/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I just started out a week ago

>>4129744
Read the sticky

Trying very hard to learn digital.

I'm liking CSP.

Learning to do lineart and getting rid of my chicken scratch tendencies.

I feel bad

>>4129840
not as bad as you look

I posted this on the last thread. I tried to take a picture with less glare. I really need to fix the lighting in my small studio. This is my entry for a local contest. We can only use 3 colors. Black white and green. I appreciate any suggestions and advice. The idea is to have some nice green reflections in a little stream surrounded by rocks and mountains. Mostly very dark sillohuette but some bright green highlights.

I want to push the planet back more and create more distance,
but I havent figured out how to do it yet.
Thanks for any advice.

this should be a better picture

>>4129855
cringe and bluepilled

>>4129878
make planet smaller and add more mountains to give it more of perspective

where can you find positive influence beginner friends that aren't underage that you can learn and improve with together

>>4129902
tinder

When your art is used for the new thread, does that mean you can leave beg?

>>4129934
It means you can never leave beg

What exactly is chicken scratching?

>>4129938
Something like this

Basically, short and hacky lines instead of drawing long and smooth lines. Usually done by beginners because they don't have the confidence for longer lines.

I didnt wanted to kill thread for this, so ..
Im such a fucking dirty coomer I started getting painful headaches everytime I coom, I cant focus on drawing anything, I even went to doctor and get CT head scan (europe so no extra fees over standard insurance monthly payment) turns out Im perfectly healthy, but its really destroying me life,
how do crawl out?

>>4129955
cut the peepee off

>>4129936
time to give anon the plague.

>>4130047
i mean, plaque.

I added a waterfall. Not sure if I should keep it as it may be too much. Or maybe darken the lower mountains.

>>4129943
My lines are long and smooth, but I often go over them a few times.
Is that bad?

>>4130096
>Is that bad?
what do you think?

Didn't realize there was another thread up and that the other one died, but o well. Started lines and shading on this dude last night.

>>4130099
I don't know, that's why I asked.

If I'm drawing a circle I will ghost a few times and then draw it twice before letting go of my pen

Is this a bad habit?
I see professionals draw over lines all the time while sketching

>>4130120
oh my god you fucking retard

>>4130120
nice symbol drawing

>>4130096
PYW. We'll tell you.

>>4130137
nice meme

>>4130120
La cretura

>>4130120
You might want to overlay the reference on your drawing just to see where you're going wrong and how to fix it.

But don't trace directly. Overlay, look at it and see what to fix, then put the ref to the side again and start fixing.

>>4129821
Clean lineart is only attractive if you have a good sense of shape design and confident lines in the first place.

Otherwise, there's no shame in drawing loose lines while you're still trying to understand the rhythm of the forms you're drawing.

An accurate sketchy drawing is much nicer to look at than a clean, incorrect drawing thats' only focus was clean lines above all else.

>>4130120
I don't understand how someone can fuck up this much

How do I stop getting frustrated with this shit?

>>4130183
What is frustrating about it? Everything? certain aspect?

>>4130135
>>4130145
>>4130181
why are you faggots such assholes?
he's posting in a beginner thread for a reason

are you saying that you've never drawn something bad in your entire life?

>>4130231
he has a reputation of a retard also as you can see he wants to keep that reputation by having his name in the name field and STILL not reading the sticky

I need help with the hands... I don't know how to attach them to the body. Also, if there's a problem with the form please tell me. Thnx

>>4130270
the face and body look really good anon

>>4130231
>>4130238
For the record, I named myself as a means to own up to my shitty attitude/unconscious artistic incompetence (for lack of a better term) when I initially posted the art of my character Zach and got blasted for it. Yeah it's kinda dumb to do that on 4chan but for whatever reason I figured "fuck it." Plus I wanted to have some kind of presence here of sorts but yeah in retrospect having the namefield filed out's kinda dumb.

Also holy FUCK this is bad. I'm without a doubt /beg/ but I'm willing to admit it when I see it. My proportions are WAY the fuck off and I have no idea how I didn't see this before. Worst part is, I actually have gone through the sticky several times and even downloaded all the books from fellowBro's Mediafire link and have been reading up on them. On top of that, I understand the idea of starting out with basic shapes and such as I always start off with said shapes. I definitely see the errors I'm making here and know what I'm doing wrong and what I should be doing, but at the same time I can't help but feel like I'm noticing this way too late in the drawing process. And then there was the head, which I have no idea why this one in particular tripped me up so much seeing that I can be somewhat ok with heads. To be fair though certain parts of the ref were kinda hard for me to see cus of the shading around them.

Maybe I'm jumping ahead too much in some places and getting ahead of myself? Maybe I'm not focusing enough? I don't know, but I'm certainly willing to try. Besides, at least I'm able to acknowledge when I'm being an absolute retard lol

>>4130270
Just look at IRL references of hands, there's plenty of books on that too.

>>4130277
I don't think I have that much problems with drawing hands individually (somewhat arrogant, i know). It's when I attach it to the full body when the problem begins..

>>4130277
he's asking how to attach them, not how to draw them.

>>4130283
Well thats what I meant, there are references where you can look at a full arm

>>4130275
Friend are you aiming to do a caricature?

>>4130270
try studying the skeleton of a wrist and figuring out how the joint attaches to the hand.

>>4130285
i thought looking at references was just to deconstruct forms. how does looking at a picture of an arm teach me how the inner mechanisms of it work?

>>4130288
I originally meant to just draw the ref image as a study and hone in on my skills overall. Clearly, I am not there in the slightest. That and I primarily want to do animation/cartoony and/or stylized stuff as an artist but I figured doing studies would help as it does with everyone else. I'm probably just going to scratch this drawing, read up on the sticky and books I got and do an entirely different picture to study. After all, last thing I wanna be is some lolcow that can't draw.

