/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

I struggle really hard with pinning down value and I get the feeling I've skipped on some fundies or exercises, but I really don't know which. If someone could recommend me some shading exercises, that'd be nice.

Another thing I've had difficulty was making form converse all around while shaping this, especially when it came to drawing the hair. I realized I have no clue how hair works.

i made this

I would like to do some value studies to learn light and shadow, but I only have pencils and white paper. I guess I can kinda do it with just them but it's shitty and hard.

What should you use for value? Charcoal?

So close to done. This is my best painting by a mile. 24x36. Oil on linen. If you guys want to check out an excellent YouTube channel, check out Stephan Baumann. I’m one of his coaching students and he has helped me in a big way. Imbecile doesn’t show you technique. He guides your thinking process. Comments and critiques are welcomed.

I'm too tired to finish
I haven't done this in a long time because I'm sad :(

>>4115635
Take an HB pencil, hold sideways and lightly shade the whole FUCKIN page. Take napkin, paper towel, cum rag or whatever and blend that shit. BOOM, poor man's toned, mid range paper.

>>4115585
(Repost from old thread) More studies from the cartoon animation book.

>>4115707
I think that the second one I drew looked stiff, what did you think?

>>4115631
That poor womans tits

>>4115738
breasts are very difficult to draw :(
do you have a good guide maybe pls?

>>4115766
I'm still a beginner myself but I do have a nice tutorial from someone who draws boobs for a living.

>>4115766
>>4115772
Here are a bunch of other tutorials of the guy (I think it's a guy) that you might enjoy.
https://imgur.com/gallery/MUkPV

>>4115707
>>4115712
Do you draw with a mouse or tablet? Not trying to shit on you or anything but your lines are really wobbly. You're getting there tho

>>4115585
how's anatomy lookin' (i cant draw penis) its for a friend (repost from the old thread D;)

how do i keep drawing when i hate everything i make?

>>4115772
>>4115775
thanks good stuff

>>4115782
Do you enjoy the process of picking up a pencil and drawing?
If yes, muscle through and try to get better. Lots of people hate their finished work because they can see many of the errors in it. Constantly comparing yourself to others is another problem. Stop doing that if you do already. Only do that when you're specifically trying to improve as doing it passively will make you bitter towards you self and others who draw.
If no, find another hobby. Simple as. Drawing isn't for everyone. Its trial and error. Drawing is 50-60% muscle memory. It takes time and dedication to build that up and if you aren't willing to take it seriously, theres no point in wasting your time trying to do it. I don't have the best feelings towards a lot of what I make after its finished but I don't hate it with a burning passion like a used to. Its because I got better. You will like your work the better it becomes because what you actually drew will look more like what you intended to draw. If you hate the actual process of drawing, you'll never make it to finishing a piece in the first place. Its like saying you want to be an expert marksman but then complaining about how you hate keeping maintenance of the gun or doing target practice.
Basically, just keep drawing. Compare old drawings to new drawings. The improvement might make you feel better. Or quit and do something else with your time. I felt like wanted to quit after my ability to see caught up to my actual skill about a year in to drawing but when I considered my other options for hobbies, I decided that drawing was the only thing I really could or was willing to do. Drawing should be recreational for you, not painful.

>>4115585
i would love more criticism on this

>>4115782
i've been thru this. re read loomis. listen to art podcast that speak about how brilliant could turn your future if u hit the books m8 . u'll be okay.

>>4115802
way u drew the sleeves nd the skirt made her body looks strangely long

Got a little figure recently. Not very high quality and has minor imperfections, but it’s enough to have a real life reference to study forms and lighting on.

And as it turns out, I really do have a serious problem with properly copying things.

>>4115857
Here’s the little guy.

>>4115849
oh so there's no problem with the anatomy itself but with the way i drew the coat? Also thanks a ton for the redraw. I probably won't be redoing it but it was a fun experiment.

>>4115857
>>4115859

>>4115857
Also very basic bullshit pillowshading.

>>4115868
I‘d like to hear the answer from you. Anything specific to say?

>>4115862
mainly makes the shoulders look weird if you think what's under that coat. cannot know about rest of the body since she's wearing baggy stuff.

Ngmi

>>4115886
try to translate the lighting u got over the figure to an actual human body(with references as well otherwise you will not learn a thing..

>>4115891
anatomy is fully dead. read loomis.

I wanna try and get more into digital painting but I have no idea how to do anything. Right now I'm stuck on how to paint trees maintains and dirt. Can someone give me some advice on painting?

>>4115778
Tablet.

>>4115900
Yes. Look trees nd dirt in real Life/Pinterest. Before u start to Paint ask to urself about light directiion so u'll figure out where to put shadows nd light reflections. Pls use references

>>4115766
You don't need a guide if you have eyeballs.

