/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4180932
Oh shit, it's finally out after ten billion merch videos

>>4180942
Yeah I think the trailers showed way too much, and some of the cuts are awkward. Most of the jokes are swear word swear word.
Overall it's decent.
But I wanted to hear opinions on the animation and hear suggestions from others on indie animators. Or web animators.
I'm just excited for long gone gulch.

>>4180932
Not as bad as I expected, there are some continuity errors and a lot of awkward fast cuts that don't register. Story is kinda bleh and the edgy faggot humor doesn't help but whatever, it's great seeing someone's vision come together.

>>4180932
This is too much. Animation is a mess - fbf in flash/after effects, so I'm sure it was as painful to animate as it was to watch - pacing is a mess (holds on some shots way too long, cuts awkwardly on others), writing and character designs are too much. The colour palette is too saturated, too contrasting and the shots aren't exactly composed enough to make it work, they're a mess.

I quite like the BGM. VAs do their best with that terrible script. Nice that an indie project managed to finished something, I suppose.

was super excited for this but feel like the teasers gave too much away
the pacing was AWFUL, the sound effects are really out of place, and some things are over animated. I also feel like this was written by someone who hasn’t done drugs or anything “edgy” before but thinks it’s cool, kinda like when i was a teenager.
it’s great to see her passion project come to life though, and the deviantart tier character design is super nostalgic to me. still super excited for more and it’s only a pilot

Man, I have difficulties finishing a single high-stakes painting, but to me, this is over half an hour of thoroughly impressive, inspired, quality animation. I'd very much like to congratulate the creators.
Actually got distracted sometimes in watching the flow of the beautiful gestural forms, since I've been trying to capture this, too.
By the way, I never heard of this till you posted it. I think the snake guy's my favorite.
Oh and to answer op's prompt, I'm not an animation student, but I actually couldn't see any flaws at all.

>>4180932
Looks like it was made by a furry.

>>4181106
it was 100% made by a furry

>>4180932
This is horrendous. As if a deviantart sparkledog/furry "artist" was given a decent budget to do an episode. Complete eyesore, and of course it's full of the overtly smug smiles they love to do.

I like smug smiles. Am i a furry now?

I'm going to say it has soul

>>4180932
I think my least favorite character was the red and black deer guy.
>my oc is the most powerful demon evar!!!
>he's the strongest and can defeat anyone!1!
>he always looks happy but don't be fooled if you try pissing him off you'll regret it.. hehe..
Aside from that, the animation (while competant in some shots) tended to be very over-animated and flowed poorly from scene to scene. There was never enough time for the viewer to register what was going on.
Between the complicated sparkledog character designs and shitty pacing/animation physics, it actually started to hurt my eyes (I unironically had to stop and take breaks sometimes).

Final verdict: not that great, but could have been worse.

>>4181182
>he always looks happy but don't be fooled if you try pissing him off you'll regret it.. hehe..
Aren't that just the female equivalent of dream waifu?

I like some of the character designs (like this one I studied) its odd though, it sometimes felt like they went off model in their own show. bit inconsistent and overanimationa/choppy editing, but not bad for what it is.

>>4181188
Good point. The radio demon character does seem to be the designated 'husbando' character of the show.
He fits the stereotype of 'edgy gentleman' you'd see in Black Butler or something.

>>4181085
You couldn't see any flaws? Not one?
Not even the eye blinding colors and fucked up perspective shot?
You know what let me spoonfeed it to you.

>>4181222
based, nice trips
this car segment busted my sides

>>4181222
Holy fucking kek
Trips of truth

>>4181085
Don't mimic vivzie. Her movements and pacing are shit.
She over designs her characters and the writing is shit.
Lets not forget blinding shades of red with a red background on her red characters.

>>4181222
holy shit

>>4181192
>>4181235
im this fag. I think I'm going to study shiyoon and jin kim instead, alberto mielgo when i start painting.

>>4181246
Much better.

>>4180932
I like the blue werewolf one more.

>>4180932
Radio Demon's voice is actually so well done holy fuck

>>4181282
That's because Vivzie copied a few shots frame-by-frame from other animated movies (Oliver and Company, We're Back: A Dinosaur's Story, etc.).

