/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4343918

look on photography forums.

>>4343918
The Apple iPad Pro 12.9, or the Apple Pro Display XDR.
Anything else, and you're intentionally settling for mediocrity.

>>4343958
Based apple poster

>>4343951
Bluepilled mf

>>4343918
just get an ips screen and you will be fine, considering that almost all people watch images in just two formats: pc screens, or smartphones7tablets, and the pc market is almost all TN technology, and the smartphone/tablet is almost all IPS in the standard market that every in the world has.

So the worst scenario is that you have a TN screen so your are gonna be working with this colors, then jump to a mobil device and find that the color actually looks different there... so if you have a IPS screen you are just in the middle of all the market, because the high end technology is just for geeks or peope who waste money, and in the reality that people are not going to check images in passive screens, they probably, and even if they do, if you compare you can said that is valid that the majority of people use more a mobile device than a pc for those things, at least the base users of the actual social medias.
IF you can afford more money then go for a high screen, but with a IPS you are with the standard of the world

>>4344105
jesus i wrote that like shit.
I said IPS is the middle if the market, TN was the standard like a decade ago so in every country they are the most cheap, so a lot of people use that ones in their computers, so if you use a IPS you are fine.

These days there aren't good monitors, even the ultra expensive 30' have almost the same picture quality as a the smaller models. Standards are low as hell to the point tablets and phones have higher quality panels.

Eizo CS230-BK

>>4343918
anything with close to 100% Adobe RGB & 100% sRGB like Dell Ultrasharp or Asus Proart

higher resolution is useful for productivity, but not as important as colour accuracy

>>4343918
The thing you should care about is the gamut, the parameter that's measures in %AdobeRGB
>100% sRGB =70% AdobeRGB = office tier shitshow
> Above 90% AdobeRGB is ok, preferably 98%
You won't buy anything better than 98 for reasonable money.

The good monitors i was choosing from
>HP Z27
>Views in c 27" 4k with the same exact panel
>AOC U3277PWQU (the AMVA panel)
I got the latter because the previous ones were coming with dead pixels.
Its good.
Also just Google "x monitor benchmark" for the monitors you're looking for.

>>4344350
$$$$

>>4346190
You can probably find a decent 1080P display for half that much, I didn't look into them.

>>4346196
lol i over thinked about this in 2019 i stopped drawing digitally because i was afraid my colors be off due to having a poor out dated HD monitor

>>4346237
I used to have a very shitty TN monitor, all my older works look way fucking off on any other normal displays.
Yeah when your monitor is shit you paint the wrong tones.

>>4346395
damn worst nightmare

I don't think they make TN panels any more, at least not as popular as they were in the early 00's.

>>4344350
What about BenQ. Seems like a good price and is 99% Adobe RGB color and custom calibrated for color from the factory?
https://www.amazon.com/BenQ-Photographer-SW271-3840x2160-Calibration/dp/B012UNOCJY/ref=pd_bxgy_421_img_2/140-1830945-2577417?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B076CTL3BD&pd_rd_r=38329597-9714-11e9-9e03-b199d7ed47b8&pd_rd_w=4U4lG&pd_rd_wg=dvdID&pf_rd_p=a2006322-0bc0-4db9-a08e-d168c18ce6f0&pf_rd_r=KJ3SPQJ63A281B33XW25&refRID=KJ3SPQJ63A281B33XW25&th=1

>>4343918
OP, I've done a bunch of research. 1080p is a no go for art, trust me, the pixel density is too low unless you want to go for a <22" monitor where 100% sRGB is non-existant. All 1440p monitors even the artist-oriented BenQs suffer uniformity problems, you're likely going to have to cycle through multiple units unless you go for super expensive Eizos. I would suggest going for 4k monitors, these seem to be where the value is at. I don't know your budget but the cheapest decent one is the Philips https://www.philips.ca/c-p/276E8VJSB_27/4k-ultra-hd-lcd-monitor with 109% sRGB and decent uniformity. From there the specs get better.

>>4347073
>https://www.philips.ca/c-p/276E8VJSB_27/4k-ultra-hd-lcd-monitor looks very promising but i want to use it as a monitor stand

is it ok to have a curved monitor? or will it distort my perspective?