>>4130275
>Maybe I'm jumping ahead too much in some places and getting ahead of myself?
This.
Stop shading, stop inking. Stop everything. Don't even bother adding eyes or any features at all. Just go back to exercising perspective and forms. Everything else is completely irrelevant right now

>>4130296
huh, I guess I never practiced with skeletons... Alright, I'll draw em

>>4130275
>>4130297
do you talk this much irl

>>4130315
It depends lol, I just wanted to be thorough.

>>4130308
Yeah that sounds like the best course of action for me to take, considering even when I rough out my art I feel like I'm going too fast somehow.

yeet yeet, give me a critique

>>4129786
you just tracing bro

>>4130358
You're lineart needs a lot of improvement lacks pen pressure and smoothness
you're shading is almost nonexistant in some parts.
One boob is wayy larger than the other.
Hair lacks flow
While the eye is simple style shaded it could do with more dimension.
Practice drawing torso because that one doesn't look right.

How do I draw correct looking hands consistently? Something like picrel would be nice even though I like more realistic styles. Should I study references as much as possible or drawabox til I die? Are there any recommended books or guides on the subject?

>>4130380
Understand gesture, form, construction, accurate representation of reality, and how masters stylize hands.

Scrutinize my piece, craftsmen of yore. I got a bit too artsy.

Here is more studies, revisiting some of the stuff I did before from the cartoon animation book.

>>4130610

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>>4130120
this actually some nice art.

>>4130120
unironically soul

>>4130628
>>4130666
>realize proportions are way off
>starting to go back to studying form and perspective
>told its good out of nowhere
Not to shit on myself or you two anons but what lol

>>4130358
garbage

this is what i don't understand from this kind of people who draw this bad, look at that hand,arms,head it's trash, you don't have to be pro or even an artist to see that is bad and this is what it pisses me off the most; you have your own hands ffs couldn't you used them as a ref and see how awfully bad is compared to yours? same goes for the arms

why begs do this is beyond me

>>4130765
soul = poopy
Your proportions are really off. You're symbol drawing. You were given proper redlines in the last thread and it seems like you ignored them.
Stop shading and drawing in features and draw crash test dummies before you move on.

>>4130803
For the record, I did try to follow the redline, but the left side of the ref's face and body (our right), which is what half of the redline covered, was really hard for me to see in the pic itself, through no fault of the anon who redlined it of course. And yeah at this point, I too think it's shit and will hold off on working on it for a while and go back to fundies.

That being said, out of curiosity where am I symbol drawing? I'm assuming you're reffering to the face which I could kind of see, especially the nose and mouth, the former was tripping me the fuck up for whatever reason, and the latter being also really hard for me to see in the ref. Also at the risk of sounding like a newfag I had no idea saying that something has soul on /ic/ was a bad thing lol

>>4130358
fixed while conserving as much soul as i could

>>4130765
it's bad in a good way, like it has a funny, weird, & rare aesthetic to it.

>>4130864
That's a good way of putting it, actually. Especially since most of it came out of bad proportions and not being able to see most of the face in the pic lol.

I need to learn how to shade and draw humans similarly to these basic shapes

Practiced some shapes

>>4130917
*and also some line exercises from Drawabox

How am I doing so far?

>>4130886
you probably need to paint from photo human face alot and trial&error for a bit since the first few are gonna be shit
try the ctrl paint method of painting

>>4130943
The red limbs are what you drew which seem off. Try to envision the weight he has on the ground.

His right foot is pointed towards the viewer and seemingly in front, yet the heel is behind the left foot.

Before you scream
>"AHHHH FURSHIT"
I drew this for a friend. I enjoy drawing werewolves sometimes, but I draw mostly fantasy, and post apoc stuff. I just really want an honest critique, and if its any good or not.

>>4130994
>inb4 gay furry porn

>>4130994
Eh you're on your way. The proportions are there, but the form is warped and distorted. Work on solidifying your structure.

>>4130998
Not really into drawing porn. Try to keep all my stuff PG.

3 pages of worthless random sketches in the trash
no games played
no fundamentals studied
no anime watched
no 4channels browsed
I haven't wasted time like this in a very long time
But I was on a role saturday
time for fap and bed

>>4131000
>Trips dont lie
And by solidifying, you mean more rigid, correct?
As if a certain joint or structure is bending un-naturally, right?
Sorry if I am misunderstanding, English is not my main language.

>>4130610
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>>4130620
Most important thing I can tell you is to clean up your lines. One crisp line for each contour. If you can't make it look good cleaned up, you've got more to work on.

For things I can point out right now, I'd say that the feet aren't planted convincingly on the ground in perspective. The forms are sloppy and warped. (like you seem to have no control over your forms) And your forms don't wedge and connect convincingly. They're like playdough, haphazardly slapped together and each joint seems to have been built in a different way.

Keep practicing. I think your time is better spent focused on Figure Drawing. It's hard to diagnose your own mistakes when drawing bubbly dogs like this.

>>4131002
it's not a waste of time if you learned from it. Even if the only thing you learned was how not to practice.

>>4131002
You should just copied and studied better artist instead of just doodling shit

>>4130993
And they say this board is unhelpful.
Thanks for the feedback Man!

>>4131002
Try changing your posture.
Take a break, and have a smoke, or a beer, etc.
When I am having trouble, I sit as close to my desk as possible to straighten my posture, and it works wonders every time. Like uncomfortably close.
Make sure your body is function well.
Go for a walk, or a workout.
Drink some water, eat something.
You can only produce quality work if you take quality care of your body.

>>4131009
No, I mean your forms are being flattened out. There's no convincing depth. It's hard for you to see for yourself, but the best thing you can do is to just keep practicing and keep drawing basic forms. You'll understand with time.

ribcage study

>>4131025
Ahhh, I understand much better now, thank you very much!

>>4131027
Hi cousin!

>>4131027
I'm sorry to say this, but the shape is still completely wrong. Next time don't labor over one rib-cage like this for so long, and just do a bunch of rib-cages. Bang them out quickly and get the general shape right as fast as you can freehand. Of course, do it from reference.

>>4131034
This person is GMI

>>4131030
That skull looks like its going hyperspeed.

