/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

What NGMI am I?

>>4095712
Still at fundies level. Just keep it up, fundies are important. A year or so when you post a finished piece, then we can tell you which ngmi you are

Did a few drawings from ref and then i tried to construct some poses from imagination. I feel like the poses that i construct are really boring perspective wise

>>4095694
>aristocratic russian mountains
and that wouldnt be the most awesome thing, why? peaceful serenity, vodka, abundance of hot chicks, drunken sex every night. fuck i didnt know I wanted this until now.

>>4095712
Bring your perspective points closer together. Your technique is sound, but the points are too far apart and it's warping your perspective quite a bit. You'll become more sensitive to the warping effect as you practice.

>>4095694
First time seriously sketching hands. Doing the "draw what you see" thing, so no construction. Any feedback?

inb4: Chicken scratched to shit. I definitely need more confidence.

>>4095729
They are. Push harder. You're on the right track, though. Keep it up.

>>4095729
it's more about them being stiff and unbalanced than being boring

>>4095767
You already know you're chicken scratching and visual accuracy will get better as you practice, so there's not much to say.

Also, is that ink? My lines got a lot better when I started drawing with ink only.
Measure twice, draw once. You know how it goes. Keep it up.

>>4095617
>>Same boring faces with no comment
>Why do you come here? Doesn't look like you're looking for critique.

im not gonna demand critique or attention, if someone has it for me, i'll be grateful and try to listen.
otherwise no i'm not looking for anything specific, i try to work on all areas, even if i'm a little slow to study, like my hands/torsos.
>Same boring faces
i'm still a beginner, been drawing for almost a year and still learning slowly, my shit's gonna look boring for a while, especially hasty work doodles form imagination.

you should post your work tho

>>4095791
Apparently, he blabbed out his verdict after just looking at two faces. Current post looks very nice and definitely not sameface.

>>4095798
too kind, thanks

>>4095773
> so there's not much to say
> Keep it up.
I guess just wanted some validation on whether I'm on the right track. I'm not too great with trusting myself.

> Also, is that ink? My lines got a lot better when I started drawing with ink only.
Yeah it's ink. That is exactly why I've been trying to do these with it. I feel like if I cannot use an eraser I have to be more committed to what I put down on paper but on the other hand it also makes me for fearful of laying anything down, hence the scratching.

>>4095791
I've seen everyhting you post in your pic already, and even then aside for the squatting Cammy everything is either referenced off something or or plain boring.
I maintain my comment of you doing the same boring shit over and over.
>>4095798
Bare in mind that the stuff in his pic are most likely months old.

>>4095820
>aside for the squatting Cammy everything is either referenced off something or or plain boring.

the 4 dudes above mike tyson and below the shitty ghostbusters are from imagination and so are some other scribbles.
>Bare in mind that the stuff in his pic are most likely months old
some in those are a few days old and have never been posted.
you're right tho my shit is kinda boring

I still think you should pyw

>>4095829
Loomis.

Look at Proko's vids on the portrait and how to avoid symbol drawing and seeing the head as a set of forms.

>>4095763
Not that anon, perpective beg here.
>Bring your perspective points closer together.
Are you talking about the vanishing points? wouldn't that only increase the warp effect?

As I had promised last time.

>>4095856
To be fair I should post some of the garbage studies I did. Shading is of course fucked as I don’t have a full understanding of it yet.

>>4095861
Another.

You just know this is the guy talking all that shit too lmao

>>4095856

>>4095712
>The Minecrafter
-Started with drawabox
-wont move on until he's mastered 100k cubes

>>4095861
>>4095865
What do you hope to gain by studying this?

>>4095763
What the fuck. Stop it.

>>4095840
You're right.

>>4095856
I've seen you post this exact same face and pose for months now, do you draw anything else when it comes to what you consider people?

I drew a peach and I'm really proud of it. As for my calligraphy... well go ahead and roast that until it turns to plasma.

quick study, but I don't know how to go beyond rough into a fully finished piece

>>4095969
Not a bad start, actually. You've certainly got colors down for the most part. This would look really neat with some proper lines and refined lighting here and there.

I was the person who spent a week constructionist slav squats

This took 1 hour and 30 minutes.I feel like that's WAY too long to be spending on something like this.Am I spending too much time? If so,how do I get faster?

Originally I was trying to get clean looking lines,but near the end I just chicken scratched it

>>4096020
>how do I get faster?
do it more often. keep drawing

>>4096024
Since I should probably focus on drawing faster,does that I mean I should lessen my focus on making finished drawings?

>>4096027
always try to finish a drawing. just do it more often

>>4096020
did you use a reference for construction? even if it's not done in the same pose or angle you have to know how horse's body is composed
what you have looks fine except for the front legs, add a head as well

>>4096027
Do both. Do some rough sketches then choose one and finish it.

>>4096030
I used this as ref for construction.I was planning on making into a centaur girl,so I left the head

>>4096038
>centaur girl
Thank fuck

I have never used digital, never painted, never any of this. I have no idea what the fuck I'm doing and honestly it looks way better than I expected it to.

