/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4468242
I like posting to /alt/ but are these threads worth posting to?

>>4468303
no

>>4468306
well anyway here is my work

>>4468303
yes

>>4468316
nvm this is hot post more

>>4468316
Good art sir

>>4468330
Arms look way too small for the rest of the body.
I appreciate that you were going for a weird lumpy look around the midriff but something about it still looks off.

>>4468343
fair well cheers for feedback, i deleted the savefile so ill just have to apply this advice to my next piece

>>4468328
Thanks, I consider myself pretty talented.

>>4468316
Hello, I'm not quite sure if you're joking or not but please don't post my drawing and claim it as your own creation.

I'm trying to follow a redline someone did for me in the previous thread with a few changes, but I don't think I am doing a very good job at it so far.. Especially with her right side. I also feel I am making the hips a bit worse..

>>4468379
so advanced

>>4468379
How are you so talented

>>4468330
too fat

>>4468406
inkorrekt

>>4468242
>>Copy anime references
but how exactly?

>>4468242
Who is this stupid pink haired tennis playing bitch and why do I keep seeing her and her cow titties everywhere? What’s her appeal? What game is she from?

>>4468379
Post brush. Also about hips, I would go with something like this.

>>4468303
not at all, not even memeing

>>4468379
There's always some retard here that posts some random korean artist's artwork as if they did it. And impressionable beginners always fall for it.

>>4468379
Such skill and incredibly talented.

>>4468643
What, is that Jahy stolen from a random Korean artist?

>>4468653
No, obviously not. That one guy also shamelessly posted my work with a dumbass question before.

>>4468659
What was your other work if you don’t mind me requesting?

>>4468643
>>4468659
I'm not sure if you're confusing me for someone else or not but if you aren't, you are trying to create drama when it doesn't exist and I think it's best if you stop.

>>4468630
It looks decent change the mouth anon.

>>4468242
what is this?
I initially thought it was just the part of the body which was catching the most light, but then i realized it wrapped around to where it was darker

>>4468911
part of the dress that keeps the chest area up while kind of looking like it's not there, called a transparent neckline, common in wedding dresses.

>>4468902
Thanks, do you have any ideas/ example of mouth you think would look better? I probably won't change it just so I can move on to something else but I'm curious what you think.

>>4468911
How do you manage to be so retarded?

>>4468516
this guy is talented!

>>4469032
if you drew as much as him instead of shitposting you'd be "talented" as well lmao.

>>4469081
pyw

>>4469081
It’s only “talent” to these kinds of retards, when all they do is complain and shitpost, lmao.

>>4469016
I like the idea of the mouth it just needs some slight tweaking like it need to be more smug. It might also better colored black.

>>4469021
I'm not a woman so I don't wear dresses?

might go back in and try to render this out more. Always struggle with finding the right balance between how far I want to render something

>>4469032
>Try to do pen only
>Stil sketching as if it were using a graphite pencil
>Everything is a massive mess far from those "thousand of wrong lines"
This is not gonna deter me as that would beat the point of the exercise. But its damn frustrating

>>4469657
Do dynamic sketching exercises, they help increase draftsmanship A LOT.

Lines, circles, ellipses, curves... even grandpa vilppu recommends doing them for flowy, gestural and confident lines.

If you haven't done yet, go through dynamic sketching with Peter Han while also sketching anime on the side, I guarantee you'll see major improvements.

WIP

>>4469997
subu san ohaiyou

>>4469997
Is that a bodysuit or is she just nude under there

>>4470002
Ahahah, why yes it is a bodysuit because....
I'm a pervert.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDTR2nSd7Zc

>>4468351
i will physically spread ass for you to post the final of this jsyk. this is a galaxybrain concept. full coomer but still.
also though, something about your lines is very appealing to me... good work!

books are for faggots

>>4469081
>>4469090
pyw

>>4470013
just can't imagine spending my time caring about this shit

>>4470134
I can

>>4468554
Sorry for taking a while to respond to you, here are my brush settings. For linework I use 4.0 as the size as you can see. I use Paint Tool SAI 2

About the redline, my intent was to have her lean over with her arms up. So her butt at the back would be raised with her torso angled a certain way.

>>4468528
USS Bremerton from Azur Lane in her skin

>>4470346

>>4470131
Already posted it on the other thread.

And just to make it clear, I'm not saying the guy sucks or isn't talented, he might as well be, but focusing on this is ignoring all of the hard work he put into getting better, which is basically crab mentality.

Work hard, you'll get better as well.

>>4470363
diligence and work ethics is a kind of a talent if you really think about it, not everyone is good at those.

