/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Begone fatposter

>>4082395
Ok, this one is really fucking great

”thicc” is a problem

>>4080562

>>4082395
back to /d/ with you fatspammer

Alright so i just started drawing this week and have been grinding out stills and whatnot.

Just drew this guy from imagination but his face looks kinda off compared to the ones i drew by copying. I can't tell what i've messed up though.

Help.

Which pose works best?

>>4083159
Bottom

>>4082395
Girls making boys fat is the largest growing movement

>>4082395

Me and some other girls are thinking of making or bfs fat.
How?

>>4082395
Owo

I'm not sure what I'm doing...

>>4083174
I didn't even know it was Ed and Winry at 1st, what a travesty

>>4083655
Forgot to flip n resize

>>4083660
you also forgot to post in the correct thread >>4080562

Can I improve by just drawing what I like/want mindlessly? I feel like I can't just be like "I'll draw THIS" as when I'm making something's lines the lines make something in my head spark and I just mindlessly draw it.

>>4083687
(I'll provide a picture, I'm just not home rn)

Why are /pol/tards always triggered by girls into fat guys.

>>4083758
They’re obsessed and they’ll make up reasons and different silly bs stories depending on the situation

>>4083655
>>4083660
Good stuff

You know what you’re doing.
Never say you “don’t know”
Say at least “I’ll figure it out” or “I could use help” or anything else

>>4083168
thats a boy? i thought it was a strapon...

>>4083159
none, but 2

>>4083758
>>4083758


>50AF71FC-8BD3-4362-8B8B-5307952662BD.jpg
>673E2F1E-21B1-4DEF-8955-0288D7335851.png

Stop samefagging and spamming this board

>>4083850
That’s the file name for all phone posters newfag

Are those the lines of a twofingered twerp?

>>4084072
Cool

I could really use some input on the pose and the piece composition in general.

>>4084646
The composition is fine by me, It has a classic look, postcard-y. The different layers of the background and their subsequent values pull away from the character good.

The character however I want to focus on... Generally because this is art, all that really matters is that something looks good, and either you capture the subtle essence of a lifeless or stiff pose, or you start jacking around parts to animate the picture against its will.

First you want to avoid super straight legs, or rather just things that look like tubes or sticks. It's good practice to incorporate a little bend at every joint if this pose isn't justified by some kind of justifying context.

Also, standing and grounded doesn't really scream "space" to me. So I added a horseshitty big titty embellishment version you can ignore, and then also a tacticool action variant of your pose to show what kind of force you have to exert against a flat perspective to make it look actiony.

The key with flat perspectives is to really crank at as many masses of the body as possible so you forget that it's actually just a flat perspective you're looking at. There's times to be flat and boring but generally not when holding a gun.

>>4084695
Wow I see thank you so much, that makes alot of sense when you put it like that. I really like the bug titty embellishment and will work to make my poses more interesting as such. Thank you.

>>4085122
glad it helped. Took me years before my stupid dumb head realized art is better when you make it pretty. (hahaha)

Started a few weeks ago after finding some charcoal pencils in my garage.

A fucking ear idk what the fuck i was doing

Dunno where to post lol
This is my book through with Hampton, nearly to going anatomy.

>>4083758
If you drew this, then you shouldnt be posting in the beg thread.

>>4086743
That's Ham, and it's not him.

>>4082955
>>4083159
>>4083655
>>4083758
>>4084072
>>4084646
>>4084695
>>4085437 (You)
>>4086069
>>4086078
ngmi lads

I think it's finished, but also think is not, the problem is: I don't know what to do now.

someone told me to fix them values, and I tried, did I do right?

>>4086777
LOL look at those BEGINNERS on this BEGINNER THREAD being on a BEGINNER LEVEL LOL WOW HOW CAN THEY BE SO BAD? THEY'RE BEGINNERS, HOW WEIRD???¿¿

Are you retarded? it's not like you're destroying future competition

>>4086791
Trips don't lie, and you're right. You'll never be future competition.

>>4086825
Pyw

>>4086791
they would've had a chance if they posted in the correct /beg/ thread

critique pls

>>4087408

She looking fat as fuck and I can't figure out why.

Also if anyone wants to shoot me their preferred mannequin I'd appreciate it.

>>4082395
is ok to post my first zbrush sculpt? its not trad or digital so i thought id ask

>>4087551
>She looking fat as fuck and I can't figure out why.

>Probably because you drew her way fatter for some reason

Yeah huh, I'm trying to figure out what didn't click and messing up her body type.

Why the fug do we have two beg threads?

Really rough sketch, but i seriously do not feel capable enough to figure out which one of these looks better, the left arm looks so weird in all of them

>>4087599
Also yes i do know his foot looks like a dick, i'm gonna work on that

>>4087599
Second on feels more dynamic and adds direction. If you push the spread of the legs a lot more it would look very good.

>>4087610
Thanks anon! do you think that positioning for the arm is ok tho? My fear is it looking like it's growing out of his back and not coming from his shoulder

>>4087610
It's coming out of the right place and it's properly foreshortened so it's fine. It also continues to the flow of motion into the other arm so it makes things look more fluid. The 4th one is also good to go with if you're still nervous about how it will translate anatomy-wise, but it doesn't have the same fluidity.

