/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Where do you guys go to find male refs that aren't pose books

Are there any useful ways to construct the spine within a figure drawing or do you have to keep track of it mentally?

>>4156821

>>4156814
Just pinterest, dude.

>>4156806
My dudes, can I get some feedback on this? Whatever you wanna talk about I'm always open to improvement.

>>4156821
What you're doing is fine, if you can't keep track of it mentally just draw a line for it.

>>4156822
And clothes added. I‘ll leave it at that for now.

>>4156854
Why do you stay confined to /beg/? I’m sure the outside world would be glad to greet you at this level.

>>4156858
I think that's a fluke anon.
Last thread there was another anon telling me that I haven't improved a single bit over the last year and others from older threads saying that I have autism and that I refuse to improve even though they claim to have tried to help me numerous times.
Not sure if it's safer to stay here or if those anons would be relieved if I moved out.
I keep looking over /alt/ and still have the feeling I'll get memed on like the first time I posted there.

>>4156932
Why aren’t you improving anon? There is a root cause for everything

>>4156949
That is a question with a nebulous answer.

I have mostly been only grinding up until now. I don't do that many real life and photo studies and am only beginning to read a few books I put on my backlog now. That combined with what is perhaps natural ineptitude.
I have mostly been approaching art as a hobby up until now and am trying to inch towards a more focused learning attitude, though those efforts are being held back by procrastination.

Pretty sure I am aware of most of it, but actually acting upon things that help me improve is something else. NGMI, or whatever buzzword fits best.

>>4156854
>>4156858
Eeh, it might be a bit of a borderline case I think. It still lacks a certain amount of polish on a technical level and theres probably still gains to be had in here.

>>4156964
I don't think natural ineptitude is really a thing but I reckon your lack of studies based on real life subject matter is likely the one big thing holding you back.

Just generally speaking I think alot of people here are to focused on their end goals and want every drawing to be a comlete artistic piece when in reality they could likely make more long term gains if they put that desire on the back burner and accepted that from beginning to end you will need to invest a few thousand hours before you'll really get what you truly want out of art.

Really dumb beginner question: the wood art boards you staple canvas to, the ones used in the NMA Russian Course, are those reusable? Once you're done a piece you can just take it off and then put on a new canvas/paper/whatever, right?

>>4156970
This.
Not construction anon but I rarely do finished shit and just do studies and copies of better artist and studying the shit im interested at to get really good to be able to draw them from imagination with reasonable skill. If you want to be a good artist pretty fast just do studies of better artist and grind away with shit you have trouble with, trust me it helped me improve pretty fast, could see progress in a single week.

>Finish initial sketch
>Need to colour it but am afraid of ruining the drawing

Construct anon here.

>>4156967
Any specific pointers? Would be appreciated.

>>4156970
Mostly grinding with unfinished sketches has been my aim until now, though I refrained from studying my favorite ((anime)) artists because I feel that is generally frowned upon, so I only referenced some poses at best.
About the real life studies, are photos of real life all right to get by or is there no way around drawing the real thing in front of you? If so, are just inanimate objects and rooms ok or are models that important because I am obviously in no position to get one. A few anons kept insisting on it.

>>4156975

I don't see why you couldn't, I've heard of people taking canvases off stretchers and reusing them.

>>4156991
Personally I don’t know too much about your bouts with the anons here but I think that studying from Yoh Yoshinari would be better for you since anime’s value is expression.
A big grin with arms behind the head means more than being “90% correct” imo.

How do i into caricatures? are these guys recognizable? can i do Gerald Scarfe shit with loomis?

>>4157007

Seriously? I barely can draw a human skeleton and usually just make some abstract form and put some spooks on it. That's how I compensate my lack of skills, by drawing formless monstrosities and similar stuff haha.

About Miura, I wouldn't call myself a fan but yes, as you can see, I've got a lot of inspiration from Berserk.

>>4156991
I'm sure real life models are the bees knees and all that but honestly photographs have served me well enough. Just make sure they're shot through a normal lens in neutral lighting and it'll do well enough imo.

What happens to the cheek on the left when it goes behind the mouth?

What's that site with the torrents that opens registration only on the first of each month?

>>4156825

-leave the scratchy stuff out of the shadows and directly lit areas, it's messing up your read. if you want to put texture do it at the terminator lines/where the form starts turning from the light
-the face is full of round forms so be mindful of soft edges

>>4156825

-leave the scratchy stuff out of the shadows and directly lit areas, it's messing up your read. if you want to put texture do it at the terminator lines/where the form starts turning from the light
-the face is full of round forms so be mindful of soft edges
-there should be a bit of overlap with the nose and the left side of her face since the head is a rounded form and we're viewing it from an angle but idk how it looks in the source image

I can't draw anything and I want to slit my fucking wrists for being such a useless retard. I wish I never started trying to draw, but sunk cost keeps bringing me back. Fuck drawing, I fucking hate it and I wish I was dead.

>>4157128
For art stuff you might be thinking of GCpeers which opens on the 14th iirc.

>>4157167
Draw with the blood like a real nigga

>>4157167
>but sunk cost keeps bringing me back
The $20 you spend on a pad of paper, some pencils and some microns?

>>4157167
Well if it makes you feel any better everybody is shit at drawing for their first few thousand hours.
It's just a matter of whether or not your willing to sink in the time.

>>4157170
Kek, this

Practicing rendering & values, still looks messy but hopefully i'm starting to get the idea.

>>4157171
prolly bought an ipad pro

>>4157156
Damn, thanks anon. Gave me a lot to think about. I always hate the nose from this angle, and you nailed it.

>>4156806
When I'm drawing I think I become like ten times more fragile.
Like within 10 minutes of practicing lines I get a hand cramp and my arm falls asleep.
It's not like I'm a wimp, I jog and lift dumbbells sometimes.
Will my stamina improve with practice? This is kind of annoying.

>>4157185
Anon check your negative space. They're all off.

General advice on arms/shoulder area for the female figure? Or if you could please, share how you construct that area? I keep somehow making the shoulders too large and masculine.

How/where do I start? Do I just pick one element and go as far as I can and then move on to whatever is holding me back the most?

>>4157244
My guess would be that its more that you need to loosen your grip and/or improve your posture and that its not so much a matter of physical endurance.