>>4131030
hi me
>>4131034
i did it from bunch of refs and freehand, not sure if i can do it faster, i can't just copy the shape, my observational skills are garbage

>>4130994
Your anatomy could use some work, also your perspective. If you draw his beak in the position you have it in now then the eye on the left the one farthest from us) would be higher up and taller. You gotta visualize the form of the beak so it doesn't look like paper mario.

>>4131056
>gay squack.jpg
Fucking kek
Thank you for the actual critique, I will take this wholeheartedly, and us it to improve!
I think it will help a lot to do more construction before the final sketch.

>>4130364
Nah bro. I used a ref, sure, but never traced. I guess, thank you?

I am trying to learn how to draw werewolves. How am I doing so far? This is just a construction sketch.

>>4131125
Beg furartists, without fail, have problems with the alignment of the muzzle (?). That's fine, we're all learning, but it's something to keep in mind. Always draw it as a box first attached to the plane of the face, then fill in the form.

In yours, the nose and mouth are aligned almost in full profile, but the head is not. See pic related. I know I picked "fox" for were"wolf". Sue me.

I did an abs cylinder. The last of my cylinder material study.

Anyone have any pointers on this? Please excuse the scratchy outline, I didn't do a clean outline first. I could also use advice on drawing hair in general if anyone has experience, shit makes zero sense to my lizard brain

>>4131211
Rendering is too muddy imo and lack of hard edges and the fact the light isn’t contrasting enough with the shadows

>>4131189
good stuff Anon!

Switching to Digital has me learning all over again, also showing me where I lack experience from prior works (Hands, Feet, Eyes currently)

Slowly building this one up

>>4131234
Hmm, agreed, first time really doing dark skin so I've been having trouble with it. I'll try touch it up a little, thanks!

I don't know what to say.

>>4131239
Thanks, now I finally can start on anime.

I was curious to see if I can draw masks.
Any critic is appreciated, especially on the bottom one.

>>4131234
Tried to adjust things, also defined some areas a bit more, any better?

>>4131358
Definitely much better now you just need define the edgies more, for hair you can just search up on tutorials on YouTube, preferably by ahmid aldoori. And clean your edges.

>>4129711
why didn't you link in the old thread?

>>4131398
Bury the past

>>4131448
Do it next time

What are some good books/artist to read/study for proportions, perspective and form?

>>4131588
Loomis, drawabox, p much read the sticky fag

Major bob vs cinccino

someone please explain what the fuck is the point of a major axis in forms
what does this do? what does it accomplish? how do i even know where i'm suppose to place it

Hand studies from yesterday
How long does it take to completely internalize the shape and forms of a body part until you can draw it from imagination?

>>4131261

Looks cool, post more. I always feel envy for those who can into comics. I tried once but it's too hard for me to plan everything and also I'm too retarded at making scenarios.

>>4131916
Current attempts from imagination
Fuck it's hard, especially trying to draw how the fingers bend and create shapes, I mostly have the thumb down though

I've been practicing some loomis figure drawing. Any tips for improvement. I know that I should draw larger, so next time I will buy an A4 Sketchbook.

what are the best resources to learn form and construction

>>4131986
fuck you

>>4132000
: (

>>4131986
Perspective Made Easy, Successful Drawing by Loomis.

>>4131920
This looks dope, more detailing and depth and it'll suprise most people you'll show it to

I tried drawing a serious portrait but I fucked up his face too much so I turned him into an alien (not a furry)

>>4132025
>son of dob

I don't know if I should feel weird about drawing young naked girls

There's so many cool drawings on here!

>>4132067
Seek help

>>4132069
pretend i attached the picture of those psychologists' interviews about people's views on incest.

Another full-body sketch. I think I may need to continue grinding more hand gestures and, if I do another one of these, better posing and positioning.

Is fun with a pencil worth it if I don't care about caricatures? Is there some other book that teaches similar stuff but skips the unrealistic caricature bullshit?

>>4132102
Figure Drawing for All It's Worth

>>4130120
guys which doyou prefer :)

>>4130120
guys which doyou prefer? :)

(how do i stop images from being upload sideways even though it's portrait everywhere except this stupid site?)

>>4132133
Leagues better than my original drawing lol

>>4132176
I liked your drawing and i wanted to create something equally weird.

I finally completed a finished piece. I drew a random anime girl for someone on Discord. This took me multiple hours of doing the line art and coloring/shading it. The full image is a much higher resolution, but I resized it to post it here.

The left is the finished piece, the right is obviously before I did the line art and colored it. I know it's "anime", and I don't really plan to just draw anime girls from now on, but it is what it is. I take critique seriously and even screencap some of it to help me improve. There's not really anything specific critique wise I'm looking for, but I'd love to hear what you guys think.

>>4130445
Pls it can't be that bad

>>4132184
literally symbol drawing

>>4132184
Why did it take multiple hours to finish?

I know this is a beg thread so I shouldn't be too hard on the negroes posting here but please for the love of god if you don't know what you're talking about just don't give advice.
While yes, going over your lines multiple times or chicken scratching is definitely bad if it's a habit, it's totally fine to do it when sketching and most if not all professional artists go over their lines many times to find the right one, nothing bad about it and no one will ever see it because it won't be in the end product.

>>4130445
I think the main problem is the linework. Things in the forground should probably have thicker lines than things in the background.

>>4132184
DA-tier garbage

>>4132184
Looks a bit flat because of the inconsistent shading, other than that keep going and you might just make it.

>>4132199
Getting the clean lineart down in a way that I wanted it took a long time. Plus, I did a lot of revisions to the hands during the lineart stage. The sketch looked a lot better because the lines were bigger/there was more of them, so they could hide some of the mistakes.
>>4132212
Yeah, unfortunately, a lot of the shading was guess work for me. Originally, the shadows were a lot less dark until a friend of mine told me to not "puss out" and just make them dark. It looks a lot better than what I had before, but especially around the shoulder area for me, it looks very flat.
The only other thing I regret a bit about the drawing is that I got really lazy with the colors and just started picking them from the reference.