1 and 3 look like the arm is dislocated because they're twisted so far up and back so I would avoid those versions.

Btw what was your method of construction for the pose?

>>4087614
>>4087623
fuck, it's about 3 in the morning here.

>>4087623
I was studying legs and i liked that one, so i built the rest with boxes based on a quick gesture of what i had in mid, but i couldn't figure out the left arm since i didn't really use a ref
Do you think this looks better? i went for another position for the right leg so they're a bit more spread out

>>4087590
this is the fake beg thread bro
it's where the fake begs hang out.

>>4087640
Looks much better, everything flows in one direction and is more dynamic. Makes him feel like he's going much faster.

>>4087444
Elongate her legs and torso slightly and maybe slim down her shoulders a tad bit imo.

what should i work on now? im guessing value, proportions and line work right? this is the kind of picture that looks alright in the thumbnail and the its... eh... so be warned.

>>4088100
Holy shit i thought this might be okay from thr thumb but then i opened it and wtf dude lol

>>4088109
told ya dude (its not... that bad though... right?)

>>4082395
Not sure if I'm doing this correctly, any tips/critique?

>>4088100
Don't worry, this doesn't even come close to the atrocities I made that I thought looked pretty good but then everyone on here started kicking me and spitting in my face.
Good times.

>>4088190
i feel like i made pretty good progress from like 4 days of drawing though! i still need tons of pratice though and i was wondering what i should be focusing on. any thoughts?

>>4088197
If you've only been drawing for 4 days, just do anything other than what you've already been doing and you'll see improvement pretty quickly.

>>4088198
okay dude that honestly doesnt help too much gonna be honest with you.

>>4088201
Tell us what you've been doing these past 4 days and I'll give you an uneducated pointer of where to go to next from one /beg/ nigger to another /beg/ nigger.

>>4088203
ive been reading through keys to drawing and ive been drawing sometimes from pictures sometimes from still life. thats honestly about it. i have no idea what im doing, i just draw and i hope ill just have that 'aha!' moment.

>>4088204
Either continue doing that until you can consistently copy real life or pictures pretty well or start studying anatomy/construction/perspective/gesture etc.
> im guessing value, proportions and line work right?
you should train those with each drawing you make.

>>4088207
woah wait really? i thought you have to, like, master observation until you start studying other shit. thatd be fucking amazing because i hate observation, anatomy and construction looks way cooler. thanks for all the help though dude, really appreciate it! <3

>>4088212
what a mess of a sentence, sorry im super tired.

>>4088212
You'll still have to observe quite a bit.
Artists who don't use references at all are extremely rare.

>>4088214
i was thinking of doing drawabox. whaddya think? does it force to observe at all? i remember checking it and there wasnt too much observation from what i remember.

>>4088217
drawabox is fine if you stick with it, although it can get pretty boring.

>>4088218
as long as i can see that my drawing skills are getting better im sure i can manage. thanks for all the help dude!

>>4088222
No problem, and I'm sure you'll see good results with drawabox.

>>4088185
you're thinking too much about countours, also just grab some quickposes, you'll pay more attention to the movement than doing it from imagination

>>4088266
Thanks, I'll try some quickposes tomorrow.

how to bend text into a halo in photoshop?

>>4088392
that was probably done in 3d app

>>4082395
Sketch layer,
help me make him a gooder boy

>>4089774
Jesus, sorry for not resizing

>>4089779
This is very cute anon!

>>4086789
I think it's pretty much good, you could clean up the top of the helmet and make the forehead a little darker to fit with everything else, but I think you're good for the most part.

value /beg/ from last thread

are these values too close? want to go for a neon cyberpunk kinda vibe

i tried to run it throuhg greyscale filter, but i still cant really tell

>>4089787
Thanks, dude!

Does anything stand out as being wrong? I've been trying to understand the form of the tfl and medius as they transition into the asscheek. There are times when I think the ass should be visible but it doesn't look right, and sometimes I have trouble telling apart the ass from the illiotibial band cause I'm not sure exactly how far the latter protrudes/at what angles it should eclipse the ass.

which looks better?

>>4089932
probably a question better left for /alt/ really cool though!

Still practicing my heads/ portraits.

>>4086777
fag

>>4087614
>My fear is it looking like it's growing out of his back and not coming from his shoulder
That is exactly what it looks like to me, no idea why the other anon thinks it's fine.

>>4087599
>>4090053
This is what I would go for.
But I'm currently drunk so maybe it's complete shit.
You could also try switching up the arms, having the one that is in front atm reach back and the other one coming forward.

How do you get energy doing studies instead of losing energy?

>>4090297
>gain energy
based; i want to do studies at a faster and faster rate until the laws of physics break down.

>>4090297
Stop doing studies all the time

>>4090297
1. Studies are tiring, so of course you're gonna feel drained afterwards. You're studying. It's not as enjoyable as creating.
2. Try to do studies of things you specifically want to learn. Whether that's a style, or some anatomy, or a particular object. That way you'll feel like you specifically gained something by the end of it.
3. Balance studies with creation. Don't do studies until you're burnt out. Balance is key.