She can't into timing/pacing, so she 'samples' others work. I think she even flat out admitted it at one point.

Posting god tier art.

So smooth!

Did he get shorter?

>>4181314
yes.

It just sucks seeing people eat this shit up. It's not bad but there really is nothing special about it other than the fact that its LOUDER than anything else made in a while. Its got that same stupid tumblr/deviant art bait style that closet furries and freaks love to eat up.

It's not strange to me theres an audience for this after seeing so many edgy pseudo retro shits blow up like - 5 nights, Undertale, Mystery Skulls, every fucking annoying webcomic etc. Its fucking infuriating that the formula for success is to make your project as loud and annoying as possible. I shouldnt be getting mad at this anymore but jesus christ i feel old.

>>4181340
You're not alone anon. It's like Invader Zim all over again. If it makes you feel any better/younger, I was there during the Hot Topic cartoon era of the early 2000s and also hated it.

>>4181222
I don't get it. Is it because it's CG?

>>4181347
Your eyes are broken anon. I need you to think about the perspective of the background.

Now think about how a car would move into frame in that perspective. It would go straight. With you not seeing any of the top of the car.

Why is it that this car is dipping low then rising up close to the camera. It's not coming from a hole in the ground or a low point. A car is not supposed to arc that way on a flat surface.
This car is taking off into space not driving on a flat ground to pull up next to the mansion.

Tldr it was dragged on the screen.

Redesign time.

>mfw people unironically watch this smug lol_so_random original_character_oc_dunotstel shitfest

>>4180932
I'm really glad something like this was able to be made. But honestly I'm probably not gonna watch it, I don't think I'm the demographic at all and half an hour is a long time for me to watch something I'm not into. Still, really cool a project like it happened. This and Shrek Retold seem to be good signs for collaborative stuff online I think

>>4181367
Very cute and much more pleasing to look at.

My only minor nitpick is that I think the original poodle-like ear shape looks better than the new plain round ones.

>>4181388
I think there is still too many dots. Make them bigger and reduce the amount.

>>4181367
unironically, i like your redesign a lot more. post more please.

>>4181409
This isn't mine it's just /co/ redesigns before the show dropped.
I can redesign some if anyone has an image.

>>4181354
It only look that way because the camera is panning down right?

>>4181413
Id assume so, they just didnt know how to handle it with the camera and didnt think of the pavement as a plane properly. Im not even sure why the camera is panning down in the first place. Since it doesnt show the top of the hotel, it contributes no information

>>4181413
Jesus fuck no anon that's not why. Look at it. It is literally dragged onto the screen.
The car is arcing into the shot. Not sliding in. It starts higher then goes lower then higher again.
The camera movement may (may!) account for the top of the car. But not it is not natural. They fucked up the perspective.

>>4181419
who cares, it's a tmblr toon for angsty teen girls with rape fantasies

Feels lack of modelsheet man

>>4181415
>>4181419
I think I get it, it's because they're basically stitching together 2 different pans.
A 2d pan for the handrawn background and a 3d pan with real perspective shift for the CG car. The result is that the car doesn't align with the ground properly as the camera pans.
But I don't think it's THAT bad, compared to the other shit in the movie, like the character designs.

>>4181421
Nigga you're on /ic/.

>>4181428
The character designs are cluttered as fuck and the colors are god awful.
But it's Vivzie so that much is expected.
The perspective is new, and it's shit.
She has two notable perspective issues. That and the spider getting his drugs stolen.

I havent watched it but i find the art style really unappealing. It looks like some 14 year old girl's deviant art account on steroids

>>4181423
kek
also you'd think for being a princess of hell she'd be surprised by less stupid shit, feels like half of her expressions are just surprise

Was excited to shit on it here but it's not bad actually. Watch and judge yourself.
VA on that wolf char is aufull tho.

Absolutely revolting

I liked the snake guy and that's about it. He was fun.

>>4181222
The car was clearly animated first by someone who spent a lot of time rotoscoping a 3D model. The shot was probably just described to him/her as a simple camera pan down so they did just that unaware that the pan should be done 2 dimensionally by keeping the perspective stationary. Then again I don't think they were even giving even a rough layout of what this scene was supposed to look like in the first place. Honestly not as big as a deal as what you guys are making it out to be. Especially since the scene right before has a continuity with the girl taking her shirt off then having it on again for a split second.

