/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I got a batch of studies to post and saw this thread in the catalog but it got me questioning if these threads are worth posting to?

>>4152294
Please do. I’m learning.

Got around to coloring it. Trying to be faithful to the original material

>>4151768
i didn't redraw, but can totally recommend analyzing the drawings of artists you like and drawing the construction 'dummy' you deduce they used on a layer above the original drawing

>>4152724
cute, but imho the variable opacity of the linework clashes with the cel shading

>>4152284
Greetings /asg/.

>>4152828
Okay now this is just too much even with all the whackjobs the site brings in.
Why are there no sclera? Why put in ovals that are the complete antithesis of reflective anime eyes? Why is the right side of the hair different from the left? Why are there no mammaries? Why are there no curves? Why are the hands small? What led to this? None of this makes sense. How does this work? Someone please tell me how this came to be. The fucking loli Nico poster is less confusing than this.

>>4152828
Hi deviantart

>>4152828
Orie players are based.

>>4152853
Stop being a sperg. You wanted an "anime" study thread, reap what you sow cunt.

>>4152861
This thread certainly brings the best of What this board has

>>4152862
Honestly can't tell if people are being ironic or they are just plain retarded anymore.

>>4152815
>variable opacity of the linework
Thank you. What do you mean by variable opacity of the linework? I would really like to fix it

>>4152828
I'm scared bros, is this a carrier of the loli disease?

I started drawing today. The previous thread was talking about copying references and applying Loomis. I gave it a try. Are my heads correct so far? I hope to learn lots here.

>>4152938
the perspective of your brow lines are not correct. the brow line is where the top of the eye (hence brow) should meet, but you're just kind of wildly placing the eyes wherever. The brow line is the equator of the sphere, you should be able to draw lines of longitude and latitude on a sphere in any position accurately. If not, study perspective. For example, in the bottom left one, your brow line points upwards when it should really be more flat/ downwards and line up with the top of the eyes. The top right is the closest, but think of the face as more of a plane with many different surfaces rather than just a round sphere.

>>4152988
I assumed I'd need to bend the brow line to match raise eyebrows and whatnot. I'll work on it. Thanks.

>>4152938
if you're just starting out, i wouldn't recommend doing this exercise. the point of the exercise is to deconstruct the stylization of anime into real world perspective. you won't learn from the deconstruction if you're doing it incorrectly, and you can't do it correctly until you learn proper perspective. i suppose theoretically you could pick up perspective intuitively if you continue to do this, but it's much faster to just learn it separately on it's own
> I hope to learn lots here.
grab what you need from the artbook thread and get out while you still can

>>4153003
Any recommended material to reach your level of deconstruction?

>>4152988
Is this better? I don't really get how to plot the side circles for the flattened part.

>>4153003
Is it really that bad? I think I'm more confused about the method.

>>4153029
i learned perspective mostly from eric olson's video lectures. it's really long and boring if you're not into that kinda stuff but it's also pretty comprehensive
>>4153030
it's not bad at all considering that you just started drawing. there is no real method, it's just seeing how the bilateral symmetry of a face would line up in perspective, and understanding the tilt of the head on 3 axes

>>4153003
Too much loomis
Think of the face as a mask

>>4153045
Alright. I skimmed through Norling book in the artbook thread. Nothing in it seemed foreign to me. I think I understand it enough, but drawing it is a different beast. I understand the concept of how the eyes should be drawn, but actually drawing them to be different level/shape/size is hard atm. I didn't spend much time on these either desu. Quick one-offs really.

Would you be able to do this one as an example for me? This one had me wondering the most. The head down, eyes up confuses me I guess.

>>4152938
hair have a mass, don't include them into your ball construction, try to think of the cranium, try to think in planes
align the center of the side sphere with the top of the eye, works better like this usually than reaching for styled eyebrows
imo you lack the knowledges to get much content out of this practice, you need the basics like perspective and anatomy of the face so you know what you're observing and how stylized it is otherwise you're just going to seethe over how nothing fits into the loomis memethod

>>4153045
kek I remember you, I was the one posting that pic like 4 months ago
do you know if Minaba, the gbf art director, ever post his rendering process somewhere?

>Try some head tips from the thread
>Actually improving
Now if only I could stop chicken scratching and actually place the eyes on the right places

>>4153086
How do you fucks not get bored at drawing 3/4 faces in the same angle

>>4153093
What other angles should I do?

>>4153095
Weird angles, like looking at the head from the worm view or from the birds eye view and then pushing the angle even more while also tilting the head slightly

>>4153078
>you need the basics like perspective and anatomy of the face
Any tips where I should start?

>>4153097
perspective made easy(easy but short)/how to draw by scott robertson(in depth but hard to grasp for begs when it gets technical)/eric olson 21parts video (very thorough but also very long with lot of repeat). the list goes on, perspective is one of the most covered topic, go to the artbook thread and pirate some ressources I listed, one will click with you eventually
>anatomy
any anatomy book like anatomy for sculptor, loomis... or video course like scott eaton, proko, huston steve...