>>4470365
If you really think about it they're also a kind of skill

finished this study from previous thread

>>4470473
the right arm is too short and both feets have a the angles kinda off, the feet that is pointing up is too flat and the other one has the boots plataforms angles all weird also the lef hand looks like it shouldnt be at that angle in full front view for that arm pose like is forcefully twisting his hand against the natural pose of the rest of the arm

>>4470473
Typical copyfag

I feel bad and embarassed for using requests from drawthread as practice. I really should draw more. Just started using a pen tab and I don't know anything about working with digital tools.

>>4470614
jokes on you fag, I'm one of the biggest vilppu/fundies shill here, and I post a lot of my og works here like pic related.
but people here think that if you study fundies you can't do any copies from artists you like.
The recommended thing is to do both
I posted my work, now let me see yours

>>4470653
how long does it take for you to be this good? Also how to lineart/paint so it doesn't look like hazy sketch like this? >>4470649
If you have good tutorial for digital tools (I'm using csp) please recommend me. Thanks

>>4470653

>>4470672
>too pussy to post a finished work so just le ebin doodle to get away with criticism

not him but you are a coward

>>4470662
I don't do lineart because hate it. I paint over the sketch and then refine the lines in a new layer,
you can see in this study the process without having the lines refined >>4470473

study fundies, copy works from artists you like and apply what you have learned in your original works. If I were you I would start with a figure drawing like Vilppu course and perspective lessons

I'm using csp too and I didn't do well using a pen, but I really liked sketching using a watercolor brush with low opacity
I try to simulate the process of this guy here
https://youtu.be/xu_LENRSw5s?t=2828

>>4470681
No

>>4470726
>got caught but too stupid to form a good response so will double down with retardation

lol this is the kind of larpers with whom you argue on a daily basis here.I will never be a pyw fag but trully that shows if a person is full of shit or not

>>4470672
>>4470726
copy more anime

>>4470782
No

>>4469997
Update, damn guns are hard to render, gonna post finished stuff later.

>>4470764
You know, you aren't helping your case when you talk shit without pyw.

>>4470718
>He runs his mouth harping fundamentals
>Too pussy to even do lineart
Please stop.

>>4470835
Coolio

>>4470854
so you are defending him? assuming you aren't him lol, i guess you will be pleased with this then

>>4470835
kyoot but your faces are a bit flat. good expression but I think you could work on constructing them a bit better

>>4470902
>got caught but too stupid to form a good response so will double down with retardation

>>4470880
yeah, the guy in this video really lacks fundies because he doesn't do lineart
or the old masters, they were also ngm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZuFSQuoT2Y
also, post your work for me to take you seriously
if it's good I will unironically listen to what you have to say and try to apply it to my work

>>4470909
so you agree with my stament,well i was always right.

>>4470916

>>4470919
Your statement just proved that copyfags will always lose to fundiechads, kek.

>>4470902
is that the girl that annoys senpai from that mango

>>4470925

>>4468303
no

>>4470925
Bro how is it after all these years you're getting worse and worse? Do you legitimately have brain damage to learn from your mistakes?

>>4470925
alright, I'm listening

>>4470925

>>4470925
you are not mikufag, mikufag never post anything remotely lewd let alone porn he's a static ipKEK

>>4470925
Prost!

>>4468242
I give up, sorry guys :(

>>4471048
huh?

>>4471048
It's alright, you can always look at our art in awe.

>>4470925
Are you this bad or do you do it on purpose to gross people out?

>>4470925
based

>>4471053
GMI

>>4470902
>>4470927
it is now

>>4470926
Fundie-copy chads will always win while you're both battling against each other.

>>4470925
I couldn't draw something this gross even if I tried really hard, guess you're talented in a way lmao.

>>4471111
draw the fucking finger pointing at the viewer bitch

>>4471138
sorry I don't speak crab, would you mind rephrasing that like less of a ngmi?

>>4471155
Anon....you made it worse.

>>4471155
Here’s some criticism for you, copyfag.
Copy more anime.

>>4471159
>>4471165

>>4471165
don't steal my pictures you fucking NIGGER

I found this video
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6gG8md9H4g
Is this correct?

>>4470925
bruh.

>>4471193
so learning to break down the body into simple shapes for construction. By drawing over human anatomy.
So THIS is how you trick idiots into learning! You title a video "how to draw without [insert beginner's biggest fears]" and give them a watered down version that skips all the boring and superficially complicated stuff that they fear oh so much.

>>4471165
>>4471187
this kind of situation is what anons making threads coping with their shit behavior like >>4470451 cause.

>>4471165
Jannu is a good girl, please don't shitpost with her

>>4471208
I honestly can't draw shapes like this guy

>>4471243
This looks really nice!

