/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>4069538
literally looks like a high production donut steel

>>4069538
stylistically it works. The characters looks good. I hate when they add the 3d pan effect, it subtracts the aesthetic 2d frame and takes me out of the picture- Lazy short cut. Frames are all copied from previous anime's, nothing original, besides character design. It seems minimal with effects.

>>4069538
>why dont they make stuff like samurai jacks, totally spies and martin mystery?
Samurai Jack - It was okay

Toally Spies - Bottom tier unapologetic fetish trash. The only thing it had was the obvious soft core fetish episodes.

Martin Mystery - Literally and unironically WHAT? WHO? Never even heard about it.

>>4069538
>is this a new trend?
LeSean Thomas has been working on this world and story for a !5 years. It's pretty cool to finally see it come to fruition. He's put in work as a animator in the industry as well.

How much of a fucking crab do you have to be, you wanna be contrarian? You're not critiquing anything either, you're just slinging shit.

>>4069538
I hate how now the west thinks they can write a shitty script, feed it to the outsourced animation machine and expect to get something that doesn't have a bland story and art style. Seriously, this art direction is so shit because there is no actual artist in charge, it's just a studio of Japs scrambling around trying to make a storyboard scribbled on the back of a Starbucks receipt an anime.

>>4069538
this is genuine crabbing, this guy has been doing his thing since forever and he's worked at it
I remember he kickstarted this stuff years and years ago

>>4069601
because Japanese anime scripts are high literature, aren't they

>>4069538
looks kinda generic and flatly directed, maybe writing can save it but it being a netflix show I would keep my expectations low
also excuse me but why are all the characters in there NIGGERS

>>4069603
>watching anime for the scripts instead of the art direction
plebeian brain

>>4069538
I mean the animation isn't great, but no worse than your average animu. You only think this one looks "soulless" enough to make a thread about because a westerner made it. Cut out the crabbing, the dude's worked hard and has finally made his passion project came to life. It doesn't seem up my alley, but I'm glad he's made it.

>c-come on bro cut him some slack its his passion project
I'm glad he's gone that far but it could still suck, anons
Still, no way to tell if it's good or bad from a trailer alone

>>4069538
Holy shit
He actually did it, I remember him talking about making this in his vids years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/user/leseant/videos

he had high hopes for the kickstarter too.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/473463284/cannon-busters-the-animated-series-pilot/description

>>4069607
I don't watch anime at all
you're moving the goalposts

>>4069538
s'all right

>>4069538
What's up with blacks and anime?
I honest expected honkies to be the ones obsessed with anime, not blacks.

>>4069538
he fucking did it. the absolute madman.

>>4069787
Everyone loves anime. Blacks, Whites, Asians, Hispanics, you name it. It just has a very wide appeal.

>>4069538
>totally spies and martin mystery
>unironically liking that bland cheap faux anime shit

>>4069575
>unapologetic fetish trash
You saying it like it a bad thing

>>4069538
Wow it actually look pretty good, how do i pirate Netflix again?

>>4069538
>>4069561
>>4069572
>>4069606
Crabs to the grave, LeSean worked hard for this and actually got through, he got paid for drawing something he likes, he has with one production of this animated series made more money than you sad fucks ever will or hope to with art.

He doesn't have to be the next Miyazaki, Kon, or Anno to put all you retards in your place, the fact that he's out there as we speak making money for this getting actual legit trailers while you're on this board instead of working harder towards your dream is proof he deserves this.

>>4069872
>making money
>in the modern animation industry
>stuck with South Korean wage slaves

Yeah, what's the budget per episode on this? And remind me exactly how much of the pie is Netflix's keep? How much is he going to have to fork on production costs and salaries before taking a cut for himself?

>>4069966
Remind me how well known you are for your art, how much money a day you making off your art? what production studio you working with?

>>4069988
Screencap this for when the studio goes bankrupt due to viewers' lack of interest, and fifteen years of studio experience goes down the drain in a spiral of debt (along with Netflix's plummeting revenues and subscriber base).

>>4070063
Oh come on, go rope yourself you jealous faggot, the dude made it, and theres nothing you can say ti change it, go draw your fanarts and moe blobs and consider artistic suicide.

>>4069601
thomas romain did the character design. he is an actual artist. a very popular one at that.

there's nothing wrong with the art direction.

>>4069538
- 3d moments
- the usual cell shading thing that makes 90% of animations look the same

Yeaaaaaah I'll pass...

>>4070147
...I'll pass BUT congratulations for achieving what he worked hard for. There are lessons to learn from that success story, and yeah, this thread is filled with serious jealous crabbism.

>>4070134
Thomas romain only did SOME of the character design though.

>>4069538
>martin mystery
dude that fuckin monstruosity is an insult to the comics

>>4070067
>made it
>with South Korean budget animation
>Netflix failed to advertise the show, launching a trailer upon release with little exposure leading up to ot
>In addition to the show not being able to make a profit due to Netflix's fuck ups, the trailer fails to sell the show if evidence of its cost cutting are the absolute best moments it can offer
>reviews centered around its wokeness and all the elements it combined, but nothing about what makes it stand out beyond skin color
>poor use of 3D models and animation
>character designs by Joe Maduieras (of Battle Chasers) would normally be a plus for this, but here they look overdone, soulless and generic
>countless shots taken from other anime, giving the trailer a Frankenstein feel
>poor charicterization: the main lead lacks the humor and/or charisma of the vastly more successful shows it rips off. The leading lady comes across as sycophantic at best. There is little explanation why they seek this guy specifically, given his power is being an immortal pincushion.

Netflix dropped the ball on this, and their Enter the Anime documentary shows how little they give a shit if this show can break even. But he "made it" it in your heart apparently, as if the corporate world gives a shit.

>Fanart
Nah

>moeblobs
Nope

>>4070414
every time I see a project that is even slightly different it bombs so hard it leaves a crater
why does entertainment suck so fucking hard these days? aren't we in the era of ultimate creative freedom via crowdfunding?

>>4069538
I'm tired of seeing the same short-haired cynical boring as fuck MC with 8 side characters more interesting than them!
where's today's Afro Samurai?
Where's today's Kouchuu Ouja Mushiking Mori no Tami no Densetsu?
Where's a new Power Stone?
Where's an actually good onepunch man season 2?
It's been isekai after isekai, slice of life after slice of life with the occasional gem.

This trailer makes me think the west is getting closer to evolving from its RWBY, its Neo Yokio and its "Chronexia and The Eight Seals". We're in Netflix's Castlevania territory.
I'll give it a chance.

generic and souless gets boring pretty fast

>>4069988
While I understand your point, there are only 2 types people in the animation industry.
1) The ones that are not in it yet and think and want to get in because it is their dream and think it will be a good career.
2) The ones that are in the industry and want to get out of it ASAP, because they actually realized first hand that it is a disgusting sweatshop job where you have to constantly lick boots while workloads that are forced on your have no upper limit. And if you dare raise a word your work credit is removed from anything you have worked on, you are blacklisted by the big studio clicks and your career is over before it even began.

>>4070161
you can't make people like something. it's bad.

/thread

>>4071116
Nice projection

>>4069538
good for him congratz

>>4071130
Well yeah that's correct, I won't watch it neither, but I put myself in his shoes & I find it cool that he managed to reach his goal. (I want to reach my goals too)

>>4071370
yes that is awesome.

>>4069538
THAT'S IT! I'M GONNA SAY IT!!!!!!

>>4069538
>brown girl
>Blonde hair
>Green eyes
Ah, so it's okay when they stain everything with shit.

>>4071430 >gives a character white features without the white skin

>>4071436
Ah YO my nigga this girl in the pic is my white next door neighbor. Her name is Patricia. Take notice of the WHITE features shes got--nice long purple hair, round big green eyes. This is typically who would see on the street on a daily basis.

>>4069787
literally everyone loves anime. Are you 12 years old?

>>4071430
>STRAWMAN

LEND ME YOUR ENERGY /IC/

>>4069787

Who would of thought someone wouldn't like what you like because the color of their skin. Really blows my mind.

>>4069538
>niggers
Sheit nigga dis anime need sum SOUL n sheit

>>4072166
Back to /pol/ with the other retards, thanks.

>>4072230
you probably can't draw a niggers skull
>>/reddit/

>>4072240
you probably can't draw
>>>/pol/

>>4072246
We live a society where people say the niggerword without a niggerword pass

>>4072240
Look, I know you’re all edgy and racist and stuff but you’re pretty much the right wing version of a vegan. You don’t have to flaunt it at every opportunity and it has become very tedious. Now that you have got your negative attention can you go fuck off?

>>4072260
>>4072260
I don't give a shit that you hate a subgroup of people. It has nothing to do with artwork or art critique.

>>4072265
My critque is that they force diversity into everything.

>>4072281
It’s not forced, black people exist and do things.

>>4072264
>you’re pretty much the right wing version of a vegan. You don’t have to flaunt it at every opportunity
vegans are the coons of the 2010s, they're the only category left that is 100% OK to shit on

>>4072284
Cucked and niggerpilled

>>4072284
Right but not everything needs to be black. They are basically coconuts. Its better than 'real niggas' I guess.

>>4072293
>Right but not everything needs to be black.
Says who? It's the guys own project. He can do what he wants.

>>4071468
Hair dye and naturally green eyes exist

>>4072286
No vegans are the people at a funeral who complain about the food at nans house afterwards. Racists are the same because some black guy makes a cartoon with black people in it and retard racists pipe up with I DONT LIKE HOW IT FORCES ME TO SEE BLACK PPL
It’s pathetic.

>>4072293
Why do they “need” to be any specific race?

>>4072296

>intellectually dishonest

>>4072295
>let him do what he wants okay!!!
but its shit. The thread said it was soulless. I was jokingly saying it needs more 'SOUL' like soul train but in all honesty its just forced western poc nigger shit.

>>4072281
>My critque is that they force diversity into everything.
kys npc faggot

>>4072304

If the guy made the characters all white you'd still nitpick that it's faux-anime and that Americans can't do anime like the Japanese whilist proceeding to spam the thread with Japanese sakuga gifs. Be honest.

>>4072311
>If the guy made the characters all white
this wouldn't have been funded
congrats to LeBron James for his achievement but let's be real

>>4072315

That could be true. Maybe he was compromising. I mean it literally is just a tanned Spike MC.

>>4072304
Art is subjective and some people like it, your cartoon was not crowd funded because nobody likes it.

>>4072311
>Crackers
>anime
Anime was only done in the white west bc it was a commercial gain for them in the early 2000s. This is the same thing but with forced diversity in mind.

>>4072315
So its forced but also funded democratically? Which one is it retard?

>>4072290
>>4072293
I'm gonna draw my comic anime styled just to piss you faggots off.

Signed an black anime fan


P.S.: You probably don't even watch anime you falseflagging /pol/ autist. Kill yourself

>>4069538
why they make a nigga anime?

>>4072357
To trigger poltards

>>4072360
but poltards are some of the biggest watchers of anime in the west, doesn't seem like a good business move

>>4072363
source needed

>>4072327
I never said anything about forced diversity, that's another anon
there's nothing forced about this since it's this guy's original project, actually people who want diversity should do exactly this, make and support new shit instead of changing existing stuff
my statement about funding was not part of the whole /pol/ package

>>4072366
Incels love anime, incels also love pol, incels hate nigs. Do the math

>>4072370
>incels
>r/incels
Incels invade /pol/

>>4072384
Reddit is interesting. Back to your /pol? Safe space.

>>4069538
By modern anime standards its visuals are above average.
Not anything groundbreaking, but it's at the very least easy on the eyes.
I think it could be an actually interesting show.
I dont see what all the hate is for racism aside.

>>4072326
Well at least you keep acknowledging this is anime. As a heavy anime watcher I see no difference aside from the obvious jump in frames that makes it look like korra/avatar/voltron. I can't explain it but there are sudden moments that move too fast that feel out of place. Which is fine since this isn't trying to be 100% anime although I'm pretty sure he could easily do that (why would he, that would cheapen it).

Also lately I've been seeing anons keep bringing up the early 2000s as some kind of arguing point.Why?

>>4072390
>reddit
>interesting
Autism is interesting yes

>>4072408
I only say 'anime' bc I have no other word for that type of art style. Toonami and 4kidz had a huge influence on western cartoons. You even see this in shittu fremch-canadian western 'anime' that appealed to children durring that time.

>>4072534
>Toonami and 4kidz had a huge influence on western cartoons

Too much asian culture dick riding, not so much trying to emulate Anime. Shaolin showdown, Super Robot Monkey Team Hyper Force Go, hi hi puffy ami yumi, Megas XLR, American Dragon, etc etc.

Here is the thing I don't get with /pol/...back then you had soooooo many cartoons shoving asian cock down kids throat but only in recent times there are cartoons like OP branching out a bit and then it's all "forced diversity". I simply don't get it. You were truly being forced diversity back then because whatever the TV showed you watched. Now you're not forced to watch anything.

>>4069538
pretty amazing whenever someone like us makes it and gets their own deal and sees their dream come to life
that being said it does hopefully make us realize that there's more to a story than cool looking characters and powers. not even saying that this story won't have heavy themes, but the setting just seems so one-and-done and generic. goes to show that when you take the bulk of your inspiration from within the medium you hope to tell your story in, it will probably be a soulless inbred mess that is hollow to the core

>>4070429
Castlevania wasn't good though.

>>4072293
This is like, the most retarded hot take I've ever seen. Are we really to the point where we're going to criticize black creators for putting black people in things? That is how representation should be fucking achieved in the first place. You're just uncomfortable seeing them on screen which is whatever I guess, but don't act like this is some high quality take. It'd be like asking why white people put white people in things. Those lefties are retarded when they ask that question, and you're retarded for complaining about it the reverse way. White people are not the default race. No one is "turning" anything black if it was always that way to begin with.

>>4072552
People don't like negroes and forcing negroes into things because they are unattractive to most people and people don't like to see ugly things being spread.

That's all it is. There, I gave you the real bottom line.

Chinks? Eh, whatever.
Japs? Cool.
SEAmutts? Pfft, no one gave a fuck about them anyways?
Indians? Yuck, but also lol.
Arabs? Jesus no, but couldn't really make a good argument in their favor anyways.
North Africans? Same.
Latinos and spics? Tasteless and unappealing but not otherwise that big of a deal.
Slavs? Lol, who can tell the difference.

But NEGROES? *BURF SOUNDS INTENSIFY*

There ya go. The real bottom line of all of this. If you replaced half of American dramas with chink shit no one would care.

>>4072694

Is it really white people being outraged about this or is it Asians? Keep in mind a large part of hollywood staff is comprised of Asians. They're the ones pumping out the content, not whites.

>American dramas
White single moms and boomers who will be gone in 5 to 10 years. Who else would be outraged? Marvel replacing White superheroes with Black leads? White people aren't the ones making theses shots--it's Asians. Why are you not enraged by them???

People end up hating black people and they're not doing shit to your media. But when a black person like Leshawn is making his own thing it's "how dare you force diversity!!".

>>4072705
Also I'm pretty sure they adapted all the good Marvel stories by now. So who is doing all the blackwashing? It's Asians. Go scream at them, not the independent creator making something for himself first and foremost and then maybe to represent his community 2nd.

>>4072304
How is it forced? I just don't get it with you people, you say " don't force diversity unnaturally, minorities should make their own show !" A black person who has worked in the industry for over a decade, practiced his craft extensively, and finally gets to do a full series... and then you complain " TOO MANY NIGGERS!"

Like to me this is maddening, no one complains that the Japanese fill their stories with Japanese people (though Im sure a loud minority does), and for as much there is talk of diversifying media, most white creators make their cast primarily white. But when a black person makes a show primarily focused around black people its considered forced?

What makes Cannon Busters 'forced" in contrast to any other black anime inspired show (Boondocks for example)? Cause Ive seen this accusation all around /co/ as well and I no one seems to be able to give an answer.

A black person making things with black people in it is not wrong or weird. What kind of characters should they be exclusively (or even just automatically!) designing? White ones? You think that makes any sense?

>>4072304
>>4072717
What you have to consider about positions like these is that they are proxy positions. Their real position is:
>I don't like black people. I don't want black people to appear in any media.
So they pick up these retarded positions and are forced to defend them, and it just evolves and is met with obvious answers. Examples.

Someone with left or neutral views decides to add a black person to their cast:
>Whoa, if race doesn't matter then why make the character black?
Well, because it gets a little closer to the demographics of the area they want to explore and it provided black actors with work. Also, whites aren't the default race.

