/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4464332
wanna buy my huion kamvas pro 20?

>>4464358
good tablet, pen sucks

source: ive spent the past week bitching about my pen

>>4464366
yeah i want a refund

>>4464371
i contacted them and they took forever, but seem to be getting a pen replacement

pw507s are also for sale on amazon

>>4464332
no because most reviews are piad. Just go to amazon and read random reviews

>>4464358
I was gonna buy it because of this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCG9-HtGRrc

In the end, after seeing countless anons saying it trash, I'm starting to believe most of the reviews are done by paid shills, and if they keep using their products is because they get free replacements every months.

>>4464332
Why don't we have a Tablet & Equipment general to contain all discussion about art equipment and gear?

>>4464406
I prefer my intuos medium 100x more than I do my huion. Might not be a problem with huion at all, could just be that I don't like drawing on a screen.
I tried using my huion as a screenless tablet, enabling stylus tracking onto my computers monitor and thought it drew fine honestly...

>>4464406
That's a yikes from me Mikey. Unsubscribed.

>>4464332
im happy with xppen artist 15.6, fits my budget, quality is good

wait the xppen 15 is the same price as the xppen 22
would wouldnt i just get the 21.5 inch one

Imagine still buying chinese garbage because is a couple hundred dollars cheaper, imagine just for a momment being this retarded, instead of saving some more and get something that won't break after a month of use.

>>4464637
It has no buttons and less color

>>4464366
>>4464371
Whats wrong with the pen? This video>>4464406
Just says it wears through nibs fast.

>>4464667
oh ill just get that 15 then i guess

>>4464662
Maybe it wasn’t the tablet itself that breaks in a month, it could be your dumbass self that doesn’t know how to take care of it.

>>4464662
>instead of saving
Imagine saving for a plastic toy
Imagine buying things you can't afford to buy seven of

Let me guess you took a loan for iPad to show off at Starbucks while living with your mom?

>>4464637
>>4464669
The new models are branded PRO.
The older non pro models have battery pens, non laminated screens and are generally not that great.

>>4464840
Nice projection.

>>4464662
This is why poor people stay poor they keep buying disposable crap

«I’m not rich enough to buy cheap things»

Edmond Rotschild.

>it's a good tablet, it's just the PEN that sucks

what the fuck are you guys smoking

just buy fucking Wacom and stop your bitching, god

>>4465103
What's the catch on the wacom loans? it says 0 apr no interest if paid within 12 months...
I could easily buy myself a pro 24 with such a nice loan.

>>4464332
>tablet with zoom capabilities.

>>4465377
the catch is that you have to pay it off within 12 months to not have to pay interest on it

>>4465408
So I can just pay my 1200 econ relief and pay 700 in 12 months?

hell yeeh

>>4464840
Sorry dude but this isn't Razer Mice where you need to buy 8 expensive mice for every month. These aren't Minecraft gold tools.

>>4464406
sounds like every single fucking tablet shill on earth. Unless you are a professional where your company already has tablets or you can afford to buy a couple or get them sent to you, there is no reason to buy a tablet with a screen.

>>4465584
I just don't feel comfy drawing on the tablet anon.

Do any of you broke asshole have a Surface 7? I've been thinking about it.

>>4465755
If you go out a whole lot, don't have a laptop or an Ipad already, then maybe.

it would be better to buy a pro 13 or a wacom one and plug it into your laptop/phone or to just buy an Ipad air with the pencil.

>>4465387
>mom buys him a tablet
>its a madcatz
>pro edition
>no zoom feature
>permanently tilted joystick

So what's the catch with the cintiq 16? why is it so affordable

So what tablet should I move onto in a year with an 800 dollar budget . I have an xp pen 15.6 pro rn and it's pretty decent
Spent 300 flat on it.

>>4465859
more like in couple of months since chink shit melts fast.

I'm glad Wacom finally started paying attention to the budget market they were losing to the chinks, can't wait for them to fuck them up.

>>4464358
>>4464366
>>4464406
Few weeks ago and after about 2 month of wait, I recieved a pen replacement from Huion and yes, the pen that came inside the box of my KAMVAS Pro 22 (2019) was defective.

The preasure sensitivity in the replacement pen is by far superior.
I suggest you adquire a new pen from Huion (or asking for a replacement if you are still on guaranty).

>>4465868
It came with a 1 and a half year warranty so no. I bought this in November.

>>4465856
>cintiq
You don't get the functions like zoom or rotate that the pro series has. Also, no keys. So it's just the screen. Everything else is just the same from what i've heard.

So if you prefer a keyboard and don't mind the touch functions, you should be fine.

>>4465928
kinda weird but I actually use my xbox controller for hotkeys, I can rotate/zoom on krita so I don't see any use to those functions you mentioned...

Guess its only the question of paying 600 more dollars for 4k, which I don't really care about.

>>4465936
Yeah and the laminated screen. Some like it and some don't. So it depends on you.

>>4465874
from the wacom one reviews i've seen, they still recommended the cheaper xp pen or huion.

>>4465944
I guess I can always return it if I dislike it.

>>4465874
Their wacom one looks like shiiiiiiiiit

>>4465915
currently in the middle of that right now, so im glad to hear all works out after that.

>>4464668
mine had issues where it grinds against the inside, causing issues with the sensitivity jumping around (and also felt uncomfortable and shitty to use.)

I managed to bandaid it slightly with some dielectric grease, but eventually it wore away, and I added more and made it barely functional.. so I cleaned it out with alcohol to correct my mistake, and then I ended up with https://twitter.com/itsukarine/status/1244187884883763201 which is basically just a worse version of the issue before i ever did anything, when its fully clean the grinding is like 300% worse.

>>4466582
also if you ever pour rubbing alcohol down the nib hole, make sure to take the grip and buttons off and blow into it and shake it a lot to make sure nothing is left in it/it all dries off before you ever press it to the screen.

I jumped the gun on the second clean and ended up ruining it completely, but honestly just request a new one with support if youre in my situation.

what's the cheapest screen tablet?

I use the xp-pen 22r pro. It's okay but I can't get the rgb colours right and it's 1080p, needs to be 2560x1440.

I don't think any tablets are right besides a cintiq 24 4k.

>>4469972
How's the parallax? Is the xp-pen brand a good buy?
Looking at the 15.6 pro.