Been putting off drawing for the past couple of days,so here's a quick doodle thing that I did before I went to bed

That hair was a pain in the ass to make but I think it looks presentable.

ok this was perhaps too difficult

>>4116046
>>4116047
loomis

>>4116011
Why did you delete it

>>4116053
aaand back to square one
I still don't understand loomis

>>4116046
You are conceptualising hair as being a collective of individual masses all originating from independent points instead of as a singular mass with a singular, fixed point.

>>4116067
not him but the original art is like that p shit desu

So like, what the fuck do I do after this point? I get the whole reason of not copying a reference perfectly, but I don't know what to do now after this point.

>>4116147
What were you trying to do with that drawing? Anyway, you're not thinking in 3d. Try to do it like in these drawings

>>4116134
Chad /beg/ forcing his way into the game industry

>>4116206
you dont say that faggot got into fgo, but there are worse artist too so

>>4116211
Holy fuck I draw like the same 3 poses too

>>4116215
now all you need is to be friends with the creators of any gacha/ceo or heads of the industry

>>4116151
This kinda makes me want to see an animated show about artdolls with those basic but cute faces living their own lives a la Toy Story

>>4114729
>>4115415
how do I stop being a failure

>>4116230
It's weird, you have this strange mix of understanding anatomy and not understanding it. I don't mean to be overtly harsh, but some of the frogs in your previous doodles have decent bodies but their legs feel flat or just angled weirdly. As for the rabbit drawing, I'm really thrown off by how 2/3 of it is done well and yet the mouth feels really flat, cus it's showing the entire thing when in reality we should only see it in more of a quarter view. That, and the nose bridge (assuming it's still called that with animals lol) could use some curving; it looks too blocky, but then again it *might* look better with a proper mouth but it's hard to visualize. Overall, You're definitely getting there, just keep up practicing animal anatomy, proportions and angles and such.

>>4116230
Failing and trying more. Try to break it down to simple shapes next time. And don't be lazy with the hatching, don't rush it; hatching only looks good when it's done with care and thoughtfully.

Pic related is from Dynamic Bible.

>>4116151
I tried the advice but I don't know what the fuck is wrong with me.

I just can't envision any forms or shapes and I just keep end up drawing the same 2d thing over and over again.

>>4116258
Learn perspective and draw cubes. Do it [drawing cubes] in a way that doesn't make you want shoot yourself in the face, unless you're ok with grinding. See https://drawabox.com/

>>4116271
Thanks for the advice and website recommendation anon!

>>4116230
Beg myself, imo your mistake not in body understanding but in perspective. Try some 360 view images, maybee start from basic shapes and boxes. Or just study 3d models of needed object at the right angle

Pure joy. Finished. 35 hours. I love painting.

any tips on how to do some nice lineart in paint tool sai?

>>4115849
>>4115887
i think it's looking better now

>>4115585
Every time I post my art in these threads I get zero replies. I don’t know if that’s a bad sign or a good sign. Like is my art so bad it’s not worth criticizing or there is nothing to criticize?

>>4116393
Pyw

>>4116393
You might be like me, in the dead zone. The dead zone consist of two types of art. So terrible there is no real way to critique it because so much is wrong. Or mediocre art, good enough where /beg can't critique much but still bad enough to not leave /beg, there's still room to improve but what's wrong is basic flaws.

Made from reference; I've been getting into pixel art the last two or three days.

I fugged up
>>4116421
nice homu

>>4116437
Thanks. Here's the Usagi I made before Homura.

Can someone whose read DRSB please help explain the pure contour line exercise? Mine doesn't look like anything like the examples, I think I'm misunderstanding

>>4116438
I know I messed up the perspective on her blue sailor uniform thing. I also made the cheeks a bit too thick. Here's some Conan with pretty good hair.

>>4116298
Why are you even here? You are clearly not beg

>>4116537
painting the backgrounds isn't actually hard to master

Todays offerings.

Haven't drawn the last few days because I've been wrestling with my computer shitting itself.

Some gesture and construction to get back in to the hang of things. Still trying to work on line quality. I also know the proportions on some of these are fucked. Long thigh short shin kind of shit.

Does anyone know any exercises to hammer this stuff in? Just repeating boring pose mannequins over and over with regular proportions kind of stuff?

Anyway now that the pc's fixed I'm going to focus on learning how arms, hands and shoulders work and how they all attach. Also how boobs work. I think I have a vague idea but that's about it.

>>4115585
I'm right handed and I use my right hand to do just about everything, and lately I've been trying to train my left to be more dexterous.
I tried drawing with my left and its HARD!
all the circles were from my left but i did some faces with my right for comparison

What do you think, bros? Give me advice on hair pls

>>4116575
Fucking idiot, you do iterative drawing once you know the facial features thoroughly and understand 3d and easily feel the forms and after that you can problem solve with iterative drawing.

