/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Just browsing around and this thread caught my attention. Are these threads worth it?

>>4078717
What is that question even supposed to mean.

>>4078746
>Will the contents of this thread be helpful to me in particular?

>>4078717
Not really unless you’re here to post your work. Pixiv does its job of giving you anime drawings to (try to) copy.

>>4078717
If it helps siphon the riffraff from the other generals I'd say let these threads continue their circlejerk over having the ability to copy like a human xerox machine.

>>4078799
PYW
polish your wiener

>>4078746
Just ignore it, it's just a retarded meme posted every thread

>>4078799
I keep popping into these threads and all I usually see are people copying anime drawings. Is that all people are doing here?

>>4078824
Apparently.

>>4078824
Share tutorials, critique each other’s anime drawings, and try to reach the collective goal of resembling anime. Indeed.

>>4078772
It's the best to use yande.re, they are strict when it comes to quality of the posted drawings and many come from artbooks.

>>4078834
You critique the ability of others to copy from anime? As in how close they can get to someone else's style and manner of drawing? At least the alt threads are all presumably done from imagination or lightly using a reference from a 3dpig model and if not just what is the difference between these threads and the alt threads?

>>4078838
>Alt: Our goal is to be whatever you feel like, western or eastern.
>ASG: Our goal is to be anime, the kind you see on Danbooru.

>>4078838
How difficult is it to understand. It's a thread dedicated to anime style art. It's not rocket science

>>4078843
>>4078856
kek you mean to tell me the alt threads split between the animay fags and the /co/ fags? I'm sorry I've been a nuisance but doesn't it irk you to know that these threads champion copying instead of referencing a real model and deviating away from life with your own individual approach?

>>4078871
You guys always seem to think there's only one right method to learning.
If you wanna do legit anime you'll have to study anime. That's that.

>>4078871
Every time I hear this shit I think what's so hard to get about that?
Why do you think I want to deviate from life? I want to draw sluts like asanagi you fucking retard!

>>4078877
>>4078881
It's the immersion, not the studying in itself. What are you gaining from an anime study? Why not study from the real thing and learn about proportion, how form is affected by light and shadow, observing real world perspective, real world anatomy? You are more likely to learn and pick up bad habits from copying off something that was geared towards animation on a budget with simplified forms that look good in motion. You're shooting yourself in the foot and working with breadcrumbs instead of the real thing when "studying" off something that has all the elements of life sacrificed to meet a budget.

No, your favorite artist isn't going to teach you shit either you are only going to be a copycat and a lesser version of them and you wouldn't know how to approach something from imagination since you so heavily rely on copying off another. I hope I am getting through to some of you with this, it would probably save you years of time from having to unlearn all the bad habits you pick up a long the way instead of just studying from life and then deviate away from it with the abstract and idealized forms you picked up from the immersion of your favorite chink cartoons.

>>4078696

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sekiy

>>4078877
You should study anime, but you should study life too. Mindlessly copying anime girls won't get you very far, you need to understand what the stylized faces are supposed to represent, and you can only do that by studying reality. The greats like Yoh Yoshinari draw plenty of realistic studies in addition to anime art.

>>4078900
That's great and correct. No one is saying you shouldn't do that and no one is advocating mindless copying. You come here to lecture for no good reason.

>>4078893
>No, your favorite artist isn't going to teach you shit either you are only going to be a copycat and a lesser version of them
I'll want 30% of an Asian's power anyday, anytime.

>>4078893
I don't think anyone here is against studying from life, it is essential in fact, and I'm sure we all agree, but you seem to think stylized drawings will come automatically from studying from life. It's important to study other artists solutions regarding stylization.
You sound like you're very experienced yourself so would you mind posting your stylized drawings?

>>4078893
you study life then study your favorite artist (anime or not) and then try to combine into your style. studying life is great but it isn't my end goal. i like anime art style so i would like to draw it, not do realistic naked women (which is also cool, but not interested that much).

i try to mix ASG with more imagination/invention than just 1:1 study. also i like to ask questions because a lot of shit in anime is a whole field of itself.

>>4078893
the thread isn't "let's learn how to draw solely from anime yippee i hate realism general", its "anime study general". its a thread for studying anime. i'm not trying to argue with you, I agree with everything you said, but I feel you're yelling at clouds here.

>>4078696
every thread
>30% "why does this thread exist" at the start
>25% studies
>35% not actual studies
>10% actual good tips and art

>>4078871
I've been trying to tell these fags to study both from life and from other artists but they're stuck trying to find shortcuts

>>4078913
I didn't say stylized drawings will come automatically by studying off life in itself I said it's the immersion of whatever it is that allows you to replicate after trial and error. We've all been immersed enough in your chink cartoons to be able to mimic it sufficiently, the rest is all about one's individual ideals. I was away for a moment but here you go and in case it incites any butthurt just remember you faggots keep asking for my work.