>Why is it the responsibility of the other races to represent blacks? Why can't they just make their own things?
It's not, and there are black creators. This ultimately stems from a weird position, you don't have to be black to write a black character just like you don't have to be white to write a white character.

>But black people are ugly!
>Not every one is? Also characters and art in general don't have to be physically attractive. Art doesn't have to bow down to the lowest common denominator, even if it is a commercial product.

>Why do black people have to put black people into their art? I'm a little tired of all this F O R C E D D I V E R S I T Y !
You wouldn't ask any other group this question. Why do Japanese anime shows star primarily Japanese people? Why do European and American shows star primarily whites? Why don't the Japanese create work primarily about Europeans? It's because people do things to service their groups and to represent them on the world stage. Everyone is a little biased, and in the case of African Americans they feel they have a lot of work to do catching up (and they probably do).

>Isn't all of this a little Anti-white?
No.

>>4070201
Martin Mystery was a comic?

>>4072705
Hey man, I'm just telling you what most of these people hate to see, not the ones behind it all. Is Netflix also all asians?

>>4069538
Imagine unironically trying to shit on LeSean Thomas. The man runs circles around 99% of /ic/. Dud'es warms up look a dozen times btetter than the chicken scratch some of you crabs fart out. He has crazy worth ethic, skill, and a commendable resume. Dude fucking learned Korean and moved to South Koera to purse a career as an animator. Now he is achieving his goal of producing an anime for a his passion project almost 15+ year.

Why wont crabs and all of the racist tryhard losers just fuck off or kill themselves, instead of doing all of these mental gymnastics to justify their shit slinging? Absolutely pathetic.

You don't HAVE to be a fan of his work by any means, but at the very least give credit where credit is due.

>>4072304
>The thread said it was soulless
>thread is not a single person
>thread is full of discord
holy shit you are an actual moron, aren't you?

>>4073233
Yeah you can tell by those sketches alone he's got some chops

>>4072293
it's his project you faggot

>>4073233
Yeah I don't understand the crabbing. I'm not a fan because it looks generic as hell but this is exactly the kind of stuff that crowdfunding was made for, this is a hardcore weeb who made a passion project, 4chan should celebrate it. FFS even /pol/fags should be happy about this, it's a million times better than SJWs forcefully changing existing material.
If anything it's a shame that this project probably got a lot of its funding because of reasons that have little to do with LeSean's work ethic, skill and commendable resume. In a sea of shitty artists who ride the diversity meme, he's one of the few guys who fucking earned it.

>>4072668
why?

>>4073233
I'll just say ...

I would have liked to see the series with the style shown in the pilot ... I don't know, the previous style looked better for me ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WzLljQjIMA

>>4073296
Yeah that original style looks killer, but it's netflix and they always find a way to fuck something up.

>>4073255
You know damn well that, even if you keep the writing quality and art style, this place will only praise his project if he were a self-hating "based black man" who didn't put any black characters in his work.

>>4073296
Disney/Marvel's Animation department released a proof of concept for a Guardians of The Galaxy show that was very great, but the tv show release was animated by Film Roman studio, who are basic level
>Proof of concept
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLAU6jF0qwY
>Tv Series
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPr5AXT1Kao

When I join a team on an developing animation project, I'm gonna have to calm down and come to terms if we have to kill off the style for budgeting reasons

I'm going to binge the whole thing and report back if it's good. I'm halfway through ep 4 and it's not looking hopeful. If any of you decide to watch it, save your ears and go for the Japanese audio.

>>4072737
The main objection is white characters being replaced by tokens, you fscetious faggot. If this was done to any race but turned European, our (((media))) would be spurred into a frezy.

We called out the declining sales of comics and Netflic subsricbers on Mark Waid and co. shoving this white guilt/great replacement shit down our throats without going anything original.

We refuse to watch the Witcher TV series for ethnically replacing the cast, or virtually any adaptation they touch as long as the US, Arab, and Chinese government subsidies flow to fund this shit. They did the same with The Little Mermaid, a European folktale told by a Danish man. Why nobody likes the soulless Disney remakes stitched together by highly rendered CGI children's toys.

How many European characters have to be replaced for it to be enough? Because as we have proved, this shit isn't selling. And we will refuse to fucking buy it.

>>4073470
I don't defend this, and that wasn't that guy's point.

>>4073296
Its stuff like this why I admire Harry Partridge and OtaKing for sticking to their independence. You can tell how the Japanese studios they hired to coprpduce the project don't give a shit about the source material, and just turned it into a cyberpunk Muthafuckaz (which was also a shitty knock off of a superior original movie/manga series).

>>4073470
NAYRT but...
>The main objection is white characters being replaced by tokens
Your main objection is that not every single character in media is white. You just have an easier time peddling this line of shit
>If this was done to any race but turned European, our (((media))) would be spurred into a frezy.
If what was done? Someone making an original show with original characters?
>We called out the declining sales of comics
Comics have been increasing in sales for 5 years. 2018 was the best year for comic sales in the last 18 years.
>shoving this white guilt/great replacement shit down our throats
The political shit is relegated to like 5 lines. It's retardedly easy to avoid reading political comics. "Shoving it down our throats" my ass
>without going anything original.
Would you prefer Marvel just recycle the same 20 plot lines they've been doing since the 80s? I'll admit that the milkshake crew is dogshit at selling and making comics but creating new lines of new characters to directly address current day politics is a different direction from the old way if dancing around shit via metaphor
>We refuse to watch the Witcher TV series for ethnically replacing the cast
They replaced 1 literal who character with a black lady. And who is this "we" you're referring to?
>How many European characters have to be replaced for it to be enough?
So far you've named 2 characters that have been "replaced". I can't think of any other major instances of "replacement".
>Because as we have proved, this shit isn't selling.
Except for the part where you haven't proved it.

But still you've dodged his point entirely. If you're complaining about replacement then what's your issue with Cannon Busters? A black creator went out and made his own show with his own characters. He isn't "replacing" anyone with anything. The show isn't political in any way either

>>4073488
I think they guy you replied to is making a completely separate point and pretending the guy he was defending was making a different point?

ITT:

>Go MaKe OwN ShOw!!1!1!1!1

Non-white and/or straight person makes their own show

>WhY ArE YoU ShOvInG It DoWn My ThRoAt!1!1!1!11!11!!1!1!

>>4073470
This is his own show, not an adaption. Kill yourself you fucking autist.

>>4073504
>and/or straight person makes their own show
...I'm pretty sure like 98% of show creators are straight, anon. This is nothing out of the ordinary

>>4073516
The phrase is not
>and/or straight
It's
>Non-white and/or straight
As in
>Non-white and/or non-straight
Got it?

>>4073550
>As in
>>Non-white and/or non-straight
Then word it as so to begin with. You've stated something different entirely in the previous post.

>>4073473
His point was based on facetious bullshit. If anon gives a shit, hear the other side out before dropping conjecture.

>>4073488
>not every character is white

We don't give a shit.

Nor do we don't care if a creator goes out of their way to create an original story. Our issue is they continue to remake stories disrespecting the source material replacing European characters with tokens. I just posted a fucking infographic to show the media's singular obsession with replacing redheads. And it isn't just restricted to them.

But keep diverting from this little pattern we picked up on after years of watching this shit unfold.

>comic sales are increasing

Except the articles upon articles stating the exact opposite, all broadcasting Marvel and DCs sales woes in the direct markets. They are reliant on public libraries to make a steady profit after the costs pirates inflict on their digital sales, combined with the death of local comics shops.

Most of the sales were in children's comic books during sales at Scholastic fairs. Issues of recent Marvel and DC comics, however, are on a severe decline. People are going to crowdfunding independent books. The biggest winners being the most vocal against the Big Two's forced diversity practices.

>political comics

Not just comics. And trust me, we are more than happy to raise it to public attention to drop their fucking sales.

Leftwing politics is being shoved down out throats from fucking everywhere. TV remakes replacing roles filled by Europeans with tokens with non justification (see the infographics), video games shoving this nonsense down our throats, Star Wars (which is now suffering the appropriate consequences), children's media, news outlets pouring articles and articles featuring whites celebrating a "childfree, singles life) while featuring the "new Europeans" of minorities with large families, mass migration, etc.

Congrats on biting the hand that fed you. You killed the golden goose.

>>4069538
>soon nigs will be doing anime over the nips
bros...

>>4073504
>creating new characters

You mean reskins of legacy characters?

Miles Morales, who's comic appearances have all been panned by critics and was saved, temporarily, by the animated Spider-Man movie? (Which killed off the blonde Spidermsn and turned Parker into a Jew)?

Kamala Khan, who has faced no real threat or villian and who's power is manipulating her biomass to...enlargen her arms and stretch?

Spider-Gwen, who's entire purpose is to shove IR down our children's throats?

Gwenpool, a childfriendly gender swap of Deadpool, who's shtick got tired after the first few issues and who's appearances have been on the decline?

These are your original characters?

>its just two goy

Scroll up to the infographic.

>T-they're not failing, goy...

Stars Wars merchandise sales are in the gutter, and theme park is a ghost town. Basedlo crashed and burn, and then plot leaks have killed much interest I'm Episode 9.

Comic sales are propped up through Scholastic fairs. Digital sales of the big Two, and comic shop sales, have declined rapidly. The money is in crowdfunding.

Netflix is rapidly losing its subscriber base, going the way of blockbuster as everyone now has a streaming service to watch the old shit.

Captain Marvel becoming the most hated character in Marvel's roster, with Brie Larson's reputation down the gutter.

Disney remakes being critically panned by audiences and critics alike.

Dark Phoenix crashed and burned in the box office.

Gilette losing billions.

I could go on

>>4073557
I'm not the anon who wrote the post. You should expect odd wordings here though, we're in the home of autism.

>>4073583
You're not responding to any of his points.
Spiderman doesn't count for his position.

>inb4 Black Panther

Originally a black character (again, see the main point of contention). An ethnonationalist who's predecessors built a wall to keep put undesirables in the comics.

By the way, people have picked up on the subtext in the ending, how opening up their country to the world would make them easy to exploit by Arab countries, Jews, and rival African tribes.

>but what about Canon Busters
>ITS HIS OWN SHOW!

In broad strokes, Muthafuckaz 2.0. A soulless diversity originally formed as a rehash/mixmash of superior original series (Trigun, Outlaw Star, Cowboy Bebop) that they failed to advertise. Unlike Muthafuckaz which was a joyless void originally as was the studio animation, at least the original trailer Cannon Busters played homage. See Megado Box for a superior and original story thatbpays homage to its roots. And has a tanned lead.

Next.

>>4069538
Watched this and it’s terrible

>>4073588
Anons point is rooted in conjecture. No one gives a shit about a nonwhite cast. The problem is replacing European roles and characters with tokens, and rehashing the same shit over and over with nonwhite casts.

Marvel and DC can burn in their endless rehashes. The market is in crowdfunding.

>>4073597
Not the anon you are responding to... but what does this have to do with Cannon Busters? This is a show based on a comic series that had a primarily black/brown cast, there was no replacing to be done. Anons response was towards accusations that Cannon Busters was "forcing" diversity down people throats... when its just made by a black animator who is a veteran in the industry.

>>4073470
LESEAN THOMAS HAS BEEN WORKING ON CANON BUSTERS FOR OVER A DECADE. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU EVEN TALKING ABOUT?

>>4073599

Just rewatched the trailer.

The characters are white characters with European motifs in their designs plastered with darker skin. The fact the characters are just rehashes from 90's anime characters (Philly the Kid is just a tanned Spike, who is cannonically Jewish; the leading girl's kingdom being fantasy Europe with blondes with dark skin everywhere). The trailer exhibits a pale blonde blue eyed child grinning maniacally while holding a gun, ready to fire).

Yeah, its completely forced. Stripped the charm of a homage the original trailer had, and shat inside of it.

>>4073570
>Nor do we don't care if a creator goes out of their way to create an original story. Our issue is they continue to remake stories disrespecting the source material replacing European characters with tokens
Then why are you in this thread? This thread is about Cannon Busters. This thread isn't about some adaptation
>I just posted a fucking infographic to show the media's singular obsession with replacing redheads.
I don't see an infographic. Did it get deleted or some shit?
>Except the articles upon articles stating the exact opposite, all broadcasting Marvel and DCs sales woes in the direct markets
https://www.comichron.com/yearlycomicssales.html
Seems comics are up. I've tried checking their "top [month] comics" and all I've found is that capes aren't topping the charts, but I can't find a comprehensive sales breakdown to show where Marvel and DC Comics are at specifically. If you have sources then unironically I'd like you to throw me everything you have
>Leftwing politics is being shoved down out throats from fucking everywhere
God forbid.
>video games shoving this nonsense down our throats
There were, what, 4 political games released this year? If you can somehow demonstrate that the majority of even AAA games, let alone indies, are political then by all means.
>children's media
Which shows? I can think of maybe 3 shows that had anything resembling support for left wing policies. Most children don't even watch TV anyways. Ryan's Toy Reviews isn't breaking 300 mil views every vid for no reason.
>news outlets pouring articles and articles featuring whites celebrating a "childfree, singles life
Sources.
>>4073583
>Which killed off the blonde Spiderman
Let's not pretend he was the only casualty in that movie
>and turned Parker into a Jew
Peter B. Is from an alternate universe
>who's entire purpose is to shove IR down our children's throats?
IR?

>>4073612
Okay this is parody I get it now.

>>4073570
Why do you even care about most of this shit? I cant think of any reason why it should affect you. Some black guy made an anime and its lead you to THIS?

>>4073612
>The characters are white characters with European motifs in their designs plastered with darker skin
Who made you an authority on what the characters are and aren't? Philly is still black in the trailer, SAM is a bit closer to middle eastern shade, and the wizard is actually darker.
>Philly the Kid is just a tanned Spike
Except that philly acts completely different and has a whole different shtick
>the leading girl's kingdom being fantasy Europe with blondes with dark skin everywhere
It's very clearly Arabian architecture on the larger buildings. The trailer doesn't even show any crowds except for the little slice of the market which is clearly concept art for a whole separate town full of brown haired people.
>The trailer exhibits a pale blonde blue eyed child grinning maniacally while holding a gun, ready to fire).
Are you blind?

>>4073612
All of this is just outlandish guesswork from your warped perspective. Also, the trailer also features a black woman with a butcher's knife, is the show as anti-black as it is anti-white because of that kid with the gun thing?

>>4073612
>The characters are white characters with European motifs in their designs plastered with darker skin.

I guess? They seem like a pastiche of various cultures (which is basically what every anime, JRPG, and fantasy story does with fictional cultures). I dont particularly get European from (I guess American Wild West). Im not sure why that would be a bad thing, the show is meant for a western audience. Like what exactly would you want?

> The fact the characters are just rehashes from 90's anime characters

This is the one thing I actually agree with you with, it is very derivative of various anime popular on Toonami in the late 90s/ early 2000s.

>the leading girl's kingdom being fantasy Europe with blondes with dark skin everywhere

And supposedly Japanese characters in anime often have multi colored hair and eyes, do you have an issue with that as well?

> The trailer exhibits a pale blonde blue eyed child grinning maniacally while holding a gun, ready to fire

The trailer also highlights a dark skinned women as the primary conflict, and there are black bad guys in the show itself.

Sorry dude, these seem like really weak arguments.

>>4069538
Chad - original

>>4073652
Vs incel

It sure looks like the designs are terrible in the anime.

>>4073623
>infographic in question

Here you go. And this is only the redheads.

>>4073654
I like the new one better desu, the old design seems a bit unnecessarily busy to me. I think they could have kept the fur collar though.

Too bad it's more shonenshit. I love you black people, but there's more to anime than shonen. It's always DBZ, MHA, fighting shit. I'll even take a moe black artist ffs.

>>4073687
Uh not the new one looks cluttered you have bad taste

>>4073623
>comics sales are up

At Scholastic fairs.

>God forbid

Which has run its course and is killing sales. Mark Waid's Antifa endorsement in comic form just one of the most recent casualties.

>not the only casualty

The first, and the one they paid the most attention to detail towards.

>4 political games
Wolfenstein, Cyberpunk 2077 (a slap in the face to the original author), Mortal Kombat, Total War Rome II, Vampire: Theasquerade Bloodlines 2, Watchdogs Legion, etc.

All of which are huge industry titles.

>children's shows

LGBT characters being constantly shoved in or existing characters being turned hay gor virtually no reason. Young Justice, Arthur's Mr. Ratcliffe, The Legend of Korra, Rocko's Modern Life...

