/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Just started getting into digital painting a few weeks ago after some years of photography and did this shitty sketch from another artist ref.

Is it even possible to get to a decent level just by copying from references/other artists ? I tried studying anatomy fundamentals and doing drawabox/etc but it just bores me unfortunately.

>>3993707
I put some stock in going to a figure drawing session or class and drawing from life. you can't just blindly copy things. in order to build your visual library, you need to start thinking about how things are like the shape of a neck, knowing what muscles are there let's you 'read' the refence better.

>>3993680
You forgot to link prev thread

>>3993769
>>3993680
>>3989999

Tried drawing a character from imagination and ended up quitting here. It just looks like such shit and I don't get it at all. I'm not cut out for drawing.

>>3993796
Gesture good. Anatomy bad.

what was the reason behind this?

>>3993707
Is all you want to do just draw things from reference? Then yes. If no, then no. You have to practice the things you want to be able to do in order to be able to do them.

>>3993796
"I tried to play the solo from Free Bird for the first time and I played a wrong note so I quit, I'm not cut out for guitar playing."
Seriously why is everyone on this board so retarded. What is it about drawing that makes people freak the fuck out and think that it doesn't follow the same logic as every other skill that someone could attempt to learn. Of course you're not going to draw something good on your first or even 100th try, that's why you're here, to learn and practice.

r8

>>3993814
This board is full of people who have never learnt any skill before and don't understand what it takes to get better. They will probably will never be good at anything.

>>3993805
I'm hoping if I get criticized enough I'll quit and stop wanting to be a great artist and/or kill myself.

>>3993822
I won't let you off the hook that easy, faggot.
study gesture priorities and loomis

Haven't had much of a chance to draw the last few days but decided to grind out some noses from imagination before bed.

I think I'm finally getting it but I could also be very off. How do they look?

did you guys know hampton has a youtube channel? just found out and thought i would share for those who don't

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgPj2jSpcJaN6C5xMi8ohfg

>>3993824
I've read lots of shit it's never going to help me.

Advice on my LOTR guys, trying to simplify and stylise

>>3993840
Read the exercises, or actually done them?

>>3993843
Actually done them. I'm incapable of learning anything.

>>3993840
any resource to study digital painting
like from the ground up

>>3993796
Think of doing art as an iterative process. It's normal not to get 100% bullseye right of the bat. You push and pull, you take a break and you push and pull again and inch yourself forward until you get to the point where you feel the satisfaction of an arbitrary conclusion. As you do so over and over you start to note your personal peculiarities on what you do the way you do badly, you correct them and so your skill floor moves up a bit and becomes your new starting point. And so until the end of days.

Hax 4 adding line weight? i find myself going over the same line a few times, and that can begin to look like chicken scratch.

Third time I have had to rewrite this post because of Jewgle's kike Captcha. My fury is about at peak. That said, I likely won't be able to reply if I can even fucking post this.

For years, I have been a digital artist, a shit one, on and off. Often distracted or discouraged by how poor my art looks and how long it takes to make things. Skeletons and colorless outlines are a MASSIVE challenge. Frustrating enough that I will quit there and do something else.

I am not playing this as a pity card, but I suffer from actual autism. Having only used Windows XP Ms Paint, a mouse and nothing else for YEARS. I finally moved on to Paint.net and Photoshop. I tried a tablet, hated it, want to die. Change is very difficult for me.

I need help getting my spark back, I used to love making monsters and characters as a kid.In recent years due to the time it actually takes to TRY and use proper anatomy takes so goddamn long. PLEASE I need anything to cut down the time on making outlines and such. It's killing any enjoyment I get from this. In this little compilation is stuff from this last year. Any guides, links or advice is welcome even if I can't reply. Thanks ahead of time. Fuck Captcha.

30 second gestures

How can I exercise light on solid forms? Is there any worksheet for that? or any greyscale exercise in general.

>>3993866
Just practice. Your hand will get steadier. Eventually you'll be able to go over the same line multiple times and have it look very clean.

I wanna learn more anatomy, and got hampton's figure drawing book with that purpose, but I don't really know what to practice because it doesn't come with exercises. Anyone have a recommended schedule? How do I know when I understand a concept well enough to move on? or is there a more structured course that any of yall recommend?

>>3993796
Nigga you just keep trying.
Go back and fucking from finish that shit
You can always polish a turd but just giving up makes you forever a faggot.

can i get some help on perspective and anatomy please?

>>3994039

You style is actually fairly appealing with minimal rendering

Is my anatomy getting at least decent?

using construction

>>3993826
They seem good.

