/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4273204
well, your drawing really summarizes the op pic.

>>4273204
lmaoo

>>4273204
You could really benefit from Vilppu

>>4273204
Her tits are so low, her hand is way too big, and she's not even 5 heads tall. That pose is fucked but I'm not even going to mess with that right now. Use visual measuring please and look at how many heads tall your people are and where landmarks fall on the body. At 2 heads is the nipple line. At 3 is the belly. At 4 is a little under the crotch. So on and so forth. For some reason the navel and the elbow line up but nothing else in her body does. Please fix this, I can't look at it.

>>4273229
Couldn’t you have fixed the face too?

I took a drawing class at the local community college and this was one of the assignments.
It won an award from the art show (1st place among Drawing I students)
Should I let it go to my head or was the competition probably just bad? There were other, much better pieces there but there were Drawing II students and others folks just auditing the class who submitted work.

>>4273230
It's his style. You don't mess with that.

Bought tablet for uni and rediscovered my love for drawing.
Any tips from other Android anons?

>>4273229
thanks yes i again ignored the proportions but question: is it impossible for a human to have such proportions? like say she would be really tiny?
>>4273236
no no I do not have a style yet I draw the faces different every time cause I discover new artists or attractive real faces I wanna replicate

Any tips on modeling tone or rendering?

How the fuck does people draw from reference gets it all right while I've spent 3-4 hours on this and it's all wrong.
ALSO HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO PAINT IN PHOTOSHOP AAAAAAAAAHHHHHH????

egh

>>4273231
>Should I let it go to my head or was the competition probably just bad?
Neither. Just consider future projects which might replace your past work.

>>4273245
PLEASE SOMEONE THAT IS GOOD CORRECT ME AHHHHHHH!!! WHAT DO I HAVE TO LEARN IN ORDER TO IMPROVE? PLEASE!!!

>>4273245
too stiff
to improve both proportion and angles, shrink down the reference and resize when your basic forms and angles are in place
always crosscheck and mirror canvas when you can

>>4273230
If he wants to fix it he can go do studies of asuka.

>>4273242
You could maybe have the height of 5 heads but most definitely not the way you did it. She had the legs of a baby and the arms and torso of a 7 heads tall woman, plus some mega sag granny boobs.

Look if you want to draw someone who is only 5 heads tall thats fine but you need to go look that shit up and stop guessing. It looks awful when you guess.

critic?

>>4273279
yeah thanks no more guessing

>>4273268
Thanks for the good tips, anon.

old men are hard, young women you can just leave light areas white, can't do that with old men since you need to put wrinkles there

>>4273231
wow i cant believe they featured white supremacist symbols

WIP, no ref, imagination only. I'd like some feedback please.

>>4273359
Proportions are wack. Study more.
Arm is too tiny. Torso is too short

studying loomis
just started learning how to transform mannequins into real bodies. Thoughts? Any advice?

>>4273359
draw the head, even if it's only a circle. You need to have the whole figure or your proportions will suffer.

>>4273364
Arm is foreshortened.

>>4273379
Gesture comes first, work on that. Try to imagine the volumes better. Draw through the forms with your pencil. Even if your not laying down line.

>>4273392
making it smaller is not foreshortening. You need to make the volume feel like it's going away in space. Flip your canvas to see the drawing better.

>>4273392
>Arm is foreshortened.

>>4273392
It is still to small. Learn to take critique. /beg/tard

>try to draw the loomis head from extreme upshot perspective
>brain stops working
wtf, I thought this method was supposed to be universal. And even in tutorial videos nobody seems to tilt the loomis head more than 45 degrees up.

>>4273404
Take it easy autismo.

>>4273392
Why retarded /beg/ is a thing.

>>4273199
CHIKA WHAT THE FUCK YOU MUST PAY FOR THIS TRUTH IN GOOD HENTAIS

>>4273392
Based.
Going to use this one next time I fuck up proportions.

thoughts? I foreshortened the upper body.

>>4273423
Why not just stop fucking up your proportions?

>>4273425
Easy to say when it’s a simple pose

>>4273427
if your practicing enough it shouldn't matter how difficult the pose is.

>>4273407
But why would you want to turn it more than 45°? Unless you want to make drawings with extremely hard angles, which anyway wouldn't even look nice, they would be just a way to flex your skills.

>>4273438
It's all for the sake of improving. I bet you symbol draw your 3/4 faces.

>>4273397
>Draw through the forms with your pencil. Even if your not laying down line.
I don't understand what you mean

>>4273440
Okay for example, if you are drawing the torso from the front imagine you are drawing the back as well as you carry your pen across the page. If there is a twist in the torso try to feel the twist with your pen on page. As you're drawing it imagine the whole form in your mind.

>>4273438
I want to understand and develop a generalized skill of drawing any object.
I mean, there are situations where you would want to some object rotated 45 degrees upwards, such as a helicopter for example. And a head is also just an object made of planes or primitives. Yet the loomis head method breaks down in such situations. Which means that the method is not universal, but also a collection of (advanced) symbols.

>>4273425
>>4273429
pyw
you won't
pussy

>>4273463

>>4273379
gesture

>>4273463

>>4273463
Sure, np. Here is something I did for fun and some imagination gesture warm ups.

https://i.imgur.com/mWMgh9W.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/NFven2B.jpg

>>4273465
that's cute, but not me (๑•́ 3 •̀๑)

>>4273424
why? i'm not sure what angle you're attempting here but this isn't very dynamic so i'm not sure why the upper body would be foreshortened

do you have a reference picture?