>>4157258
Depends on where you are currently, are you starting from scratch?

>>4157263
yes. Total 110% nub here

>>4157244
Alcohol

>>4157248
You mean for the shadow shapes? The one on the abdomen is off for sure after looking at it

>>4157267
I would start with learning how to properly draw 3-dimensional shapes like spheres, cubes and cylinders etc in basic perspective. These basic shapes will be the foundation from drawing basicly anything else you could conveive of.
A basic resource thats thrown around alot here is drawabox.com (although personally I would only follow the first few lessons) but you can find plenty of basic videos on how to draw forms in perspective.

Does anyone know a more reliable way to construct the head so that I can actually get the proportions right?

Left is a trace just so that I could see what I keep getting wrong, and it seems that I have a tendency to blow up different features so that everything gets displaced. How do I avoid this?

tried to do some upper body muscles, using anatomy for sculptors as a reference. Did I do any of this right or should I go back to grinding?

>>4156806
I can manage to draw some facial features from memory already but how tf do you draw hair? Any tips?

>>4157366
The trick is not to think about it as individual strands, but as a bunch of complete forms with volume and mass.
Pay attention to the way different sections of hair overlap others. An idea to grind the way that works might be to draw floppy noodles over a cylinder

>>4157350
thicc

>>4157382
Hm, I like that idea, thx amigo

>>4157350
i havent draw muscles in a while so i might be off, but the main purpose of studying anatomy is knowing where go each part so when you are doing your dolls/mannequin its easier and the better you get at knowing your anatomy the less you will need of dolls/landmarks

the muscles in the right arm are fucked up the delt joint is around the right clavicle and part of the scapula and it attachs to the right side of the arm between the biceps and triceps,you have to learn where they attach so is easier to know how the muscles change accordingly to their rotation otherwise you will end up drawing sausages for limbs

>>4157425
wtf wrong pic lmao

>>4157431
this is very helpful thank you!

>>4157439
the book itself is thousands better so just study that but like i said dont speed read that shit take your time until you fully understand whatever you are studying atm if you actually think you can move on to another body part you should be able to draw what you were studying before from any angle/position possible

it would be nice if someone could gib some advice or post some online books about drawing human bodies. cause whenever I try to draw poses or whatever it looks weird and stiff and whatnot. cause im stuck and and dont know what I need to do. dont know if I should post some stuff I drew. I love drawing and I want to make it but its gets depressing when you fuck stuff up all the time. pls help!

>>4157478
pyw so we can help you

>>4157478
Figure Drawing, Design And Invention: by Michael Hampton

>>4157481
here is one. dont judge im a woman

>>4157481
and here is another one which is alot worse and alot gayer

>>4157114
is the upper left guy Neville Chamberlain?

>>4157487
This is the kind of guy who gets turned into a tank in a zombie game

>>4157279
>>4157185

does anyone here find Proko's Bucket Method for drawing the pelvis needlessly complicated, or am i a ngmi retard?

>>4157487
>>4157489
Read the sticky/wiki for book recommendations. You can download most of them from the art book thread I think? I assume these were drawn without reference. Try drawing some real people to at least get an idea of the proportions.

critique the art and character design

>>4157537
I will try. thanks for the advice. learning things on your own is a slow and painful process. hope it wasnt too terrible to look at

>>4157502
a cute buff tank bf

>>4157314
Improves your ability to measure and see with your eyes.

Are these bad for 3 minute gestures? I feel like they are too stiff, i think its because im focusing too much to keep the proportions from being inaccurate

>>4157605
just keep practicing bro, you'll get there

>>4157248
can you explain what is a negative space?

>>4157605
There's something about fast gesture challenges that most people seem to miss. The point isn't to get you to draw faster, but to draw less. Drawing less means you have to be more eloquent with the lines you put down. You have to think about them, and be deliberate.

So don't assess your gestures by how finished they are, or by how many strokes you were able to lay down. Look instead at how much your drawings communicate the posture, and how quickly your mind was able to understand what you were looking at and how you were able to condense information: where the landmarks are, how weight is distributed, which foot is load-bearing, what direction is everything facing, what is coming towards you and what is receding, etc.

Not all of your gestures answer those questions. Doesn't necessarily mean they are poorly done. What it does mean is that your priorities are probably incorrect.

>>4157677
use wikipedia or look at >>4157514

>>4157605
I think you are spending too much time trying to draw correct proportions when you should just eyeball the figure and focus on the gesture and the terminator shadow. Draw more, draw without thinking verbally and learn to do blind contours if you wanna do it quicker.
>>4157697
this anon is also correct

>>4157699
Ah, silly me.
Thanks for the answer.

I'm pretty sure like 90% of /ic is /beg. There are a few rare people in /beg threads that have potential but the majority of people here just suck, both in terms of creativity and technical skill. I noticed that most people here just leave after a few months of posting.

Started practicing figures more, and also did expressions and finished a drawing. Any opinions?

>>4157784
Here is the figure practice.

>>4157784
More figure practice

>>4157784
And finally the expressions

>>4157776
The amount of time and effort people put into learning drawing varies a lot.
Some people put in 8h+ per day and improve very quickly, others draw a few times a week for short periods of time, get frustrated and leave.
And if you're actually good at drawing then you probably want to seek out a place that gives more constructive advice. As a /beg/ myself I feel like this place is very good at getting you started, but I don't know how useful it would be as an intermediate artist apart from shitposting.

I think 90% /beg/ is a bit high though, I'd argue that by normie standards most of /ic/ is intermediate or "good".

>>4157784
Does your name start with M ? :^)

>>4157776
just cus people leave that doesn't mean they stop drawing.
anyway, post your work. i want to see your creativity.

i cannot get the fucking likeness on this bitch. maybe i'll start this guy again from scratch. i need to stop thinking about this.

>>4157791
Why the question? Also yeah :^)

>>4157790
? No most of /draw is good most of /beg isn't. No normie thinks that the stuff on /beg is good. Especially with all the media they consume. At least 70% of this board realistically are /beg.

>>4157792
I dunno this is the last digital drawing I did and it's shit. But at least I admit i'm shit.