I'm working on drawing the same picture of three Asuka poses 20 times timing myself each time and reducing the timer each time. I really want to be able to draw anime girls. I can do shitty sketches of other stuff but I just really want to be able to draw cute girls and Mechs.

>>3994077
This is page 3 at 26 mins, I know they're shit.

>>3994078
Page 1 at 30 mins

>>3994048
Remilia Scones.

alright so i was wondering. how come loomis isnt anywhere in the sticky? i thought he was, like, the best one to learn from or something like that.

>>3994078
Ease it on the tension there, pal. This isn’t a family photo.
Lines should be long and loose. Rigidness and sharp turns can go elsewhere.

>>3993814
>"I tried to play the solo from Free Bird for the first time and I played a wrong note so I quit, I'm not cut out for guitar playing."
As if people don't go through that for real.

>>3994100
It's too advanced for /beg/, and Im speaking from experience

I lwish I was back home drawing shitty anime drawings on my tablet

Tfw

>>3994039
I like your take on human Simpsons.

I have no idea what I'm doing please help me.
I wanna get better at this before painting.

i still don't know

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
I DIDN’T DRAW FOR 4-5 DAYS AND I’M NOT EVEN DOING A REAL LIFE STUDY

>>3994157

xcvxcvxcv

>>3993826
They look alright in construction. You just gotta focus on the planes of the nose such that you can determine where the shadows, midtones and highlights go.

>>3994157
Go outside and draw from life

>>3994167
NIGGA, IS YOU HAVIN FUN?

>>3994183
Implying people here go outside.

>>3994187
ya

>>3994189
The average IC poster is like a 16 year old girl or 20 year old discord using furry

Everyone here is a turbo normie

How to do gesture and loose drawing without messing the proportions

>>3994199
Not me faggot, fuck off.

>mfw colourblind
Im not going to make it guys

wat do

>>3994225
black and white concepts anon, dont give up

>>3994228
forgot source: https://blogs.unity3d.com/2015/06/15/making-of-the-blacksmith-concept-and-art-production/

>>3994228
I like colouring, and I can do it well too its just that my colourchoices are off or they end up too saturated

Looking for feedback

>>3994233
enchroma glasses? a bit expensive tho :(

>>3994235
I honestly didnt know these were this "cheap" already
I remember seeing a post a year ago about some early models

Ill just save for that, hope it works when the time comes

>>3994234
Cute and funny.
/ic/ tends to forget what being a kid is like after being told anatomy 100+ times so I like this.

Looking for some critique now that I'm actually drawing daily.

Anyone know any good books/resources on how I can into lighting and properties of light?

Gurney doesn't seem very useful to the absolute novice unless you're looking up something specific.

i'll make sure to do it

>>3994257
shes not supposed to be a kid but ok thanks

i'll make sure to do the loomis can i copy

i could not study one bit today as i was out all day. The worse feeling is not learning anything but at least i got to draw 1 thing.

i know the legs are still bad but can someone tell me if i did the chest correctly. i always feel like i can improve it or its bad

Why does drawing people feel so difficult? It's getting harder to gauge if I'm improving at any kind of speed.

>>3994047
It looks aethetically pleasing but I can't tell if it's technically correct because I'm /beg/

>>3994039
Blog?
Your rendering is nice

>>3994157
Good to see a different pose. It looks like you adapted your process well.

>>3994175
Yeah I need to use more refs. When I went to clean myself off before bed I looked at my nose in the mirror and instantly saw what I was doing wrong and what I needed to do to get it right. Ofcouse I seem unable to take that knowledge with me.

Anyone else invested in a little fixed mirror for their desks?

>>3994263
Just sit down and do it my man. I feel like I look for excuses to put it off but once I get started I have a great time. No idea why it's so hard to just make that initial push down the funslide.

>>3993849
dat nice anon

>>3994047
not bad anon

Is this good? I don't really have an eye for "quality" visual art, but I need something for the cover of a music album, and would very much appreciate any recommendations on how to improve it if it isn't presentable.
>>3993817
I think the landscape is pretty cool on it's own but the planes and dude feel like they aren't from the same world as the painting, if that makes any sense?
>>3994234
I doubt you haven't heard this before, but most people say to not do anime much or at all in the beginning of your art career. Something about how it stunts artistic growth with the large amount of stylization? Draw what you want though.

>>3994017
That looks like a ball of hash

>>3994326
Looks nice enough

once i learn this i'll be able to draw touhou

>>3993814
The ears are far less discriminatory than the eyes.