>>4273424
Dudes out here looking like a pregnant Will Riker

more deconstruction

i feel like the lower half in the bottom is better but idk

>>4273483
you got me

>>4273486
Yup, I agree. The gesture of the bottom one is better.

>>4273479
He's making fun of the classical /beg/ retard

>>4273489
it's not gesture, i was trying deconstruction.maybe i should have add'd the muscles

>>4273501
Every drawing has gesture, anon.

>>4273501
He means the pose of the bottom one is better. The hips are more angled and the legs seem to distribute weight better. There's always gesture in things.

>>4273501
well, what I noticed was the bottom one felt better because you captured the twist of the torso and you got the angle of the hips too. Gesture is the most important imo.

>>4273483
I fucking hate myself for laughing

>>4273199
When will you embrace the truth, anon?

>>4273541
talent isn't real

>>4273541
I know I have talent. That's why I can keep going.

>>4273541
>>4273587
The truth is that talent is real but way less common than you think.
Only once every 500 years someone gifted is born.

>>4273231
It's healthy to take pride in progress and stuff but I wouldn't hang your ego on it. Try and focus on celebrating and savoring making what you like and the progress you're personally making. You really only fall apart when you make your sense of self hang on it

Any feedback appreciated

>>4273661
ref

>>4273661
>>4273663
>>4273663

>>4273661
>>4273663

>>4273669
>>4273673
Really detailed feedback there Anons!

>>4273661
Just keep practicing.

>>4273688
>just draw bro

>>4273690
Yeah, it's a lot nicer than saying everything is bad.

>>4273424
This is why I don't recommend Starting Strength

>>4273661
Get the general shapes of what you want to draw down on paper first.
Then check your proportions, if a shape is too big or too small, change it.
Once you're sure you got the proportions right, start adding details.

>>4273661
>>4273663

>>4273721
I think he understands that it doesn't look right, he wants to know how he can make it right.
This board is literally the shittiest place on the internet, littered with pseudo-intellectual retards.
Go fucking raid another subreddit or something you discordtranny-ass-nigger.

>>4273199
How do I get over artists block???? can't draw shit because I'm afraid it will look bad but I know I have to get better, AAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHHH

>>4273723
idiot, his drawing is so bad (not even trying to be crab here), that best answer is literally loomis or any newbie book but niggers like you are gonna jump to defend his feefees from any kind of critisism that isn't a clitsucking wall text of how brave and stunning his work is, at this point is way better just to point the obvious to us to him, because he obviously doesn't see it.

My figure drawings are usually pretty good, but whenever I try to draw from imagination they look autistic, how do I bridge that gap?

>>4273661
You simply lack mileage, keep drawing every day for another year and your drawings might look somewhat decent.

>>4273731
> can't draw shit because I'm afraid it will look bad but I know I have to get better,
you answered your own question. The sooner you learn from your mistakes the sooner you can move past it.

>>4273661
it's hard to critique anything specifically because so much is wrong
it's best to learn the fundamentals before jumping into stylized drawing like anime
just do loomis

>>4273669
>>4273673
I fucking hate these kind of people they don't comprehend "critique" part of this board

>>4273734
And this NIGGER defending them is worse, imagine DEFENDING avatarfags I bet you like tranny janny cock in your mouth and ass you fucking niggerfaggot.

>>4273739
but what if I never learn? I think that's a HUGE obstacle for me I mean I'm not retarded but I had to grind over and over for things that came naturally to other people.

>>4273735
if you don't already, start figure drawing using construction (on top of gesture), and once you get comfortable with that start constructing not what you see, but what you remember. compare after constructing figure, correct & repeat until accurate enough.

for practicing constructing figures, boxes are better than cylinders and ovals because they force you to describe the perspective of the object in more detail.

>>4273745

what the fuck are you even doing
none of these are even close to being accurate copies
what is the point of this

>>4273741
why are you projecting this bad are your hurt?, im just replaying to the gay ass faggot who think this is ''mean'' >>4273721.

also is hard to take you seriously if you just gonna say buzzwords.

anon fucked up, we could literally point out everything that is worng with it, and everything is wrong to be honest, but that won't help him, he obviously haven't studied enough or nothing at all so loomis oh but thats a meme isn't.

>>4273743
What can I say? If you won't draw because you're scared you're not going to get better no matter what. If you're not retarded you'll keep grinding at your own pace until you get the hang of it.

>>4273752
Posting a pic basically making fun of the poster isn't really going to help anyone...

>>4273745
Hey anon, you're doing a bit better again, im glad you stopped scratching. Now i think its good time for you to learn about line weight importance. You probably notice that in the upper left drawing the contour of their head is thicker than the rest of drawing, and in other drawings its the opposite. But in all cases it's random - there's no logical reason behind the weight of any line you used. Controling lineweight adds a TON of character, dynamism and crucial information to your lineart. I recommend watching this video by Feng, it's long but it only contains quality knowledge necessary for all beginners so you wont regret it. I think he speaks about lineweight at about 3/4 but Im not sure I remember correctly. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22XYoenU-0c

Watch it for explanation and all practical tips. The most basic/common rules are:
- the outline is thicker than details "inside"
- what's closer to us is thicker (so we're starting to think about perspective a bit)
- whenever lots of lines are intersecting, that place will also be thicker
- cast shadow - thickest lines
- places lit by intense light - thin lines
- most extreme part of the curve is usually thicker

important: I know that the cartoon you're referencing and most cartoons in general don't have varying line weight, but its really really crucial to understand these aspects, you will stop making the lines randomly thicker and do everything consciously and with purpose if you study this subject. Once you understand the drill you can come back to whatever style you're emulating.