>>4347073
I actually took a few hours to check on the eizos, benQ and some dell monitors, and I think is worth spending a good bucks for a eizos 4k or a benq 4k, after all the wacom pro has 4k and 97-98 adobe RGB, now I understand why they are so fucking expensive on the pro side of the wacom tablets, no wonder why, I think having a good 4k main monitor and the wacom pro either 16 or 24 inches should do for a great workstation for maximum color accuracy, but man oh man it would be expensive, anyways if you do work for a living I think it gets paid in about a year of savings, and it should last at least 5 years so is future proofed.
Also, been checking how this image displays on different monitors, on my laptop display looks like complete crap, hues are off and temperatures are off to, then I compared to my main screen which is a modest Dell from 2013, and the difference is brutal, I cant imagine how it looks on a properly color calibrated UHD monitor, feels bad, man.

>>4347141
so as a summary, NEVER work on a laptop screen unless is the only thing available, they are cheap shit even for the decent laps.

>>4347135
Curved monitors never.
>>4347141
So aside form gamut coverage the color accuracy you're talking about has a measurement in delta E. Monitors that have good accuracy generally have an average around or below 1. 3 is where the difference is visually perceptible. Gamma, which is the brightness for each color should also be around 2.2. If you're snooping for affordable monitors make sure to always check reviews. Never buy monitors without reviews because there could always be nasty QC issues that they don't advertise. Good sites I'd recommend are tftcentral, PC Monitors, RTings. But any that go into detailed color measurements are credible.

>>4347179
Any specific model you can recommend for a 4k display? I have a budget of a couple grands.

>>4347182
Honestly that's far from my budget so I haven't done any research on those. For several thousand you are probably looking at Eizos or unironically Mac retina displays.

>>4347190
This particular site has recommendations on some Eizos along with reviews, of course nothing comprehensive. https://www.color-management-guide.com/best-monitor-for-photo-editing.html

>>4347145
yikes i gotta quit digital art then

>>4347200
And if your lap is old or low profile (or both) chances are it still uses TN technology, so yikes Indeed, your colors are a lie and probably every skintone you have painted looks alien-like on any decent screen.

>>4347204
all the odds were against me when i step foot in the digital art game i knew i was set up for failure but thats ok

>>4347214
Don't worry anon, we are not pros yet, so we don't need pro gear for now, just get good enough to get commissions and save money from there, thats what I did at least, and i'm still drawing with my shit lap screen and old cintiq 12wx,

>>4347200
early 2000s have beautiful digital art and they had shitty laptop/pc

>>4347581
People used CRT monitors until 05.

>>4347204
how do you define 'decent' screen, exactly?

what if the shitty screen has the correct colors? there's no real metric for one being more correct than the other, so this point is quite moot.

How big a deal is this really? Is it a make or break kind of thing, or is it like better tech gives a slight edge? I've been using a budget laptop from 2009. I'm not going for a high degree of realism but color harmonies do matter to me. Stuff looks fine on it, to me anyway, I'm sure it could be better of course. Nobody's ever said my colors look strange. I do remember everything looked washed out when I switched from my old desktop years ago.

>>4347060
That is a good monitor and 600$ is a lot for 27" 1440p.
After using 4k 32" i'd think 27" 1440p would be very good and optimal.

and my 4k 32" costed 500$ btw and has 92% adobergb.

>>4347886
What model is your 4k display anon?

>>4347886
The charge a lot for refresh rate (it is supposed to be great for gaming and photography which is very hard to achieve), color calibration and accuracy, also that monitor won an award from a photography forum as the best for edition, which is a good excuse to keep the price high.

>>4347998
>refresh rate
i meant display lag, it gives very low display input lag.

>>4347979
>What model is your 4k display anon?
U3277pwqu

It's ugly and built cheaply, but you can really tell that all the money went into the fucking panel.
+-1% backlight uniformity, 3000:1 contrast and juicu colors are fucking amazing, to get that for 5000$ is doubly amazing.

