/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4450315
Poor Asuka became a midget

>>4450315
Why were you colors okay before but now they're so desaturated?

>>4450315
Although other anons say otherwise, you really improved in a really small amount of time, more dinamism and overall feel...

>>4450333
Wow dude, day and night

>>4450333
benissimo

>>4450315
>>4450333
blogs?

>>4450333
I like this, left reminds me of mid 2000s internet anime for some reason but in a good way

>>4450567
i meant right

fuck

>>4450333
Really good improvement Nika! You've come a long way, can't wait to see your stuff in the future

Progress of /beg/, started drawing on Jan 1st

Been drawing for around 20 or so years, since 1998. I'm an old man now and my neuroplasticity is not what it used to be, damn younguns ;/

>>4450595
really good for 3 months

>>4450942
>fuck go back

Im sophmore in highschool. Been drawing really since middle school.

>>4450942
N-no. Post something you went all out with.

>>4450942
This is at least the third time you've posted it, get new material
>https://twitter.com/tsflipp/status/1174864808883171335

>>4450595
You keep this up and you will fasttrack your ass right out of beg before you know it.

>>4450333
Nika you got these anons enchanted, but now comes the next step, you need to know when to stop.

>>4450964
Why do people go on the internet and lie I’ll never understand that.

>>4450964
I don't know who's sadder, that anon or you.

>>4450953
Come back in 2 years

>>4450135
I started drawing in July 2019. I stumbled about (still kinda am) trying to find a style that resonates with me. I started a web series in March 2020 so that's taking most of my time now.

>>4450135
Left is much better. Has better composition, better expression, the body is correct.

What the fuck is that shoulder on the right one?

If you added colors to the right one you would had a much better picture imo

>>4450953
based

Posted the sketch last time, moved into color.
I'm still working on it and I know it still has issues but even at this stage I feel like I've come really far from the old one.

>>4451112
Nice tarrant. Very rare.

>>4450390
>>4450394
:)
>>4450397
You’ll be disappointed but, beholdnika on Instagram
>>4450573
>>4450567
I’ve always loved the charm of online anime art, this compliment means a lot anon!
>>4450592
Thank you so much anon :) I don’t know what I’d do without the critiques from anons on here. I’m happy that my eyes were opened a bit
>>4451028
Need to stop as in, not overwork the piece? I’ll try to be conscious of it. Thanks anon

>>4451215
wow you really stagnated

2 years ago vs various shit over the last year

>>4451522
You really think so? What do you think doesn't show improvement and what do you think I could do to push my art further?

>>4450135
no fuck that i got made fun of last time fuck you

>>4451854
He's chatting rubbish anon

>>4451864
I aint no crab, post your works im wainting *snip* *snip*

>>4452011
I kinda figured but at worst I thought somebody legit would hop in if they saw I actually wanted critique.

>>4451215
soul soulless

I've always wanted to see a progress thread that was specifically for sketches/studies/underdrawing. Seeing how people develop their own personal methods is incredibly cool to me. Pardon the deviantart-tier text commentary, btw.

>>4452474
Wow these are really good. I like the idea of looking at sketches, I think it shows more underlying improvement and problem areas than a single finished pic, but if you wouldn't mind sharing I would like to see something of yours that's more complete.

Guys, stop switching the before and after to fuck with me. That's NOT funny.

>>4452557
>every image itt has before and after oriented left to right
what did he mean by this?

>>4452488

Thanks kindly, man! Always happy to share, though I might've overdone it with the compilation. It's fun looking back through all this stuff. So many WIPs left to rot in my folders.

And I don't wanna be the jerk who shills himself unasked, but I also don't wanna clog up the thread anymore than I already have, so here's the ol' blog if you're still curious https://www.instagram.com/salti.art/

>>4453001
For the future, I think you may want to focus more on the finished stage of pieces. You have solid fundies, but you're very much within a comfort zone of "single character portrait/standing at flat angle," which keeps you from making really interesting stuff. Maybe venture into environments, so you can place your characters in setting, or try doing more dynamic perspectives and poses. Maybe even painting would be a fun area for you to dabble in.
I don't mean to sound discouraging, I just think you have a good foundation, and if you push yourself harder you could make really impressive stuff! The picture of the two robots is neat, I think you should try doing more stuff like that.