>>4471243
my favourite from the thread, it reminds me of the manga plus sized elf. I thought her butt needed a correction tho

>>4471288
you also need to correct the thing shes lifting it's in a complete different angle from her hold and make large the forearms too also fixing the abdomen, is not a vertical line

>>4470925
I’m not sure what’s more offensive, the fact that you somehow regressed during the 6 years you’ve been posting here or that you still don’t know how to make your lolis appealing.

>>4471243
Blog?

>>4470925
Needs Loomis

>>4471250
thanks

>>4471294
i get what you saying but i take that from a ref, i will try to fix the arms too.

>>4471300
https://twitter.com/RonmeruArt

>>4470907
Thanks for letting me know. Could you give a redline or a paintover showing me how I could make these faces better?

>>4471314
needs to bring Loomis back to life

has anyone backwards engineer'd this style of rendering? there is only one recording of yoshinari drawing and he doesnt really go into his painting procress, just does a basic values pass. or if there's artists with similar looks that have tutorials out there that would be a great help.

>>4471447
It's just same traditional process. He has Frazetta's artbooks if you don't know. It' looks like this because he use Painter. Painter brush can do shit that CSP and PS can't. But you forced to use Painter.

>>4471447
>>4471467
What are we looking at here that seems like it would need special software or methodology to implement?

>>4471499
Blending. Google sinix brush video. Try to make it in ps or clip studio. You will need two brushes for this in studio

>>4471499
it feels like the artist started with a gradient underneath everything and shaded from there

>>4468242

>>4471505
Which video specifically? First one I found is where he says:

"I'm going to try and prove that you can achieve anything you want using the lamest photoshop round opacity brush"

>>4471542
Sinix is fag so you need to watch his old video where he use painter. Or just download painter and experience it yourself.

>>4471447
To me it just looks like a combination of a watery, flat/blocky painting brush with watercolor edge and a blending brush with texture. I believe you would have a much better time trying to emulate this on SAI rather than CSP or PS.

>>4470718
thanks!

>>4471288
skindentation is important, but you've gone too far

>>4471447
3 layer masks

Any other fundies-copy fag here?

I started coloring recently, fuck it if I get the wrong colors I'll color anyway!

>>4471886
thats not how boobs work on the right

>>4471908
I knew someone would comment on it lmao, there's a bra like the one on the left pulling the breasts up. it just wasn't drawn, it's an incomplete sketch after all.

>>4470925
Incredibly based

How'd you guys pull off the transition from ink/lead to digital?

>>4472184
practice

is the discord /beg/ friendly? I really wanna get into this, I've been practising for a while now and I've kinda stagnated. It'd be nice to talk to fellow artnons too and hear about their progress. Idk if I could contribute much because I'm a dumb beg desu but thought I'd ask.

>>4472406
>discord

>>4470653
Who did you study under for fundies?

>>4472406
Everyone in the discord are beginners

>>4472477
I remember when I stayed in the discord for a while, there were some retards that never drew anything and just spilled the most generic of crits to everyone like "the perspective is wrong", "lmao look at this anatomy" like the retard above, it was extremely obnoxious so I left, can't imagine that being in that place would do anyone any good to be honest.

>>4470835
>>4471338
I did a few of the faces. Your main problem is they are very flat and not symmetrical, for example the eyes are different shapes. Building a better construction would help with this.

>>4472683
Eyes are too close completely removing the cutesy look it used to have.

>>4472686
I am merely demonstrating how laying a constructive base can help give the face more depth and symmetry. How the artist stylizes the facial features is his or her choice.

>>4472689
The faces were just fine. You've even put a sidemouth for fuck sakes at least the original tried to conform to the plane of the face.

>>4472692
The artist asked me for a redline based on my criticism and I did just that. Are you this obnoxious in real life?

You know what, I'm sorry I am so tired of arguing with retards I take it back.

>>4472683
Do you usually not draw anime? Because those are pretty bad.

>>4472699
No, forget it there's no point let these retards keep spinning the wheel.

>>4472699
>>4472697
pyw

>>4472704

>>4472699
>>4472702
Normally I understand that people are capable of recognizing that something is bad even if they're as bad or worse than the artist they're criticizing, so you don't need to pyw just to criticize someone. But you're obviously just here to start shit. So, pyw.

>>4472711
You really aren't as good as you think you are mikufag. Try drawing something that you haven't drawn a thousand times already before you start talking shit.

>>4472718
We're not trying to start shit, this is a critique board where you will receive feedback regardless if you're doing a redline or not. Stop being so defensive.

>>4472726
Post your work so I can critique it, it's a critique board after all. :^)

>>4472711

>>4472732
you are so assmad dude lol

>>4472726
First of all that anon isn't me, second of all you didn't really give feedback as much as just say its bad so, there's really nothing to be defensive about

>>4472732
It's been posted twice already and nobody seems to be able to give a critique other than the usual shit flinging.

>>4472738
>When back into a corner post anime reaction.