Seriously, why the fuck are you dredging up these old shows and then forcing politics into them? Are the leftwing that driven to kill these shows and the audience's connection to them?

>>4073684
22 black characters wow so much force, so much diverse. Who cares loser? You really going to try and convince anyone youre upset that little orphan Annie was portrayed by a black girl because you give a shit about it being cannon? Nobody is going to believe that. It’s just your gripe as a racist, nothing more nothing less.

>>4073707
You watch children’s shows?

>>4073636
You raised the issue that are critiques of the forced diversity are somehow because he is black.

We don't give a flying fuck about the race of the creator. What we are sick of is substandard shit being shoved down our throats because of "diversity".

>>4073716
Nothing is being forced down your throat. That creator is black and he made his own show with characters that share the same race as him. What did you want him to do?

>>4073715
Nah, but this is the shit pur children are being forced to watch. And as parents and uncles and mentors, we watch alongside them to answer questions they have. And we're getting sick of of this shit.

>>4073714
>replacing redheads
>not racist

Pick one

>>4073647
>exactly what you want

Not at all.

>bad black guys

The entire cast is minority with a singular white child emphasized as being deranged.

As much as we want to see what happens to Detroit and Baltimore any given day (the endless noise and mindless shootouts leading to nothing but dead bodies), the intent is not fucking lost on us.

Its diversity for the sake of diversity. Derivitive shit reskinned for political purposes for an audience that (thankfully) doesn't give a shit/Netflix failed to sell to.

>>4073716
Ive no idea where I raised that and I assume you mean someone else.
Who is this “we” you speak of? I ask because often when people say “we” they really mean “me” and are just using fallacy to imply their opinion is a popular one and there is more weight to it, right or wrong. So unless there was a poll perhaps don’t use “we” when talking about yourself.
Anyway, the guys cartoon has not been released yes correct? Yet you’re already talking about “substandard shit”. How can you possibly know? Besides, what you think is substandard might not be to someone else. After all, people did crowd fund it, meaning that there is people out there who like his work enough to pay to see it.
Now why is anything being “shoved down our (your) throats”? How? Are you being tied down and forced to watch this? For course not. It’s got nothing to do with you and you have freedom of choice. You’re not some victim who has had something shoved down his throat against his will so stop behaving like one.
As for the sake of diversity, SO WHAT? So there is ONE crowd funded cartoon with black people in it. It’s a literal piss in the ocean. ITs a minuscule thing. It is nothing for you to be upset about. Besides, nobody came and outlined this was about diversity it just happens to be a black mans creation. I’m sick of you whiny right wing snowflakes trying to drag us back to the 40’s and stop progress for the sake of racism.

>>4073737
Who forces children to watch tv?
They were not “replaced” their image was altered. Only a racist would think that a fictional character having a different skin tone is as if the original one died and now we have some African homonculous.

>>4073737
>does not want diversity for political reasons
>wants only white characters for political reasons

Pick one.

>>4073684
>484x1024
That resolution is shameful.
Anyways half of these are live action remakes that nobody gives a shit about. I guess that's technically moving the goalposts so I'll concede this point.
>>4073707
>At Scholastic fairs.
Sources or stfu
>The first
Why does that matter?
>and the one they paid the most attention to detail towards.
By what metric? Peter's death got just as much screen time as prowler's
>Wolfenstein
Having female protags isn't political or leftist. The game got skewered for its garbage writing though so w/e
>Cyberpunk 2077
What's your issue with 2077? I thought only lefties hated it
>a slap in the face to the original author
You do know that Pondsmith has been a very vocal supporter of the game, right? So unless you have so insider info proving he's just giving out handjobs for pr buzz you can shove it
>Mortal Kombat
I'll give you that one
>Total War Rome II, Vampire: Theasquerade Bloodlines 2, Watchdogs Legion, etc.
Haven't followed the news on these.
>All of which are huge industry titles
You've listed 7 games, only 2 of which I know released this year. Compared to the over 400 titles that have either already released or are planned for release this year (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_in_video_gaming#Game_releases)) and the 5385 that SteamSpy has listed for release or already released (https://steamspy.com/year/)), that sounds like a drop in the bucket.
>Young Justice
LGBT characters exist in comics and have since the 60s. Get over it
>Arthur's Mr. Ratcliffe
One scene in one episode of a 200+ episode series that had no effect on anything else before or afterwards.
>The Legend of Korra
The creators of the show made their character bi. That's not "forced diversity".

>Are the leftwing that driven to kill these shows and the audience's connection to them?
If a character being gay, bi, or trans in inherently left wing then the state of politics is a fucking joke.

You have yet to explain how this all relates to Cannon Busters btw.

>>4073737
>>replacing redheads
>>not racist
Changing a character's appearance or race is not racist. I don't care if leftists say it is or not, it isn't. So unless you can substantiate an argument to prove that point, drop it.
>with a singular white child emphasized as being deranged.
JoJo is an immortal assassin, not a child. Also plenty of the villains are black. In the very first episode one of the assassins after Philly is black. There's also the old black woman and her children who try to kill philly. And the assassin who goes after the prince in Episode 9 is dark skinned
>the endless noise and mindless shootouts leading to nothing but dead bodies
Gb2/pol/
>Its diversity for the sake of diversity
A black person making a show with black characters in it is "forced diversity"? How would you like shows to be created? With some mandate that forces showrunners to include a certain percentage of "white" characters?
>>4073750
>Anyway, the guys cartoon has not been released yes correct?
It has been. It's already on Netflix. I've been watching it while this shitshow thread has been going on

>>4073750
I have freedom of choice of the poison my kids are consuming when its across nearly entertainment medium my children have access to? I certainly have exercised my freedom of choice not to share it. However, they're stuck at the forefront as all their friends watch it. And as impressionable as they are, they sit and watch it with them. They dont think it's normal. They know something is off with it, as my neighbors niece, who loved the original The Little Mermaid and grew up playing with dolls in her image, asked about why they replaced Ariel. That "she's (the new actress) is not Ariel".

It's not just that anymore. We're all talking about it and how sick we are that childrens program is being sprung up from the dead to force LGBT issues and replacing Europeans.

Given violence between Hispanics and Africsn Americans are simmering right now, and the major American cities are growing more violent by the day, you see going to wish for a return to the 50's.

>>4073750
I have freedom of choice of the poison my kids are consuming when its across nearly entertainment medium my children have access to? I certainly have exercised my freedom of choice not to share it. However, they're stuck at the forefront as all their friends watch it. And as impressionable as they are, they sit and watch it with them. They dont think it's normal. They know something is off with it, as my neighbors niece, who loved the original The Little Mermaid and grew up playing with dolls in her image, asked about why they replaced Ariel. That "she's (the new actress) is not Ariel".

It's not just that anymore. We're all talking about it and how sick we are that childrens program is being sprung up from the dead to force LGBT issues and replacing Europeans.

Given violence between Hispanics and African Americans are simmering right now, and the major American cities are growing more violent by the day, you see going to wish for a return to the 50's.

>>4073756
>source
https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamrowe1/2019/05/09/what-the-oni-presslion-forge-merger-says-about-the-shifting-comic-book-industry/#57e340fae630

>The US has an estimatedtotal of less than two millionregular comic book readers, according to Kidman, meaning that while popular titles sell over100,000 copies,the majority move fewerthan 20,000 copies. In addition,the shifting demographics of the readership means that while certain genres likechildren’s graphic novels are doing better than ever, the more traditional genres are losing readers.Small niches are becoming larger and big genres are losing their dominance, leading to alarge industry overall, but one in which superhero comics and the comic book shops that stock them are taking a hit.

>“Industry representatives will be quick to note that 2018 was the biggest year on record for the business, and that publishers brought in nearly $1.1 billion in sales,” saysKidman.”But that number hasn’t changed a great deal in the last four years, and most of the growth was in children’s graphic novels (sales at Scholastic book fairs are way up), not in issues of superhero comics from Marvel or DC. Sales at comic book shops have been declining.”

>>4073755
We'd be happy to fund your original content and characters. Our condition for our money? Stop replacing Europeans in remakes and adaptations.

>>4073779
Great anecdote but it's not an argument. Kids spend 90% of their time watching youtube, not Korra or YJ. https://www.pewinternet.org/2018/05/31/teens-social-media-technology-2018/

https://qz.com/1367506/pew-research-teens-worried-they-spend-too-much-time-on-phones/amp/

>They dont think it's normal
Who is "they". Your niece? Her friends? It surely can't be all teens.

>>4073788
Well firstly your "source" doesn't have a whole lot of hard sales figures in the first place. But I'd like to point out a segment:
>The second takeaway: Comics publishers need licensing deals. “Licensing has sustained and supported comic book publishing from the medium’s earliest days, back in the 1940s. As time has gone on, the need for adaptations and merchandising has only increased,” Kidman says, naming DC and Marvel as the biggest examples: “DC was bought by Warner Bros. for its licensing potential in the late 1960s, and Marvel’s Stan Lee refocused his attention on Hollywood deal-making in the 1970s.”

If your initial argument is "Marvel and DC are dying because of diversity" it would seem that the reality is that Marvel and DC were never so hot to begin with, and the modern era is just a dying fish desperately flopping around for water being misconstrued for something else.

But it's all just conjecture until somebody posts some hard sales figures to compare comic sales over the past few decades.
>>4073805
>We'd be happy to fund your original content and characters
First of all, who is "we". You've refused to state who this "we" is all thread.
Secondly, this thread is about Cannon Busters. A CROWDFUNDED show. Nobody needs your money.
>Stop replacing Europeans in remakes and adaptations.
Good fucking thing that this thread is about AN ORIGINAL ANIME WITH ORIGINAL, NON-ADAPTED CHARACTERS.

autistic faggots. all of you.

>>4073756

I recall Cyberpunk 2077 started doi ng the whole trans shit with manipulating their gender. Just bore witness to the shitstorm that flew under my radar. I won't be buying the game, but I'm glad the creator stood his ground.

If they confirm that feature will be removed, I may reconsider and purchase the game.

Moving forward...

>LGBT being forced

Poorly written, constantly forced in halfhazardly by lazy and untalented writers to push sales, serve no purpose, etc.

>Mr. Ratcliffe

A change which permanently affects the series canon, nothing which was built up for. Slapped in just for diversity points.

>Korra

Done at the very last minute. No development, completely throws the romance love triangle built up between Mako, Asami, and Korra put for no reason (granted, they should have buried it). All to patch up the series terrible writing in the laziest way possible.

>inherently leftwing

Then why are they constantly pushing it in media and delivering it in the most forced and obstrusive ways fucking imaginable?

There's a manga featuring a Japanese man living with his foreign, bearish husband that is better than any of these forced, tacked on decisions done by checklist. Scott Pilgrim handled the roommates coming out well. Why the fuck is this so damn hard for the left?

This retard just wants to have an off-topic rant to show off how "red-pilled" he is.

what the fuck does any of this shit have to do with this project, it's an original thing, no redheads were harmed in the making of this cartoon
I thought the SJW hate was backed by reason on this site but you're going full retard on this

>>4070419
Crowdfunding itself kills the projects it births. Hype is not sustainable, you show upcoming shit today and no matter how much everyone likes it, they'll have moved on by the time it actually comes out.

That's why cult classics tend to be media with little to no marketing presence.

>>4073835
>Poorly written, constantly forced in halfhazardly by lazy and untalented writers to push sales, serve no purpose, etc.
A subjective claim. You're just throwing around buzzwords and expecting me to take you at your word
>nothing which was built up for
Arthur doesn't really do continous canon. Also I cam easily see that being a lose-lose scenario. If they build it up they get bitched at for "forcing it down our throats", if they do it one-off it's "forced diversity".
>Slapped in just for diversity points.
Can you prove that the creators put it in for diversity sake or ate you just saying that because you don't like it? Arthur is a series that tackles a lot of real world issues to teach kids about real life. Gay people get married in real life.
>>Korra
I'll be honest, I don't know enough about Korra to defend this point. I'm sure /co/ has already had the argument over Korra a hundred times anyways.
>Then why are they constantly pushing it in media and delivering it in the most forced and obstrusive ways fucking imaginable?
Your definition of forced seems to be very loose.
>There's a manga featuring a Japanese man living with his foreign, bearish husband that is better than any of these forced, tacked on decisions done by checklist.
Maybe you should take it upon yourself to do some long form essay to demonstrate how diversity can be done the right way, if you care so much about the topic.

Anyways you've still yet to demonstrate how any of this is related to Cannon Busters. Why are we talking about children's shows instead of the show in the op? I'll also point out that you keep refusing to answer most of my points in this thread. I'm not sure why you keep dropping subjects so quickly...

>>4072284
>It’s not forced, black people exist
Not where I live, I'm still forced to watch blacks in literally every ad and media piece because you fags are obsessed with them. It feels like some science fiction reptilian invasion. And don't bullshit me about "representation" because I looked it up and it turns out hispanics are three times larger a minority than blacks are in the USA and yet there's not a single fucking hispanic being shoved in media. You don't give a shit about representing realistic demographics, you just want to force your bbc fetish down everyone's throats.

>>4073859
I agree with this and it can get retarded to the point where you pay for a thing and receive it half a decade later when you completely forgot about it, but it's mostly an issue with large projects with tons of tiers and other bloat, not crowdfunding per se. If you just want to print a book it doesn't take a lot of time.
The issue is the majority of projects do not even manage to get to a funding stage. I thought crowdfunding would bring a shitton of variety.

>>4073684
Jews fear the irish apparently.

>>4073865
ok anon but this is literally a black guy's personal project, I think he's allowed to put as many niggas as he wants in his work
forced diversity is shit and it's annoying as fuck to see gay people in kids cartoons, but this is a problem with retarded self-hating white people and the tranny mafia

>>4073865
>Not where I live,
Media doesn't have to cater to you or take place in whatever region you live in.
>yet there's not a single fucking hispanic being shoved in media
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Fictional_Hispanic_and_Latino_American_people
https://m.imdb.com/list/ls000020393/

Mind you that these lists are incomplete and are missing swaths of characters.

>>4073889
>67 hits for the third largest ethnic group in the world and what's set to be the majority of americans by 2050.
>meanwhile nogs EVERYWHERE despite being 13% and declining.
Keep telling yourself it's not a psy op.

>>4073889
>blacks are everywhere and can be anything
>hispanics are drastically under represented and are mostly taco taco burrito burrito
Not reassuring.

>>4073854
>I thought the SJW hate was backed by reason on this site

No it isn't and it never was. This site is full of people on the other end of the autism spectrum from sjws. It's "Reee niggers" "reee faggots" "reee trannies" through and through. No matter the topic, they need to worm their politics into the discussion.

>>4073813
>Youtube
>streaming services

Which host these shows because cable is dying fast. Thanks for wasting time.

>crowdfunded

Largely by whites to fund a man's dream. Apparently in the Kickstarters comments section, there's some buyers remorse going on.

A lot of complaints.

>>4073861
Marvel (and to some extent, DC) hired people for positions solely on the argument that they'd be better writers for diverse characters for simply looking like a character or representing that demographic, irrespective of talent. Riri William and gay Iceman became one of the most hated characters due to this policy, to say nothing of the original works they pushed.

>gay people get married in real life

Four percent of the US population is gay. Why reboot children's shows just to force this in children's faces?

The fact its everywhere in these childrens shows makes the whole effort read as politically-driven at best.

>related to Cannon Busters

A series that banked on diversity and failed, according to poor Netflix advertisement and buyers remorse in the kickstarter comments section. Yet criticism against it is deemed racist, and we're supposed to bow to this guy jidt because he's black?

If his product fails his audience, that's on him. No amount of clowns deflecting, and pointing the finger exalts him over a group of novices on a Mongolian basket weaving forum, for pointing this out and learning from his mistakes.

>>4073903
Pot meet kettle. If you can't handle the heat, get the fuck out of the flames.

>>4073903
SJWs are literal bullies, 4chan is mostly made up of bullied peopel. No shit we can't get along.

On top of that they keep infringing on things we value like freedom of expression, anonymity, non-conformity, black humor, etc. You're just being a contrarian for contrarianism's sake if you think 4chan could ever not troll/reee at SJW shit.

>>4073907
I'm not the one bringing up infographics and complaining about forced diversity in a thread about cheap imitation anime. How about you stay on topic, and stop acting like throwing around your irrelevant grievances with fictional niggers to show how much you fit in is something to be proud of?