>>4078941
please stop posting this picture it makes me feel physically sick

>>4078941
Oh, it's you. Nevermind.

every time i feel like replying to some dumb shit in this thread, i instead pick up a micron and do some loose studies in my sketchbook. here's a dump from the last couple of days

>>4078954
ooo, I see some of yoshinari's rough sketchbook used as ref. Nice

>>4078941

>>4078960
yeah his lines and figures have so much energy and gesture, it's really fun to try and emulate it even if it turns out poorly. i'm only about 1/3rd of the way through looking at his rough sketchbook (and copying what i like) but i already feel like the energy in my lines have improved substantially

Why is this a seperate thread from /alt/? /alt/ is like 70% weebs anyways

>>4078973
because I saw gay furry art in alt and want nothing to do with them

Should have made an anime general that includes more art than just studies

>>4078993
That's alt for you

>>4078993
that's basically this, its just a name at this point

>>4078973
Stay the fuck away from us, /asg/ is a containment room for weebs /beg/

>>4078954
you're doing good

the logic makes sense, i think im going to try the asg approach for a while

>>4078954
doesn't your hand hurt after a while? after filling even just a page, my hand is all cramped the next day. but when i use the graphics tablet, no pain whatsoever.

and no im not using excessive force with pen and paper.

>>4079047
thanks anon
>>4079076
i have the opposite problem actually... when i work on my graphics tablet, i tense up and my hand gets sore real quick. but when working either traditionally or on the ipad, my back and neck gets tired faster than my hands/wrists. i'm trying to get more loose and confident on a graphics tablet though, so thanks for reminding me. anyway i also take a lot of short breaks

>>4079088
those are nice, please tell me your studying journey, in terms of books and methods. doesn't have to be in depth if you don't want

>>4079089
thanks anon, it's flattering that someone's interested so here
in the last 18 months i've probably skimmed through all the resources that /ic/ talks about. these are the ones i chose to spend time with, in chronological order:
keys to drawing
watt's atelier video lessons
scott robertson's how to draw
scott eaton's anatomy
eric olson's perspective lectures
hitokaku
i'm definitely not saying that these are the ideal resources, and i'm certain that the order was suboptimal. i say this because i know that /ic/ is stupidly obsessed with minmaxing the optimal path. also i'll mention that i'm kind of a shitbag and i didn't fully complete any one of these, i just jumped ship when i thought i got what i needed. if there's anything else in particular you want specifics on, just let me know

pic related: what i'm working through right now (it's in the mega). it's just like hitokaku: terrible art/cover, godly concepts/drills

>>4079088
Outstanding,
good job on not unironically doing loomis forever and having fun with what you want to do

Did this one from the references of the previous thread. Please send help I'm having an extremely hard time when it comes to improvement.

>>4079131
This is awesome, thank you. Not the anon who requested this, but thanks. What'd you, just copy shit you liked until it was semi-accurate?

Might as well put this here since it helps my drawings alot.

Vilppu's video lectures: https://mega.nz/#F!RIx3TJxJ!_Nna8t01kPxENJ8KSzXqwg!EUJHgKAZ

>>4079088
Where is that high heel ref from

>>4079132
thanks. i actually still have the pages and pages of loomis heads i did when i started
>>4079197
yeah that's one part of it. i certainly did a lot of copying and i'll continue to. i think it's crazy important to be able to copy what you see effortlessly (xerox proportions) and i still fall way short in that department
>>4079379
it looks like they're some screencaps of a korean camgirl i took about 2 months ago. unclear about the video source though

Tips for this hand? and maybe for anything else that looks wrong, I really want to finish a drawing where the character is not hiding her hands.

>>4078954
Do you just draw it all with the pen or do you sketch it underneath first?

>>4079522
Hand looks fine as it is now. It's not perfect but it works. Is she holding something? that's the part im confused about. Is this a study or original, too? It's very nice

>>4078696
>tfw I'm aiming for the style in the OP
Nomura is god
I've been kinda slacking off lately (still doodling every day) due to uni but I figured I would use a couple of hours today to study fundies and copy from refs that I like

>>4079403
I just go on chaturbate, take screencaps, and draw them later, do you do the same?

>>4078696
How did I fare /ic/?

>>4079202
gonna take the vilppu pill today

>>4079743
>naruto dash

>>4079743
is that the ninja girl from yuuna's haunted hot springs?

>>4079746
Anon, she's literally a ninja, I know it's a bit memey but it suits her charcter well

>>4079748
Your post made me very happy, yes she is :^)

>>4079748
>>4079750
I really liked the atmosphere of that anime.
The drawing's going to be in her Kuuma ninja clan powerup thing where she wears a tight bodysuit armor or something.

I forgot what it was called.

>>4079750

Instantly recognized the hair pin. It's a nice manga to study from.

>>4079758
I only watched the anime, I don't read manga.
I hope they make a season 2 but I don't think that'll ever become a reality sadly.

I watched episode 3-12, OVA1-2 on weed and OVA 3 on LSD I think.

It was very cool :^)

>>4079761
manga is gud, has the tastiest of study material

>>4079524
i just go in with the pen and if it turns out too badly sometimes i'll draw it again
>>4079711
basically, but i don't go on chaturbate. i've got a folder with thousands of screencaps so i never really run out of things to draw

>>4079767
Hey, that's not a bad idea.
The drawings are more high quality while still keeping the anime expressions and tropes that you won't get with studying from R-18/Echhi anime artists.

Sexy pixiv artists usually keep the expressions very limited.

>>4079767
Oh, do you have any feedback on the drawing though?

>>4079771
yeah and since it's a manga, the artist knows you control the amount of time you look at it.
Which means any mistake would be noticed after a bit, so the artist has to make the tastiness either appealing or near-flawless.

>>4079773
If you check the position of the thumbs, I think she has two left hands. Also in the boob region, we should be seeing the torso overlapping the breast, not the opposite.

>>4079770
Drawing with pen is so hard. So easy to fuck it all up. What kind of pen do you use btw?