>>4132184
left: SOULLESS
right: SOUL

>>4129711
MY FIRST STILL LIFE :)
Just started drawing, am 21
Motivation is hard but I've bought some books that should come tomorrow.

I've been into art for a while, but I'm shit when it comes to fundamentals.

>>4130079
I like the waterfall, give the painting some contrast.
Good for the eye to follow also

>>4132233
Stop using small brushes and learn how to render properly

>>4132232
What books did you order?

>>4132245
(Betty edwards) Drawing on the right side of the brain
Drawing the head and hands (loomis)
Perspective made easy (Ernest norling)
Figure drawing:Design and invention
(Michael hampton)

>>4132184
You may want to re-think how you're coloring if this took hours to color for something this simple.

>>4132250
He probably lacks mileage and not enough experience to properly do it at a faster pace.

>>4132241
Best rendering tutorials/resources?

>>4132184
I think its cute

>>4132250
It wasn't the coloring that really took the most amount of time. I basically just used the magic wand to select areas for coloring, expanded the area by 2 pixels, then slapped the paint bucket into it.

>>4132258
>>4132250
This. I don't know how do people do it quickly, it takes a lot of time to use the lasso tool (or magic wand) on every little part

>>4132258

Makes sense, I can see how the lineart would take some time

>>4132023
You draw better than me but personally The index finger looks like it should be pointing more at me and not drooping down as much
Other than that really cool

>>4131920
COOL! Apart from the grammar mistake fml.
You spent all that time on the drawing but forgot to add a t on the end of thought lmao

>>4131046
If you admit they are garbage then work on them :)

>>4132253
ctrl paint
do his free vids first then his premium one

>>4132283
the section 8 and 9 in the free section

>>4132023
>>4132268

Thanks! Yeah, there's a mistake there, totally missed it.
Also, the scenery wasn't mine, it was of my friend. I can go full autism in terms of drawing but when it comes to texts and planning I'm totally zero.

>>4132184
I'd say work more detail into the nose and especially the lips.

It could also use some shading to make the shape more three dimensional (Yeah I know its 2D but still) and possibly better color selection but I think you can make it.

update red white and green. my first contest entry.

black white and green.

>>4132319

You need to add more mountains on a horizon, right now the perspective a bit fucked and it feels like the planet is hanging right over the wood (stones?).

Otherwise, really good work, especially colors.

body studied from a photo in Bridgman's Drawing the Female Form, face from imagination because I didn't like the head on my ref

>>4132083
keep at it

>>4131618
perspective is off, your faces are melty and overly-foreshortened, there's no clavicle, and the musculature feels weak. Great effort, study more

>>4131266
resize next time. doesn't convey the feeling of the mask going backwards in space. also your body is slanted, your arms are small, and your chest is way too big. no curves

>>4130917
keep it up anon

>>4132325
haha. yeah. I'm trying to have a glowing effect. It's supposed to be sky behind the mountains. I'm thinking im gonna try to darken the whole sky. i don't know. It's kind of driving me crazy. Maybe I can make a big mountain behind it all. Thank you for the input and the copmliment.

>>4132340
Is it me or is her torso too short and/or her legs too short and skinny? Still looks neat tho

>>4132352
Her torso is fine. I'd say that the legs are too thin compared to her torso. With a build like that it's hard to believe her thigh muscles would be atrophied, unless the model used was older, but then again the boobs would've sagged a bit more and not looked so youthful. He did say they head was changed. Lengths of arms and legs look fine.

>>4130886
those are pretty sexy shapes

>>4132348

Honestly, I have problems with perspective too. Here's one of my totally ruined works that I will redraw one day when I finally learn color theory and perspective stuff.

>>4130358
Cute

>>4132379
nice

Best way to grind out the figure? I've been stuck with hampton/vilppu for months on this level of quality

>>4132409
Try huston

>>4132409
Reality check: It takes a LONG time to become even decent at figure drawing. Years, especially from beg level. Its one of the most difficult and complex subjects you can tackle in art.

You're getting the right info though so ask yourself if you studying efficiently?

>how much practicing are you doing vs learning theory
>are you making your own notes on the source material
>are you drawing along with the videos or just watching them
>are you trying to recall what you learned from memory
>are you applying what you learned immediately into your own original drawings

etc. etc. The most important thing to remember is just to focus on one subject for an extended period of time and study it over and over, and you'll learn it little by little as long as you're consistent.

>>4132409
do dozens of quick gesture everyday
try 2-3 session of croquis cafe everyday
or alot more if you want to grind figure only

What is symbol drawing? Google didn't help.

>>4132485
https://hubpages.com/art/how-to-draw-learn

>>4132485
Just search up sonichu, good reference material

>>4132405
thanks

I heard there are a book about faces and facial expressiobs by loomis
Can you tell me the name,can't find it

How i make this more animu like, i feel like something is always off when i make faces in the frontword position. I usually feel its the mouth.

>>4132485
>What is symbol drawing?
A shitty meme that /beg/ threaders use to sound smarter than they are.

>>4132542
t. symbol drawer

>>4132485
symbol drawing is drawing what you know, not what you see.
we know a human has an eye and a mouth, so a beginner will draw two circles for eyes and a line for a mouth. when in reality, an eye is extremely complicated and is nowhere near a circle.
basically, your mind is drawing what you think is there, rather then what's ACTUALLY there
it's why drawing anime is discouraged for beginners because it teaches you to rely on stylization over accurate representation of your drawing

>>4131135
not the anon you replied to, but thanks.

Thoughts?

>>4132385
It is not that bad Anon just need more polish.
You have chosen an amazingly complex and hard topic and I can see you have spent a spent a very long time on the small details. I commend you for your patience and persistence on working out so many details.

Here I tried to help by shifting the light around a bit and blurring the moon/planet at the background. I added more thicker fog and random water wave to enhance the water and provide more contrast as I think it can help to frame the foreground.