>>4472749
That's just some random trying to stir up shit they're not the original poster.

>>4472683
Funny thing, the sketches looked great (much better than the redline btw), but when you painted it it's like you sucked all of the soul out of it lol.

Your drawing skills are much greater than your painting skills.

>>4472738
Why are you afraid to post your work for critique on a critique board?

>>4472746
I acknowledge that your Mikus are technically fine for what they are but they're boring and ugly and you can only draw one thing, you are the definition of stuck in your comfort zone, ironic since you harp on fundies so much which are supposed to give you more freedom to construct different things from imagination.

>>4472752
Do you retards understand, I'm not trying to be BETTER than the original artist, this isn't a fucking competition... he literally ASKED for a redline and then everyone takes it as a personal attack because I'm trying to help another anon. you are all insecure.

>>4472762
I wasn't attacking you, just noted that your redline didn't add anything to the sketches, you didn't solve any of his problems, it wasn't a good crit.

Don't take it personally, sometimes we make mistakes, I'm not here to put anyone down.

>>4472762
>>4472767
You see, point in case he is on the defensive again and now he's complaining that WE are the attackers. Its all so tiring.

>>4472762
do you not realize it's probably the original artist that's shitting on you? Probably asked you out of his own insecurity to do a redline.

>>4472767
This is the most useless, catty, passive aggressive thing I have ever read. You must be a woman or a frustrated teenage boy.

>>4472771
No problem, people are stressed right now and I think it's hard to dissociate your work from yourself, even moreso when you're just trying to help.

>>4472788
You can’t redline for shit. How’s that, retard?

>>4472792
Still yet to
a) hear an actual criticism that isn't subjective
b) pyw

>>4470925
>>4472746
the upper arm is weirdly smaller than the forearm
half of the inside of the thigh is a straight line, you took the trouble to worry about the adductor but deliberately ignored the sartorius and vastus medialis
patella tendon looks disproportionate with the rest of the legs

>>4472805
Thank you it's been years since there's been some feedback.

>>4472811
You need serious mental help.

>>4472811
I don't know if I'm being meme'd but don't get me wrong I'm the same anon you replied
the first time you posted about lineart,
I didn't say anything before because I wasn't sure if you were the real miku anon or not, and I unironically liked your linework

>>4472449
>Figure drawing
Vilppu drawing manual
Vilppu renaissance figure drawing

>Anatomy
Anatomy for Sculptors
Hampton
Vilppu anatomy videos
Proko
Scott Eaton anatomy course
MangaMaterial

>Perspective
Marshal Vandruff lessons
Erik Olson course
Framed perspective

The only one I finished completely was Vilppu,
the rest I am still in the middle of the courses.
I started Olson and Scott Eaton just 2 days ago, but I heard good things about them
If you are a poorfag like me, you can find all this material in the video course thread

>>4472391
upd

>>4473269
Please study some figure drawing, this drawing is completely wrong on all levels, I can't find a single good thing about it.

I recommend either Vilppu or Steve Huston, that or just copy anime.

>>4473426
Tell him what's wrong

>>4473426
Holy shit you're bad at giving constructive criticism

>>4473426
Name a single thing that's bad about it then

>>4473451
>parentheses knees
>horrible linework
>what the fuck are those toes?
>HUMONGOUS pelvis
>disgusting hands, also not in proportion, compare them to her face for example
>boobs hang by a line but are being squashed into her torso (?)
>clavicules not going into base of the deltoids
>inconsistent lighting

But the biggest offender, it looks horrible. I'd bet even if you traced anime it wouldn't look good. Why are bad anons drawing from imagination instead of studying? Wasn't the purpose of this thread to copy anime and thus get mileage?

Try tracing some good anime you like and post it here anon.

>>4473467
No one said it looked amazing, but this post is much better at helping that guy learn than just saying "looks like shit".

>>4470925
Partial red-line.

>>4473426
Post your work.

>>4473480
My point is that if you're that bad, then most probably not even your copies are going to look good, and if you can't even copy right, how do you hope that your drawing from imagination will get anything right?

Drawing is serious business, nobody would tell a beginner musician to make his own musics without knowing any theory, you start off playing scales and easy songs that other people made.

>>4473480
Don't pay attention to him I man this shit is the best thing he can draw and he think he is qualified to give advice lol.

>>4473497
For example, studying from doujins.

Is it amazing? Nah, but I'm studying and trying to help.

>>4473508
Also

>>4473508
loomis

Any advice on motion lines?
What are some resources I should check?

>>4473508
I like it but I also feel like you don't flip your drawings enough because the right side of her head looks larger than the left.

>>4473493
Roastie fuck off.