Drew this and I'm about to head to sleep.

>>3994276
If it helps you understand the concept better. You should try and construct some from imagination too.

>>3994283
Because it is difficult. Look back at previous works, helps sometimes to see improvement.

>>3994416
i think i had the gist of it a few weeks ago, i drew this with the method but never made anything after that

now with some hampton

>>3994428
Is this doing it right?

>>3993680

>>3994469
NIGGA DID I JUST CATCH YOU HAVING FUN?

>>3994234
lmao begs will take the bait without doing a quick search

My first serious attempt at painting colour. Please tell me everything that I did wrong.
Character is looking at an illuminated manuscript with harsh overhead sunlight. It's a panel from a webcomic, so it's supposed to be loose. I already spent too much time on it.
Influenced by Marco Bucci's videos, I didn't do the painting in grayscale first method.
I sampled the sky colour from a photograph.
I learned a lot, which is the important part.

Did some FF7 stuff, I legitimately don't know if my art is trash or not so critique would be really helpful.

I just tried to do a portrait study and I stopped looking at my reference. My drawing is no where near the source, it looks like a old time medieval potato painting at best.
How do you cope with making a hideous drawing?

>>3994115
>loomis
>too advanced for /beg/
???

>>3994501
Didn't you post that face already in the past.

>>3994525
It is not trash but the lighting is a bit all over the place

>>3994326
Looks interesting and mysterious

>>3994100
>how come loomis isnt anywhere in the sticky?
he was though

>>3994476
are you ok dude

>>3994476
kek

>>3994501
Is the character meant to be male or female?

>>3994501
i don't know shit about painting but i like the composition

I'm going to force myself to not use the sampler tool when I paint the skin.
Any critiques on the face? I struggle with faces a lot.

>>3994706
faces are very complex structures I think the best is to keep your measurements in check at all times

>>3994706
Anon are you drawing with your eyes or your head?

>>3994717
Probably head, I was doing that using lines across the reference to get a more accurate proportions. I just hate how bugged eyes the first sketch came out.

I'm buying some stuff from Amazon. What physical art supplies do I get? I was thinking of getting some charcoal pencils, maybe an electric eraser? I dunno, just some fun stuff. What do you guys recommend? Currently I just use a fucking normal ass pencil. Also, what kind of knife do I get to sharpen pencils like a pro?

cranyone could do a redline of this?

>>3993680
Somebody unfuck my eyes, I've been looking at this picture for hours but I can't tell what's wrong.
Is this anatomy right? What can I fix?

>>3994720
Always draw with your eyes. Draw what your eyes see, not your head. Even in art school they will tell you to draw with your eyes.

>>3993707
How did you even do that?
What tutorials are you using?
What programs/brushes are you using?
How did you get the skin tones to look like that?

Big think; Do you guys think that proko himself is making all these memes? Because if you think of it, it's still a form of advertising.

>>3994737
To be honest, I think CONSTANTLY making fun of the guy only discourages people from using him as a resource to learn. Same thing with saying Loomis is a "meme" which isn't helpful to ANYONE. We should stick to making fun of actual bad sources of information.

>>3994605
Retards probaby thought they were a prodigy and went straight to figure drawing instead of Fun with Pencil

>>3994739
I know and I actually have a respect for his work. But seriously, wth happend during that infamous livestream? I still can't believe what he pull of. 10yo kid can draw better kangaroo. I mean, c'mon. What happened? It doesn't make any sense at all. Is he autistic?

>>3994727
Perspective on the legs. Doesn’t look relaxed/slumped enough (i dont feel any weight). Also the deltoids look like shoulderpads. The clavical bone should connect to the top of the shoulder and the deltoid should sorta connect from that bone.

need some advice on pic related. I’ve been trying to exaggerate the cheek bones and parts around the eyes. I want to be able to draw simple faces with some interesting stuff going on, and I like those “edges” of the face.
But something feels off. I don’t know if it’s my foreshortening that’s not acute enough or something else.
Maybe it’s the whole structure idk.
It’s hard to balance having a believable form and doing fun stuff.

>>3994726
Did you use a reference? This is pretty hard pose you have there.

>>3994726

Does this at least look like Billy Herrington?

>>3994788
Yeah my man

>>3994784
yes i did...
>>3994786
thanks anon

>>3994600
Do another one, but better.

I have to heavily relly on reference to draw armpits and even then they oftentimes look wrong.

How do I deal with this most strange and wonderfull part of the human body?