>>4157809
isn't posting on beg already an admittance of being shit?
i thought you were someone who hates anime. seeing this post now, i'm not really seeing what you're trying to say. that pretty much anyone who posts in /beg/ is there because genetically they're ngmi, or that they don't try hard enough?

>>4157792
I dunno this is the last digital drawing I did and it's shit. But at least I admit i'm shit.

>>4157811
Both a combination of not trying, and genetics. It is what it is.

Why was that post deleted?

is it ok to take a break from drawing while you're on holidays?

Any tips/sources on hair?

>>4157842
why would you want to? do you dislike drawing?
maybe you can cut down if it gets in the way, but i get an urge to draw when I haven't done so in a while. and if you're on holiday, you could draw the scenery. why not?

>>4157789
Loomis meme material

>>4157848
i like drawing, but i also like gaming a lot.
i've been drawing for a good week in all my free time and was wondering if it'd be fine if i played some videogames for today (ironically, playing games also MAKES me want to draw)

>>4157867
don't overthink it anon, it's okay to have multiple hobbies

>>4157867
you're gaming on holiday?
i would genuinely suggest ditching gaming all together. take up another hobby, like woodworking or politics or something. unless you're working and you need it to avoid an heroing.

>>4157873
"Entertainment is bad, ceaseless productivity is life."

>>4157901
no, not what i said.
I agree with you that there's too much focus on marketable skills. the other side of that is that entertainment has been reduced to pointless schlock which doesn't engage you critically.
back in the day, there wasn't this split between entertainment and improving yourself. i'm suggesting anon finds something that he can both enjoy and use to enrich himself.

i've been in the place where i binge watch television shows, or i get every achievement on a videogame. but it doesn't make me happy.
like i said, if you're tired or depressed, maybe games can help. but if you're not, you'll be happier doing something else.

fuck markets, fuck jobs, fuck feeling like you need to be productive. that's not what i'm talking about at all. you should be doing it for yourself, not others.

so uh, i'm trying to learn how to colour like s-purple does. here's my oc.

>>4157185
You should spend some time getting the lineart down, before attempting any rendering - you'll save yourself a lot of work.

Have a look at the shapes you're attempting to replicate - look at where her right thigh overlaps her left thigh. It seems you're drawing what you think should be there, instead of what you're seeing on the reference.

Another round of timed figure/gesture drawings. This time with more Vilppu.

Stupid question: How am I supposed to go from these to a more finished piece? Is it just a matter of refining? Like, keep going, adding more detail and rendering?

>>4157956
>adding more detail and rendering?
pretty much. like pic related. top one took huston 5 minutes to draw but the rendering is 2 hours.

>>4157963
Very cool thankyou for the help. That's what I thought.

>>4157940
honestly that's naive. may just be me, but my initial sketch looks nothing like my final piece. i'm assuming that as you get better at eyeballing, your rendering and your construction starts to occupy separated stages, but as it is now they're one in the same.
is it just me?

>>4157499
It was supposed to be pic related, man i'm such fuckup.

>>4157867
In *all* your free time? Seriously dude, you're allowed to have more than one hobby.

>>4157901
Once upon a time, I played video games every day, for hours at a time. Then I quit. I play occasionally now, but since I've stopped playing I don't enjoy them as much.

Once upon a time, I spent all my free time on facebook. Then I quit. Now, I go on occasionally, but I don't enjoy it any more. (Though I wasn't enjoying it much anyway before either, but I still went on.)

I used to read, once upon a time. Then those other two things took over. I've picked it up again and, at least for one of my books, have been enjoying it again.

I used to hate drawing. I was never any good at it. Now, I've drawn a picture every day since January 1st, and I find myself drawing more than even the single drawing. It took a while, but eventually I started to like it. (I even can draw pictures that look semi-not-bad! It's a pity they don't look like what they're supposed to though...)

I used to go outside a lot, before facebook. I played several sports. Then, I started staying inside and not doing anything with my life. Then I quit facebook, and eventually started trying to go outside more. Now, I love going outside.

Point is, you can learn to like doing things. Even if you have to force yourself to do them at first, Intention creates Interest, and Intention + Interest creates Passion. What other anon is saying is, would you rather enjoy and be passionate about something unproductive like video games, or something productive?

That's not to say you have to never play video games, but it's a suboptimal choice.

>>4157185
the pelvis angle is wrong
that why the belly feel bulging out so much
so does the shoulder but not as extreme

>>4157534
you are diving into his anatomy course which is pretty advance for you have to dig into deep muscle that why the pelvis need to be more detail
start with his figure course and stay there for some time and copy model until your drawing skill is good enough
he use a box for pelvis here

>>4158026
This one looks a bit closer, still, i need to stop doing it free hand and actually construct, my problem is drawing the features on top of the base, in fun with a pencil it just tells you to just draw the features, draw the rest of the fucking owl tier.

yeah i'm thinking i'm ngmi

>>4158112
shoot. image too big and this gay jap website won't let me delete it. sorry

I have no idea what I'm doing.
Reference was https://3kbo302xo3lg2i1rj8450xje-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/shutterstock_167655056.jpg

>>4158103
Aight, i think this one might look closer, sorry for shitting up the thread, but i'm really autistic about this.

>>4158112
Oh my, that rotated box thing is tough.

Any critiques ?

>>4158035
No one's saying you have to be passionate about video games, but implying that you should cut them from your life entirely is overly dramatic. It's essentially like asking someone to cut sex because bringing another human into this fucked up world is a morally reprehensible act.

Not every moment of your day has to be spent being productive, it's completely okay to unwind with a game if that's what you enjoy doing. Trying to guilt people into being a workaholic is why Japan has such a massively high suicide rate. You can't create sustainable people that way.

There's an old adage that says, "wasted time is not time wasted."

Not to mention there's more than one way to enjoy video games, some of which can and do enrich your life in the same ways that reading books can. As works of media, there's plenty of room for interpretation, literary analysis, some games can help exercise your procedural memory - which is a transferable skill (see: Receiver). I mean sure, if you're just brainlessly turning on your console to watch the big man slap monsters with an axe, then yeah you should probably not play games.

>>4157867
Anon, do whatever the hell you want. Don't let other people tell you what you should or shouldn't be. If vidya makes you happy, then play vidya.

coloring takes so long and picking colors is so ard

I already lost motivation again. I feel fatigued, but if I quit now I'll just regret it later just like I am regretting quitting years ago when I was 16.