Opinions? Suggestions? Glaring weaknesses?

>>4096071
check the sticky out, it's got a lot of info.
feature placement and proportions are off by a lot, hinting at weak construction skill. i'd focus on that and stick to linework before beginning values, to curb any potential crutches early on

Yeah I know, I totally fucked up the hair. Didn‘t really know what kind of style would fit.

>>4096088
Message received. I'm self taught and the little influence I received from people around me were weebs, so my fundamentals are... basically not there.

>>4095729
I'd like the reference for the bottom left one, please

Based off my grandpa's oil painting of a beach in scotland - not copying the painting but just looking at the same style

>>4095968
Learn how the brush strokes work for kanji calligraphy. Each stroke has a specific direction and weight on specific ends. Each stroke has a meaning, often masculine or feminine. It will make a great difference.

Didn't do any heads for a week and I can't help but feel that whatever understanding I was achieving has been lost.

Lesson learnt

Heads every day. Just not all day.

>>4096308
Forgot to attache pic

Time for sleep.

>>4096314
this is still better than what you used to post weeks ago

>>4095694
>has never created a complete work

what's a complete work here? anything that isn't just a chicken scratched sketch? like lineart and rendering?

>>4095969
how are you matching color to the ref? the light is really close. would like to see how you handle a night scene.

Does drawing just feel like a chore to anyone else? I'm not sure this is really for me but I don't know how else to spend my time. I am not even good and I don't feel I care enough about what I am doing to even continue. Just feels like I am trying to copy a picture that looks a lot better than what I do and I am not very entertained by it. I will say I now realize it is a lot more work than I thought to be a good artist.

>>4096350
order some dolls and play imaginatively with them. you're dead inside and need to art therapy hard.

New one, same method as before >>4092816

>>4096364
>you're dead inside and need to art therapy hard.
Well you are certainly right about that. So I should order one of those figures you make poses with?

>>4096370
anything you find cute/cool/awesome. even remotely. find the thing you resonate best with. it isn't about making poses, but relearning how to play and explore. art has to be fun/ pleasurable or it ruins the work.

>>4096375
Okay thanks anon I didn't really think of that.

>>4095694
I feel like it's missing, "can't draw without reference"

Switched to almost exlusively digital a couple of months ago and have been noticing a lot of strain on my wrist.
I think the cause is that I can't really change up my grip much like I could in traditional and the small drawing surface making it hard to draw from the shoulder.
Couldn't really find anything past posture and stretching advice and I think I'm already doing that right.
Anyone got any tips for dealing with that, or do I just have to live with the pain?

>>4095694
Holy shit I'm the 'only copies jpegs sight sized'

>>4096409
Grip strength exercises at medium load with more repetitions. Basically train the endurance of your wrists. The simplest would be to buy this rubber ring thing and use it. Just choose the right strength.

>>4096323
>>how are you matching color to the ref?
I tried to make the colors look more interesting and saturated so wasn't trying to be completely faithful
> would like to see how you handle a night scene.
Do you have reference? can't find one I like

>>4095992
thanks

>>4096472
links to 2018 /x/ thread?

>>4096482
What

>>4096409
In my experience there are three things that happen exclusively with digital drawing:
1. Using the buttons on the stylus, which overworks your thumb or index finger. This will lead to carpal tunnel.
2. Grabbing the stylus too hard and making more strokes than usual when using a low opacity. This leads to numbness in the fingertips.
3. Resting the forearm against the edge, or the elbow on top of the table. This impedes circulation.

The only solution to these problems is to be cognizant and stop doing them.

>>4095694
>the only copies jpegs
how do I end this torment?

>>4096485
image search is a thread from 2018

>>4095861
These aren't bad - but draw bigger. Your pencil lines are too prominent because they're small, and fight for attention.

>>4095969
Start the next level of polish and detail. Start capturing texture, not just color. Define the form more.

Can you guys actually understand what's going on here? I get the feeling this is too messy without coloring

>>4096555
no, but when you color it will be really cool

I keep getting pissed trying to learn things that should be helping me improve, I have flashes of images I want to be able to draw but I don't have the skill to execute them and I actually get into a seething rage that I can't do what I think

>>4095694
Haven't seen that only copies jpegs guy in a while or yev either.

>>4096555
weird metal dude tried to hit knock off bane with a baseball bat while they're flying through the air and knock off bane blocks it and weird metal guy is like OH NO I AM IN DANGER THE ROBOT IS IN BAD CONDITION

>>4096554
how to capture texture on sai?
tried switching to using the acrylic brush once i reached the same stage as last picture but results pretty bad

>>4096071
Use a big brush to paint shit before you go to the finer details, and also please zoom out while painting.

>>4096135
nice, add some highl;ights too

>>4096297
>Each stroke has a meaning, often masculine or feminine
What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

i've been drawing this car for like 4 hours

>>4096732
means more circular vs mushrooming/ hard angles.

>>4096779
it's nice, I like it

>>4096797
I'm asking specifically. I know Katakana was the male script, and hiragana the female, but does it extend to kanji? Is there a name for this?

