/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

had a art request thread abit ago. someone said i need to do the learns and draw skellys. so here skelly

>>4184524
There's no construction and it's not anatomically correct, use a ref next time.

>>4184515
I hope my colorblind dude makes it

>>4184535
keep at it dude

i lost all ability to draw.
i don't know what fucking happened, i just cannot draw a face anymore and that was honestly the only thing i was almost good at fucking doing.

My shit just came out looking like the OP pic and I feel like I can never draw again, like I never could in the first place. It was all a lie, I am a fucking fraud.

I'm watching Steve Huston draw gestures right now.

How the hell are these people so good at drawing from observation? How do they decide where all these forms go and how tall/wide they should be? Drawing from observation to me means measuring and plotting marks and drawing contours.

What am I doing wrong?

>>4184589
Years and years of experience. To paraphrase something he says in one of his courses "You won't understand how to draw it because you haven't drawn a 1000 standing poses yet. And then when you finally have that's great but what about a sitting pose, you'll have to draw a 1000 of those"
You'll simply learn proportions among various other things as you put in the time. The more you study something the better your eye will be and the more relations between things you'll come to learn and to a certain extent adapt to your own tastes.

>>4184601
so you're saying that I should carry on with visual measuring, plotting landmarks, etc?

Dont have any artsy friend that im close with so ic is where i can post them. This is for an art game btw, feel free to critique and happy halloween you guys!

>>4184605
For the most part that is correct as long as it won't devolve into copying I.e "This line goes up a quarter inch to to the top left'" you will get naturally get better over time.
You could try to memorize some basic relationships like saying "A torso is a 3 by 2" or 'The legs are half the total length of the body etc.

>>4184612
Okay I'll try that. So I'll do shit like mark the top of the head, bottom of the chin, pit of the neck, but do the basic forms as if I'm designing them? That sounds simple enough but seeing how artists capture the likeness of people really intimidates me, especially work by Disney alumni.

>>4184616
That sounds good. as far as the basic forms are concerned it's good to analyze them for specific quirks but you should feel free to recreate/design them yourself. It's important that they are correct in their own right not so much that they are an exact copy of the model.

>>4184515
Kek, color blind anon

Redrew one of my older drawings

>>4184572
Sometimes you just have shit days.
Take a break and get back to it tomorrow.

>>4184572
you didn't lose your ability, improvement is a constant ride of peaks and troughs, what tends to happen to me is that I start getting really good at something through hard work and effort, then I start to get complacent and go into cruise control and then my "skills" appear to go down.

Just remember, art should never be effortless, it might LOOK effortless when pro artists draw, but it's not, they just have a more streamlined way of thinking. Never go into cruise control!

So i’m reading how to draw by scott robertson. How important is learning mechanical perspective to be a good artist?

How do I know if I'm symbol drawing?

>>4184747
really important if you want to draw mechanical and man-made things. QUITE important if you want to draw anything else (the theory you learn will help you drawing virtually anything) but if you want to draw organic things (characters, animals, landscapes etc) then you'd better spend your time learning basic perspective and then training your eye from drawing perspective without tools and guides (but you should learn the technical rules before you do that)

Ernest R. Norling's Perspective Made Easy was absolutely the most useful thing I ever read about perspective, but I don't do mechanical architecture drawing

>>4184750
if you can't tell, you probably are. You should be aware of the nuance of the things you're drawing as you're drawing them, otherwise you're probably symbol drawing. As long as you are considering perspective, form and weight etc while you're drawing you won't draw symbols.

doing draw a box, trying to rotate
did I get it right?
I know the boxes are clashing against each other but i was just trying to get the rotation down, and looking at it I could've place the vp's so the rotation was more extreme but eh

>>4184806
No, they just look like they're getting further away.

I tried to do some gesture or construction not sure which one it is
. From my head how does it look l?arms look darker because im trying to get a better understanding of the muscles i think. Not sure if is good or bad. What do i need to work on besides the head neck torso connection.

>>4184713
Which is the newer one, anon?

>>4184757
What does symbol drawing looks like? Cubism? Like, the artist knows a nose should be there, and an ear there, but can't quite grasp how perspective of lighting affects them so they're like a collage pulled from other works that don't quite work together?

>>4184891
To a degree it's something like you described, there is no one way that it looks but it's very obvious when you see it. It's like the artist simply has a predetermined idea of what things look like and instead of obverving the actual shape and characteristics of, say, a models eyes, they just look at where the eye is, and maybe how big it is and draw "an eye" (ie. an almond shape with iris and pupil, and lines on top and bottom), they don't see the individual qualities of the models eyes.