>>4153100
how does anatomy help with anime?

>>4153078
>imo you lack the knowledges to get much content out of this practice
How so?

>>4153066
this one is kind of difficult because i'm not really sure the artist was cared all too much about perspective
>>4153078
haha yeah i keep a folder of my old 4chan posts because some of them are pretty reuseable. this is the only video that i've found of his process
https://youtu.be/j6SV1ad4Luo

>>4153106
kek
>>4153108
literally written right after that sentence

>>4153109
Thanks.

>>4153110
I know what I'm observing.

>>4153056
thanks for the tip anon, but i don't think i'm doing it right...

>>4153112
Ah ok

>>4153115
Watch Sinix video about it, he explains it more thoroughly

>>4153109
that's also the only content I've found on my own
feels bad

>>4152891
in the fingernails and the chain links near the choker the lines fade near the ends like with a pencil, but in animation the lines are cleaned up so that the width might vary but the opacity is 100% everywhere. so if you want it to look like an actual frame from animation, you have to use a brush with pressure opacity and pressure fade disabled.

it's probably easier in other software, but i just tried adjusting the contrast in photoshop and had to put the linework on a white background for this to work:
>put an empty layer below the line layer, fill it with white
>use 'merge layer' to flatten the line onto the white layer
>set the layer blending mode on this new layer to 'Multiply'
>go to Image -> Adjustments -> Levels and drag the grey arrow in the middle towards the white arrow at the right, then drag the white arrow left until the line widths look good
could also use a 'Levels' adjustment layer with a clipping mask for the last step. lines end up aliased and jaggy, but there's a plugin here that'll fix it https://olm.co.jp/rd/technology/tools/?lang=en

I'm not sure where this question would be best suited and I dont want to make a thread so i'll just ask here since its used a lot in anime

I like using overlay layers to add shadows and it works very well for everything except skintones, basically what do you do to make it work for skintones?

How do I determine where to put the side circle?
Sure, it's usually around where the ear/start of jaw is (I think), but I won't know where the ear would be if I'm making a drawing from scratch and need to construct it

>>4153152
something like this

>>4153135
Japanese don't generally use overlay I believe, that is, seeing process in books, videos and streams, I have only seen normal layers for skin blushing. What are the benefits of using overlay? Other than toning the entire drawing which I've seen people do

>>4153152
Where eyebrows end, Anon showed it nicely

>>4153152
Start it behind the zygomatic bone. So learn how to identify that bony landmark first. The circle roughly corresponds to the the chewing muscles called the temporalis which fit into a flat area on the sides of the skull. Obviously it isn't a perfect circle in nature and each head is different, but the zygomatic bone is a structure you can reliably find.

>>4153167
and how do I know where the eyebrows are supposed to be when I just have nothing but a circle

Just admit it, you guys already know how the head is gonna turn out before you start working on the construction, a clear image in your head, it's nothing but a meme. I can't make any sense out of anything, and my NPC head won't show me clear images in my mind. Every guide I watch the guy just says "do dis line here and do dis line here and u have face", there is no logic behind it's just a matter of having a feel for it, and I don't have any talent for this so I can't grasp it.

I give up.

>>4153177
I've drawn ton of skulls and studied specific parts over and over. This shit takes a lot of time and effort.

>>4153177
Nice blogpost anon!
Tldr just draw more heads from reference and study the skull

>>4153188
How am I going to draw more heads if I don't understand how? It's like telling me to put together a computer when I don't even know what a power supply is.

I can copy heads better without the construction, it makes more sense that way, but the moment I try to do the 3D construction circle magic shit then everything falls apart because I don't understand

>>4153193
Download the Scott Eaton skull course. Watch the week 1 videos, take notes and do the assignments where you trace construction on top of the skull images supplied. Then get back to me.

>>4153200
>Download the Scott Eaton skull course
Where?

Hi

>>4152724
Feels a little too dark.

>>4152828
cute

>>4152724
10/10 would impregnate

>>4153086
chicken scratch is a meme as long as it doesnt affect your line art nobody will care

Anyone have an idea as to what kind of pen/pen settings to use for this? Really love this style.

guys do you have any guide or tuts on hair, my hair drawing seems flat and looks dead, unless i straight up copying hair from ref I can't make it look 3d

>>4153563
Just copy and study a lot of hair till you build a visual library of hair styles and design to the point you could just shit them out.

>>4152297
Nice. I like the face you’ve draw up.

>>4153517
Default hard round brush? Anon are you retarded?

>>4129608

>>4153892
Blog

>>4153892
>>>>4153232
4130133

>>4153922
thats really damn good anon

>>4153922
>>4130133
how annoying...

Anyone got some lip advice?

>>4150705
aight heading out.