Murder me, /ic/

>>4096214

>>4096799
thanks bro

i've never really properly dealt with perspective. I tried to keep in mind where the eye level was, but mostly what ended up happening was a lot of measuring and winging foreshortening ...

i still don't really understand how it is you can predict foreshortening with objects-- with those architect lines or w/e.

critique welcome haha

>>4096350
Okay well I drew something. I know it looks like shit but it was kind of fun because I just used my imagination. I know it is bad though but I guess I will post it.

>>4096859
motherfucker

>>4096827
Were did you find this pic?

>>4096863
why has god forsaken me
(ill post the referecne picture if it's wanted)

>>4096867
/hr/

>>4095767
Doesn't look like chicken scratching to be honest. The lines are quite fluid.

Trying to run before I learn to walk.

>>4096939
blog?

Posted this in a different thread and told it's /beg/, but I can't see what I'm doing wrong. Thoughts?

>>4097000
Their feet aren’t connecting to the floor. Are they jumping? Also, hulk’s anatomy seems off, even given the style. Too top heavy?

How do I stop myself from getting frustrated when trying to learn things I don't know /ic/?

I like drawing clouds but I won't get anywhere doing simply that

>>4097007

I never intended for them to have their feet planted, just felt like drawing characters of mine with no regards for a "floor," although I do know the importance of planting feet for character sheets and such.

As for the anatomy of the hulk kid, I did originally intend for him to be top heavy and exaggerated, but how could I fix it?

>>4096732
Some lines are thicker and more angular, while others are softer and curvier. They called them masculine and feminine lines. I don't know how to find out more about it though. I just remember watching an inking course once and she brought in a calligraphy expert, and while she was doing her demo she talked about this stuff. I'm sorry I can't be more helpful, anon.

>>4097000
It's a plain cartoon style which you executed well. You're never gonna get any love from /ic/. The only ever feedback I got for something similar was "go back to tumblr".

>>4097012
Those are nice clouds.

>>4097123
I can't stop myself from getting frustrated trying to learn the fundamentals so I can draw people and it's so disheartening. Wat do

>>4097012
The idea that you can't learn fundamentals by drawing clouds is preposterous. You just need to start actually drawing clouds and not some flat a little cloud like shapes. They are cardboard cutouts, not clouds.

Clouds are giant masses of water vapour. They are 3D objects. So draw them as such.

First time posting here. Ref'd this. I feel I'd done every art sin here...
Rip me into pieces, /beg/.

>>4097224
post ref pls

>>4097225
Oops

I'm trying to figure out what my next steps should be in terms of study. At the least I need to study hands/feet/the head as their own individual subjects but there are also multiple anatomical landmarks that could use some improvement.

>>4097254
Failed to include the image

It's a rough draft. Trying to draw a choco-elf.

>>4097257
She's cute but it's a little unclear to me what she's supposed to be conveying with her expression. Also based taste anon, brown elves are the best.

>>4097256
faces are most glaring issue, if you're avoiding drawing something it's usually a sign you need to work on it

>>4096826
Her face is flat.
The anatomy is all over the place.
No perspective or foreshortening.
No shading.
No feet.
No line variation.
Can't even color inside the lines.
Random pattern on swimsuit doesn't follow contours.
Thumb is as long as a fucking cucumber.
Tube arms.
Blushing looks like she just got hit in the face with a football.

And finally, stop drawing children.

>>4097304
>children
go outside; just because her hips aren't double the size of her shoulders, that doesn't mean she's a kid. cumbrain

>>4097319
You're a pedophile.

>>4097303
Well its not so much that I'm avoiding it its more so that I figured I'd spend enough time learning the structure of the body before tackling heads/facial features as their own subject which it might be time for soon.

>>4095694
I can't get the point with a russian academy. Is russian classical art education considered cool or something?

Send help

I'm trying to wrap my head around what to use for drawing on paper that would allow for good line variation without the need to go for A3 pages as I don't have the place to store them at the time.

-Brush pen/brushes kind of need at least A4 and preferably A3 though they do give good lines
-Dip pens seem to be a good variant but a pain in the ass to use and you still need a lot of space for setup, unless you are willing to spill the ink everywhere.
-Fineliners and similar give pretty much uniform lines.

-Ballpoint pens are good in theory, but they suck if you want to work over a pencil sketch.

>>4097390
fountain pen

>>4097390
Why would brush pens require A3? There are even size variations of them.

I drew this in under an hour and a half. Guy I referenced is Ross from Accursed Farms, and I know it's not the prettiest piece of art but I wanna know where I fucked up.

>>4097432
>I wanna know where I fucked up.
not reading the sticky

>>4097432
>>4095829
DUDE

READ THE STICKY THREAD HOW MANY TIMES DO WE HAVE TO TELL YOU.

READ KEYS TO DRAWING.

READ THE BOOKS LOOMIS AUTHORED

READ HOGARTH

>>4097227
kek

>>4097455
his hand looks like cock n balls

>>4097384
Too mushy. Stick close to the construction of a hand, but the shading is looking alright.