But often a big giveaway is that they draw features totally flat without any kind of perspective, like if they draw a face at an angle they might draw a flat (straight on view) generic nose because they haven't really learned how to observe the nose as a 3D form made up of many different parts.

>>4184806
read the whole excercise. You should be drawing the wireframe, not faces.

>>4184885
No need to be so mean, he did improve a little

>>4184903
I seriously can't tell which one is the new one, anon

>>4184906
the left one has slightly improved forms. I'm guessing this is only a few weeks of progress though. So I don't blame you for now being able to tell.

>>4184906
Lol, my bet is on the right one

>>4184713
It reminds me of kino

>>4184906
>>4184903
Yeah I'm also not sure to be honest. I actually thought the right one was the new one but I wouldn't dare bet on it.

When will I be ready to draw shit from my imagination or by having references?

>>4184922
gonna be a long as time anon, buckle in.

>>4184923
im tired of tracing

How do I stop noticing incredibly minor errors nobody else is likely to see unless they figuratively took the time to put it under a microscope?

>>4184885
The right one

How’d I do

>>4184929
pretty good, nice colours and values, careful with your initial drawing because the proportions are a little fucked. And look into edge control, that will take your painting to the next level.

>>4184935
You forgot to mention the nose is completely fucked. There is no actual form there.

what do if my computer is in the middle of the fucking living room and is awkward for me to draw with a nude lady/dude in my other screen?

>>4184941
Move it?

>>4184885
RIght one's the newer one

>>4184917
It is

>>4184911
Could you explain why the left one has better form?

>>4184943
I cant...

>>4184937
valid point, but I think my other points addressed it.

I forgot that it can be fun to just draw whatever you feel like drawing instead of practicing this or that

sorry bros, I give up...

fuck its so cold I can't draw for longer than 5 minutes without my hand getting so cold it goes stiff
my fucking window is broken I dont know what to do, I wear this glove but its so awkward drawing with a glove on

>>4184572
Anon... Anon... it's not your fault.

>>4184924
Well Aside from occasionally perhaps drawing construction over something to analyze it you shouldn't have been tracing in the first place.

>>4184961
Soak your hands in some warm water beforehand and make just to be generally clothed warmly.

>>4184941
Realize that you're an adult or at least of an age that can act with some maturity and that it really shouldn't be awkward to draw the human figure for artistic merit.

>>4184988
but my pp also gets hard

>>4184924
You shouldn't be tracing at all, dud. Tracing is a valid skill for pro artists in a time of need, but there is no excuse for a beginner to be tracing.

In fact, I almost missed it, but you asked when you can start drawing with references, the answer is NOW. you should be drawing with ref already.

>>4184997
>>4184980

Some anon told me to just copy and paste an image of someone or something and then tone down the opacity and try to construct the shape of the thing with simple shapes.

Been doing that for about 5 days already, 1-2 hours a day. Really want to get to draw people and clothes I'm sick and tired of drawing shapes on perspective.

>>4185001
That's a decent exercise but it's absolutely not all you should be doing for days on end. You'd be better off doing maybe 3 drawings like that, and then 1 or 2 from reference.

Passable quality or no?

>>4185005
Alright I'm done for the day (have to take my nephew out later and my wrist is dead) so tomorrow I'll start drawing actual things and not cubes and cylinders.

>>4185010
IT's really important to draw actual fun things along with studies, doing nothing but studies all day is going to make you hate art and want to kill yourself. Just find a good balance.

How do I get better at perfectly connecting lines? They always either end up looking disconnected or you can see extra line weight on where the pencil made the connections.

what's wrong here

>>4185009
you only leave them like that because you are afraid to ruin them
Avoiding practice to feel good about your 5% complete drawings seems pretty NGMI mentality to me.

>>4185026
dunno where to start

>>4185028
Wait are you saying that If I actually tried I wouldn't be that /beg?

what im lacking of? painting? drawing or both?

>>4185026
well, for one, the fucking head. but i just feel like everything's out of perspective.

>>4185034
Forehead

>>4184994
Maybe if you stopped drawing naked dudes then?

>>4185034
The ability to flip your canvas.

>>4185034
human head isn't a circle

>>4185029
>>4185035
please say everything if you are willing guys
I really wish to improve and I realize I polished a turd but I think one needs other people to help him with seeing the flaws

>>4185043
but im bi

>>4185034
Drawing for sure. You gotta learn how to draw before you can paint so take some steps back on that.

>>4185046
its just you're style :^)

>>4185047
I guess you're going to have to draw ugly people then.

>>4185028
I deleted the drawing out of embarrassment xd.

>>4185021
imo you shouldn't have transparency on line-art anyway so this shouldn't be an issue.