How do I stay motivated? I just put out shit drawing after shit drawing, it hurts to look at and my ego.

how do I learn to draw when I have little to no free time in my day

>>4158471
Not everyone is cut out for everything. Some people are, by their nature, better suited to expressing themselves through a guitar than through a stylus, and they may have reached 60 before realizing it. Think about where your initial motivation came from, where it might have gone, and why it went where it did. You might learn where to find new motivation, or you may find that you've been on the wrong path and should thus reorient.

>>4158475
Figure out -- really cerebrate here, ok -- how badly you want to learn to draw. Do you really want to learn to draw, or do you merely think you want to learn to draw? What gave you this impulsion? If you really want to do a thing, you can and will make the time for a thing.

Alright, as a guy who's been cartooning for fun for awhile now and primarily coasted on youtube tutorials and occasional tips. How do I go about actually getting gud? I'm getting a lot of conflicting answers from people either suggesting joy of perspective, draw a box, loomis is shilled endlessly, keys to drawing, etc etc. What's recommended for someone who understands some of the basics but can't put them to use?

>>4158504
is that your work?

>>4158475
doodle on napkins then gradually doodle slower

>>4158518
Yessir, it's the last thing I did. Something like this can take me a full day or more to complete though since I'm just eyeballing and tweaking everything bit by bit because I don't have any fundie experience.

Any advice to help improve outside
>Hurr durr make her white.
That’s non negotiable.

>>4158530
Oh, you don’t like white people?

>>4158528
Intriguing. Now I wanna see it getting fucked.

>>4158542
No, I just want to make my black girls prettier.
That’s my focus for this week.

>>4158530
She looks white to me dude. Like, "I love Starbucks and have a Blacked subscription" tier white.

>>4158554
Interesting
How would you suggest I make her look more
“Cute girl with a crush”
(Who happens to be black)

>>4158451
Please focus on fundies, figure anatomy, perspective, before bothering with colors. You've got a long way to go.

>>4158068
Thank you, I will do that. I noticed his anatomy course seems to assume whoever's taking it is already familiar more or less with perspective, which I am not. I'll study his Figure course for now.

>>4158475
I don't believe you.

Seriously, there's no way you don't have an hour you can free up if you actually want to draw.

And if you don't then you clearly have other priorities. And if drawing isn't enough of a priority to dedicate an hour to then maybe drawing isn't for you.

But, again, I don't believe you. You just have other things you're doing which you think are necessary but are not. I took stock of my day when I thought "I don't have enough time to draw" and freed up 2 hours after like 10 mins of thinking about my priorities.

>>4158494
>better suited to expressing themselves through a guitar than through a stylus
I just wanna draw cute anime girls and porn. Also a strong desire to just be good at SOMETHING, I'm really insecure.

Anyone got any tips as to how to approach something seemingly endlessly complex as a canopy of leaves?

this was a dud, but as is expected. trying to move away from my usual shit work to a different type of shit work

>>4158530
the farther eye is shorter and fatter than the closer one. Everything else is just fucked, try again

>>4158129
what the fuck

>>4157956
great work, keep it up anon

>>4158642
>Everything is just fucked
Noted I’ll try harder
Thanks Anon

>>4158642
>what the fuck
is there any resemblance? should i stop drawing while suffering from sleep deprivation?

>>4158663
sleep through the night, take a walk tomorrow, deadlift 3 children and spend more time trying to replicate lines and angles from your source material. Try reading Keys to Drawing if you're looking for a guide.

>>4158666
Well i was doing the good ol' ''barely looking at an photo of the person and doing it mostly from imagination'' maybe if i had used more of a ref it would have turned out less shitty. as for the rest, sensible advice, thanks.

>>4158568
i think you should work on perspective before figures. you can't expect to draw something like a ribcage in 3d space if you can't convincingly draw a cube or a cylinder or whatever

I can only work up the nerve to submit something when I’m high.

>>4158729
As beg as this is, the face is hilarious

>>4158729
Soul

>>4158729
You drew a lot of stuff pretty good individually, but they look utterly frankensteined together. How high were you drawing this?

9 days since failing inktober but I won't let myself slip into another month long non drawing funk
drawing powerful muscles always makes me feel better

>>4158936
Fucking and go back to grinding muscles to the point you want to kill yourself

>>4158948
It looks like that's what he's doing. Why're you being an asshole for no reason?

>>4158949
Its not enough, to get good at muscle really fast is to grind it from every angle and perspective and drawing them over and over again to point you could just shit them out. If he wants to draw some smexy sexy guko shit then he better check out Proko’s shit for all its worth and grind the muscular system of the human anatomy, thankfully it’s just anime not actual human beings that requires learning the skeletal system as well and oh boy that’s a a field day.

>>4156806
made this gif on pixilart, it was fun

Why do I feel like my art keeps getting worse the more I draw? Not even two days ago I was producing relatively passable art, and now I can barely cobble together a basic gesture drawing.

>>4158963
It’s called improving your eyes, the ability to see your mistakes has drastically improved but your drawing skills has not. This always happens when you finish something you like and then seeing it again a couple days later.

>>4158475
Anon, I work full time, go to graduate school (not art related but for ancient languages), and am planning a wedding with the fiance. You can do it. You have time. Don't let yourself have excuses. Drawing and creating is fun motherfucker, and you need a healthy outlet. Life is harder, stress is worse, when you have nothing except work, games, etc.

Start somewhere. Just fucking start and don't stop. 20, 30 minutes a day even. Start somewhere.

>>4158562
Well you have to change the skin tone, because that girl is white.

>>4158961
the bottom lip is just flapping up and down, the jaw isn't even moving.

>>4158547
I'm curious. It has a giant fucking dick stretching beyond it's knee and as thicc as it's thigh. Why do you want to see it getting fucked, and not fuck someting else?

>>4159009
Yeah, I made that really quick didn't put any thought into it, just wanted to try my hand at pixel art. I made another one, tried a bit harder this time

here's sum anime i drew just now. took about 5 mins or so. thoughts?????