>>4473529
That is something I need to keep in mind, I even binded flip canvas horizontal and vertical to F1 and F2, but I sometimes forget to use them, also give my drawings some time and finish them a day later or something, because when you look at it days later you always find errors you couldn't before.

>>4472683
KEK

>>4472762
>I'm not trying to be BETTER than the original artist
because you can't

>>4473501
How do you know that that's the same guy who drew that.

>>4473580
He's bullshitting and falseflagging, the original artist is >>4473508 >>4473510

>>4473580
He's arrogant and can't draw chins for shit.

left orig

tried get a similar brush for sketching purposes so really didn’t aim for accuracy. the one I ended with is pretty comfy but unfortunately is bad with light colors.

>>4473584
Could have used a harder brush here and there for definition, considering the small range of values.

>>4473584
nice job anon, keep it up! the copy doesn't need to be exactly the same,

as a tip... everytime you get to make a copy, try setting a goal.

what do you want to learn from this? maybe even write your goal. then at the end see if you could achieve your goal.

for example, "I want to learn to use colors like this!", then you copy, study the colors, maybe try applying those colors to another quick sketch. see what I'm saying?

copying by itself is a great way to get mileage, but if you copy with an intent you'll get much more from it, in my opinion.

>>4473611
thanks for the advice anon
usually I don't copy much, just this time I did it to compare brushes. but it's been pretty fun so I'll keep your advice in mind for future studies.

>>4473269
idk why people are seething hard with you
but I will give some suggestions if you want to continue this drawing

>neck
the neck is misaligned with the torso, you can see that because the chin is not in the same line with the pit of the neck. Also,
the neck doesn't narrow at the top
and actually in the profile view it's wider in top than it's in bottom. If you tried to represent the trapezius, it comes from behind the neck so it not influences the diameter.
I saw that you tried to do the sternocleidomastoid, this is a muscle that comes from behind the ears and must be connected to the collarbones in the pit of the neck

>torso
the clavicle starts at the pit of the neck and connects at the scapula, where one third of the length of them connect to the deltoid and trapezius
there is practically no space separating the ribcage and the pelvis, you can see this because the butt starts right after the ribs, without having the external oblique between them
the arms are very small compared to the rest of the body
the deltoid has 3 sections but you would only see 2 in the front view, it is invading the pectoralis in the chest and that would only happen on the arm

>legs
the thigh is too long compared to the lower leg
the knees are rounder inside due to tendons and bone structure and straight outside
the feet are small
the ankle bone is high inside than outside, the opposite for the calf


I recommend looking for a figure drawing course to learn basic proportions and landmarks, so you don't make mistakes like the ribcage so close to the pelvis, you can find some on the course thread as I said two post above

>>4473622
copying has a bad fame, but it's great for learning, the masters always had a tradition of doing master studies for a reason.

also in music for example, nobody would say that there's no merit in playing songs made by your inspirations, it makes no sense, but if you're copying, copying with intent is always better than without it :D

keep it up!

>>4473501
REEE stop posting my fucking mommy gf

>>4473568
pyw
>>4473573
you have to be either 12 years old or braindead

>>4472683
>>4472762
no matter how hard you try to hide youself, redmatso, your shitty art and attitude will pop off everytime, you should quit.

>>4473745
I'm just trying to help the fucking guy who asked for my help, and I get personally attacked, what did I do wrong here

>>4473752
You had good intentions but your help made it look worse, so people are gonna crab ya

I did a study. Also my imagination works are nowhere this level and I have no idea how to make them just as good. I would really appreciate some tips on that.

>>4474164
whats with the hatching, are you stressed

>>4474164
smaller version

>>4474164
Stop copying anime and start drawing from imagination, it's that simple. While you're at it stop chicken scratching and most importantly stop signing your shit you'll thank me later.

>>4474166
i was just trying to study the shapes and the form but i got way too carried away with the shading

>>4474171
Mikufag...

>>4474171
oh shit oh shit i just automatically sign everything i make

>>4474171
I know you are the same guy who's been shitting up the thread relentlessly trying to stir shit up, please just fuck off.

>>4474171
>don't sign your shit so i can steal it and repost it as mine

>>4474164
I have the same problem. I can copy from eye really well but whenever i try from imagination it looks like ass.

>>4474171
sign all your work, how bout fuck u

>>4473508
go back to fundies instead of drawing animu shit holy fuck

>>4468242
does anyone know of any resources similar to this? https://kotaku.com/capcoms-human-anatomical-reference-for-artists-1793983290

looking for simplified anatomy reference images like the ones in this link

>>4474164
same way you improve at anything. practice it in total, and isolate the parts giving you trouble for individual practice. if you find yourself fudging ears with random semi-circles, then do studies of ears from different angles, then try just the ear from memory.
of course, ears are a minor detail unless you're a complete deviant, but it applies to the big picture stuff too, like abstracting everything down to basic geometric shapes to work on proportions and poses/perspective.