>>4154001
thats great but can you please show me the building blocks/loomis

>>4152853
IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE WHAT DO YOU MEAN WHAT DO MEAN THESE EYES ARE CAPABLE OF SIGHT

>>4129608

>>4154001
>>4153922
>elf ears
based

>>4153115
heh

>>4153177
ah the struggles of an aphantasiac

>>4153922
>>4153892
Really nice work anon

>>4153115
why does she wear the mask?

>>4153003
This way of anime deconstruction is extremely similar to the one shown in Manga Materials. Is there any book which cover this particular kind of construction in detail?

How long did it take you guys to be able to draw your own things?
I practiced drawing heads and loomis for 2 days, but I still can't draw one on my own. It's frustrating.

I wanted to draw the character in the reference image facing a different angle, but I can't. As you can see, my construction sucks too because I had to deviate from it since the jaw would've been too wide otherwise..
Scrapped.

>>4155127
>for 2 days
try 2 months

>>4155141
How many hours? I have the program on steam so I have a recording of it and I spent 14 hours over 2 days practicing. 3 hours today on the one I posted

>>4155142
>How many hours
as many hours as you need to get it, maybe more

>>4155127
Do not start with completed eyes

>>4155156
They were empty sockets first and then I filled them out, is that something I should do at the end?

>>4155158
try after marking all the other facial features, like just make the eyes 2 straight lines and find the mouth, nose, ears

I haven't seen the /sqg/ in a while (or maybe I missed it), but I'm going to ask my stupid question here since its related to my goals.

Right now I'm cutting off digital to get good in drawing on paper. My biggest gripe is that when I'm copying reference off of pics, my traditional sketches get "distorted" when I scan my pictures. The scan is fine- its when I'm drawing on paper is when it happens.
Also to clarify, its not my mistakes on the line angles I try to copy, its the horizontal/vertical frames and grid.

How do I train my eye to see perfectly vertical lines and to create them?
>hurr durr just put a ruler up your face
but even then the angle will be a few degrees off, resulting in a subtle diagonal. The edges of the paper looked fucked to me as well.

Is this correct?
I... don't know how to fill it out though, I guess its because of inexperience, how is the construction itself though?
It's supposed to be looking down and right

>>4155312
Do yourself a favor and read Scott Robertson's "How to Draw" and then move on to Hampton.

>>4155344
>Scott Robertson's "How to Draw
If I start forcing myself to draw vehicles i'm immediatly gonna lose interest and quit

>>4155347
It's a fucking meme just stick to loomis hampton and proko

>>4155371
t-thanks do you have anything to say about >>4155312 because everyone kinda ignored it to repeat the DUDE REALISM meme

What can i read that isn't loomis? I own his books and I've tried going back to them several times and it never works out.

>>4155414
You're on the right track but the vertical center line is a bit off near the end because you stopped following the form, you'll get better at it though, it's all about practice and experience.

>>4155414
Find your 3 axes and make sure the tangents of the curves hit them properly. Draw through and think in 3D. You can call things memes all you want but it’s only going to stunt your growth. Most resources recommended around here are good but /beg/s like to cope by calling things memes. Despite that being the culture around here, it’s probably in your best interest to not follow suit

>>4155418
Or maybe just don't read and study how other artist approach construction. Everyone has their own way.

>>4155344
>recommending a book for drawing technically perfect architecture and vehicles to someone who just wants to draw waifus
lol.

>>4155444
What page of scott robertson is this

>>4155127
It depends on your experience prior to Loomis. I noticed a big difference drawing various angles from imagination after ~20 heads, but I've probably put thousands of hours into drawing, just never learned good construction.

You have some problems with perspective. Try to draw from photos for now, and without any stylization, you should see the difference quick this way. Have you watched all videos from Proko on Loomis heads? Don't continue mindlessly grinding. After watching you can practice just the spheres, and "cut" them in half with the center line, make sure it follows the shape of the sphere. Your center line doesn't follow the sphere so well, and it extends down in a curved way. Make sure to focus on this,to become comfortable with the primitives.

>>4155455
>thinks rough freehand perspective is “technically perfect”
yikes.

>>4155487
>Try to draw from photos for now
Can I just do the construction and stop there, or do I need to go all the way and draw in detailed, realistic, facial features and do shading?
>Have you watched all videos from Proko on Loomis heads?
I'll watch them

>>4155513
>Do I need to go all the way and draw in detailed, realistic, facial features and do shading?

No, don't worry about that anon. Only elipses for eyes and lips, a 3d diamond shape for the nose, lines for eyebrows, etc

>>4155513
Aw yes, mastering realism to its fullest. Something that certainly and without doubt went into that drawing of the blue hair girl around the beginning of the thread. A true necessity.

>>4155649
No one is even advocating that. Plus, realism isn’t even that hard, stop coping

>>4155698
Yeah, realism simply means not stylized. Most of character concept art for games

This might be a retarded question but what hues do you guys consider for cute anime girls posing on a blank white canvas?