I legitimately just tried to copy a photo, and this is what I got.
After I finished drawing it, I could see all the issues, but I was completely blind to them while drawing it. How can I fix/improve my observation skills?

>>4273752
The fuck are you even trying to say? Loomis is a good starting point but that's just one point of learning from one artist what's wrong with encouraging people rather than just LITERALLY posting a laughing image, this place is no better than /b/ then.

>>4273755 this >>4273721 ???, im not defending the 2 retards that posted only pics, i posted this>>4273721 that brings across my point and it's the whole reason of why i even bothered to reply.

That elf is prob the worst thing I've done in a while. I guess that what I get for not using construction

>>4273769
refs

>>4273710
I can't tell if my shapes are too big or small without finishing everything

>>4273740
I do loomis on real and anime. Nothing works both look equally terrible. If you need I post real stuff to get specific advice


>>4273734
I use loomis and hampton (sometimes vilppu and other random shit) and I don't get results so I post my stuff here looking for specific advice

I don't know why you guys are arguing over mostly stupid stuff. Don't waste your time. Go draw

>>4273769
>Not using construction
JESUS anon, why are you committing a cardinal sin such as that? Seriously though don't bother posting these on /ic/ just grind out a hundred more pictures then post, by that time the holidays will be over and all the edgy kids will be gone.

>>4273779
its going to be ok anon, don't give up

>>4273786
>don't bother posting

I would, but I've been stuck at the same level of shitty quality for too long. I was convinced that I'm ngmi and wasting my time but I figured I'd post shit here for a while and hope for some helpful advice hidden underneath all the shitposting crabbing and ic arguing

>>4273795
There are a lot better places to get critque than here, anon. This board is meant for shit posting, just like the majority of 4chan.

>>4273800
such as?

>>4273795
there is nothing to critique your drawings are 10yo child tier, read the sticky, read loomis, draw boxes

>>4273804
Literally and unironically /b/ or reddit.

>>4273800
Please tell me i want out of this shithole

>>4273804
Unironically reddit

>>4273810
>reddit

Thoughts on the whole "you should only sketch with ink" mentality? Some say it's important because it develops line confidence and forces you to think before you draw, but on the other hand, a lot of artists go on about how important it is to start with a gesture/start by constructing the basic shapes.

>>4273807
>>4273810
>>4273813

Any subreddit suggestions? The places I looked at were dead critique wise

>>4273832
I dunno man google that shit.

>>4273832
R/artcrit or r/learnart those places are better than getting crabbed on.

i don't know what's wrong but something feels off

also any ideas on what clothes i could make her wear?

>>4273483
lol

>>4273842
I'm not very good at clothing, but overall the torso is really off anon, try visualizing it without the arm in front to see what I mean. Also her shoulder length is too large compared to her lower body.

>>4273825
I do both, drawing with ink reminds me to work on economy of line and sketching with pencil reminds me to work on gesture and dynamism. I just think you benefit from both

>>4273840
Will they get mad if i post big tiddy anime girls?

>>4273842
did you used a ref ? she got the frame of a fucking swimmer

>>4273842

>>4273862
haha yes, very cool post lmao

>>4273857
r/artcrit won’t mind, but idk about learnart though. Probably the same anyway.

>>4273862
do you mean it's obvious ? or that i'm not clear enough ?

>>4273860
yeah, i even tried narrowing slightly

>>4273842
her shoulder looks like it's been dislocated. she's also missing ribs and like half a boob. and then her torso looks like it held to her lower body by skin alone.

>>4273878
anon do you have sauce on these types of old images?

>>4273759
Deconstruct it

>>4273880
this looks better ?
>>4273883
not really man, just type old celebrities name followed by photoshoot maybe ?

>>4273800

if you use your brain you can filter out the shitpost. Some of the crits I get here are a thousand times better than dumbfucks on reddit praising every single shit art they see. Also as an artist you need thick skin and what better place to train that than this shithole. or go to reddit a live in a bubble.

>>4273898
You mean critiques like these? I see this way more in here than reddit or anywhere else. It’s not good you have to block out the majority of the board just to ok critiques that you can get anywhere else. I won’t fault you for the thick skin part, but how does that help when you’re only get crabbed on and receive no help to improve your artwork? Would you really call this an art/critique when 80% of post here are just shit posts?

Is this right?

>>4273919
no, curve the center line.

>>4273199
I’ve unironically seen an 8000 pixel height on someone’s animu drawing stream and they said they were using an 8 size pen.
How does this work? Who told them to use this size? Why do they use this size? Should I be using giant canvases?

>>4273922
i don't see the benefit.

I started out wanting to draw waifus and /m/ and /k/ stuff 2 years ago.

Now I'm just mostly drawing furfag shit. I've improved compared to the beginning but at the cost of my soul, thanks a lot /ic/

>>4273929
you're welcome

>>4273914
based moot

>>4273922
I'm working on a piece right now that's 10000x7500 with a 7 pencil brush.

It allows me to work messy and loose, and when I scale it down later everything looks much cleaner than it actually is since a lot of the mess disappears at lower resolution.

hey all
is drawabox a good resource?