>>4079696
Now that you mention it really looks like she's holding something, damn it.
But since it doesn't look bad I'll try to finish it anyway.
Yes, it is original.

>>4079779
>yeah and since it's a manga, the artist knows you control the amount of time you look at it.
Which means any mistake would be noticed after a bit, so the artist has to make the tastiness either appealing or near-flawless.
Not sure what this means, could you elaborate

I think I posted an old version of the drawing, this is where I'm at now.

That issue has been resolved some hours ago.

>>4079779
Snip & Sketch is crashing but the thumb on her right arm goes behind the palm, maybe I'll let her hold her dagger there I'm not sure.
I'll have to change the hand pose anyway then.

At least, she doesn't have two left hands.

Also an issue I noticed is that her left hand is too small.

>>4079782
Oh awesome. I really love how you did the eyes, any advice on that? It's my weakest part. I'd say either make the hand hold something or make the hand more neutral. It's always good to give something 'purpose'. Ask "why is she doing that with her hand?"

>>4079782
quite nice overall. And I know you were going for a more pronounced curve but I think she could benefit from some more outer curve to her ribcage, on our left.

>>4079786
In animation, if there's a mistake in anatomy, the show already moved onto the next shot so you forget that mistake often. It's also on a budget and time constraint so they can't give a detailed pass over every single scene to make sure everyone's anatome is perfect.
While in manga, the reader controls when he goes to the next scene. And we understand that some panels require more attention than others, it's why there's so many background shots and chibis, to save time for the artist.
But an anatomy mistake in a "money shot", in a large ecchi panel where the girl's drawn in more detail, that mistake is more noticeable.

>>4079792
I understand now, thank you.

>>4079781
i'm using the sakura 05 (.45mm) pigma microns right now and i really like them. but i started out with just regular ballpoints. yeah i get what you mean about how hard it is, but it gets easier the more you do it, which is why i'm grinding it out. i get too precious with pencil sketches and digital so it takes way too long. drawing in pen really upped my speed which lets me knock out more studies which then completes the loop by improving my pen technique

>>4078700
source?

>>4079748
How in the hell did you guess that?

>>4079818
le epic hair pin, anon-kun!!

>>4079811
Himura Kiseki. Part of his Tawawa on Monday series.
https://twitter.com/Strangestone/media

>>4078954
>>4079088
Keep it up anon!

>>4079088
love your stuff anon, ur lines are so clean
>>4079188
i know that feel anon. but i think you're overestimating how much comparable time and effort you're putting in, or you just don't see your improvement yet( think that way, it's hard for us notice ours own flaws in drawing, like, sometimes i post shit here and only notice that something is wrong after some anon points it out, it's the same for even the smallest bit of improvement).
You've improved a bit since last time i saw you, draw more faces, try copy every face u see on a random booru, try to see what make that weeabo shit u see appealing, right now theres something uncanny on your faces, they aren't bad just " boring" ( mainly the way you draw blushes, these lines below the eyes are killing it). next focus on line confidence too, your lines are showing much doubt, use less lines even if you arent sure if you should place them.
>>4079708
I've been following your posts here, keep up the good work, you improved.
looks like you prefer the new nomura stuff, man old nomura is peak nomura, ff7 and ffx had so much soul.

>>4079809
I guess I will try more with the pen. I will need to get new sketchbook for markers though. In the one I got, the black pen just bleeds through pages. What kind of sketchbook are you using?

some studies and strongly referenced fanart, I tried to color some things too, but I didn't like the result

>>4080037
Thanks you for the words. I really appreciate the feedback and now I've some rough outline of what to do.

>>4080037
Also regarding the blushes. At the moment I can't find a way to have my tablet behave as I would like and is driving me insane. When working with traditional I've a much easier time both in line control and values.

>>4080037
>I've been following your posts here, keep up the good work, you improved.
Thank you so much, anon! That means a lot to me
I prefer most of his stuff, whether it's new or not. X had a big impact on my life so I tend to mostly draw characters from that FF game though

>>4080067
based sanaefag, nice patchouli too. do a marisa for me when you can.

>>4080037
Thanks anon, I still have a long way to go
>>4080058
I just buy sketchbooks from the dollar store. I used to have that bleeding problem so I had to put a scrap sheet of paper under each page. These new microns I’m using don’t bleed at all even on the thinnest scratchpad paper (pic related). Something to do with the pigment ink, I don’t know, but it’s great. I don’t have to put a piece of paper under unless I go over it with markers

>>4080036
Thanks anon, y-you too...

>>4078762
Nice merchant on the right

>>4079131
can't seem to find pic related from your post in the mega. Is there like an english caption beside it? It's under the section "Japanese Books" right?

>>4080440
Its under “other” called mastering hands and feet or something near the bottom of the folder

>>4080448
ah thanks found it.

>>4078762
sometimes I think they drew this intentionally like asobi asobase does

God I despise drawing hair

>>4080602
I hate drawing ears I don't know what's wrong with me

>>4080610
ears are very erotic

taiyo doesn't even like to use screen tones. i guess "making it" is really subjective in the end. what makes a 'good' drawing anyway?

I'm an aspiring mangaka and even though I'm not Japanese, I really want this to be sucessful. It's embarrassing to say, but I just figured out how to use screentones

>>4080756

>>4080757

>>4080756
being japanese doesnt matter. take the boondocks for instance lol keep it up. you use clip studio?

>>4080769
Nope! Ibis paint x. It's a great program and it's free.