>>4156144
Blonde and blacked

This might be a retarded question but what hues do you guys consider as a light source for cute anime girls posing on a blank white canvas?

>>4155656
tatsumaki-chan is so pretty in her dress

>>4156146
I'm not sure if I understand the question correctly, but I've seen very pale blue/teal hues used for light

I drew this without reference
The focus was the head and eyes, but I fucked up hard, I haven't studied how to draw throats or anything else yet.
Can I have some advice please, especially on the eyes. I don't really know how to draw the one that's further away

>>4156654
BIG BRAIN

>>4152938
Just draw more and keep putting in effort.
These heads as of now look quite a bit distorted.

I don't think you have the knowledge/skill to put down a correct perspective as of yet which is to be expected if this is your first attempt.

Keep on trying Anon :^) Don't mind the haters too much on /ic/ sometimes its just not constructive on /ic/ and just don't get too upset about that if that happens.

>>4153152
Go watch some more tutorials you'll get a feel for it in a couple days if you do it right, here it's definitely off but keep on trying.

>>4155312
It takes a little time but this one looks a lot better than that previous one.

>>4156654
Yes, the perspective on the eyes is too extreme compared to the face.

Something doesn't look quite right with the body here. Advice?

>>4157546
the dicks look nice and i usually don't like dicks.

>>4156654
I love how flat and lack luster the hair is lmao

>>4129608
Tried. Only studying head at the moment so it was my first time doing body. Can't draw eyes well from imagination either, it feels like everything I study has wildly different styles for that.

does anyone know artists with exceptionally good mark-making? i tried to focus on making nice marks to draw a simple head

>>4157546
It looks a bit stiff. I would give it a slight twist, and tilt the hips the opposite direction to the shoulders

>>4157767
I can only think of Kenshi Yonezu atm

>>4157767
Who's the artist drew your pic? It looks really good

>>4158154
Isn't that anon's? I think I recognize his artstyle from previous threads. God I wish someone said this to me someday

>>4158150
Post the untumblrized version.

>>4157817
although i like his music more than his artwork, i see what you mean about his marks. thanks for bringing him to my attention, i didn’t even know he drew
>>4158154
thanks, it’s my work. tried to put nicer lines on top a doodle

>>4158174
but it's muh style >.<

you guys have any advice on how to make this look like less beg trash. -_-

>>4157767
Try looking into rkgks of artists. They usually put simplified style on their work

>>4158189
where did you learn to render like that?

No where what do you recommend I watch to improve?

>>4158206
i meant it seriously cause I can't do that :(

Dude I don't think I'm the kinda guy you should be asking but I'm flattered.

>>4158216
the reason I ask you: yes you are average, but for your level I think the rendering is very good and I am struggling with that, being also /beg/

Well a lot of it is observation based as well as painting and blending over edges and using darker shades in between lighter color to shade

>>4158189
i wouldn’t be so hard on it anon, i think it’s nice. I know a lot of anons here shy away from it, but it might benefit you to do some studies from reality at this point. specifically hands, facial anatomy (you might think it’s stupid to do so for anime, but it really helps), and drapery folds. the colors are appealing, so don’t be surprised that the other anon is asking you for advice
>>4158191
i did some googling and found some stuff i’m really into, thanks anon! despite googling, i’m retarded and still can’t figure out what rkgks is though, is it some girl’s frontline thing?

>>4158226
rkgk = 落書き (rakugaki), meaning doodle

>>4158236
i see, that’ll be a useful search term, thanks

was entering this thread to forever suck the dick of anyone who could link me this book, then i checked the op

a thousand arigato for the existence of these threads

>>4158244
Only because I like precure

https://e-hentai.org/g/1273166/18b592b913/

Can anyone post some useful texturing tutorials? Someone here once posted useful PBR level stuff but I lost it. What's the most popular way to have both simple and complex textures and rendering anyway? That's the hardest part for me.

>>4158184
What material do you recommend for learning? What material allowed you to make the biggest jump regarding gains?

>>4158189
Don't call yourself beg, anon. Your problem is mostly composition and perspective. There is not much going on. Download dozens or hundreds of illustrations from yande.re from favorite artists using a booru grabber, and look what they're doing with perspective, poses, composition... There is a pattern. You should also try thumbnailing.

>>4158535
in terms of drawing, i got the most gains by focusing on two main areas: drawing in proportion and drawing in perspective. look around and use whatever material you can digest to help you in that regard. personally, i like atelier style training and dorian iten’s method for proportions. as for perspective, i like scott robertson and eric olson. i use these two skills to study (deconstruct and reconstruct with perspective, measure distance and angles with proportion) from life and from anime artists that i like. hope this helps, good luck!

>>4158621
desu, i like framed perspective a lot more for both concepts, at least with drawing people. olson and robertson are much more “architectural” and not good for /beg/.

>>4158556
I'm sorry for calling myself beg it's just when there are others who aren't quite to my skill level it's just kinda hard when there are others who you feel are so much better ya know.