Is the 4k really worth it for the 16 pro? or should I go for the normal cintiq 16?

no matter how I see it 4k shouldn't cost me 600 more dollars...

>>4470792
Is not only the 4k but the color space, the 16 has 72% adobe RGB and the 16 pro has 98%

>>4470896
Ehh... I'm still a newbie so I guess I'll just buy a cintiq 16, maybe by the time I get good enough and want a pro version with better color there will be a new model.

>>4470458
You get what you pay for with that chink shit.

More problems than a Wacom and less longevity. So buy shitty but more often or buy a wacom and use it for years.

>>4471089
This is why its so hard to find used chink tablets while there are tons of used wacoms in the market.

>>4464332
This looks like you would regret buying it because it was bulkier than you expected and then you look around the office and realize no one else has it either. And then you’re dying to buy a new one but you don’t have any money, you just go to work feeling like a new employee in front of all these Ipads the Imagineers are sporting.

YOU CANNOT STOP ME.

>>4471470
Enjoy your disposable chinese knockoff

Anyone here have a Wacom One?
Is it a decent beginner display tablet?

>>4471105
Wacom has been THE market for years. China only caught up a couple years ago. Honestly this thread is full of weeaboo racists. Nothing wrong with chinese brands especially when they are 1000 dollars cheaper than overpriced weeaboo shit. I could buy 3 chinese tablets for 1 wacom. Fuck that

Any tablets with a screen/pen that make it feel like you're drawing on paper, but not like sandpaper? Being a phonefag is beginning to destroy my sanity

>>4471876
I just bought a gaomon pd1560 and it feels really good to draw on. I've never used a wacom so I can't compare but it's a lot better than the shitty 60 dollar drawing tablet I was using.

>>4471876
The new Cintiq Pros are great, even the small 13 pro. Gotta get the felt nibs to get the paper feel though, and being felt, they wear down after a month each, so stock up on those and you're golden.

>every single tablet review on jewtube is either sponsored or ''theyre not sponsoring me BUUUUTT they gave it to me for ''''Free'''' and proceed to give softball cons to the product

I don't even know which ones are genuinely good or not

>>4471928
Honestly you're going to get what you pay for. Unless you buy a wacom, then you're going to pay for a $500 sticker.

>>4471932
post your art oh wait you don't even draw oh you do but it's "not your best stuff because it's not recent" oh but I caught you on one of your "off" days ohno that's a shame well guess what buddy

you and your opinion are shit

>>4471937
>wacom defense force seething that I'm not falling for their asiatic tricks

>>4471938
>people pointing out that you're an idiot

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>>4471940
Wacom is overpriced. It's not a fucking opinion. If they were decently priced the chinese shit wouldn't even be a thing. Dumbass

>>4464332
Ipad pros are toptier

>>4471945
Different anon but the Wacom shit has leagues better craftsmanship and functionality over the chink shit. It's why they can price gouge so much, they're objectively one of the best quality drawing tablets.

Am I the only one who prefers small graphics tablets, it seems to reduce my carp tunnel and is quicker to access keyboard shortcuts, talking as someone who draws for 5+ hours a day

>>4471945
My Wacoms are the best money I've ever spent on a non kitchen item. And that's only because they don't make me rice or noodles or eggs. I waited for what felt like lifetimes for someone to come up with Wacom competition. They have, and now we can get Wacoms for cheaper. Buying some wannabe garbage, for hundreds of dollars no doubt, is a dumb move when you could wait a little longer and get into the best brand.

You keep framing this as if it is Mac v PC. It isn't.

FYI I've had one of my Wacoms for almost 10 years. Worth every penny.

>>4464406
Protip: If they got an affiliate link to the products storepage in the description they're a shill. No honest reviewer sets up a link telling their viewers where they can buy the product, not to mention using an affiliate link for it so they can track how many people have clicked it.

>>4471871
and one wacom will last you longer than 6 xp pen/huion

My cintiq 12wx still works and it's 12 years old, fucking dinosaur on tablet years, while chinese ones have the bad reputation of not even reaching their first year, fuck that man, I saved for some months and made some commissions which is kinda similar to take a part time job flipping burguers or whatever and got me that equipment, now i'm saving for the 24 pro and i'm halfway through, just get a tablet you won't replace on decades, the fact old cintiqs are still being sold shows you this things are made to last.

>>4471885
24 looks nice, but the 16 seems a lot more comfy, so I'm aiming for that

>>4472385
there is one of those going for 100 bucks near me. Should I pick that up and save my money for a cintiq pro 24/32 instead of buying a cintiq 16?

Pro 13 or normal 16 bros?

xp pen bros ww@

>>4472757
Here
It's okay I suppose. Having trouble finding an ideal pressure sensitivity. Sadly I didn't have this problem with my wacom intous so I know it's xp pens jankery. Upload a pic of your sensitivity setting

>>4472801
I wonder if she does it on purpose and she is just a closet slut.

>>4472757
Here

>>4472801
mine's is pretty much default

>>4472515
If it's 100 USD go ahead

>>4472801
>>4472866
Xp-Pen pens have some variability I broke one by dropping it on the tip a lot and got another one, it was a lot better.
>First pen
>Has some minimal pressure to even start registering
>Starts at like 600 out of 8000 no ramp up, it's a spike from 0 to 600
>After a year of use and dropping it a lot it eventually got to the point it starts at 3500
I thought it was a driver issue or something but then I ordered a new pen, got it and it was much better
>Still some minimal pressure to start registering
>The minimal value it starts at is like 100 out of 8000
This feels much better.

>>4472529
please help

>>4474800
>>4472529
if you plan to hold the tablet in your lap and stuff, the pro 13 is the lightest you can get and is comfy, if nothing else

>>4472529
>>4474805
all the negative reviews on amazon about the quality of those two sizes worries me desu

>>4475791
You're going to have plenty of negative reviews on anything Wacom due to people buying them that have no fucking clue about how computers work, much less the even-more pain-in-the-ass drivers that pen tablets have. That's how it goes when you've got name brand recognition.

By comparison you'll get people who are poor but can google and need to justify every little expenditure looking at the cheap Huions and whatnot and trying to compare the raw stats when the actual tablets are a decade behind anything that Wacom makes.

Most pain in the ass part about the latest USB-C powered Cintiq Pros that I've found was that you can't use any old C cable on them. Been trying to find another longer cable to use on mine, but only this damn official Wacom cable seems to power it properly.