>>4116558
Read or watch vilppu, his stuff has been helping me get more natural gestures. And imagine the stretch and compression of the obliques, top right one for example there should be a compression on her left side and stretch on the right

>>4116608
i just doing my circles at first friend, calm down

>>4115619
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fbRQcO4UKY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHewz3JbKrQ
These are some good tutorials on hair

In the art book thread, you can find How to Render by Scott Robertson. He goes over value quite nicely. Color and Light by James Gurney is another great one.

>>4115631
It's pretty important for you at this stage to have a reference pulled up on the side and to measure proportions. Out of all of the things that need work in your drawing though, I think faces should be your focus right now.

>>4115648
Same as above. Try overlaying your reference to see where you messed up on though.

>>4115781
For the most part, it's fine. Clean it up and check out Doxy's tutorials on penises. It's the selling point of your picture.

>>4115886
Use your pencil to measure and look at your picture from a far distance as well as the mannequin. Things from further away are easier to discern differences and errors between.

>>4116437
You aren't going dark enough. Add a specific ambient occlusion layer using pure black (since this is a greyscale study) and put it to about 85%. Another thing you can try is to work on a pure grey background to start with so the whites don't contrast as much.

>>4116586
You need to do more comparative measurements between your subject and the drawing. Also try and study and simplify the shapes more before going straight up detailing. Each feature is symbol drawn.
Also! If you're uploading from your phone, after taking the picture go to your gallery and take a screenshot of the picture. That will stop it from flipping.

Here's a little doodle i did. I used a pen so I couldn't really fix my mistakes. I made the right eye too small so I made it look like she was squinting and added a bit of blood to mask my screw up. any feedback would be cool.

>>4116644
The ripped part is intentional.

>>4116644
u need to work on head's proportion. Got the feeling that the forehead looks too small in comparison with lower part of the head.Neck is too wide for such little shoulders and thin arms. Also im not gettin' the ripped part.

>>4116609
Thanks man I'll look into it.

I like your shapes and I can definitely feel the form but are you afraid your finished stuff might end up looking a little lumpy?

Not trying to crab or anything but I know it's something I could see myself letting through the cracks.

>>4116644
>I couldn't really fix my mistakes
That's the best way to learn bro

What's the trick to understanding that everything is 3D and being about to draw it? Everything I make looks fat and lifeless

>>4116678
Draw more things in perspective, arguably try to just manly draw everything in 3 point perspective, when doing drawabox, the 250 box part just references of actual cubes and then draw from them.

>>4116672
>are you afraid your finished stuff might end up looking a little lumpy?
Maybe, i havnt thought much about stylization, though i seem to have a natural inclination to draw large stomachs. At this point im just trying to make the forms as simple and obvious as possible so its easier to manipulate them

Any critique, I'm trying to get rib and pelv as accurate as possible before i move into the muscles placement

>>4115585
Loomis has been confusing to me until now. even reading the books was hard to grasp it (Im not sure why, theyre not necessarily complicated.) but i found this and something clicked. Does anyone know of other places that explain it similarly to this image? I suddenly just. Get loomis heads, more or less, with this in conjunction w/ the books.

Please and thank you based /ic/

>>4116675
I mean...I can't erase the pen.

>>4116696
If you need to practice drawing or drawing shapes, draw with something you can't erase and aim to get the lines correct in the first try.
This removes your safety net and forces you to really pay attention to what you are doing.

>>4116696
used liquify, cloned eyes, made her ching look less sharper

>>4116701
chin*

looking for critique in general, have an idea of where id want to explore but still not sold on it- any advice would be appreciated!

Just thought I'd ask some critique of posture and perspective on this before I move forward with this drawing?

why is life?

>>4116732
If there's an Indian ring neck without a neck it's just an Indian and nobody wants those.

>>4116735
theyre budgies i think. photo says desert park alice springs.

>>4116742
Budgies have a flat face that is a bit taller and a round back of the head.

>>4116764
That said with their blush I think they're princess parrots.

>>4116765
i see.

>>4116775
Which is a round about way of saying it's head is too flat and square.

>>4116780
thanks

id appreciate so,e honest critique on this

>>4116047
Biggest problem is the hands and wrists, they can't bend like that comfortably. Take a reference photo of yourself in the pose you want her in and copy the hands from your photo.

>>4116793
Her torso seems a bit short and her crotch a bit too long

>>4116798
thank you; i dident notice it

>>4116298
Are you going to post this in every thread?

Should I learn in krita or photoshop?

>>4116793
it looks really cool but i would fix the neck and hip also all the mechanic stuff look lil bit messy. btw ur style remembers me a classmate who only draws only with pen.

>>4116825
fuk my dyslexia.

>>4116608
you have your head so far up your ass you cry bile. Grow up.

>>4116793

>>4116701
I like what you did with it. And it helps me realize how big I made the face. very good. Thank you.

>>4116802
Was posting progress. I thought that’s what this thread was supposed to be about.