>>4080759
There's a lot of room for improvement, mostly for your facial construction and general anatomy, but your lines also lack the basic line weight distribution which is expected of a lot of manga. I suggest you study some proper anatomy on the side while analyzing skilled mangakas of your liking, taking into the account of the difference techniques they use to convey form. Keep going at it, step out of your comfort zone, and eventually, you should find yourself improving.

Good luck.

studies are fun

>>4079088
Step on me mommy pls

>>4078929
and 100% reason to remember the name

>>4080334
Can you tell me if you focus on speed or accuracy with the pen? Measuring everything in mind and placing lines takes forever and drains me quickly, But drawing faster just ends up shit.

>>4080806
Thank you! I'm gradually learning anatomy more and more. I'm used to cartoons rather than manga, so this artform gets a little tricky in terms of form.But in any case, thanks for telling me about line weight. I was not familiar with that term.

I changed some stuff today and had some new insight, not sure if it's all correct. Changed my proportions so that the crotch is at 3.5 heads, and ribcage around 2.5 heads. Made eyes smaller and deltoid stick out less.

Still not really sure what I'm doing with the neck to armpits area and pelvis.

>>4080769

>look at boondocks

Nobody praises boondocks because it looks like a hood Airbender spin-off. If it wasn’t funny it would be as shit as anything else.

>>4080227
thanks anon, but marisa will take some time, was looking what i drawed past 2 months and i decided to go back to /beg/, gonna grind some weeks

>>4079849
cheers

>>4081669
just use a fucking ref

>>4079131
Wait, so you're saying you've only been learning to draw for 18 months?!

>>4080909
ara ara
>>4080989
i start off usually focusing on accuracy but i find myself speeding up as i tired. when i get too fast and sloppy i take a break. sometimes i do long carefully measured studies and sometimes i just quickly eyeball stuff. i'm not sure what helps more so i just do whichever depending on how i feel.
>>4081841
probably closer to 20 months, because i started studying at the start of 2018. i've drawn on and off for sun as a kid so i didn't start from zero completely. pic related was my level before i did any sort of studying

>>4081866
moved the image file before i posted, whoops :p

>>4081867
You should stop trying to draw the full body. I don’t think you understand how to properly “learn” to draw. You don’t just read the section on heads, draw a head then move on to body or other complex anatomy.

>>4081669
hey anon, i remember doing a redline for you on that drawing almost two weeks ago. imo you probably got all that you can out of it. i think you're going in circles at this point. it's probably better to just knock out a bunch of figures from reference (real life, not anime) before trying again. i mean this for the sake of improvement only, so i mean if you enjoy working on this drawing, by all means please continue
>>4081875
i'm not sure what you mean, did you mean to reply to somebody else?

what a fucking faggot

>>4081866
Can you tell me how you got better at accuracy? I'm so shit at drawing accurately I feel like a total brainlet :( Also blog?

>>4081936
check out dorian iten's guide on proportions and accuracy. don't be afraid to or measure angles or draw guidelines/use a grid (pic related: reducing the amount of squares as you get more comfortable until it's just the aspect ratio). doing that stuff explicitly will improve your freehand accuracy when you do it in your mind. i'm still have a long way to go so i don't really know what i'm talking about, but make sure to check out dorian iten's stuff. also sorry no blog yet

>>4079131
can highly vouch for the first 4, would throw in huston's figure book. and for watt's it's mainly the fundamental and drawing stuff not the painting so much except for gouache. absorb as much info as you can and try to draw it along the way. don't get stuck sketching, try to finish pieces so you don't build up too big of a complex over knowing how to plan/start a finished piece.

You guys reading this thread realise that all the stuff the OP is talking about is the exact same shit you're supposed to be doing to improve your work, right?

>>4080906
anyone have some crit?

>>4082052
meh

>>4080906
I like the bottom middle one

>>4082060
You really went out of your way to say meh
>>4082066
Thanks

>>4080906
These are all pretty good, if you didn't just trace then you have a good understanding of eye and face placement. Good job anon.

>>4082097
I didn't trace, I'm very flattered to hear that. Thank you!

>>4081799
>>4081893
alright I'll go back to studying from reference, thanks for the feedback.Should I just do quickposes at like 60 second intervals and post them to /beg/?

>>4082321
i cant tell if you are trolling anymore,kys if yes if not go back to any kind of /beg/book and actually try to study

>>4082066
Blog?

how do i draw like the granblue artist

>>4082353
add a huge gap between the eyes

>>4082359
thats a little rude dont you think

>>4082353
Probably intern there or get hired and they'll teach you.

>>4081669
this looks really good to me btw. i think everyone being a bit overcritical

>>4081676
airbender is really good too. my point was the region you were born in doesn't limit what you can do. we're all human

>>4082321
i used to do figure drawing on those websites and i don't really like them. the models and perspective change so much from picture to picture and the poses can sometimes be really unnatural. i would start saving images that you feel like you can learn from (e.g. a photo that really shows how the neck connects the skull and shoulder girdle). or if you're willing to pay, i would get one of these pose catalogs from amazon japan. i found that i improved a lot after doing 1 or 2 figures a day from it for a month. it has photos of the same model in common poses at different angles with the camera at a consistent distance away

anyway it really doesn't matter too much i think, as long as you're knocking them out and then (self) critiquing. i was mostly concerned about you working on the same drawing for 2 weeks and apparently not making too much progress, so i suggested that you just move on

>>4082347
why do you think he's trolling? i'm not really getting that vibe

>>4082349
:O my first blog request danke you!
https://www.deviantart.com/deathpickle

I'm really poor at eye placement for heads, the angle of trying to get eyes is difficult for me. Should I go back to the grinding board for heads or just trying copying more?