Are Huion screenless tablets any good? I want a big drawing surface and touch bar but I'm poor.

I can get a used Cintiq 24hd for like $600, is this a good deal? Would getting such an old model be a risk even with Wacom?

>>4477234
You are talking about the ones in ebay? if so, they are legit and pulled them from some animation office that closed IIRC.
Purchase the square-trade warranty and always be on guard to see if the screen starts malfunctioning.
Shit like the edges of the screen having trouble with keeping the pen aligned are early signs that your pen display is about to fucking die, also it turning off by itself, colors getting decalibrated way too quickly, buttons remaining pressed.

Good to see 10-12 year old wacoms still on the market working perfectly fine, really tells you their build quality and how much the new models are expected to last.

>>4477143
>Are Huion screenless tablets any good? I want a big drawing surface and touch bar but I'm poor.
Yes they are.

>>4477143
I got the $60 shit on amazon

hello, do you have any idea waht could be the problem here? im certain that my wacom intuos s tablet produces some little arches and bumps that im certain are not because of my pulse but rather some error on the tablet. I tried reinstalling the drivers but nothing helps, any idea what it could be? is the tablet damaged?

>>4479117
You have pen pressure off you gigantic mongo

How is the Cintiq 16 compared to the kamvas pro?
Kinda weird it doesnt have any buttons

>>4479267
if you are rich buy Huion or XP-pen, if you are on a budget buy Wacom.

Also, the wacom pro pen 2 is miles ahead of anything the chinese make.

>>4480103
>if you are rich buy Huion or XP-pen, if you are on a budget buy Wacom.

?????????????????

>>4480106
Huion's kamvas pro: 450
Wacom cintiq 16: 700
Huion's products average life span: 2-3 years
Wacom's products average: 10-15 years.

Also, reviews never go over how fucking bad the Huion pen is and how good the pro pen 2 is, so in your eyes both display pens look about the same.

>>4480115
Fuck off you shill.
NON-PRO wacom is cut down dogshit.
Intuos non-pro (rebranded bamboo) is a cheap toy literally inferior to any Huion offering, Cintiq NON-PRO are the same toy grade cheap shit intentionally neutred not to cannibalize their PRO lineup.
>shit tier display
>not laminated
>not etched texture glass
>no vesa mounts or adjustable stand

Only a litereal fucking retard would but that because NUH FASHION BRAND.

And BTW Huion shit with a spare pen in case you broke or lost thee first one, like an actual tool.
Non-pro Cintiq has no mounts, doesn't fit standard stands specifically to make uncomfortable and wanted to buy an actual Cintiq later.

Non-pro wacoms are shit tier toys.

>>4480289
having a spare piece of shit pen doesn't suddenly make the pen usable, but you seem like a dumb fucking consumer that thinks the spec numbers are important

>>4480115
I have a Huion Kamvas Pro 22 and I was blown away how good it was. I have no comparison, though. never used another screen tablet. Used a Wacom Intuos Pro 4 before. My main fear was parallax effect. I notice none of it with the Kamvas, which was a great relief. Also no lag and no jittery lines. I was very worried at the time of the purchase and yet: I don't think I'd need anythign else! I'd only get a new tablet if they develop thinner ones. I can not really move it around as I please. It stands on my desk. Theres no way to lean it against my desk and lap as I often did with the non-scree tablet. That's the reason why I still use the Intuos Pro 4 sometimes. To rest my eyes and to sit down, change my posture. I mostly use the screen tablet on a standing desk, althoguh I adjust sitting and standing throughout the session. How I wish for a digital easel sort of thing. Would be prohibitively expensive of course.

>Huion's products average life span: 2-3 years
Double taps X for Strong Doubt.

I bought Xp-pen deco 01 v2 and got a problem with making it work with two monitors.
If both monitors are active then tablet works only on second monitor and ignores the first monitor which was set in PenTablet preferences.
The only solution I have for now is disabling second monitor in Windows settings. Is there any better solution?

>>4481940
that tablet works fine with a second monitor for me

I dug out my old beat up huion tablet from 4 years ago and it still bloody works. All of y'all shitting on huion don't know shit.

Is 32gb on the base iPad enough to use it for full time drawing?

>>4481955
64gb or bigger to be safe anon, iOS itself will take at least 1/3 of the 32gb.

>>4481945
Sure thing Chang

How's drawing on a tablet that displays higher than 1080p? I never even had a 4k monitor. I'm so far behind in tech

I still feel happy with my Cintiq 13HD.
It has almost 2 years. Even tho it was a fucking pain because of the price it was worth it. Maybe in 4-5 years i'll buy a bigger and recent cintiq.

>>4482033
Sharper image, but unless you are a detail nut is just eye candy that onnmy opinion if you arent a professional is not worth invest in

>>4481940
I dunno try disconnecting them and then connecting in a different order.

I never had this issue.

>>4482033
>How's drawing on a tablet that displays higher than 1080p?

Like drawing a better car. IT"S THEE FUCKING SAME and doesn't get you through the traffic faster, but you feel cooler about it.

The only things the tools matter for are your personal comfort.

>>4482340
I installed Clip Studio Paint and plugged it into front panel slot instead of USB hub and it somehow solved the problem.

>>4482348
Well shit perhaps GIMP is such a broken piece of shit it even shills for Wacom or I dunno.

If you were crazy enough to touch GIMP you definitely should try Krita. Krita is actually fucking good.
I hope they will just absorb the embarrassment GIMP project. it's so fucking bad it gives the rest of FOSS a bad look and makes people support Apple in protest.

>>4482343
Terrible comparison

>>4464332
>got a huion screen
>the fucking cursor is always offset from the pen position by a few milliliters no matter what I do
I'm still overjoyed from finally having a tablet screen, but this shit is frustrating.

>>4480289
Non-pro Wacoms are miles better than any Huion or XP-pen.

>>4465584
I don't know, man. I got a huion screen tablet to help with my bad RSI/nerve damage shit, and I can draw way longer, way more comfortably, get more in the zone when I do, and therefore produce better work.

It's still just a longtime hobby for me, but for 300 bucks, it's another display for gaming and also a legitimate art tool that should last years. It's fine. It's no cintiq, but I don't need that kind of quality, and also don't want to suck wacom's dick anymore.