>>4116877
This thread is for pitiful retards. You may be a retard but you're not nearly pitiful enough.

>>4116916
that must be why you're here than.

>>4116916
Yeah I am shit at drawing

Never finished this one. though some feed back is always welcomed.

>>4116996
Stop chicken scratching

>>4116997
What do you mean friend.

finally decided to try out the loomis guy you people seem to talk so much about. It's pretty fun!

>>4117015
i can see loomis in here

>>4117015
I can feel the Loomis oozing out of my screen just by looking at it.

>>4117037
I want to hug her

>>4117039
you cant shes poisonous and made of a chemical fbi

>>4115781
is that a femboi?

What's the best adobe for just drawing and stuff? There's like 20 and I don't know what one to get, I hear photoshop is the best but it looks like they have ones specifically for drawing and shit so is that the way to go or should I just stick with the tried and true photoshop?

>>4117091
paint.net

>>4116206
There is nothing /beg/ about the art you replied to you gigantic fucking retard, just because someone doesn't follow whatever arbitrary rules you think you pulled out of Loomis or some shitty NMA/Schoolism teacher (who in all likelihood IS a shitty artist themselves, otherwise why would they waste time making instructional videos for NGMIs instead of making popular art that is loved by millions of people, like that guy who did that piece for Danganronpa) doesn't mean they're /beg/.
People here are so desperate for SOME amount of structure to supplement their utter lack of talent and imagination that they begin judging all art by how well it follows their preferred list of arbitrary rules, rather than just looking at the fucking art that's right in front of their eyes.

>>4116996
A shame you didnt finish her because she looks cute, the uneven eyes could be fixed easily.
I like that you took the time to give her a little bit of blush on her cheeks and shadow beneath the chin.

>>4117037
cute tummy

>>4117124
Goku SSJ3 looks so annoyed to be there it's hilarious. Hair is suprisingly on model.
Maybe try space hitler next since his design is a little easier than the saiyans.

>>4117091
>>4117094
can I please get a serious answer

>>4116793
my new desktop background

>>4117091
I think for actual drawing from Adobe it's just photoshop. They should really make something made just for art.
If you want to try another option I'd suggest Clip Studio Paint.
It seems to run a lot faster than photoshop.

how do you guys record your thoughts and ideas for drawings? do you write it down in text, or do little doodle, or record your voice on a dictaphone?

what happened to that 35yoboomer namefag?

I'm really bad at drawing and it feels bad. I don't know why I should try when it seems like I will always be bad.

>>4117195
Sometimes it's a mashup of different references.
So a quick collage combined with my own doodles and notes.
Do what works for you. Do all three if you want.

>>4117189
Your lines are super chicken scratchy. Not sure what she's holding in her hand but it seems to be that top and bottom parts aren't lined up straight. The top part is also just a mess in general. Way too loose.

I'm pretty new to painting.. Any advice? Idk what to do to improve it.

a painting i made for a contest- im pretty proud of it, but i know it could be better.

Should I be able draw semi-realistic people/poses from imagination? Or is it okay to use pose references? I heard just copying a reference photo is bad

>>4117334
As a /beg/, this is from reference.
>>4116446
It seems like a good idea to make things from reference while trying to understand why things look the way they do, with the objective of eventually having a greater sense of how to make things from scratch.

I need help, /beg/. How do i transfer the square to ground plane evenly to perspective?

>>4117451
sigh I hate phone posting

>>4117455
You and me both. I usually post digital stuff, but if I do something on actual paper I tend to just take a pic and upload it straight from my phone. I can understand the high dimensions as per that's what phone camera resolutions are but why the fuck does every phone pic come out sideways when uploaded to a thread? I wish there was an app that could resize and properly rotate/optimize pics for stuff like that.

>>4117462
There's websites, I don't know about apps, there probably are some good photo editors. My phone is shit so I can't download any.
I use resizeimage.net when I upload images on my phone.

>>4115585
Rate my perfect creation mere mortals and no this isn't SATIRE after 100 hours of Loomis memes I have finally ascended to the rank of rank amateur by /ic beg / standards in other words I am a god by mortal standards, I -*cough cough* OK whatevs still trying working on curving the eyes tits came out OK I suppose nipple placement is scuffed but pH well.

>>4117380
the right arm

>>4117489

>>4117492
Wow that's blurry

Practicing coloring, I like how this one turned out
I noticed the mouth and jaw are a bit wonky, any other things you anons can point out to improve?

drew an owl. thoughts? I need all the critique and advice or else I will never improv

>>4117497
looks cute. if ur doing coloring practice please use references otherwise you are learning nothing.

For drawing monitors, is it acceptable for the cursor to be offset from the pen by a couple of milometers?

>>4117501
As an amatuer cartoon, it's fine. If you were trying for realism, you have a lot of work to do - starting with learning what owls actually look like.

>>4116877
No, you're posting victory lap posts in multiple threads. We get it. It's nice. Move on to the next piece.