>>4073913
Bit of a hypocritcal victim complex you got there but anyways, here's the problem: This place doesn't just sperg out over sjw shit. Tell me, what is sjw about this man and his cartoon? What is this dude infringing on? What is he trying to censor?

>>4073894
>An incomplete listing of characters means that Mexicans don't exist and that it's all a big hoax
I'm not a master of all media, I don't have a magical list of every single hispanic character in media ever and that Wikipedia list is very clearly incomplete, evidenced by the fact that Blanka and Speedy Gonzalez are missing from the list.
>>4073904
>Thanks for wasting time
I guess your anecdotal "evidence" isn't wasting time then? Very important stuff.
>Largely by whites
Can you demonstrate that the majority of backers on this project were white? Or that their disagreements are due to the political reasons you have put forth and not other reasons?
>Four percent of the US population is gay.
Just because something happens infrequently doesn't mean we should not teach children about it. Earthquakes are exceedingly rare in my state and yet kids have 8 earthquake drills a year.
Why reboot children's shows just to force this in children's faces?
Korra, Arthur, and Young Justice are not reboots. And by what standard are you claiming all of those are "forcing them in children's faces"? How would you prefer those topics be handled?
>A series that banked on diversity and failed
Having black characters is "banking on diversity"? I didn't see anything mentioning race in the trailer or pilot kickstarter.
>Yet criticism against it is deemed racist,
By whom? Can you point to a single post in this thread that says this?
>>4073913
>like freedom of expression,
You seem to be adverse to any form of artistic expression featuring minority characters though. Weird.

>>4073913
>>4073916
Basically, what I'm saying is that you're just right-leaning sjws. Irrational, don't know how to shut the fuck up and make a huge deal over trivial shit because it challenges your world-view, feel the need to shove it into hobbies, can't stand the idea of things you don't like existing, etc. While some assholes are seething over sexualized characters in an anime, other assholes are seething about a black dude making a shounen knock off with black characters.

>>4073916
>What is this dude infringing on?
In all honesty I don't care if a nog makes a cartoon. Black Dynamite was heavily influenced by anime while being its own thing. And it was pretty good even if it went through bullshit nigger talking points in few of its episodes.

What irks me are non-japs nonsensically copying anime style. I mean what the fuck, why? There always was some overlap like Ulysses 31, Mysterious Cities of Gold and the like but they were always makreted as cartoons first and foremost. Now it's LOOK A NOG made an animu like them sm0l yellow folk. Now Kevin Smith is making Masters of the Universe ANIME. Seriously, fuck off with that shit. It's just pathetic. I'm not the biggest fan of anime (I mean I like some specific things like VOTOMS, Lupin the Third, Gunsmith Cats or Monster) yet I can understand the appeal, but there is a reason anime has its own bracket and - among other things - its due to the cultural divide. A nigger or a pasty former fatso can't make a fucking anime. They can just pay rice-niggers wage-slaving in the animation sweatshops to make their fanfics a reality.

>>4069538
>small nose
nigger has the biggest nose flare ever, why they want to be whitewashing so much?

>>4073916
>>4073920
>>4073923
Difference is we go "niggers reeeeeeeeeeee" and forget about it in the morning to whine about something else. They (you, maybe) dox people, harass employers, assault people in the street and as evidenced here will try to smother any dissenting opinions.

We don't actually hate others (that much), we just notice things and like to point them out through hyperbole and drama. They won't rest until everyone who thinks different is canceled.

>>4073920
>Just because something happens infrequently doesn't mean we should not teach children about it. Earthquakes are exceedingly rare in my state and yet kids have 8 earthquake drills a year.

Abnormal behaviours should be marginalised and not encouraged. If you don't do that it leads to the "currentyearism" where definitions for the very basic strucutres of society have to be changed to cater to ever increasing number of groups that will never exceed a couple of percent of total population, yet they usurp the right to dictate how the society at large has to be run. Every minority is a crack in the society, loud minorities with the power of moral blackmail are like a fucking hole.

And sure, you can teach children whatever but in proper context. Don't go around teaching kids that schizophrenia is an alternative way of viewing reality. Around 1% of people have it and it's copletely natural. Doesn't mean it's normal or healthy.

>>4073932
>What irks me are non-japs nonsensically copying anime style
you know what irks me? when people make money selling intellectual property they have no rights to instead of making new shit.
there is no copyright on anime, by this reasoning you should be mad at Otomo or Miyazaki for being influenced by Moebius and breaching the "cultural divide"
I've seen Japanese people cook spaghetti with tomato sauce and I learned to make norimaki and onigiri, if only one of these two makes you upset you are seriously biased.

>>4073943
I've never seen so much bullshit and delusion in a single post.

>>4073932
Thank you for sticking to the topic. Projects like these would fare better if they weren't trying too hard to be anime in the first place. If I were in that position, the last thing I want to do is try and make it Japanese since I find a lot of their fictional tropes and inflections unsubtle and obnoxious.

>>4073943
>and forget about it in the morning to whine about something else.
Clearly some of you are keeping tabs because it took no time at all for one of you to list off every single video game, comic (as well as a few authors), and cartoon that they got pissed about this year.
>They (you, maybe) dox people, harass employers, assault people in the street
Conservatives never dox people? Really?
>and as evidenced here will try to smother any dissenting opinions.
God forbid that I disagree with you. I'm not preventing you from posting, I haven't falsely reported any posts, and I've tried my hardest to be fair, civil, and avoid logical fallacies. What more would you like?
>We don't actually hate others (that much), we just notice things and like to point them out through hyperbole and drama
>lol dude it's all just a big joke. Don't worry about it.
Sure thing.
>>4073949
>Abnormal behaviours should be marginalised and not encouraged.
I didn't know that having LGBT characters somehow encouraged people to... become LGBT? I'm not sure that's even possible but alrighty.
>If you don't do that it leads to the "currentyearism" ...
What are you on about?
>but in proper context.
And could you enlighten us as to what "proper context" is regarding minorities and LGBT?
>Doesn't mean it's normal or healthy
Firstly, nobody is saying schizophrenia is normal or healthy. Secondly, false equivalence. Schizophrenia and being gay are not the same thing or similar.
>>4073932
People like the style dude. There's an entire general on this board dedicated to learning the nippon style. People will always want to copy what they like, regardless of how effectively their efforts ultimately are.
>A nigger or a pasty former fatso can't make a fucking anime
Somebody posted LaSean's art earlier in the thread and it seemed pretty good and genre-accurate.

>>4073954
Are you so simple-minded that you can't even make a distinction between being influenced by something and dropping all pretenses of a creative process and just copying it? Like I said, Black Dynamite is clearly influenced by anime yet it had an actual original spin on it. Most of cyberbunk anime was influnced by the look of Blade Runner. Influence is nothing to be ashamed of. Copying is.

Your analogy is actually pretty great. People want to eat foreign cuisine. Would you rather eat your shitty-to-decent knock-off or park your ass in a good Japanese-run restaurant? In any case you still realise it's not "your food", you're just eating Japanese dishes, from japanese recipes trying to recreate a sliver of japanese culture. Also food is pretty much a simple thing, mostly part of the material culture. A complex medium would be a part of the symbolic culture. And a random nigger or semi-funny hack from America has zero chance of capturing it.

>>4073859
This. It is useful for comic creators who already have a significant portion of the comic done and other small scale projects, but it is rife with scams and incompetent developers. Without financial backing from a major publisher, like what Lab Zero managed to accomplish with Skullgirls and Indivisible, you're shit out of luck when development costs start to bite.

And honestly, looking at how drastically Cannon Busters changed from its original trainer to now, I'm not surprised they are feeling betrayed.

>>4073920

>by whom?

Scroll up and browse the catalogue. There have been two threads and everytime someone criticizes the show, some shill immediately accuses the critic of racism.

Or somehow the man's relative definition of success after production costs somehow makes white and Asian creators less relevant? That the critiques against a homage turned soulless diversity schlock are less valid because of a creator's ethnicity?

>no mention of race

Google. Numerous articles trying to sell the series based on diversity despite bad reviews.

>artistic expression of minority characters

Megado Box. Us. Shaft. Black Panther. Coco. Kubo and the Two Strings. Numerous Japanese anime and manga series such as Vagabond and Mushishi. The man's earlier work in the Boondocks and Black Dynamite.

Start with a tighter definition, then we'll work from there.

I’m sick of this idiots forced discrimination.

If you don’t want your kids to find out that gay and black people exist, go homeschool them and let them grow up like bizarre retards who cant navigate the world like all home school anti vax Christian cult kids almost always do.

>>4073949
You know, most societies don’t see lgbt people as abnormal.

>>4073969
>There have been two threads and everytime someone criticizes the show, some shill immediately accuses the critic of racism.
Are you talking about the black artist thread? The disagreement there seemed to be people crabbing about black artists or something. No mention of cannon busters.
>Or somehow the man's relative definition of success after production costs somehow makes white and Asian creators less relevant?
Who said that this guy succeeding makes other people irrelevant?
>That the critiques against a homage turned soulless diversity schlock are less valid because of a creator's ethnicity?
The "critiques" in this thread seem to be invalid because they're entirely subjective, unsubstantiated, and mostly related to complaining that the characters are black. I think I saw 2 genuine crits in this thread
>Numerous articles trying to sell the series based on diversity despite bad reviews.
3rd party news sites aren't official marketing. Just because other people want to sell diversity doesn't mean that netflix or LeSean are selling diversity.
>Megado Box. Us. Shaft. Black Panther. Coco. Kubo and the Two Strings. Numerous Japanese anime and manga series such as Vagabond and Mushishi. The man's earlier work in the Boondocks and Black Dynamite.
Alright. I'll concede that point. Fair is fair
>Start with a tighter definition
Does "the show in the op" count as a tight enough definition? Because I've been dying to actually see the thread talk about Cannon Busters.

>>4073969
But nobody made claims of racism because of criticism. People here and on /co/ can express how they think the show is bland and uninspired just fine. It's the ones who are making a big fuss about the fact that the creator and characters are black who are getting called racist.

>>4073962
>I didn't know that having LGBT characters somehow encouraged people to... become LGBT? I'm not sure that's even possible but alrighty.

Normalising abnormal behaviour leads to acceptance. And it is possible to "become LGBT" as a result of childhood sexual trauma:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11501300

These people need clinical help. While I accept that there is a genetic component to homosexuality not all homosexuals are afflicted by this aberration. Also there is a clear distinction between homosexual behaviour and homosexuality itself.

>What are you on about?
I'm on about people of certain political presuasion whining about how in "current year" you can't hold certain beliefs, like that there are only two genders or that marriage and family, the basic cornerstone of society, can be only heterosexual.

>And could you enlighten us as to what "proper context" is regarding minorities and LGBT?
Like an aberrant behaviour that it is. Society gains nothing promoting acceptance for these people. It only splinters further.

>Firstly, nobody is saying schizophrenia is normal or healthy. Secondly, false equivalence. Schizophrenia and being gay are not the same thing or similar.
While their etiology is certainly different they are both abnormal and ultimately useless for society at large. Homosexuality is promoted as normal and equal to heterosexuality. It's not. Dimorphism exists for a reason and sexual attraction to people of the same sex, prebuscent children, anials, tree trunks, baguettes or anything that's not of the opposite sex and adult is not normal. And judging by how rife homosexual "community" is with all kinds of diseases it's not heatlhy either.

>>4073988
It’s not “abnormal behavior” though. There has been gay folk since the beginning. They don’t need “clinical help”. That’s simply just your opinion, which I believe is based on bigotry.

>>4073962
It is all a big joke. The reason antifa is out there punching people and shooting festivals while we shitpost intensely then calm down and go on with our neet lives is exactly because we can come to the asshole of the internet and relieve our anger throwing shit to the wind, meanwhile they keep focusing on their microagressions and ever increasing the scope of people who triggers them.

Intersectionality is pretty much designed to cultivate wrath in people. And the difference between SJWs and social justice activists is that they've made it their religion and weaved it into every aspect of their beign, so they don't have an outlet to disenfranchise from that wrath like we do.

I'm glad Thomas made his dreams come true, but I'm not gonna pretend there's a disgusting push for the blackening (not diversifying, as pointed out asians and hispanics don't get this extreme push in media despite being larger demos) of culture in white-majority countries. And I hope he's at least a little bit angry about the self-flagelating white guilt bbc fetishism in media and the disgust it causes could stain his project with a stigma he doesn't desserve.

>>4073962
>keeping tabs

Given it's become such a repeat occurence...

>conservatives doxxing people

When was the last time a conservative media outlet or figure do what Castro did?

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/business/joseph-vazquez/2019/08/09/ny-times-admits-castros-doxxed-trump-supporter-deluged

>by constantly portraying LGBT as some subversive, powerful act that commands social acceptance, surely others wom't pretend to be it?

You're joking, right? That is entirely the reason why a lot of youth are pretending to be gay: because it gives them (in their minds, and in liberal shitholes) an easy pass to be socially accepted by their peers.

>false equivalence

https://www.cdc.gov/msmhealth/STD.htm

>Sexually Transmitted Diseases (STDs)have been rising among gay and bisexual men, with increases in syphilis being seen across the country. In 2014, gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men accounted for 83% of primary and secondary syphilis cases where sex of sex partner was known in the United States. Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men often get other STDs, including chlamydia and gonorrhea infections.HPV (Human papillomavirus), the most common STD in the United States, is also a concern for gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men. Some types of HPV can cause genital and anal warts and some can lead to the development of anal and oral cancers. Gay, bisexual, and other men who have sex with men are 17 times more likely to get anal cancer than heterosexual men. Men who are HIV-positive are even more likely than those who do not have HIV to get anal cancer.

>>4069538

>>4074000
STD’s ebb and flow with every group, gay or straight. Youre relying on fallacy.

>>4073995
>There has been gay folk since the beginning.
There have been insane, retarded or malformed people since the beginning as well, this doesn't make them normal.
Being gay is not normal, in the literal sense of the word. All the legbutt community is 5% of the population, and much less than that if you exclude people who were brainwashed into it. Should being gay be accepted since it's just sexual preference? Yes. Should it be regarded as normal? No. Should it be glorified and taught to kids? Fuck no. Should a crippling mental illness such as gender dysphoria be conflated with things such as sexual orientation? Absolutely fucking not.

>>4073976
>most societies
Islamic cultures throw them off buildings. Most african cultures kill them on sight or have open homophobic lawmaking. Asian cultures consider them ridiculous and/or inherently evil and petty. Hispanics are weird in that despite being a macho culture they allow a lot of feminine behaviors in men but still are openly homophobic. Slavic countries are also openly homophobic.

Only anglos bend over to exalt LGBT rights. France and Germany tolerate them for EU money.

>>4074001
HURRR DURR BIG NAISE AND LIP BLAKS LOL

Man, you’re an idiot.

>>4073976
All societies view homosexuals as abnormal. I know that kumbaya bullshit is widespread and some people like to cite how them red Injuns had third gender, that there are societies here and there that ascribe to them some special status. But they are always "special", abnormal. On top of that the same people can't seem to understand that they are always talking about very primitive societies. Failed societies that didn't amount to anything above hunter-gatherer stage. They don't like to talk about how the heathen Germans described by Tacitus drowned homosexuals in bogs. Or how the Aztecs punished homosexual acts by either impaling the perpetrator or dragging his intestines out through his anus. The funny thing? They actually had a god for male prostitution and homosexuality. Even friggin Greece that's being lauded as some homo-paradise was a heavily regulated system of pederasty combined with actual misogyny (not the modern diluted term with no meaning, actual belitteling and disdain for women). The "exclusive homosexuality" was actually frowned upon and laughed at. Aristophanes in his comedies derided Agathon for not having relations with women.

So sod off with that "homopositive" vision of societies. It's not true.

>>4074020
You'll feel dumb when posts not too far from that start pouring in from twitter.

>>4073995
There have been pedophiles "since the beginning" (whatever that means). And schizophrenic people. Probably people with down syndrome. By that definition everything that exists in nature is normal, which I believe is pure stupidity. Normal means presented by a vast majority of people.

>>4074016
Yes there have been insane people, but that’s an argumentative fallacy you’re using there so you’re not really making any point. Being gay is normal, what evidence do you have to say its not apart from you don’t think it is? You’re just making claims without evidence. Can you prove people are brainwashed into being gay? Of course not that’s just you making bold claims without evidence. Why do you say gay people shouldn’t be accepted as normal? You’re just claiming that without evidence. Why shouldn’t kids be taught that gay people exist? You’re just saying they shouldn’t without evidence. Is being gay a crippling mental illness? Perhaps you might struggle with being gay but you’re just saying it is without evidence. Facts don’t care about your feelings and all of what you said is just your feelings without reasoning. You just don’t want people to like the things you don’t like.