>>4482826
thinking about getting a wacom after reading the problems people are having with xp pen+huion.
wacom one is $400 but the screen isn't laminated, no hot keys, and its brightness+color match is dull compared to the pro models.
intuos pro is $350 with touch+hot keys but i already have a smaller intuos and want to branch towards display tablets.
there just doesn't seem to be a good solid $300-400 range drawing display tablet.

>>4486296
Save a bit more and buy a cintiq 16 or submit to chink dick.

what about ipads?
ive got an kamvas 13 already but its not portable enough.

>>4486339
used ipad air 3

>>4486339
>>4486344
also don't forget paper like protector, drawing on glass is fucking aids.

>want to buy a 24 inch display
>it costs more than my car

What the shit? How do people justify this?

>>4486513
>he can't afford the 32 inches model

Patethic

>>4486513
Same way you don't buy a $2400 guitar if you're just starting off.

>>4486658
why not? As long as you know you arent going to give up guitar in the next week there is literally no arguement against this. If i make more money than you i get to buy nicer things than you.

>>4486717
Then you can justify a Cintiq Pro if that's your policy on buying shit.

>>4471885
pencil dicks right here

>>4486658
>but cheap 300 buck guitar+amp setup I got recommeded
>it sounds like borderline shit and can't play funky music without it sounding distorted as fuck.

guess you just made me want to buy a cintiq pro so I dont have to experience that hurdle again.

>>4486813
Don't buy shit, but also don't buy top of the line. Diminishing returns as you get more expensive. Goes for most things.

A $400 guitar is A LOT better than a $70 one.

Don't buy a Cintiq Pro if you're just starting (unless money is no object). Buy the Cintiq 16. Very adequate device, and will be usable from beginner to pro.

>>4486840
been thinking about just getting an Ipad and learn with that, then if I want to get a professional equipment I'll have something for when I'm home and something for when I'm outside or I want to doodle from my couch.

>>4486531
that is a comfy set up. does he just duplicate his displays though? why? for color accuracy?

Right now I'm split between XP-Pen Artist22E ($450) and Huion Kamvas Pro 20 2019 ($600).

I'm leaning to the Huion because the screen is laminated and from what I've seen it has a faster response time so it doesn't create those "check marks" as easily, but its also $150 more and the screen is a bit smaller. Is it worth the trade-off? What do you guys think?

>>4486945
why not a cintiq 16 at that point? Chinese stuff is only worth the price around the 300 price range.

>>4486947
I do like having the bigger display. Amazon is listing the Cintiq 16" at $650 which is more than both of those. I'm not sure what specs it has better than the other 2. And from what I'm seeing it doesn't have the side buttons or laminated screen. I'll have to look more into it if it's worth it.

>>4486978
trust me, the pro pen 2 is miles ahead of whatever huion and xp-pen has. Not even the most die hard Huion fans will tell you otherwise, once you go with it you will never be able to hold other pens.

Also, parallax is not that much of a problem, its really small and only visible if you are looking at the screen from the sides for some reason.

>>4486945
22E is an old model with all the old problems.
>non laminateed
>no tilt
>battery pen

You should be choosing between Artist 22R (R not E) and Kamvas Pro 22.
Afaik Kamvas is featuring chemically etched glass while Artist has a plastic protector. BUT Xp-Pen have better fit and finish, drivers and cool rotating dials.

But either choice is a good one. Just don't get the old models.

>>4486993
>trust me
Don't trust him. He's a shill faggot desperately rationalizing his purchase
>NOOOOOOOO THE HARD WORKING CHINESE CAN"T OFFEER A BETTER PRODUCT AT LOWEER PRIC THAN THE GREEDY PATENT HOGGING JEWS WHO HELD THE MONOPOLY FOR DECADES

Fuck Wacom, they are a dead fucking company, too bad they're not dead soon enough. For decades they were charging exorbitant prices for an Intuos tablet which is just one fucking printed board in a plastic case and the pen is literally one coil with a button, but since theey held the patent, pay 500$ for the medium or fuck off.

Finally their greedy fucking corporation that desperately depends on stellar profit margins is getting murdered by Huion, Xp-Pen and Apple.
How fucked are they?
So fucked they released a medium sized Intuos non-pro and Cintiq ONE trying to UNDERCUT the chinks in low end. But they don't deserve even that.

Why doesn't Cintiq 16 have laminated screen or buttons? ON PURPOSE, it's to make you uncomfortable so you'd wish you had a real cintiq, it's a paid trial version, it's designed to leeave you unsatisfied.
Meanwhile even the Artist Pro 13 has full set of features, it's the best tablet Xp-Pen could made sold at the lowest possible price, these people are really fighting to earn good reputation.

>>4486978
>I do like having the bigger display.
Some reviewers claim that 20" is the optimal size BTW. It's not too small, and not too big, doesn't strain your shoulder and the pixel density is fine.

>>4487024
Do people actually use the buttons on the tablet itself?

>>4486717
You must be borderline underage to question why not

>>4487034
>Do people actually use the buttons on the tablet itself?

When you have a large sized pen monitor where the fuck do you put the keyboard?
Also the rotating dial is extremely handy for photoshop., changing your brush size with hotkeys on the wrong side of the keyboard is just fucked up and wrong, a dial makes PS fantastic.

Huion have touch bars instead and while they work and they are helpful they just aren't as nice as a real rotating dial.

>>4487024
Huion gives you laminated screen and buttons.
Wacom gives you pro pen 2.
Simple as.

I'm just saying pro pen 2 is miles better than the huion pen. But you had to go on a tangent about non arguments talking about greediness and shit, I wasn't into digital art until recently, I don't know about Wacom's history and I don't give a single fuck.

If I'm comparing two products I compare the products and not the companies.

>>4487054
I am the Xp-Pen boy and I have their latest pen, you know what? I couldn't ask for more. I don't think the pens get much better than this, the pressure curve is fucking fantastic and linear as hell.

Instead of talking shit check these brushstrokes.
Do they look like i'm struggling with pressure?
Stab off BTW, pure black color, one brushstroke.

>>4487054
>>4487089
The pens is called PA1 and it has the new different pen nibs.
AFAIK the Huion are still using the old ugly nibs while Xp-Pen have the new thin and sexy ones.

And this new pressure sensor feels distinctly different from their or Huion's older models. They used to use the same nibs and the same pressure sensors as Huion and Ugee, but their latest newer pens are entirely their design.

