/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4228089
That sounds easy, I think you could even get there by solely studying chibi drawings if that's all you want.

>>4228092
If it's so easy post your chibis.

>>4228092
Well I've been studying anime and trying to copy images I like for over 10 years and I still suck really bad. Here is an example. Everything is wrong with it, and I can't draw bodies or hands so I just end up always drawing heads. Literally over 10 years of trying and I haven't improved very much at all. It's very upsetting and demoralizing.

>>4228096
I need to see more of your work
Also what tools do you use

>>4228096
>10 years
Lies. There is no way you'd draw the eyes like this if you studied hundreds of animay drawgings. Unironicly some loomis would really help you btw.
Bodies are irrelevant for what OP asked so that doesn't matter.

>>4228096
You need to practice some real life head construction then adjust it to the style you want. No need to go hard on photo realistic rendering or anything. Just the basics, because you don't even have those.

For example, in the drawing you posted, the head shape on the top (our) right is fucked, her eyes are misaligned and not even angled correctly, the eye brows are all over the place, her neck is sticking out of the wrong place.

You unironically need to learn some fundamentals.

> I can't draw bodies or hands

Again, learn how realistic bodies and hands are constructed, then adjust for the style you want.

>>4228089
>What should I be studying if pic related is the kind of skill level I want to achieve?
Nothing

>>4228096
Also, have you done this >>4226121 ?

>>4228106
>>4228108
I draw almost every day and scan all my work. I have over 7,000 drawings like this, all crap. I never improve despite trying to study and replicate anime 100% it always comes out twisted and weird

>>4228114
Post a drawing that you copied from an anime drawing. I can't tell if lack of observational skills is the problem(I hope not)

>>4228113

That's how you become a (bad) human photocopier. Fundies are there to help with drawing from imagination by giving logic to why things are shaped the way they are. If you ever decide to get better and draw your moe if a different pose, angle, or perspective, you're gonna have a hard time without fundies.

At the bare minimum, work on perspective, form, and go from there

>>4228116
I tried to copy these from screenshots of the Ueno-san anime

>>4228119
I didn't say he should exclusively do that(although if that's OP it would probably be enough). The biggest gains at drawing from imagination came from that exercise, not from form studies. That could be because of prior form studies, but I think the exercise in itself is incredible regardless.

>>4228126
*the biggest gains for me

>>4228125
Would you say these are on the better side or worse side when it comes to your copies?
Have you ever done copies of photos/real life? I found copying anime a lot harder than real life stuff because of all the empty space within the characters. How long did it take you to draw these? Lack of patience is one of the biggest culprits when it comes to copies.

>>4228133
They are on the better side. But they took ages and I wouldn't be able to replicate them without looking at the original. I can't retain the original in my mind, I have to keep looking at it over and over. Whenever I try to draw anything from "imagination" or real life it ends up like >>4228096

>drawing for 10 years
>still this shit
you're a compilation of all my artistic nightmares OP

>>4228140
Have you read Dodson and Loomis? Also, did you do >>4228113 ? It's normal not to be able to perfectly replicate something you just copied btw, that's why you need construction as well as that method I linked.

>>4228096
>10 years

>>4228146
Which Loomis book should I use, the fun with a pencil one? Thanks for your help

>>4228150
Fun with a pencil is supposed to be a gentle introduction to a construction workflow, I'd hope you already studied

>>4228152
I accidently posted midsentence, I'd hope you already studied that, but if not, start with that. There are probably some moonrune books dealing with the subject from a manga perspective as well, you could ask around for books like that, but I don't know any. Starting with easy old men is also gentler than immediatly going for anime grills.

>>4228114
>>4228096
What courses and books did you do?
Did you ever tried drawabox or dynamic sketching?

>>4228114
This is what happens when you spend your time drawing simplified moeshit instead of studying loomis. 10 years wasted, lmao

>>4228164
And people on /ic/ made fun of me for grinding loomis heads. Seems like I did the right thing after all.

This guy doesn't need loomis. It's far too advanced for him. He wasted 10 years because he avoided the most basic fundamental never bothered learning how to observe, if he did he would instantly know what's wrong with his drawings.
Learn to make accurate copies first. Thinking in 3d comes second.

>>4228146
>>4228150
>>4228169
Oh yeah I should've said the actual book instead of just Dodson.
"Keys to drawing"

>>4228167
You better post your work

>>4228089
just copy chibi faces and clean up your lines...