Reminder that digital art is 90% custom brushes
If you use default tools you'll look boring, generic and soulless

>>4473644
thanks for the detailed criticism
could you elaborate more these
>the knees are rounder inside due to tendons and bone structure and straight outside
>the ankle bone is high inside than outside, the opposite for the calf
im not sure i understand what you meant

>>4472683
I appreciate your attempt to help out. Other than some slight eye shapes being a bit assymetrical, I think I'll leave this one alone

>>4473499
Thats off the point retard, if you make a claim that x looks bad you need to explain why it looks bad

>>4468242
I feel like a retard because I don't get how to into art studies beyond following guidebooks.

>>4474576
CUTE!

>>4474693
In that case everything about the drawing sucked, its easier to just tell the guy what to do instead of trying to fix that pile of shit focusing on each and every mistake, throw that pile of garbage in the thrash and go do studies.

Again, if he's that bad, he won't be able to fix things even if you pinpoint them for him, retard.

>>4474463
whats the process you use for copying? and for drawing from imagination? try using the same construction process and you'll have an easier time.

also if you don't have a pose in mind, it's not cheating to look for references in pinterest or stuff, just find some rl photographs with poses you like, draw them in your style and change what you want to make it yours.

this isn't 100% from imagination but trust me, I'd wager not even 1% of the art you like is. this process is also advocated by good artists like canking and there are some books about studying anime from rl photographs, all you got to do is stylize the head and you get anime, basically.

so drawing anime basically sums up to knowing good figure drawing, draftsmanship and copying the stylization of artists you like until you develop your own.

>>4475167
>just find some irl photographs
This is fine for a one-off painting but how is this process sustainable for comics or animation?

>>4475167
>I'd wager not even 1% of the art you like is
>all you got to do is stylize the head and you get anime, basically.
the cope, jesus

>>4475167
When i copy i don't construct i just look really close at how they drew and i do the same thing. I kinda just try and look at the picture as if it's just a bunch of lines, then i draw those lines and it looks the same.

>>4475182
Construction is just shorthand for thinking about the form when you draw. If you mindlessly copy and don't know what the line represents, then you will only be able to reproduce the same image fro memory. If you don't think about the form (or any other relevant aspect you're trying to learn) you will not be able to apply what you learned from copying in another situation, like a different angle or pose.

>>4475188
This, Vilppu for example teachers a process for deconstructing images that you draw, so you see how easily he does it from imagination. The same process used for drawing from a photograph is used.

>>4475170
>>4475181
read what I wrote again "IF YOU DON'T HAVE A POSE IN MIND'. If you do know exactly what you want, knowing construction methods should get you pretty far without a reference.

>>4475170
animators photograph themselves all the time for keyframes or hard poses lmao

>>Don’t copy recklessly. Use construction, color theory, and other fundamental concepts to rehearse a drawing process that you can later easily manipulate for original artwork.
>rehearse a drawing process that you can later easily manipulate for original artwork.
>rehearse a drawing process that you can later easily manipulate for original artwork.
>rehearse a drawing process that you can later easily manipulate for original artwork.
>rehearse a drawing process that you can later easily manipulate for original artwork.

>>4475213
/asg/

>>4475213
you ok man?

As a /beg/fag should I even try to polish my turds or focus more on quick practice? Sketches like these take me up to an hour and they're often mediocre or worse.

>>4475438
If something like that takes you one hour, than yes.

>>4475438
>sticker eyes

>>4474576
loomis

>>4474576
Cute indeed and very nice lines, but I think you messed up your eye line somewhere along the way.

>>4475458
Not him but how would you fix it?

>>4468480
Gross

>>4468330
this isn't anime
this is disgusting
the right side of her belly near the ball shouldn't have a highlight.

>>4475498
>Not him but how would you fix it?
by learning your fundies

>>4475530
Why don't you use your fundies to redline it?

>>4475530
snibbety snab

>>4475545
>>4475549
>can't put ball in box, too hard, please redline 4me.

no point in redlining it wont fix his core problem , he can't understand what he's doing he's just guessing or poorly constructing, the fact that he didn't even bother to put the iris,pupil in perspective is the biggest give away.

>but muh redline

>>4475530
>>4475599
based
>>4475545
>>4475549
ngmi

>>4475599

That is unironically a good eye tutorial.

What if I don't learn fundies AND I don't copy anime

>>4475628
then you're based

>>4475628
Based stickmanpilled anon.

>>4475599
>he's just guessing or poorly constructing
Yeah it's both. My fundies are weak because I rushed through them thinking I could improve as I went along.
Time start grinding perspective instead of putting it off.