>>4273944
kinda, drawabox exercises are basically pieced out of what peter han and scott robertson teach

>>4273919
Advice appreciated

>>4273970
oops forgot pic

>>4273922
I think most people draw on a large canvas for 2 reasons.
1. it's very easy to downscale
2. less noticeable jagged edges on your lines when not using vector lines, although this is only relevant up to a certain size

>>4273944
I think you're better off doing dynamic sketching by peter han instead.
Both DS1 and DS2 are on cgpeers aswell as on gfxpeers.
Not only because drawabox is just a regurgitated version of the first 4 weeks of DS1, but also because the guy who does drawabox is a pretentious retard.

>>4273914

just ignore it. for every reply like that there's some anon out there that will give a detailed crit. honestly all you have to do is ask them to elaborate. Sometimes you actually get good crit from the same anon that post that shit.

It's what made ic /beg/ what it is. Praises from dumbfucks who doesn't know what they talking about is much more dangerous than that. you get comfortable in your own shit and stop improving because practice is hard.

>>4273392
>I need feedback
>no I did it right shut up

How true is the "if it looks like shit when the canvas is flipped then something is wrong" meme?

>>4274007
Very true.
Stare at something long enough and you'll get used to it, so the flaws won't be as obvious to you.
Flipping the canvas is basically a reset button.
It's one of the main reason people post stuff expecting to get praise for it, only to get mocked into oblivion. The flaws will be very obvious to anyone who hasn't seen it before

first try with digital, I have no idea how to shade or color, have no mercy

This right?

>>4273465
THATS RIGHT BITCH KEEP POSTING OTHERS PEOPLE WORKS
GET FUCKED

>>4274096
W I D E F A C E

This is the first sketch I've ever done as I try and follow a series of guides to make my drawing from absolute shit to just shit.

Already I can tell the following:

First major problem; the street was too wide or the buildings were too small
Second, perspective on the right is utterly fucked and I needed to judge the space of buildings better.
Third, proportion of bricks and texture, as well as perspective.
Fourth, the scale of the various buildings in relation to each other.

Everything is awful as well but those are the glaring issues.

>>4274186
why don't you fix them?

>>4274194
I'm wondering what other people see is wrong.

>>4274194
Also I'm moving onto the next exercises in the book; I'll come back and do another sketch of the photo at another time.

>>4274194
Because if you fix everything then nothing will ever be complete. Draw your picture, identify mistakes, repeat.

>>4274186
You vaguely, maybe mention it, but you should pay closer attention to the perspective on your windows.

>>4274212
>>4274212
so you will keep doing your same mistakes without fixing them?

>>4274186
This is not as bad as you think, don't be so hard on yourself you're learning.
It seems like all your effort went on the left side of the paper and you got tired out by the time you moved to the right side of the drawing. Your issues with this piece will go away with more experience. Keep drawing, be mindful of your lines (you will not need to focus so much on them as time goes on). This is a good first step. Also, try to think more about composition, just cropping your drawing makes it much more interesting imo. Find something interesting about your subject and make it the focus of the drawing. Use reference but don't copy your subject, observe it. Use that information to make a drawing, otherwise your just copying a photograph. Other anons suggested fixing it, I wouldn't bother move on, do something similar or entirely new.

Also, is this with pen? Your lines are quite dark.

>>4274225
No, on the next try you fix it...I thought this was obvious

>>4274235
You don't need to literally draw the same thing to do that.

>>4274228
Not only is it with pen, it's with an awful biro that kept needing to be scratched to get the ink flowing again as you can see above. So better tools is another thing I need to get.

Certainly true about being tired. I've moved onto some other exercises and attempted to construct some figures from shape and my wrist feels week now. You're quite right as well as I started on the left half and that side of the street was much more involved. The road was drawn first but the focus on detail on the left led me misjudge the proprotions of the buildings due to working on the perspective (which was the main subject of the exercise, ie draw a street). The bad windows on the right were the last thing I did, and that does show as you pointed out.

I will return to the sketch, althoguh rather than fix, I'll start afresh, as the photo I'm working from is a perfect exercise on perspective due to the angle and the lines and the materials within. And perhaps after doing some more exercises.

>>4274097
retard

>>4274242
Tools are very important, you want something your are comfortable using. I recommend a fine liner or a gel pen. I have a bias towards Pilot pens, but I can say fairly their razor point pens are pretty good for the price. And one last piece of advice. It's fine if want to return to the same subject, but if you are feeling worn out you need to do something else before you will return to it. Take breaks avoid burn out. I am saying all this because you seemed really down on your self and you yourself said you got worn out with the drawing. I really would recommend coming back to this subject after doing at least one different drawing.

>>4274256
Oh, I'm not down on myself. I'm merely being realistic. But yes, like you said, probably best to return later.

Advice appreciated

>>4274262
ref

>>4274250
fix it for me retard. and this one

>>4274263
>>4274097
Curious, why are you drawing on top of the photographs? Whats the point.

>>4274267
construction. i could just eye it and start my drawing but its easier if I can see exactly how the shapes and perspective work on the original.

>>4274301
Okay, but your not really paying attention to the forms. And the one on the right of the man sitting is kind of strange as to what you are trying to figure out. The chest looks like you are looking at his muscles underneath, but you don't really do the same for his limbs.

>>4274263
i wanted to give this one a shot since i want to practice gestures next.

>>4274306
>paying attention to the forms

wdym by this
>>4274306
>you don't really do the same for his limbs.

how would you do that?

practicing perspective and construction
pls gib feedback

i fucked up making this but i am glad i sat down and saw something through. after a month of gesture practice and anatomy study i will try to come back to this and make it look better.