>>4487115
>>4487089
Sorry, wrong of me to lump Huion and XP-pen's pens in the same category, I'll be honest never tried it before, only one I've tried was the Huion H640P for couple of days before returning it to a friend, I just didn't enjoy how the pen felt a single bit.

Can't argue against the XP-pen pen tho, what you showed looks good.

Huion giving free goodies for a simple 5 star review.

>I can't afford wacom so I shill the knockoffs, the thread

>take 600 you going to spend on chink sjit
>get wacom loan for pro 16
>only have to pay 600 in 12 months, 50 a month.

yay got 4k display.

>>4487292
wacom is a meme, aaron rutten.

>>4487089
Do you have any experience with their Deco line?
>Wacom Intuos Pro Medium has 8.7"x5.8" work area with touch for $379.
>Deco Pro Medium has 11"x6" work area for $112.
Very tempted to pull the trigger for a Deco Pro but Youtube reviews mention a problem with the Decos losing pen pressure when you open certain applications in Windows.

>>4487329
>it's a meme because I can't afford it

I guess all professionals use wacom because is just a great meme, right?
Cope more

>>4464332
I just loaded Photoshop into my Surface Book 2 to give the tablet mode a workout. So far it's working out okay, but I haven't played with Adobe for the past 3 years so I have a lot to relearn. It felt a little warm but I haven't really tried tablet mode for it yet. Either way, still have a lot to learn.

Huion's Kamvas 13 (2020) looks really promising from reviews I've seen. Maybe wait for their updated versions of larger models

>>4486924
because drawing monitors are a meme, it hurts your neck to look down all day. just get a large or medium Intuos5.

>''xp pen is chink shit''
>XP-Pen is a Japanese company founded in 2005
>''get a wacom instead''
>Wacom Co., Ltd. is a Japanese company headquartered in Japan

what did you all mean by this

>>4487606
>it hurts your neck to look down all day
How did people manage before the invention of the computer screen?

>>4487553
seems like the same shit as last year...

I heard xp pen has fucking screen distortion on pressure, I cant imagine such a design flaw coming from a display pen, can xp penfags confirm? borderline buying a kamvas.

>>4487627
Wacom is the Apple of drawing tablets and its followers are no different from apple fans. The only difference is that unlike Apple, Wacom has had a much bigger monopoly for decades so the amount of blind wacom shills is much bigger.

>>4487767
wake me up when you guys catch up to full 4k resolution and your companies dont have to literally lie about it while handing out merch in exchange of 5 star reviews.

>>4487406
>>4487406
>Do you have any experience with their Deco line?

That's the one I'm actually using and I love it.
There's one quirk about them, the pen has some minimal pressure level you gotta press a bit just to start registering and some Anons don't like it.
I like it a lot though because it allows you to touch and feel your drawing without actually drawing anything, you can put the tip on the tablet very lightly and do a practice stroke.

Also don't drop the pen on the tip.

>>4487757
Ever seen a smartphone? A tablet? And Ipad?
They all have those wavy distortions if you press so hard the glass flexes.

>>4487795
tried pressing really hard on my phone and it didnt create any distortion.

>>4487795
huion and xp pen apologists dont know how old their tech is until they try the 16 pro.

4k is worth every penny.

>>4487767
Which is extra funny considering an iPad + Pencil set-up is cheaper than even the Wacom One.

>>4487822
>4k
>16"
Dude I have 4k on a 32" panel with AdobeRGB coverage, 3000:1 contrast and +-1% backlight uniformity.
Imagine using a tiny little baby dick 16" monitor because you're poor and desperate.

I would consider getting a display tablet, but they would have to include a better display panel than this, and they sure never will.

is the Wacom 22HD good? close friend of mine is selling it to me for 200 bucks.

>>4487866
Thats why the 32 inches pro model exist, you dumb fuck

>>4487866
>Imagine using a tiny little baby dick 16" monitor because you're poor and desperate.
Are we not ALL poor and desperate?

>>4486296
Honestly the cursor being off from the pen isn't that bad, if you ever drew with a tablet that doesn't work as a screen you learn to focus on the cursor position, not on the pen position, so the issue doesn't affect you as much.

>>4488287
>3k dollars.
lo

How is this?
https://www.amazon.com/Wacom-Interactive-Graphics-Certified-Refurbished/dp/B01LX01HHO/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=cintiq+22hd+refurbished&qid=1586731743&s=electronics&sr=1-1

It's relatively old and has 2048 instead of 8192 levels, but from what I've read that's the main disadvantage of this compared to new models.
900$ < 1200$ < 1700$ tho

>>4489236
Pressure levels don't mean shit. 1024 was a plenty already, now it's just a useless marketing number. The screen is probably non laminated though.

I heard that some Cintiq used to ship with an awful but non-removable screen protector that soon wears out and becomes cloudy because Wacom want you to buy a new one and Huion didn't exist yet.

If that's the one you are really better of with a Huion.

>>4487795
Are you from 2006? That shit hasnt existed for while.

>>4482356
I don't think anyone would want to inherit that shitshow.

>>4489318
>hat shit hasnt existed for while.
really?
i just poked my monitor and it made waves.
You you actually press on the smartphone glass so hard it flexes it will make waves too. Unless it's amoled.
Any fucking lcd makes waves when you flex it.

>>4489250
Pressure levels actually do matter to some extent, 1024 is plenty but anything that requieres gentle strokes works mucho better with a higher pressure levels, I used to work on the oldest cintiq ever that has 1024, then moved to the new ones no pro and the difference is just way too noticeable, didnt make my art better but it dos my line work faster since you can get a good line weight at the first try with 8024 instead of doing it 4+ times on a 1024 because the pressure curve on thoose is shit

I currently have a 16 inch XP Pen screen tablet which I find to be too small. Anyone here have experience with bigger tablets? It looks like my only affordable options are Huion Kamvas Pro 20/22. How much better are they?

>>4487757
Just tried it and nope, it does nothing. Maybe if I push hard enough to damage the display, but I'm not doing that shit.

>>4487754
>cheaper
>type-C support for power & data
>4 more programmable buttons
>android support (but who cares about that)

It's better and cheaper at the same time.
Have to note that you have to include the type-c cable when you order from their site if you don't want to try your luck and sandpaper the data cables you have

>>4489904
Goodlord I hate chinese shills

Surface 7 yes or yes bros

>>4489933
>calling them race shills because their competitors are MUH BRAND NAME $$$$$$

>>4489933
>calling them race shills while their competitors are MUH BRAND NAME $$$$$$

>>4489438
Wacom screens don't.