>>4181842
There's a lot of continuity issues. But it was to point out something obvious.

>>4181367
You basically removed details making it easier to animate, thats all

>>4181885
It also makes it easier to see what the fuck it is. I actually missed the torso in the first one cause there's a lot of shit going on around there. The second one is way easier to parse.

Do you actually prefer the first one? Disregarding ease of animation?

Red

>>4181367
ngl i feel the neon green should be incorporated somehow, maybe making the nails and accessories that color?

unlike everyone here i actually kinda like the edgy dumb designs, i just think they dont lead themselves to animation well, i also like the gestures, but thats about it

>>4181897
The neon green is too eye gougingly bright.

>>4181894
Hot

>>4181894
You can just tell this is Vivzie's husbando.

Is there a Tomar Emerald hidden in this?

>>4180932
Soulless

>>4181964
Even if this is the current meme buzzword, I do kind of get that feel from it. The balls-to-the-walls exaggerations and details, omnipresent manic grins and bright colors really don't leave any room to breathe for any of it to seem "special". They're elements to be used sparingly. It makes every character seem like a slightly different flavor of neon vomit 2000s edgy sparkledog.
It's a weird sort of overstimulation, nothing about the cartoony expressions and strong gestures comes off as natural or genuine because it doesn't feel like a necessary thing, as if these drawings are purposefully overacting all the time and if they ever lose your undivided attention they will be executed for it.
It's like keys jangling right in my face set to an orchestra of vuvuzelas.

>>4181423
Why does she look like a dog from the side view? That's a pretty big (and albeit unique) design flaw.

>>4180932
Desperate.

>>4181973
I thought that puppy dot nose was an intentional design choice

>>4182019
It is. She’s a furry creature. Basically a dog demon.

>>4180932
Sensory overload, but it's not bad
It has more personality than Steven Universe for what it's worth

This reminds me a lot of this
https://youtu.be/DPdMkwLYL3w

>>4182196
>https://youtu.be/DPdMkwLYL3w
>the nostalgia critic
holy shit I forgot he existed

>>4182196
>nostalgia critic without hat
that was the real nightmare fuel.

>>4182207
Uh Oh are you ready to get raped anon?

>>4180932
Maybe i have really slow standards but i liked it alot. But it gives me that feeling like it does or would have end up with bad fanbase on par with something like homestuck undertale fnaf or something similar but not sure why.

>>4182252
Because it thrives off that fanfic type of humour. The kind where it prioritises charisma over actually comedy.
The type where it isn’t really aiming to be funny, but rather aiming to create scenarios where the characters are just supposed to look cute for the camera.
At least that was my impression. Nothing was really funny to me, it just came off as “omgz his reaction was so CUTE *squee* oh, I mean haha that was so funny haha”

>>4182252
>Edgy setting
>Shippable characters
>Self insert bait
All it needs is a better story, and the fanbase makes itself.

>>4181955
you may never know, because the hidden tomar emeralds would make one being too powerful to contain in a mortal realm such as 4chins

>>4181192
>>4181246
learn some vilppu too you faggot

Unironically dripping with soul. There's many problems with it,like continuity, overdesigned characters, overanimated things and story is mediocre, but it certainly looks interesting and fun to watch. Voice Actors are definetly top tier

>>4182263
You've managed to articulate what I subconsciously felt about a lot of tumblr-popular shows.

All characters looks the same, have the same shape and same color scheme. This doesn't seem much of a problem in stills and concept art but it's a mess when watched in motion. The inconsistency between animators doesn't help, neither

>>4180932
This show feels like Foam Adventure if it were a cartoon.
https://youtu.be/PLmD_69pXpk

>>4182519
God damn, it's been years since I was last subjected to this torture.
But that nails the edgy 2000s DeviantArt emo/scene feel of it quite nicely, yeah.

So this is what happens when the edgy deviantart Ocs makers from my childhood become adults and start their own show kek

>>4180932
The art style is nice but I dislike the heavy pandering towards the Deviantart/twitter crowd by making every character sassy, gay or both.
The premise is interesting, but I don't see why the princess of hell would be so heavily contrasted with every other denizen of hell.
They shouldn't have revealed her parents so early, I wanted their appearance to remain a mystery until later.
I don't too much about animation but some scenes just felt fast with too many jump cuts.