>>4274317
Okay, tired this a little. It's kinda tricky in some spots. But I think I have a good idea of it. When I did the construction forms I feel it came out really bad. Should have started with gesture then did the construction. As far as the muscles I have no idea how to do them. I have no idea how the leg/arm muscles would look under his clothes. What I was saying was if you are drawing his anatomy on his torso why only use ovals for his limbs.

>>4274256
to be fair, when it comes to ballpoint pens, pretty much anything works. I have a few fancy pens, but i still whip out a bic from time to time. As long as the ball isn't too loose and it doesnt splotch ink, when it comes to ballpoints its hard to use the tool as an excuse.

>>4274330
For sure. Not to knock ball points. You can get some really good value with them (almost like a pencil). But fine liners tend to be more controllable. I love using pens, but I haven't dived into ballpoints to much due to them being messy. Keeping my paper clean is the main reason I kinda stay away from too much graphite and dry media.

>>4273870
reddit art subs are only good if you're an absolute begginer, but once you move past something like half of beg in terms of skills, they're pretty trash hugboxes. either you get no response, an useless "wow thats so cool" with no actual crit, or a subjective opinion relating to a stylistic choice or comment which is just straight up wrong. actually good crit is one in a million there, especially once you are intermediate and anything you make really impresses normies and other beginners, which then post shit like "i love it, its perfect, don't change it" when you ask for crit.

>>4274322
Dude seems chill. What are those graphic bits in the corners?

>>4274186
looks really nice. what painters are you into? Utrillo?

help, does this look ok? its supposed to be foreshortened

>>4274355
it looks a bit foreshortened, not by much though

>>4274355
no no, this would make sense if her arm was bent in a different way. But if her arm is straight you would see the top of her thumb. Just pose your own hand, you can't bend your wrist like that.

I’m not a furry. I was trying to go for a kind of “colored by crayon” look.

>>4274361
defiantly got that crayon feel from the left elf, not so much the others. Also, damn hes packing.

>>4274359
>>4274360
tyvm anons!

>>4274365
Peanut anon here from the other thread, I drew peppermint patty I realise that I need to stop chicken scratching and straighten my lines a bit.

Please Critique.

>>4274397
Whoops, I must've slipped on my keyboard or something, Here's the pic

>>4274399
i'm not really good with ink stuff but I think the hair strands should be a bit more uniform. like they follow where the hair is going. Some of the lines are a bit squiggly but I think its part of the peanuts aesthetic so idk if you should change it. imho

>>4274424
Wow, I should really read the google document more, Those little shadows and those few straight lines really added depth to the drawing.

Thank you, I'm going to read the document a bit more, draw patty but using a different reference picture and try again.

>>4274096

>>4273842
flip the canvas

Need help badly, I don't know how to draw or paint. Can anyone give me any guidance on what I am doing wrong? I though adding a light source would give it a defined look but it really did not.

>>4274435
Based anon

>>4274263
okay you're trying to use construction, but with the methods you're using it doesn't look like you're actually paying attention to the form of the model. Also, with the cube and shape method, the shapes aren't correct. It's easier to see that in the first pic. Try to understand the purpose of what construction is used for which places of the human body before moving onto gestures

what were you even trying to do for the green outline in the second pic??

>>4274440
symbol drawing (eyes look pasted on), lack of 3d planes (face looks flat all around), very weak contrast and no background tone

idk if you drew the right one also, but either learn that anime style or realistic head drawing, not both at once

>>4274447
Yeah I drew the other pic and thank you for the advice. One question though, what did you mean by "either anime style or realistic head drawing, not both at once"?

>>4274451
Well I don't know much about drawing anime but aside from the nose, the right one looks like alright anime face. It has those anime face features like two line mouth, big eyes etc.
Problem happens when you try to render anime face like it's real face, it just doesn't look right anymore because proportions are all around the place.

I know you can render anime faces nicely (chinks love that shit) but it's probably better to still learn a more classical way of constructing the head if your goal is somewhat realistic anime faces.

>>4274336
That’s perfect for this thread, everyone here that posted art are absolute beginners.

>>4274464
Got it, once again thanks for the advice!

>>4274241
Right. But some variation of the same thing. Like then you're drawing figures you dont draw the same pose over and over. But you certainly dont spend time correcting each mistake on each figure. You look at the one you just did, find faults, and then draw a different pose, addressing issues with the previous.

>>4274399
Back again after an hour of drawing (started at 11pm), Decided to make a fully body Charlie Brown one more time before moving onto patty.

Top image is the last time I drawed CB.

Thoughts? (sorry for the small image).

>>4274613

I find that the hardest parts to draw were the Hand, Stripe and Legs...

>>4274598
Yeah, I agree. But when someone is telling anon to fix a pen drawing that means redrawing it to me.

>Had a really lewd dream and I want to draw the subject matter
>Can't really draw yet and don't want to join the coomers yet

This feeling is unbearable

>>4274445
anon... at least learn basic perspective before you redline someone

I keep making the same mistake In drawing to have a person floating In space, which makes it even harder when coming up with a background; especially if the character is sitting. So outside of planning ahead, what's the best way to deal with it? I find it really hard to use a grid when I've already have something drawn.

>>4273199
Hehehehhheeheeeee I'm going fucking MAD ahhahhahahahhaahhahaaaaaa

>>4274319
pretty good aside from the head. It is too wide and placed too low.

no ref, how do I improve?

>>4274819
Use a reference.