>>4082395
How am I doing friendos? I just started Huston's constructive figure drawing after about 2 months of nothing but portraits.

Mostly 2-5 mins each.

inb4 no hands or feet. I know. I haven't got there yet.

Weee, trying to make a dragon person look scary but I can't stop myself from giving women soft faces.

I'm about to go to a local life drawing classes, but I don't want to get there and basically squander the time because I didn't learn some crucial concept before going. Is there anything I need to know before I go, or is just going the most important part?

i'm reading hampton's book these day, but i don't have clear grasp at some of pages. should i draw with photo ref instead?

>>4090452
I'm still waiting for that epic copic marker Iron Man portrait bro

Fucking around with brushes
Man I'm starting to feel the difference between digital and traditional, I feel like I'm much more loose on tablet

trying to understand skull

>>4090654
Hot damn anon, how'd you recognize me? lol Is it the filenames? I still remember y'all tearing me a new asshole over a stupid username.

Anyway, here's your Iron Man portrait anon. Hope you're as happy with it as much as I am.

I'll draw you a full figure one for Christmas, after I got like 3 more months of practice.

Any tips on getting the same "dimensionality" and sense of form visible in the left onto the right (outside of lineweight and using pencil)?

>>4090771
maybe

>>4087408
Not bad. I'm liking your shading, but the neck looks too thin and twisted, and the pectorals look too small compared to the size of the rest of the torso.

Drew this before I went to bed last night, and it turned out well. I can see some immediate areas to improve, but what do you guys think?

Critique my roo

>>4090514
Give her a hard plane where her right cheek bone would be

>>4090910
More defined shapes and a better understanding of foreshortened prorportions will help

>>4090912
shading is too soft and the one in the pouch looks weird and strangely angled

>>4082395
how do you measure in perspective? 2p, 3p?

>>4090938
I'll keep that in mind, thanks!

>>4090954
Thank you

>>4090955
What do you mean, like proportions?

>>4090972
also what is that gun thing from. It looks familiar.

I like the look of this one, tell me how I could have done better

>>4090974
I just drew it from memory, it’s suppose to have a rotary clip but I didn’t do a good job drawing it

>>4090578
Don't have the mindset of needing to draw the figure exactly how it is

>>4090976
Facial proportions are unsettling for me, but it's subjective, it's a nice illustration other than that

>>4090984
Yea he kinda looks like squidward

Finished this the other day - I think I just need the confidence to go in with fine detail without worrying about 'messing up' what I already have

>>4090753
Wow I wish I had the determination to study like that

>>4090986
Hell yeah he does lol, it looks like you placed the eyes where the brow line is, elongating his face, and getting rid of an important plane to make the face less flat, the forehead going back into the cranium

Is it bad, good, or neutral to try remaking art you like? Like take a screenshot from a show you like and redraw a character from it semi 1:1.

>>4091004
In the context of studying*

>>4090753
too much loomis

>>4082395
Why didn't you link the new thread in the old thread?

>>4090753
Not to be an asshole, but this seems a little overkill to me than compared to studying a small section of an anatomy book.

>>4090999
I sorta fixed it

>>4091037
The ears are in the same position though. Here look through this book or just skip to the head section that starts on pg 67 for now I recommend looking through it all https://mega.nz/#!nzpVgIrC!Dkk9T9-4LEO7XvRFr-lh6-XOnWXOVcrzbUcPgbt5U3g

>>4091037
I also recommend just doing a new drawing instead of polishing up this one, it's done you made it already move on to new things

How do I get good at replicating the style of others? What if I want to draw Peter, from Family Guy, shitting into Lois's eye?

>>4091046
Thank ya brother, I appreciate it

>>4090758
I just recognize your inking technique very easily
Grind on son

>>4090973
like i want 5 statues 3 meters apart, from 2 to 3 meters tall, a 20m tall building in the background etc

>>4091009
Because, just in in case you are fucking blind, THIS IS A BAIT THREAD!

Obviously since using the same disgusting OP image that has been reused to troll this board already countless times.

Just you people are TOO FUCKING LAZY to make a proper new thread and report the disgusting fatposter OP to get him banned again.

>>4091100
fug

>>4091085
Shit that's out of my league, I can't help, are you getting into architecture or something?

Is it true what they say, that everyone can learn to draw mediocre but not-too-shabby stuff if they put the hours in it, regardless of having "talent"?

tldr can I learn to draw

>>4086078
right face looks like the cockroach from terraformars

Is it just me or does /beg/ have far more shitposting than usual? And no not constructive crit, just crab posters.

>>4089932
not /beg/
also my dick

>>4091180
Let's not start with the "talent" nonsense unless you have major physical or cognitive disabilities there is no difference. Anybody can learn how to draw. Things might be different in the upper 1% but in my opinion you shouldn't concern yourself in the slightest until you've put in a few years minimum. Things will be hard in the beginning, then they'll feel easy, then hard again. That has been my experience so far. When things get hard don't cop out and blame talent, push through.