>>4097000
Even as far as cartoons go, the style still maintains the fundamentals.
Look at the monsters hands, they are blobs that resemble knuckles instead of actually being knuckles.
The small dude is mixing too many styles, like rubber n hose and mid 2000s flash animation ms paint face.

How do i make it

>>4097458
why do you always think about penis

>>4097466
im not thinking about cock and balls, the drawing reminds me of cock n balls. Its different.

>>4097474
>>4097466
Funny enough, my gf said the fag tuff I added near his waistband was quite phallic

>>4095837
>seeing the head as a set of forms

Wait is that bad?

>>4095694
I need to know if there's anything I should change about the sketches before I move on to the line art.

getting through drawing on the right side and keys to drawing at the same time, I dont know what to do about portraits though

>>4097384
details are way easier to draw when you have more space, just draw bigger

>>4096639
next one

>>4097577
file

>>4096555
yes but the guy on the top right corner should be there, I think it would be a nice spot for resting the eye, low on details...

>>4097464
Drawing what you like anon, simple as.

>>4097577
file

>>4097568
honestly, the arms on the dog and ..bear (??) look a bit short. Besides that, looks good. blog?

>>4097572
topleft isd really good

>>4097610
Dude you are going to be disappointed
https://twitter.com/ClidetheRobot

>>4097610
Also when you say dog which one do you mean?

>>4096875
Love it when we work as a team.

>>4097644
one all the way to the left
>>4097628
not that bad, i think if your art had more of a theme than just a hodgepodge of shit, you'd get a bigger following. Keep it up

Can I get a critique on this? I’ve been staring at this so long today that even flipping the picture horizontally isn’t doing anything for my puddingbrain.

>>4097432
Pray to the holy loomis bible every day

>>4097459
Yeah, I actually 'ever spent more than 2 mn studying... I have to stop skipping and lookup some tutorials and spend a few weeks learning basic construction

>>4097572
Good idea. I like to fill pages and I never draw big. Even my tablet is only 10"

Making skin look good is hard. Now I will try learning the whole value/saturation thing that everyone talks about.

>>4097568
You should change your workflow instead.

This is not a sketch, you should probably draw a rougher/quicker one (as you probably have before getting to this stage) and just lineart it for good instead of going through this semi-finished stage.

>tfw apply the loomis method to yourself to determine if your hairline is receding

>>4097664
fingers are a little stumpy

>>4097711
Sounds pretty good, I'll give it a try

>>4096464
Hey man I'll try anything once, thanks for the feedback.

>>4096508
Tried to really pay attention and directly compare the differences to traditional and I'm definately doing 2.
Think it's due to having to resort to a writers/ tripod grip and trying to get control back through pure pressure alone.
Tried to relax a little during these and it was definately more manageble (bit hard to tell from just one session) but I lost some control as a result, guess I just have to get used to it and build different muscle memory.
Thanks for the tips.

>>4096939
Better than being too afraid to try friendo.

>>4097224
Think you could improve significantly by getting into forms and foreshortening.

>>4095694
what does the only copies jpegs sight size one mean? Is it just sketching outlines?

>>4097699
I'm a /beg/, but I can tell that if you're using very strong black ines, having soft shading will look awful. It looks like you need to pick one or the other.
Also you need to understand when and where detail is needed. There is so much shit in the hair that adds nothing, then the skin is just bland.

>>4097720
Oh shit, hello me. What were your findings?

>>4097762
thanks mate, people who can actually give criticism instead of just saying "it's crap lol" are hard to come by.

>>4097425
You can't draw a circle. Go back to the basics.

>>4097759
yes, it means absentmindedly copying contours instead of trying to understand object in 3D and project it on paper

>>4097155
Do both. You don't need to only do the fundamentals THEN people. If you warm up with the fundamentals, then move over to some people. Do this every day and you'll see the difference quickly.
>>4097770
Ah, so it isn't saying reference drawing is bad. It is saying people who do these bad habits are ngmis?

>>4095694
I dont know how to do the transparent part, gonna go for it later.

Anyway crit?

>>4097772
I mean the wings

>>4097772
to do transparent thing it should show its body through wings, a bit lighter color on them

Not beg but did this for value practice..
Quick question..if you have reached the point were you can fap to your own art...does that mean I'm in the Kim Gi club?

>>4097792
I would call the anatomy and proportions here pretty /beg/
Don't get too ahead of yourself

>>4097763
were fuked bro

Been working on this thing for a month already and it's still far from done.
I was expecting at most it would take me two weeks, at most

>>4097814
Kek, Take away that we. I found that I have a perfect loomis hairline.
Cool sketch of your face, though, and my condolences about your hairline.

>>4097772
I shit, meandraco!

When the fuck are you going to finish the next build?

>>4097792
Anon, I don't know how to tell you but...

>>4097792
LOL

>>4097800
>>4097830
Instead of just saying these...show where the mistakes are! no one will learn with just statements..make redlines..show..not just say!

>>4097861
No man, you'll meet a thousand shit artists in your career.
Nobody is obligated to provide redlines. You might show them how to solve one problem by taking your advice. The next time they produce an artwork they'll have new issues and you won't be there to specifically correct them.