>>4082685
you sound like you're doing something wrong. Mindless grinding won't fix a bad process, discovery will. If you want to discover what it is you are doing wrong, you have to spend time observing and working mindfully to try and figure out what you're doing wrong.

As for eye angles in particular, here's some basic help

>>4082673
>1.1k watching
How do I achieve this

>>4082744
lel no I'm shit I only have 87 watchers. I watch 1.1k
Actually I didn't even realize I had that many watchers.

Wait unless you really mean how do I achieve watching 1000 other people. uhm. I just look at a lot of stuff. I've got like 40000 favorites

>>4082743
I get overwhelmed when it comes to just style of eyes. Here's some eyes I did last night by pure accident. My main issue I think is being overwhelmed and not keeping it simple. I'm not mindlessly grinding. I know thats not really helpful if I dont know what im doing wrong. Thanks though!

>>4082768
oh so you're not a baddie, geez, I thought you were talking about basic mistakes not making eyes at a high level. Yeah just use reference and figure it out.

For me i'm interested in eyes too. There's this really distinct shape by the eyebrows make and i'm trying to get it proper.

also I should probs draw proper eyelids more often

>>4082780
> There's this really distinct shape by the eyebrows make and i'm trying to get it proper.
Yeah, this shit can be really overwhelming. I still have troubles with the pupils' shape and trying to make it not lopsided, but that comes in time.
>>4082782
>>4082784
Any tips on trying to get the shape down correctly? It's my weakest part right now. Right now I'm just doing a simple line then drawing over it to increase thickness.

>>4082780
blog?

>>4082801
>Any tips on trying to get the shape down correctly? It's my weakest part right now. Right now I'm just doing a simple line then drawing over it to increase thickness.
what the eyelashes? Im bad at eyelashes too, but I have a method for them sorta

>>4082815
im not that guy, was just posting his work for ref https://twitter.com/henken_second

>>4082817
Oh i thought these were your studies, i knew the artist already

>>4082817
ty <3

>>4082743
Anon, that is very bad quality advice. You could've posted a tutorial from a better artist but I bet you didn't find any that drew the same bad guidelines you draw.
Work on your lines. Stop using mspaint and your mouse.
Don't give advice when you're at that level.

>no one posted the essential method to study anything provided by an actual manga artist

>>4082854
what's wrong with it? It's low quality but it's not teaching any errors (to my knowledge). Also I couldn't post a better tutorial because I'm not a babby still using tuts.

>>4082861
You can't draw for shit and think you're above tutorials? lol

>>4082859
this too

>>4082816
>>4082743
keep posting tutorials anon you are so much better than all these shits on the thread, here pls rate my tutorial
I only practice tutorials I make and never look at artists other than me to preserve my prefection

>>4082877
you're actually a drooling retard who only judges by appearances. These shiddy tuts are to get a point across, they do not need to be pretty, they need to get the point across. Depth in the eye. Using 2 lines to get a feel for slanting something, didn't you ever do those things when you first learned how to do eyes?

>>4082880
pyw

>>4082885
you can't talk shit unless you post yours.

Also I did this >>4082066

>>4082890
practice once in your life.

>>4082890
>>4082896
So, anon? Choked on your Kruger?

>>4082914
what, me or him?

>>4082928

You made >>4082890 ?

>>4082866

What does the third one mean... "establishment of law - procedure" ?

>>4082933
me, the tutorial guy made >>4082890 and >>4082066

>>4082928
>>4082933
>>4082939
...how many anons in the conversation?

>>4082942
All of them.

>>4082951

Hey guys! Long time no see. Time for the surprise ratings.
>>4082939
SOUL 5/10
>>4082896
You added elf ears. If you didn't I would have rated it poorly. 5.5/10.
>>4082890
not so soulful 1/10
>>4082877
1/10
>>4082784
2/10
>>4082782
6/10
>>4082381
8/10 fantastic studies
>>4082066
1/10
>>4081867
2/10 you have the glint in your eyes but the drawings are bad

>>4081669
1/10
>>4080906
2/10
>>4080759
3/10
>>4080357
5/10
>>4080187
8/10
>>4080067
Just for the 2hu you get 4/10 otherwise 2/10

>>4082959
>>4082963
Who's this boi?

>>4079188
It could be more....I want to like it but 3/10
>>4079088
Nice shoes. 2/10
>>4078954
Best in the thread 8.2/10
>>4078941
skipping the mikufaggot

>>4082959
>>4082963
>>4082969

>>4082959
>>4082963
>>4082969
Faggot

>>4082979

Try harder next time.

>>4082976
Looking at the archive, looks like your average opinionated retard, but with a name.

>>4082959
>>4082963
>>4082969
your ratings actually make me mad

>>4082939
aquapaulo is the embodiment of the ngmi. Don't mind him, anon.
I appreciate that you're trying to help.

>>4082989
"hello, it's me... Deeeeerek, your loved one.
I have finally returned to give your art the fairest of ratings you so wilfully requested..."

"oh this one with the succubus is too good, makes me envious. Daddy Derek doesn't like negative emotions anon, tsk tsk. 2/10
oh this one has Touhou? lovely, extra points for that"
fuck off!

>>4082990
Seething_envy.jpg

>>4082994
I'd feel sorry for anyone who is envious of that.