Barely surviving Inktober and my shitty penmanship wants to fuck me up at every turn.
Actual question here: aside from DaB, Proko, and Keys to Drawing projects, what are some interactive exercises I can follow to improve my fundies? I may be a brainlet who can't come up with my own rituals for warming up.

pic related is my lastest .

>>4159062
latest*

should I just take this as a sign I'm ngmi?

>>4159039
based water fountain idea bro

Wanted to make myself a phone wallpaper.

How is it?

Sigh I still somehow can’t understand how the head fits into the upper torso any tips ?

>>4159201
I also still can’t understand depth in the canvas, like I can draw boxes and complex shapes in perspective easy but i feel I’m missing something, especially when I try to draw forms inserted into each other like I can’t feels the relationships between them, I hope this make sense if so any helpful exercise ?

>>4158112
I dunno man. I hate lined paper and I hate abstract anything. But this is appealing to me. I’d like to see what you come up with as you continue drawing, please keep us posted!

>>4158729
This is hilarious thank you anon

That face should be meme’d for future “what the fuck is this monstrosity” posts

>>4158729
>>4159209

>be /beg/ ,never used /ic/,doesn't know who loomis is
>have low standards of what good art looks like
>be satisfied with how my art looks because I have low standards
>find /ic/
>realise how shit my art is by comparison
>be unsatisfied with whatever I draw because my standards have significantly higher

How do I stop this?

>>4159009
Lockjaw is no joke

>>4159213
Get better

>>4158870
20mg, a single edible never does anything for me.
Any tips on getting things to NOT look frankensteined?

playing with colors

>>4159213
1. Get gud
2. Draw moar
3. Be lazy effectively
4. Leave /beg/ whenever you feel like everything isn’t shit on a piece of paper

>>4158590
Don’t overthink it
It’s leaves not a face.
Some circles within circles is all you need

Anyone have any experience with "the natural way to draw" by Kimon Nicolaides?
I think the book is mentioned in the sticky but I never see anyone talking about it.
It seems fairly simple and requires you to actually put time in it, but I'm not prepared to spend a lot of time without knowing it'll be somewhat worth it.
Anyone gone through the book yet?

>>4159079
your attitude, yeah

the drawing? nah

>Use a reference and try to draw what's in the picture
>Manage to do pretty alright but something is off
>Overlay the ref on the drawing
>Everything is at different angles to the reference
>Individual body parts are the right scale and size, but in the wrong place. So for instance eyes, nose, mouth are all the right size, but they are in the wrong place on the face itself

How do I avoid this? I try to measure things out and look at where, for instance the eyes, are in relation to the rest of the face but I can never get this right. A lot of the time the eyes end up a lot higher up on the face than they need to, thus elongating the rest of the skull so that they don't look out of place.

>>4159385

>>4159385
practice your sighting techniques. It's basic shit, and you should be fluent in it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbTGAORFkKo

>>4159347
Oh fuck you, retard. You’re just being a little bitch because he undercut you of accusing him of ngmi.

>>4159398
If I'm reading that right, the distances between lines 1-3 are equal? I remember something about Loomis saying his construction technique is based on "the average american" face or something.

>>4159399
Thanks, I'll look through it

>>4159412
the technique can be applied to whatever you want. it is just construction anon.

>>4159419
Yeah I suppose that's true. I usually try at the very least to do the cross on the face to align the face, but I should probably do the whole construction process every time even though it takes a bit more time.

>>4158012
That's why I'd recommend practicing your lineart to begin with. It's no use attempting to learn everything at once. If your piece changes completely, but not of creative choice, you should perhaps spend some more time, focusing on the shapes you're trying to recreate.

While I see your point, calling it naive just tells me, that you haven't practiced enough, getting the figure right to begin with.

>>4159406
forgot to hide the sketch layer fuck me whatever

Can I get some critiques on this? I'm very new to drawing realism. I will say I got lazy with the neck and used white gel pen for highlighter/different pencil type for hair which was a big mistake

>>4159460
reference? From a quick look it seems like the face doesn't seem to fit rest of the head much

>>4159461
One thing I noticed after was the chin proportion was off and I struggled with how to do the eyebrows

>>4159460
>>4159465
Clearly you need to work on your proportions if you're aiming for realism. That being said, I do like how stylized your drawing looks, even though it wasn't intentional.

>>4159471
Yeah, I thought as much. Also, well, thanks. Are there any tips you can give to figure out proportions better?

>>4159440
>every time
im sure you will become free of it with enough practice.

>>4159292
>Some circles within circles is all you need
Hmm tried that but it looked like trash.
Looked it up some more and found a painterly approach and a drawing approach.
The drawing approach mainly focused on the seperation of light and shadow shapes, but that didnt work so well for me either.
The painterly approach mainly works with texture as far as I can tell, so I made a shitty texture brush and that got the best result out of the bunch... at least for my skill-level.

>>4159079
Looks fine to me, why so negative anon?

>>4159406
Gonna post a shitty redline for this in a second.

>>4159406

>>4159410
if thats what you got from my post, you're the retard

>>4159536
Aww the baby is upset I had him figure out from the start. Poor thing.
>>4159532
Because this is /ic/ and you trolls tell everyone they suck anyway. You’re just pissy he beat you to it.

>>4159556
>>4154369

I can't for the life of me figure out Loomis.
Am I just retarded? There's just something about it that doesn't "click" in my head.
Is it just a matter of practicing it until I get it right?

I can kind of do a 3/4 view head because that's what he uses in a lot of his examples, but when it comes to other shapes it just doesn't work at all.

>>4159576
The proko vids on loomis helped me understand more of what FWP was getting at.

>>4159576
Really think the 3D form in your head, even if you're not drawing. Think about the planes of the surface; what pops out front and recedes further back, then put your pencil on paper to draw out your mind's image.
Active thinking is as important as intentional practice. Continue until it clicks.

>>4159556
I don't care if you want to make things up in your head. I just want to make it clear to >>4159079 that I was trying to say his drawing looked pretty good to me and he should ditch the "ngmi" way of thinking

>>4159583
I try, but it all goes wrong for the moment I try and do the cross. Because the lines from that cross are wrong, it then becomes impossible to do the rest of the ball and plane method.

>>4159576
get a video how to draw loomis
you need to understand how to start making lines
i watched some anime kinda loomis based video and it made me understand
all i need is pratice now

Speaking of videos, what are some good videos in general for starters?