>>4228114
Can you post a recording of yourself drawing and explaining your process step by step? It seems like you are not understanding some fundamental things and you're headbutting against a wall. It happens to everyone but in your case there's a heavy misunderstanding going on.
All your drawings in these pages look the same, they're all front or 3/4 shots that you seem to be repeating automatically without putting much thought into.

>>4228202

>>4228218

Since 2013 you still haven't improved. How is it fucking possible a woman doesn't know female anatomy? Use your own body as reference.

>>4228096
LOOMIS

>>4228220
Filename. Also, no I won't post my work, either it will be ignored or you make fun of me, what could I possibly gain?

>>4228114
>he draws only anime heads
>waaaahhhhh why can't I draw anything else
Based double digit iq poster

>>4228262
He said his goal is solely drawing good anime heads though.

>>4228264
What a waste of time

>>4228089
>What should I be studying if pic related is the kind of skill level I
pic related

>>4228089
Please aim higher

>>4228096
>10 years
surely you jest

>>4228093
https://youtube.com/watch?v=6ef_uyqHHfw

>>4228255
The point is to put your in your place you dumbshit. And your place is in the garbage can.

>>4228555
crabs gon crab

>>4228114
>>4228096
explain your process

>>4228125
Are you the guy that said they'd save all the files of the ueno guy on twitter and copy all of them?

>>4228114
>07.08-11.2
>63 pages
nigga, I drew that much in 2 weeks and I still got a way to go. apply yourself

>>4228619
Normally you'd be right, but in 10 years that amount should be plenty to be better than he is right now.

>>4228096
>>4228114
well damn
not all artist are born equal

>>4228114
>studying anime
Found your problem

>>4228114
>all work and no play makes jack a very dull boy

>>4228660
I'm pretty sure this is bullshit. I did 50 hours of copies and got better results.

>stop chicken scratching

>>4228096
>>4228114
you seem to be lacking the understanding of depth and 3d objects

>>4229162
now draw something from imagination

>>4228096
>10 years copying nothing but heavily stylized and simplified 2d images.
>no improvement.
You'd think that after a month with no improvement you'd think "gee maybe all these people yelling at me to draw from life and learn my fundies are on to something."
You wasted a decade of your life being pigheaded, and based on that fact, I assume you will waste the next several decades the same way.

Either read the fucking sticky or give up now.

P.s. If you do the exercises in the sticky every day for a month and still see no significant improvement, it's time to find a new hobby.

>>4229195
Ok, this is fucking cringey and embarrassing but for the sake of people that think that copying Anime will make them good at drawing, I'll do it; fuck it.

>>4229202
I got to this after doing a ton of copies from life but it still goes to show that if you don't study the fundamentals, you'll never really get good at drawing no matter how much you copy.

>>4229208
Do you literally not know how a neck connects to the body?

>>4229202
brooooo noooooooooooooooo, at least you have the balls to admit it so you have my shitty respect for that but yeah anon copying is not enough if you dont full understad what is beneath each line in that animuuu

>>4229212
There's a neck growing out of the shoulder!!! I just realized it...

Robert Beverly Hale is rolling in his grave right now.

>>4229220
retard

>>4229221
based

hey hey, i know theres a lot of good artist on /ic/ but is there any ANIME CHAD OF /ic/?

most of /asg/ are beg tier and /alt/ cant draw an anime face to save their lifes i know that /a/ has his people but i dont remember any from /ic/

>>4229225
What? I'm not good enough for you.

Pic related to how I feel when looking at my old shit.

>>4229241
just think in 3d

>>4229251
3D Anime always looked a bit jarring to me. But those are some nice tits.

>>4229208

use boxes and see the 3D forms, just use fucking boxes

>>4229364
I really like how you drew for no reason over the guy's drawing, mokou man.

>>4228545
>chibbus or chybbus depending on the part of the country you’re from
This guy has to be trolling.

>>4229378
w-who are you, why do you think im that guy anyways, anyone could use a hard round brush so why are you sayimg that

>>4229397
Because you are. Brush strokes are just like handwriting. Everyone has their own way of doing them. That's enough to tell who the artist is.
I'm your biggest fan btw.

>>4228096
>Been drawing for 10 years
>Draws this
My god anon you're giving me so much anxiety
No offence, but I'm seriously terrified of ending up like (You)

>>4229208
stop chicken scratching

>>4229595

>>4229678
Oh fuck oh god please stop I'm begging you

>>4229364
The point was that I wasn't thinking about the fundamentals when I drew this, I was blatantly copying thinking that "after 1,000 hours of copying, THEN I'll be good."

Which is a bunch of bullshit. You HAVE to learn the fundamentals and that means construction and form and perspective and all that other crap.