>>4082995
I feel sorry for whoever's still hugboxing in that shitty server

>>4082992
Calm down and practice more.

>>4083001
Derek went anon lol

Can anyone help me understand how Toriyama's eyes work in general compared to reality? I'm beg and I'm trying to reproduce it but it looks retarded and I'm stuck in understanding.

>>4083629
you sure that's toriyama's? Looks like DBSuper art one of the animation team members would draw, every goku besides regular goku have a soulless copycat feel to them.

>>4083650
No it's probably Toyotaro but he still doesa decent job of coyping

>>4083650
Yeah that's clearly not Toriyama's work

>>4083654
Tell toyota that "goku super saiyan god super saiyan blue super saiyan literall embodiment of the universe" on the center right has one eye higher than the other.

>>4083663
what about the ears

Practicing gbf and messing with watercolor in the back.

>>4083735

>>4083736
That bad?

>>4083739
i dont think so, post the original

>>4082976
kek

Did a study of an artist's picture of this character. It was a sketchy picture in general, so it was a bit challenging. It was also pretty low-res.

The most difficult parts were the line up of the eyes and trying to get the hair pieces not to look sloppy. Any advice is appreciated.

Started doodling on photoshop. Damn, why did no one tell me sketching digitally was so fun?

>>4084015
I’m loving these lines man

>>4084018
Thanks, they're a bit messy and unprecise because I'm not used to the tablet yet but I'll get it down soon.

>>4084015
not anime

>>4084310
nothing in this thread is anime because it was all drawn by filthy gaijins

>>4084327
spotted the western virgin

>>4083981
Anime in general all look nearly the same. It's the subtle differences like putting a lip a little higher or a nose a little lower that makes the huge difference. Of course there's the placement of the eyes too, but lets save that for another day. It's amazing how the human mind can be blind to these differences for a huge number of years before actually understanding where the lines belong to make appealing anime characters.

>>4084357
We're all western virgins

>>4084310
In what regard? Is it not anime as in there's no clear reference, or is it that the stylisation is not "anime" enough?

>>4084427
not the same anon
I'd say there's some sort of blockiness to the character's face structure that feels more western.

>>4084310
Anon just because it’s not some megamind moe blob with bulgy eyes doesn’t mean it’s not anime

>>4084433
Hmm, I can see that. I've been trying to stylize in a GAR-anime style, which itself has a pretty western influence.

>>4084400
what word soup is this

>>4084457
no magic bananas here anon, just my philosophy over the years

>>4084400
I don't know what you're getting at. From what I've studied I found that their placement and size can vary wildly.

From the drawing challenged thread, thought it'd be appropriate here as well.

>>4084400
wrong

>>4084631
western as fuck you didn't even put effort

>>4084767
>japanese artists can only ever draw uwu kawaii trash
kinda looks like blame to me

>>4084772
Thank you for hitting this shit on the dime
This should be renamed to eastern general not fucking anime study general
Classifying all art from eastern artists under "anime" is shooting yourself in the foot when you come across japs that use more realism and fundamentals in their art

>>4084785
*hitting the nail on the head
I think I just had a stroke

>>4084785
desu if we're actually 'anime' general then we'd be animating instead lol

>>4084785
>hitting this shit on the dime
I'll be using this from now on.

I love how “not anime” and “western” never fails to bait you fuckers

I tried to go for a slight classic anime look for her face, I doubt it looks authentic but I think it's kinda cute? :0

>>4084889
Reminds me of a twitter manga

>>4084889
the eyes/face look shoujo style while the hair/eyebrows look more shounen/seinen lol
good work though!

>>4084889
Very cute. How to get good at hair like you?

Can't read japanese very well, but still helpful

>>4084894
Hope that’s a somewhat good thing lol
>>4084928
I was trying to give her a tomboy character haha, thanks!
>>4084930
Ah that’s very flattering, I try to draw the flow of hair while specifically visualising where each part flows down from the crown. Although while visualising, I try not to actually draw each strand and only depict just the right amount of visual information for you to feel how it flows. Hope that wasn’t convoluted!

>>4084829
rate my anime penguin

>>4084983
stop, pingu ...

>>4084983
doot doot

>>4084983
Cute penguin. Nice penguin

>>4084983
spooky

>>4084989
>>4084990
>>4084999
>>4085001

Aw shucks anons, thanks!

>>4085005
>not animated
1 job

>>4085007

>>4084983
too western

>>4085061
Get outta here derek-baka!

>>4078696
So I'm using bout 4 different sources right now. One recommends 5.5 heads, another 7.5, one 6.5, and one just 5. Do I just pick whichever is easiest for me to remember even if it looks a bit weird to use just 5 or is there a good standard of heads measurement to start off with that makes this easier?

>>4084785
I agree, since all you need to do is look at stuff like Berserk or Vagabond to see that "anime" drawing isn't always super deformed bodies or big eyes.

>>4085237
Pick the one that you find most aesthetically pleasing. There's no right way to stylize, as long as it looks good.

>>4078696
Give me your opinion if you have some spare time someone

>>4086591
>this better not be bait
Try redraw this but with a reference anon, see where you went wrong and learn from it.

>>4086595
eh, it's just a quick doodle without a pose reference.

What do you think is the most glaring issue?

>>4086596
the weirdest thing is the forlorn look on her face when she's in this position.

>>4086603
Yeah, sorry I have autism so getting these expressions right is kind of hard for me.

I think there's a deficit in recognizing facial features as in remembering the face of a person with autistic people.