>>4158677
yeah i just gave personal examples since anon asked me where i made the biggest jumps. the technical shit never bothered me too much because i mainly did programming before i started to draw. i’ve skimmed framed perspective before and it looks pretty good, but honestly i think most resources are quite good and you just have to look around to see which one is most digestible at your level. anyway, if we’re talking about the hypothetical complete /beg/, you can’t go wrong with keys to drawing

Any tips on necks/connecting neck to shoulders? It's a weak spot for me and I'm going to check out some anatomy on it, but I'd like some 'anime-style' tips too. Most of my favorite artists don't really draw that part exposed so its quite hard to study. Thanks!

So which style are you going for, /asg/-kun

>>4159150
none of them, i don't think you can encompass all styles in 4 images. i do like this pic though, did you do it? without the letters it could be a cool pop art thing.

>>4159161
I just found it on /a/

>>4159150
this is weirdest political compass image i ever seen

>>4159150
Im probably a mix of B C and D. Never A

>>4158189
This is so cute! There’s something about the hair I really like. It’s different, like it’s got less opacity than most anime girls, it really brings out a feeling of realism somehow

>>4159150
Is this a Loss reference?

>>4156654
did some stuff up on my phone. let me know if i need to clarify anything

>>4158189
this isn't beg, but the head is a bit small and the perspective seems wonky. just use more reference and keep drawing, i like your style a lot anon

>>4158189

>>4159146
I use the sternocleidomastoid to connect the head down to the shoulders. It kinda helps me find the center of the collarbones, eventually placing the neck and head. But this is just my autistic way of connecting it. I'm still having trouble doing it when the pose is foreshortened or in extreme angles

>>4159150
this one

>>4159146
Check out any sports anime/manga. Plenty of exposed upper bodies there.

>>4159269
yikes!

>>4159356
>chunky hair
ew

>>4159371
pyw fgt

>>4159356

>>4159150
Mine is literally highly rendered and very angular in terms of shape design akin to Tan Zhi Hui, with a lot of hard edges and few soft edges sprinkled around. I’m much more of a painterly person to begin with.

>>4159356

>>4159380
Clover is better than Mimi, get it from F-droid, you won't regret it

>>4159380
>>4159383
pyw :)

>>4159356
The circle doesn't even line up with her head..

>>4159269 has weird neck placement but the hair is more decent t bh

>>4159404
>the hair is more decent t bh
I meant the overall head is good

>>4159404
The point of the circle construction is that the eye is supposed to be aligned. As you can see, the alignment is correct.

None of the begs managed to figure out the most obvious flaw - I didn't draw eyebrows. Yikes! Also being able to depict volume with hair is anything but a flaw.

Actual yikes! Pic related, my face.

>>4159417
Bad bait

>>4159417
>The point of the circle construction is that the eye is supposed to be aligned
low q bait but it's suppose to serve as the guideline for drawing the skull/head which didn't even align on your third step lol

>>4159422
Stay deviantart tier my friend. Also pyw so I can laugh at you.

>>4159424
There is no single circle, I use it align eyes. You can do whatever you want.

Is it crab time?

>>4159417
>>4159356
uh the eyes don't even line up properly

>>4159429
sure why not

>>4159433
What does “lining up properly” mean to you? And why do they need to “line up properly”?

>>4159429
Crabs be crabbing. Remember that any crit you get here is automatically dogshit until they post their work. Because there are some real deviantart teir perma-begs here.

>>4159429
it keeps the thread alive

>>4159438
because those eyes look derpy af

>>4159454
Why don’t you fix them or show me some of your work where the eyes “line up properly”?

>>4159400
I don't plan to prove myself in front of a complete /beg/ who has only saw anime on deviantArt and hasn't even put effort to research how good anime artists tend to use construction. Think before you "yikes" someone else's work, especially since they're visibly more experienced and you can't even draw your chickenscratched pupils straight.

>>4159429
People say Dunning-Kruger is a meme but it's true that the ones "yikesing", "pyw" self-conscious faggots are always stuck in the phase where someone told them to get out of /beg/ once but will never become a pro, keeping chickenscratching off their favorite artist works' and barking on social media. It's not a coincidence professional artists are very humble.

>>4159474
tl;dr

if you don’t pyw you’re trash lmao

>>4159459
is this an elaborate bait for someone to redline and fix your work

>>4159484
kek

>>4159484
p
y
w

>>4159474
>muh chicken scratch
>muh too good to post my work
>muh deviantart

A lot cope for a crab!

>>4159484
No, fuck off. No one is asking you do anything you don’t want to do.

>>4159380
What is this suppose to prove other than you’re retarded?

>>4159496
not him but the mouth is misplaced along with the rest of the face

>>4159494
aww so tsundere

>>4159494
Keep projecting with those buzzwords, retard. I'm getting closer and closer to making it and drawing everyday for years, are you? Or do you use that time for smashing F5 for hours with your mouth foaming?