>>4117462
They exist. It's called "Bridge", and it should be in your pirated copy of Photoshop or CC. Hell, the free image viewing apps that Mac and Windows gives you for free can rotate a picture.

>>4117516
I meant apps for your phone so you could edit and upload directly from it, rather than upload it to your pc, edit then upload. Then again I'm just lazy with that lmao

>>4117509
so your saying im not totally worthless? O_O that I might make it someday?

>>4116537
Some people like to run in the special olympics

>>4117546
Woah, let's not go that far....

>>4115585
Any thoughts on this before I do clean up?

>>4116643
Thank you, anon.

>>4117497
Bring the centerline on the face to the most downward part on the chin so you can assess whether it's symmetrical or not better.

>>4117325
Something about your piece just radiates radical homosexuality.

>>4117608
Im gonna real, im taking that as a compliment.

Is James Dean a /beg/ or he's one of those geniuses that know their fundies and chooses to do ''simpler'' stuff? asking cause i want to make it like him but avoid grinding fundies.

How do I abstract the eyes in a more appealing way

Is it possible to find the perspective center of say a rectangle by guessing or without doing that large X to find it?

My attempt at photo manipulation or i don't know what it's called i just like doing this.

Am I gonna make it?

>>4117455
>still no answer
I guess I have to dig through a book that has the answer.

>>4117722
If you have to ask the answer will remain no. You’ll make it when you find confidence in your abilities and don’t require validation of your skill.

>>4117722
Nah, gross stuff is for people who can't make anything appealing.

>>4117727
This guy is a faggot for encouraging blind confidence. This is like Chris Chan or Andrew Dobson's logic.
The entire reason we do critique is to refresh your perspective. It's required to ask people about this kind of thing to improve.

>>4117733
I never said to ignore criticism and think you’re some genius you dumbass illiterate queer.

Latest piece. Trying to find something to give my art something to stand out from other stuff in my genre. I know I over did the lighting a bit and I think I need to make better use of references for interior design.
Any critique is welcome

>>4117692
it's fine, nice and simple and doesn't need to be more 'appealing'. Anyway since that's part of the stylization it's not really something to be getting direct advice on imo: look at art you like, look at how it looks, try to incorporate elements, experiment, etc. this is the part that's fun to do yourself.

but your values are fucked: the features are nearly the same value as the hair which is nearly the same value as the skin. maybe get mid tone paper + white pencil, or maybe ink washes, or a wider range of pencils, or whatever

>>4117737
>if you have to ask the answer will remain no. You'll make it when you find confidence in your ability and don't require validation of your skill

So you'll make it when you're confident in your work but also don't ask people to give you advice on your work in general. You see how this could go horribly wrong right?

>>4117727
>>4117729
thank you

>>4117745
I only said not to need validation. There’s a difference between asking for criticism and needing validation that you’re a good artist.

>>4117325
tits ruin it honestly

>>4117752
So how did you know he was asking for validation in the first place?
Also, it seems like these things are two sides of the same coin.
Between asking for critique,
Where you take an alternate perspective to improve your skills
and asking about your skill level
Where you take an alternate perspective on your artistic skills in general.

It's like a teacher leaving notes without ever giving you a score on any of your work. You have a rough idea but you're still going to suffer a bit when you don't really have a reference.

>>4117741

>>4117752
Dude, people can tell when a bad or begginer artist is probably gonna make it.

>>4117744
Will do anon, thank you

>>4117774
I'm /beg/, this is my first landscape. Will I make it? I know I fugged the perspective and some of the rocks.

>>4116693
like this?

>>4117804
I guess you're gonna make it. You got nice values there.

This might sound retarded, but during loomis head drawings there are lots of curved/dissecting lines you have to put on spheres right? How do I figure out how much to curve the lines? Is it something you generally learn off of feel? Or is there a method to it?

Pic related, the middle one I tried earnestly on and I know it’s fucked. Quickly sketched the bottom ones and the middle left just as examples for ones that are bad, and another that I tried on

Working on this one again. I took a break from it for a couple months. 48x30” oil on canvas.

Not finished yet. But feedback is appreciated.

The bottom is supposed to be water. So it will properly cover their legs when I'm done.

>>4115585
I just want to thank all the Anons who put up with my shitty drawings.
Seriously, thanks for the advice/motivation

>>4117880
Can I fuck it

>>4117862

>>4117900

>>4117901

trying to fix some of my old art(2017) fixed her calf a bit but it's still a mess, mostly been grinding proportions, so anatomy's still tricky to me, like how arms connect to the torso and how thighs connect to the lower body, and how calves connect to the thighs, so yeah, stopping chicken scratching and gesture/expression remains a lower priority

I'll take any and all advice anons. I have tried every book/method for a month and I feel like I am too dumb to understand how to use an artbook.I used digital to save paper but I usually do trad. Do I copy the artist's example until I can replicate it to proper fidelity and then apply it to my own stuff? Do I just grind and copy until I can carbon copy the author's stuff? I feel like I can't even make a line properly, I start making the line for the cheek and it comes out like shit. I try to make an oval for the head and it comes out like shit. I am confused and have no idea of how to approach it.