Nonetheless I should overcome this hurdle.

>>4086591
the ass is terrible try looking at sone porn and compare, thus from jewgle

>>4086591
Pick up some figure drawing books anon

>>4086616
Yeah, okay, sorry that the artwork doesn't meet your standards.

>>4086618
Maybe I should, which one do you recommend?
I kinda doodled this without any pose reference, so I don't think it's too bad considering that.

>>4086622
stop being a bitch, the ass is all wrong is not a matter of being appealing its straight out garbage

>>4086623
I wasn't trying to make that point.

>>4086622
Being a beginner or not using a reference is not an excuse. If it's bad it's bad. Your first mistake was not using reference at your level.

>>4086627
Yeah, alright, don't get wound up about an unreferenced doodle.
Not really in the mood to get into an autistic argument on the chan right now.

>>4086622
dude, it's not a matter of whether it's 'not too bad'. Like, what the fuck were you trying to accomplish here? something totally aside from the human anatomy? okay, well, you succeeded, great job.

what did you want when you posted this 'artwork', as you call it? a pat on the back? you're doing that well enough yourself, buddy.

>>4086632
> you're doing that well enough yourself, buddy.
oh well mission accomplished then :^)

but seriously don't wind yourself up over this it's a quick doodle I wanted some quick feedback on, it's not going to be turned into a full artwork anyway, probably.

>>4086636
Introducing "It's a quick doodle"!
The best way to post art and dismiss any criticism.
Wanted to post something but don't want to improve? "It's a quick doodle" is the excuse for you! A forcefield that lets your /beg/ tier art stand amongst others while your ego remains unscathed!

If it's a quick doodle and you're not looking for criticism then why post it.

>>4086644
Sure anon, how about you give me your book recommendation I even asked for?

>>4086647
the book is called the world around you.
now start doing still lifes.

>>4086648
If you're going to be that type of autist at least give me a still life photo collection as a recommendation.

I don't leave my room and I'm not going to draw my calculator or my keyboard.

>>4086649
>i'm not going to draw my calculator or keyboard
what the fuck is wrong with you dude. just die

>>4086648
A book isn't what you need. You gotta fill that visual memory by drawing more and actually using reference..

>>4086650
I'm more worried about your mental health to be honest, and I have crippling depression unironically.

>>4086651
I just draw to forget my life problems
I don't watch porn so I mean pornhub is gross man, maybe I'll download some playboy photos for the poses or something.

But I don't really care that much in the end.

How do I not get tired after drawing. it takes me 2 days (8 hours total because of wagie etc.) to finish the line art/sketch and I'm too tired to color it; and it doesn't even look decent or resemble those japanese illustrators.

what do I do, I'm already normal /fit/ (take my dog for morning walks everyday, even lost 30 kg this year).
also quick feedback on the pic if anyone wants to

>>4086858
nice bulge

>>4086858
Have you been doing studies alongside this? Your speed in drawing gets better with practice and mileage. Also good job on being /fit/

>>4078954
>>4079088
blog?

>>4086925
>studies
not so much. the closest thing I've done was copying construction forms in drawing tutorials, then make the layer set to 'multiply' and hover over the reference to see what I did wrong. or write small notes like pic related (mostly on anime faces in different perspectives) but not enough in retrospective

>>4078954
>>4079809
I'll actually try using a pen like this anon, and maybe temporary drop digital so I can draw faster. Plus it'll help me focus on my studies.

>>4086964
Then you gotta do more studies and original work, anon

I like girls with big noses. How do I make anime girls with BIG noses? most reference out there barely have any nose at all

>>4087148
Nobuteru YUKI

>>4087148
Annie from SnK

>>4081866
I tried drawing with the pen last few days but its impossible. It's just so stressful and it ends in utter shit.

>>4086858
It gets better in practice like the other anon said. Cute boy btw

>>4086591
I know someone just like you IRL. Pops up to me every couple weeks with a new, very mediocre sketch and asks "hey anon, any critiques or advice to improve this?" I'd give him exactly what he asks for, comes back and says "ah you know what, I just draw for fun anyway, not in any hurry to improve," or "no anon, that's just my style. I always draw like this." My point here is, if you want someone to replace yourself, just say that straight. If you don't want to hear anyone's honest opinions, don't waste our time or yours for trying to help you improve.

>>4087438
>Replace
I meant fellate, autocorrect doesn't like sexual words apparently.

>>4087148
You'll find plenty if you look at any anime made before 2000

>>4087438
But it was just a quick sketch.
I would be quite sad to find out if I had spent a lot of effort into this drawing only to find out she would break her spine in this pose.

I did take your advice into practice and my new piece is referenced from a pose from Playboy.

However, I'm struggling a bit with the most important part of appeal and attraction: the face.

I think drawing should be just for the heck of it sometimes too, besides I don't think even having garbage anatomy/poses/dynamism/appeal etc. is my biggest problem.
My biggest problem is that I barely finish anything, and that I can't even paint a simple background.

>>4086616
Decided to do a study of that ass. Anime girl is there so I'm not off-topic. Would like some criticisms of both.

>>4087691
I'm not the anon that told you to use a reference, though that is good advice. But if you'd like, post your new piece and I'd honestly be happy to try and critique it, provided you actually want to hear it this time.

>>4087698
Here, please pay special attention to that hip line.
I will be posting the reference too.
I know the pose is a little off reference, but I don't really care honestly. You could say this as a "muh style" argument but I don't really want to have that discussion.