I will only accept my new diversity anime overlords if they promise to make moeshit featuring feminine boys of african descent (bonus points for josou seme)

I need desperate sleep so sorry for shit obvious errors
good night fellow crabs

>>4073988
>And it is possible to "become LGBT" as a result of childhood sexual trauma
And how does that relate to cartoons?
>not all homosexuals are afflicted by this aberration
I appreciate the choice of dehumanizing language. Really gives credence to the argument
>Also there is a clear distinction between homosexual behaviour and homosexuality itself.
And what is that distinction?
>I'm on about people of certain political presuasion whining about how in "current year" you can't hold certain beliefs,
Thank you for clarifying, but now you still have to demonstrate how having minority characters inherently leads to this phenomenon
>Like an aberrant behaviour that it is. Society gains nothing promoting acceptance for these people. It only splinters further.
So the true intentions are revealed. Gay characters should be treated the same way you treat mental patients. I guess I could ask you to explain your reasoning but you'd just spout more bullshit with nothing to back it up
>abnormal and ultimately useless for society at large
Useless by what metric? And why should society eliminate useless things? I could point to a hundred "useless" things, although ultimately I'd propose that nothing is truly useless anyways.
>Dimorphism exists for a reason
Appeal to nature. Humans do many unnatural or abnormal things. Once upon a time a belief in magic was normal. I mean shit, murder and theft are some of the oldest existing human behaviours. Are those "normal"? Should they be encouraged?
>And judging by how rife homosexual "community" is with all kinds of diseases it's not heatlhy either.
The elderly community has insanely high rates of STIs, I don't see any advocates for mass euthanasia. I doubt though that you could demonstrate that STIs are inherent to homosexuality and not just a product of other factors.

>>4074030
Humans are a sexually dimorphic species and need two sexes to procreate. Sex drive is an evolutionary mechanism that facilitates procreation. Derailed sex drive where the object of desire is not of the opposite sex and age proper for procreation is abnormal. Existing in nature doesn not equate normal. Besides, homosexual behaviour is something separate from actual exclusive homosexuality.

The burden of proof actually lies on people claiming homosexuality is somehow normal. Being homosexual doesn't have to be crippling, many ilnesses aren't. There are functioning paedophiles and psychopaths. And yet they are still not normal. The only argument I hear over and over is the on of "consent". But consent makes things consensual, not normal. That's the logical fallacy your view is predicated upon.

>>4074030

>>4074000
>Given it's become such a repeat occurence...
You're deflecting.
>When was the last time a conservative media outlet or figure do what Castro did?
>>by constantly portraying LGBT as some subversive, powerful act that commands social acceptance, surely others wom't pretend to be it?
Ebin strawman. I'm sure you can demonstrate that a majority of portrayals of LGBT characters show it being a "subversive" act
>Muh STDs
Alright now demonstrate that this is inherently to homosexuality, and explain why the elderly have such high STD rates and why you aren't screeching about old people.
>inb4 moving goalposts
Your argument is that being gay is harmful, right? Then you can't just point to STDs, you have to prove that being gay will undoubtedly produce the same harmful effects as untreated schizophrenia and not just point to a bunch of reckless people and pretend that that's what being gay is.
>>4074016
>normal
Define this word. In specific, unmistakable terms.
>Should it be glorified
Define glorification. Because showing characters being themselves is not "glorification"
>and taught to kids?
Can you explain why kids shouldn't be taught that gay people exist?
>>4074028
>by a vast majority of people.
There's those weasel words. What, SPECIFICALLY, is "a vast majority".
>>4074046
>Being homosexual doesn't have to be crippling, many ilnesses aren't
By what definition is homosexuality an "illness".
>The burden of proof actually lies on people claiming homosexuality is somehow normal
The burden of proof lies on whoever makes the claim first. You keep saying "it's not normal" but fail to define normal, fail to explain why abnormal things shouldn't be shown in media, or demonstrate how it is harmful.
>>4074052
>Oops, no sources
Ebin maymay frogfucker

>>4074046
You’re confusing sex for procreation with sex for sexuality now. This may be a shock to you but people aren’t breeding machines, some choose not to breed, some choose to have homosexual relationships and that’s perfectly normal and acceptable.

>>4074052
No sources and there’s more than likely outside circumstances such as bigotry and discrimination. One could assume bigots are responsible for driving people to suicide.

>>4074066
Or maybe plastic surgery has never made anyone happy and it's a predatory industry that keeps getting away with murder when what we need is better funding for mental health.

>>4074041
>And how does that relate to cartoons?
You asked. I answered. You thought that nothing can indluence sexual "orientation". Can cartoons do that? I doubt it. They can however normalise deviancy in the eyes of children.

>I appreciate the choice of dehumanizing language.(...)
And what exactly is dehumanising about it?

>And what is that distinction?
One's based on (apparently) unchangeable affliction and the other is any kind of homosexual behaviour engaged in by people who are not technically homosexuals. Think pederasty system in ancient Greece or most animal behaviour that's based on releasing sexual tension or aserting dominance.

>Thank you for clarifying,(...)
Pushing out normality out of cartoons in favor of presenting aberrant behaviours not suitable for children is definitely part of that discourse.

>So the true intentions are revealed. (...)
I backed it up with plenty of arguments, you're just too narrow-minded to see. And yes, homosexualism should be treated as something to be frowned upon. It's a better alternative for it to be encoured and shown to kids as something normal.

>Useless by what metric?
Demographic for starters. Also families and marraiges have privileges because they are a cornerstone of society. Homosexual "relationships" should not be legally recognised. They are not an added value.

>Appeal to nature. (...)

Sexual drive, like eating and defecation, is the most basic thing. Your hubris is laughable. I will appeal to nature because nature dictates our very being and most of our behaviour. Ever heard of evolutionary psychology or cultural anthropology? Murder was detrimental to societies and not so wide-spread as you think. It was always more a case of might makes right. We still have that but in different forms.

>>4074041
>The elderly community has insanely high rates of STIs,
Elderly earned their keep, raised their kids etc. STDs are not INHERENT to homosexuality, just one of many risks related to being homosexual. Higher risks of anal cancer in homosexual men and throat cancer in women. That's what happens when you stick things where they don't belond and can't form meaningful relationships (yes, homos have shorter ralationships and more partners, again, more risk).

>>4074063
>You’re confusing sex for procreation with sex for sexuality now. This may be a shock to you but people aren’t breeding machines, some choose not to breed, some choose to have homosexual relationships and that’s perfectly normal and acceptable.

People are breeding machines. Free will doesn't negate the basic biological imperative we have. You can choose not have children, sure but only in that very cosy space of our civilisation where contraception is wide-spread. Having a sex drive means having children. Unless you're sick.

Homosexuals are not CHOOSING to have same-sex relationships. Exclusive homosexuality derailed their sex drive and they can only obrain satisfaction with people of the same sex.

>>4074080
>You asked. I answered
Except you didn't answer. I asked how having lgbt characters encourages people to magically become LGBT. You posted a study about rape trauma.
>And what exactly is dehumanising about it?
The term "aberration" typically has a negative connotation. Affliction implies that it's some kind of harmful disease.
>engaged in by people who are not technically homosexuals
Attraction to men is homosexuality. If you're willing to fuck a dude you're gay/bi.
>Pushing out normality out of cartoons in favor of presenting aberrant behaviours not suitable for children is definitely part of that discourse.
So it's (allegedly) an element of a phenomenon engaged in by an extreme fringe of a subset of american politics. That doesn't explain how or why having lgbt characters leads to currentyearism directly.
>I backed it up with plenty of arguments, you're just too narrow-minded to see
I've refuted those arguments. I've very clearly demonstrated what you would need to present to convert me. You just suck ass at making arguments.
>And yes, homosexualism should be treated as something to be frowned upon
Finally, a fucking definitive statement. Jeez that was hard. So anyways now that you've made your statement I'd like you to actually explain why that is. And don't go to that "it's not normal" fallacy because you've yet to define normal or explain why abnormal things should be frowned upon.
>Demographic for starters
Something being a minority doesn't make it useless.
>Also families and marraiges have privileges because they are a cornerstone of society
Sure.
>Homosexual "relationships" should not be legally recognised.
Why.
>They are not an added value
By what metric.
>Sexual drive, like eating and defecation, is the most basic thing
Eating can be harmful. Defacation can be harmful. Basic things are not inherently always to our benefit

>>4074061
>There's those weasel words. What, SPECIFICALLY, is "a vast majority".
At least one standard deviation from the mean, which means 68%. But we can even go two standard deviations, that'd still be 95%. So no cookie for a homo. And don't be triggered by the word devation. It's not dehumanising, it's statistical.

>By what definition is homosexuality an "illness".
By what definition psyhopathy or pedophilia is? The latter is considered a mental disorder and yet it doesn't really fit the most common definitions. Trouble with defining a problem doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

>The burden of proof lies on whoever makes the claim first. You keep saying "it's not normal" but fail to define normal, fail to explain why abnormal things shouldn't be shown in media, or demonstrate how it is harmful.
I did all that, maybe you're just processing it slowly. I'll wait.

>>4074086
Actually its not hard to not have children. Not difficult at all.
>sick
You’re claiming that without evidence.
Homosexuals still have a sex drive, there is nothing derailed about it. They are people who are subjectively attracted to members of the same sex. They prefer the attributes of the same sex. Just because your parameters of sexual attraction are different, does not mean that you’re right, that others are “sick” or “derailed”. Those are just claims you make because you cant cope with people being differ to you. Are you sub mental? Your ideas come across as developmentally retarded views.

>>4074080
> will appeal to nature because nature dictates our very being and most of our behaviour.
Can you prove that homosexuality is unnatural? Can you demonstrate why we should blindly follow nature? And what things, exactly, are natural? Are large societies natural? What is your criteria for natural
>and not so wide-spread as you think.
Murder has been present in every single society across human history. Murder is a legitimate evolutionary strategy.
>>4074082
>Elderly earned their keep, raised their kids etc
If gays started raising kids would you then give them a pass to do whatever?
>just one of many risks related to being homosexual
Is it one of the risks of being homosexual or one of the risks of unprotected sex? It can be logically proven that unprotected sex leads to STDs. It cannot, and has not, been proven that being gay will give me an STD.
>>4074101
>At least one standard deviation from the mean, which means 68%. But we can even go two standard deviations, that'd still be 95%.
I'll accept this definition. But then this means that basically any activity that isn't engaged in by 68% of the population is abnormal and should be discouraged, right?
>Trouble with defining a problem doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Yeah but you're saying homosexuality is an illness and then not demonstrating why
>I did all that
Fuckin where my dude? I'd like you to point to a single piece of "evidence" you posted where you did not get a satisfactory response from me and I will rectify the issue

>>4074095
Not that guy, but homesexuality should be frowned upon social because it leads to the decay of society and traditional values that have sustained our way of life.

For example:

>homosexuals should be allowed to marry
Ok, but why? It’s a desecration of a traditional ritual based on a religion that sees that as unethical, by doing so you are deliberately destroying the moral foundation of the religion.

Marriage aside, homosexual couples are not a healthy unit for a stable family. Sure the argument can be made that they could adopt kids, but without a biologicaly maternal or paternal in the household, the kid will develop issues. It’s a similar story with single parent households. And family is the bedrock of all civilization. You destroy that, and society will surely but inevitably collapse.

And I haven’t even gotten into how homosexual couples are much more promiscuous, much more prone to domestic violence, and much mire prone to mental illness and STIs. So with all that in mind, why should society openly accept homosexual couples as a “normal” part of life equal to heterosexual couples whose unity is done so to create a stable family unit to sustain society?

It’s a similar but much more dramatic extreme for transexuality as well, which even moreso tries to deconstruct traditional gender norm in order to validate its own existence.

Once again, all of these things clearly and evidently lead to the decay of society in the name of progress. Should those people be persecuted? No. It’s a tricky situation isn’t it though? Between the liberties of the individual though and the preservation of a healthy society. Not an easy question to answer. I can assure you promoting these lifestyles are NORMAL isn’t doing the west any favors though. Say what you like, it is clearly sexual deviancy and degeneracy. And those two, inevitably lead to the decay of a healthy society as they don’t create stable family units to raise kids with.

>>4074061
>normal
>Define this word. In specific, unmistakable terms.
The whole legbutt community combined being 5% of the population isn't enough?
>Can you explain why kids shouldn't be taught that gay people exist?
Can you explain why they should? Do they have to be aware of everything that affects 5% of the population? Do you have to tell kids about ulcerative colitis? Insect sting allergic people? Arthritis affects 1 in 4 adults. Buddhists are 7% of the world's population. There is SO much shit that falls within 5% of the population but somehow gays are more important than anything else.
>Define glorification. Because showing characters being themselves is not "glorification"
Having 5% of the population represented in 90% of the media as always the best, happiest, and positive people imaginable is glorification. Where are the poz parties? Why is [insert 5% group] not represented in 100% of the media? Why are smokers not represented? They are 15% of the population. Oh no smoking gives you cancer. Well being gay gives you AIDS.
Where are all the fucking Buddhist characters in kids cartoons? Where is the 2% of Mormons in the US? What about the fervent Christians? There are a lot of fervent Christians, why are they never represented?

>>4074066
There are people living in countries who have it 1000x shittier than any of the coddled americans who fantasize about their gender. Congo is the poorest country on Earth and its suicide rate is 5.7 per 100000 people. Sierra Leone is rated as the worst place on Earth by its human development index and its suicide rate is 9.7 per 100000. Not per cent, per a hundred thousand.
But look, here's another fun fact. I can't find data about actual suicides for legbutts. There is no data. It's all "suicide attempts". By a very loose definition, I had 3 suicide attempts. I'm sure a lot of people can report a similar statistic.

So in the end why don't you just dilate instead of typing this shit on 4chan, on the art board of all places.

>>4074113
Sorry but religious groups don’t dictate what morality is.

Your claims of kids developing issues is ridiculous. Kids in mixed sex marriages develop issues, yes single parent children develop issues, kids without parents develop issues. You’re arguing a fallacy.

Where is your source? Are you making this claim based on sources? How about how many straight couples cheat on each other? How man married men visit prostitutes and of course that there is WAY WAY WAY more straight pornography consumed by straight people? Prove that gay couples are “more promiscuous”.

>sexual deviancy and degeneracy
Nope, that’s subjective. You don’t like it for you but that does not make it non-normal or deviancy. They also don’t lead to the decay of society because homosexuals have always been a part of society. This slippery slope fallacy you’re claiming sure must be slow.

>>4074113
>It’s a desecration of a traditional ritual
Appeal to tradition. Why should society adhere to religious values? And why should we adhere to the specific religions that define marriage as inherently heterosexual?
>Sure the argument can be made that they could adopt kids, but without a biologicaly maternal or paternal in the household, the kid will develop issues.
Proofs. Also I'd like you to explain or prove that it is impossible for homosexual couples to get better at raiding children than however well or poorly they're doing now
>I haven’t even gotten into how homosexual couples are much more promiscuous
>much more prone to domestic violence
>and much mire prone to mental illness
Proofs.
>STIs
Nobody has demonstrated how this is inherent to homosexuality and can't be solved by simply advocating for safe sex practices
>So with all that in mind, why should society openly accept homosexual couples as a “normal” part of life equal to heterosexual couples whose unity is done so to create a stable family unit to sustain society?
Why should every couple strive to raise a child? Is the world not populated enough that some of us should be allowed to not raise children?
>Once again, all of these things clearly and evidently lead to the decay of society in the name of progress
They "clearly and evidently" lead to people doing things that you don't like
>The rest
Conjecture and bullshit.


ALSO HOW THE FUCK IS ANY OF THIS RELEVANT TO CANNON BUSTERS HOLY FUCK CAN WE GET ON TOPIC

>>4074119
Three suicide attempts is pretty high. I’m not sure if you’re qualified to call anyone mentally ill when you’re out here trying to top yourself.

>>4072264
calm down, honey.
now back to rdddit

>>4074120
>Sorry but religious groups don’t dictate what morality is.
Then why should gays? I'm sure there are more Christians than homosexuals. Don't you believe in democracy?