On the character I added ambient occlusion with just soft brushes, I think your picture in general could benefit greatly from softer edges, I get that you are going for cell shading but such greatly detailed works would make using cell shading a nightmare if you want to draw more than one level of shading. Do not be afraid of mixing soft and hard edges that is how it will appear more realistic.

I also added a rim light from behind on the character to give her more of a shape and added a lot of stronger light spots on the hair and the monster parts, doing that makes the subject look wet and considering the setting of the piece I think being wet is is how it should be.

Did this help?

>>4132266
thanks, I just referenced the whole body and clothing (NO TRACIN THO)

>>4131261
>>4131920
Thank you for the encouragement. That looks amazing, my dude.

Finally finished my first ever full page. I cannot explain how happy this makes me feel, even though the art may be garbage.

>>4132625

Man...wow! You did a really HUGE job! Honestly, this opened my eyes on many things that I haven't noticed or haven't even thought until now. It looks really goddamit cool now and make me want to remake it as soon as possible (though I have to start from the very beginning since my layers on this one are one big hell of a mess). Seriously, one this post taught me even more things that I learned during all this year. I appreciate you a lot for this, big thanks, Anon.

>>4132787

This looks really badass, my dude, both in terms of art and stylization. Honestly, I don't have a single bad thing to say about it besides of the moon on the lowest frame: I think it's better not to limit it's glow by the frame. Like, just to put it one level above the background and under the other panels, without any black borders.

I hope you won't stop on this and keep making it, Anon, you promise?

How'd I do?

>>4129711
Please crit and help me with my Ion. I'm awful at drawing faces and people in general.

The only excuse I have that the left part and hair were drawn with H pencils and these parts have less contrast in comparison to the rest in real life. I'm sorry

>>4132385
Ok. So I played around with the dark and the horizon. Its not looking the way I want it to green is such a bitch for me to work with. I wish the contest was black white and blue. Haha. Anyway. I darkened up the sky. I brightened the horizon. I’m not sure how to get the glow I’m looking for. This will dry by tonight as I used really thin paint and liquid. I’ll be back in there to finish tonight. I appreciate all the help.

Wtf. Why is it sideways.

>>4132853
Looking good man good job, it reminds me of the undead area in WoW. Take a screenshot of your image and post that instead.

>>4132848
Study the lower abdomen more, I know it's a bitch butbyou'll figure it out. Look how high the ribcage is from the pelvis, it also creates a lack of gesture making it that high, also where's her other arm, this pose seems most comfortable if sje placed her other arm more out amd back like the foreground arm is, I also recommend having her perched on something instead of just floating

>>4132787
This looks really cool Anon

>>4132811
>Man...wow! You did a really HUGE job! Honestly, this opened my eyes on many things that I haven't noticed or haven't even thought until now. It looks really goddamit cool now and make me want to remake it as soon as possible (though I have to start from the very beginning since my layers on this one are one big hell of a mess). Seriously, one this post taught me even more things that I learned during all this year. I appreciate you a lot for this, big thanks, Anon.

Nah, the basis was already really good to work with you have worked a lot at it and it shows. I really just lazily slapped some airbrushy rendering on it using Add glow and Multiply layers to change the lighting a bit, then added some highlights and the water reflections. If the basis wouldn't be good with the cell shaded hard edges look then it wouldn't be look half as good as it is.

>>4132875
>>4132811
Thank you. Appreciate the kind words, frens.

> I hope you won't stop on this and keep making it, Anon, you promise?
Well, this is a 2-page test of the style and to see if I'm actually able to pull off something at all. After that I'll go for something a bit longer. Taking baby steps.

But I can promise I won't stop trying. And neither should you. I like your Cthulhu tentacle girlfriend. We can all make it on this blessed day.

>>4132848
It's pretty nice as far as style and line quality are concerned.
Head needs to be pushed further to the right, rn it looks like it barely attaches to the neck.
Boobs are sad and deflated, definitely need proper volume.
Your lines are nice but you seem to focus on them at the expense of your forms/ structure, particularly in the upper leg and hip/torso area.
Nice lines are good but they won't carry your drawing if parts of your figure look like a squeezed tube of toothpaste.

Here's a 10 second sketch to test a deevad krita brush I really liked.
My artist friend (female) says it's too blurry. What do you guys think?

>>4132968
I would say she has a point, the lineart is not unirorm enough everywhere (or at least having a measure between focused and un-focused areas) which is a bit distracting.

>>4132974
So is it an issue with the brush/pressure settings, or just me being unskilled?
It's probably impossible to tell just from this, but whatever.

>>4132862

Crop the picture a bit. Phone always fuck up the photos.

Hello I am very new to digital drawing.
Pls critique my art
>Inb4 where is the nose?
I can't draw noses

>>4133057
narudo :--DDD

inking...

>>4133078
before

>>4133057
the lines look a little wobbly and don’t appear confident, friend. most softwares have a stabilizer tool to help fix this. your character also seems to be missing eyebrows/ears in addition to the nose, as you’ve previously mentioned. don’t avoid drawing difficult features, you’ll never learn that way.
unironically read fun with a pencil and think about how your character looks in 3D space. the sticky has a large collection of resources if you’re looking to become better at art.

>>4133117
Thanks, as for why the lines look a little wonky, I drew that image using my phone. I will look at those resources you mentioned.

>>4133078
Why is his chest plate concave?

>finally make small but discernible progress

we're all going to make it bros

>>4129711
Just started yesterday when I suddenly decided I wanted to learn to draw and I'm glad there are so many resources available. I started with drawing that Igor sketch upside down like in the doc, but I can't even do that. I even tried the four box trick, and even then I was so fucking bad at proportions and drawing straight lines I fucked that up too. How the fuck am I supposed to draw cute anime girls when I can't beat figure drawing?
Pic is my shitty attempt

>>4133189
Well, for one, you didn't resize the image AT ALL and two, I can't really make out what this is? I think you didn't rotate it properly either.
It will take a while even for you to get to the point of making decent looking lines, but it really is the key. I highly recommend Drawabox
https://drawabox.com/lesson/0
but more specifically, this lesson of it:
https://drawabox.com/lesson/1/2
Now, obviously, don't just spend all of your time grinding out lines and boxes. The thing I recommend isn't to draw only to improve aimlessly. Pick a goal, which for you is to draw anime girls, and then focus on that. Drawing what you enjoy will drive you to improve a lot more than just drawing stupid shit like boxes you don't care about.