>>4097871
then what is the point of this thread?! why are you posting here?

What are some bench mark points for an aspiring drawer? Also, how do *you* find motivation to draw when you are dry on ideas. Asking for a friend.

>>4097882
I often watch cartoons, I see a cute character and I decide to draw it

How about this version? anyone here like to actallly be helpful?

Any critique/ tips/ soul crushing insults welcome

>>4097909

1. I don't know what it is
2. Don't draw with crayon

>>4097902
Learn your skeletal structure. The right arm being raised shouldn't also pull up the breast in that way.

>>4097909
interesting image..but cant see what it is, still good to me though

>>4097915
actually it does pull up the breast/pectoral..look at photo refs.

>>4097921
Not like the way you did it man. You probably can't spot the error until you review and study the area yourself.

>>4097927

>>4097902
LOL

>>4097929
thank you for the illuminating feedback there

>>4097927
how about now?

>>4097928
Don't post here if you don't want critiques man. If you disagree, state your thoughts and ask questions. Don't just outright say I'm wrong. People are clearly seeing errors in your work. There's no such thing as jealousy here, we'll praise your work if we think its good.

>>4097937
thats just it though..no one other than the guy pointing out the arm and breast issue is pointing out specific issues.
There is no point in just saying 'the anatomy is wrong' etc, you have to say where and why it is wrong.

>>4097939
also I used this image for some reference on the sketches.

>>4095694
My first drawing since I started a few days ago.

>>4097909
I don't get it

>>4097816
I don't know your level and how many hours you draw every day but I'm pretty sure you shouldn't stay on the same project for such a long time, especially at the beginning.

>>4097523
Interesting reference

Any pointers?

>>4097861
I told you exactly what was wrong. I have zero obligation to give any drawing a redline

>>4097902
Definitely ngmi with your passive aggressive attitude


>>4097936
Why are you posting drawings from the top of the knee up, if you're as non /beg/ as you claim to be, it should be no issue.
Breasts are off, arms do not match, learn to use ref images properly.

>>4097902
no s-shape for the collarbone
right arm a lot skinnier compared to the left
no leg muscles
missing iliac crest
missing obliques muscles
bad hand
bad proportions

probably more that im missing

>>4095876
Would you tell me what I should be doing to gain something? I’m just satisfying a few anons’ vague pointers of “drawing from real life, not photo studies and waifus”.

>>4095916
Same face? I could believe that. Same pose? I’d like to try to make the claim that that’s arguably false.
Regardless, it’s the same character. I don’t think I have a lot to gain from drawing other throwaway anime blobs. Unless you mean to suggest that I should do more studies on real people’s faces, in which case I’m not quite sure about focusing on that when I think structural and perspective problems are the worse issue right now.

>>4096549
Thanks, I’ll try. I drew on a smaller scale to fit more objects on one page but saving the paper wasn’t that worth it, it seems. Might have to learn to partially draw out of the shoulder too since since I noticed I’m ill equipped to do long straight lines with just the wrist which wasn’t that much of a problem in just figure drawing up until now.

>>4097952
None of those anons you're replying to but this is a massive improvement anon, especially in the face.

>>4097936
I have no idea if this helps, but I did a drawover.

The main thing is that we can see her lats and the side of her ribs, so therefore we must be seeing her ribs from a relatively 3/4 angle. If so, the further breast must be smaller than the close breast, if the breasts are to sit on the chest correctly. Notice how the pec still pulls up into the humerus.

Don't mind the proportional differences. I'm not used to drawing muscular women like that. The main problem was with how the breast laid onto the chest. The same principle works with big monstrous breasts too like the ones you were trying to draw. Be careful of drawing the breasts too roundly, in the reference picture here: >>4097940, the breasts are hanging off the chest due to the lean forward. The breasts are supposed to be like water balloons, compressing from gravity.

>>4095856
His fucking spine holy shit

>>4097948
The image is of someone bathing in a lake, so partially submerged.
Also there is no intention on my part to seem aggressive, so apologies if it came off that way.
Speaking of reference images....how do you use them properly?

>>4097875
Just fuck off, you'll never be good

>>4097956
now this is more like it...thank you. I'll update soon.

the more someone writes the less likely will they make it

>>4097964
Even though the subject is partially submerged, you need to plan out all the body's dimensions to make sure the proportions are correct. You are at a level where you need to be practicing the entire body, not just a portion of it

You need a lot more practice drawing from life before you can properly use references.

>>4097956
not happy yet..but are the changes a bit better

>>4097993
yup, you're heading in the right direction.

>>4097986
the hand is off I'll admit..it is meant to be foreshortened, which isnt a strong point of mine. But the subject is 7.5 heads if you added the lower legs (I used designdoll as a reference for the image as well.)

>>4097913
It's actually just colouring pencils. I hate how little colour they actually add to the picture so I just went over it like a dozen times.
>>4097918
>>4097945
It's a wooden head in the ocean. The holes are the eyes.
The picture is a few months old. I've been having a huge NGMI phase ever since.