This is kind of a no excuse piece (well, other than the fact that it's a little off reference, but that's the only excuse I'll make)

Please Ignore the face this is a WIP.

>>4087698
reference

>>4087710
>"this is kind of a no excuse piece"
>"off reference but I don't care"
> "Ignore the face!! Look at the hip, look at the tasty bits!!"

Come on, anon! do you have one piece of art that's actually finished you're proud enough to show us??
There's no curve to your pose either, there's a visible one on the reference. maybe it's the fact you drew a goddamn straight line for the pose.

>>4087692
this is some really messy and random hatching man

>>4087721
Yep fair enough, I'm still getting used to the tablet but I definitely didn't put enough care into the hatching.

>>4087717
No, I need help with the hip line, I'm not happy with how it looks.
The face is going to be redone from the ground up as it is too off-model.

I don't really have anything that I'm proud enough to show off, that's just the hard truth.

I see what you mean with the pose curve, I'll try and fix that in the next iteration, as well as the arm (the off pose thing) I'm just not happy with it when I compare it to the reference.

I'm going to get high now maybe it'll be fun to see how well I fair at drawing when high. But I don't want to fall asleep! So, maybe I won't draw while high.

>>4087717
Sorry that you didn't like my drawing or my attitude.

>>4087758
go draw high

>>4087763
First one CS:GO match
I think I'll be more based but the drawing will be a little more ugly.
I'm too high inhib normally when it comes to drawing.

I just took the weed 15 minutes ago so we'll so how well I fair(?) in 3 hours when I'll be hazed up.

I'll also have to watch anime, I always try to when I get high but the last 2 times I fell asleep before starting the episode.

the best tip i can give you anon is that at the stage you're at, keep your drawings, and when you look back at them a couple days later (sometimes even an hour), everything wrong will suddenly jump out at you.

advice at this point is practice a lot. But also look at the world around you-- how does this look at this angle? and so on.
personally i wouldn't even worry about anime, but if you'd like to, be critical about other people's styles-- angles and so on, but also comparatively, between artists. Try to understand.

things move rapidly when you're new, so you'll learn many more things from yourself than from others. i guarantee.

>>4087775
reeee i don wanna be new i wanna be pro

>>4087692
>>4087721
Alright, I cleaned it up a tad. Featuring a different animu girl this time.

>>4087282
I have the exact opposite problem. Using a regular ballpoint pen things come out decent albeit messy even if I cannot delete anything at all and I can do the lines I want for the most part yet when using the tablet I can never do a half decent line or hatching even if I retry 100 times.
Pic related since one Anon told me to practice copying heads and using a pen for improving line confidence.

>>4087882
Very nice! What was the original picture? How do you get better at eyes? The hardest part for me is the angle the eye closest to the cheek is. Also bangs for hair -- annoying!

>>4087892
The original picture is the first page of Narikiri Mahou Shoujo Bokos. Really can't offer any advice at the moment since at the moment I'm copying different styles and trying to understand myself.

>>4087892
The eyes themselves don't look bad, the placement is just off.

>>4087939
Thanks! Placement is the hardest part. Any tips on getting placement correct? I've tried measuring references but it feels like a lot of people just go "fuck it" sometimes

>>4087950
It's mainly just construction. Make sure you're drawing a centerline that follows the form of the head, because if you fuck that up, everything will be misplaced.

>>4088004
Nice, what book is that?
>>4087970
It seems so elementary but the centerline is something I tend to forget. Thanks a lot.

>>4088011
thanks :D
the book is in the op Japanese book collection
it's one of the first books "date naota deconstruction illustrate" the plan is to do studies of every book in the whole mega drive page by page until i nail the anime art style.

i'm currently decent at best when it comes to sketching i need to work on other aspects like colour and clean up but i want to really get the style nailed down like all the great mangaka i like

>>4087879
>shading AND hatching
cmon, choose one, not both

>>4088163
Alright fine. Why can't I choose both though?

>>4088053
If you're ok, show me something you sketched! I'd like to see

How does one start painting like this, or atleast begin to learn? It throws me off because it doesn't feel like they do lineart, but build it in from inside. It's very complex, but I'd like to attempt to try to get into this sort of painting.

sure here is a little digimon sketch i did some time ago

>>4088226
>>4088188

>>4088194
start by studying this guy

>>4088334
My problem is doing it digitally or starting out. It's super overwhelming IMO

>>4088226

>>4086939
sorry no blog
>>4086964
>temporary drop digital
i did this for like a good 9 months and i got way better at digital when i went back to it. but i also accidentally grew a love for traditional
>>4087282
it's kind of a cliche but don't focus on the results so much. just try to enjoy the feel of laying down ink on paper. sometimes you get bad drawings and sometimes you get good drawings. the ratio of good drawings will inevitably increase with time and practice
>>4087882
i really like how clean these are. it looks like you took time to carefully measure. good job, anon!

see you anons in the next thread

>>4088658
For the anons that care I worked on the drawing while high this is what the drawing is like now.

I kinda feel like I want to do more studies and improve fundies if I'm being honest.

hey wouldnt it be cool if marianne williamson could transform into a magical girl
wouldn't that be cool if she hired me for her campaign and i drew her as a magical girl and everyone saw?

>>4090080
nah, I wouldn't bother with that.
That's kind of a bad idea unironically.

Make a new thread this one past 300
take away the "study" part, I wanna postmy shitty OCs for yall to see and lol at.

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>>4090174
>>4090174
>>4090174