>>4274819
Stress the "tension" points on the clothing more - so the area around her arm for example, you should add way more stretching marks there. Apart from that it looks good, not sure what more i can say at this stage. Shorten the elbow, it's way to long. The head is a bit too small, i see you have a tendency for that. Its great that you're drawing without a ref. Post it again when you draw the hair, face hands etc, i like your sketches. This one reminds me of vintage figures I used to draw at art college, i'd make charcoal drawings 2 meters tall with women wearing this kind of drapery. Good times.

>>4274819
Use a reference for the majority if not all of your drawing when you're just starting out imo. you can't hope to draw anything from imagination if you haven't learned how to from reference first.

>>4274828
>>4274835
stop telling people to use ref when they're clearly just practicing drawing from imagination idiots, this person does ref studies as well. not everybody wants to become a ngmi phoro copy machine, some of us want to actually invent and design something

>>4274845
You sound like a retarded /beg/.

>>4274847
you sound like a retarded ngmi with a "portfolio" full of "studies"

>>4273254
Which anime style are you going for?

>>4274845
It’s obvious that you don’t actually produce art or you’d understand that literally every artist uses refs at one point or another. It’s fucking stupid to propagate “no refs” as though that’s an important/good distinction because it makes using refs seem ‘bad.’ When it isn’t. Because EVERYONE USES REFS.

>>4274833
Noted the elbow and head. Regarding the dress, I noticed that I treat some parts of it stiff as a toga and others soft as silk, I think that's why some area's are stiffer and lack creases/stretching, still very new to drapery so I'm just winging it at this point.
I still have no clue how to draw feet hands and hair, along with shading and coloring. I'll need to practice those much more before I'm confident enough to post.
Thanks for the advice anon.

>>4274850
Yep you’re a retarded /beg/. Fuck off your kind is one of the reasons why this board is shit.

how do i draw eyes??? every time i do the opposite eye it goes wonky

>>4274860
What do you mean by wonky?pyw

>>4274853
>>4274859
nobody says you shouldnt use refs and you two can't read. of course everyone uses refs. the point is you need to practice BOTH drawing with refs and without refs. if someone happens to be practicing drawing without ref specifically dont tell them to use a ref. is this explanation simple enough for you brainlets? here's a middle finger drawn from imagination for you, i'll wait until you find good pinterest refs

>>4274855
no problem, keep drawing. here are some small tuts for you https://imgur.com/a/xfAYVmx

>>4274900
>>4274845
I'm glad someone else sees the light. Drawing solely from imagination is (obviously) the most important part of learning to draw from imagination.

>>4274900
That looks like shit, good job proving >>4274859 right.

>>4274947
Yet you will never be able to draw that hand unless you find a reference exactly like it. Post your work.

>>4274947
oh what is that? a quiet snib snib sound coming from behind the closed doors? where's your drawing, still looking for the ref? please art master, show us yours so we can bask in its glory!!

>>4273199
Br...bros
How do I cram a childhood's worth of experience into my arm in a year? So I can draw beautifully.

>>4274959
That's not how that works. Just start now and don't ever stop.

>>4274959
>>4274960
Tired, sorry. It would be better to say build a habit of drawing. You don't want to burn yourself out.

>>4274845
Except you aren't "inventing" the human figure its a recreation based on something that you have to learn and study first. Even if the end goal is to draw efficiently from imagination the most efficient path is still going to skew heavily if not entirely towards drawing from reference until you build up the required visual library.

>>4274787
Yikes past me.

>>4274964
Fucking this

>>4274964
What are you guys even arguing about? Both are important for different reasons. It's obvious that you first need to observe something to draw it. Then after enough observation you can do it from memory. You can't have one without the other. The end goal imo is to be able to draw from memory and accurately observe (not copy) a subject. You need to do both at together, you can't only use reference for x amount of time then go by imagination or vice versa.

>>4274964
Why do these people think that people are supposed to magically know human proportions and the way the human body moves without reference??? People should balance out their imagination and their usage of reference, but the fact that people act as if using reference is wrong when art is about imitating life is beyond me

>>4274982
You look at people everyday. How can you not tell when proportions are messed up? The difficulty is getting it clearly in your head then onto the paper.

>>4274947
have you found that ref yet or no?

>>4274986
I look at myself everyday, doesn’t mean I’m gonna be able to make a perfect picture of myself. The human structure also has a lot of proportion issues that are easy to mess up such as elbow placement, knee placement, head size, etc. nobody should draw from imagination until they can draw from reference with equal success

been lurking for a very long time, i've learned a bit from just lurking but I think its time to man up and post my art. this was for my friend who loves legend of zelda, im pretty proud of it but i feel like too much is happening. is the composition ok? the colors? i will take literally anything i just want to get better

>>4274994
I didn't say you will be able to draw it accurately, but that you can tell when it's wrong. The way I see it is the reference study is the homework and the imagination drawing is the test. The test shows where your gaps in knowledge are so you go back and do more study to fill in those gaps.

>>4274986
If it was that simple then everybody would catch their proportional and anatomical issues before posting but sadly seeing something everyday is not the same as actually studying it and more often then not non-artist and beginners will only be able to pinpoint that something feels "off" at best without knowing exactly where the issue stems from.

>>4274993
kek

>>4274999
Well that’s a fair point. I just thought you were disregarding the importance of reference like so many people do

>>4274999
That's not a bad analogy but by that some logic you wouldn't take a test until you were damn sure of your studies and you'd go back to studying right after that to prepare for your next test.