>>3994727
Please learn your anatomy in more detail if you are going to draw stuff like this. Especially the hands and feet look like they are sausage fingers and toes from a silly cartoon. Learn where the elbow is found and how muscles of the arm connect to it.

>>3994780
Is this Grand Moff Tarkin from star wars?

>>3994780
Do you want it to be realistic or animu or comic book?

>>3994827
The armpit is actually the pec.

>>3994837
Hard to say desu. I guess i’m looking for pointers on making this head less wonky.
Might be a case of going back to a more realistic look.
I’ve been trying my hand at comic book style simplifications, but nothing is satisfying me. It is meant to be easier to draw/more angular if that helps.

>>3994827
Middle looks great. Really captures the bone structure underneath.

>>3994780
Really good face you got there Anon you got most of the wrinkles and formes placed well, not realistic but works well! I would lower the cheekbones slightly , in comics they are drawn to point towards the edge of the lips for simplicity's sake. Their centerthe outer edge is lower under the eyes. On thing I would add is that I think that the mouth is was too small on your version a bit feminine even. This can be a choice of style but I think it looked better with ha bit more wider and masculine mouth.
Great stuff none the less, please do more!

>>3994875
Yeah I understand. Pulling in the reins a little bit, sorta.
Gonna try again on the eye and cheek area. See if I can get it closer to “optimal” proportions.
Thanks for the feedback

>>3993820
This board is also full of people who like the idea of being an artist, but don't want to put the work in, they just want attention and/or validation on social media. Others are just trying to scrape the bottom of the art market barrel making porn. Others want free porn, often of the "uncomfortable" type. And there are some who truly want to learn, and I try to help them.
As an aside, I really think this board needs to be split off - one for manga, the other for traditional art and techniques, because most of the arguing and issues is the two camps slapfighting.

>>3994047
Your anatomy is at a point where you need to focus on faces, so they're at the same skill level as the rest. You're on the right path.

>>3994204
You don't worry about proportion as much with gesture. Get in the ballpark, that's good enough. Gesture is about seeing the form in motion, or expressing something, not accuracy.

>>3994501
Time to learn what cool and warm colors are. Skin isn't beige and black. And, the object closest to the viewer should be in focus, you're trying to emulate a photographic effect by blurring the book.

And, take a look at your values. Convert this to black and white. Look at the values. The sky is the most vibrant color in it, so it takes precedent in the eye - you're saying the sky is the most important thing to the viewer. And, the values of the face are disconnected from the hat, because the values are too jarring, and the values of the book are the same as the face, so they appear to be in the same plane in space, and fight for attention.

>>3994875
dont redline for another 2 months.

Someone rate my shitty purple Shrek from memory

>>3994924
I'd say 3 months.

>>3993680
Can I start on digital art? Or I need to be good on paper to switch?

>>3994265
pls respond

>>3994265
Ctlr paint digital painting + color course

>>3993976
Spend more time wtf is the obsession with rushing?it's like you don't want to spend time drawing, you want credit for doing well within a handicap. Fucking stop. You're afraid to see how bad you would be if you actually tried.

Do I have to learn gesture in order to learn figure drawing?

>>3994607
I was asking a different question.
>>3994647
Female. I think I made the brows too thick. And characters tend to look a bit like me, because I observed and practised mainly my own face. So it would have helped if I'd used a reference.
>>3994909
>Time to learn what cool and warm colors are. Skin isn't beige and black.
That is my attempt to do the cool and warm on the face, while respecting the colour of the light sources (atmospheric scattering and golden pages) and skin colour. I'd have added more red to the skin, but the skin is supposed to be pale. How should I have handled it?
I tried picking colours of shadowed skin from photographs. It was way too brown.
>you're trying to emulate a photographic effect by blurring
Shouldn't I? At least one digital artist I follow does it. And Marco Bucci advocates using different degrees of detail to direct the viewer's eyes.
>Convert this to black and white. Look at the values.
I periodically checked with a desaturation filter layer. They looked fine as far as I can tell, apart from your other comments.
I'll try tweaking values and saturation based on your feedback.
Thanks for the feedbacks. I appreciate it.

>>3995055
thank anon I will check it out

>>3995066
You know 30 second gestures are a thing, right? So are 10s gestures.
But he should aim to get more done in 30s than stick figures.

>>3995072

>>3995066
It's a bit early to give advice on subjects you don't really grasp the full subleties of yet.

Phone takes shitty pictures so it's probably out of focus, am i still /beg/ level?

Hi I'm just looking for any critique/advice before I push this picture more. Give me your all!