>>4453011
Yeah you're spot. I was just scrolling through my stuff realizing I was becoming "character with a line of color behind them" guy. Being overly cautious has always been my biggest problem. Dont like making mistakes, so I shelter in comfort zones something awful.

And no worries! It's not discouraging in the least. I appreciate hearing it. It's a good motivational kick to get back to work lol.

>>4453034
Spot on*

>>4451215
Better contrast and shadows nice improvement

>>4452474
Really great stuff dude, blocky construction is my shit, any recomendations on who to study?

First painting

first oil painting, I was so excited I didn't even have a canvas so I made one out of an old white shirt and some cardboard.

>>4453276
most recent oil on an actual canvas.

>>4453276
10/10 for making the best of what you got.

>>4452474
That's amazing that you managed to hit the sweet spot of imagination. How did you do it? References have helped me a lot, but I find myself to use it as more of a clutch rather than a start.

My progress from yesterday morning to yesterday night

>>4453506

>>4453528

Need to fix shadow under nostril it's lopsided and also weird pink mark needs blended and weird dark spot above lip which is annoying

>>4450135
This guy's entire channel brings out my inner crab.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oWdB6bfF1g&app=desktop

My partner is doing his very first painting today, exciting.

>>4453276
>>4453278
These are incredibly charming, man. Reminds me of the old wholesome 1950s paintings you'd find lost in the back of an antique shop.

>>4453103
I """read""" Loomis when I was first starting. Then I read Bridgeman for real around 2018 and didn't get it. But that led me to ModerndayJames' Deciphering Bridgeman vids on YT (very good stuff) and then finally to: https://www.academia.edu/8652846/Michael_Hampton_Figure_Drawing_Design_and_Invention
I love this book. Recommend it every chance I get. I think you could probably accomplish the same thing with other stuff, but this one just clicked for me.

>>4453476
See above. But regarding references specifically, I know the feeling. I didn't understand how to use them properly until I started to really think in terms of volume first. I unironically believe in the "draw cylinders and cubes in perspective" meme. I'm not saying go out and draw only cylinders, but if you look at references and learn to break them down into cubes and cylinders, it'll do wonders.

>>4451215
Poor cloud and his reverse dumbo years.

>>4453897
>Michael_Hampton_Figure_Drawing_Design
this book is fantastic thanks for sharing, brother

Wow some of the anons got worse over time i can't tell if im getting baited

Any feedback on the new format? Tried to cut down the number of images

>>4455033
This is way more confusing. I don't even really know what the lines mean, it was more clear when you just marked each piece. Unless you're trying to mark a sense of progression? I don't get it.

>>4455033
That is a really well put together progress chart. Very unformative and easy to follow. Also goddamn that's some good record-keeping.

>>4455044
>>4455037
RIP lol. Seemed clear to me, but I guess I haven't seen the first one to compare to.

>>4450315
How did you get worse?

>>4455033
Holy shit i'm not studying hard enough

>>4455033
So from 2013- mid 2014 you've just been making studies and drawing from references? Towards the end it's mostly studies, refs and imagination work? Nice to know that a person can improve that fast in 7 years. God i started in 2012 and i'm still a beginner. Back to grinding.

I truly thought I would have made it by now.
I couldn't be more disappointed in myself.

>>4455279
START NOW

Started drawing in Jan

>>4455283
It's too late for me.

>>4455279
>his entire life was 3 years
rip

>>4455349
Never too late

>>4455402
Cute, anon! Keep at it

>75 post
>21 posted progess
Do people even draw here.

>71 post
>16 posted progress
The state of /ic/

>>4455033
>tfw you draw this much, and you still cant draw a reasonably attractive female face.

This is the reason why I want to quit drawing.

>>4455037
>trying to mark a sense of progression
I wanted to group the studies vs the original content drawings and I used the lines as partitions. I also had a connected map between each drawing but there were wayyy too many lines

>>4455047
Pic related is the previous version, which was losing a lot of structure as the years went by

>>4455094
> 2013- mid 2014 you've just been making studies
It never really occurred to me to make my own drawings when i started. I was just copying stuff i thought looked cool for 3yrs.

>that fast in 7 years
I’m pretty slow, taking a break during 2017 and 2018 really set me back. It took all of 2019 to get back to my 2015 level.