Pic related, it's a bit outdated, but after I discovered drawabox my line quality and drawing mindset instantly improved. I don't want to appear like I'm "subtle bragging" or anything, but I started 313 days ago and went from the left set of images to making this >>4132184 and while I honestly REALLY don't want to be relegated to drawing anime girls it's proof that it doesn't take much to improve. I only draw about an hour a day too, so I could(and should) be drawing a LOT more and I'd improve even faster.

Basically, you can do it. I hope you aren't discouraged so quickly. If you start RIGHT NOW and practice every single day, 10 years from now, you'll have 10 years of experience. If you give up, 10 years from now you're regret giving up and never know what was.

>>4133189
I'm not trying to be a dick here but I really can't tell what it is.

>>4133165
update

>>4133189
Oh and also, don't use lined paper. Like you don't have to use motherfucker $70+ elephant canvas folded over 10,000 times mother fucker sketch paper-- you can even just use fucking printer paper, but you really shouldn't use lined paper.
Draw with the arm, not with the hand etc etc

should books that assume you’re drawing with pencil/pen/ink - and provide techniques as such - not be used for digital practice? because that’s just about all of them.

>>4133279
Use them for digital practice. I don't see what the major difference would be. Drawing is drawing.

Finally doing Preston

>>4129855
el texto es bastante cringe...

>>4133350
Not bad, try working on drawing from your elbow and shoulder more though. You seem to be chicken scratching a bit but it could be worse.

Could someone invite me again to the discord group? I deleted my old account and now have to deal with the consequences

>>4133421
I highly don't recommend it. It's a horrible discord server, not a good place to facilitate learning. You are honestly better off on your own than hearing those idiots Rave about politics for hours, save yourself the cringe of hearing about how cool they think they are because of how many "girls" they have in their server.

Currently doing drawabox's exercises and holy FUCK are ellipses hard to draw. I've done ok so far with the planes but with ellipses I keep going over the table I drew out for them. They keep coming out like a child tried drawing circles for some reason even if I ghost it and draw with my shoulder.

I doodled pic related in like 30 minutes because I had no work to do. I know the anatomy (what I’m trying to focus on) is shit, but is it “read the sticky” levels of shit?

>>4133539 here
>inb4 “OMG HES IN SCHOOL, UNDERAGE B&&&&”
I’m 18

>>4133539
read the sticky and memorize it

When people ink in real life (non-digitally), what do they do if they did a mistake? They can't erase it right?

>>4133551
white out

>>4133541
>I'm 18
Oh don't worry, we could tell.

>>4133514
Getting better at those ellipses. Also took a short break to try my hand at what I've learned so far with a weird face at the bottom from imagination.

On a side note, while drawabox is very helpful so far, I find it kind of weird that later lessons are about drawing insects, animals and cars but nothing about human anatomy.

>>4133606
the dude try to teach human once
but end up hilarious and he has to delete that part
also don't cramp those ellipses then drop
do it a bit everyday

>>4133606
if you want to practice circles do still life.
I hate this stupid trend. i hate modern education, where everything is split up 'scientifically' for no god damn reason. first you learn this and then go onto the next 'logical' step.
no passion in anything anymore.

fuck your parents, dude. fuck your teachers. man.

>>4133611
Oh nah I'm not dropping them. I'm just taking a short break from this page in particular cus it was surprisingly a lot harder to do than the planes (or probably not surprisingly considering planes are literally just straight lines and 10 times easier in comparison lol). Definitely gonna go back to this tomorrow, it's actually pretty fun.

>>4133215
what progam did you use?

>>4129711
This took me over an hour
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

update on my contest entry which I was happy to find out that i have to bring it to the gallery on Oct 6 not this sunday. I've never done any glazing before but now I can at least try. Also...the water is too blue. It has to be more green or it will not be accepted as an entry. Thanks for the help and critique.

>>4133638
This is some nice development I really like it! The sky is really pretty

>>4133641
Thanks anon. The anons here helped. I'm grateful.

How do you draw an elliptic cylinder in perspective? I feel like I could just make a cube and base the individual ellipses off that but it feels like that's a rather bulky method.

Ignore how how shit it is, I’m at draw a box level. Do I even remotely have the right idea here?

I cant even judge my drawings anymore

>>4133677
Do yourself a favour and extend your canvas at the bottom and finish sketching out those legs with the same proportions as what's in the current pic.

any tips?

>>4133691
Very nice foreshortening, that's super hard to do. The pose is stiff as a board though, I'm sure because you were focused on the perspective. All I can say is take what you learned and try something new with more flow.

>>4133680
Why didn't you draw the entire ring around her wrist? You stopped part way through for no reason. It's a 3D model, so, the entire ring around her is rendered and if you had access to the 3D model, you could see it from any angle, so, it seems kind of dumb that you just stopped. In fact, just draw the entire ring as an ellipse around her wrist.
Part of the idea of constructing is that you aren't just drawing what you see, you are imagining and drawing the entire thing, yet, in your drawing, you are leaving out parts that you can't see.

>>4133691
can you go over your drawing steps, please

I'm gonna try to reedit this and fix this old drawing, the eyes are kinda crappy.

I'll definitely draw something tomorrow if I'm not exhausted
I'll even line it and color it I swear

>>4133680
>Do I even remotely have the right idea here?
No. You're drawing too many disconnected shapes, and the shapes themselves are poorly drawn.

Draw large simple shapes, then divide them. Don't be too married to your reference.