>>4182707
She’s deviantart artist. She’s not pandering that’s just how she is.

>>4180932
It's honestly very impressive art-wise for an amateur effort. It's filled with off model moments and bits of wonky animation, but for an amateur team this is highly impressive. I have to applaud them just for finishing it.
That said , the biggest thing holding it back is the writing.
Vivzie needs to learn how to kill her darlings. There are so many characters in the pilot that could have been cut that would have made a stronger first episode. The story of the pilot is flawed on a structural level, there is no build up, and the overarcing story is weak and poorly focused. I could never tell how far I was into the pilot at any time watching it, new characters were introduced 5 minutes before the end. The unfocused story would be fine if Hazbin Hotel was a purely silly, comedic cartoon relying mainly on jokes, but it's not. It wants to focus on story, and unfortunately that story is weak.
The short is supposed to be about Charlie, but the first scene after the into focuses on Angel, and then after that we get some stuff about the snake guy. Neither of these characters are necessary to Charlies story at all, and Angel hardly even has anything to do after they enter the hotel. It's clear these characters were only included in the pilot because the creator loved them, not because they belonged there.
Hazbin Hotel annoys me because I can SEE a decent pilot in it if they just focused the story, and cut out 2/3rd of the characters.

>>4181897
no neon green

>>4180932
I'm happy for them. I mostly enjoyed it.

Seems like a Tumblr project that got enough effort and time put towards it to actually produce something solid. Most Pilots arent this well animated.

And if it's ever picked up for a show from Netflix or whoever, they'll certainly have them tone down some of the character designs (at least for the background characters). Still I could tell that this is a passion project and it's a solid step towards the making"Making it" this board likes to spout.

>>4182749
And here's a spergy revising of the story
>Start with a scene that establishes Charlie as the optimistic but naive go-getter so we can understand her personality.
>It's the first day of operating the hotel, she and her friend are trying to be optimistic about it. Here we can introduce the hotel staff while making it feel natural
>They start bringing in demons and they wreak havoc. You could introduce Angel and some other guys here
>Charlie realizes she is not as capable of this as she thought
>Radio demon guy enters the hotel and offers to help, Charlie reluctantly agrees
>The Radio demon brings in his henchman and they help manage the hotel at first, they help control the guests and things seem to be looking up
>However, the radio demon starts to abuse his power and uses it to harm guests. Maybe he summons evil monsters and transforms the hotel into a hellscape
>Charlie has to believe in herself or something to go confront the Radio demon and force him to give her back control of the hotel. Maybe she uses her happy fun times to coax him into being nice, so she can take him out while his guard is down and reclaim her position as boss
>At the end, Charlie has become a more confident that she can do what it takes to run the hotel, and that her ideas of rehabilitating demons with fun and smiles really will work
This idea is far from perfect but it has a character arc and a story with a beginning, middle, and end which is a lot more that Hazbin Hotel has. Please just let this be a lesson to you d/ic/ks who want to tell stories with your art, don't just study drawing, study stories too. There are fundamentals to creating an interesting and coherent story just as there are fundies to art. Read/watch and analyze a lot of stories and analyze how they work, and try writing some of your own. And please please don't be afraid to kill your darlings

>>4182771
Kill your darlings?

>>4182772
It is a saying that you shouldn't have scenes, characters, etc. that you personally love included in your work if it brings down the quality of the work as a whole. Say you have a character you love in a story you are writing (for Vivzie, Angel is one of these characters). You really love this character but you cannot find a natural way to fit the character into the story. Instead of just shoving the character in unnaturally because you like them, you should remove them because it will make the story better.

It could use some work, but I really enjoyed it.

Hopefully if it actually goes anywhere it'll improve, just look at the SU pilot.

>>4180932
I was ready to hate this, but it came off as refreshing.

Some complaints though involve the character designs sometimes having too much going on, which makes the screen look cluttered when two or more characters are on the screen. The animation oftentimes was messy but it's understandable with such a small team. The jokes heavily relied on a lot of cussing but weren't cringey at least.