Tried to do pic related with this Japanese loomis (I feel like he mixed construction and grids, but wouldn't lines just overlap at that point?Does he use a lighter pencil beforehand uses his 6B for hard construction?No idea).

Work today in pic related.

Does anyone know a website where I could rotate a 3D cube and get the degrees while rotating it?

>>4117816
yes, exactly!thank you!

>>4117765
whats the issue with them? the shading/too flat? or do you just not like tits?

>>4117903
>>4117901
>>4117900
Ty anon I’m at work now but I’ll definitely check these out and see how I do

>>4117930
you completely ignored the proportions those figures show, like all you did was copy the top-right figure putting all the effort in just getting the same picture, and failing anyway. Can you read japanese? I can't, and I can confidently tell that the whole point of the exercise is to learn the general propotions of the features of the face. What you need to do is copy the steps, commit the proportions to memory, and then repeat from imagination. Repeat a handful of times to make sure you got it right and then move on. No need to waste effort into getting exact reproductions of the figures because that's not the goal.

Don't jump between books. Too many different methods and contradictory advise will crearly hurt you if you are an absolute /beg/. Stick to a handful at most depending of what you want to accomplish. If you need something more guided, watch video courses.

if you have such bad dexterity as you say I can assume that you just started doing digital and/or you are just a beginner. In both cases it will be easier just to stick with pencil and printer paper to do your studies. Grinding will be at least 2x easier

Animu eyes are hard to get right

>>4117954
It was a joke and honestly I was afraid you would take it seriously so sorry about that.

But yeah I think she would of looked cuter as a cute guy. Frecklage + Long, blonde hair is pure aethetic.

i'd love to get some criticism on this piece. the background is taken from an ingame screenshot

>>4118004
No forehead
Neckpilled
Bad shoulders
Badly rendered lighting on hair
Looks like one of those bad "how to draw anime" books

Learn anatomy and construction / 10

>>4118004
You are basing stylized drawing upon stylized drawing which leaves you with no form. Stylized drawing should at least be informed of what its stylizing.

>>4118010
Ignore that anon; critique my Homura

>>4118026
No, do not ignore him. I agree with his critique. Do not ignore negative feedback.

>>4118029
I only realized after submitting that that post would be completely misread. I meant ignore the awful anime girl and critique my work instead. His critique was good.

>>4117993
ahhh lol, thanks. I havent drawn her as a dude (yet), shes an oc of mine lol

>>4117970
Aight, thank you Anon, will stick to trad for a while and grind some fundies from there. May want to stick to Villpu/Hampton/Loomis (book on faces) at least until I get a proper idea on how to make a sample face + body. Never looked into video courses, is Proko any good?

how is this thing

Howdy all, i'm struggling with this piece. Any tips? Anything that is specifically bad? Anything that is specifically good?

Thank-you in advance.

>>4118064
That's a stale pasta

Drawing from some art i like, someday i'll have to learn to draw faces

>>4118079
forgot img

>>4118064
You got 3 people giving you advice in the last thread and you've done absolutely none of that.
Stop reposting this shit hoping for a magic solution and actually put in some work.

lame, unfinished sketches

>>4118113
Yikes man. I didn't see the other thread was still up and I only saw one reply on it. I've done heaps of work to it since then. I'm not looking for a silver bullet here. Just some feedback dude. No need to have a melt down.

>>4118080
Tits look odd. Might need to work on them. Xenophile? Eitherway I like these and would love to see some finished pieces.

Brush?

>>4115775
No penor toot?

>>4118115
these are hilarious

>>4118152
I've been simplifying the breasts as a curved cylinder and half of them i didn't finish, but the weighting is probably off too. They're coppied from already finished drawings by other artists, and i still can't draw faces so i couldn't finish them if i wanted to.

Brush is the grainy chalk in Krita

>>4118115
>atp
Love it bru, now shut the fuck up, and thanks

>>4118049
Fading looks weird, the top of the head too

Is it possible to find the perspective center of say a rectangle by guessing/eyeballing it or without doing that large X to find it?

>>4118182
yeah after you practice doing it with the x for ages, you can eyeball it

But it takes no time to do the x so why not just do it and be accurate

gesture important

>>4117930
Read the sticky, print the books, read the book as a magazine, stick on what you want to improve doesnt matter which book, 1° thing any /beg/ should start is learn how to copy and draw from real life, try to draw what you enjoy

>>4118080
i see you're making an effort on your lines compared to before
good job

>>4118186
I want to do drawings without ever using the eraser

>>4118199
Use ink

>>4118211
Aren’t you supposed to do a pencil sketch and draw over it with ink with an ink sketch?