>>4275004
I disagree, the point isn't to get a high grade on your first time through but to keep a good rate of improvement. This is something you are meant to fail in. You cannot be afraid to fail.

>>4274998
The composition is a bit too busy.
You have something going on with fairly bright colors pretty much everywhere, so it feels a bit draining to look at since you can't rest your eyes on anything.

>>4274978
There is a false sense of pride that goes around here in regards to studying from imagination.
It should be obvious that you should "study for the test" as the other anon put it but in reality a lot of people here frequently propagate the notion that the best way to get good at tests is just to keep taking tests all the time.

>>4274998
Sorry, bud. You won't get any help here. This thread is for people that draw like this >>4274310

>>4274959
There is only 1 solution my friend, and that is to copy every video from https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6vr5gV11oSIstj9mer5AiA with her exact kit until you are good.
Remember this, freedom is the right of the talented and you are not to see the sun until you are just that.

>>4275007
You're right about fear. If you just put of the test indefinitely you're also harming yourself.

please someone redline so I can maybe learn something
i believe skilled anon's redline is a part of learning process so i really please

>>4275012
ahh okay, I figured. so what should i do next time? christmas is really flashy so i thought that was what i should go for. but i guess i should centralize most of the bright colors in one area?

got this today, my path to making it is secured bros

>>4275015
aw thanks, you called me better than /beg/... although i don't know Where i really belong because i think i still lack fundamentals but im not BAD bad. maybe i should post barebones exercises to help with that?

>>4275028
Just leave a part of it a bit darker and less chaotic.

>>4274435
can you explain what the very first step in this process was?

>>4274998
What >>4275012 said, just removing the moon makes it read better imo. Also I would recommend using shadows to make more interest in the composition, you have a few highlights and shadows here and there but mostly its pretty evenly lit. Experiment and see what you can get.

>>4275019
End me.

>>4275047
soul vs soulless

>>4275047
Hey I didn’t know you were serious about this whole art thing.
Go reach layer 100 of attempts and we’ll start talking since Natsu can magically draw without guidlines.

>>4275047
Stop rushing, retard.

>>4275047
How is it so appealing

>>4275043
okay!! thank you very much i will try to darken my values more for composition next time... ive always had a problem wit making things too light. :( i will send my next piece one day and try to make things darker :)

>>4275024
Drop it, no one can’t fix this shit.

>>4275064
i have dropped it, but maybe someone will take the time as a challenge i dunno i am really frustrated and sad

>>4274993
based

>>4274322
can i get some feedback plz. i know i messed up on proportions and perspective but still feel free to rip on me i have no ego.

>>4275064
Can* fucking hell.
>>4275066
If you’re trying to create a difficult pose, just at least use some form of ref.

>>4275071
>can i get some feedback plz. i know i messed up on proportions and perspective
If you know you fucked that up, why are you still here in this thread asking for feedback?
Go and redo this piece, as many times as it takes until you got those things right.

>>4275066
Can you tell us what you were going for with that pose?
That might clear it up a bit.

>>4275024
Ass looks nice

>>4275085
there was no plan, the pose is very random and not even based on the ground
I just wanna know the anatomical innacuracies

ok maybe she is kinda in the mid of a jump

>>4275060
Glad I could help. It's much easier to go from light to dark than dark to light. So it's a pretty easy fix. It's a really nice drawing, it looks like you had fun drawing it.

>doing the Hampton figure video course
>Week 3, head construction
>he starts talking about the Sternocleidomastoid and anatomy
Why the fuck do I need to learn this when I'm using construction methods for the head anyway

>>4275097
What do you think construction is
Kek
Just an abstraction of reality

>>4275089
I don't think it's that bad.
It's always good to try different types of poses, even if some of them might not turn out the way you want to, just keep practicing.

>>4274959
>>4275047
Anon's mind died that day. He could no nothing else but draw in hopes of fulfilling his delusions for no one knew to stop him.

>>4275097
You should atleast learn the very noticeable muscles.
The sternocleidomastoid is very pronounced so he probably assumed most people who are interested in figure drawing are already familiar with it.

>>4275097
ignorant beg

>>4275097
Like the other anon said it's a prominent landmark but it's also just a very convenient connecting point from the back of the ear to the clavicle/sternum so it's also relevant to construction aside from just being a pronounced muscle that you'll almost always see.

>>4275097
Based retard

I was high when I did these. Critiques?

>>4275039
Triangulation using the canvas itself, which puts down the initial lines and points that indicate the larger relationships and proportions of your reference, which should further inform your sketch/construction/more measurements. Copying a reference is about copying relationships, and angles are generally easier to capture correctly than trying to transfer horizontal/vertical measurements.

This does require the canvas itself be a good replica of your reference canvas. You can do this manually by getting the angle of the diagonal first, then drawing the canvas box to fit.

is the 250 box challenge really worth doing? I feel like it's just another way to get mileage and I could get mileage in other more enjoyable ways

>>4275154
interesting, thank you

>>4275172
no

>>4275172
It's an arbitrary amount but drawing boxes is a good skill to have and I doubt you'll fully master it from scratch even after 250. Honestly if you want to really make progress the majority of it isn't going to be enjoyable untill way down the line when you gain mastery.

Ok guys. This is my last drawing for the year, also marking one year since I started to learn drawing and joined /beg/.
I tried to make Krampus as cute as possible, she's carrying a bag full of (dead) naughty people on her back. I was also going to draw her weapon, which is a meat mallet, but I had no time and it wouldn't had fit the drawing anyway. I'm also going to create a monstergirl book page for her as extra art.