>>3995171
Post more work. One portrait from reference isn’t enough.

>>3994269
hi anon. keep drawing touhou, its very cute

>>3995175
I don't really do anything else besides portrait

>>3995181

How true is it that drawabox allows you to "have full control over 3d shapes?"

>>3995174
Id say you got the body right but the plane it is sitting has wrong perspective
It should be lowered down more for left side of the plane

>>3995200
Hmm I can't seem to understand what you're saying. Can you draw over it, please?

>>3995181
Nice work anon. How long have you been drawing and what resources you use to learn?

>>3995219
15 years give or take, problem is I'm mostly self taught so there are a bunch of things i cannot really do (hair in particular)
Now I'm trying to get back to drawing after a big pause

>>3994788
dude this is fucking GREAT, keep going!

>>3995152
Impressive

I am hesitant to even post here because honestly, I know what's wrong with my sketches. I know how to fix them. They're terrible because I sketch for 20 minutes here and there with no references no ruler, and I don't bother to rework them later and fix anything up. It's just a compulsion because I enjoy your reactions. Don't let my bad drawings frustrate you.

>>3995258
Like I said I know it's terrible. I upload it anyway.

>>3995258
>>3995264
make your images' size smaller kudasai

>>3994780
>Perspective on the legs. Doesn’t look relaxed/slumped enough (i dont feel any weight). Also the deltoids look like shoulderpads. The clavical bone should connect to the top of the shoulder and the deltoid should sorta connect from that bone.
Thanks, yeah the shoulders looked off but I couldn't really tell what it was
>>3994831
I'm not totally sure what the problem with the hands and feet are other than the positioning of the feet which I can now see are wrong but thank you for your drawing it's helping me see a few other problems in my own.

Okay the quest for cheekbones continues.
Does the thread feel that pic related looks like a “natural” simplification of a face?
The eyes, cheekbones and eyesockets are giving me trouble. That whole area where the skull curves around is very tricky but very appealing, I want to get it right

>>3995283
Cool

>>3995283
uploaded this 1mb pic like a dumbass.
here is resized version

How the fuck do I make this character fit with the background?

>>3995171
>>3995181
>>3995182
They might look good to you, but they are unfinished, messy and you're still symbol drawing. If portraits out of 2D still picutres is your sole aim, then yes, you are very much /beg/.

>>3995311
What the christ are you doing? That fucking elbow! Lmao

>>3995288
Might wanna wrap it up and start drawing something else, no reason to turd polish.

>>3995313
By sole aim I meant if you sole goal is to do portraits then the quality should reflect that, aka they should look at the very least exactly like the original ones.

>>3995316
Which one?

>>3995311
Have you seen the Understanding composition video yet? If not I strongly suggest you do and it should help you with the question at hand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8i7OKbWmRM

>>3995323
Thank you!

>>3995317
pretty rude choice of words but ok

>>3995362
This isn't reddit, at your level trying to add details/render a drawing will just have disminishing returns

What you guys think?

I try to study fundamentals but its so boring so i did some "freestyle"

>>3995365
Forgot to say like a retard, nothing with rendering, but you clearly are taking way too long with this. Just move on and draw more

>>3995205
goodjob anon

I have a hard time using the ball and plane method. couldnt even place the nose right. any tips?

>>3995382

>>3995382
Pretty courageous of you to dive in straight with ink good job at break that wall, it is not easy. What I can suggest is that you just measure a lot before you start any details, measure up the distances of the face's parts and mark them with just single minor lines. Then check the measurements again and again. And only then start to put down the details.

>>3995396
true I just drew everything from top to bottom with the pen in the last step.
thanks really appreciate the reply

>>3995264
lmao were you going for an extreme perspective on this one or is his hand just massive? Probably the best blocker in the league with that thing.

Any critique? I think this is one of my best digital artworks yet :D

trying different approaches
they are all pretty cringe

>>3995288
Cheekbones are still lower bro.
Pic not by me I googled it.

Figure studies today.

Is her anatomy broken?
Am I analyzing this pose correctly?

>>3995445
Your values are too patchy to be making correct judgements. Fill in areas completely or use a toned canvas.

What I'm failing at bros? :(

Crit on values?

>>3995436
Stop bothering with superficial shit, study fundamentals, you'd think that if everyone repeats this advice people would take it but I guess not..