>>4348072
How is 32" for drawing? Is it not too big or do you sit further from your screen. I think it might be too big for me since I sit like 30cm from my screen, so I'll have to crane my neck around

>>4348681
It's very bad, because IPS has very bad viewing angles specially with dark colors you get that gray glow on every area away from your eyes. If you're just displaying bright colors then it won't matter of course.

>>4348681
I actually only use a fraction of the available space.
So i think a 27 1440P would be more optimal.

>>4348698
DUDE, thats bullshit

>>4348698
Hey you're not me and you're talking bullshit.
And the monitor i'm talking about is fucking AMVA not IPS

>>4348767
I've used the Ultrasharp 30", I think I know a thing or two. VA is even worse in this aspect. Viewing angles and color shift on any 30" panel is very noticeable. I've used every monitor type out there. TN, premium VA and IPS, Eizo... LCD is a failed tech, decades later and the same issues still persist and in some cases got worse. Old IPS monitors had the famous purple glow, now it's more gray than purple, forget about backlight bleeding and dead pixels, that's for another day.

>>4348764
Thanks, yeah I think 27" would be the biggest I should go for.
>>4348698
Sadly I don't think there's much out there other than ips. OLED is still in its infancy when it comes to monitors. And absurdly expensive too.

>>4348790
Works on my machine
Your picture is a fucking laptop and looks awfully like a TN panel.

Pic is my VA panel.

>>4348815
>>4348790
BTW CHECK MY BLACK LEVELS
sick va blacks, they rock.

Now go back to /g/ to and have some more of those CRT memes and talk with fellow retards about all monitors being shit.

>>4348815
Light gray figures... shows us a dark color or black if you have the balls.

>>4348831
That was 50% gray and here's black >>4348829
Black screen in a dark room.
The flare/smear around white isn't real BTW, smartphone lens is greasy or something.

>>4348790
>shows a laptop screen

The absolute screenlet

>>4348790
Yikes who things gotta change what’s up with all the defects and Is backlighting bad or it’s just annoying will it interfere with my digital art

Are apple monitors good?

>>4350757
They always follow a standard that is really good, but they are expensive

>>4348829
You just edited the photo in Photoshop, who are you trying to fool here?

>>4349218
Just check the monitors at the store if possible and choose one that is less insulting. All monitor reviews are BS, often they send a monitor with the best panels to the reviewers, then it gets a good review with all the tests, you buy it and there's backlight bleeding, uniformity problems, dead pixels if you're extra unlucky and so forth.

I would get an Eizo, even the office ones are fairly decent, just make sure the specs are up to the task.

Should I go with 4K if I can, or is 1440p the recommended?

>>4343918
This bad boy right here, it's not out yet though so you should keep your eyes peeled for it.

>>4347060
"Factory calibration" is pure marketing. Calibration is something that has to be done regularly, multiple times a day if your ambient lighting changes. But for the purposes of /IC, none of that matters. 99% RGB is good enough.

>>4347801
"Decent" to me includes calibration. Getting a colorimeter and adjusting the display is the first step. A ColorMunki or a Spyder are $150, if accuracy is that important to you. But you probably don't want to go down that road, because you'll need to calibrate any time the ambient light in the room changes, and when you leave the monitor for a while. (I've worked in pro publishing for a long time.)

>>4351846
>>4351843
this should be for editing photos and not digital painting right?

>>4351853
same thing if you care about colors, with photos you also adjust the colors

>>4351874
back to blending with copic markers then

>>4351853
It can be definitely be beneficial to digital painting. A colorimeter doesn't "fix" your display, it neutralizes it - it sets your white point, and removes color casts - which is always a good thing.
It's not as crucial as lot make it out to be, especially these days when a lot of monitors are ballpark out of the box, and you can use websites to get them closer by eye, for free. But if you're just a beginner, it's nothing to worry about. Later on, it's good to start exploring, especially if you want more predictable results from a printer at home. (I won't even go into publishing and color correction)
The ironic thing is, a calibrated monitor almost always looks "off" to an untrained eye. If you're just getting started, it's just one more thing to get lost in, instead of focusing on producing better art.
Also, a lot of anons who talk about color correction here clearly don't understand it and have unrealistic expectations of what it can do, and how it's done. You'll never have 100% "accurate" colors, without investing a LOT of money, and a lot of time training and set up to get there - which is especially pointless because you don't need to get there. As long as your colors look GOOD is all that matters - if you're reds are 1% off, nobody will ever know, or more importantly, care.
A Benq monitor that does 99% aRGB out of the box is almost all of the battle, for most digital art needs. A colorimeter on top of that is never a bad thing, if you can afford it, and are willing to use it correctly, it's not a "set and forget" piece of hardware.
If you want to try and get your monitor into a more accurate and neutral state (the real goal here), try the sites on this page:
https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/5-online-tools-calibrate-monitor/