>>4185057
The drawings are good. They aren't increible but you should be graduated from /beg/ tier soon. You desperately need more confidence in your lines. Try to focus on studying and practicing line weight

>>4185021
Use broader confident strokes and fade out your pressure at the junction points if you need to connect then

Just a few figures I did today.

>>4185067
Thanks for the advice. I’ll be sure to work on my line weight.

>>4184562

>>4185026
Phone poster here, i think that the pose overall is unnatural so i did my best to fix it. I'm a beg myself so Don't listen to me

>>4185026
did you use a 3d model?

>>4185026
One of the hands look smaller than the other

>>4185156
you went for a completely different pose than his, and your pose is incorrect too

>>4185163
True, how'd you fix it, anon?

>>4185160
no i only used this reference

i think my biggest mistake was relying too much on it, copying, and incorrectly at that

>>4185167
Bad shooped pic+you tried to fit your style still copying yet not appropriating the ref. Common mistake, anon, but I believe in you

>>4185165
Its too cold here to be drawing, hold on, let me get set up
>>4185167
damn, this changes a lot of what I thought was incorrect, looks like wonky perspective on the ref is the biggest offender for this drawing

Tried the upside down exercise with Alice. Worked pretty well I think

>>4184515
how does this neck look

this looks off so before going any further i wanna know what should i improve here
I have a feeling that something is wrong with the chin but I dont really know what to change

did this during class...

>>4185356
looking good

sorry if the image quality is too unclear ill take another one if asked, ill be uploading the subject with this

>>4185356
is this from ref or imagination?
why are you in the /beg/ thread?

>>4185359
heres the subject

>>4185167
Try using videos like these for reference. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFdWIm4ygpM
Seeing how someone can be posing while balanced is all well and good, but knowing where a gesture comes from and goes to is crucial.
I could say some anatomy things, but gestures come way before knowing where and how the muscles work.
Also remember to ask questions to yourself like "if the pressure is on this foot, how does this impact the rest of the body?"

Been doing these studies recently, constructing beforehand to the best of my ability, admittedly not as much in the first two, as in the last two. I would appreciate some feedback, I haven't done anime studies before.

>>4185051
Useless

>>4184515
I do wonder if using a different background helps, that and doing arms and hands have always been a problem for me. And the curse of drawing the same clothes.

saw a dog walking home. It looked tired as fuck, so I drew this for ze feels

>>4185443
Thin red lines on white background might in general be unwise, as they can be hard to make out. In your case, the shapes are somewhat recognizable because of the many, many lines you've drawn on top of each other. You should practice being more confident in your lines, and doing longer single strokes when necessary. This will improve the general look of your artwork a lot.

>>4185446
So I should use thicker lines? What would be a good background color to go with red?

>>4185110
cleaned it up just a bit

>>4185450
I'd focus mostly on doing fewer, cleaner lines - working on this seems to be your main priority. Rose red is fairly bright, so a darker background instead of white would make the lines easier to interpret. I would not suggest using bright colors for contour however, as you are trying to implicate darkness with your lines - just draw black on white.

I feel like the brush I am using for line art looks like shit. It's just a default round brush with Pressure for Size turned on. Am I doing this right or is there some other way to do this?

>>4185514
the lines look pretty good anon, keep at it. I’d recommend making the line weight slightly thinner around the face so it’s just a bit more delicate.

>>4185514
Use thinner lines and vary your line weight. You can also build up your line thickness by going over your strokes multiple times, instead of a single swoop (you can see a few mangaka doing this, like Hamada Yoshikazu), it'll look more organic that way.
Also, mess around with your minimum size and pressure curve settings to find your sweet spot.

>>4185535
>>4185536
Thank you for the compliment, I actually scrapped what I was doing earlier and just made the brush size bigger, I think it actually looks a bit better when the lines themselves are bigger. Though I will mess around with the minimum size and pressure curve settings, this was very helpful.

>>4185483
I actually use to do black on white for a long and wanted to switch things up. But yeah, the lines have always been a major for me and I really need to work towards using fewer lines.

>>4184572
You should go read some keys to drawing anon. It's helping me with my rut rn

Tried that upside down drawing exercise in the sticky. How'd I do, Icee?

>>4184515
when drawing, how do you maintain line symmetry? my brain has this bullshit where I can't draw even two eyes symmetrically right. Is it just practice?

any tips?

>>4185711
Work your fundamentals

>>4185711
The head still isn't a fucking circle.
Worst part about /beg/ are the fucking people asking advice on every piece they make but never listening to any advice given to them.

supposed to be self portrait but I think I messed up the middle part between the torso and the waist and also the shoulder?