>>4455044
>that's some good record-keeping.
It’s pretty straight forward, i update my spreadsheet once a month when these threads pop up and I update the infographic

>>4455932
>>you still cant draw a reasonably attractive female face.
It’s my white whale, i just gave up on it

>>4455924
Lmao his legs got longer, pretty cute

I got better at scale I guess?

I am pretty happy with my progress this year. My drawings finally start to look less flat.

yeah, i know its oCtober.

Not making much progress over years, should have quit years ago. Can't do volume, buildings and colors, but fuck that. Too much time wasted already on drawing and I still enjoy the process.

>>4456704
Birds are not important

>>4456777
>777
What are you trying to tell me, oh Lord? That I am not a talentless hack and should start putting actual effort?! HAHA, not in this life

>>4456777
If you want to improve, maybe try to keep it simple and Look at courses that teach small subjects. Like start with a course about drawing heads and then go from there.

>>4456795
Thanks, anon. I figured out that I can't follow those online courses or reading books/watching video tutorials for a long time. No motivation, too unsatisfied with results. Gotta save some money and get me a professional artist tutor who is going to check my works and beat the shit out of me if I am getting too lazy.

>>4456789
:( but i like them

>>4456842
You may like them, but always remember that they are indeed, not important

>>4455483
thanks!

>>4455094
Did you post your progress here? 2012. That's like 8 years how can you still be a beginner. Can you at least show an example of your work?

I started drawing in january, but I spent most most of that month just fucking around and doodling. I didn't start studying until february. It feels like I've made zero progress so far. I really need to step it up.

I like this thread. We should make it a constant in the board

>>4457877
You haven't improved much, but at least your SOUL is still there.

>>4455328
Love your subjects.
I see definite improvement in your sense of form and structure, good stuff.

Made refs for the same characters almost exactly a year apart

steps forward and backward feels like

dingus bingus in my pingas

It's hard to find instruction that isn't geared towards anime. Would really rather go the westaboo route -- maybe someone has tips?

>>4450333

>>4461051
Keep the style for clothing from the first one

4458713
You became much better without sacrificing your style, wow. Also that tanned shota is really cute.

>>4456963
are u important?

>>4450135
I can't tell if I've improved a lot. Took a long break from digital but it feels like I've learned from other mediums

>>4458030
this is either a shitpost or you're doing really good, I hope it's not a shitpost

>>4450135
havent been able to finish anything recently, just focusing on doing a lot more drawing for mileage

>>4462281
Just eyeball it desu

>>4461521
notta shitpost genuinely the stuff i made back then

>>4462289
I want to see 2020

>>4450135
Ey

>>4461618
the fuck is wrong with you

>>4460797
>goes form weekly to monthly release

Jokes aside, good shit.

>>4455328
GMI

>>4455033
Your stuff really makes me want to coom.

got myself a cheapo tablet for osu for christmas, fucked around with some art programs around early jan
both took about 2 hrs

>>4461618
fucking nasty

>>4461618
This is what happens when you go over Scott's How to Draw first before diving into Loomis/Vilppu

>>4462823
kek

>>4450135
Both of this are pretty shit, what is supposed to be the here? the coloring?

>>4450315

Maybe others would like it, but I genuinely think you degressed here, anon.

>>4461618
Based, keep making the normalfags angry with your superior taste and fast learning

>>4457877
actual real good shit man

>>4461618
>NOOOO YOU CANT DRAW THINGS THAT ARENT FURRY OR LOLI YOUR ART IS SHIT

>>4462685
based, looks good as fuck

>>4462918
what?
Explain

>>4450333
So you had a drawing tablet all along

>>4456704
it's actually april

>>4456973
bruh, you got some confidence posting this pic over and over

>>4461051
left looks cuter, so I'll go with that

>>4451215
you've definitely improved. the first one looks so uncanny valley in comparison to the new one. keep at it anon.

>>4461521
I'm glad I'm not the only one who had this thought. The older one has a certain confident look to the lines that makes it seem like it was done by someone who actually could draw and just wasn't trying, but since it's digital I figured that could be chalked up to a stabilizer or something.
>>4462289
Very good improvement anon, nicely done.

still thinking about tes lore, still chiming

>>4451215
post something more complete anon

>>4450333
Based

>>4455033
You are making people eternally jealous

>>4455033
I am going to be honest, your art has a shit ton of soul and your progress is 10/10 amazing, but it seems to me that you are sacrificing a lot of your anatomy in favor of gesture. It somehow feels like the perspective of your head and torso is always at least a bit wrong/flat, despite absolutely soulful gesture.