>>4074066
There's a compilation of mtf who had surgery expressing massive regret of doing it. They say they have to go through dilation almost everyday, and they hate it- hell a few of them outright state that it doesn't feel like a vagina at all and more of an unnecessary wound. Plus you get infections, and with the depressions that they go through (which if you know makes you not want to do anything at all in extreme periods) I doubt they can keep it perfectly clean everyday. Its sad because normies are pretty oblivious, I've met so many my age who don't know what adblock is.

>>4074125
Gay people don’t either. Society at large does and in this day and age society has grown much more accepting of gay people, a good indicator of that would be reflected in entertainment media having more visible gay characters. Its due to democratic society’s acceptance. Doing what a religious institute dictates isn’t democracy either.

>>4074066
>outside circumstances such as bigotry and discrimination

Trannies kill themselves more often whan Jews did in German concentration camps. I know I was shocked too. SO unless you mean that Trump is literally Hitler...

>>4074123
>Three suicide attempts is pretty high. I’m not sure if you’re qualified to call anyone mentally ill when you’re out here trying to top yourself.
Except it's made up. Everyone who's been angsty as a teen has thought of this shit or did some half-assed self-harm. But a tranny goes on Twitter and says he attempted suicide because he's oppressed or someone called him a faggot. All the oppression is made up, these people have way more support than they should.
The whole diversity business is a veritable mafia bullshitting its way on social media all the way up the top of the corporate ladder.

Why didn't you quote the rest of my post? You do the point by point thing, not this time. Scared of statistics?

>>4074127
So you’re talking about post op transsexuals and waving a frog meme with an unsourced graph that says “trans or gender non conforming”.
Perhaps it should have a column for post operative?

>>4074132
>Gay people don’t either. Society at large does
under gunpoint

>>4074120
>>4074122
There’s the slippery slope fallacy, and then there’s the argument. It’s only a fallacy if there’s no evidence to support it, which we do have.

Statistically we know that homosexual couples are more prone to domestic violence and promiscuity. It’s a poorly kept secret at this point that homosexuals are very promiscuous. So, are you gonna argue that such a household is a great place to raise children?

You argue that religion isn’t the dictator of morality, but to that, I counter with this, religion, particularly Christinity, has always concerned itself with establishing the values necessary for a healthy family unit. No sex till marriage, no sex outside of marriage, women take the role of caretakers, and so on. All of these elements are done so you create a stable family unit which is optimally healthy for child rearing. And we know what happens when that start to fall apart.

You ever wonder why only in recent times we’ve seen a rise in school shooters? Guns have been around since forever, but only been in a post women’s-lib world, one in which we’ve seen a sharp increase in single family households, that’s we’ve also seen a sharp increase in school shootings. People are always quick to blame guns or videogames, but no one ever seems to ask WHY the kid went on a spree. Because the answer points to a more deeply rooted sickness within society, and no one wants to admit it. It’s undeniable that if you interfere with the development of children in their early life, they’ll develop deeply-rooted issues into adulthood. At best becoming depressed slobs and entitled bullies/manchildren, and at worst, serial killers. And yet, this same society is wanting to get us to believe that letting kids be raised in promiscuous homosexual households, or forcing them to get sex changes without their consent to follow modern trends is somehow gonna make all this better, and not much MUCH worse.

>>4074134
So, that Pepe with the graph is proof of whatever or not? Which is it?

>>4074136
>Perhaps it should have a column for post operative?

>The most thorough follow-up of sex-reassigned people—extending over 30 years and conducted in Sweden, where the culture is strongly supportive of the transgendered—documents their lifelong mental unrest. Ten to 15 years after surgical reassignment, the suicide rate of those who had undergone sex-reassignment surgery rose to 20 times that of comparable peers.

>>4074133
You’re jumping all over the place and not making a coherent point. You’re all just “TRANNIES TRUMP HITLER!” You may believe you are making sense but I assure you, you’re not.

>>4074140
>So, that Pepe with the graph is proof of whatever or not? Which is it?
The suicide attempt rate among transgender persons ranges from 32% to 50% across the countries.
It's proof that trannies are insane because 40%, and it's proof that it's all attention seeking because nobody publishes stats on actual suicides. They talk about bullying, discrimination, all that shit. Lots of kids are bullied and "attempt suicide" but trannies are somehow special. Because agenda.

>>4074141
You’re attempting to imply that gender reassignment is the cause of mental unrest and there may to be any other influence?

>>4074147
I am not implying anything, I am quoting a source.

>>4074146
Why did you put out your suicide attempts online just now? By your own standards wouldn’t that make you insane and mentally unstable?

>>4074144
Sweetie, this is my first post in this thread.

I just saw you saying that trannies are oppressed into suicide. I am sure the fact that people react often with disgust doesn't help, but the truth is those people are mentally ill and need help.
As for Trump being literally Hitler- woman are not funny, but are also bad with jokes in general, so I won't get into that.

>>4074119
>The whole legbutt community combined being 5% of the population isn't enough?
Are you going to provide a definition or no?
>Do they have to be aware of everything that affects 5% of the population?
They should be aware of sensitive or hot-button topics.
>Do you have to tell kids about ulcerative colitis?
I wouldn't teach kids about every illness but if a kid has a question in a health class or if somebody makes a medical series then I see no issue
>Arthritis affects 1 in 4 adults.
And kids should be taught prevention methods.
>Buddhists are 7% of the world's population.
Many high schools offer "world religion" classes.
>but somehow gays are more important than anything else.
Who said gays are more important?
>Having 5% of the population represented in 90% of the media as always the best, happiest, and positive people imaginable is glorification.
I didn't know that most portrayals of LGBT were like this. Care to provide examples?
>Where are the poz parties?
Kids shouldn't be viewing things directly related to sex
>Why is [insert 5% group] not represented in 100% of the media?
LGBT aren't in 100% of media
>Why are smokers not represented?
They used to be. And then we found out that encouraging smoking is bad
>Well being gay gives you AIDS.
You have failed to demonstrate that being gay will definitely give you AIDS. Explain to me, mechanically, how if a gay person only has sex using condoms and avoids HIV+ people, how they will get HIV/AIDS
>Where is the 2% of Mormons in the US?
Mormons have made cartoons before.
>What about the fervent Christians?
I'm sure that butthurt Christians have been in cartoons
>There are people living in countries who have it 1000x shittier than any of the coddled americans who fantasize about their gender
How is that relevant?
>But look, here's another fun fact. I can't find data about actual suicides for legbutts. There is no data.
Sounds like you suck at finding data

So what does this have to do with Cannon Busters?

>>4074148
It answers nothing though. Why cite it if it answers nothing? What are you attempting to prove but quoting it? (As in IMPLY)

>>4074139
Also,
>proofs
Enjoy:

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29994648

https://www.conservapedia.com/Homosexuality_and_promiscuity

There are better cited and more plentiful sources on a infographic I came across on /v/, but unfortunately I didn’t save it.

>>4074152
>legbutt community combined being 5%

5%? LOL
more like 1%

>>4074147
It’s pretty evident that’s the main reason, yeah.

Anyone surprised by male homosexual promiscuity obviously has no gay friends.

You are talking about two males that want to have sex. And there are no moral norms or woman to keep them in check.

>>4074139
>Statistically we know that homosexual couples are more prone to domestic violence and promiscuity.
Prove it.
Billions of dollars in prostitution, strip clubs and pornography say otherwise.

What Christianity dictates is a stable family environment is just hearsay. That’s good for some people but not others, its subjective and religion has no right to dictate how people live. Especially the non religious.

I believe there is a strong connection to the availability and type of weapons with school shooters and there’s nothing to do with homosexuality or diversity in the media. Name one school shooter who was the child of a gay couple. There’s zero evidence to your claims, none at all. Youre presenting insane conspiracy hearsay as fact.

>>4074136
the reason why people are somewhat concerned about the lgbt trend is because they are encouraging kids (who are dumb/impressionable by nature) into taking uneeded medication hormones at a young age which will lead them to brain impairments/mental disorders like anxiety etc. The media giving them auto celeb status just for them saying "i'm homo" doesn't help either. Desmond is Amazing is the most extreme example of creepy shit being shown around. Even the members who are part of the lgbt are trying to speak out but authorities never bother to investigate (it goes deeper with them fearing that they will be harassed for 'being transphobic' this happened a lot around 2015, assholes would use muh lgbt as a shield to deflect any criticisms against them, no matter how irrelevant it is. Its gets even deeper when you look at people like Yaniv, who used porn bots to spam/harass facebook users who made fun of him. Just a lot of pedo connections with lgbt that I'm seeing and I'm not even homophobic or care about sex)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7J-hW_GO6o

of course its not directly towards lgbt, but rather the fact that pedos can use it as a shield to get away with insane shit. Yaniv has records of being a creepy/pedo but he still isn't in a jail cell.

>>4074156
Prove thats the cause. Everything you have posted only suggests that admissions of suicide attempts are more common. It says nothing of the cause. What you’re implying, there is no evidence of it and I am not sure you understand the difference between cause and effect.

>>4074166
I am looking forward to all lawsuits that are gonna happen in few years. I am sorry for those kids, but well...

>>4074139
>Statistically we know that homosexual couples are more prone to domestic violence and promiscuity
Post proofs
>So, are you gonna argue that such a household is a great place to raise children?
I wouldn't. But then again you can't prove that higher rates are inherent to homosexuality. Correlation is not causation.
>You argue that religion isn’t the dictator of morality
I argued that it doesn't have to always be.
>religion, particularly Christinity, has always concerned itself with establishing the values necessary for a healthy family unit.
Great. Can you give any evidence explaining why the only method to provide these values is via religion? Can you explain why we should only follow religions that are anti-LGBT?
>All of these elements are done so you create a stable family unit which is optimally healthy for child rearing.
Can you provide evidence proving that sex before marriage, non-consentual extra-maritial sex, or female-led households lead to instability? Can you finally get around to explaining why every single relationship has to inevitably lead to child-rearing?
>one in which we’ve seen a sharp increase in single family households,
Do you have any statistics on what percentage of shooters lived in single-parent households?

You say a lot of things and yet give no evidence. Also what does any of this have to do with Cannon Busters?
>>4074154
That bbc study claims to cite a source but gives no actual citations or links. Not proof
The conservapedia sources seem to be about a 2004 study relating to Shoreland homosexuals. So it's a biased source with a biased sample.

And additionally you still fail to demonstrate how homosexuality will inevitably lead to these things. Correlation is not causation.

And I still want to know what this has to do with Cannon Busters
>>4074165
Based
>>4074166
>pic
One individual having a bad experience does not a sample size make.

And what does any of this have to do with Cannon Busters!

>>4074166
Who is this “they” that are encouraging kids to take medication? Do you have any evidence that blockers for trans people cause brain imparements or are you just making claims without evidence?

I don’t want to watch your links, explain them to me.

>>4074152
>You have failed to demonstrate that being gay will definitely give you AIDS. Explain to me, mechanically, how if a gay person only has sex using condoms and avoids HIV+ people, how they will get HIV/AIDS

It won't, but being a homo sure as shit doesn't help you live longer. The disease rates adjusted for population are absurd. Here's a couple.

"In 2016, gay and bisexual men accounted for 67% (26,844) of all HIV diagnoses and 82% of diagnoses among males aged 13 and older."
https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/index.html


"Between 2016 and 2017, the number of reported primary and secondary (P&S) cases in the United States increased by 10.5%, and there were 30,644 P&S syphilis cases reported in 2017. Most (58%) of these cases were among MSM"
https://www.cdc.gov/std/syphilis/syphilis-MSM-Fact-Sheet.pdf

"Entamoeba histolytica has been recently recognised as an emerging sexually transmissible pathogen in men who have sex with men (MSM), causing sporadic outbreaks in countries where it is not endemic."
https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2017.22.30.30581

And lesbians are considered "safe", yeah, no.

"More recent data from NHANES conducted in 2001–2006 among women aged 18–59 years demonstrated an HSV-2 seroprevalence of 30.3% among women reporting same-sex partners in the past year, 36.2% among women reporting same-sex partners in their lifetime, and 23.8% among women reporting no lifetime same-sex behavior"
"A history of genital herpes or genital warts was reported more frequently by bisexual women (15.0%–17.2%) than by lesbians (2.3%–6.7%) and their heterosexual counterparts (8.7%–10.0%)"
" A cross-sectional survey of female community volunteers aged 16–50 years in the United Kingdom conducted from 2001 to 2004 demonstrated a BV prevalence of 25.7% among self-identified lesbians versus 14.4% among heterosexual women"
https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/53/suppl_3/S84/312345

>>4074165
>prove it
K
>>4074154
>What Christianity...
Prove that it’s hearsay. Also, Christianity is just one example I’m giving out of many. But traditional values across cultures primarily focus on the preservation of the family unit. Look at Japan and China for example.
>That’s good for...
That’s fine and all, but there’s two points being made here.
1) it might be subjective for the individual, but it is undeniably better for soceity as a whole as healthy families = well-reared kids = a better future. Kids are the future after all, and a healthy family unit provides them with the ideal environment for them to develop.
2) it’s gays who demand marriage and in some cases the right to adopt and raise kids. As well as to be acknowledged by religious types whose belief system deems then as amoral. If they only kept to themselves and did whatever they wanted in privacy? Sure. But demanding representation in the public space, demanding acceptance from religious institutions, AND flaunting their sexual fetishes in what has now become a gay pride MONTH of sexual deviancy... well considering it used to be only a week, I’d say the slippery slope stopped being a fallacy years ago.
>I believe there is a...
Your belief isn’t fact. Sorry. You need to provide me with a lot more than, “I believe” especially when guns have been freely available in America for centuries now, yet school shooting have only been on the rise in recent years. Evidently your observation is wrong, and there’s an underlying problem that’s much more serious that you’re willingly ignoring. Banning guns isn’t gonna stop homemade bombs or stabbings, now will it?
>and there’s nothing to do with...
I never said it did. I said it had to do with the internal decay of modern society due to the collapse of the stable family unit, thanks to the rise in single parent households as a result of women’s lib. Homosexuality and transsexuality are only gonna inflate this problem even further.

>>4074149
>By your own standards wouldn’t that make you insane and mentally unstable?
Are you retarded?
>By a very loose definition
>Except it's made up. Everyone who's been angsty as a teen has thought of this shit or did some half-assed self-harm.
I brought this up because I'm making a point. I'm not going on Twitter and claiming I am oppressed to twist people's arm into doing what I want. On the other hand, imagine I am actually insane and not in the right of expressing my opinion. Why are we inviting similarly insane people to speak to kids about their gender?
>Are you going to provide a definition or no?
abnormal
/əbˈnɔːm(ə)l/
adjective
deviating from what is normal or usual
but you will argue that 5% is usual
>And kids should be taught prevention methods.
You better start voicing your concern then and start tweeting
>I wouldn't teach kids about every illness but if a kid has a question in a health class
Why not make it compulsory like gendershit?
>Many high schools offer "world religion" classes.
Are they mandatory?
>Care to provide examples?
Any of them. Care to provide examples of flawed homosexuals in media?
>Kids shouldn't be viewing things directly related to sex
Isn't homosexuality directly related to sex? It has the word "sex" in it. And what, is promiscuity bad now? What about aromantic people who just want to fuck? This feels disciminatory, I think you're a bigot.
>LGBT aren't in 100% of media
Ok, 90%
>And then we found out that encouraging smoking is bad
And encouraging vulnerable kids to think they're gender dysphoric is not?

>>4074189
>That bbc study claims to cite a source but gives no actual citations or links. Not proof
>The conservapedia sources seem to be about a 2004 study relating to Shoreland homosexuals. So it's a biased source with a biased sample.
>And additionally you still fail to demonstrate how homosexuality will inevitably lead to these things. Correlation is not causation.

>t might be subjective for the individual, but it is undeniably better for soceity as a whole as healthy families
Great. Can you give any evidence explaining why the only method to provide these values is via religion? Can you explain why we should only follow religions that are anti-LGBT?

You demand more than beliefs? Everything you have posted so far is your beliefs that you present as evidence. YOU made the claim that school shootings are somehow connected to gay and lgbt culture. YOU cant prove that as true. YOU provide evidence. The burden of proof is not on me, I’m telling you i simply don’t believe your ridiculous and insane claim YOU prove YOURSELF.

>>4074185
>>4074189
>>4074196

Based and redpilled.