>>4185711
More seriously, do loomis heads. Open pain with a pencil (actually fun with a pencil) and do em loomis head. Do em and again, The head isn't a ball, anon

>>4185817
Your proportions are off. Look at this pic and learn your head proportions. You've got a nice linework though

>>4184515
trying to do arm to torso connections, any crit would be helpful,

>>4185831
thank you. Is this relatively universal for both male and female?

>>4185839
You can have the proportions for a woman in heels here. Things can change but it's basically the same thing.

>>4185877
resize your shit my nigga

>>4185855
>ideal proportions"
>shoulders 1.5 times wider than hips
i didn't know Loomis was a fucking irishman

>>4185855
loomis was kinda low-key gay

Bit too late to realize this pose was too similar to yesterday's.

It's supposed to be a dude falling of a ledge because a swarm of bees is chasing him. How did I do? I feel like the back muscles and ass are weird.

>>4185949
heres a good practice for realistic poses

try standing like your pose for more than 5 seconds
just like that
right on your tippy toes with your arm reaching behind your back
just 5 seconds

>>4185932
He had a daughter

>>4185987

please help with this
tried pose from imagination

>>4185985
I'm not trying to draw realistic poses but thanks for the insightful input.

>>4186009
>draw realistic women
>"logically I'm not going to draw realistic poses either"
forever suffer from your art looking slightly off to normies

How do I learn how to feel the forms like Papa Vilppu (may the Lord bless him)?

Whenever I try his process (which is both aesthetically immaculate and seems like the best way to avoid drawing flat drawings), I cannot *see* these shapes and forms that he talks about and draws. I don't see 3 different spheres in the ass... just 1 round ass.

How can I learn to see these forms? Is it a matter of knowing they exist and drawing them even if you can't see them?

I cannot fathom how to walk towards this level.

>>4186020
yes, study anatomy, study it a lot, as much as you can
as well as 3d forms
you dont see real life people who are right in front of you as a 2d shape do you? if you do, talk to a doctor about your lack of depth perception

>>4186016
I lied.
I just wanted to reply your snarky comment with a my own. Sorry.

first non tracing sketch. It's so fucked up I don't feel like still going

>>4186043
anon, that was genuine advice
mimic your poses for better poses, make sure you can stand like that for at least 5 seconds, unless its a pose in motion such as running or falling, thats when you can get more lenient
also can be more lenient if, say, she was a witch who could float such as in fantasy

>>4185711
dude stop symbol drawing.

>>4186020
Why is that figure so bubbly? It honestly looks like shit.

>>4186046
You are drawing contours not structure and that's why you struggle.

>>4186095
I'm sorry I don't understand what you mean.

>>4185711
decided to fix this up a bit

>>4186109
You seem to be focused on copying the outer contour lines of the body which is not the path you want to take. Instead you wan't to deconstruct the body into basic shapes like boxes, cylinders, eggs etc and lay those down first. A little like those little wooden drawing mannequins you might have seen.
But before any of that you first want to spend some time learning how to actually draw various three dimensional forms and how they rotate in basic perspective so that you have the most rudimentary building blocks required to construct more complex subjects.

>>4186135
You made it worse

>>4186135
fucked up the lighting, but you get the jist

>>4184959
Give me your adress so I can come to you and kick yo ass for saying such bullshit
>>4184961
Same bro, same

>>4186137
you mind redlining my redlining?
other than the lighting of course, which I have no experience in, usually only do non shaded sketches, cant even use color

>>4186137
no he didn't
proper proportions > shading

>>4185992
maybe this is better

>>4186139
what's wrong with giving up? I'm too bad to improve.

>>4186190
Then give up and leave ic kek

>>4185445
please leaved /beg/

Do you finish and color shitty drawing when you're just starting out?

>>4186367
if you know somethings wrong with it, fix it so it's not a shitty drawing anymore
and then yeah, finish it to the best of your ability
unless its a practice, then fix it in the aspect of what you are practicing, and move on to the next
no need to polish a turd, unless you can turn that turd into something that doesnt resemble pure shit

>>4186192
im into it

soul i guess

>>4185026
LOL Asian body proportions are the problem. Borderline dwarfs. Did you ever see a Chinese Olympic swimmer?

>>4186470
idk this guy looks lanky as fuck, yeah odd proportions, but not dwarf

What landmarks do you look for when finding the ribcage? I'm having a hard time placing it.

>>4186548
Pit of the neck down to the bottom of the sternum where it splits open mostly. The ribe cage is roughly a 3x2 so as long as you have the pit of the neck and a general idea of its proportions in relation to everything else that should be sufficient.