>>3995445
Are you practicing construction of the face or copying? Bc it looks like both at once, the placement and anatomy is all over the place

>>3995432
in all honesty, at first i wanted to do an extreme perspective but after a while i realized it made no sense. that hand is further back than the rest of his body. there's no way it could be closer to the camera and appear larger, but i just wanted to keep sketching anyway, so i just embraced the enormous hand and didn't bother making sense of that arm.

>>3995545
How can the anatomy be broken if its a real person anon

>>3995574
Not much here, but you should work on relying on the construction a bit less

>>3995585
I can't seem to find her ribs or belly or anything.

I can't fucking do it. how do i twist form. i'm using boxes to create it but when i follows hamptons advice i still can't do it

do i use boxes and ovals to make the body

how do i add the details into a stomach area

>>3995545
OP
I'm about to fucking lose it

I'm confused about drawing perfect squares, to use as a grid unit for my drawings. The books I read say you should place the standing point at a right angle from the vanishing points and place the diagonal vanishing point at 45º and use it to find the square depth. So would both of these be correct and why should I choose one over another? On Successful drawing Loomis says to just draw a first square and use its diagonal vanishing point for the others; so its the dpv arbitrary or there's a correct spot to place it?

>>3995609
Why is she covered in steel wool?

>>3995545
tracing arbitrarily and analyzing are not the same thing

>>3995578
He's already produced more than 50% of people in this thread who never get beyond boxes and Loomis head lineart.

I don't know if this is the right thread or even the right board but does anyone have any advice for cartography, specifically more artistic cartography?

I just got a Deco 03 to improve my drawing, I do graphic design but most of my work is just putting shapes together for logos and flyers and stuff.

I feel like if I improve my drawing it will improve my graphic design, but this is the beginning of my progress I guess.

Just fucking around with this drawing but I'm following a book and taking tips, planning to practice on my own a decent amount but leave thoughts if you'd like

>>3995610
The standing point represents the viewer. If your standing point in 6 inches below the horizon then your drawing is meant to be viewed 6 inches away from your face. Determine the first vanishing point, then the second vanishing point needs to be a 90 degree angle from the standing point. Then find the 45 degree angle and connect your standing point to the horizon line, draw a line from this point to the corner of your square. Now you have the two diagonal corners of your square.

>>3994706
Try flipping the image upside down and copying the shapes you see.

On your drawing, you have made several alterations to her face. I think you're drawing what you think is there as opposed to what you are actually seeing.

>>3995711
On Successful drawing Loomis says to just draw a first square and use its diagonal vanishing point for the others; so its the dpv arbitrary or there's a correct spot to place it? On 1 point perspective for example you can put the standing point closer or further to the horizon line and that changes where your dvp falls on the horizon line.

>>3995740
I think you are meant to reuse the dvp for the other squares, not make a new one. And yes it matters where the sp is. In red I put extreme sps. One is extremely close to the horizen line meaning the veiwer is meant to have their eyes a centimeter from the page. The other is far to the left so the viewer is meant to look at the drawing with their peripheral vision. Both dont really make sense. The blue lines are roughly 30 degrees and create a cone of vision for your drawing, things outside of the cones really start to get warped. Most paintings and drawings have their sp 2x the height of the painting below the horizon line, so a 5 foot painting is meant to be viewed 10 feet away, a 12 inch drawing is meant to be viewed 24 inches away which is reasonable.

Watch videos by Erik Olson, I learned perspective from him.

>>3995753
do you have a magnet for the videos?

>>3995774
its on cg peers, go make an account you can sign up every 1 and 15 of each month

>>3995602
lmao use a reference bro it's like you've only ever seen/drawn torsos from the frontal plane

>>3995778
cgpeers doesn't have the 17-21 videos do you know where i can find them?

can i use hitokaku or is that for stylizing only

>>3995798
NIGGA, IS YOU GONNA RUN AWAY FROM LOOMIS?

Still learning how to use charcoal correctly, can I get a critique/redline on this portrait i did?

ref: img1.wsimg.com/isteam/ip/e447419f-7200-4240-9090-26bc61d6e2b2/2-4e2e0d3b.jpg/:/

>>3995798
It's a good alternative if Loomis is too heavy for you.

should i add black lines to this

>>3994788

>>3995798
why do they look like they have no volume?

>>3995877
Volume? Who said something about volume. Bitch you listening?

Ah, so this is the power of Hampton.

>>3995886
man,fuck you

>>3995889
bridgman is better

>>3995894
>>3995886
Ah, so this is the power of /beg/.

>>3995896

>>3995895
When people say study Bridgeman do they have a specific book in mind or just his artwork in general?