>>4475599
funny though, I understand your points about the eyes, but I've seen plenty flat eyes in anime that just kinda works, like how mouths are drawn in side profile without a clear connection to the other side.

what's your opinion about these kinds of stylizations?

>>4475628
gmi

HOLY SHIT BASED INK ANON.

I started drawing directly with ink and I never drew so many horrible drawings in my life, it's kinda liberating, at the same time I can feel myself improving and I'm drawing a lot.

This and studying single parts of finished pieces (in digital) will surely make me get better, I'll post my progress in a month or so.

>>4475712
example of a 3min sketch

>>4475735
I suggest a good pencil

>>4471243

>>4475811
great job

>>4475811
>>4475735
loomis

>>4475811
Looks much better anon, nice! Hopefully one day I'll reach your level. Any tips drawing (kinda) wavy hairs like that?

>>4475811
Holy shit it looks sexy now

Interesting videos from people who made a living as animator in anime industry. Specifically for how to use CSP.

Desuran/Keisuke Kojima (animator, director, storyboarder, debuted at gainax after graduating high school and now belong to Revoroot):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKbp7v96LAI

Gosso / Shota Goshozono (young freelance animator, recent work: FGO Babylonia)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_xxRUZbvt4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms6BjeNW2Ls

Gifuto studio (related to Kinema Citrus and often assisted their shows, one of veteran animator that I know is Satoshi Mori) :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8zdUTNPGmU

You could download the materials they use for CSP here:
http://giftanima.net/?page_id=782

This one is foreign webgen animator from Germany, fundamental to use the software (CSP) and Q&A session:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUO3wrCnOFk

Hopefully this helps

>>4475894
oh shit, wrong thread. Meant to post in animation thread. Sorry.

>>4475898
The fuck? We are the anime study general anyways.

>>4471886
Aside from blonde hair not actually being yellow, don't use HSV and move the value/brightness slider down for darker colors. Darker yellows end up being just mud/puke looking. You got the skin looking pretty good which is usually hard.

It depends on the color cast of the scene/background and usually ends up with the blonde being much more desaturated and the shadows end up being slightly more saturated greens or the blonde is more yellow-red/orange like a #E2B772 for example. Look at anime swatches or copic marker swatches for a better idea.

I selected the hair and did a color balance towards magenta and red (+23 red, -61 green) for the part on the left. I find it hard to work with lemon yellows in digital unless my color palette is picked out completely before I start or I color adjust to get there towards the end/touching up.

>>4474550
The ankle bone is not parallel to the foot, it is angled. The inside is higher compared to the outside. I don't know how to explain it better, it's literally pic related


The knee is rounded inside because it is a place where some tendons end, like the sartorius. The vastus medialis also rounds the inside, but it is slightly above the knee

Check this video, I know Proko's fame because of that kangaroo from imagination, but his anatomy videos are good
https://youtu.be/BnTuNJp6-8E?t=373

I need tips for different hair styles

>>4476036
watch anime

>>4476036
Be specific. Its like asking for tips for different body types. It's too broad of a topic.

>>4475920
wow thanks, I actually had no idea what to do with the hair so I just picked what seemed right for me, yellow for the hair and then diagonally down for the shadows.

Next time I'll try color picking and analyzing the colors of the original.

>>4476036
loomis

>>4468242

>>4476252

>>4475712
>>4475735
genuinely happy for you anon
ganbatte

>>4476252
jeanne is cutie

Whats the plug to download an artist's pixiv gallery again?

>>4476252
hampton

>>4475811
Ink it!

>>4475735

>>4476252
Draw bigger, or try a smaller, harder brush. You're gonna struggle doing studies with that.

>>4476510
>he's starting to believe

>>4476438
>he dosnt directly paint over sketches

>>4476510
small shape/line suggestions. not sure what age but you gave her plump legs and so i made her a little more petite/younger.

i draw a lot with pen too, sometimes you're better off not even bothering to try restating a line. it just turns into a gob of ink and is uglier than leaving it alone. or make sure to draw very, very, lightly.

>>4476653
forgot to say, the arms look a bit flat because there's no overlap. try not to ever do this, you need some type of form going over another form to give the illusion of depth. small T lines can help show that. so change up angles/poses a bit to give the drawing more life.

>finally find appealing proportions
>can't replicate
aaaaa fuck aaaaa

>>4476653
>>4476657
thanks! nice tip about the overlaps, I'll keep it in mind.

>>4476699
Just trace it.

>>4476372
>>4476117
>>4475848
Can you retards explain what's wrong with the sketches so they can learn and focus their future studies on improving the part they are dooing poorly on instead of just saying the name of your favorite fundies role model?