>>4186548
if you run your hands across your rib cage, in the middle of your chest kinds lower down then the nipples, you will feel a pit, just feel it out from there and you should get a general placement of where it should be, from where you feel things, you should be able to make your own landmarks, such as for me the bottom of my rib cage is about an inch above my belly button
the top is right at the clavicles to about 1.5-2 inches inward from the shoulders
this will all be different for someone who is taller or more muscular and vice versa

how do artists do these patterns? No way they draw all this shit by hand

>>4186581
i like how this post assumes im human

>>4186593
I think they're called screens
and it's plastic(?) with the patterns printed on that they place on the drawing, and then they cut it with an exacto knife.

>>4186593
google screentones
CSP comes with a lot functionality for these

>>4186595
I think you typed the wrong url in the address bar, you see this is 4chan dot org and not tumblr dot com

>>4186604
My bad, i didn't expect it to be so massive... Should've taken a ss of it

>>4185034
Your work looks like if someone who actually knows how to draw and and paint tried painting under a time restraint

kinda strange

>>4186604
>dat DFC
Good job fren.

>>4186665
They made The Simpsons yellow and no one seemed to care. You can make it, colorblind anon-kun.

>>4186665
Don't they make glasses for colorblind people?
There was a nsfw artist I used to follow on tumblr (i forgot who he was). He admitted to being color blind and he has his girlfriend help him adjust the colors of his paintings. You might want to stick to the color picking tool in your case and get yourself a friend.

>>4186599
Csp?

>>4186819
Clip Studio Paint.

>>4184607
It's hella cute

>>4186829
Would photoshop work too?

drew some thumbnails and some figure drawings
i know the perspectives are wrong for the backgrounds, i didnt use a grid or a sketch

Figure drawing beg. Pls help

>>4186963

>>4184515
how does one improve their perspective anons?

>>4186966
did this mostly for my own practice, but your figure needs more gesture, and skin doesn't fold like that
also uh is this supposed to be a trap/man with tits, or a woman, or do you not know how pecs work?
I would recommend you (and me too teebeehaytch) study torsos more

I really loved the big hand pointing at the camera but I have the slight feeling the rest of the drawing doesn't follow that angle at all.


Is it too noticeable or can I call it quits like Sakimichan?

>>4181292

Update - only had an extra hour to do junk so I just slapped on a seifuku because im creatively bankrupt.

>>4187049
You like it? I wonder if this is too dirty to be considered serious art, perhaps I need to stop painting over the picture and re-do the lineart in a clean layer. At least I'm getting faster.

i drew this in ms paint with my mouse. I know its really bad but I'm having a lot of fun just drawing whatever I want. Any suggestions on some techniques I should try to make the paintings better?

>>4187231
Is the head traced ir drawn by copying outlines? Looks really good

>>4187252
no i just used a reference on my other monitor

>>4187151
i think it looks neat anon
like an author sketch you'd find in a special edition manga volume

>>4187231
well if this is your very first drawing, this is a really nice starting place for a beg
tyhe colors are pretty on point and the proportions are nice, especially for mouse drawing
I wish for your level of precision with a mouse

the obvious first advice is to get a drawing tablet ASAP, a decent (for a beginner) one can go for 20$, about the price of a nice meal, that, or attempt the more expensive in the long run traditional art route involving markers, pencils, and a scanner or expensive high res camera to prevent spergs from sperging out about shitty camera quality (honestly, just stick with digital)

other than that, study shading and attempt some drawings from imagination and use refs until your imagination matches similar quality and proportions of your ref drawings (more complicated than I probably make it seem, this will probably take you years to perfect)

Need help with drawing faces.Does someone knows a good tutorial or has some advice

>>4187288
L O O M I S

>>4187288
I think it needs more gesture, look into vilppu

>>4187288
Stop Drawing faces for now, learn basic fundamental drawing skills and come back to faces in the future.

I feel like the way I'm orientating the boxes is off.Idk if I should just give up on this.btw the reason why I'm drawing this at a snail's pace is because I've been busy with life stuff

I swear I can’t make anything appealing

>>4187288
Is it greta thunberg?

>>4187320
get waterproof markers first

>>4187280
Not my first drawing, but probably by far my best lol. Here are the other ones i've done https://imgur.com/a/XO0xk1Z . I'll look into getting a tablet. Thanks for the reply

>>4187288
Don't worry about the details of the face right now, learn the fundamentals first but also draw faces/heads from reference for fun on the side. Try to understand something new even when drawing for fun.

>>4186192
Get rid of that fur tuffed on the crotch, it's distracting and looks out of place.

Spent probably way too much time trying to fix the pose, but I can feel the slow progress. Critique please. From imagination btw.

>>4187691
I like the face. Keep at it, we need more coom for the coom god.

I really like this, which means i am delusional
please help me, what is wrong?

>>4187731
Finish it including color and background. I grantee you will hate it then. I know from personal experience. But honestly, good luck.

Feels uncanny, dont know why.