>>4118214
You can do that but you can also do "direct" ink drawings with no sketch underneath, Kim Jung Gi style. Good luck with that if youre beg

>>4118214
>aren't you supposed too..
no rules, just tools

>>4118224
>>4118229
Going back to the X I was talking about, when I erase it I erase a bit of a portion of a line I didn’t intend on erasing. Would doing it with ink and eyeballing it be better?

>>4118232
No what would be better is just learn how to erase accurately

>>4118232
You want a perfect center? Use the X shit, you want to be clean? Eyeball it and hope its mostly in the right spot. Also another thing, drawing in ink is a bitch but its pretty comfy once you build a visual library (which fucking requires drawing the same thing over and over again from multiple angles) but it teaches you to be more confident and let go of mistakes and instead make sure you don’t do the mistake again.

>>4118235
>>4118239
Looks like I don’t have a choice here but learning to erase better. Thank you.

all from photos, pls critique

>>4118049
Try to be more subtle with the shading. Work your soft edges. Faces are complicated, but you'll get better with mileage.

what the fuck am I doing

>>4118320
Not reading the sticky

Are there any good youtube series that show an artist drawing from start to finish? I lean more from observing how someone else did it and copying their method

>>4118330
no shortcuts, read sticky

does anyone have advice for replicating the AO section of this image? do I just darken where surfaces come near one another or where light would bounce around a lot like between the hair and neck?

>>4117251
It looks OK. Try to fix it your chicken scratch

>>4118460
Ambient occlusion happens in places where no light can reach the form.

>>4118490
oh, that makes sense why he does the shadows first then

>>4118156
I remember there being a penis tutorial but I can't remember if that one was from Doxy as well.
It might have been from Onta who draws in a similar style.

What should I do if individually all body parts and features such as eyes/nose/mouth seem to be the correct size, but I can never manage to get them to line up properly in proportion to each other?

I've just been overlaying the reference to see where I go wrong and fixing it, but there must be some solution to stopping this from ever happening

>>4118547
onta and doxy is the same person anon

got some heavy praise for a painting of a machine i did that was copied from a ref. i dont want to paint from ref forever.

How the fuck do I draw the hand? references for hands dont help me because there is always 4000 different fucking situations omg im hyperventalating

>>4118613
witch hand? the guy has two. is there another?

>>4118615
oh yea sorry, the one holding the bears back

>>4118617
this help?

>>4117015
The nose should be covering a part of the eye on the shorter side of thr face, we shouldn't be seeing the full eyeshape, go to the Kim Jung Gi course thread and check out how he does a face, it helped me a looot

I want to start adding some details. But I need critique,

>>4118623
yes, i thank you

Tried to into hands for the first time. I need to pay m ore attention to the ref instead of just using it as a rough guide and winging it.

The 4 on the left were a lot funner because I applied some gesture to them. Still looks like someone went at them with a sledge hammer though.

>>4118639
Looks like a silhouette of the ripoff toon porn ads on pornhub

>>4118156

>>4118156
2/3

>>4118639
i'd scrap that. Start learning and applying basic figure drawing: gesture+form.

Also use and post reference alongside your work

>>4118156
3/3

>>4118613

no idea on how to progress but allright,
ive always heard conflicting arguments from the /beg/

do i do boxes or loomis?
i just want to learn how to be a good artist

I cant draw clouds for shit, the clouds are the only thinkg I ant to make look realistic. what do I do ?

How do I into muscles? Also the calves look weird but I really can't put my finger on it

>>4118586
hope you like the tips

>>4118868

Practicing arm/general anatomy stuff after looking reading some of Hogarth's "Drawing Dynamic Hands."

>>4118320
Lmao are you even trying ? literally 5 minutes and the distort tool

>>4118892
nice lol
i was trying but I again overestimated my ability to construct a body without a reference

>>4118896
I was kidding tho just wanted to mess around, the only thing you did wrong is that the torso was too forward making it look unatural

>>4118890
probably best to leave anatomy for after you know how to draw basic forms in space reliably (spheres, cylinders, cubes)

>>4118254
please critique episode two, the /beg/ begging for /beg/ critiques

>>4118254
pretty nice, you should try shading the leftmost one, if the photo was very bright I recomend you add your own lighting

>>4118954
that was the warmup to the practice, was going to redraw it. there was shading but I was being lazy

some of my worst work yet :( posting anyway because that's what beg is here for, right bros?
>>4118853
head is flat, your calves have weird insertion points and are out of perspective. Try bridgman and anatomy for sculptors.

>>4118254
epic hatching, beri cool.

>>4117312
marco bucci

>>4117169
what are you taking, anon?

>>4117125
less lines.