I don't care how much Proko says that copying is good, I still think he's full of shit. Robert Beverly Hale said that if you can't draw a hand from imagination then you CAN'T draw a hand EVEN if it's in front of you.

Learn to draw from imagination. If you can't draw from imagination, you can't really draw at all.

>>4229199
lol. You're basically peddling a superstition about how great "fundies" are. Most people make better anime head copies in the first couple months than this guy made in 10 years, even with no "fundies" to speak of. Clearly if this guy started studying fundies he'd just go from making bad copies of anime heads to bad copies of Loomis heads.
Maybe not all people are born to be artists.

>>4228096
>Image search
>Nothing
O-Oh shit....

>>4229773
That's assuming that doing copies is actually a good thing when it's not. And also assuming that this guy didn't just draw for 2 minutes every other day for 10 years which makes the "I have been drawing for X years" arbitrary.

The problem is that he hasn't bothered to study the fundamentals and instead just grinds copies. It took me 250-300 hours of copies to realize that doing copies (even if it was from life) is not going to make you good at drawing. Do you really think that this guy actually spent 3 to 6 hours everyday for 10 years and is still at that level--that's literally impossible unless you have a major illness.

Robert Beverly Hale says that you NEVER copy the model, you study it.

QUOTE: These drawings also present another stunning surprise to the beginner: the discovery that the artist does not draw what he sees. When one of Whistler’s students said, “I like to draw what I see!” the artist answered, “Wait ’til you see what you draw!”

QUOTE: I am trying to impress upon you the fact that you can never draw the model with real skill – with anything approaching the skill of the artists in this book – unless you can create figure drawings out of your imagination.

QUOTE: The professional artist largely determines his tones of light and shade not by copying from the model, but by visualizing his model in terms of simple masses, and by lighting these masses in his mind. The tones he sees in his mind’s eye greatly influence the tones in his drawing.

Honestly, just read the damn book. I ignored everyone's advice and spent months doing just copies to realize that they were right. You have to study the fundamentals.

>>4228220
How do you know this mikuanon is female? Sure its not fe(male)?

>>4229225

>>4229912
not a chad but better than the majority of weebs

this guy just were drawing, he didnt understand how to draw
get fucked

>>4229688

>>4228096
>10 years

>>4228096

>>4229912
Maybe in a few years if I get good enough I'll do nothing but study my favorite hentai artists and exclusively draw stuff like this.

>>4228096
When you practice eyes you need to draw them erapping sround the form of the face otherwise you will never improve at drawing them

>>4228114
You need to work from observation more. Focus on the proportions and forms, this looks like you're rushing and not using your brain.

>>4228114
holly shit dude you might have some sort of brain problem. I don't draw but I can still say my skill level is like 3x yours

>>4231050
How should one approach learning to draw with brain damage? Clearly the usual advice doesn't work in this case.

>>4231062
you can try tracing 10,000 anime's. If that still doesn't work, nothing will

>>4228114
doesnt your drawings already resemble the picture you posted for the thread..?

>>4231050
pyw

>>4231114
the last drawing I did was for the tkmiz tribute circa December 2017. did this in like 45mins (from memory)

>>4231139
Right, time to kill myself

>>4231149
nope, It's me who should kms. I wish I had your time and effort

>>4231050
>I don't draw

>>4228114
>drawing every day, over 7,000 drawings, for 10 years
>this
Have you tried reading the sticky?

>>4228089
you are already replaced by ai

>>4231172
does drawing a piece every 2-3 years counts as actively drawing?

>>4231175
Yes it does you fucking retard.
I spent 1 year on 1 piece once

>>4231177
by that logic you mean almost every human being on the planet is active drawing. doodling a map to tell a direction to someone will count as actively drawing.

>>4231180
If he know how to draw a good map and have enough knowledge then yes

>>4231177
PYW i want to see what took you 1 year. That better be a fucking masterpiece

>>4231160
Kys then, or draw and get better

>>4231205
B-But you guys will laugh at me!

>>4231215
I would kms but I have a good paying job that kills virtually ALL my time. I might resume to drawing in the future after my retirement

>>4231222
By then you would rather kill yourself than draw.
Just find a comfy job that let you enjoy your hobbies instead of doing a job that kill your soul

>>4231205
Put 500 hours into it, what do you think?

>>4228114
This is what the definition of insanity looks like

>>4231205
Here, fucker, now pyw

>>4231821
This is pretty hliarious not gonna lie.