>>4187231
Did you colour pick?

>>4187822
its the outline of her lips. or his, not sure, are these tiny lines supposed to be facial hair? also what is that chin.

>>4187151
I like how the thumbnail looks, quite soulful. Mature your technical skills + cleanup skills and you might get big some day. Just don't lose that energy on the way there

>>4187087
If that isn't a bubble butt I don't know what is.

What's the most foolproof resource on figure-drawing? It doesn't have to be simple, just something that has no chance of me misunderstanding it or leaving me stumped.

>>4187982
hampton

>>4187982
I feel like Steve Huston's NMA video series does a great job of breaking it down in a practical and understandable way.

>>4184572
It'll be okay anon. It'll all be okay. Just don't give up.

>>4187731

okay I made some changes how is this now

bros how do you find motivation
really hard to find motivation to do anything because you know it's gonna look shit

Does anybody get lost working on a drawing? I have a sketch I'm satisfied with, and I have it open on PaintToolSai, but then I don't know where to go next. I've made so many pieces and for every single one I just have this period where I'm lost and I don't know how to continue. Block in colours? Approximate shading and lighting? There's so much to do but I never know where to begin. I try watching speedpaint videos to see how other artists do it, but I still feel so unsure.

>>4188041
This is all just a a matter of developing a workflow you're happy with which which come from studying from photos or other artists work, and seeing how other artists approach these stages.

>>4188016
>>4187731

>>4188045
what
can you help me please

>>4187971
thanks?
I dont usually draw characters from behind so asses are relatively new territory for me. I'm horrified at the idea of drawing the backs of the feet.

>>4188051
Not him but it looks good very dynamic.

Theirs nothing glaringly wrong that I can see anyway, I'm pretty /beg/ though, if i had to nitpick though: Her nose and mouth lines look borderline profile despite her head being 3/4.

I imagine this is a stylistic thing but her top wouldn't wrap around her breasts like that too.

>>4188062
This is clearly not beg.

>>4188068
thanks

>>4185363
I tried this too

>>4184713
seek help

>>4185955
Yeah, they are weird. Torso looks stretched. I tried to fix it a bit.

5 minute gestures any critique at this level or should i just keep going at it

>>4188095

>>4188096

>>4188098

>>4185167
You copied without understanding what you're drawing. You need to study more figure drawing in general.

>>4188039
I may be autistic but does the process of learning and grinding not motivate you? does the thought that you are improving yourself, ableit painfully slowly, not make you wake up early in the morning from the excitement building up even in your dreams? does the act of getting the ball rolling not make you stay up until exhaustion just sitting there drawing for hours?

I need someone to make a really motivating post, something that will get you into the mood of drawing no matter what so that I can screenshot it and then paste it on top of a generic landscape wallpaper to look at whenever I close my browser to do dumb shit

>>4188126
Everything is predetermined, human effort is ultimately meaningless and the only reason you are stronger than god is because he doesn't exist.

If you think about it long enough these are good things and very motivating.

>>4188128
I've thought about these things for a long time, longer than you have it posted here, and they are not motivating
I dont mean they'll make me give up, but they feel empty and "just is" rather than saddening or motivating
it feels like "well if it's destiny, then the motivation should come anyway if it was meant to be"

>>4187700
Everything about it is shit.
Or, to be more positive, you have excellent potential to improve!
You should study some fundamentals. Like unironically read Loomis. If that sounds too boring, I'd suggest you at least spend some time copying photos of naked women instead of drawing them from imagination. You can compare the reference and your drawing to see how badly you fucked up, and hopefully develop some sense for what a human body looks like.
Also, you aren't impressing anyone by ignoring hands and feet. I know they're hard to draw, but try anyway.

>>4188016
This looks pretty good. The positioning of the arms and hands is maybe a bit off, especially the one that's behind her.
Also she's off balance, but that's not really a mistake if she's supposed to be frozen mid-kick.

>>4188131

Well, ultimately motivation is a fairly limited resource. What you really need is discipline which is harder but ultimately more valuable.

The only problem is I can't really offer any advice other than "Just do it."

One thing that helped a lot for me though is time tracking, helped me move from drawing an hour a day to 6-8 hours. In a way it game-ified it but also allowed me to try lots of different things and tangibly see if they worked.

It's tough for the first few months but its been almost 2 years at this point and its basically automatic and every productive hour of my life is tracked.

>>4188136
Boring.
Also 4K resolution. Resize that shit.

There's tons of resources for fundamentals, perspective, shading, etc.
But how do I actually learn how to draw a simple line
How am I supposed to hold my hand
How do I get myself to not trail off
I can't even trace things properly without redoing a line 30 times until it looks about right

>>4188145
drawabox.com has good exercises for this.