>>4476930
vilppu

>>4475894
Thanks for this. Keep posting anime stuff

>>4476930
Copy more anime

>>4476252
>>4475735
>>4475438
dodson

>>4475949
ok i got it now, thanks

>>4476930
Ignore it, it's just one lone retard wasting his time.

I started tracking the time I spend with drawing on an app. Hope to gather some important info with it. I think I draw much lrss than what I think in a week.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhG7DENh-uk

Excellent video about learning how to learn to draw.

What to avoid:

>No distractions
>No working for hours without breaks
>No multitasking

What to do:

>Deconstruct
>Recall
>Self Critique
>Quality Sleep
>Spaced Repetition

>>4478103
So where's the scientific part

>>4470653
yo, I wanna thank you, vilppu shill. I started going through drawing manual + the video course today, and it's quite fun. it's my first figure drawing course

I'm still making refinements to my method but now I think I got something that works well.

>find a picture to learn from
>draw it in pencil focusing on the construction, using vilppu's method or purely geometrical forms in 3d space
>copy it 1:1 directly with ink
>draw it from memory directly with ink

It takes about 10-15min for these 3 drawings, but I think I'm learning much more with this than just purely copying. Also some constructions in 3d form were pretty confusing at first, like pic related.

>>4478343
you better be stidyng anatomy along side or these limbs are gonna end looking like sausages

>>4478353
I don't think you understand the purpose of this. It's not meant to be a faithful representation, it's just meant to show you the direction of the forms in space.

The right legs is a bit wrong though.

>>4478343
Not only is the leg a bit wrong, the pelvis is too turned, it's not like there's a 90º angle between the pelvis and the torso, it's more like 45º or so.

>>4478360
you don't need a faithful representation of every muscle to represent the forms but drawing boxes and tubes can't be detrimental if you are beg, you want to show the direction yet a tube can barely show any direction if anything is there just to show the form and as for the rest i think they are way to simple to learn nything meaningful about directions

>>4478372
*can be detrimental*

>>4478372
???????????????

Is the best way to practice copying/drawing from observation, without construction, just to do it a lot? I feel like I'm extremely slow at it, and it takes intense concentration for me to accurately measure and put the lines down. I tend to get impatient when trying to practice this way and it's draining.

>>4478442
Just doing it a lot will help you no matter what. Being slow is fine, you get faster over tine. Id say do construction until you start feeling drained, then just do pure observation.

>>4478450
Oh, I meant with construction is easier for me, but pure observation is what takes more energy.

But I guess your advice still applies and I'll do it the other way around. Thanks.

>>4478457
Do both for combined gains, then do it from memory, you'll see that your mind seeks knowledge from the construction and from the copy when you do it from memory.

>>4478457
Also, to know if you're getting better, see if you're mentally exhausting, every training session should leave you really tired, this means your brain is really processing information.

>>4478478
mentally exhausted*

>>4478393
was my engrish that bad i just learned english from memes

>>4478476
>>4478478
>to know if you're getting better, see if you're mentally exhausting
oh, that makes sense. I'll try to think of it that way. thanks again

I wish I was this good bros

>>4478561

Ive been using Hampton to construct real people, so im trying to use him for anime (ref is Range Murata.) Still going over the book and trying to memorize the muscles and their placement.
Are messy images like this fine?

>>4478606
looks fine, keep it up anon!

>>4478606
>Are messy images like this fine?
you could just looked up at the thread an see if there were images like yours being shat on and they aren't why did you even ask that dumb question are you scared to ask more directly about your work so you come up with that passive shit?

>>4478621
I asked because I mainly see half completed or finished lineart when I check the thread, not pure construction. I didnt mean fine as in “good”, I meant fine as in “is it fine to post incomplete/messy art for critique.”
Calm down.

>>4478606
>>4478633
newfag here but from what I have seen you'll have to finish your work if you want a critique since yours is still wip.

>>4478633
He's the autist that's constantly trying to argue with people here, don't listen to him. I don't get why some autists on 4chan like so much to waste their times.

>>4478633
why don't you the asked that if unfinished works were acceptable ,then again look at the thread there are a lot of b/w half assed works posted with no drama other than fix the chicken scratch, you know you didn't mean that by "messy' you faggot

Beginning my asg journey

>>4478715
nice

>>4478715
they don't look like anime enough that and the beg tier anatomy,clothing,hair and stylization

>>4478749
>>4478691
>>4478621
when will this autism end

>>4478740
>>4478749
>they don't look like anime enough
Thanks. I compared my sketches to some better art and It does seem to lack that wildstyle element.

Hampton vs Vilppu which is the best?

Did something from imagination and of course it looks like trash. How do I even start learning anatomy?

New thread bois
>>4478945

>>4478653
Thanks, ill stick to posting those then.

>>4478942
hampton

>>4476252
People always say "copy what you like", but sometimes it helps to pick things you can learn better from.