>>4097994
heres a redline of what I was trying to acheive with this.

>>4098011
If you like colored pencils, try the prismacolor brand. They'll lay down patches of color smoothly.

>>4098002
It is all off. Just look at the breasts, can you wholeheartedly declare that they look good and or realistic? If so, then more power to you.

>>4098012
There's absolutely no point in redlining your own drawing.

You've got a steep hill ahead of you

>>4098020
>There's absolutely no point in redlining your own drawing.
wrong. drawing more construction lines can help you figure out what you're doing with a piece

need a subject matter for my art project.

listing keith haring and jean micheal basquiat as inspo

any advice on what i could choose

>>4098020
I'm not aiming for realism. This is based more on comicbook proportions. Making a hard realistic anatomy was never my goal.

>>4096639
Refine your brush strokes, using smaller brushes. It's that simple. You probably need to start working on a larger canvas.

>>4097947
You can move to /alt/, at least with landscapes.

The only thing I can notice is the lack of texture on the door to the house. No implication that it is made out of planks.

This is really good.

>>4098028
It would be a very shitty comic if it would use the likes of proportions you have in this image.

>>4097588
something from imagination ,
not going to finish it

>>4097816
I'd guess you are over thinking it
Try to focus on one stage of construction at a time, such as where the major segments of the body are, and the position of the legs
Start with just circles and lines and only add detail once you get the proportions right
Think of it as adding layers

>>4098028
fuck you

>>4098012
This is too advanced for you. You're fumbling around with anatomy, without a real understanding of form.

(And using exaggerated porn as a reference)(Don't do that)

Breasts don't work like that
Thighs don't look like that
Hips don't look like that
Shoulders don't look or work like that
The pose is unrealistic and awkward
The face is a complete cop out
You're drawing what you think is there
Elbows don't work like that
You don't understand how the torso is built, and the transition from the pelvis to the rib cage, and just throwing lines in hoping it works
You have no real skill at proportions
You would not see her belly at that angle, in that position

Go back and start from the beginning. Learn how the basic forms of the body work, before attempting to exaggerate them. You have a lot of work to do, before attempting something like this. Or, you can keep fumbling around in the dark, getting frustrated and getting nowhere.

>>4098028
LOL

>>4098025
Only if you understand what the proper construction should be. The anon who's doing that? Doesn't. It's making more mistakes on top of mistakes. Redlining in this context would be someone who knows how the form should be doing it.

>>4097588
next from imagination
not going to finish

>>4098028
But you're not even doing that. You can't skip the whole part about learning how basic anatomical structures work, before stylizing them in a cartoon. And, because it's so awkward and poorly constructed, it's not even a pleasing image.
This is what critique is - telling you what you need to work on. If all you're gonna do is respond to everyone with "No u, it's fine" - then why bother posting at all? Draw what you want. But if you want to LEARN - listen.

>>4098048
Damn, if someone had told me this when I started out, I would've given up on art altogether.

>>4097945
I mean I already started over once, from this to that one.
Should I do it again?

>>4098060
For you, all you need to do is to just draw 100 figures a day, for the next month. Do each of them at 2 min, so you have time to place proper volumes in perspective. You're lacking knowledge in drawing completely, and this is the kindest thing I can tell you right now.

Quickposes.com

>>4098025
Construction lines =/= redlining a finished piece

>>4098058
Without the right attitude, you'll just give up again.
Reevaluate why you want to draw.

>>4097955
What? Is this another fluke?

>>4098063
Hmm?
What do you mean "place proper volumes in perspective" exactly
I would like an example if it isn't much trouble

>>4098064
That anon's redlines were literally just construction lines on his own drawing. Explain to me why analyzing your own drawing after the fact is bad idea

>>4098069
Just try to actually draw is what i mean

>>4098058
Yeah, telling people to apply themselves is a good way to weed out the flakes.

>>4098076
Woman’s torso floating away from her trunk like some goddamn ghost.

>>4098071
Analyzing construction when you don't understand it is pointless.

>>4098080
fuck, i see it now

>>4098058
heh...it wont dissuade me, that is why I'm here afterall.
He should be careful about claiming 'its not a pleasing image' though, with the faults it may have in proportion etc, its still a matter of opinion if something is appealing to someone or not.

What do you think of this?

>>4098087
LOL

>>4098087
How about saying that directly to me, then? Oh, wait, then you'd have to address what I actually said.
And, "be careful", like what exactly is going to happen?

>>4098087
That's true to an extent, but some pieces are appealing to a greater amount of people. Try to aim for that. I've heard professional artists say that 90% of a drawing's success is from the appeal, and the other 10% is from fundamentals.

>>4097759
sight size is a drawing method of copying that don't use construction
many traditional art school still teach this
quite nice for beginner and some of the finest trad artist learned from it
but since it didn't use construction, some(through inexperience or mindless practice) will find it hard to draw from imagination
also size sight from picture instead of from real life is heavy frown upon
hence jpeg sight size

trying to figure out construction I hope you can see that below
I tried Michael Hampton's book but I need something simpler to start with
I'm really struggling :(

>>4098144
gesture first,
after, when doing later lines if it looks wrong youve drawn the construction wrong. like the pelvis here and head

>>4098058
So stop. You shouldn't be posting here if you don't want to get better. Anon could have said 'yeah, that's pretty good for a beginner', but he'd be lying, and you'd only go down the path of being shit.
Either decide you want to get good, or just stop.