The concept is fresh, the main character adds a nice comedic contract the world we're introduced to, and the voice acting was pretty solid.

I dunno /ic/ I think I give it a thumbs up

>>4180932
Voice acting was decent but Charlie the main character is boring as shit and I didn't like her voice or the voice actor's singing at all.

It's really a busy animation and failed as a pilot IMO. Would've been better off just devoting this much effort and energy into making a short movie on youtube instead of this imo.

>>4180932
Animation is smooth, but too much visual clutter and bright colors. Also, there should be more tension in the story. What else is she afraid of, besides being made to look like a fool? Her hotel closing down? The possibility of a malicious demon gang raiding and destroying her hotel? But the art and plot seems to be more interesting than the average calarts cartoon.

I think the main character would be better if she was a bit less naive and go-lucky and maybe more cautious. The premise has a lot of potential to be interesting. There's an enormous amount of character development that's possible with a story that essentially revolves around rehabilitating violent criminals or villains and turning them into allies.

https://boards.4channel.org/co/mblr

>>4180932
What are the odds of this show getting a completely make over if it gets picked up by a major network?

The god awful colors will HAVE to be toned down and the character designs will have to be simplified to make the animation easier if that wwould be the case...

>>4180932
Animation was terrible.
Felt like something lost from the mid 2000's. I'll admit, i only laughed once during the entire thing and that was when Alastor introduced himself to Angel Dust.

it has decent voice acting.

>>4183279
ngl just watched it for Mick and Tomar

>>4183310
The Va for radio demon did a great job

>>4183310
Wtf i didnt know mick and the jew had roles in this
brb watching

What ive learned from all of these youtube-animator-starts-an-animation-project things is to just not care because you will be disappointed when(if) it comes out unless you are a middle schooler. Hellbenders never came out after years of work, Long Gone Gulch was incredibly cringy and janky not even mentioning the voice acting, Too Loud i was excited for because Zeurel worked on it seeing how hes pretty good i thought there would be something interesting to see but its just libcrap written by a jew. You guys know HBruna just outright removed all his cartoons and turned into a porn loop animator? SpeedoSausage too, Gonzossm just works on his game from what i know, Oney and Zach do oneyplays and zachs podcast or whatever. What the hell is going on anymore

>>4183325
It's just not viable to do this stuff for money. For a passion project you need lots of time and care and you're gonna have to cut corners if you want to get close to breaking even. I think it's really dumb that people try at all without having achieved a stable and easy income doing other shit like animated porn loops for example. That's my plan at least, spend half a decade working on some shitty porn game for patreon bucks, and when I don't have to worry about money I'll then start working on stuff I like wtihout expecting a profit.

Unrelated, but it's pretty sad to think that you could spend a tenth of your life on a particular passion project only for people to not care about it after a short while. Unless you make the best of the best, your stuff will just be erased in a generation and no one will remember you. The only thing we can do is enjoy our craft and push ourselves to make it as good as possible.

>>4183330
They were pretty popular, could have easily raked in lots of cash if they continued doing what their "passion" was... what i think happened is they just got tired of doing it because it led them nowhere personally, Chris even said one time "ive come to the point where i just cant animate anymore i dont find it fun, i want to be a director so that someone else can do what i say". Its just odd, youd think their passion would increase, theyd get better and reach out of bounds to bring something new to the table over and over again but as soon as there is something commercial going on or some sort of funding starts it falls apart. Only one i can commend right now is Max G, he is evolving what he does and he seems to enjoy doing it very much while getting a fair monetary compensation for it

>>4183325
Oney’s making a game baybee

>>4183572
He's been making a game for 30 years, doesn't look like it's coming out any time soon

>>4180932
I fucking loved this. The gay pornstar is my favourite character. I love the aesthetic and how much movement and life there is without feeling like recent Spongebob.
I can't wait to see more.

t. Vancouver Animation School Alumnus

>>4183325
Everyone's sense of storytelling is warped by TV. When Newgrounds was popular, no one knew what the hell they were doing and came up with a unique style of entertainment but now that people know more about technical software shit and animation, they've moved on to copying TV. There's no point in trying to compete with TV though because it's still more convenient than web cartoons.

>>4183644
>t. Vancouver Animation School Alumnus
>a fucking leaf
>le animation school maymay
>student debt + shit curriculum
Anon, I...