>>4463962
Jealous of stagnation?

>>4463987
Pyw

>>4450333
very very very nice. Inspirational.
>>4456704
I love them. Good colors. Very nice ducks.
>>4457877
Hard to tell what's happening in the 2020 picture. Forms and lines are nice, but.. maybe finish the art pieces before sharing them. Sorry to hate.
>>4458713
Cute, I like the stylization. Noticeable progress.
>>4461051
I really like both styles. Agree with previous anon, want more shading like the sleeves in the clothes. Overall really great :)
>>4461618
ok what the fuck. It's decent art but why are you drawing planes like this :(

Traditional artist. First self portrait using digital software vs current self portrait (same program, 1.5 years)

>>4458734
I like your dedication to a waifu, like boogie got meloetta and teckworks got ankha, maybe wanting to draw her the best you can will help you get real good some day

>>4463910
Very based. Left scribbles have that Kirkbride soul and charm, right feels like mechanical. Also study composition, if you gonna be drawing environments and wideshots. High render on a weak composition feels very tasteless and amateur. Portrait's great tho. You are soon to reach chim

>>4463920
I don't have much that's more complete than this. The last stuff I fully finished was from 2018 and most of it was cartoony, not fully rendered things. But I intend to post the fully rendered version of this when I finish it.

>>4451027
you should go back to studies from ref, I think you aren't ready for stylization, it is gonna keep you from improving

>>4464273
probably about a third of the drawings of her are by me lmao

>>4462675
heres a recent one

>>4463876
thanks!

>>4464251
>>Traditional artist
>posts digital not trad
Ngmi

i have some others progress, but this is the most recent

>>4450315
people really getting swindled over prettier colors

>>4450315
Not sure how anyone can say you didn't improve, it's obvious the left picture is a finished image you spent lots of time on, and the right not so much. But I remember when you first posted that left image, the right is so much better. Better proportions, anatomy, construction. Well done anon, saturated colours don't make for a better drawing.

>>4464251
Pretty horrible, cringy even
I don't understand the appeal of cringy derivative art

>>4464388
What are good resources to study composition, other than studying artists?

no cherry picking

>>4464920
Stop trying to run away from the pain that is studying hands, I know it is annoying as shit but it will be worthwhile eventually.
Just spend a month fucking grinding hands into the ground.

>>4464876
villpu intro to composition, Framed Ink: Drawing and Composition for Visual Storytellers book (it's in share threads),storyboarding with kris pearn and studying screenshot from movies, comics, photographs other artists etc.

>>4464957
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAPXep8wPts

>>4450595
good fucking job anon, you're the ideal /beg/

>>4464934
will do someday, currently suffering learning to draw legs, and knees are a bitch. have generally been running away from drawing these too by hiding them under skirts or baggy pants

>>4450595
>>4453276
>>4455328
>>4455328
>>4456704
>>4462685
GMI

>>4453011
I agree with this anon

I coom

>>4464423
>not rewarding yourself for studies with drawings from imagination
sounds like terrible advice desu

>>4464971
I was like that with human faces for so long, avoiding them by drawing cartoon people but there's nothing in the world more satisfying to me now than doing a good (for me at least) face

who improved the fastest from this thread

>>4465466
better to ask who improved at all

Drawing is fun

>>4461618
Based, I like that plane artist too

>>4465527
your anatomy is still shit

>>4464978
Im kinda new on /ic/, what does GMI mean?

>>4465681
Thanks
>>4465696
"Gonna make it" meaning you'll become a successful artist

>>4465711
how do you even get followers on twitter? Do you just keep posting? Or does the algorithim fuck you up if you made a twitter account a long time ago and not post for a long time.

>>4465714
Don't know why you're asking me, but I'll say willpower and know who you're trying to market yourself to

2017 to early 2020

>>4465023
Blog?

>>4466001
Why the fuck do you want to see his blog lol
>>4450397
This is you too ain't it? You're like an austic little baby crab looking around the place, too young to snip but old enough to observe others carefully.

>>4466001
not yet
ig tho https://www.instagram.com/beniaineb_/


>>4466357
why do you care little faggot

>>4455033
must be nice to have so much fucking free time

>>4455033
CLAPS

Trying to get back into painting these days havent really made any personal stuff this year.

this is the latest finished piece I made at the end of last year.