>>4085252
Another try from the last thread, this time using a different brush

Got some friends to send in some hands, and I drew them yesterday. :X Working on Loomis basics today, at least to warm up. Any crit in the meantime?

>>4091227
this wont ever take you anywhere just start drawing full images and keep doing new ones bob ross style

>>4091085
>>4090955
Read a book on perspective, they should go into how to measure in perspective.
Ernst Norlings - Perspective made easy definately does.

>>4091214
Bro the line exercises are supposed to be longer

Is it wrong to use a grid if i want to do portraits?

>>4091418
It depends. If you don't care about your integrity as an artist and only give a fuck about recreting a photograph (no live models, no poetic license, no knowledge of creating from imagination, never showing your workflow to people), the no there's nothing wrong with using a grid.

Just don't do it because you're afraif of failing at actually learning how to do it right. Know how it will limit you and then choose.

>>4091420
Drawing in nothing more than a hobby for me and I'm currently big into portrait
I guess it's fine to use it

>>4083159
get the first pose, make her bend her knees a little, make her bend the arms too, and it will look more dynamic, like if she is about to strike
right now it looks like she is using her tiny arms to look at the sword while standing with her legs open

Hampton head attempts
Anyone know why the one on the right looks off?

>>4091467
Because your foreshortening of the jaw is way off.

>>4091478
How so?

>>4091479
Use a head or skull as reference when constructing and you'll notice. You aren't thinking spatially so it's hard to tell you what's wrong.

>>4091482
How am I not thinking spacially?

>>4082395
I'm over half way through 250 boxes and it's not going well. I feel "good" boxes still result of luck. Linework is awful. I don't feel 3D by boxes on paper with no reference to anything. I can't figure out rules for making these boxes without vp and my lines are too inaccurate for imagining vp way off the paper.

I'm feeling awful. I might be a legit ngmi.

>>4091501
Cubes don't have to go to the exact VP to look correct.
All they really need to do is converge, and that's usually enough to sell that it's in perspective.
>for example, a cube doesn't necessarily need to have all the lines diminish perfectly to a point off the page, but you should make sure that they at least converge. if they are diverging off into distance, that's than error in the wrong direction. so make sure you follow simple rules like: lines converge in the distance, or the further unseen side of the ellipse belonging on a cylinder should have a greater degree (closer to looking like a circle) than the one that's closer and visible. you can just pick up some of these shorthands by observation and analysis of the real world, or you can develop them yourself by going through the nitty gritty of linear perspective. the bottom line is: make better illusions with your forms.

>>4091467
https://youtu.be/z4ZLkyTuX_w?t=132
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgK90TpV5fA

If you're incapable of understanding that read a book on perspective and practice putting boxes in prespective.

>>4091503
They don't look acceptable, either. 3 out of 4 lines going in the same direction converging at a similar place, or having 2 separate sets of converging points ex for bottom and top or left and right side. Or weird happenings like 1 away side being bigger than its closer counterpart, while the other pairs are correctly sized.

>>4091486
I have no clue of how Hampton constructs heads, but imagine you're doing it with a ball of clay. Close your eyes, picture a ball of clay, and try to find out what kinds of cuts and additions you'd need to make to it to make it look like the head you want to draw.
Maybe get an actual ball of clay or something moldable to play with.

>>4091508
Post your cubes

benis

>>4090681
J U S T
Maybe it's time I stopped fucking around and do 999 gestures while reading a damn book

>>4091538
I thought Villpu was a meme but his approach to drawing and studying in general is pretty interesting.

Drew my plant and tried out some screentones

>>4091584
Lord Villpu-dono is making Gesture drawings actually pretty fun! what the heck?
Is it the ASMR experience?

https://youtu.be/9Gj47G2e1Jc
Reference is here
I really like this one but I'd like to improve it

Anyone know a good book for facial expressions? Like how the jaw deforms when the mouth is wide open and such.

>>4091913
A kind anon posted this when I asked the same thing
The main thing you're going to need though is a mirror.

Torso study from memory, I still have hard time with proportions.

>>4091933
I also got little excited and wanted to try painting, I never tried painting before.beg painting level I know.

>>4091920
good shit

How did I do, old masters?

>>4091967
>anime-style parody of Fairly Odd Parents

of all things I would never expect this in a million years.

>>4091967
I always find your pieces very unnapealing but the guy on top left looks alright.
Anatomy on the middle dude is complete shit by the way, hopefully you noticed already.

>>4091705
Last one but I tried some without Villpu's video at the same time and holy fucking shit I think I'm finally feeling the form!

How do you connect the chest with the hips? Its so hard for me to visualize it in any concrete way

>>4092021
Try the landmarks section in Hampton's book on anatomy, google easily brings up a pdf.

>>4092031
If i wanted to read a book and not draw I’d be reading the fucking book. I posted here to get a quick answer not get redirected to a pdf, which i already have

This time I tried to make it look the they're actually Slav squatting and tried to give the girl in the foreground some muscles,though I think I fudged up the muscles and her elbow

I tried to lower one off the characters like anon said and slightly changed the silohette girl on the right's feet

I feel like there might be something off with the perspective and I can't tell what

Do I make her cute, or thicc and lewd? Possibly naked.