>>4181970
This, but for me it is a positive thing. It's so deliciously self-indulgent and dripping with passion from a group of people who had what appears to be an enormous amount of fun.

>>4183662
I took a gap year and have zero debt and I was happy with my teacher/course materials.
Here is a sample from a project of mine.

>>4183644
>>4183776
This. I really loved it. Felt a bit humdrm lately and it spiced the world up again for me. Feels like something I'll remember every once and a while and come back to re-watch bits of again and again, too.

>>4181367
i'll post a couple i saw on /co/

>>4183644
>>4183776
This. I really loved it. Felt a bit humdrum lately and it spiced the world up again for me. Feels like something I'll remember every once and a while and come back to re-watch bits of again and again, too.

>>4183918

>>4183923

>>4183924

>>4182772
>>4182780
i think a more accurate phrase, at least for me, is 'save your darlings'. you can recycle things you don't use into things down the line. you can have it all if you pace yourself and give each element the time to shine without being crowded

>>4183925
thats all i got
people really did not like radio demon's...thing.

>>4183923
This is actually really nice.

>>4183821
You paid tuition for this?

>>4184428
Depending on the job he wants, that might be enough

>>4180932
My animated cartoon will be better. Just you wait!

>>4181400
>striped hyena
>remove stripes
Why

>>4183821
>a fucking sonic clone

The animation is very decent. The designs are quite bad apart of the radio demon. The characters look like cut out and pasted when standing as a group since they're inconsistent. The humor is simply embarrassing and cringeworthy, overall it was extremely boring to me and I had issues watching for more than 10 seconds straight.

As other anons said, it's great to see it come together but the writing is beyond terrible and it feels like it will soon be a kid favorite. Wasted potential imo.

Also I get the feeling it desperately tries to live up to the "adult cartoon" term with sexual jokes, poor dark humor and swearing. Sex drugs and violence being 80% of the content. For people who have never had alcohol, freshly turned 21 and drink a bottle of high percentage every evening. Very embarrassing.

>>4183821
I really hope you're joking for your own sake anon. The splash is the only acceptable part. I know just too many people who have gotten memed into "art schools" with teachers who have horribly low expectations.

>>4185018
Is that supposed to be a hyena? It looks like a fox or dog.
Also she gives literally everything stripes.

>>4182518
What the fuck is going on with that hair.

>>4183821
anon...

>>4183821
>>4185223
It depresses me that, the majority of the people at my college's animation program did worse stuff than this. Art school is a scam that will leave you unemployed, I know.

>>4185657
Any school will leave you unemployed if you treat it as an excuse to fuck around.

>>4185657
i knew a e-girl who used to go in this kind of crap, cant wait to see her getting unemployed afterwards because of her bad decisions in picking courses in college hahahahaha fucking shit

>it fag here but i still draw sometimes because fuck art school and fine arts bullshit

>>4183339
Chris and Zach mention on sleepy cabin they tried to pitch Hellbenders but was shot down as they couldn't convince, I'm guessing Comedy Central, them to create it. The pitch was rejected and they went with another show called Biatches instead.

Style reeks of /co/mblr.
Writing reeks of plain tumblr.

>>4185743
Their pitch got rejected because they didn't want to be cooperative. Basically execs pitched them a retarded name change to see how they do with creative control and they got mad about it and handled it as poorly as you could. They realize they fucked up now at least but they also dodged working with a shitstack company.

>>4180932
I admit that it's a breath of fresh air from the bland colours and soft look of modern western animation but it looks like something I'd draw back when I was 12 too, the characters have so much bells and whistles on them that it almost hurts to look at, they all just look "wacky" to an absurd degree.

>>4185823
I see. Well that's good.

If it was anime i'd say its shit but for burger standards it's ok

I was surprised by how boring it ended up being. It has too many negatives going against it to really be any good, also they shared too many clips and it ended up not surprising me at all. It's a impressive group project but overall a tad sloppy and mediocre.

>>4183928
I've got more redesigns on me, I'll post them if no one minds.