>>4450135
Still /beg/ but seeing this comparison of mine is pleasantly reassuring.
I was working on the one on the right when I suddenly remembered I tried those drills like three years ago on the left.
It really motivates me to see, albeit slowly, I AM improving.

>>4453276
You realize canvas is not a necessity for oil painting, right? You could have painted right on the cardboard. Or on paper, or wood, or whatever the fuck. I use old pizza boxes with acrylic gesso for most of my practice lol.

>>4462749
u like robutts?

>>4463979
>perspective of your head and torso is always at least a bit wrong/flat
interesting, I'm looking at my current drawing and I'm definitely drawing it flat because it's comfortable, not because its right...

>>4466411
>must be nice to have so much fucking free time
I paid an incredible price for time, and this is all I have to show for it

>>4466499
?

I/ll make it veeeery simple and clear: Kree Larson does not need a 40-year-old wypipo to tell her what didn/t work for him about her toe fungus—it wasn/t made for him
Women need men to see “Comrade Marvel” like a fish needs a bicycle
Thank you veeeery much

>Dhis Goose Dhe Pussycat Grabs Back

>>4466569
Blog?

>>4465759
What a shame

>>4466671
another one lost to the flood of coom

>>4452616
Based anon detects japs and automatically reads from right to left thinking it's another manga page

My goal from the beginning is to become a coomer artist because I like big tits and ass. I dont care what style I eventually settle on to achieve this goal.

I started to draw 10 months ago, at age 25, left pic first digital drawing , right i did today to compare.

>>4467070
Yikes

>>4467070
you should be ashamed of yourself

>>4467070
>This is what happens to 10 minutes a day fags

>>4450942
>its muh neuroplasticity ;/
>im not lazy, its just not possible for me

>>4467330
>this is what happens to people who start drawing as adults

Top right is last year, bottom right is February, and left is this week.

>>4456973
Very vaporwave and creepy

>>4464672
This is really poor but somehow apealing.

I quit for 3 years then picked myself back up in 2019. I'm really happy with my progress. I avoided /ic/ for most of it though.

>>4467794
Did you trace the face on the left? because the left face looks great,

>>4467794
You made better progress than 80% of /ic/, lmao.

>>4467796
Nope, everything there is from imagination. I know that the only tracing I've ever done is for studying.

>>4450135
This is your brain on figure drawing.
(About 4 month gap)
Lot of things I need to work on still. But I'm happy with where I've ended up so far.

>>4461618
based fetish autist, just keeps cranking out fap material that gets better and better while /ic/ seethes instead of draws.

>>4468043
i can seethe and draw at the same time, thank you.

>>4455328
Cute frog
>>4461618
Based AND degeneratepilled. Keep the crabs seething
>>4463910
11/10
>>4467070
You should take a look at "Figure Drawing" and "Fun With a Pencil" by Loomis
>>4467867
Very good, I am proud of you, anon

>>4467794
non coomers seething

>>4467794
revisit whatever fundies got that first face out of you. The proportions are pushed far enough on the rest of the anatomy to claim style, but that face is p. rough. Great work otherwise. Loving the hands.

>>4464049
>Sorry to hate
come on this is 4chan

>>4467796
Why do retards always assume something is traced here

Got more confidence in my lines during the year, feeling okay about my overall progress!

>>4468247
I think if you keep working hard and find a sweet spot in that sort of "deliberate chaos" line style, you'll definitely come into something impressive. I quite like your progress.

>(blogs?)

It's been a fun journey lol

>>4468210
Thanks, the perspective you redlined was not what I was going for at all. But you indirectly showed me the real mistake I made. That being that I added too much mass to the top and back of the hair shape, which conflicted with my original construction.

>>4468247
Went from “throw that shit in the bin” to “that’s pretty interesting, I wonder what else this guy will create?”

>>4468449
I suppose what I was trying to illustrate is that the construction you chose doesn't make a consistent middle line of the face. I tool a little more time to explain the point I was trying to get across though. I actually think the top heavy mass looks fine and is very characteristic of the style you're going for, I just think the rest of the construction doesn't add up.

>>4468401
You need to work on your shading quality.
One does not smudge to work in their values, you generally start with a hard edge and blend it.