>>4092039
you dont have to be a bitch about it

>>4092068
Yeah im sorry, but I came here to have a back and forth conversation and i really want to have things click in my head easily and you fucking redirect me to a fucking pdf, whats the point of this thread.

i am very proud of this one. Maybe a bit too much. Please tell me what you think

>>4091920
Incredibly good comic that as far as i know doesn't get any recognition

>>4082955

Just keep drawing, and keep drawing from imagination

Don't become like most of these dummies who spend years relying on external sources and then wonder why they can't draw from the top

>>4092076
We are so fucking sorry that you can't even answer the question which you already know the answer of, and that god forbid reading a book is SO fucking hard.
Truly sorry.

>>4092119
Whatever, thanks for nothing. You missed the point anyway.
>we
Its just you, don’t bring other competent people in it too

>>4092119
dont apologize for everything its a sign of insecurity.

I'm going to make it

>>4090753
NGMI, sorry, this ain't math class

So, the panties are supposed to have a pseudo-argyle look to them. Thing is I’m kinda new to indicating that a pattern is wrapped around a 3D object. Thoughts?
If you’re wondering, argyle is basically diamond-shaped plaid, and the drawing is just a simplification.

>>4092259
post your studies of models wearing argyle underwear brother

>>4092271
Errrr, I don’t have any. I’m kinda just winging it with this one, but I suppose I could give it a try.

>>4092275
>>4092271
Although I will post the contour lines I made for my attempt. In retrospect, Maybe I should’ve made horizontal contour lines as well. The diamonds on the rear view are way too stretched.

>>4091920
there really isn't a bad face on this, pretty phenomenal

Begginer in thread. Should I continue drawning?

someone please just fucking murder me I need to die today.

>>4092461
no, you will be be cursed with LIFE!

Is she cute?

>>4092535
short hair is never cute

>>4086777
fuck off crab
snip somewhere else

Could anybody suggest a book or resource with heads from multiple angles?

I'm having a hard time visualizing the opposite side brow and cheek area and how much they protrude (without reference), so I'd like to study a bunch of heads to help build some sort of understanding.

Thanks bros.

>>4091538
Youve got lots of talent, add me on discord ill help you tomorrow

>>4082395
God dammit I just fapped

Whats a good book for clothing ref? Id also like to know what could i improve in pic related, completely made up subject, didnt use any ref.

>>4092816
Hogarth would be proud

Some hands with no timer. I'm pretty happy with how these look since I always avoid drawing hands/feet in my figure drawings. Maybe I just need to zoom in and take my time.

>>4092535
Very cute. Great bod. Great hair.
However, nose, eye, and mouth positions are completely FARKd

Everything is connected together on the face. Nose to brow to eyes, philtrum to mouth.

I PRESCRIBE YOU STUDYING
R E A L
HUMAN FACES

How the fuck do I into gestures? i've been reading hampton, and when ever I try it just looks like a bunch of lines under a circle and nothing line a human.
do I just grind this video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNNSwITdPIM

Whats messing this picture up? I don't think the eyes can decide to look at fast enough without the light behind his neck, but i may be wrong.

>>4093225
The belly is too big
The neck is too short
The feet are odd looking to say the least
One of the arms look like it’s coming out of shadow lugias neck

Just what I noticed off the bat

>>4093236
My bad not too short too bent the head is a little short though

>>4092537
Are you retarded

>>4093127
Exceptionally cute for a real face. I must find a way.

Started trying out more painty stuff and I have no idea what I'm doing

i can construct stuff but fail really hard when copying shapes, send help

>>4091014
i tried loomis and hampton and they recommended to learn skull, but construction from how2draw is only thing i learned

Tried to do something on paint 3d

Improvised sunset - I keep having to fight the urge to put more paint on the canvas - I think this could have been quite effective if I'd been more restrained

Zoomer trying art give your critiques

I want to know if everything looks okay before I move on to the next steps. Was trying to make a 1950's style pin up but with a fish monster guy. Please don't be too harsh I spent 3 days on this triple checking anatomy

>>4093421
Why fish and not orca?

>>4093138

>>4093429
Based off a Namor cosplayer

>>4093138

>>4093421
Whoops resize

>>4093437
Thanks niggie, I'll try it out tommorow morning, Im pretty sleepy.

>>4082397

>>4093362

When will the list for this year's inktober be revealed?

>>4092051
I feel like making the closer person (person 1) smaller kind of made the composition worse as well as not being perspectively accurate, it makes things feel uncomfortably far apart on the canvas, and visually boring. Here's my take on it. I used the big medium small principle roughly to try and fix the composition.

The person on the right(person 2) should have his arms resting on his knees, you'll see that in images of slavs squating.

I also used that same height multiplication technique from last time for the heads specifically.

Honestly it's a pretty difficult scene to pull off, it would require some more perspective knowledge, good feel for the mannequin and to study some slavs, but I think this scene would be easier to set up in 3D because of the dynamic perspective.

Hope any of that was helpful.

