a "reconstruction".

lines and flat shapes => way of copy
surface and structure => way of creation
this is how I see it

feels touch now

>>4473782
>Not crabbing at all. If you don't understand how to break down any image as a series of lines and shapes then I don't see how you're going to get anywhere
so you want him to be acopymachine? and then what, what is he gonna do when it comes to create his own stuff yeah he's going to need to learn construction were copying is almost useless since what you need there is memorizing landmarks and forms and know how to place them. just wasted time for the sake of copying

>>4473815
Construction is pointless when he can't see/copy. Learning to copy well doesn't take more than a few weeks anyway.

>>4473815
lol you need to have some sense of being a copy machine but the point is you don't stop there

its literally impossible to """"feel""""/think in forms

>>4473815
Holy fuck.
Do you not understand the concepts of doing things in steps.
Do you not understand that if you learn one thing now you can still learn other things later.
If my nigger is drawing like >>4473647 then he does not need to worry about construction right now.
He needs to learn how to fucking see things as 2D images first.
Why is this so controversial or difficult to understand. Why do you people lack any concept of nuance at all. Why.

>>4473141
Get back to the grind, bro

>>4473825
>Why do you people lack any concept of nuance at all. Why
That happens when clueless people that don't even draw come to this board to give advice.

>>4473701
nut up or shut up faggot

>>4473818
i dont know what you are thinkig about construction it's not some dark magic shit, if he can draw a box thats way more than enough.

If you learn to see not side of cylinder but series of lines, what you'll do when you need to to turn it a bit.?

so I'm a completely inexperienced artist who draws worst than an elementary school kid, and I was wondering how I can start improving my skills. I currently can't even draw characters without getting stuck on how to get started.

>>4473839
take 6 gorillion of photos of every angle LOL checkmate fundiefags

>>4473839
>If you learn to see not side of cylinder
This is a fucking meme by talentchads. Humans can't see forms, or even understand them.

>>4473841
if you want to actually get good you will need to pick a fuck ton of books and do a fuckton more of practice, if you are just bore because the lockdown pick anything else drawing something that doesnt look like trash not even average takes a lot of work.

>>4473838
>>4473825
>>4473815
construction and drawing what you see are so early in development that it really doesn't matter which you learn first and its entirely possible to learn at the same time but you need both going forward

>>4473839
YOU CAN SEE IT AS A SERIES OF LINES NOW AND SEE IT AS A CYLINDER LATER YOU FUCKING MONGOLOID

>>4473856
>just waste your time first

>>4473855
totally wrong if you learn how to construc first copying is useless it wont add anything other than... be a copymachine.

>>4471550
What physical actions should I be taking while drawing? I'm using the recommended books but I still feel like I'm just fucking around

>>4473861
you kind of need copying to understand reference. Copying is knowing to apply construction to what you are seeing. If its all just construction to you, then you are just adding two definitions or things into one thing

Can thread return to broken lollies instead of academic discussions.

copyfags should post their work and non copy fags the same, then we can see who's right

>>4473878
What's the opposite of copying?

>>4473878
whats this either or shit, its both bitch

>>4473878
This isn't about being a "copyfag" or not, it's about giving someone a very basic and simple framework for taking a reference and drawing it.
Does the upside down Stravinsky exercise turn people into "copyfags" too? I'm basically just telling him to do that.

>>4473530
>>4473595
Any better?

>>4473892
Nothing changed?

>>4473874
i think you don't know what copying is or just baiting for (You)`s, is literally a duplicate of something, you learn nothing valuable to help you to create things later on, like a math problem you just got final solution without knowing the procces. that's what you are encouraging, if you keep insisting with the idea that copy will help you you are just delusional
>waste weeks copying so anon doesn't mistake doing a line larger than the other

Holy fuck why is diminuation so fucking diffucult

>>4473892
One eye was too big and crooked.

Ma datory coronavirus painting

I'm having a lot of trouble with faces, especially eyes/nose. Many artists I enjoy have a semi-realism art style with larger eyes or smaller noses (defined by highlight, rather than the linework). Any advice for capturing that style?

>>4473937
>Many artists I enjoy have a semi-realism art
>with larger eyes or smaller noses

>>4473930
hard to read, maybe make far wall darker or something. and what this ball

>>4473942
Sorry, should clarify. Outside of facial proportions their bodies and backgrounds tend to be drawn and colored more realistically than typical anime. I guess it's like the in-betweens of realism and anime, leaning more towards real?

>>4473945
but your problem was the faces isn't just use deconstruction then

>>4473953
That's fair. Thank you!

>>4473942

>>4473964

>>4473898
you are dumb, literally every teacher says to copy at somepoint

Constructing the figure from imagination, feel kinda weird about the perspective of the upper torso.

>>4473612
And something just for fun

Scenario: you hire a less than enthusiastic hooker to play out your furry fantasies

What's a reasonable amount of time doing a copy of this image should take?
I'm going slow since I want to be accurate, but at my pace it will take me three hours.

>>4474020
in your pic the lower body is in a front view and the upp in a view from below also is she resting her feet on something anyway my redline is how it would look more or less from a view front below if we follow that angle

>>4473696
>I dunno about sharp but just rub them off on a clean piece of paper?
Isn't that the same effect as filing them down?
What about the other question?

>>4474054
Can someone please tell me how to shade without it looking like dog shit smeared on a page?
I try crosshatching, but it always comes out mushy.
Is there a book I should study?

>>4474316
Please rotate your images and also, do you think you'll get a ton out of copying some furry image? I think this image in particular, while really pretty, isn't really three dimensional looking beyond the weird hair ornament. I'm not expert, but I think the image is good because of the rendering, not necessarily the drawing, I dunno though.
If you're going to try and copy an image, maybe you should use more guidelines. I wish I could give you better advice, but I am a baddy.

>>4473636
>>4473800
>>4473449
Thanks, looks better
I didnt use a reference tho

How do i keep from drawing mongoloid skulls? I can't ever seem to get the proportions right, especially the eyes.

>>4474561
Avoid drawing straight lines as much as reasonably possible. Since you consistently draw small eyes, focus on exaggerating the eyes in an anime fashion, even if it feels "wrong" at first.

>>4474566
Thanks bro. I'll keep it in mind

>>4472665
getting some KC Green anime club vibes from here

next thread

>>4474759
>>4474759
>>4474759
>>4474759
>>4474759

>>4473485
>how do I best print the nude character so I can still delete the printed lines and edit the clothes in?
The best option would be to use a light table, but I think you could print the under drawing with a color, then remove it digitally. Or paint it white.

>>4473618
How did you find such good references?