>>4186354

>>4186357

>>4186359

>>4186362
Tbh this isn't any better than the original design, it's just a different character

>>4186362

>>4186368

>>4186383

>>4186389

>>4186391

>>4183928
this is the only redesign that bothers sticking to this character's theme

>>4186403

there is no redesigning these characters without completely overhauling them/switching to another style.
the shapes are so dramatic, removing small parts here or there doesn't really do much.

>>4186406
This is the best one.

>>4186437
This. The style is very obvious furfag deviantartist who is hinged over various small details. The people saying it isn't tumblr because it doesn't have big red noses and the like are obvious tumblr faggots themselves who only know about their criticisms from third party sources in a poor attempt at appearing self-aware. This is the exact kind of forced artstyle which is prevalent on tumblr and deviantart in droves.

>>4186406
this is even more needlessly complicated than the original. Not a proper design for animation at all

>>4186404
apparently he's only deer themed because he's a reused older OC that was a serial killing deer, i know tearing yourself away from old OC designs is hard but jeez

>>4186602
yeah no try again. it's deviantart sparkledog style, had its day way before le tumblr.

>>4186676
That isn't sparkledog style it just has sparkledog aesthetics applied to the style. This kind of garbage is prominent everywhere, from furaffinity to tumblr to deviantart. It's literally just "where ever furfags are, this will be".

>>4186688
nah. vivziepop is the omega sparkledog. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PKNuZovuSw

>>4186727
That's just furfag shit with bright colors.

>>4186753
>pedantry
the point is that it's not tumblr style.

>>4186764
Sorry tumblrite but it is. Don't have furfags move into your community to such a degree that it reeks of this shit and you won't have to settle with being associated with it.

>>4186772
The origin is deviantart thou. Vivzie is a sparkle shit artist.

>>4186796
And the origin for newfaggots use to be gaia online but it's pedoera now.

>>4186437
I'd disagree. I don't like Vivziepop but she has very strong shape design, the main problem with her designs is she overloads them with unnecessary details and clutter. >>4181367 is a good redesign because it keeps the appeal of the original shapes, while simplifying it so greatly to make it easier on the eyes and for animation. If all the characters could be on this level of complexity I think they would be fine, most of the redesigns here just make the shapes of the character designs massively weaker.

I am a generally anti-gay, anti-degeneracy (glad they are all in hell), no-fun-alllowed sperg and I'm shocked by the level of crabbing in this thread.

I was thoroughly entertained for the entire 30 minutes, the animation is WAY above "industry standards" and most of the critiques I've seen before giving up on reading the thread was "OMG TOO MUCH [THING]".
Overanimated, overdesigned, overacted, oversaturated, how about you overkill yourselves? In this day and age where the main problem with the industry is the lack of someone putting in the effort, you choose to hammer down this flamboyant devil orgy into some Family Guy production line soulless mold?

This is no Thief and the Cobbler, but there wasn't a single scene done without thought, whose sole intention was saving budget.
The only parts that really jarred me were the limousine arriving at the hotel (not an animation problem, but composition of the BG) and the sad MC a minute later with some awkward art/animation. Other than that, everything else ranges from passable to excellent.

It was very refreshing and my only concern is whether it'll be possible to keep that quality going for the rest of the series - highly unlikely.

>How would you fix its flaws?
I would redo the limousine and sad MC parts, nothing else.

Stop squabbling over nothing and direct that energy at bringing other shows to the same standard of quality - they have big executives with deep pockets behind them.

I have a major in animation if that means anything (it doesn't).

>>4186830
I can see what you mean. But a slight color shift or removal of a few bits and baubles is just too little of an alternation to make much of difference, to my eyes, in the overall design. And like you said, taking it any further than that ruins the energy. Though I'm not a fan of the style either, I think it at least does what it's meant to do perfectly.
I would be curious to see all these in a drastically different animation style. Maybe Genndy's.

>>4186949
Good post

>>4186949
The animation physics are pretty shit in some scenes though. I can tell they didn't use timing charts for a majority of the scenes (like when the characters appear to 'float' across the scene or move choppy/awkwardly). I've read several books on animation timing/physics and pirated many animation seminars from Disney/Bluth veterans, and I can you that the animation is amateur at best in terms of movement.
Also, if you watch the animation livestreams on Vivzie's channel, there are no timing charts anywhere to be found.