>>4159617
>>4159578
I looked at the Proko video(s) and his process/sequence seemed to make more sense which helped me a lot.
Thank you to you both!

>>4159696
if all of us had a teacher more of us would actually improve

>>4159532
Bruh you’re being too hard on yourself
The leaves look fine
Tree mostly exist as background items both irl and fantasy.

This is one of the few things where laziness is not only ok but expected

Requesting advice on how this could look better and stupid mistakes pointed out.

Some of my own thoughts:
> Only indicator of distance to the other islands is the size of objects, could add sth like clouds/haze in between or make them more blue-ish
> Faulty perspective (vertical stuff being vertical despite looking down a bit)
> Corn looks flat and boring, not sure what to do about it except adding some plants at the edge
> Could have more and bolder shades
> Need to learn drawing people, person and cat are mostly traced from photos I took
> Must be more I'm missing

Thanks in advance.

>>4156806

>>4159730
Adding a piece of original size.

>>4159730
first thing that looked off to me was the weird lack of depth caused by the detailed texturing
think you should generalize the texture more, especially when you move further away from the viewpoint

>>4157478
How to Draw the Human Figure: An Anatomical Approach by Louise Gordon

Shows you the actual anatomy instead of fucking rectangles so when you draw you actually know what the rectangles are supposed to be

>>4159730
There’s definitely problems with the drawing itself but the biggest things that jumps out to me is that the values are all too similar and everything’s too soft and low contrast. Turn it to grayscale and zoom way out. I would also work on shadow shapes (outline the areas that are in shadow and design their shape a bit rather than soft brushing them in, right now you don’t really have any distinguishable shadows at all). I’m not at my computer but I can try a paint over later if someone else hasn’t already. Also your green is too green, most foliage is really a darker yellow color rather than a direct green like you’re using.

Overall, I feel pretty good about how this turned out, except for the ashes. The dry ink brush on procreate didn’t work quite as well as I had hoped.

more studys for chest.

>>4159745
Thank you... Will do some practice on that and study reference material.

>>4159788
Thanks to you as well.
Paint over would be very much apprciated if you have the time and feel like it.
One thing about the colours: I've been drawing on an ipad but when I looked at it on my laptop the colours were quite different and a lot colder. So I tried adjusting a bit, which probably makes it worse in the end when looking at it on a proper device. It's that version I uploaded.
Still doesn't change the thing about similar values and low contrast though.

I'm grateful for all advice, hope I still have potential somehow that can unfold.

what if i just starved myself until I can draw good

>>4159813
you'll be a literal starving (beg) artist

Just discovered the stabilizer tool

>>4159837
That looks amazing!

feedback ?

>>4159840
t-thanks anon

>>4157431
looking neat but aren't the hips way too large or is it on purpose ?

Man, been a couple months since I've posted here. My anatomy and perspective are still shitty, but fuck it.
Please be kind.

learning 3 point perspective
am I doing it right
1/3

2/3

3/3

>>4159912
Go stand at the corner of your street and look at the way the ends of the walls line up. You'll notice they're still mostly vertical, rather than being sucked into a central point. There is a slight tilt, but not to that extreme

>>4159201
>>4159204
5 minute gesture, I have been drawing today for more than 7 hours I FEEL THE GAINS

>>4159591
Keep lying to yourself. You’re just another trash troll piece of shit. Your mother should’ve aborted you and then set herself on fire to be sure.

>>4159930
Hey man, you alright? What's with all the salt?

>>4159930
>>4159556
Just in case you weren't aware, you are making everyone know about psychiatric illness. Normal people don't behave this way, even when they are very upset.

>>4159922
What's causing the tilt then? I assume it's either because the 3 vanishing points are too close or the very tilted is so close to the right vanishing point that it's causing it to become all distorted right?

>>4159952
The 3point perspective is still in effect considering we’re looking at the buidling from street level.

I still can't draw from imagination. My construction, gesture, and cross hatching are all shit.

How the fuck do I construct dynamic poses, please help me.

>>4159962
maybe i'm not understanding
what im saying is that in the drawing I made, the fact all 3 points are rather close together, is what gives that one structure its super tilt

>>4159968
what happens next? does anon lose?

>>4159975
Anon always looses

>>4159924
Not bad, anon, but I feel like the traps and shoulders shouldn't be represented with a straight line.
Also the thigh gap seems a bit too large.
Also stop hiding hands.

>>4159968
Do lots of gesture. The more poses you've drawn, the larger visual library you have to create poses from imagination. Get familiar with construction and drawing boxes in perspective. From there, it's just a matter of mileage.
Cross-hatching is about practicing forms and light, which is another topic. But if you understand boxes and construction, it can help you grasp hatching too.

>>4159942
See? Just another troll. On top of claiming to be an art expert, now you freaks claim to be psychiatrists.

>>4159989
Can I get some sources on some good material to learn this stuff. Especially construction gesture and pose.

Have I improved, anon-kun?

>>4160027
2bh lad I like the old style better

>>4160042

Really? What's better there?

>>4160048
looks more interesting and unique. Right one looks like the same cartoony style you can't escape anywhere these days
basically the old soul vs no soul meme, just my own opinion though

i'm not really an artist, more of a character designer
here's something I did kinda recently

Hey, I recently began drawing and I wanted to know what people thing of my "art", so yeah, I would like to read some advice if you have any.

>>4160053

So it's in the line? I wanted to keep it but I thought it looks too unpolished.

What would you say about this one, comparing to the previous?

>>4160058
Cool, but what is it supposed to be?

>>4159535
How am I supposed to make things look separate? Add little lines to them?

>>4160063
I like this one
I think you can polish it to look more detailed without making it cartoony, but I'm just /beg/ so what do I know

>>4156806
>>4159742
hand over the blog

>>4159535
Hey thanks for the redline, I appreciate it. Just one question How do I make each form look more separate? Add little lines in between them to define each form?

>>4160066
some kind of ninja demon. thanks, by the way. here's something I did today

>>4156822
great talent ADD ME
>>4158590
leave beg

>>4160062
Very cool, anon.
Are you planning to work in the game industry?