Merry Christmas, I'm really thankful for how much /beg/ and /ic/ have helped me in my battle against depression and learning to draw.

>>4275202
Merry Christmas man, have a good one.

>>4275144
Merry Christmas anon! Left is super creative and interesting. Right is clearly a study. I'm going to try and critique in the most useful way, please tell me if it is or is not helpful.
Critique for left:
-Work on line confidence. Check out dynamic sketching on YouTube by peter Han and do those exercises in your free time.
- You need to work on your anatomy. I think you know this. I would recommend studying and in a month, call it January 25th, redo it after studying to see if you've improved. Remember, "Finished, not perfect."
- Work on drawing hands, they're hard and they suck.
- Check out how muscles look under the skin.
How to study:
- Do the Peter Han home work at least 3 times
- Do at least 4-5 skulls from the front
- Do at least 4-5 eyes from the front
- Just Grind hands, do as many as possible
- Finally around January 20th start again and see how you improved. Also don't use lined paper lol. Hope that helped

>>4275202
Great picture anon. Keep fighting and have a merry Christmas <3

>>4275144
Hey, me again! Time to critique the right:
- Honestly it's hard to critique without seeing the original thing.
- Work on line confidence.
- Isolate your light source
- Practice shading techniques
- Fix symbol drawing. Symbol drawing is drawing what your mind sees and not what you actually see. Check the sticky in the beg threads.
The Good:
- You are actually fucking with colour. Colour scares people and although there isn't much, it is good to see you adding some.
- It appears you are at least attempting scale, good. Keep doing that. See how to fix symbol drawing
How to study:
- Line confidence from before
- Practice killing symbol drawing. Drawing from life is good, keep doing, read parts of Keys to Drawing. Do the crossed foot exercise at least twice.
- Do several pages of blending. Just make a gradient with a pencil and see how many shades you can make it.
- Do several pages of blending with colour.
Finally, have fun and don't get burned out. Draw what is fun to draw even if it sucks. Take breaks and draw cartoons sometimes. Drawing AC/DC big balls concert was super fun for me. Hope this one helps too.

uhh

tried to deconstruct this shit and do a front view based on this i think i getting the hang of it and does the red leg is better i think shes not spreading that leg too much but idk

>>4275261
Source for the picture?

I, uhh, found adobe fresco. It’s neat. What the fuck am I doing wrong besides everything?

Proportions are wrong, shadows are wrong, chicken scratch, sloppy lines. Pls help.

What can I do to make this feel more fluid and not weirdly stiff? Some good stuff to add? It feels off. I want to make this as good as I can for my bud. I was thinking about adding a road that goes off into the sunset and breaks up with the mountain.

>>4275267
https://twitter.com/neco_person

>>4275047
The eyes on the left are so cute

>>4275280
horizon lines cutting off the mountains as if in the distance and center the vehicle, also the vehicles perspective is off.

>>4275281
Thanks!

>>4275285
aw fuck yeah I see the car being off centered now. Thanks man. Will look into the car again.

>>4275274
Work more on your construction and basic volumes and don't worry about taking it any further then that for the time being. Keep it simple and work on that.

is there a good resource for getting into drawing mecha and cybernetics?

>>4274959
>So I can draw beautifully.
I read that as:
>I have no control over my hand while I draw whatsoever
What you need is Peter Han's dynamic sketching course. That's pretty much what you're asking for. It's in the video thread. >>4228784

>>4275303
What I forgot to add: you should start that course after you have dabbled a bit into perspective like Ernest R. Norling's Perspective Made Easy which you can get in the artbook thread or here https://b-ok.cc/book/566230/84db88

>>4275298
>is there a good resource for getting into drawing mecha
Seconding this
>and cybernetics
and that

>>4275291
So just figures without a whole lot of detail first? Got it.

thoughts?

>>4275274
THIS AMOUNT OF FUN I AM CURRENTLY PARTICIPATING IN IS BOUNTAFUL AND NEVER ENDING. I AM BECOME PENCIL, BRINGER OF FUN.

How do I get dem slick crisp lines in my lineart? Should I just do them in higher resolution and then lower it?

>>4275451
Vectors

>>4275459
And without using vectors?

redpill me on /no zoom/
does it actually help you improve or is it just a meme?

>>4275230>>4275217

Thank you anon, this was amazingly helpful, I'll take your criticism into account. Merry Christmas to you too. I was on mdma at the time, I feel like that may have affected the linework. But hearing that, I'll now rework on it
Kind regards,
Anon

Gestures.

>>4275274

help? like a magic spell that give you super talent?

you already listed whats wrong with it now all you have to do is work on it. practice.

>>4275261

the red line is better but the leg is much closer than you think. a better way is to do the pose yourself you can feel which muscle turns if you do the pose. I find it easier to learn if I can feel which part of the body is turning when I do a pose. that way when I find a similar pose I don't have to think too much.

new

>>4275542
>>4275542

>>4273731
DTIYS, challenges, simple studies. Even just scribbles, practicing your lines etc.

>>4274096
First try?!?!?!?!

My first try with a tablet was a slightly better than MS paint quality drawing SCP-049 approaching ebola-chan

When i switch to digital all my drawing skills just... dissapear

ranging from line/shading quality to proportions and basic fucking anatomy

>>4273199
Most recent drawing , took around 30 minutes

Help

>>4273346
Thats not /beg/ imo