>>4133750
You're still chicken scratching and not using construction. Also, draw in a higher resolution or wait until you have more to post before you post something here.

>>4133710
Yeah the stiffness is part focusing on perspective and part not being very versatile with poses in general. I'll try doing more flow. Thanks homie!

>>4133746
Sure. It's pretty typical I think. I usually just start with drawing curves or shapes to get a sense of a pose. Then I draw curvy boxes for the chest, pelvis, and head, while aligning things in perspective (lines sorta going towards a vp). Then curves for the limbs, which I then make boxy. I draw form lines over them too sometimes. From there, it's anatomy detail, clothing if there is any, and then shading.

Trying to apply Hampton's gesture lessons from the book. Critique me anons

Is there a website for homework/assignments related to drawing?

It always motivates me enormously when there's a deadline or certain amount of work I need to get done before anything else.

>>4133638

It's really good work Anon. The only your mistake here is to mix the blur of the mountains with the blur of the sky. I'd say you didn't need to blur the mountain on the backgroun, (maybe just a bit), you'd better play with their shades for better perspective. Otherwise, great job.

>>4133750

I don't see any issues here, the face looks pretty proportional and the eyes are ok. Also, in my opinion, the chickenscratching here adds more sense of fluffiness and it makes face more comfy so it's a good thing.

Post more.

How to break free from Loomis heads?

I've got the general shape down and proportions but I would really like to draw more stuff in similar styles to pic.

>>4133985

Loomis is a guide to drawing any head. Trace the Loomis guidelines over those heads and adjust the position of the nose and mouth.

>>4132249
>Drawing on the right side of the brain

>>4133691
Good shit Anon! My only noteworthy comment is that the blade seems to be a bit out of perspective compared to the body. Great foreshortening tough.

>just above average drawer
>studied most anatomy books, good handle on flow, form, muscles and shapes
>understand perspective, vps
>feels like i'm spinning my tires, not getting any better
>work lacks "polish"
what do I do? I feel paralyzed

>>4133680
If you are going only for the construction and form of things then yes you got the right basic concept.

>>4134017
Calm down Anon, post your work and explain your problem further so far we can't even tell what you lack.

>>4134041
im unable to post my work (no scanner, phone has no service where I live) but I just feel like my drawing has stayed the same with no improvement. how do you guys get out of a rut?

>>4134070
Well first I would suggest that you take a little break and find some other activity that can take your mind off this desperate need for improvement. Then draw a bit with no strings attached, stuff that is not aimed for improvement. Like Inktober is coming up next week that is maybe a good idea.

>>4134072
thanks. I used to draw a lot and got pretty good. then I got a job and other shit that was a huge timesuck and now 5 years after I am back drawing (really enjoy it) and super rusty. 4 months later and I feel like im back to where I was. but I feel like everyone around me is so much better. I have a lot of problems with "props" and adding clothing/armor to my figures. any help on getting better at that would be appreciated.

>>4133990
by jove is it really that simple? 10/10 gonna try

I-is this one of the steps to developing style

Pre wageslave doodle

>>4134099
Is this >>4134127 you?

>>4134135
no

>>4133937
Yes. I still have to finish it. The water is too blue. I checked with the contest people and it has to be more green.

I have to also fix the area right around the planet. It looks like a big black circle. I’d also like to get the aurora at the horizon to look like it’s in front of the planet.

Regarding the furthest back mountains, do I’ve been thinking of making the edge really dark and more of a hard edge. What do you guys think.

Thanks for the input.

>>4132340
The proportions are sound. I like the rendering too. Nicely done anon!

>>4134163

I'm least than a noob at oils so I suggest you to look for references. I dunno why but your pic reminds me of Mandy's ending a bit, so maybe this gif is gonna help you somehow.

I feel bad because I will always be shit.

I want to kill myself because I'm such a fucking idiot loser. I feel this every time I try to draw. Fuck everything.

>>4134195
Don't. I'm 25, just started drawing and I've made improvement through persistence. You can do it too. What are you trying to learn or just general overall drawing skills improvement?

>>4134195
It's okay Anon, feelings are just feelings it will be fine. I would ask that you please us the Vent thread when you need emotional release okay?
>>4124795

>>4134185
Wow. That’s sick. Is that oil?

Did I ruin it Annons?

>>4134207
Why do you think so?

>>4134209
I don't think I ruined it, it's just not looking the way I have it envisioned in my head. I found out I have an additional week to finish it now. The contest entries are due on Oct 6. I'm getting great feedback here.

>>4134200
Glad to hear another 25 yo getting into too. Im picking it back up after 7ish years (before was just mindless doodling and hs art classes), hoping to make some gains soon, get the fundies down and start grinding

>>4134222
Alight well I I think the river could use more contrast even if the light is dim, water can shine more. About the planet in teh background that coudl also sue more contrast and maybe a little glow at the light side?

Pic posted to as an example from Star wars. What do you think?

>>4134232
That's the best way to go about it man. DESU I would take nothing from this website other than resources and the occasional inspo. Most of the people on here are real ngmi who give terrible negative insight because they try to pull you down with them. If you can self criticize well enough you don't need too much guidance. You got this though, just enjoy drawing while you're doing it.

>>4134239
Yes, currently going thru Keys to Drawing as Ive symbol drawn the entire time. The sticky really is the only thing I can take from here, all I see is memes and crabs. Ive read that ic used to actually be a good board but idk how long ago that was

>>4134235
Yes That;s what I want.
The water has to be greener and I have to put the dark areas in. I'm planning on having a really bright spot on the middle area and a few highlights on the falls.

>>4134207
Is this a sundown scene? Like even if it is green colored.

>>4134205

Nah, it's just a final scene of Mandy.

>Colour something
>Once I'm done I realize it's all on the wrong layer and I have to delete it and start over

>>4134267
The attempt is to make it look like a green atmosphere at night with an aurora. I saw a picture a while back and when i saw this contest, i decided to enter. the reference is in my head.

>>4133985
Blog?

well? and no chicken stratch meme?