>>4352452
I saw a video mentioning the backlight of your monitor grows dimmer over time so even with the same ambient you'd need to calibrate say, monthly or so. Is this a problem even with modern ips? Because I'd rather borrow a colorimeter for a one time thing but how viable is it with the backlight dimming issue, for a noob like me.

>>4352654
If you're going to calibrate, you need to re-calibrate several times a day, unless the room you're working in completely controlled in terms of lighting. Monthly is literally pointless. That's why getting into calibration is nothing to even concern yourself with, especially as a beginner.

I just need something cheap that can run photoshop. Suggestions?

>>4353269
Budget?

>>4353269
>Cheap
Any ips with above 90% AsobeRGB

Just thought anyone monitor hunting should be aware, a lot of LG panels have the dreaded red corner issue. It looks like their newer 27UL--- models don't suffer from this but best check online to make sure. https://twitter.com/gouki201/status/1145649632820596738?s=19

Note that AOC and Phillips 4k models don't use LG panels as they're aware of the problem.

>>4353302
250$ max

>>4356027
https://www.amazon.com/Philips-276E8VJSB-3840x2160-UltraNarrow-DispalyPort/dp/B07JXCR263/ref=sr_1_3?crid=3IAWOD0U7GQHG
It's on sale right now.

>>4356468
is there a non 4k product with better colors? I don't feel like I need 4k on a 27 screen

>>4343958
>>4343993
sure if you want to have to buy another over priced monitor if it dies (and it will)

>>4357487
Well the Phillips is the best bang for your buck. At $250 max I don't think you will find good 2k monitors unless you want to play panel lottery with the BenQ pd2500/2700q. For some reason that resolution is full of color uniformity problems like temp shifts from one side of the screen. Maybe there's some hidden gem I don't know about bc I'm going by stuff in syrup land.

Color meter or factory color calibrated

>>4343918
Does it really matter after a certain point, since your work will be viewed almost universally on sub-par screens and mobile elsewhere?

I bought a screen tablet and then purchased this thing and I almost regret the tablet.

The colors are as good as the tablet and it's huge and crisp, definitely would recommend.

The only issue is that it seems to have QC issues, so if you have any dead/stuck pixels get it replaced as defective ASAP.
(Amazon Prime is god tier for this actually, they will pick it up from your door no strings attached as long as you repack it up and mark the unit as defective in return).

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B078P57ZWL/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

>>4347060
BenQ has absolute fucking shit service.

So last year I got a BenQ monitor in September. It's a 4K PD3200U. In November I got a shitty colour line that appeared on it, sent it to repair which took a month. The fucking gibbons at their repair center used the same box, crammed the screen the wrong way around somehow, managed to cut through half of the foam with their box cutter, didn't add any new protection at all, and sent it back to me "fixed". I plugged it in, it didn't work at all. Asked for my money back but they have this dumb policy where they have to fix it multiple times. Send it back, takes a while and get it back 3 days ago. The retards still used the same fucking box with more tape on it, and now the screen has about 10 dead pixels because they're fucking morons who would rather spend money replacing the monitor than just add a bit more protection. Now I'm going to try to get my money back but I'm getting really fucking annoyed, and I wouldn't be surprised if I need to send it to be fixed a 3rd time for these autismos to just cram it in the same box yet again. So if anyone has a suggestion for a 4k 32'' monitor in about the same price range I'm interested.

Fuck BenQ.

>>4360223
That's why you want to get a monitor with decent sRGB so 99% of people can see your work within the ballpark range of what you intended.