>>4231551
You wasted 499 hours

>>4228114
>Mfw I'm entirely this autistic and would have done this had someone not insulted me on DeviantArt
Thank you NarutoxSasukeOTP98. You've led me down the right path

>>4231869

>>4231872
Despite commiting 50% of the work, only 13% of the time used for all drawings is done at the beginning

>>4228096
>>4228114
This is your brain on /asg/

>>4228096
t.super /beg/inner (started art last month)

>>4228096
Talentless

>>4232669
Talented

>>4232669
Explain your process for making these changes. Can you break down exactly what you did and why?

>>4232669
This thread shall be archived as absolute proof that talent is real.

>>4229251
Anime isn't like 3d. That's why you have games like fighterz where they have to distort the 3d models so that they will look like the 2d drawings otherwise what you end up with looks like toy story. Anime perspective is usually exaggerated. And you can see the right side of the face even though you're looking at the left and that shouldn't be possible.

>>4232728
He was thinking in 3d. That's all.

>>4229202
twas soooooooooo difficult

no one starts last month and begins red lining others' work the next btw

>>4232967
How???

>>4232995
But I badly want to be good at drawing.
Re-redline me if you don't mind.

>>4233005
We both know you're role playing anon

>>4232999
you mean drawing that pose is not difficult?

>>4232967
Not him but how do you instinctively know where the folds in the clothing are? What resource did you use to figure it out?

>>4233053
I didn't know a level below /beg/ existed, but here we are.

>Everyone can learn to dra-
>sees this thread
>oh

>>4233084
Yes, yes, very well, very well. So... Folds and drapery how to?

>>4233125
Feel it out bro. You wear clothes right?

>>4232967
>>4233179
Why do professionals lie to us and say talent doesn't matter?

>>4233224
All good artist I've seen say that talent is indeed real.

>>4229595
>>4229688
That you're worried at all is a good first sign. This happens when you have no self-reflection and interest in pushing yourself. At some point you'd notice that you're not progressing how you'd like and naturally would want to seek the solution.

>>4232732
Why do people keep spouting this bullshit? How do you even explain anime figures?

>>4233316
i think you mean figurines. they dont look like the cartoons. thats how that works. when these cartoons were designed they weren't using 3d models to make sure their drawings were perfectly consistent from every angle. the character is a slightly different shape from the front than it is from the side. they have imperfections built into them. its charming. i prefer that actually. but what im saying is they call it 2.5D, games like guilty gear and fighterz. they use a 3d model and depending on where the camera is, they distort the model so it will look like the drawing, because if you just use one model, its not gonna look like the drawings. because the artist who designed the 2d version wasnt really so concerned with perfection. this isnt an opinion. i dont understand what youre arguing about.

>>4233328
pic related

>>4233329
I can also post a bad looking figurine.

>>4233253
They say it's real but that it's not that important. You cannot tell me it's not that important if we on the one hand got >>4228096 the nightmare of everyone on here and on the other hand >>4232669
>>4232967
a supposed absolute beginner that is already at this level after picking up the pencil for the first time.
What a fucking joke this life is.

>>4233351
>pencil for the first time
I think there are two kinds of beginner. The ones who actually picked up the pencil for the first time, and the ones that doodled a lot when they were kids and were able to develop critical skills that will help them with learning in the future.

>>4233357
Everyone doodled a lot as a kid, I don't count people who continually drew all their life without guidance as beginners. So no, I don't see how there are two kinds of beginners.

>>4232669
>>4232967
talented and gmi

everyone already knows its impossible to draw anime without going to japan

anything else is a goal of "wanting to sing in anothers voice"

there is no drug or study that will make you a mangaka

you must go there; the isle which was bombed and learn from sensei

>>4228096
trying to understand what angle were you aiming for and whatever this style is. if it helps you're drawing like i used to in middle school, when i didn't draw from life or even copy anime but just doodle shit from memory

>>4233362
i drew a lot until age 14 and then completely stopped, literally the only thing i doodled was lines and squares, and at 21 i was way better than most of beg after three weeks

>>4233423
Same here.

>>4229208
Don't even pretend that's not pretty good. Thumbs up. Keep at it and you'll be the Chad.

>>4233455
lmao. don't disillusion the poor guy.

>>4233455

>>4229208
Blog? How are you so good?

>>4233346
lol ok... can you post a good one? no.thanks for making my point for me.

>>4233395
cute

>>4229225
We had one but he left a few years ago because /ic/ was toxic and internet stalked him too much

>>4229220
It's still pretty good anon! Live and learn. I love it.

>>4233466
Compared to what I can do it's impressive. I'm not telling him to look for commissions.

>>4233053
not him but folds are 70% instinct and 30% experience