Well I can kinda draw faces like as109 not really sure if that's a good thing.

>>4090753
are you retarded?

what do you want to accomplish?

>>4093906
yes

i want to study skull so i can draw portraits both from ref and imagination. hampton and loomis methods didn't work for me, i don't understand how to place all this stuff, it feels so arbitrary

>>4093939
honestly just draw a lot of people from a variety of angles...

>>4093939
Just like >>4093943 said. Draw from life. Like, a lot. But don't just "draw what you see". Build the constructions based on what you're seeing. It helps a lot.

As for which construction to use... here's my /beg/ opinion.

- Loomis is a bit too loose
- Vilppu is a fucking boss but I feel like a lot of the construction is actually happening in his head and he's failing to translate it for us mere mortals
- Hampton is a bit too over the top and I'm never gonna construct all that shit for a throwaway panel
- Huston is my favorite because it's a nice middle ground (but I still use Loomis' "side cut")

Go learn like 3 or 4 construction systems, then find what you like and what you don't like from each, then mix and match.

But keep drawing from life for now. It'll help you with the positioning a lot.

>>4092051
Holy shit you're still going with this? It's been like a week of nothing but construction.

Fucking do something, dude. At this rate you're not gonna get this done before 2020.

>>4093943
>>4093959
i'm not sure that stuff like this will help me
do you have examples of artists who started with it and created something decent? i want to see how they were progressing

Hi

Has anyone seen any head construction based around a cylinder, its a bit of a pain to google search as Cylinder+head+______ etc tends to get flooded with engine parts.

I think I found that i can draw heads easily with it, but I'm not sure if I'm just fooling myself as its something I adapted for myself.

>mfw my beg tier porn is detected as porn with probability above 85%
what do I think of this?

I just cant get into this whole shading thing with a pencil. My values are bad as is, but i get better results with hatching. Should i just drop it and go back to hatching?

>>4094148
Are you using a hard pencil? 2B or 4B are much easier to use for shading.

>>4094022
before you do your version on the right, trace over the reference with the method your using (looks a bit like reilly)

hide the traced layer and do your version knowing the stuff you just did, then compare yours to the one you traced over.
do a layer of notes/adjustments so you know where you fucked up and how to fix it, then hide and try again.

>>4094022
You're symbol drawing.

>>4093964
If I were to follow that advice,wouldn't that just result in dozens of unfinished wips and never actually completing anything because I didn't draw something fast enough?

>>4094168
i don't understand neither of these methods of constructing a head. it's hampton btw. that's why i was trying to study a skull. i hoped that i will come up with something that will click inside me. just look at this, even traced it's utter garbage.

>>4094201
You may have a bad case of the 'tism

>>4094196
You're clearly not good enough to achieve what you wanted in the first place. Just fucking finish your drawing. It ends up looking like shit? Big deal, just try again when you have more knowledge and experience.
You shouldn't rely on flukes, and shouldn't get attached to your scribbles as a begginner.

>>4094205
thanks for the helpful post, frend

>>4094022
>>4094201
Learn to measure. Only then you should go into construction. Oh, and don't draw fat men.

>>4094251
thank you anon.
here are my measuring attempt, am i doing it right?
>>4093362
>>4093470

>>4094022
Seems to me like you're struggling with things that essentially every construction method relies on.
- You have a problem judging basic distances and angles.
- You don't seem to actually understand forms.
- you're struggling with basic circles and ellipses

Construction is too early for you.
Have a look at
https://youtu.be/9BqD38TQGjo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4Kb7ycp7OY

>>4094252
Not that anon but they're fine.
Just stop being so anal about it and stop gridding.
Take a look at ctrl+paints measuring vids, just don't take the second one as an excuse to go all anal again like in >>4090753
https://youtu.be/W5M6aP1SFdQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM2F9ayjEeU

>>4094277
thanks, i had seen ctrlpaint vids and tried to apply them but no luck, i don't understand how to do second type of measure without grids and only angles i can measure are 30 45 60

what do you mean under form? i'm pretty confident with perspective, how2anal constructions and freehand boxes

>>4094288
Dude just be an architect.
I did this autismo perspective shit before, it was pretty fun to do and I learned a lot. But listen to the other anons and just learn how to meassure properly.

>>4094311
yeah i`m trying to learn, i'm trying

Some imagination stuff, some referenced stuff, all done last night because I almost didn't draw :(

>>4094252
No, your measurements are pretty off even when drawing with a fucking grid. Just keep grinding it until it clicks.

Do I do 250 boxes or practice loomis, not sure where to start.

>>4091513
>>4091506
Are these any better (at least the left one, Hampton barely goes over the bottom view of heads)

>>4094386
The cubes you're using are off. The head on the left doesn't look that bad because it's not following the cube, but the one on the right is horrid.

>>4094340
Dont trace.

>>4094427
Tracing helps a lot when studying

>>4094368
learning to draw isn't a straightforward process. Why not do both? Then after a year, do them again etc.

>>4094386
pretty much this >>4094398
Cubes are too distorted warped, make the lines that go in the same direction actually parallel.
Also the facial features in the first one all somewhat follow the same perspective while on the right they're doing their own thing again.