>>4490027
>brand name anything I can't afford

>>4490549
>being a sheep

>>4490549
>being a sheep

>>4487553
>>4487754
>>4489904

Take a look at this.
It seems that the Huion are finally redesigning the insides of their pen and this makes all the fucking difference.
Different nib = different pressure sensor.
Different pressure sensor = completely different feel.

They used to use some Ugee OEM design that wasn't fucking great, and now seem to have finally dsigned theirr own.

Whn Xp-Pen redesigned their pen the result was fucking INCREDIBLE . Seeems that huion followed the trend.

>>4490693
Nice, this could alone sway me away from buying a Wacom, as my only complain about Huion was the pen.

Is this only for their new 2020 screens? or will it work on the 2019 versions?

>>4490870
they have a website where they list the features of their products and you could check it out.

I'm not actually thir sales person to know everything.

>>4481940
can you not set the working area to the other monitor?

I have the xp-pen 15.6 pro. no complaints about it.

So I will regret it later if I buy a Huion right now since the new models will be better and cheaper...

God man I really wanted to buy a screen.

>>4491691
The current models are fine. There's not much they can improve while keeping costs low. 4k is expensive.

>>4491703
new pen is better and it will cost less anon... Don't see any advantage other than getting it sooner...

>>4491691
You can grab the current one and buy a pen later.
Or Xp-Pen have the better pens and single USB-C connection already, as for the price it seems that they sacrificed the chemically etched glass and the touch slider for that.

>>4487606
>>4487652
Easels you ignorant faggots

Have been using a large intuos 3 for awhile (first tablet) on a linux laptop with krita and looking for an upgrade. Am considering getting a newer intuos or making a jump to the screen cintiq 13/16. Ipad/huion/xp don't seem viable unless im mistaken. Thoughts? I'll mull it over for awhile.

>>4492056
Your tablet is already very fucking good.
You might or might not get a better experience with a monitor so If I were you I'd invest into an actual desktop with a powerful CPU, huge ram and a big good monitor.

>>4464332
iPad pro

>>4492056
Show something you’ve drawn and i’ll let you know

any experiences with convertible laptops? i'll buy a new laptop in summer but i'm not sure if i should go for a convertible. or should i rather spend less on a normal laptop and use the saved money for a wacom?

>>4487757
Been using my 15.6pro for months and havent seen distortion at all. I know the retard aaron on YouTube said it has distortion when reviewing it, but he mustve pressed pretty god damn hard on the tablet for it to appear. I'm heavy handed myself and have yet to see that

Should I go for the Wacom pro 24 or a Mobile Studio Pro 16? My current PC is 10 years old, and upgrading would practically be another 1000 dollars so price stays pretty much the same. Leaning 24 pro but I dont even think im good enough to fill a 24 and the MSP 16 looks comfy, though I have head of heat issues.

Just got a Huion Kamvas pro 20, coming this monday.

Now I'm too excited to keep sketching on paper.

>>4494187
Show something you’ve drawn and i’ll let you

>>4494187
know

Is chinkshit really that trash?

>>4497199
Yes

>>4497259
Why

>>4497288
Made in china

Today I will remind you

>>4497199
>>4497259
>>4497288
>>4497310
POGGERS!

>>4471444
That sounds like a personal problem.

What tablet would you get with a budget of 400-800 American Freedom Coupons?

im fucking sick of this shit, is this just my tablet? when i zoom out really far and draw it truly starts to show how jittery the lines are. even when zoomed it its slightly jittery on 0 stabilizers, can anyone test this? I use huion 1060

Buy a Surface. Or refurbed iPad.

i wanna buy a wacom graphics tablet, which version is the best? the newest pro's seems like theres alot of complaints

>>4464443
>>4465584
Are you guys serious? I bought a screenless tablet because they're cheaper, and I don't like it at all. I can't draw a straight line to save my life with this thing. Tablets with a screen ought to be better, right?

>>4498217
Easily Artist Pro 22.

>>4497326
>implying sheep ever remembers things

>>4498758
>I use huion 1060
are you sure that's not an etch-a-sketch?

>>4486906
I use an ipad and also have huion. Probably prefer the ipad because of the portability and I also use it for university so I am used to writing etc on it. Its the only apple product I own but I'd say its worth the money ~350

>>4498758
What computer do you have? Huion doesn't play well with mac, just FYI. If it's mac you're fucked, if it's windows you may have hope.

>>4498217
I'm getting a gamond because even though its probably going to be memed for being china, it has better colors and a fully laminated screen. Also amazon reviews, youtube videos and websites all compare them directly in a positive way

https://www.amazon.com/GAOMON-PD2200-21-5-Lamination-Display-Support/dp/B07ZJKZ49Z

>>4499076
A) you don't need a screen
B) work on you coordination or click a point, hold down shift and click another point. Enjoy your straight lines.

>>4499465
Which one?

>>4464332
Just get an iPad Pro

>>4499554
Ipad its the basic regular ipad (cheapest one they do) sort of wish i had got the pro but i doubt it is worth the extra. huion is the gt 191

>>4499488
They all have good colors and laminated displays.
Xp-Pen have updated pens with fine nibs as well and stable drivers.
Whateverr the fuck Gaomon have - nobody knows, they are completely obscure and have no reputation.

>>4464332
Just ordered a Huion HS611. Gonna feel good as fuck to upgrade from this dinosaur

>>4499389
KEK

>>4499477
windows. might just be the tablet, wonder if its universal?

>>4499709
I use a huion on Windows and I don't have that issue with the drivers. Maybe try uninstalling them and deleting the files left behind afterwards, and then reinstalling?

>was saving up for a new drawing tablet that's portable, have one for PC already
>saved enough for ipad air 3, but I ended up getting stimulus money too
Now I'm tempted to just go for the full pro 12.9. Anyone here actually have it or is it all shitposting. Give me the rundown

>>4499709
>wonder if its universal?
Ofcourse not, if it was universual nobody would be buying them.
If you just got ti it might be fighting with th Windows ink or the drivers fucked up or something, i'm almost certain you have some software issue.

>>4499588
just say you're poor

>>4499715
>>4499742
well fuck, are you sure you tried on 0 stabilizers zoomed out? I've had this problem since day one and reinstalled it multiple times. Guess I'll just have to deal with it.