>>4074153
If you can't use your brain it's not my problem

>Mormons have made cartoons before.
did you really type this straight-faced
so if a scientologist makes a cartoon now scientologists are represented in media
you're grasping at straws so hard right now
>I'm sure that butthurt Christians have been in cartoons
strawman = representation
so you are ok with ponces and thugs and all the other cute stereotypes I suppose. Allahu Akhbar
>Explain to me, mechanically, how if a gay person only has sex using condoms and avoids HIV+ people, how they will get HIV/AIDS
I'm not gay, but it looks like gay people don't have much of a clue either because "In 2016, gay and bisexual men accounted for 67% of all HIV diagnoses and 82% of diagnoses among males aged 13 and older."

You keep asking for proof of shit, people give you statistics, you ignore them or say they mean nothing
But it's ok you don't need statistics to act like a victim on twitter

>>4074177
> Do you have any evidence that blockers for trans people cause brain imparements
My point was that it's not good specifically for kids. They need to go through their hormones regularly and safety. Mind you that prescription meds (like ones for depression) put chemicals in your brain to help medicate those brain imbalances you have when you go through severe stress- and it can be difficult finding the right medicine for an individual because of how different each person's brains work(or chemicals they have in it). Giving medicine to people who aren't sick isn't a good thing in general- giving meds that will alter teens going through their hormones (which don't have to be touched) is even worse because of the massive damages it can cause in their futures. Seriously just think about this, this is on the level of giving someone chemotherapy when they don't have any form of cancer.

>I don’t want to watch your links, explain them to me.
well then there's no point interacting with you if you're just going to handwave away the facts presented in front of you/not going to bother going through other people's arguments.

>>4074202
Naw.

>>4074206
Ok so no evidence. You were just making baseless claims.

Your links I expect to be more hearsay and browbeating of the subject with a biased agenda so no. Either express your views yourself or sit down and shut the fuck up.

>>4074166
>because they are encouraging kids (who are dumb/impressionable by nature) into taking uneeded medication hormones at a young age
Who is they?
>which will lead them to brain impairments/mental disorders like anxiety etc
How so?
>Even the members who are part of the lgbt are trying to speak out but authorities never bother to investigate
Do you have any evidence
>it goes deeper with them fearing that they will be harassed for 'being transphobic
Yes, because authorities are notorious for their concern over public relations.
>Yaniv has records of being a creepy/pedo but he still isn't in a jail cell.
Well it sucks if a criminal gets away but your concerns don't seem to be consistent with claims ITT.
>>4074185
>It won't
Then I don't care. If your argument is that being gay is harmful you have to PROVE that being gay is harmful and not just show me a bunch of semi-related data.
Correlation is not causation.
You've refused to put forth any form of argument and when you do post proof you're talking about a minority of a population
>>4074189
NAYRT btw
>Kids are the future after all, and a healthy family unit provides them with the ideal environment for them to develop.
Okay but WHY does EVERY relationship absolutely have to be focused on child-rearing? Are you this fucking buttblasted about straight couples that don't have kids?
>But demanding representation in the public space,
God forbid that people exist where you can see them.
>Your belief isn’t fact. Sorry. You need to provide me with a lot more than, “I believe”
You seem to be short on proving things yourself
>I said it had to do with the internal decay of modern society due to the collapse of the stable family unit, thanks to the rise in single parent households as a result of women’s lib
You haven't demonstrated even one of these things

AND WHAT DOES ANY OF THIS HAVE TO DO WITH CANNON BUSTERS????????????????????

>>4074209
>sit down and shut the fuck up

Wow, easy there, honey.

>>4074209
Not him but all the statistics I posted were explicitly taken from politically neutral websites and not conservative echo chambers. You ignored them regardless.
I honestly hope you're just having a laugh while getting (you)s because otherwise you're retarded beyond redemption.

>>4074203
>If you can’t use your brain it’s not my problem
Well I did. I used it to explain how youre full of shit.

>>4074201
>Can you explain why we should only follow religions that are anti-LGBT?
Most traditional value systems across all cultures deem LGBT as amoral. Feel free to provide me with examples that don’t. But Christianity, Buddhism, Shinto, Confucianism, etc... they all deem same sex relationships as amoral, since traditionally, the whole point of sex is to create a family, and thus, sex outside of that stands in opposition to the preservation of a stable family unit and society.

>YOU made the claim that school shootings are somehow connected to gay and lgbt culture.
No I did not. Read my posts again. If you lack basic reading comprehension skills, yet still choose to debate someone, then it’s clear we’re never gonna get anywhere with this.

You’re not arguing in good faith, you’ve already made up your mind and will deny everything that stands against your preconceived values.

>>4074207
Mad cause bad.

>>4074177
https://www.google.ru/amp/s/www.researchgate.net/publication/234105065_The_Effect_of_Testosterone_on_the_Formation_of_Brain_Structures/amp

Ofcourse you fucking tranny balanced hormones are essential for mental health, all of them. And for physical health as well

>Lets just tell a gullible child that they can be boys or girls as they wish and change any time
>Ofcourse you can be a real sexy woman with big tits timmy, just like the supermodels timmy
>Just stop your puberty and chop you dick off.

The real reason 40% of trannies off themselves is when they figure outvthey were lied to, they aren't women, just faggot who chopped off their dicks and got a shitty fake fuckhole that doesn't even feel good.

That's gotta sting.

>>4074209
>Your links I expect to be more hearsay and browbeating of the subject with a biased agenda so no. Either express your views yourself or sit down and shut the fuck up.

You ignore statistical data, don't care to read the source and think someone's going to throw a blurb at you. Most of you bullshit is just typical pilpul with no substance. Maybe you should sit down and shut the fuck up?

>>4074209
whoops guess I struck a nerve

but you're most likely a troll seeing how overly hysterical you're acting or don't know jack shit about the topic you're blabbering on about. well played, here's your well-deserved internet point
(you)

>>4074219
You didn't explain shit, you kept saying lalalala it's not proof, I don't care, where is the proof, give me more proof even though I'm proving nothing myself when the burden of proof is on me.
It doesn't work like this you tranny, thinking you are right and very smart doesn't make you right and very smart. Since you can't contribute any statistics of your own, maybe you should join the actual statistics

>>4074211
>Okay but WHY does EVERY relationship absolutely have to be focused on child-rearing? Are you this fucking buttblasted about straight couples that don't have kids?
Because you asked me how sexual deviancy leads to societal decay. I gave you a clear connection and example.

People can do whatever they like in private, but normalizing sexual deviancy leads to societal decay as it diminishes the strength of the family unit.

Kids are the future. Therefore what you influence kids with, will affect that society’s future. If you rear kids with a laundry list of mental and personal issues due to your own selfish desires and sexual deviancy, I can assure you that future won’t be pretty.

>>4074220
Some Christian churches are pro lgbt, so are some Buddhist’s and so on. It’s because relious views are not absolute. They are a human construct which differed between congregation.
If Christianity is such an authority on morals then why the recent royal commission into the church in Australia brought fourth over 5000 complaints of sexual abuse? Similar stories have happened in Sweden and canada. Insane amounts of sexual abuse at the hands of the church.

YOU made the claim that school shootings are somehow connected to gay and lgbt culture.
>no i did not.
Yes you diiiiddddd
>It’s undeniable that if you interfere with the development of children in their early life, they’ll develop deeply-rooted issues into adulthood. At best becoming depressed slobs and entitled bullies/manchildren, and at worst, serial killers. And yet, this same society is wanting to get us to believe that letting kids be raised in promiscuous homosexual households, or forcing them to get sex changes without their consent to follow modern trends is somehow gonna make all this better, and not much MUCH worse.

>>4074222
Naw.

>>4074211
I'm pretty tired of your cretinous claims.
>Then I don't care. If your argument is that being gay is harmful you have to PROVE that being gay is harmful and not just show me a bunch of semi-related data.
>Correlation is not causation.
>You've refused to put forth any form of argument and when you do post proof you're talking about a minority of a population

The hairsplitting and mental gymnastics you resort to are astounding. Homosexuals of both sexes are eaten up by disease due to how they use their genitals? Homosexuality not a cause. Children from same-sex homes have problems because they can't receive a balanced upringing with two different role models? Homosexuality not a cause.

And we're all talking about a minority. Sad, disease ridden minority mollycoddled by the media. Despite many problems that it faces. Homosexuals are an epidemiological danger if nothing else. Syphilis only survived because of them and the spread to the rest of the population.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/269693457_Evolution_of_the_syphilis_epidemic_among_men_who_have_sex_with_men

>>4074223
Who told a gullible child that they can be boys or girls? WHO?

Who told Timmy he can be a sexy woman with tits? WHO?

Who said just stop puberty and chop dick off? WHO?

>>4074196
>Are you retarded?
He has a point.
>I brought this up because I'm making a point.
You've failed
>deviating from what is normal or usual
And we circle back around to the word normal. Great.
>You better start voicing your concern then and start tweeting
Not an argument. Tweets have little to no influence over how school systems are run. Next time school board elections are up I'll pitch my hat in
>Why not make it compulsory
Health class is compulsory.
>like gendershit?
This isn't mandatory
>Are they mandatory?
They aren't. Maybe they should be I guess
>Any of them
That's not a source
>Care to provide examples of flawed homosexuals in media
Deadpool. WonderWoman is bisexual and she's pretty flawed. Colonel Volgin from MGS3 is a villain and sort of really fucking evil. I can go on
>Isn't homosexuality directly related to sex?
Not really. Explaining that two men like each other a lot doesn't tell the child anything about sex. Or at least not ant more so than however parents teach their kids about straight relationships.
>It has the word "sex" in it
So does heterosexual.
>is promiscuity bad now?
Pozzing is not inherent to polyamoury
>And encouraging vulnerable kids to think they're gender dysphoric is not?
The difference is that people proved that showing smoking on TV lead to increased rates of smoking. Can you demonstrate that showing LGBT on TV leads to more LGBT children? Can you demonstrate how that would be a bad thing in the first place?
>>4074201
>Everything you have posted so far is your beliefs that you present as evidence.
Really now?
>YOU made the claim that school shootings are somehow connected to gay and lgbt culture
I asked you to demonstrate how lgbt and school shootings were connected. Are you sure you aren't getting mixed up? You can't even link posts properly
>>4074203
>so if a scientologist makes a cartoon now scientologists are represented in media
Uh, yeah? That's kind of the definition of representation. Things being in something

>>4074211
>Okay but WHY does EVERY relationship absolutely have to be focused on child-rearing? Are you this fucking buttblasted about straight couples that don't have kids?

That's the sole purpose marriage exists.
Why do you think married people get tax cuts benefits? As a gift? Just to be happy?
The only reason to get into marriage is to raise a child, everything else can be done on Tinder.

>>4074224
Can you not write it down or provide bullet points? What’s wrong with you? What PART do you want me to see specifically or are you juts gonna flood me with links to videos?

>>4074225
Do you have any evidence you hit a nerve?

>>4074242
>Who
Every single news outlet, sex ed teacher at school, twitter npcs, and Bill Nye The Sex Junk Guy on television.

This is the normalised mainstream narrative.
In fact you are suspended from schools or in Europe even arrested and fined for telling Timmy othervice.

>>4074228
The burden of proof is not on me, I’m not the one making these assertions, you are. Prove it. Youre giving me this unsourced meme image as evidence and it does not even say anything about extenuating circumstances and youre literally implying that because trans people attempt suicide that therefore being trans causes suicide. That’s patently false.

>>4074236
>Some Christian churches are pro lgbt, so are some Buddhist’s and so on.
Yeah, few fringe cases that interpret the dogma to suit their personal fetishes to to pander to new crowds.

>If Christianity is such an authority on morals then why the recent royal commission into the church in Australia brought fourth over 5000 complaints of sexual abuse?
Corruption within the church isn’t abnormal, people are fallable after all. It often happens with people interpreting the dogma to justify their personal fetishes... hmmm sound familiar?

>It’s because relious views are not absolute.
That’s not for you to determine. Entire schisms have happened in numerous religions over that exact principle. Claiming to have the absolute answer only reinforces your own ignorance.

>YOU made the claim that school shootings are somehow connected to gay and lgbt culture.
No, you interpreted it that way to my my argument easier to attack. I said that there’s a connection between school shootings and decay of the family unit. And that by openly normalizing sexual deviancy, you’re only gonna perpetuate the problem.

>>4074236
>Some Christian churches are pro lgbt, so are some Buddhist’s and so on.
To do that they need to ignore the basic scripture of both Christniaty and Buddhism. Read on pandakas and how they were treated. When you go against the very foundation of your religion, not even reforming it, your no longer a part of it.

Also it is lovely to see how you virtually know nothing about anything.

>>4074241
Don’t make claims if you cant back them up, dont complain about your “evidence” being destroyed so easily. You’re appealing to emotion and not fact.

>>4074250
That’s a pretty vague and baseless claim then. I do not believe you.

>>4074244
Says who? EVIDENCE pal. Have you not learned to stop making such bold claims without evidence yet?

>>4074259
That’s not a bold claim, it’s a commonly accepted fact. Are you stupid? The church itself even says the entire point of sex and marriage is to create a family.

Do you literally know nothing of Catechism yet here you are arguing about something you know nothing about? Really?

>>4074243
>And we circle back around to the word normal. Great.
Sure we do. You have been given several definitions of normality and abnormality. First you chose to accept it, now you ignore it. Like everything else that doesn't fit your piluling bite-sized non-answers.

>>4074256
>Who
>Fuckig everyone, and that dude on tv
>That's vague dude

This is your brain oh hormone blockers.

>>4074252
I could say churches force monogamy onto people are pushing their own personal fetish upon people.

But religious views are not absolute, people interpreted them differently. You also said that. Mind you, you cannot determine who is correct.

If school shootings have nothing to do with lgbt culture dont bring it up in a conversation about lgbt culture because people with assume that (aspecially when you made such vague claims) that you’re talking about lgbt culture.

>>4074267
>Do you literally know nothing of Catechism yet here you are arguing about something you know nothing about? Really?

It's a either a tactic or he really is dense. Hard to tell. Nitpicking, circling around the subject without any real substance, demanding descriptive answers to already answered questions. Typical war of attrition.

>>4074253
Basic scripture contradicts itself all through the bible. Why are you following Leviticus anyway? Wh

>>4074253
Basic scripture contradicts itself all through the bible.

No, you don’t know anything about anything.
See what I did there? Made a vague claim about you without evidence, context or relation to anything.

>>4074267
Imagine being so much of a brainwashed NPC incapable of thought and judgement you'd need a source on anything since the idea that other people think rather than just reproduce whatvthey were told is completely alien to you

That's actually scary.

>>4074267
WHERE does the church say that the entire point of marriage is to create a family? Because I have been to a few weddings and they never mention children with childless couples. Most of the time they talked about how two people get married because they love each other.

>>4074271
“Everyone” is vague as fuck actually. If you didnt want to be vague you could name some names, and not bill nye who as far as I know never spoke on the subject to children.

>>4074203
>strawman = representation
I suppose I misunderstood your original wording. But still I'm quite sure that genuine fevered Christians have been portrayed in media
>but it looks like gay people don't have much of a clue either because
So you have no answer?
>In 2016, gay and bisexual men accounted for 67% of all HIV diagnoses and 82% of diagnoses among males aged 13 and older
So firstly this statistic just tells me that lgbt were a majority of cases across all sexuality. It does not tell me what percent of lgbt have HIV.
>You keep asking for proof of shit, people give you statistics, you ignore them or say they mean nothing
Because they don't. I ask for statistics so I can avoid arguing against shit you can't prove. You think that if you cite a study that I magically have to concede the whole fucking debate. Why is it that I have to even ask for fucking sources? You people are so lazy
>>4074206
>My point was that it's not good specifically for kids
So you have no evidence
You still also have yet to explain who this mysterious "they" is that wants to give kids blockers like it's fucking candy.
>>4074229
>I gave you a clear connection and example.
You gave me baseless claims.
>but normalizing sexual deviancy leads to societal decay as it diminishes the strength of the family unit.
Deviancy?
>If you rear kids with a laundry list of mental and personal issues due to your own selfish desires and sexual deviancy
Why does every relationship have to be about child rearing? By what means can you prove that lgbt parents lead to damaged children?
>>4074220
>Confucianism
Has no hardline position on lgbt
>Buddhism
Views all sex as a hindrance to enlightenment
>Read my posts again.
You've made that exceptionally difficult. Due to your fucking ineptitude to properly quote posts I have no idea which are yours and which aren't.
>>4074241
>The hairsplitting and mental gymnastics you resort to are astounding
What's astounding is your lack of arguments

>>4074276
It's not a vague claim, both religions have in their holy books at least a couple of passages against homosexuality or something perceived as a part of a wider phenomenon related to sexual deviancy. I even gave a topic to read on.