>>4094407
Anatomy doesn’t really matter if you can’t create a decent foundation.

>>4094459
Sure it does anon, sure it does.

>>4082395
Did some sketching and practicing.

>>4094517

I recently made this fan art, and making the fabric look decent was the hardest part. Just line art because i always fuck things up when i start shading

What are y'all's methods of doing this?

>>4094528

one with contour-lines and one without

>>4094527
This is fucking primo 10/10 shit dude.

>>4094521
Any suggestions for future improvement?

>>4094578

This helped me a bit:
https://youtu.be/GG-WG6JeKNI

going through loomis as pretty much a complete beginner and I feel like I've hit a rock wall on the section that shifts from basic cartoon characters to kind of realistic faces. I feel like I lose grasp of the fundamentals of the book as soon as I mentally reset after sleep. Any tips/critiques? Also am I supposed to copy everything he does or build my own original faces? I don't feel capable of doing that at all.

>>4094815
those look ok. The point of the book is to make your own faces.

>>4094427
I didn't trace exactly, just felt out the forms after I did the drawing on the right -- it helped

>>4094815
>I feel like I lose grasp of the fundamentals of the book as soon as I mentally reset after sleep.
That's normal. It'll take a while for you to internalize it all. Just keep drawing. More you draw, easier it gets.

>>4094815
nice chibi bounty hunter lol.

how am i doing?

Any tips with the composition perhaps? Should the girl be lower and the buildings higher? Or maybe viceversa and the girl being higher and the buildings lower would give a better overview...
Also maybe I should draw a monster or an asteroid or some other stuff instead of a giant building, it kinda stands out from the rest of the city. Anyway this is what I'm doing right now

>>4095068
>he doesn't know how lighting works
>he couldn't work out how to avoid shadow
it really is /beg/

May I get a critique, please? Trying to work on my perspective and making confident lines.

>>4095152
i....i don't know how to respond to this

>>4095174
just you try, i'll body you so hard so fast the referee won't even need to count he'll just stop the match for the safety of your ego

I wanna get into drawing, Should I start with anatomy?

>>4095155
Wrong thread bro.
Also most the people here posting just started out with the perspective autism.

Any tips before I go full autism applying more detail?
Honestly I didn't know what the hell was I doing with that monster in the sky, I just wanted to fill that void and decided to do something creepy.
Ideally the city and monster will have some red lights contrasting with the blue scarf on the girl, and it's a cloudy day so the sky is gray. Idk why I say that, I should just do it.

Any tips before I go full autism applying more detail? I really didn't know what I was doing with the monster, I just wanted to fill that void.
It's hard to create a scene, I just know I want something there but it changes the whole theme. It could be an asteroid, a big plane, a tower, a monster... It's hard to decide on something.

>Post work
>Critique: come back after reading Hampton
>Read Hampton and draw along with every page
>Months later
>Post work
>Critique: come back after reading Hampton

I love how every critique assumes we haven't already tried our best to comprehend the fundamentals and that we're too lazy to have started them, I've been drawing at least ten 30 second figures every day for a month and I can't tell if I've improved, these threads are absolutely useless and not once have I gotten a useful critique from them

I don't know how necks and shoulders work so here is my attempt at figuring it out. Is this a decent way to learn or should I really map out the underlying muscles and bones? I fucked up the angle of the face but I liked how it looked anyway, so it ended up being a bit different from the ref. Any advice pls. I am ignoring ears for now, I plan on going full autismo on those once I feel I have necks and shoulders figured out.

>>4095260
IDK anon but I really like how this looks. Personally I think the monster thing looks a little out of place in the setting. Maybe a mecha or something instead? Either way I like what youre doing with it!

>>4095276
Looks fine to me, I'm no master but I picked up on the "trapezium area" from watching manga like this. It's very exaggerated maybe since he's a muscular character, but that's what you are looking for. There's the neck, and that bit of back showing up known as the trapezium, which connects to the shoulders.

Which is what you did, I'm just confirming that it correct fine to me.

>>4095275
Post work and I'll try to tell you how to improve it, but they probably send you to read Hampton because they think there's no point in telling you how to re-draw one piece better, since you wouldn't learn enough from that.
Still, give it a shot and I'll give mine too.

>>4095241
So I've escaped /beg/, huh. You know what; it feels even better than I thought it would.

what's this old tv looking effect with these lines called?

>>4095303
Good job!

Are those both boys?

>>4095311
I have no idea. Though that would be lovely.

>>4095291
Ty anon, I love Murata's work too, I will definitely reference it when I start drawing more males!

>>4095330
Are the left girl's hands WAY bigger than the right's or is that just the lens distortion effect on the edges of the picture?

Posted this in a different thread, but I thought I'd post it here too. Just a drawing of an oc kid of mine and also a version after his mom took his Xbox away, thoughts?

>>4095303
Not so fast! What gives that anon authority over freeing you from /beg/?
Third time's a charm, wait for it.

>>4095330
We can only hope anon, we can only hope.