>>4134283
Mina Sundberg
Keith Thompson
Alphonse Mucha

>>4134278
>Realize I could've been shading easily using a mask instead of erasing all of the off-border shadows manually

>>4134195
work hard and feel the pain, it's worth it. I've had those same exact feelings for years. Know what you want in life, if there's nothing better you could do with your time then go all out in it, do everything you need to & in a couple of months you'll be so glad you did, this is your rocky movie. If I could suggest something important just start by making a drawing a habbit, no pressure, doodle everyday after work while watching a movie/tv, like 1 drawing a day, then after a few months or a year get into fundies you'll be less willing to quit.

>>4134207

I think you should better remake that blur into the water, as if there is a lake there. It doesn't really looks like sky and I doubt you could make it looks like sky at this point.

Another possible option (I'm not really sure about it) is to reverse the perspective here. Like, imagine that the creek isn't running to the lower part of the picture, but to the upper, as if you watch it from the top. Although I don't know how the planet will fit there.

And another one: just make some forest or more mountains out of this blur. I think it's the best option, at least the easiest.

>>4134293
>tfw you discover lock opacity

>spend all night making one drawing
>post it
>"Here's a quick 10 min sketch for you guys"

Wich fundamental is best?

>>4134006
Care to elaborate?

made it using loomis with no ref
how bad is it

>>4134384
Not too bad. Hair's a little odd unless the sideburns are meant to be hanging off of it.

>>4134479
hair was half assed since i would need ref to do it correctly

Is this terrible?

trash

>>4134341
Not that Anon but, the "Drawing on the Right side of the brain" book is mostly pseudoscience bullshit that was based on stuff people though to be true in the 1960s and '70s. The two sides of the brain work together constantly and drawing is a complex process that both sides are engaged in. Practically speaking there are a few exercises in the book that are legit good practice, like teaching you to observe what you are drawing and knowing and using negative space, but they are nothing special or different. On the other hand it does not teach you the fundamentals that you will need to actually be able to draw things without copying references.

Learning from Dodson. I feel like I'm getting better the more I draw, so I'm trying to do an object a day.

>>4134322
These people can die

Today is the 3 month mark of my practicing.

Realizing the importance of connecting the feet to the floor

>>4134529
>>4134006

I always thought it was lame because it teaches drawing as a neat part trick.

0 art experience, i just doodle.
How to draw weird things? Or at least how to get ideas for weird things. Idk how to improve

>>4133937

the face looks a bit psychopathic but oh well..

>>4134677
Weird things takes experience, usually it means you are mixing two things that are different but not too different so that the together produces something unsettling. Yet the rest of it looks/acts like everything is normal. For instance look at the Coraline movie where people's eyes are replaces by cloth button, it is different and quite unsettling because they still behave like it is normal.

I would also advise you to look up and look through he "Codex Seraphinianus", it is a famous long and quite detailed surreal art book that supposedly is a study of a surreal world.

What software should I use? New to this but I got a tablet.

>>4134703
Ty for advice, i'll check those out

>>4134677
I was about to say something similar to what >>4134703 said. But yeah, something that seems otherworldy but is, in one way or another, treated like it's normal. One thing that comes to mind is Dr. Seuss, especially in his somewhat lesser-known books like "Did I Ever Tell You How Lucky You Are?" and "Halloween Is Grinch Night," even though the latter is an original tv special. Especially a particular scene near the very end that's just bat fuck insane, even for Seuss: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeFaBvL72a8

>>4134723
One other thing to take note actually, this scene really works in terms of being surreal considering the fact that the main character Euchariah is thrown into this bizarre world that is completely unattached from his own. He's something of an outsider to the world inside the wagon, and all the while the inhabitants of this bizarre world think nothing of what goes on around them, as *they* believe that's what reality is. It's basically Spirited Away but much less fantastical and several decades off.

Hope my YouTube video essay analogy helps you think about how to approach surrealism.

Started today and ill finish it 2moro.
I really struggle with drawing appealing faces so ill see what i can do 2moro. Might ask for a redline or something.
Also, videoing yourself on your phone and taking screenshots of poses is really fucking useful. Only issue is now i have loads of cringy pics of myself on my phone.

>>4134723
>>4134727
Ok that was some real acid trip shit right there
I appreciate the help, at least I have some context to work off of now, ty

>>4133790
Yea I suppose I gotta get back to grinding loomis or hograth.

just like my last one, body refed, head from imagination. I really don't like this model's face :(

>>4134742
looks really cool in thumb anon, clean up your lines

>>4134330
all of them

>>4134017
I concur with the other anon, take a break. A lot of the time people experience this when drawing is the only hobby in their life. read a book, take a walk

>>4134287
legitimately clean up your lines anon. makes it a lot less appealing.
also, construction and perspective. please learn them well, I believe in you

>>4133428
>/beg/ discord server
>Nosebro does nothing but shit talk newer posters then doesn't offer any critic other than "you suck, kill youself"
No thanks. Everyone else was cool, though.

>>4134207

Well if it makes you feel better this is better than anything Jackson Pollock ever created.

But real talk it's pretty dece, I like the otherworldly vibe. Parts of it seem a bit too muddy/lacking in detail but idk if that's just your style.

For starters do you recomend hampton or anatomy for sculptors?

new

>>4134940
>>4134940

>>4134330
perspective/breaking things into simple shapes

>>4134596
Nice, definitely better rendering on the second one.
>>4134641
3 month mark as in never drawn before? Because that's amazing progress.

>>4134207
I would probably add more shimmer to the running water. You can also darken it and make it reflective.

>>4132385
Dat nice. The skull seems huge. It should be roughly same size as her head.

>>4133428
lol i can tell its you beerdog. For reference, beerdog is a man marrying another man in a few months.

>>4133677
a true classic.

>>4131027
What did you learn from this? looks like a massive waste of time

>>4129855
Nunca creí que vería este meme en /ic/.

>>4129855
>ib4 birrita en la vereda

>>4129855
>inb4 birrita en la vereda