You're just a creting and you lack even the most basic knowledge. Or you pretend to provoke answers. I don't mind engaging, but you're a lousy interlocutor.

>>4074272
Monogamy is an invention that allowed stable agricultural societies and civilization.

Before monogamy there was like one warchief with 50 wives and 50 guys who have nothing to do with their lives other than to try and kill somebody else for their women.

Also probably bad for genes if the entire tribe has literally one father.

>>4074277
I started to reply but I’m not sure what your garbled word vomit is attempting to say.

>>4074283
Do you follow the bible to the letter? Do you welcome immigrants? Turn the other cheek? Not mix fabrics?

Also, some contend translations and their literal meaning. Some believe that only the Old Testament has passages against homosexuality. It all depends on how you translate it really.

>>4074272
>I could say churches force monogamy onto people are pushing their own personal fetish upon people.
And you’d be wrong in saying that, as it was NUMEROUS religious and spiritual institutions around the world, with zero way to influence each other, cropping up at totally different times, that all came to the same conclusions:
>to live a satisfying life, you must be morally righteous and fulfill your duty on Earth
>part of that duty is to form a family
>in order to preserve that family, sex outside of marriage is considered morally wrong
That doesn’t sound like a “fetish” to me. That sounds like some very intelligent and well-read dudes, 1000s of years ago, figured out what was a necessary message to give the stupid masses in order to create stable societies and productive individuals.

The figured out that sexual deviancy leads to societal decay, and they probably did so by closely observing the downfall of numerous other societies in their vicinity that failed or collapsed at one point or another.

>But religious views are not absolute
They’re a much stronger moral code than hedonism and nepotism. Living a life of self-satisfaction doesn’t make you actually happy. People figured this out 1000s of years ago, and that’s why we carried those traditions. People were aware of homosexuality way back then too, and it was amoral sexual deviancy that leads to societal decay, just the same as it is now. People who refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. That’s why we’ve preserved those traditions. Trying to deconstruct them isn’t new or modern or a new age concept, it’s the same old vice trying to creep its way into society again. You’re not enlightened for trying to blindly reject traditional values. You’re just stupidly ignorant of why they even exist in the first place. And you’re a slave to your own desire.

>>4074284
Untrue.

>>4074272
As for the final point, I’ve already pointed out how LGBT culture leads to societal decay, gave an example, and even gave an example of the CONSEQUENCES of societal decay.

>>4074280
It’s catechism 101. Go take a catechism course and you’ll see the priest talk about this when he brings up marriage.

>>4074291
Very true. Educate yourself.

>>4074244
>That's the sole purpose marriage exists
Can you back that up?
>The only reason to get into marriage is to raise a child
Maybe by old definitions. Why can't things change? Some people have kids, some don't.
Would you rather force gays to become straight against their will and raise some little shit?
>everything else can be done on Tinder.
I though you didn't like promiscuity?
>>4074252
>Corruption within the church isn’t abnormal, people are fallable after all.
If corruption within the church isn't abnormal then why let a corrupt institution lead our society? Sounds hypocritical.
>Claiming to have the absolute answer only reinforces your own ignorance.
Nobody but you has claimed to have absolute answers. I merely ask questions.
>>4074268
>First you chose to accept it, now you ignore it
Alright fine. I'll take the above answer of 68%. If you can demonstrate that 68% of homosexuals have HIV and can explain to me why that is, I will accept your claims
>inb4 67% of cases
That stat was about cases across general population. It told me nothing about HIV rates compared to lgbt as a whole. Your only stat that measured general lgbt population said that a minority of lesbians have HIV
>>4074292
>I’ve already pointed out how LGBT culture leads to societal decay, gave an example, and even gave an example of the CONSEQUENCES of societal decay.
No you didn't. You claimed that every relationship has to always be focused on raising kids, claimed that lgbt can't raise kids, and then substantiated neither.

>>4074289
So? NUMEROUS religions around the world were cool with homosexuals. Is that all that it takes to convince you that something is right or moral? If enough other people do it first?
It sounds like those men had a fetish to have a subservient relationship with a breeder.

That last paragraph, SUBJECTIVE. Good for some not for others, therefore not absolute.

>>4074295
Because I never said the Church should lead. People are fallable. The church’s values however are not a person. They’re scripture, and they’re very clear on what is morally right and wrong.

>>4074292
So it does or does not lead to school shootings? Which one is it?

>>4074298
>NUMEROUS religions around the world were cool with homosexuals.
But they weren’t. Literally the exact opposite in fact.

>It sounds like those men had a fetish to have a subservient relationship with a breeder.
It sounds to me like you’re just uneducated, and have completely run out of arguments.

>>4074299
They aren’t clear at all thats why there are so many different sects of Christianity. They cant agree.

>>4074300
Societal decay leads to school shooting, yes.

Why? Because kids reared in improper households develop deeply rooted personal issues, that can manifest in violent ways.

>>4074304
That’s not why Christian or religious sects pop up at all. It’s always a power struggle. You really don’t know anything do you?

>>4074293
>Dude lol just take a class
Great source.
>>4074289
>That sounds like some very intelligent and well-read dudes,
We'll I'm glad that you subjectively think that religious principles are universally great and wonderful but that's not proof of anything
>The figured out that sexual deviancy leads to societal decay,
You haven't demonstrated how homosexuality is either of these
>People figured this out 1000s of years ago, and that’s why we carried those traditions
>They’re a much stronger moral code than hedonism and nepotism
LGBT isn't inherently hedonistic. Also you don't know what nepotism means
And thousands of years ago people believed in a flat earth, human sacrifice, and a while bunch of other dumb shit. Appeal to tradition
>And you’re a slave to your own desire.
Cool.
>>4074299
>The church’s values however are not a person.
But their values are taught and were written down by people
>and they’re very clear on what is morally right and wrong.
Not really. There's tons of shit that doesn't get touched on in the bible
>>4074307
>It’s always a power struggle
Sure dude. Protestants and Catholics actually just believe the same shit and it's all some gang war. And I'm sure you have a lot of evidence to prove it

>>4074295
>Why can't things change?
They could if there was a reason.
The people can very well be together in a relationship without marriage.
Why the fuck bother with all the legal hell if you don't want marriage?

In fact unmarried they will have to be nicer to each other since their partber isn't tied to them and could fuck off any moment.

Without children marriage is just meaningless, why ever bother?

>>4074313
>LGBT isn't inherently hedonistic.
How is it not? It’s entirely focused on personal pleasure and gain over what’s best for society as a whole.

>>4074303
But they were. There has been many. Although I’m not that interested in arguing it because I do not believe religion has any bearing on if being in a homosexual relationship is moral or not.
So is that what it takes for you or not though? You didnt answer that part. Are you part of the lowest common denominator? The guy who would jump off a cliff if everyone else did it first?

It sounds to me like you cant understand what I said, like you have completely misunderstood what a fetish is.

>>4074306
Blaming the parents then?

>>4074307
Sure it is. Some want to divorce, some want five wives, some dont believe in buttons.

>>4074316
Meh the very idea of an individual serving the society's interests stinks of commies and gulags.

The society is something the individuals establish to serve they shared needs, not the other way around.

>>4074282
>It does not tell me what percent of lgbt have HIV.
I stopped arguing with you several posts above, but here is the full article you won't read
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3805037/
By the way it also says that the specific act of shagging another man in the bum carries a greater risk of HIV transmission
>The biology of anal sex, the gut tropism of HIV-1,74 and the practices and behaviours associated with anal sex, might at least partly explain the high transmission efficiency of HIV infection for this practice. A recent systematic review and meta-analysis of HIV transmission risks in anal sex reported a 1·4% per-act probability (95% CI 0·2–2·5) of transmission for anal sex and a 40·4% per-partner probability (6·0–74·9).Per-act probabilities did not differ for MSM or heterosexual anal sex. The 1·4% per-act probability is roughly 18-times greater than that which has been estimated for vaginal intercourse.This review also noted that per-partner risks for infection were similar for people reporting exclusive unprotected receptive anal intercourse and both unprotected receptive and insertive anal intercourse— common behavioural patterns for most MSM worldwide. Only self-reporting of exclusive unprotected insertive anal intercourse had lower, but still substantial, per-partner risks: 21·7% (0·2–43·3).
>Our modelling outputs suggest that even substantial behaviour change, such as reductions in extra-primary partnerships, would not reduce transmission frequency enough to control HIV incidence in MSM networks.

>>4074313
>Sure dude. Protestants and Catholics actually just believe the same shit and it's all some gang war. And I'm sure you have a lot of evidence to prove it

They do. Protestantism gained popularity when England separated from the church, which was fronted as “because Henry couldn’t have kids and his wife was infertile,” but was actually because the Catholic Pope at the time had created the Treaty of Tordesillas which gave half of the new world to Spain and the other half to Portugal along a Meridian 370 leagues off the Isla Verde (?), and nothing for anyone else, and England wanted a slice of that pie, so they went protestant.

The birth of protestantism is the result of Martin Luther rejecting papal authority, and creating his own sect of which he was the leader of.

>>4074318
Who else is responsible for rearing kids BUT the parents?

>>4074323
Japan says hi.

>>4074317
>But they were. There has been many.
Citation Needed.

>>4074326
Schools, authorities, CHURCHES, peers, clubs, subcultures.

>>4074295
>Alright fine. I'll take the above answer of 68%. If you can demonstrate that 68% of homosexuals have HIV and can explain to me why that is, I will accept your claims

Did anyone say that havng HIV is normal for homosexuals? What is normal for homosexuals are the demonstably higher rates of various diseases. I have yet to see any particular STD statistic in which homosexuals are actually the healthier population.

Also it's 20% for all homosexual men population. Not normal, but a lot more than there are actual homos of both sexes in the society.

http://healthland.time.com/2010/09/26/study-20-of-homosexual-men-are-hiv-positive-but-only-half-know-it/

>>4074330
>although I’m not very interested in arguing it
You’ll just have to take my word for it.
So for the third time, is that what it takes for you to believe something? If there is more believers than non believers? You follow the lowest common denominator?

>>4074315
>They could if there was a reason
People wanting human rights isn't reason enough?
>The people can very well be together in a relationship without marriage.
Right but then you're forcing people to have to pay higher taxes, or not be able to live together, or have to pay extra money for health insurance. If the government subsidizes sterile and/or childless heterosexual relationships then what's the issue with homosexual relationships?
>Without children marriage is just meaningless, why ever bother?
Why do you care?
>>4074316
>It’s entirely focused on personal pleasure
How so?
>over what’s best for society as a whole.
Why does every relationship have to benefit society? Why so you think childless relationships can't benefit society? If your main concern is what benefits society them why are you posting on 4chan instead of studying for a STEM degree or volunteering somewhere?
>>4074324
Firstly, I genuinely appreciate you posting sources. Regardless of disagreements I cannot deny that you're diligent.
>15% in North America
The standard established earlier in the thread is 68%, so then while this is higher than I'd like this isn't much more than a tenth of gays and us by no means "normal" for gays. So congrats on hanging yourself with your own data.
>>4074333
>Did anyone say that havng HIV is normal for homosexuals?
The claim seemed to be that homosexuality is harmful to society. I asked someone to demonstrate how, by proving that some harmful aspect of homosexuality is "normal" within the community.

There has been some confusion regarding aberrant behaviours across human cultures. There were many different approaches with a tendency towards some form intolerance in more advanced societies.

Y'all know what that means? That contrary to normal things like, you know, gender roles based on natural predispositions that are almost universal across cultures, the way children were treated, the way people ate and shat in different parts of the globe homosexuals are an abnormal occurence that people don't know what to do with. There's no natural, instinctive template to use.

>>4074001
I know this picture is a joke, but some people actually feel this way so I'll kind of respond to it seriously since there are retards (probably some in this thread that believe this). Stylized characters do not posses every feature associated with their race to the highest degree to which they can posses that trait. Some things are emphasized, others are stylized away. Also, not every black person has these features in this combination in real life anyways. People can have combinations of different features. Also, not every character picked out here is black anyways. Noses for example, are stylized away on cuter characters. Mongoloid skull people also have flat noses (not necessarily as wide) but they are drawn as dots in anime anyways when people with this type of opinion wouldn't approve of it.

Also, anime doesn't take skull shape into account for its characters. For an example that causes tons of arguments on other boards, the Mongoloid and Caucasoid skull types are never distinguished between one another.

I still think that the Boondocks probably still has the best looking black characters, but they are fine here. A design doesn't need to look like a Minstrel show character to be black. (Younger) Anime characters hardly even look human in the first place.

>>4074326
>Japan says hi.
Japan has the highest rate of suicide, depression, incels, hikkis and all kinds of shit in the world.

They aren't a fucking anime.

>>4074352
My instinct is to let them be because its nothing to do with me. In my day to day interactions with other members of the same sex I have no concern towards their sexual orientation.

>>4074352
What's your point?

>>4073378
>/ic/ is one person

>>4074345
>The standard established earlier in the thread is 68%, so then while this is higher than I'd like this isn't much more than a tenth of gays and us by no means "normal" for gays. So congrats on hanging yourself with your own data.
I don't know if you have seen the almost non existent bar next to every gay one. That's the "all people" bar, including the gays.
Somehow you're using the extremely high statistic of 15% (that's 1.5 in 10 people, the average gay goes through that in a week) to dismiss the fact that homosexuals make up for 70% of all HIV cases because 15% is not 70%
So you just unequivocally proved you are a retard. Congratulations.

>>4074356
No it doesn't.

>>4074337
Ok, so, souce:my ass, gotcha. I think we're done here, you're clearly an idiot of the highest caliber and have no ground to stand on.

>>4074356
Japan has the highest rate of suicide, depression, incels, hikkis and all kinds of shit in the world.

>suicide 30th in the list
>depression 3,3% od population, US 4,3

Patently untrue regarding suicide and depression. I don't know about incels and hikikomoris.

>>4074361
Let them be, sure, but do they really need public parades and an entire MONTH to showcase their degeneracy to the world? What you do in private is your business, but I take issue with it being made so mainstream.

>>4074345
>The claim seemed to be that homosexuality is harmful to society. I asked someone to demonstrate how, by proving that some harmful aspect of homosexuality is "normal" within the community.
Prevalence of disease is higher and they are responsible for the return of several illnesses that were on their way out. That's a biological/epidemilogical danger. Homosexuals thusly are a burden on any nationalised healh system.

That's completely apart from the political agenda surrounding the ever growing conglomeration of aberrant behaviours withing the "LGBTQWERTY community". Even if you're not willing to accept the argumentation that it's detrimental then at least consider that eroding social cohesion is hurting the society at large. And social cohesion is impossible while pandering to minority groups.

>>4074371
>and an entire MONTH to showcase their degeneracy to the world?
I see a ton of people have not taken down the fucking rainbow flags yet, probably for fear of repercussion
at some point they'll just start making rainbow logos as default

>>4074369
I told you twice that it wasn’t the point I was going to argue and Ive asked you several times, Just because many religious come to the same conclusion, how does that make them right? Do you agree with beliefs based on number? I keep asking you this but you seem incapable of answering it and have now just resolved yourself to insults. You make a statement, cant explain why you agree with it and attempt to goad me into arguing something beside the point, even after I point out that its beside the point. Seems like your’e the dumb one here pal.

>>4074371
You know I have never seen a gay parade and this month you speak of has never affected me in the least. Why does it affect you?

>>4074375
Perhaps they are lgbtq?

>>4074379
Because it permiates my hobbies, and these are public displays of half naked sexual deviants performing sexual acts in front of impressionable kids.

>>4074385
They were having sex in front of children? When? Where? Did you call the police?
What hippies does a guy parade in san Fransisco permiate?

>>4074379
Are you one of the people who were upset about a rainbow on the mcdonalds fries box? You know stuff like that does not make you gay right?

>>4074379
>Why does it affect you?
Every time I see a rainbow in the sky I am reminded of these disgusting faggots pozzing each other in the asshole while calling to murder all cishet people on Twitter, holding a job they didn't earn and they won't get fired from no matter how vile the things they say, while making fuckhorrible drawings of my favorite characters as trannies with vitiligo.

>>4074383
I'm talking about companies as well, bethesda didn't take off the logo a month after gay month ended, and tweetdeck still has the fag flag as of today