Dont do them autistically, just a few every day and you should get better pretty fast.

>>4188144
Bummer.

>>4188141
ah yeah the jerry seinfield calendar method?
the one where you try to make a chain combo of consecutive days in a row and it gives you motivation to keep the chain going?
I thought about doing that but I don't have a calendar and it'd end up being more of a hassle to make and keep up with that and because of art I feel uncomfortable wasting paper I could use for drawing, even though most of my art is digital now anyway.

>>4187151
I love this. Wouldn't change a thing.

>>4188155
https://toggl.com/
Does everything for you, even has a phoneapp if you're drawing on the go.

>>4186173
great back arch, chicken thighs, knobby knees.
try visualizing your ground plane anon

>>4185955
work harder on retaining your proportions in perspective

Do you use a ruler or other devices when drawing?

>>4188232
Dont do much stuff that requires a ruler but if I need one i'll use one.

>>4188140
hm i tried to fix it all

>>4188250
Good improvements.

>>4188232
no, I only use my eyes and the drawing tools of choice for the drawing
I don't draw backgrounds

>>4188232
For drawbox exercises or if I'm trying to learn something new just so I can more quickly form a point of reference

Almost everyone on digital abuses tools.

>>4188280
Doesn't drawabox preach line control?

>>4188286
Yes but in certain exercises it calls specifically for a ruler for every line.

Gonna finish these tommorow but I'd like some advice, specifically the hands on the far right one, they're wrong, I know they're wrong but I cant tell why.

Any other crits are welcome too.

>>4184607
>>4184713
leave beg

>>4188294
1. When blompf tweets something mean
2. When someone criticizes Israel
3. When Hillary fucks him out of being nominated

Good job though desu

>>4188299
Doesn't really seem appropriate honestly?

>>4188299
do i hop into your server or what?

>>4184535
that's REALLY good
you should seriously feel proud
my work is disgusting

>>4188099
>>4188098
>>4188096
>>4188095
Keep at it, all i can suggest is try to make some time to add shapes to convey the hands. As you keep working on these 5 min gestures you'll soon find time to add shading and face detail within the time limit. Good luck!

hi

>>4187826
No i just chose colours that looked similar too the reference and then just shifted the colour value for the shading.

why is /beg/ filled with people who have actual talent while im too shy to post my shitty middle schooler tier sketches

I can't even fucking draw like this anymore reeeeeeeeee

>>4188369
then stop posting the same drawing week after week.

>>4188372
It's been a few weeks but ok.

>>4188311
>>4188309
im telling you to leave the thread not to join a server.

>>4188365
Because they’re not beginners but if you’re anything but amazing on here people will shit all over you and tell you to go to /beg/. Also there’s a lower standard in here so they can feel like big fish in a small pond. I don’t care since they can actually give good advice/critiques whereas if we were all totally beginners then every critique would probably be retarded and wrong.

>>4188386
yeah you're probably right
should i post it anyways?

>>4188250
Left foot looks tiny.

>>4188394
why do you need the validation of an anonymous extranger on a taiwanasse image board, grow a pair of balls unless you choped off like a fucking tranny in that case just off yourself, nobody cares, post it or dont it makes no difference you are irrelevant and so everyone in here you massive faggot.

I keep hearing "Loomis makes head construction easy" and the fact that I'm still struggling with it makes me want to put a gun in my mouth.

I draw the ball.

I extend the line down the middle.

I "chop off the sides" (this is still a little bit of guess work)

I extend the jaw.

Then as I'm adding features, things get fucky and nothing looks right. The features don't look right where they're placed.

I have no idea why it's happening. It's really disheartening that I can't figure out why it isn't coming together, because I've put in 20 hours the last three days alone and it just feels like I'm spinning my wheels.

>>4188504
Post some of your heads.

Honestly can't say I mastered his method, but I did start drawing heads by using it. And I still needs a lot of guesswork for the face to look right, in my opinion. It's half following his guidelines, half saying
>Yeah no this looks bad I'll adjust it a bit

I'd focus on waiting before drawing the jaw. First do the whole circle thing with ovals at the sides, do the eyes and nose and guess where the mouth is... and then draw the jaw. Because otherwise you're trying to place features in a very long face and it might look bad

>>4188504
you need to understand that loomis, like thousand other methods, isnt a list of steps you can follow blindly and suddenly youll get a perfect face. its not a recipe. its someone’s proposed look at how to construct 3d forms and planes that create the human head. andrew loomis came up with his own method of simplifying the construction but he didnt invent anything new. its all just good old perspective but shown with a sphere and some lines. it could be a box or a cyllinder for all it matters, the effect would be the same: an *illusion* of 3d form with proportions of human face on a piece of paper. you need to understand the form itself first and foremost; whether youre using loomis or someone else doesnt matter. look at some ref photos and try to find your own simple 3d shapes. they dont need to be the exact same ones loomis proposed.