How come the Star-Marked object seems impossible?
These are Floating 3rd Point perspective boxes. For all I did a Horizontal Line perpendicular to an initial Line of any box, getting a left and a right VP. Then added a 3rd VP that was parallel and connecting to the initial Line. Then I made the boxes.
However the Star-marked one got a Horizonline that crosses the initial Line. And it should create bird's eye and worm's eye at the same time. Yet this feels like it's impossible. I wonder, why?!

Newfriend here. How should I be learning from Bridgman's Constructive Anatomy? Should I be trying my best to understand his words and/or copy his examples?
Should I try out another book or author? I want to learn realistic anatomy.

you ever get so full of impotent beg rage you turn olivia newton-john into a tranny noir detective

>>4119072
forgot to resize mrs man hands my bad

>>4118064
Work on your values, you need more darks and more highlights. Unless your purposely using three shades of gray then make them three distinct shades.

>>4115585
While I'm starting to understand construction I'm having trouble with volume and rendering. Any good books for those?

>>4119074
I like this a lot.

>>4115585
>Bob Ross
I'm a total /beg/ how much can I learn form his PBS show?

>>4117325

youre not gonna make it

is loomis a newfag filter?

Is this a good recreation of the picture that Im going to post next? My sister did and she thinks that she did badly, and I dont know anything about art, so I dont know whether she is simply being self-deprecating or actually did poorly. I think that she did well.

>>4119253
This is what she was recreating

die

>>4118330
they speed things up in most
you better pirate them progress vids

>>4118981
check the closet angle to viewer eye
most of the others have the Y shape

First digital sketch I've ever made

>>4119206
Thank you for posting my waifu

>>4119358
Distance between nose nd mouth is too wide. Chin perspective is wrong. Try to turn around your head in front of a mirror you will see whats wrong with it.

>>4119358
Go practice some Loomis heads and try digital stuff later.

>>4119367
>loomis

>>4119055
Bridgeman is great because he simplifies and scuplts the anatomy for you. If you copy his stuff without thinking, you'll end up teaching yourself nothing. If you think very clearly about the intent behind the forms, he'll teach you plenty and beyond. It really helped me see human bodies as shapes with planes, for which I know how to apply more detailed anatomy to.

>>4119375
Thanks. I had some trouble digesting the material because it was fairly wordy, but I'll pick it up again tomorrow and see how it goes.

>>4116643
Did I do better with the values here?

Should I be doing asaro head studies until I can draw them from imagination? I struggle to recall the planes of the head from imagination so I'm wondering what the smartest method to improve at it would be.

>>4119366
Thanks for the tip, I'll try to move things around.
>>4119367
No Idea what Loomis is

>>4119358

>>4119421
Forgot to write the text:
Drawing I did just now

>>4119421
It is cute for a beginner. You know the stuff keep learning and studying.

Hands are surprisingly fun. I feel like they're also helping me with construction and placing objects in 3d space.

Still need to get better at observing and line control/confidence.

First attempt at an anime style, unfinished.
Still haven't really mastered construction in 3d space but I think I can at least make something with some rudimentary sense of geometry.
Drawabox and loomis aren't working for me, but hampton has been valuable so far.
am I GMI?

Okay, more studies from the book.

>>4119555

today's practice

>>4119558
Thoughts and suggestions?

ngmi here, working through Dodson's book.

Revisited this drawing last night, paid closer attention to the shapes/forms of the guy's body and yeah, this is leagues better than the first one. Lower torso needs work tho

>>4119613
>human lips
>that neck placement and perspective
fucking cringe

>>4120080

New thread soon?

everyone keeps saying to work on fundies but I don't understand how?? do I keep drawing different shapes and then adding value? I don't get it at all

hands because... hands ig
all from imagination
>>4119856
i like how this is going line-wise, but you drew out the linear indication of the delt way too far. also, work on using less lines for your hands and the other areas you're uncomfortable with.

>>4120081
>>4120080

ears on the green furry chick are out of perspective, simplify your lines

>>4120308
>all from imagination
very well done anon, how did you figure out how to keep the fingers proportionate?

Is this a bad tutorial?
It's no Hampton, but it looks to be using a mix of the methods of Preston Blair and some slight construction that's taught everywhere.

hamptom draws disgusting frog people with beanbags for torsos. it's fucking vile. it's the worst thing I've ever seen. I cannot stand to look at the page i want to vomit

>>4120325
thanks anon, I've spent a lot of time looking at my hands and others' hands so I felt it out, but when I'm doing technical work I make the fingers a 5th-3rd longer than the palm and separate it into parts getting ~1/3 shorter

>>4120369
it's alright anon, but don't use tutorials as a way to skip out on drawing from life. these tutorials teach you other people's simplifications for parts of the body, but you'll understand best the ones you find on your own.

Good luck in your journey anon. If you ever want something more in depth, try Anatomy for Sculptors or Goldfinger.

>>4120308
Thanks for the feedback

>>4120420
>>4120420