>>4098141
Oh right. For a second I thought I was doing that, but I know i've been using construction for everything, so that's nice to know.

>>4098088
Needs hair

>>4098144
Figure Drawing is like diving into the deep end. Michael Hampton is as simple as it goes. Figures are just that hard to begin with. But the more you bang your head against it the less painful it gets.

>>4098161
Wow this one message gives me such inspiration to keep trying.
Thanks for it

>the more I browse this board, the less I want to draw
How do I get out of this mentality?

>>4098168
Stop browsing this board?

>>4098168
I feel the same, but I know that not browsing will make me delusional about my art

>>4098169
You're right, I have a relative who's an actual artist, why would I come crawling over here for advice?

>>4098171
To have fun while sharing your work in a painless way

>>4098171
Because he shits on your art even more ?

>>4098168
Stop for a day then start again with an objective and only 1 thing you want to draw

>>4097952
>I’m just satisfying a few anons’ vague pointers of “drawing from real life, not photo studies and waifus”
They meant drawing people from life you fucking imbecile, why would you study drawing a packet of soap when you're trying to improve on drawing humans?
You seem to be focusing on some godawful anime style so you're hopeless anyway, besides not wanting to read the fucking sticky

>>4097940
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

Update on that thing I did. Currently reworking the buff kid's body but I like this version of it too.

>>4098263
dude this sucks please read the sticky

Haven't done a copy in a while, and the original one was really nice to me, I didn't keep it in the same worm's eye perspective unfortunately

>>4098263
fuck you

>>4098269
How specifically? To be honest I can't read the sticky if I don't know what I'm doing wrong exactly. Are the gestures off? Is anything too flat? I've been told the buff kid's flat and I'm reworking his body entirely as I mentioned.

>I can't read the sticky if I don't know what I'm doing wrong exactly
this is a fucking new precedent lmfao

>>4098278
>I can't read the sticky if
You need to get your head out of your own ass and begin looking at it with a beginner's mindset

>>4098279
I mean obviously I can read and learn from it, but as of now what is off specifically with my work? I don't know if my form or anatomy etc needs work in particular. Am I symbol drawing at all? How is the buff kid flat?

>>4098287
All of your questions can be answered in the sticky and the books and resources mentioned within.
The thing is people like you want shortcuts, you don't want to learn for yourselves and grow as an artist. You want to be spoonfed by other who HAVE gone through it all. What makes you better than them?
Guidance is one thing, but blatantly saying you can't read something because you don't know what you're doing wrong is fucking ridiculous.
Your goblin's arms look particularly flat, there are no overlapping lines suggesting depth of perspective or 3 Dimensional shapes, it has the properties of a literal flat piece of paper with everything on the same plane, like his ear.

Read the fucking sticky and you'd know this and much more.

How do you draw landscapes in pencil?
This is quite literally my first time drawing landscapes. I wasn't aware how awful they are and how bad drawing them would be. Especially with out colors it looks like scribbles. I tried to shade them to add depth. Each picture was times 5 minutes.

>>4098287

1) fuck you
2) you're dogshit
3) read the sticky repeating 2) in your head

>>4098306
This.

>>4097792
>>4098263
Are these the same person? Or are there just a lot more kids online this week?

>>4098287
Post some of your anatomy studies.

>>4098291
I Honestly had no idea I was being THAT pushy with asking for critiques. Thanks for pointing all this out, actually. I definitely don't mean to come off as better than anyone else, I just thought I'd as for criticism but I'm also willing to acknowledge the egg on my face. I'm probably just paranoid about my art being not good enough, but you're right I shouldn't latch myself to /ic/ for help. Thanks for your brutal honesty, I really don't want to be a shitlord here and wish I knew I was being one earlier.

Also >>4098315 I can say without a doubt that >>4097792 isn't me. At least I learned not to beg for critiques eventually lol.

>>4098355
Anon a cute. Post work.

>>4098357
This thing's from a few months back and it's not really that great to be honest lol, I really should get back into practicing anatomy as a side note.

>>4098358
Actually kind of cool despite the /beg/.

>>4098359
Yeah thinking of it now, I definitely feel like I'm still in the stage of having good ideas but shit ways of executing. Even tho my current stuff is much better than this execution wise I certainly have a ways to go. I aspire to be what I call an Ideas Man that can execute.
I'm obviously not there yet lmao

>>4098355
hey man good attitude, and good luck

all my friends know how to draw on at least an amateur level except me
I can't draw for shit, my caligraphy is bad and I feel like a toddler, I have really shit motor coordination skills and probably ADHD but I'm willing to make it
should I just start by trying to draw circles and lines until I can make them in a decent shape without sucking?