>>4159630
nice

>>4159680
Looks like shit, gratz

>>4159680
>he can only nitpick the ears
that's a yikes for me

>>4159731
kek cope harder

>>4159885
>>4159630

Is there a reason why the face looks so bad?

/ic/ - Pyw & Yikes

>>4159940
anon wanted a redraw so I made him one

Any good rendering tutorials? Even with reference I can't get it right.

>>4154003

>>4159935
You're defensively backfiring all the buzzwords you've heard for months if not years, aren't you? Go and draw faggot, git gud, and stop projecting for your own good. I'm sincerely doing great and one of the reasons for it is dropping jealousy and hatred towards other artists who were younger, had more skill, or way better opportunities. I don't spend time on feeling bad about myself and my skill or hating on other artists online, so I can draw daily, relaxed and focus on improvement and advice from better artists. Look into it, change the attitude and enjoy the gains.

>>4160197
that's good to hear

>>4152828
kawaii desu ne

>>4159630
kek nice work

>>4160108
>that hip bone foreshortening
Genuinely what the fuck. This is too difficult. Might as well just give up at this point.

>>4152938
Cool. All you got to do now is figure out how your chin line and ear connect because currently they're pretty wonky. Other than that the eyes, nose, and mouth are okay; you just have to grind those out until you feel out the nuances of those relationships. I just really want to say is keep at it and keep grinding; do a bjillion and eventaully you will enjoy the fruits of your labor.

>>4160369
I love you so much! It depresses me and enlightens me that you exist!

>>4152853
BOOOO get off the stage.

>>4160371
>>4160369
>yea dude/dudette. If i drew like this i'd be pretty happy. I really do like the effective cross hatch lines to make the values daker.

>>4158189
This is really cute. The shadows are questionable but overall the rendering as a whole is actually really pleasing. I feel like a simple background would be super effective. Also, I like this enough to ask you if you have a blog/tumblr/twitter to see your progress.

>>4160379
bagh didnt mean to greentext

>>4160353

a simpler version, i broke it down to 4 steps. Pay attention to how i get the angle for the hip bone placements. Follow the steps circled in order from #1-4
I circled in purple where the general connection for the thighs would be. you don't have to draw them in right away.

>>4152284
Can I start with anime drawing if I'm just starting out or do I need to learn the basics and then come back to anime drawing?

>>4152297
Draw a spine first so you dont misplace the head like this.

>>4160588
Learn them side by side but only do an anime drawing after you've studied the real life equivalent of what your stylizing
Know the rules before you break them

>>4160588
why don't you look at some of the posts in this thread and reconsider why the "basics / fundamentals" are called that

>>4160369
cute yurus!

>>4160588
Learn both like what >>4160645 said

>>4160645
This

>>4159269
>>4159356
>>4159630
yuh

>>4161022
ayy lmao
nice linework tho

>>4161022
It seems like most of the guidlines you made in step 2 are kinda pointless in the end, but nice-looking face.

Hey dudes, I just discovered a Jap artist who has uploaded hundreds of hours of footage (not sped up) to his youtube channel. And its all free. This is a pretty damn good find.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3hj8o4ZQjIOVKJ4WEk9F1A/videos

>>4161242
thanks for sharing, but how much do you really plan to watch?

>>4161242
That's someone who collects videos.

I was wondering why nearly every video other video had a different style so I looked up their channel description

>Just my personal video storage.
>All videos are collected from different sources and >don't belong to me.
>Some of the pixiv streams were recorded by me, >some others were taken from bilibili.

>If you want to contact me about copyright issues >or something else please use the e-mail below:
>sirokiyuki /at/ gmail /dot/ com

good resource
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsundoku

>>4153086
this was a fun distraction from work

>>4161242
Thank you so much anon

time to frantically ink this

>>4156654
eh

>>4161263
Yea, may download a couple just in case someone nukes it.

>>4161022
Too much Loomis

>>4161388
Blog

>>4161424
slow down, and use reference more. i can see that you're getting your cvonstruction knowledge from various sources but your anatomy and general proportions are still awkward.

>>4161410
>blog
www.twitter.com/subudraws/
hopefully i helped that anon, he never responded

>>4161430
thank you! and yes , you are right. I usually don't use references. But i started doing figure drawing more often and some studies here and there so let's hope for some progress.

>>4161311
Glad you had fun with it

>>4156654
my turn

coloring sucks balls
i understand why kim jung gi never does it

>>4161362

>>4153056
>>4153115
a-anon...?