Part of the reason why they didn't use timing charts was probably because of the complicated character designs (each necklace, hair piece, clothing, etc. would have needed its own chart). You can see this same problem in Vivzie's blue werewolf music video she did in 2014, all the characters 'float' and seem to have very little weight.

>>4185681
let me guess, youre a ngmi individual that pretends youre better than the art school shitters even though you only spend 2 hours a week drawing, just like them

ITT: NGMI seething crabs

Post your pilot.

>>4180932
The character designs and the backgrounds were lovely, even if one was way off for the "limo-scene", and it was a good executed pilot cartoon. My only gripe for this pilot would've been to stay on the model or to find a way to have a middle ground (character sheets) for the animators with fluctuating skills so they wouldn't go off model too much. But aside from that it was fun concept and it had a Beetlejuice/Butch Hartman essence to it.

>>4186830
even that could be simplified without losing much of the original design. in time spent, it all adds up. (6 colours in hair is nuts if you're not doing flash!)

>>4186949
I think it was fine, but the over saturated over design is actually a problem. It makes it way too hard to figure out what’s going on and who is the focus. No one suggested to completely fucking neuter it. Just tone down shit that’s excessive.

>>4186391
>Literally makes the design worse
>Doesn't resize the image so it can't fit on any human sized monitor
t. pic related

>>4186949
You, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar

>>4186949
>i hate the homo-sexuals, am i based yet 4chan
cringe

>>4188210
yikes

>>4188218
k

>>4186949
Absolutely golden post, here's your (You).

Has anyone on ic produced something like this? Yeah it’s not impressive/not breaking the mold but it’s something. Her colors are shit, she draws deviant art tier shit, but she fucking made something that people are actively enjoying.

>>4189078
i know we have a lot of great webcomic posters here. its more a question of ambition than producing something

>>4189126
Who? I’d actually like to see their stuff.

>>4181222
what the FUCK

What's wrong with V's drawing type?
Not the colors. I think she has a nice flow to her lines. Everthing is exaggerated but its not that bad. I don't understand the DA drawing meme.

>>4183330
Leave nsfw behind, or you will have a backfire in the future. Just animate normal stuff.

>>4181367
Found on /co/ but I like it a lot.

>>4192256
i like this. leaves enough detail to be interesting unlike most redesigns

>>4191937
her style is nice, better than the usual soft edged garbage. and deviantart style is fairly original for these days. it's just cluttered at times. which is not to say you can't have a busy design, but you do need a hierarchy. pic related is super detailed but it's very easy to read.

>>4180932
at least it's not fucking porn or fanart
I don't even care about quality anymore, just original content is good enough

>>4180932
Just finished watching this and i dare to say this is probably the worst cartoon i've watched this year. The plot is mess. I know this show is about hotel but everything happened so random to the point that i have no clue what the fuck is going on. Too many characters with no real purpose, I can't even remember anyone's name and i probably can't remember this Charlie too if /co/ haven't keep spamming thread about her. Colour choice is bad, really bad. I understand the story take place in hell and red is most appealing color in human eye but when you have to stare at it for half hour is fucking tortured, it's hurting my eyes. Oh, about the jokes. I can imagine someone would laugh for this if they're underage or have mental problems. Also, i don't have anything against gay people but damn, these jokes actually make them look disgusting. I'm amazed how Youtube even greenlit this shit.

>>4193086
It's funny because the main cast is all lgbt and they're all in hell.

>>4191937
I haven't watched this and I don't care but all the characters look like were made from a template and there are tons of pointless details and accents to make them look different when they really all look the same. They remind me of sparkledogs but I imagine that's exactly where the appeal is. At least it's somewhat different. I would rather have this than yet another harmless disney-like round and friendly cartoon with a milquetoast fantasy plot, animated like every other cartoon of this type, where the main character looks up at a fantasy scenery that looks just like you would expect a fantasy scenery to look like and says "whoa".

There are only like 2 actual redesigns posted so far. The rest just miss the point or are just completely new characters

>>4195873
redesigns are always pointless

>>4195872
Well to be fair she bought some designs for her sparkle dogs.

>>4195876
this
you know you've made it if other artists start to attempt redesigning of your shit
not the other way around

>>4180932
this is fucking aids. god just take me back to 90s anime