>>4160111
Thank you!
As cool as being a game developer must be i gotta admit that just the though is overwhelming, I think i´ll stick to pixel art for now but who knows, maybe in the future...

>>4160111
Here´s another one

>>4160121
Could use some more contrast since some of the foreground stuff blends in with the background a bit too much.
Other than that goodjob and keep at it.

Yeah I need to grind more loomis xdddd/

Am I gonna make it

>>4160173
From this image no, you symbol draw eyes and the anatomy is completely fucked.

>>4156821
You're good on that, but desu I find that drawing a simple line for it is way easier overall - also don't be as afraid to exaggerate the curve of the spine or the way it bends around, that's how you're gonna get those real dynamic poses.

>>4156854
Ever tried inking your drawings and erasing the pencil?

>>4160173
Sure, but first you need to work on that anatomy, mostly the boobs.

>>4160173
50/50

>>4156806
>people say to use Loomis for heads
>tfw don't understand how to make it work for anime

how the fuck do i into blending

>>4160135
You need to actually draw

>>4160048
Personally, i think the old style is better too. I don't enjoy the fact that you've hidden the unique anatomy with shading in your new style

>>4160083
Needs perspective, and form. It'll look more interesting that way anon. Good job though (:

>>4159851
Get a more interesting pose, look at reference of people who have black eyes

>>4160358
What does that mean.

>>4160435
Ignore him, he's making fun of you.

>>4160135
Please anon, crop your drawings, there is no benefit to posting a picture with 80% unused space

What is the best all in one tutorial video course that I can come out of knowing fundamentals? I can pirate from cgpeers

>>4160485
There is no such thing. Just fucking draw.

How do I into painting

>>4160053
>>4160368

So, you say, it'd be better that way? I also reduced shading down to 20%.

I'd like to make it looks more creepy and scratchy but I dunno how.

How much did I screw up?

>>4160727
Are you the Anon who drew the elf with six ears?

>>4160734
Yes.

>>4160727
jesus

I recently started a figure drawing class on the cheap, and am currently trying to get down the proportions of the torso. I've noticed a few bad habits I have, and was wondering if /beg/ had any suggestions on how to break them.

>I make torso waists too thin or thick
>I often make limbs too short, or (on occasion) too long
>I straighten out the pose, or fuck up the center line
>I fuck up on positioning women's breasts, or men's pectorals

I've started laying my drawings over screenshots of the pose I used to pinpoint my fuck-ups, and that's been extremely valuable. Hopefully over time I'll get better at picking them out with my naked eye.

Any help is appreciated, Based /ic/.

>>4160755
That bad?

>>4160727

Cursed image

>>4160727
The drawing itself isn't horrible, but the stylistic choices are extremely off-putting.

>chiseled abs on a woman
>massive cock bulge
>thousand-yard staring eyes
>whore-sized lips
>Weird belt bra design.
>obscenely huge calf muscles

>>4160768
So basically the main problem is my taste?

>>4160764

It really depends on what you've tried to draw. If to look at this as a regular normie:

- hands are too small and thin, especially the wrists.
- her(?) torso is grows somewhere on the right side of the body
- make her hair bigger and fluffy. Right now it looks as if she(?) put a toilet paper on her skull
- her(?) wrist should start at the lower side of the pelvis
- legs are too short. Upper and lower side (not including feet) should be the same size as a torso.

>>4160080
>Just one question How do I make each form look more separate?
Start with simple clearly defined forms like cubes, cylinders etc.
>Add little lines in between them to define each form?
Yes and no, adding little lines to indicate form isn't gonna do much if you're unaware of the larger form, the "little lines" are essentially just edges of the Form that are getting lost.
So the basic forms are really your bread and butter

>>4159717
Thanks man
I don't think I'm being to hard on myself though, like I said it's the best result of the bunch.
I'm fine with leaving the leaves simple as they're not the focus of the image, but I still think they look too harsh.
I should have made the brush a bit softer maybe...
But nevermind, I think I learned something so I'm not gonna dwell on it.

>>4160087
>leave beg
'kay T_T

>>4160763
What are your goals with drawing? If you want to draw from imagination, this kind of glass will only impede your progress because all you're doing is learning to copy 2d shapes.

>>4160727
I think you already know what you did wrong with the body, that's why you're posting it here. Instead I'll critique the overall design.

To me, it looks like you had no idea what you wanted to actually draw. The torso armor and shield Conan style classic bronze age barbarian aesthetic, but you added middle eastern sheer harem pants with a modern thong, weird high fantasy slippers that look impossible to walk in because they're 7 sizes too large, and slapped on a fucking high tech future punk looking mechanical arm and pauldron because why not I guess?? Nigga what the fuck is you doing?

>>4159968
Just literally take Vilppu's NMA figure drawing course. If you don't want to pay for it, it's on cgpeers. He'll literally teach you everything you need to start drawing good figures from life or imagination. Do it today, stop wasting time on stupid doodling. If you're gonna work hard, at least channel the energy into education.

>>4160777

She has a egyptian haristyle.
She's a shortie, the shortness is intentional.

>>4160786
If I knew what exactly was wrong, I would've squashid during sketching.

There is no torso "armor", everything aside from her hand and neck is regular clothing. Well, fantasy fancy lewd regular. I tried to go with egyptian fantasy on her. I dunno what gave you an impression it is high tech, those tube-like thingies?

>>4160781
Thank you. I think I get what you're saying and thanks for the visual aid.

I also tried again while keeping in mind what you said in your previous post. I think I did better but what do you think?

>>4160815
That arm is scifi as fuck. Have you ever looked at actual Egyptian garb or are you just guessing from cultural osmosis of exaggerated Egyptian aesthetic in media? The fact that you have to keep telling people it's supposed to be Egyptian should let you know it doesn't look it at all. Try again.

>>4160865
How? It's just fancy armor. You're imagining stuff.
Not historically accurate egyptian, but fantasy egyptian often depicted in media.

Feedback?

>>4160870
lmao alright good luck mate.

>>4160897
Thanks.

>>4160784
I'd definitely like to draw from imagination, but I have so little understanding of form or volume and a very limited visual library. I was hoping that the figure drawing class would help with that, as well as force me to break out of symbol drawing. I've already paid for the course, so I may as well finish it, but do you have any recommendations for specifically practicing drawing from imagination?