Im >>4161424
I just remembered i wanted to ask this along with my sketch.
Is it possible to build a fan base when you sort of lack style consistency?
I love drawing but I have this serious problem where i lack a specifc workflow and a specific style due to my need to experiment and constantly try new stuff. Usually it depends on how i feel and my mood. Sometimes i go straight to colouring and im building it along the way on a single layer feeling no type of fear that i might end fucking up the whole drawing. Other times i sort of start with cell shading and render it afterwards.
And same goes for stylization. I just fear that if i stick to only one way of doing things i'm sort of losing all the other posibilites of resolving things and improving.
And from time to time i sort of get bored and i don't know how to keep myself interested in a specific workflow.
I wish i could choose something and stick with it but i enjoy drawing in so many different ways.
Do i lack discipline? Should i force myself to stylize in only one way if i want to "make it"?
Also sorry for my bad english.

>>4161505
okay first calm down
stop trying to "make it" and try to find things that make drawing fun for you

figure out what your goals are and study artists who have styles you want to achieve
actually design something, whether it be a concept or an illustration. making finished work will expose your weaknesses way more and force you to grow 10 more than a bunch of shitty doodles
join a community that encourages and can give you advice directly, ie discord servers or IRL groups

>>4161489
Yeah! Gal-O-Sengan

>>4161521
>>4161424
Eh, what the heck I'll toss you redlines as well. Even if I screw it up, hopefully we can both learn something.

>>4161503
kek I know that ref

>>4160674
>>4160371
>>4160369
why does this guy always get praise, not trying to be a crab but its not much better than the other shit posted here. chicken scratch, no construction, poor placement of facial features. love for yurus perhaps?

>>4161842
What’s the problem with having no construction? Once you wasted enough time mastering something construction start becoming to be a waste of time. Construction is a good learning tool but you need to use what you learned from all those studying and apply it to your work via sketching it without construction. And no, guidelines doesn’t equate to construction

>>4161842
eh it's decent enough but yeah, it lacks proper construction and cleaner linework

>>4161851
but this guy clearly needs some form of construction considering he doesn't have the proportions correct. I wouldn't say he has spent quite enough time mastering it yet.

>>4161875
He probably lacks mileage and not being able to feel the form. Solution is to copy and study both animu and realistic faces.

>>4161842
hmm ? i thought others anons were beign ironic,i didn't like the result, honestly.

thanks, i will gladly take the feedback, i'm triyng to hide my shit lines with some flat hatching.
pic is some shitty fanarts i did past weeks, the facial features are alright ? i will try using more construction

>>4161893
>tfw your favorite /ic/ artist doesn't have self-worth despite being honest

>>4161893
how do you have the patience to do all that hatching

>>4161842
I like looking at his art, it fills me with a good feeling

>>4161842
Because their drawings make me happy, you faggot.

>>4161842
You can get praise for free by doing yurus or touhous even if you are shit.

western anime study

>>4162143
you're getting so good

>>4162143
The girl in the photo is trillion times cuter and hotter than your western anime creature.

>>4162143
Remember to tilt the shoulders anon

>>4162151
3DPD can never be cute.

I tried another one :)
drew in bigger area
scanner makes all lines super visible tho :(

>>4161893
I want to punch the top left picture for some reason

>>4162467
Fumiko did nothing wrong

>>4160369
Do you draw Endros too?

>>4162467
Do not bully Kaos!

sup, /asg/. doodled the girl i posted last thread once again

>>4162683
Blog?

>>4162683
im gonna coom

>>4162804
Cute! Your style reminds me of Minaba Hideo.

>>4159339
This is art goals, do they have a social media?

>>4162828
Thanks! That is one of his characters. Hes the reason why I started drawing so I view him as my master

>>4159150
my god and master in the top left.

>>4159150
Definitely B. How do I do it boys? I love it so much and it brings my heart joy, but my hand isn’t able to replicate any of this.

>>4159150
This one

>>4152284
when it comes to a high-detail study, should i be going for accuracy or appeal? in a piece i'm working on right now, i think i overworked in terms of accuracy and lost my appeal in the process. now i'm left with something that is well-rendered, but not perfect enough to be as tasteful as the original, and not separate enough to be it's own work..

Anyone got any tutorials or brushsets etc by Krenz? I really want to know how he figures out his colors and lighting for his scenes.

>>4163030
If I told you he uses default would you be surprised

>>4159150
this one

>>4162848
for next time, iqdb gets you the artist if their stuff's been posted to Gelbooru

she goes by @Rei_17 for twitter, and 零@通販始めた (id: 74184) for pixiv

Did art for Lee-Enfield and Ribbey-Rolles on Girls Frontline, the Official Mascot designs for IFF Toronto, some Touhou album covers, and lots of fanart. Their pixiv has most of their finished stuff, twitter has some sketchbook stuff too that is extremely good and worth checking out

I've always wanted to do one of those several pose images and this is what I got so far. Been working on getting anime body proportions to look more pleasing rather than having realistic body with an anime head on it

working on lineart but it still feels really rough. Also working on coloring. Been trying to stay away from using really saturated colors and being purposeful with it. I just learned about grays and neutrals and while they make navigating the color wheel feel better I'm still feeling out how unsaturated i can go before it feels dead. Would like to know how you guys handle color especially saturation.