>>4464251
i like it :) good job

this is 2 imagination head drawing and I got like 6-7 months of total practice between those two.

>>4464850
Why would someone post a finished and an unfinished picture in a progress thread? Maybe he progressed, but at what cost? Braindamage?

>>4450333
How many hours a day, great master?

Sept '18 to yesterday

Same jar of olives.

>>4469782
Well done anon. Focus on neck anatomy next.

>>4470151
thanks I'll try

>>4466560
Found the old bigger file and added to it.

I wonder how much more colourful can I get

>>4472181
This is cool as fuck and super inspiring, keep it up!

I did the first one nearly 2 months ago, and decided to redraw it yesterday

These threads make me immensely depressed for reasons that are hard to put into words. My own art journey is like that reddit sob story about the artist with Alzheimer's. You know there's something wrong with you when you see how stable other people are.
Sorry for blog, good job everyone.

>>4472899
You managed to both keep the soul and improve. Very good.

>>4472899
Cute, it could be art from a studio killer album or something.

>>4472897
the fact that this is a woman doesn't read at all
I like my muscular women, but without a womanly face, I'm imagining Nathan Explosion under the mask

Left is a bit more than three months ago. Right is within the past week-ish, with some being sorta old. Currently working on the big still life, probably 30 or so hours to go on it.

>>4469782
what did you study with?

about a week apart

>>4474288
I want to die, good job, how the fuck tho?

>>4474292

istebrak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-47n4G0nTI

>>4474240
A lot of photo studies while referencing loomis, trying to get some imagination drawing in between.

Loomba

>>4474356
soul vs soulless

2016 / 2017 - now
still not quite there but feel I am a lot closer
this is my third attempt at posting this

7 months.

>>4475860
Which one is the new one

>>4455279
His smile and optimism: gone

>>4456704
Good work, anon.

>>4466879
The body is looking nice, but practice your hands and faces. Hiding the hands and the other eye detract from your illustration. The chicken scratchy line art could also use some work, unless that was the style you were going for.
>>4467350
Nice concept, I’m digging the wooden doll look.
>>4467794
The exaggerate body proportions are now more appealing than before, but I like your older style of eyes and faces.
>>4469840
Huge improvement in your observation and rendering skills anon, is this a traditional painting?
>>4475435
Nice improvements, but finish rendering the last one.
>>4474356
Better head proportions. Do you have any more complete works?

Drawing from mid 2019 versus a recent anatomy practice, still got a long way to go but I'm still pretty happy

>>4463910
Why walk when you can draw?

>>4472181
very interesting development and vivid colors

>>4450315
Right is better. But the proportions are still weird.She looks like a midget and her eyes and jaw don't match the nose or the lips. Good improvement imo though.

>>4472899
this is fucking dank. the expression on right's eyes are fantastic.

>>4476725
I am >>4475435. Thank you for the feedback. I didn't finish rendering the last one because I still feel lost with values a bit. I always try to push things a bit further when it comes to drawing but am still exploring values, colours, composition etc. cheers

>>4472969
just draw nigga lmao

I wish something motivated me to draw.

I think I've made under a dozen sketches/drawings in the last two years.

I gave up on making it back then, but for some reason the dream still quietly lingers in the background, leaving me in a purgatory I cannot pass through.

>>4477236
This is very good progression, I am proud of you. You should start painting again

>>4477300
Are you nuts? That’s literally no progression. Unless you count using a slightly wider value range as progression.

>>4477306
There's. I am sorry if you're blind

>>4477309
Where? Unfinished grey scale painting, no construction, terrible brush work. The only difference is more value range.

>>4477236
hey, that's pretty good

>>4450135
Maybe some improvement? Meh

>>4478556
To be perfectly honest I didn't know which one was new at first

>>4478569
That's fair. Any difference is really marginal. Good to know that I've changed little lol

>>4478556
she looks less like an eel gj

>>4476283
The right one. Better pic showing more values.

>>4478556
>it took him 3 years to turn off the shadow layer
Bro...

>>4478926
ohhhh no it did din't it what can i do to fix myself anon

May 2019 to Feb 2020

Am I gmi?

>>4479939
No. You better have a goal to shortcut to, because you're likely never going to REALLY make it, but you might be able to fake hard enough to meet your goals

>>4477389
is this real or is this bait?