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4219628 No.4219628 [Reply] [Original]

How the fuck do I study? I keep reading and following these books but nothing's clicking. It's all just confusing and I still suck ass.

>> No.4219631

>>4219628
Can you observation draw?

>> No.4219639
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4219639

>>4219628
https://drawabox.com/
If you draw like shit, you will be discouraged from continuing to draw, best to study the basics, and later go on to more fun things.

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4219641

>>4219628
>Want the same kit as someone else.
>Have to think about canvas size, sensitivity, and the tablet settings on top of skill level.

>> No.4219682

If you can draw what you see well then you got that part down now you just gotta understand what is going on underneath and what it looks like in 3d just try to figure out how a shape changes in perspective try to understand what it looks like under the form.

Try to also know how YOU learn cause in general people learn differently and it takes trial and error to figure it out personally just drawing what i see doesnt help sometimes i gotta learn what the subject looks like in different perspectives and then understand how it is turning in those perspectives

>> No.4219748

Just keep reading; don't ever draw. In fact, make another thread on how to draw in the style you're looking to achieve.

>> No.4219770

>>4219628
>weebshit
Here's your problem bud

>> No.4219773

>>4219748
This. drawing is for losers. Just read and watch. Do you gut fish to learn fish anatomy in biology? No. You listen to the teacher. Do that. Don't draw. It's a waste of time.

>> No.4219780

>>4219773
Exactly this OP. Make sure to watch speedpaints on Youtube as well. But for fuck sake, never touch that pen. Don't even think about buying print paper

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4219785

>>4219628
Shut up and feel the form.

>> No.4219788

>>4219628
Just gotta take your time absorbing a concept, trying it out, before gorging yourself on the rest of the material. Most of the time, art books teach you stuff that you're meant to practice over a long period of time. You don't just read it and then know it. You gotta try what they're saying and fuck up at it.

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>>4219770
>on an anime website
>on a board designed to learn to draw anime
>complaining about weebshit

>> No.4219810

>>4219809
I have nothing against real anime, i hate weebshit

>> No.4219967

>>4219628
HAVE YOU PRACTICED THO?

>> No.4219970

>>4219628
It's just gonna feel like that for a few months in all likelyhood. part of the process.

>> No.4219992

>>4219810
>real anime
>weebshit
What did he mean by this

>> No.4219999

rinse and repeat. if even 1% of the books sticks then that just means you have to read the book and practice 99 times more

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>>4219785

>> No.4220332

>>4219639
What do you mean? What basics, for how long. If I am understanding you correctly it seems me you are saying to just focus on studying and not draw things the things like to draw, correct? If so won't that be what will burn you out. How can drawing what you like burn you out. I am not saying not to study, but imo studying needs to be done with drawing for fun. Otherwise whats the point?

>> No.4220456

>>4220332
drawabox's lesson 0 (which explains how the resource should be used) explains that you should be spending at least half of your drawing time on just drawing for fun, drawing the things you would draw if you had all the skills already. so yeah, you're right that not doing so would cause burnout (among other problems), but the resource agrees with you on that.

>> No.4220641

>>4219785

who drew this?

>> No.4220643

>>4219748
>>4219773
This is the worst advice you could ever get. You absolutely want to be drawing on a regular basis.

>> No.4220789

>>4220643
Drawing will just hurt ones ego and self esteem, something that should NEVER be done and is counter-productive to the visual-audio memorization learning technique of true /ic/ students. Even picking up a cheap piece of none written on printer paper could set back a student YEARS, even decades if their not careful.

>> No.4220798

>>4219785
>Fags will say thats a 30 sec drawing

>> No.4220799

>>4219628
for me it was always small parts i learned while doodeling.
From feeling the form, holding the pencil and so on. Just draw and ask questions if you see a style you like.

>> No.4220845

>>4220798
It is tho wtf. I can do that in 4 seconds with both hands tied behind my back.

>> No.4220849

I mentioned it before in another thread but find the course:

https://www.nma.art/courses/a-beginners-guide-to-drawing/

It's literally everything I ended up figuring out myself that I had to learn. This is really it for the basics. Though this course alone should take no less than 6 months.

>> No.4220868

>>4220849
>inb4 someone watches the whole 18hr course in one sitting and whines about how retarded /ic/'s suggestions are

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>>4220868
I would actually suggest doing that the first time around just to get familiar with the course. Then rewatch and actually take the videos seriously.

Take notes, do the exercises everyday... I don't have a doubt in my mind that you can't at least be able to draw competently going through this course.

You'll eventually learn that all drawing is is the ability to render light and dark. I'm simplifying it greatly but that's the biggest takeaway of the entire course.

I don't know, it helped me though. I had to actually figure out 70% of the shit on that course since no one pointed me towards it and I just ended up filling in the gaps.

I'm extremely curious as to why this course isn't considered a better resource than something like Loomis since I found Loomis distasteful and not very helpful in learning how to draw (besides the "think in 3D" shit which I learned way before I picked up Loomis and threw it in the trash.

>> No.4222383

>>4219785
Reminds me of Prokos fetus

>> No.4222681

>>4220888
What specifically do you dislike about Loomis excluding FwaP?