>>4163180
work on the face/hair brother

>>4162987
I like how he made a saliva drop and a tear parts of his style

>>4163015
Pyw? I will try to give some tips if I can

>>4163180
You develop a feel for it eventually, but generally don't shade with the same hue. It's rare that it looks good. Studies help a lot imo, you notice patterns in color combination and are able to use them in your own art. For anime coloring reference you should look for magazine series "CG Illustration Technique Let's make Character". I wish I could give more advice, but you just kinda feel it afterwards, also look into Sycra, Sinix, Tyler Edlin, Marco Bucci on YouTube

>>4163245
not really helpful advice but i did go back to look at this morning and I think what you meant is the hair is chunky and the face symmetry can be tightened. better?

>>4163469
>don't shade with the same hue
yea that's like the first thing every resource sais. Your right though you just got to feel it out from lots of practice and maybe still lifes.

Also with Marco Bucci the best piece of advice so far is pic related. This made me understand how grays/neutrals work alot better.

>>4161242
Sadpops twitch, how that happens ? wtf MonkaS

>>4163767
I'm glad it helped anon. I haven't watched much of Marco Bucci but he was recommended once.

What helped me, but I'm not sure how much it applies to anime: I collected works from artists where I found colors to be incredible, and started analysing them. Many of those are based purely on color theory, eg. split complementary color palettes. If you notice those patterns of color choice, you can start applying them to your art. You've probably heard it often before, but it really helps.

crab girl

>>4162688
don't have any social media yet, but thank you!

i need to go further

>>4164009
now make the forehead bigger and nose even smaller! this is actually an interesting study.

>>4163990
cute crab

What am I doing wrong / what should I work on to improve

>>4164417
what resources have you already looked at?

I think your head needs more structure especially on the side of the head.
I used to use pic related years ago but it never stuck with me personally

a couple months ago I found this nice video https://youtu.be/ko3Zaw8zffk which gave me a lot of mileage.

Recently though I've been using a different structure while more complicated seems to be sticking for me.

>>4164435
i've watched all the pin2d stuff, but im using a basic loomis head (with the sides of the sphere flattened off) instead

can u elaborate on structure on side of head

that's pretty much it

>>4164449
The top right one is your better drawing and actually has good structure. The bottom right one is good too but the structure falls apart on the sides of the head. P
pic to emphasize to have the sides feel flatter and have a bigger more defined shape.

>>4164449
also heres a good example of another anime head structure i found here a while ago and shows that side plane pretty well. I say just find a good structure, stick with it, and most importantly try to emulate an artist you like.

>>4164518
>>4164435
Sorry meant to say your top right one is good and the bottom left one.

>>4164520
Thx

Been studying to build a routine and momentum but I really need to get to fundamentals.

>>4164803
what fundies you looking in to?

Let's say I can draw a decent head, and decent eyes, but not the two put together. What should I study/work on, or do I just need to grind it out more?

>>4165013
Unironically pyw. The two work together to make the head complete. Either adjust the eyes to fit the style of the head, or vice versa

>>4165035
I know it's really simple, but I genuinely have issues with this kind of stuff. I probably should've mentioned that consistency is a big issue, too.

>>4164520
>>4164449

I'm the anon who drew that anime fig construction. To reiterate on what I did there:

I took a random anime fig, traced the outlines, then added 3D planes over it (If you have trouble visualising in 3D, just look for pictures of 3D anime head meshes on google) I then redrew the face, free-handed, while looking at my guidelines.

>>4164417

I did a quick redline of your work, and the first thing I noticed was that you draw the jaw and cheeks way too big. It makes the back of the cranium look small in proportion, and the perspective on your feature placement is off. Once you get the proportions right, focus on following your guidelines.

Good luck anon! And sorry for my messy handwriting.

>>4165090
Another anon, it's really helpful. Thank you, man

>>4165090
thanks a lot

>>4165090
gonna try again n post it here tonight

idk how it went

>>4165378
freakin rad

>>4164803
Blog?

>>4164967
Want to focus on characters asap so probably anatomy and just enough perspective for now so I can construct from imagination (or a photo reference).

How do people end up knowing how to draw clothes/fabric on characters? What would that even count as?

>>4165557
cool yea theres a bjillion books on anatomy luckily.
I just use the word drapery when looking for reference. just takes a lot of practice though breaking them down to individual concepts help. The common concepts I always see when searching for drapery reference are Pipe fold, Zig Zag fold, Spiral fold, Half lock, Diaper Fold and Drop fold.

Luckily with anime/manga theres a lot of patterns that get recycled
When i get free time i usually put on a movie in the background and just draw examples on this pinterest board.
https://www.pinterest.com/moisesterrazas/drapery/

pic related is easy to find reference and has some good stuff in it.

>>4165584
Thanks! I've had a shitton of pdfs and videos saved from /ic/ over the years but drapery has always eluded me because it's kinda formless in some way.

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