>>4188504
Post a loomis head without features so we can see.

>>4188504
Don't follow the "method". Learn what the basic proportions are like so you know how to check your work. Draw lots of heads from reference to build up an intuition for how to draw them. Then make up your own method that works for you.

Chicken scratch aside. Which legs look better on this creature? 1 or 2?
>inb4 both are shit
i know

>>4188686
definitely 2

>>4184515
>practising ghosting
>follow instructions about using shoulder, not wrist
>best case lines are always ever so slightly not straight
WHY IS THIS SO HARD?!

>>4188318
Thanks anon, atm I Am following steve huston course, now doing just head & torso gesture i will go through the limbs, hands and feet in few days hopefully :>

>>4188822
checked, and yeah for all of them.

>>4188827
From my understanding, its like lifting weights for the first time. Stabilizers and shit will kick in, but only when you make that focused effort to do it correctly. Do it in consistently timed intervals with breaks, even if you don't feel tired. After while though, this sort of thing should be practiced second hand by drawing 3d forms. And just lift weights anyways, it will help.

>Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, or you literally are never going to make it

I'm not really looking for any specific crit, but any input would prob be more helpful than I realise from here.

>>4188807
nice, i guess. Did you use any reference?

>>4188807
If I were you I’d make a habit of cleaning up my drawings. Mistakes will be super apparent to you that way

>>4188776
>>4188095
More torso & head gesture study
5-3 minutes

>>4188849
Trying to focus on model and volume only it's so hard to ignore details, gotta work harder :>

>>4188850

>>4188853

>>4188854

>>4188849
>>4188850
>>4188853
>>4188854
What is figure drawing without the full flowing figure?

>>4188855

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I wanna be good already
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>4188858
one step every day, day by day, you cant jump from manhattan to new york in a day, you have to walk just like everybody else sitting down and admitting defeat only leaves you sitting there, stagnating

>>4188347
cute yuuka

>>4188300
kek, ty

>>4188856
He's doing mist likely timed gesture drawing. You draw whatever you can and need for the time you have. You don't have to draw the full figure.

>>4184515
I would like to be able to draw cartoons with a sense of solidity to them, like the construction-based loomis ones, but I can't even make heads like the basic ones in Fun with a Pencil.
I can't figure out where to reliably place the circle contour lines to really look 3d, and then the features I add don't really seem to fit on the face very well.
If I keep practicing this stuff for like a month will I eventually be able to draw simple characters with construction, or am I just doomed if I can't draw a sphere with basic division lines intuitively?

>>4188935
I would likely take a step back and just focus on the absolute basics for a while.
Drawing boxes cylinders etc and working on your basic perspective.
You'll have a much easier time if you go back to your current subject matter after that.

Will drawing super small on the page inhibit my progress? I have shitty writing posture and crab grab my pen real tight, so I find it hard to draw larger, smooth gestures.

>>4188963
Yes

>>4188963
what the fuck is a crab grab
look at pencil holding styles and force yourself to hold it the correct way, might take a month but it's worth not developing arthritis in your early 20's
after you break into holding the pencil correctly, start drawing from your shoulder or (easier) elbow, I find I dont really have to switch my grip from shoulder drawing, to elbow drawing, to wrist drawing, majority of my drawing is also done from elbow because of the smaller size of my tablet, but thats still 10x better than drawing from purely wrist

>>4185445
You don't belong here go to the intermediate thread. Loved the toon btw good shit

>>4188896
wtf kind of gay ass /beg/ response is this, you want to capture the full figure in seconds every single time, not construct blocky chunks of it, that would be something else

>>4189088
He also said it was 3 to 5 minutes which seems like plenty of time to get the full figure in

>>4189088
>>4189091
I want to do full figure but for now I’m focusing on just torso and head don’t fight please next time I will do whole figure

>>4189097
No anon, this is war.

>>4189088
That's what Huston said. Good job calling him a /beg/ you mongo

>>4189104
I'm better than Huston.

>>4189108
>backpedaling

>>4189110
How can I backpedal if I'm a different person.

(also how is that even backpedalling)

>>4187691
HUE/10

25, 2 minute heads and 20, 2 minute gestures. I still feel just as incompetent with gestures as i did a month ago even tho its one of the first things ive starting doing. What am i doing wrong? Heads also look tarded.

New bread
>>4189158
>>4189158
>>4189158

Is there any book that can explain one of this?

At fist it looks simple but the perspective is crazy at the point that i dont know where is going but i still can feel rhe 3d movement