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>>4222681
It's overrated. People keep spamming him everywhere like he's a god at teaching how to draw when his books are basically another meme book.

There are far more better resources to learn how to draw (which teach all this crap) in the Video Courses Thread than in that monotonous textbook.

I actually expected that it had the knowledge to take people out of /beg and put them into /int just by the way that people talked about it. Very disappointed how overrated the book is and ended up deleting it after reading to page 20 and then skimming through the rest.

It's all shit that's better learned elsewhere. Stop spamming his books here.

>> No.4222977

>>4220332
>for how long
Until you understand them in your drawings and when actually drawing and can start to progress using your noggin with that basic. Like working out how to turn a box on your own.
>study and not draw things you wanna draw
do not do this. do both things. start your day with some fun to warm up, study, then end day with fun putting study to use. If you wanna have some fun and not study that day, have some fun but think critically about what you're doing.
because you are correct, what is the point if you're not having fun, and you're much more likely to retain knowledge when you have a vested interest in it

>> No.4223143

>>4220643
You do realize this anons are just poking fun at op being an idiot right?

>> No.4224068

>>4219770
:(

>> No.4224090

>>4220888
>You'll eventually learn that all drawing is is the ability to render light and dark. I'm simplifying it greatly but that's the biggest takeaway of the entire course.

Isn't that essentially Dodson's Keys to Drawing in video form then?

>> No.4225775

I'm in the same position as you, whenever I try to make studies of something I've never drawn before I always end up overthinking about whether the studies are gonna pay or or not and it's so goddamn annoying. I've tried doing rendering studies but I always get intimated by how complicated and hard said subject I'm trying to paint looks.

Should I be writing notes alongside studies to help me memorize them?

>> No.4226002

bump, good posts so far

>> No.4226121

>>4225775
The best studying method i have come across is:
Look at the picture intensely for like a minute. Then try to draw/paint from memory. Then study it. Then do it from memory again (without looking at your study)

>> No.4226129

>>4219631
Not op but i can and struggle with nothing clicking. Why?

>> No.4226137

>>4220332
Drawing what i like burns me out because they never result in something satisfying to look at

>> No.4226142

>>4226121
this, forcing memory to work for you is incredible useful, it is like using anki cards but for visual memory

>> No.4226373

>>4226121
This is a more easier method!
Draw the same thing over 100 times, then draw it again 100 times but from memory, this is more useful than this memorization shit that can only teach you how to draw an object in a certain angle/color/value ect you get the idea. Mileage is the key

>> No.4226894

>>4219628
Make up your own assignments,like after reading a chapter of a book do 20 drawings/paintings of the process it describes.

>> No.4227107

>>4226373
repeating the same thing over and over with no rationalization is not really efficient, if you want to make the best of you time you need to be analitical of what you are doing, the guy making 50 drawins and learning from each one will eventually learn more than the dude draing 200 like a xerox machine.

>> No.4227145

>>4227107
He never said to not focus when you’re drawing from the reference but in all seriousness only drawing from imagination is stupid, you’ll never really learn what your subject really is if you don’t take the time to draw what’s in front of, your eye won’t be well trained. Not to say what you said >>4226121 in this post is entirely inaccurate, it’s good to do from time to time, but not all the time.

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>>4226121
Thanks. I’m trying to learn how to properly render water but I keep getting confused on how to start out painting it and whenever I do the initial blocks of color it looks like shit along with me worrying about forgetting what I learned when it’s time to apply my studies. I’ll keep your advice in mind for later

(Pic related isn’t mine, just one of many examples of how I want my liquids to look.)

>> No.4229473

>>4220641
I'm going to say Vilppu, or an anon who really loves him

>> No.4229481

>>4219628
theres a channel of a school that does sketchbook tours of its students, i figured it would be an interesting idea to take note of the exercises they were being made to do.

>> No.4230751

>>4219628
If you don't understand anything, why not just search up on google "anatomy poses" and just trace over them and see if you start understanding them, or go onto youtube and search for videos, even though imo a solid 70% of the people on there don't know what they're talking about, the other 30% is genuine useful information

>> No.4230790

>>4229481
whats the channel?

>> No.4230831

>>4219628
Congrats anon! You are finally at a stage where you recognize that you suck and want to get better.
Learn perspective first before you even attempt to learn the body. Books like Perspective Made Easy and Peter Han's Dynamic Bible should get you to a good understanding of perspective.

After this you'll want to copy (not trace), and deconstruct your animu drawings. Then draw them from imagination/memory. Try and get your pictures 1:1 this should help your visual memory.
You shouldn't start with Hampton, Hitokaku, Vipplu, Loomis, etc. early on imo because in order to read those books you need to WANT to understand them. People who understand those books are at a level where they want to take art further and are interested in understanding the body and not just the "git gud" aspect of it.

Sorry anon i could've wrote this better and had the perfect version of this paragraph yesterday but i accidentally pushed the back button and it got deleted. I raged for 2 minutes at that and forgot about it later until today..

>> No.4230835

>>4230751
Wow, why I never thought about this?

Traced 3 pictures from google and now I know anatomy.

>> No.4230845

>>4229481
channel name?