>>4499721
Yea i remember you.

You could always get the cintiq 16(not the pro one)($650)

Get the stand too.

That or you could save up even more for the pro one, post your work, i wanna see what you can do.

>>4499911
>just have to deal with it.
Contact theeir support or reeddit you retard.

>>4499911
>>4498758
Ok I tried Zooming out to 5% and scribbling on an area roughly 1cm by 1cm with the deefault smoothing disabled.
That actually has some jagged shit. Looks like this actually is the tablet's resolution that is supposed to be 256 lines per inch.

If that's what's happening to you then yeah, you just aren't supposed to do that.

>>4499960
What do you meeean you remember me
>cintiq 16
I have no need for another display tablet for my PC though. I could go for a stand. The xp 15.6 pro came with a terrible 30 degree angle stand and I'm gonna develop a cave person neck looking down often. You can roast my work I guess, yeah i'm a beginner

>>4499960
What do you meeean you remember me
>cintiq 16
I have no need for another display tablet for my PC though. I could go for a stand. The xp 15.6 pro came with a terrible 30 degree angle stand and I'm gonna develop a cave person neck looking down often. You can roast my work I guess, yeah i'm a beginner

>>4500011
get a vesa arm for it.

So what i gather is all tablets are shit in some way. Thanks guys super helpful

>>4499752
Hell yeah I'm poor right now, I was non-essential and have to stay home. But I also hate Wacom, ever since Dell took over the build quality went to shit.

I got the cintiq pro 16, in the mail now. Thank you trump

What about the artist 12 pro

I PLUG MY HUION IN AND MY CURSOR KEEPS DEFAULTING TO THE TOP LEFT OF THE SCREEN WHEN MY PEN ISN'T ON THE PAD. HOW DO I STOP THIS

>>4504087
Administrator privileges on the Huion's app and later, check the main screen on it.

>>4504108
It's running in admin and I even put compatability to windows 7, still defaulting

Alright bros I'm a couple of weeks away from taking the dive and upgrading from the intuous small I've been using for 6 years now to an XP-pen pro 15.6.
Is there anything I should know before I go for it?

>>4504136
Expect a pressurr sensitivity curve that feels a bit worse than the intuos, and the pen to paper feel wont be as good since the screen protector they apply is just some cheap anti glare shit

>>4504200
>pen to paper feel wont be as good since the screen protector they apply is just some cheap anti glare shit
The surface of my intuous is worn so smooth its basically like drawing on glass already, so not too worried about that. I am, however, a little bit worried about what will happen to the screen on the XP-Pen over time. I do on using the everloving shit out of this thing once I get it... will I need to be treating it like a baby to avoid permanently damaging the screen or what?

>>4504213
No you can just draw like normal. I'm heavy handed myself and it's perfectly fine like 5 months in and there are only light marks on the screen protector which are only visible at an angle in light. The tab should come with a year and a half warranty too so you can't be memed with "haha it'll die in a few months and you'll be SOL"

>>4464332
Not having a dedicated eraser going from Intuos to XP Pen 13.3 is a bit of a switch. But the "Pen/Eraser" setting on my pen doesn't work properly. I'm to understand that it cycles back between "B" and "E" hotkeys, but no matter what I change them to, that doesn't seem to change anything. SAI picks the wrong ones, Clip Studio and Gimp don't work at all.

Anyone have the same problem?

My Gaomon monitor is starting to heart my eyes when i draw. Is there away to get rid of the fuzzy dots when I look at it?

I've basically narrowed my choices down to:
>Refurbished Cintiq 22HD, 900$
-older, won't be supported as long
-2048 pressure levels
+has a good stand, can rotate
+I hear good things about durability/longevity
-higher parallax?
>One of the Huion/XP-Pen 22in models
+new
+8192 pressure levels
-heard mixed things about durability/longevity
+cheaper
*like a dozen different models idk they all seem pretty similar

If it makes a difference, I'm more interested in drawing rather than painting, so something that can precisely make the detailed lines one wants is important (hatching, perspective constructions, etc)
I've heard the 1080p resolution at 22' is usually good, but if it makes an important difference I'd consider going for a somewhat smaller/higher pixel density.

>shitty sketch of mine so you can all yell at me about how i don't deserve a screen tablet an am ngmi

>>4504136
Do the community a favor and document your experience/thoughts over the next 3-5 weeks

>>4504653
Will do buddy.

For anyone having an issue with a Huion tablet and for this anon >>4482826

Maybe you have to do a firmware update. Not the driver but the firmware.
I bought a Kamvas Pro 13 when it came out (precommended it actually) and there was an issue with wobbly lines and some parallax on the sides of the screen. It was nothing really annoying for me but Huion released an update to fix that.
I thought it was a driver update so I updated and I didn't understood why I still had the problem. I forgot about that and discovered litterally minutes ago that all I had to do was a firmware update. Huion could have been a little bit more clear about that. But anyways if you have a problem with your tablet, try to download this https://www.huion.com/firmware.html and follow the instructions.
My lines are now way more stable and the parallax effect is greatly reduced. That was a silly situation.

Can anyone recommend me some programmable shortcut bluetooth thingies that i can use along with my ipad?

A keyboard is too big and not that compact to use everywhere so i was thinking of buying a bluetooth gamepad and map it in procreate.


>>4504409
i think the fuzzy dots are actually the pixels right?
Thats the problem with buget monitor tablets. They still don't have a decent amount of pixel density.

I had the same problem with my Huion GT 190 monitor. What i do is basically connect the tablet to the pc but turn off the monitor and use it as a screenless tablet.

Also next time either go for a screenless tablet or an ipad.

What can I get for about $300 AUD?

>>4505139
Huion or Xp-Pen

What's a decent tablet for a beginner? I have a really small wacom bamboo and the small space is really difficult to draw on. Would a monoprice 10x6.25 be alright?

>>4505166
the bigger surface the better

>>4505168
But is that tablet worth getting otherwise? Or should I pay a bit more for a better one

>>4505174
i dont know anything about monoprice but i would rather go with a huion screenless tablet. Huion Giano is the biggest tablet they have i think

>>4498758
Is this sai? because that's a problem with the tablet API.
in sai 2 there's an option between WinTab or Windows API and you'll want to pick Windows.