>>3995877
he add volume in the 3rd step

I want to draw a DW cutie but I don't know which one and /v/ anons are pushing me away again because I'm too /beg/ for them.

>>3995904
He didn't.

>>3995901
if you wanna start studying do complete guide to drawing from life but you can study everything really, is it up to you

>>3995907
Don't you have a drawthread to circlejerk in.

>>3995908
yes he did

>>3995911
No.

>>3995913
I know it's you goseb. Been hanging out with Rinafag?

>>3995913
yes

>>3995914
I don't know who you are, I've never been hanging out with Rinafag.

>>3995877
is this volume?

>>3995943
What's this

hey guys question. If i read Figure Drawing: Design And Invention, will i be able to draw at least well enough or is it a waste of time and jack hamm book is worth studying more?

>>3995313
What is symbol drawing and do you know any resources for portrait in specific i can look into to improve?

Need critique

>>3995993
Neck looks broken, her left arm should be longer

>>3995952
this will explain

>>3995952
Symbol drawing is a meme, created by /ic/ make itself sounds smart.

>>3995943
>>3995943
i dont know what it is but the body looks like thin cardboard. i cant feel the mass in them

>>3996045
no its not. its written about in many of the best scientific publications on the psychology of vision. Rudolf Arnheim, professor and author of Art and Visual Perception, used the art of ancient Egypt as the best example of symbol drawing. The eye is portrait because that is the clearest visual idea of an eye, but the face and feet are profile because that is the clearest visual idea of those parts of the body. that is the rationale of symbol drawing. you see it all the time in the art of primitives and especially the art of children, which Arnheim and many german gestalt psychologists took interest in.

>>3995993
resize and maybe more people will help

how do lads

i seem to often end up going for contour drawing when im drawing from reference, unconsciously

>>3994903
Nice, got any source for getting better at faces other than Drawing the Head and Hands by Loomis?

Can someone please help me on line art? I draw digitally, but unless I do fast, swooping motions, my art is unsteady and shaky looking. So when I draw I spend so much time drawing, not getting a curve or line right, undoing, and repeating.

I have such a fear of like a “right” way to look professional that I spend far too much time on simple drawings. Like, should my lines always meet or is it okay to have them loose and varied?

I saw a guy named Tradd Moore whose work is so smooth and clean and I think mentally that’s what a pro comic artist should be, but I know it’s not the case.

I’m working on a comic and I’m driving myself nuts because I’m too afraid of taking a risk over something that’s probably in my head.

>>3996110
stop drawing digitally, the physical materials and the harsh boundaries of reality are what produce masters

started on Loomis today

didnt have my artbook at hand, so i had to resort to my phone for loomis heads. its really bothering me now that they all look super similar, flat, and bland

>>3994827
Anatomy4Sculptors have a very amazing section on armpits with planar and anatomical breakdowns from all sorts of angles and position

Anyone has a magnet for New Masters Academy - Perspective 17-21 With Erik Olson? they only have it up to 16 on cgpeers.

need advice for drawing consistent forms

I'd like to improve on ink drawings, I really like their aesthetic.
What's the best way to give the illusion of being covered with fur without making the whole thing looks messy and over detailed?

>>3996481
Is that snufkin? Do you have a discord anon? I need art friends with taste. Also do drawabox rotating boxes or watch krenz tutorial on the topic

>>3994998
guys??

>>3996110
1. It's all just practice. Practice making circles, ellipses, straight lines and connect the dots.
2. As long as it is deliberate there is no "right" or "wrong". The only "wrong" is when you're trying to achieve something and don't (because of lack of skill) and you call it your style. If you enjoy one style over the other than draw that style. If not, see point 1.
3. Taking risks is good, but you also should be prepared to fail. If by risk you mean "post subpar content online" then it's not a risk. Be okay with it and move on. Otherwise you're never going to post or publish anything. See https://youtu.be/6BzCDVR-tr8?t=278

Good luck, anon.

How can I tell if my boxes are wrong if I don’t have practice with perspective?

Is art classes worth taking?

I'm in a good work flow when it comes to practice, but I'm seriously terrified of taking a real class.

I've been to classes before, but ended up wasting my money as I was so fucking afraid of asking questions and showing artistic weaknesses.

I know there's stuff you'd only learn from a real class though, so i'm really split.

>>3996561
Draw a grid/vanishing point. Spoiler alert: theyre wrong. Take your time if you cant do it right.