>>4092763

>>4095275
>1 month already demanding results
lol ngmi

>>4095275
>at least ten 30 second figures every day for a month
that's only 5minutes a day or 300 figures a month. Do you think this is enough?

>>4082395

Hi /beg/, sorry in advance for the wall of text, but your feedback in and answers have immense worth to me, so I hope you’ll reply anyway:

I have a serious problem when it comes to learning how to draw, and would really appreciate any pointers or tips you could give me.

I have been practicing how to draw from realism in order to eventually learn to draw from imagination, and I have been using the books from the sticky in order to get me started.

My end goal is to eventually attain the same skillset as a concept artist (for videogames), well knowing it’s going to take many years of practice.

Unfortunately, whenever my results (finished drawings) come out horrible, I get an overwhelming feeling that I have had wasted these 4 past months learning nothing, especially when it comes to drawing from imagination.
Despite this culminating in the background, I’ve relentlessly been drawing every day following /beg/‘s advice. This made my frustration grow for every drawing, but I’ve powered through it regardless.
Even on horrible days, I forced myself to draw, seeing it as a sign of dedication.

Fast forward to today, I broke down from stress a week ago, and have been extremely anxious about drawing since then.

I tried earlier again today to draw a bed from imagination, and immediately went up in the red after I was done, having overwhelming anxiety, very fast breathing, shaking hands and a feeling of complete futility.

It feels very much like some sort of traumatic experience.

Despite this, I have taken contact to real concept artists, such as the artist behind the concept art of Fallout 4, and the concept artist behind the cover for Slay the Spire, and they’ve both recommended taking real classes and meeting up with fellow artists.

I’m taking a real beginners course for drawing soon, starting a seek from now. Learning to draw is still something I absolutely both want to and need to learn.

-1/2

>>4095566
-2/2

I don’t know if you folks here at /beg/ have experienced this before, but any input, advice or coping methods/techniques you have tried or recommend is extremely valuable to me.

And thank you for taking your time to read that wall of text!

>>4095276
>I don't know how necks and shoulders worl so I'm going to try to.guess how they do instead of studying human anatomy both from life and models online
Do you realize where you're being a retard here?

>>4092763
>>4095369
>Same boring faces with no comment
Why do you come here? Doesn't look like you're looking for critique.

How do I wrap my head around clothing folds? I'm trying to shade this cape, but I have no idea what I'm doing. How did you learn to do it?

>>4095568
>>4095566
That is okay friendo, You are simply just worried about your future, you are worried if all the effort you put in today will be worth it at the end of ends. Because let us face it the road is long and you are going to the unknown, you are going into the unconventional, the place people would say you shouldn't be going. You are thinking of the opportunity cost of it, what if won't work out, what if you won't make the grade even if you put everything onto it. That would just mean you wasted all this time and so on and on. While at the same time you are just looking at those artists that already made it and only see the gap between you and them a gap that you cannot even know how wide it is because you only saw the destination.

You are doing good that you draw every day, art is a grind especially at the very start but it seems that you are getting to a point where it feels to be overwhelming because you are not getting the results you are aiming for. The road is long but your brain is clearly demanding results which are not there yet.

I think for the the only rational thing to do is to just take a break. Okay anon? Take a day or two break from it and let your nerves calm down. If it feels that overwhelming then it could also be that other events of your life in general might be affecting you. Make sure to take care of yourself in general, if you are not healthy physically or mentally drawing won't work, just like eany other problem solving exercise won't work. Okay?

If you feel like you have learned nothing that could mean two thing, you are not learning the things that are necessary or you are just not noticing the things you have learned.

I support that you take a beginners course, that is the best way to help you get started on the basics,make sure you try take your notes and apply that knowledge you gained there. It takes awhile to internalize theory on the level to put it to practice regularly.

>>4095625
I'm positive you must have some sort of fabric at your place. Draw it, study it, play with lighting to see how it reflects on it yada yada

>>4095633
Thanks anon. I have towel that I have been using as reference, so I will go back and look at it more intently.

first attempt at drawing the actual features
broke down a DAZ model's jaw in preperation for this study

Fucky

>>4095654
Ref

>>4095646
I think you should learn to see shapes and forms before jumping to autistical construction maymays
Now I'm not saying that autisitical construction maymays aren't good. They are, but only when you have some sort base. Do a bunch of studies then try again

>>4095307
CRT scanlines

>>4095654
>>4095655
I like your shading. Next time you try this, try to pay attention to the negative shapes created in places like between the legs or the shadow on the right side of her body. I find that this helps keep everything in closer proportion if I mess up my measuring.

>>4095630
Thank you for the response!

I agree in taking a break seems to be the most sensible thing I should do.
I think I’ll be happy about pausing endlessly grinding everything I see.
That said, I’m really looking forward to starting the real beginner’s classes, I really like student environments!

new

>>4095694

>>4090987
Unless this is the last painting you're ever going to make there's no reason whatsoever to worry about 'ruining' it. Worst case scenario is you do fuck it and learn what not to do next time, which is a good thing.

>>4095604
Mmmmm yeah thats why I was studying a model and continuing to do so?

>>4092816
He needs deltoids.