>>4505139
Xp-Pen Deco Pro probably.
The smallest worthwhile display tablets start at 300USD and those are really fucking small.

>>4505166
Get a huion HS611

>>4499911
Yeah I never use stabilizers and I can draw as zoomed out or in as I want with none of that bullshit. Contact tech support they're actually useful.

>>4505410
I think anon zoomed out to like 3$ and actually hit the tablet resolution.

>>4505389
holy shit the gods have aligned. i turned on the tabletPCapi AND enable windows ink and it gave me the one on the right, both zoomed out at max. its way better

>>4505389
thanks anon, I think you just fixed my problems

Any tablets without all the crap?
Meaning, I don’t have to have 100 wires or connect it to my computer.
I can just pull it out and draw.

Kind of like an iPad pro but without Apple’s shitty OS.

>>4505447
???
Most of the tablets have ONE wire.
Some wireless existed, but I can't really recommend them.

>>4505447
what are you on about retard
Non displays have a single wire, and displays have 2 wires

>>4505447
What kind of shit computer do you have?

>>4505407
Thanks, I'll look into it

>>4498758
Your pen or tablet is a dud. Ask support for help they'll send you a new pen or tablet.

im pissed off because someone is selling a cintiq and we agreed on a price and i want to buy it, and they just started ghosted me for days. Alternatively i can buy it new but who knows when it will be delivered

>>4498956
The newest wacom I'd recommend is the 2015 Intuos Pro M. Make sure you register that shit right out of the box. The second your USB port breaks or your wireless gets fucky, report that shit ASAP.

I'd also recommend getting a screen protector to put over the active area because it is way too rough, and grinds nibs down like sandpaper. This is also great if you're someone who likes to sell off your old tablets after you get a new one, pristine condition active areas allow you to charge a higher price because of the good condition.

>>4505504
They probably died of coronavirus. RIP that guy.

>>4465755
Surface isn't worth it. They're not wacom, they're shitty ntrig tech. Only usable if you don't draw diagonal lines and you don't draw too slow. The build quality is shit and they like to peel apart at the seams even when well taken care of. It's just that the glue the casing together and surface gets hot enough to melt the glue making it come apart.

I've had a cintiq companion 2 for 4-5 years already and just recently the battery fuck off on me and it doesn't work unless I'm plugged into the wall. It says no battery detected, so I'm worried that it'll one day just not turn on. Haven't had any luck finding a replacement battery and Wacom estimated a 300 dollar fix to send in and thought that was a load of bs.

Just recently got a desktop and was looking at reviews and videos of wacom, xp-pen, huion, and gaomon.
Got down to xp-pen r22 ($700) and cintiq 16 ($650). Went with the cintiq for familiarity. Had gift cards so I got it to around $475 so either the upgrade or battery fix.

Haven't gotten it yet still using the companion 2. Wondering if anyone has or has used the 16 and can offer any insight into what I should expect/test out once I receive it.

>>4505509
motherfucker.

>>4505508
Is there one that doesn't waste nibs away like that?

>>4465936
youre not alone i used a switch joycon for hotkeys+keyboard

>>4505535
I think the last Intuos that had a reasonable amount of grit on it was the Intuos 4.

>>4505452
>>4505457
>>4505462
I want a screen I can draw on with an OS that isn’t Apple’s but is just as good as iPad pro.
Basically, I want to be able to wake up, grab the tablet and start drawing without having to get up and turn on my PC and shit.
I can do this with reading.
I just grab my iPad and start up KyBook and start reading right in my bed but I can’t do this with drawing unless I fork over a grand to Apple.

>>4505750
What the kek, that isn’t even the image I uploaded but ok.

>>4505750
Doesn't really exist.
Wacom mobile studio is basically a shitty laptop crammed into a tablet enclosure. IT SUCKS, it's weak, slow, overheats and the battery is shit too. Pretty shitty experience for your money.
Huion have their own and I would expect the same.
Surface - it's tiny, thee pen isn't great and CPU is fucking weak
Samsung tablets - weeeeelllllll it's probably on the okay-ish side, but it's a cellphone toy OS, the best software you get is medibang, eventually Krita but it's not out yet and nobody knows how horrific the performance is going to be.

I really can't imaginee myself using any of the mobile crap. Even if it was flawless i don't want a tiny cellphone screen.

>>4505786
I’d honestly pay about $500 to anyone who can create something like the iPad pro but without Apple’s shit OS.

>>4505810
If someone would create a dedicated device towards art with no strings attached they would still price it quite high.

>>4505810
The closest thing is the latest and greatest Samsung tablet. I thought about getting one, it seems that they are fast, Medibang and some other software does draw, also Wacom sell the more comfortable pen shaped peens for them.

But now really is not the time to spend the money, each paycheck could be the last. That and because I could spend those money on prostitutes.

>>4505750
>I fork over a grand to Apple.
ipad 10.2s are 300 bucks and the apple pen would cost 100 bucks. The screen isn't laminated but yes you can do it for less than 500.

>>4505810
im a pc and wacom guy, but I can tell you without a doubt apple is made for media. If you're not a hobbyist, an apple product can be a great asset and if you have a company you can write it off as a tax deduction whenever you have to buy new apple products

>>4505810
500 bucks isn't much in the big boy world. What are you, 19?

>>4505840
The real problem is dealing with Apple's bullshit. You can't even get your drawings in or out of that thing without some bullshit itunes cancer.

Should I look into kamvas 13 or kamvas pro 13 ?

>>4505852
I’m not an ignorant spender.
Let me guess, you paid $1000 for the new iPhone, right?
>>4505851
This is 4chan. You expect people here to be business owners and not just aspiring coom artists?
>>4505840
I already have an iPad and I tried the Apple pen on it. It’s just not the same man. I’d rather just use pencil and paper at that point.
>>4505833
You didn’t get your TrumpBux yet?

I recall someone saying the knockoff tablet drivers were spyware recently

Just putting this out there :^)

>>4505961
>when you can't sell products anymore so you have to sell customers

>>4505961
Ugh. You literally can't trust anything from china what the fuck man

>>4505879
I dont know what you’re asking for. You want a $300 screen graphic tablet that feels like the paper and pencil experience?

Surprise, it doesn’t exist yet thousands of artists still move forward while you stay stagnant like a child pouting in a corner because you didnt get a golden pony for your birthday. feel free to reply, i’m gonna draw. If someone replies to you, it wont be me.