>>4158642
symbol clouds

>>4160789
>If you don't want to pay for it, it's on cgpeers
... Which is no longer accepting applications, so I guess if you can't afford it or already have a membership with CGpeers, you're fucked.

>Draw from reference
>Compare with reference, it's not quite right so I overlay the reference and fix what's wrong
>End up with basically a perfect image in the sense that all proportions are right and lines are where they should be
>Feel like a fraud because I've effectively produced a traced image now even though I started out just constructing it from scratch

I want to get better, and identifying mistakes by doing the overlay is so useful, but I feel like garbage afterward because the image that is on my canvas isn't "me" as such.
Am I just being unreasonable?

>>4160952
Stop doing that then

How big should I draw?

>>4160894

Except for the eyes, it's unironically cool as fuck.

>>4159017
>>4158528
neat

I've finally become adept enough at drawing hands to draw them reliably from memory, and have moved onto heads and faces, and have hit another roadblock. I really like drawing in segmented shapes as you can see illustrated, but I don't know how to apply this knowledge to learning how to draw faces. Any recommendations?

>>4160952
Seperate them.
Draw from reference, make a copy of the drawing and do what you do with the overlay, identify mistakes, and then redraw it from reference again.

Shapes

>>4161127
>>4161117
FIrst of all, resize your pictures

Anyway, the face can be divided into parts and therefore segmented pretty easily.
>>4159398 is an example of how Loomis does it. I also like to keep the planes of the face fairly separate when I try to construct one. So the side plane and the front plane are two distinct "boxes" in my mind which helps separate them.

Disclaimer : I am the worst /beg/ in the thread and you should absolutely not listen to me.
Read Loomis or some other book that talks about it.

Finished her.

Shapes
>>4161143
More shapes

For phone posters. I use this site to resize my images:
https://resizeimage.net/
You can resize and rotate. I am sure there is a app for it as well but my I can't install anymore apps on my pho e.

>>4161184
Your shapes are OK, but you should try breaking various objects down into shapes instead of just drawing them on their own.

Also, you shouldn't draw boxes as though you can see the back side (though there's no harm in knowing where it's supposed to be).

>>4161170
Color actually makes it worse. Holy shit.

>>4161197
Worse how?

critique pls

>>4161143
The shapes anon isn't me, I'm just the hands one. But thanks for the advice!

>>4161211
Ah, I just saw the resolution of the photo was the same so I assumed it was the same person.

Keep up the good work

How do I make it so when I’m drawing on digital my lines don’t continuously look like they are different thickness and opacity? I keep going over the same line so many times and it ends up looking dirty as fuck, so it looks like I chicken scratched the whole thing. Also lines look really trembly when I do long ones, maybe because I’m doing them too slowly? If I do them faster I can’t “aim” them right and I have to do them slower.

I'm totally gonna practice tomorrow for real guys, today I'm just absorbing artistic skill from browsing /ic/.

>>4161170
Man. I just came back to /beg/ after a couple months without drawing.I remember giving you some advice and also editing some of your stuff, like that green goblin and the elf.
You have obviously improved since then (like the lineart for example), but I still still think your biggest problem is making stuff way too exaggerated in a way that screams "WESTERN ART!!"
The muscles in her belly look like a weird knotted rope and she doesn't seem to have an actual bellybutton. Eye should be covered by the hair instead of jutting out. Clow shoes make her look goofy and "WESTERN!!!"

Anyway, I still think you are doing great. Just keep in mind you should exaggerate a bit less and create pleasing compositions and framing.

>>4159866
Uh, sorry to bother, but can someone post some critique or advice? A couple friends of mine said I made it look way too trippy like I was smoking something.
Als,o here's her face in detail.

>>4159866
>pregnant succubus/demon girl
I didn’t know I had this fetish. Art seems really good as it is, like the dark contrast.

I think I made her a giant but I'm still proud of it, how do you rate it?

>>4159924
>>4159986
Ty anon, I still struggle with lower arms hands legs and proportions whenever I start doing quick gestures, here is today from imagination.
I think my problem is that I most of the time I do lines without thinking and I’m going too fast my brain can’t keep up, I need to slow down I guess.

>>4161415
It's actually a baphomet. I'm always pestering anons and writers requesting a story about a baphomet from MGE being aged up with magic into an adult. Time passed by and I decided to do it myself.
Next drawing I have in mind is either another drawing of her on bed but on a different angle, or her dressed up as a nun and praying.

>>4161229
Does your drawing program have a stabilizer option? That should help a lot.

does How to Render teach /beg/ how to shade? i need a resource that goes big on it instead of “hur make chicken scratches and get three-dee”

critique would be much appreciated

>>4161672
Very nice simplification of color, blending needs work.

>>4161612
I use Procreate on an iPad Pro.

>>4161710
yeah for sure. i watched sinix's video on digital painting and he said to stick with hard brushes. i guess i'll keep doing more studies like this.

>>4161612
OK in the individual brush settings there should be something called streamline. You can change that for each brush and adjust it to your liking. Hope that helps.

>>4161727
Your art is honestly very very good, a suggestion for a piece like this though would be to set up a perspective box to keep everything lined up, unless you purposefully left the lower jaw offset

New thread soon?

>>4157548
An absolute pain to look at

>>4158530
Here's something for ya

>>4161369
Thanks. I didn't try to intentionally exaggerate anything, or folow some western paradigm. This one I actually used an asian artist as soft reference (I didn't draw from any of his pics directly, but I had his works open, and I browsed through them, observing how he handles different bodyparts and stuff).

Bellybutton is supposed to be above the belly piercing.

Well, the parts of the eyes that are covered are actually covered, or you mean her bans should be lower?

>>4160087
Don't ever add this guy. He's a fucking retard.

60s gesture drawings.

Am I doing this right? I'm studying from Hampton's book, but he covers so much that I'm afraid I'm not thinking about everything he wrote while drawing.

Ok guys, I moved even further. Destroy me pls.

>>4162036
Gradients are bad please never use them
You could have made it way better if you just took a big textured brush and scribbled with it for a sec

new
>>4162131
>>4162131
>>4162131

>>4160210
I do that. Sometimes. Very rarely. Sorry.

>>4161802
this was my reference