>>4095694
muh style

>>4098369
No. That's like asking "Can i run up a flight of stairs by practicing the first step over and over? No. Run up several flight of stairs to get good!"

>>4098369
I can draw better than all of my friends but also I am beg tier dogshit nigger

>>4098263
I really hate this, just delete it and move on

I understand now why I should draw bigger, faces are hard when the figure is small

How do I learn to draw concept art? I want to draw my ideas for settings but I'm so bad it hurts.

Feeling more confident with this, the hand is fucking me up tho personally

>>4098454
Concept art is just plain drawing. You're mishmashing ideas.

>>4098455
where's the elbow

>>4098484
At some point I figure I'd just do the bicep and merge the end with the wrist, but yeah it looks way too silly here in hindsight.

>>4098455
Oh my fucking god all of this retarded discussion and you learned nothing

>>4098506
Well I'm using shapes more I feel. I'm getting a better idea of foundation.

>>4098520
> I'm getting a better idea of foundation.
lmoa. you're just a clown.

it's been a while since I've posted, hasn't it? I've been trying to branch out while I've been away

>>4098404
needs more line confidence. try to draw with as few lines possible without losing the idea of what you're drawing.

>>4098285
symbol drawn. draw more from life

>>4097947
very nice

>>4097733
keep it up anon

>>4096870
construct harder

>>4096287
interesting brushwork. hope to see more from you

>>4098524
Hey at least I'm trying

>>4098533
stop trying.
do >>4081411. I want to see how good your poses are.

>>4098552
Neat idea, actually. I'll try it out in the morning.

>>4095694
not a total beginner in a sense but I'm finally buckling down and looking to improve.

>>4098530
I agree on line confidence, I have the most trouble using too many lines especially on clothed figures, I'm completely consciously aware but haven't taken the time to work on it.

>>4096827
Holy shit I just realized this is Twist and Shout in Denver

>>4098455
please anon, don't redo it - delete every trace and hunt down every member of this thread who has witnessed this abomination

>>4098301
This is already good, I would say maybe try working in some more elaborate crosshatching to show depth better? Might take longer than 5 minutes

>>4098590
I get it it's shit lol

>>4098595
https://mega.nz/#!nzpVgIrC!Dkk9T9-4LEO7XvRFr-lh6-XOnWXOVcrzbUcPgbt5U3g

Here you go

Guys, im startying to take my draws more seriously and now im in need of tips, books and video classes on portraits and its fundamentals. Im more interested in russian 19c classical portraits, so if some of you guys could help me with a torrent or mega link...

Found an old pic of mine (right side) and have begun re-imagining it (left side). She's a deku person I think.

top left is literally mine still do a couple of those

>>4098263
>>4098455
Alright, I spent the last 57 minutes doing this for you. I am not an expert, I'm a beg like everybody else here, but mother of god, PLEASE STOP. If you want to draw cartoon shit, PLEASE WATCH A CARTOON AND DO WHAT THEY DO. If you want to design characters, EXAMINE CHARACTER DESIGNS AND DO WHAT THEY DO. The stuff you draw is fucking disgusting, ugly and horrible and would fit right in with some of the worst cartoons ever made like, "My Gym Partner's a Monkey" or "Mega Babies" or "The Problem Solverz" and that's a BAD THING.
I don't know what else I can say that I don't say in the picture. For the love of god STOP CHICKEN SCRATCHING.

https://drawabox.com/lesson/1/1

Read this and do exactly as it says BY THE WAY, this is a resource IN THE FUCKING STICKY, one of the FIRST THAT IS RECOMMENDED. GOD DAMMIT.

>>4098651
>the worst cartoons ever made like, "My Gym Partner's a Monkey"
not him but that show was not bad dude lol, admittedly it wasn't that great though.

>>4098651
>Problem Solverz

>>4098180
What in the actual fuck?

Like I have the opportunity to do that. I can’t exactly get a model, and I doubt anyone but you expects begs to have access to one.
Taking pictures of random strangers in public would just be photo studies again, which they also didn’t seem happy with, which that one anon also went ballistic about. They keep going on about “just drawing from real life to further my understanding of shape”.

What am I supposed to gain from reading the sticky again? It’s just explanations of basic form, shading and line quality I have already seen and the anti symbol drawing exercise. You think reading it will magically get me further? That’s the problem?

>>4098651
This right here is proof /ic/ is the easiest board to troll. Also, my art >>4097432 is better than all you fake artists. Cringe.

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>>4098733
>>4098733
>>4098733

>>4098769
Gotta admit if this is a troll you put in a lot of effort into making that look shitty

>>4098556
I'm here to collect ...

>>4098683
Maybe if you tried to arrange for a model instead of just lashing out like an angry child, you could get more done? Access to models is not that hard, especially in the west. Most colleges and community colleges and adult education programs have easy to access and relatively inexpensive figure drawing classes. There are local coops and groups who hire models and hold drawing sessions, sharing the model fee. You can hire a model from the same modeling guilds and agencies the schools use. You can advertise on Craigslist.
But I know you'll just complain and rant and be angry on the internet, because it's not really about that, is it.