>>3996505
Yeah it is, my discord is #3130. Thanks for the advice

Does anyone else watch Sinix's anatomy videos? I try to learn from them but I can't draw them still. Whenever I start to put my pencil down and make a mark I feel the wrongness vibrating through my body. I don't want to make ugly art anymore.

>>3996561
practice perspective

>>3996498

Pick a small area to emphasize the detail and then the viewer can fill in the rest of it. On yours it seems that the claw is chitinous but the arm is furry so you could add more detail to the transition.

>>3996592
What’s your discord name? I can’t add with just id lol

>>3996647
Sorry lmao it's taylor, still new to discord

>>3996561
for an 8 point object to be considered a box it must be described by two only metrics; height and width. a cube occurs when height = width. the lattice that connects these points must be 90 degrees orthogonal to each other. the 3 vanishing points you define for the box will decide on the relative dimensions required to be placed on your 2d canvas. >>3996613 is right.

>>3996610
cool

So I'm still going through fundamentals and like to sketch characters for kicka on the side. However I have little to know clue on how to draw hands, compared to the rest of the human form. I plan on working on them once my fundamental studies reaches figure drawing, but is it alright to just say fuck it and attempt to learn hands now?

>>3996674
Do your fundies exercises first and then practice hands. Like doing light cardio after some heavy lifting.

>>3995664
Try /gd/? I don't know how much fundamentals would actually translate if you literally only care about cartography

>>3994998
Starting with digital art is fine, though going from digital to traditional can be a bit hard. It's always good to be able to draw on paper so you can practice anywhere.

Crit me

drew this last night, and have decided i should finish it
can i get some anatomy help before i color it though?
any other help is welcome too but all of these colors and "shading" are just placeholder so I know where it all goes

I know these are a bit wonky and proportions are wack, but I only started getting into face drawing seriously, so I want some critique to help me improve what's the most wrong about faces I draw.

>>3996929
And here's some digital work I did today. (I'm reading Loomis)

>>3993680
how to practice perspective

>>3996929
Take your time measuring angles. You tend to slant to the left. Correcting that will be a good start.

Destroy me.

How is this so far?

>>3997035
tone down the weirdass highlights she looks like she’s made of plastic

>>3997039
The way that the outline of the fan is parallel with her arm makes a weird visual tangent— it kind of looks like she’s got a really skinny arm at first glance. Maybe adjust her pose a bit to avoid that from happening.

>>3997035
Those nipples are way too big imo, also her hips too big I think you should shrink the hip and expand the ass you should post this in the alt thread not /beg/

Why are lips so difficult, especially from the profile? Any tips and/or resources for getting the hang of them?

>>3997052
Why? (About the last statement.)

>>3997075
you aren't likely to get reliable help from the people in this thread, and the work is beyond beginner, and you are already starting to stylize your work.

>>3993680
Looking for idea help to make similar things to pic related. I would love any ideas for albums/logos to combine. An art hoe at uni made it for me a while back but I can do some decent stuff myself so more difficult ideas are welcome.

ps
mind my shit lighting that makes the letters look like crap, they look great in person. And ill post pics of anything I make if anyone cares enough

>>3997086
sorry for breaking the pixels run phone posting fucked up the file

>>3997015
You're right, I can't unsee it now, thanks.

>>3993848
Then fuck off retard lol
Its really tiresome to interact with people like you, always with the gonna kill myself boo hoo I'm bad at everything why cant god just zap talent into me without any effort on my part? Nobody can help you until you stop being a faggot.
4 simple steps to gitting gud right here:
1. Find a way to have fun
2. Draw like a motherfucker
3. Find books on subjects you want to learn (read the sticky)
4. Keep fucking drawing

Literally no other way to become better

how hard would it be for a beg to paint this? w acryllic. i've never painted before but i’m fairly good with graphite

>>3996211
imo the eye shapes and noses feel very similar to each.

using hitokaku

give criticism friends, is the best of my rendering abilities right now

>>3994729
Sorry for the late reply but I used mainly the round brush with max hardness, and then some texture brushes from Greg Rutwoski brush set I think.

Not any specific tutorial, just trying to mimic some nice images I found on arstation from Lixin Yin, trying to learn how to shift hues and values for the skintones.

>>3996786
thanks

new >>3997239

>>3995943
Source? This is what I NEEED

some Loomis progress, the smut bit in the end I just made on my own, kind of surprised I'm already capable of making my own poses

>>3997064
Have you watched Sinix' lip/mouth video?

This is it. I finally got to the point where my art is not good enough for me and I need to work on my anatomy. How the fuck do I study books in digital?

>>3994219
how about you fuck off, autist