/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

i think i understand the loomis now

cute!

>>3929105
is that a plate?
>>3929093
cute

>>3929110
yes kek

while i was waiting for the rice to cook

Is there any free software for creating poses? I want a specific squatting position for a woman (it's not porn, honestly) and I am losing my mind figuring out how the legs meet the crotch like this.

if i geek out anatomy like a braindead degenerate everyday for 6 hours and already have fundamentals about volume, been sketching for a few years already so i guess hand control is ok, and considering all that practice and discipline that will come with it, could this be a guaranty i'll be able to decently draw a human body anyway i want in an x amount of time? i mean, i'm ready to do it. But i'm scared i'm going to miss out on something else, and this kinda kills the juice to go for it

>>3929152
You can use pose editors in games like sexvilla or one of the recent ones from illusion for that.

>>3929218
I think I'll pass on that.

>>3929222
There's also Virt-A-Mate that has a great poser. And it's not only available for VR now.

>>3929233
Anon, pls.

Why did someone give me a "ngmi" for this on the previous beg thread?

>>3929241
because ngmi is an overused meme that people throw out all the time

>>3929241
gmi

>>3929241
This is fine, ngmi is what failed artist from art schools throw around all the time.

Did this cloth study while at my mother's home today. Feel like this helped stamp the "paint shapes, not symbols" dictum into my head a bit more.

/ic/, am I GMI?

>>3929279
(goddammit I need a scanner)

>>3929241
Please tell me how did you get this good at drawing machines. Any book, or course, or just grinding?

>>3929284
Watch as many YouTube tutorials as you can. I never found any books helpful. These are just blocked out. First is 1 point perspective. Similar to what scott Robertson often does but I've never read his books although he is emensly talented and you could probably learn a lot from him. 2nd is basically just a cube with bits and pieces cut out. If you remove it from one side you just go across and remove it from the other. 3rd is just side view. It's the easiest. Look into proportion. I can crank out 100 random side views in my sleep. That's probably where you should start.

>>3929279
Good shit Anon! Do it more!

>>3929284
Not him but scott robertson how to draw covers that well.

Is there some kind of online resource where i can access pictures of male and female models?

was gonna post this in the pron thread but then I realised im /beg/ tier. what do you fellow anons think?

>>3929322
I'm gonna say the 'L' word.

>>3929322
Why in fuck's name would you draw the shin bones like that? And that toothless mouth. Lol

Do you guys have a preference between digital and traditional when starting to practice? I only have experience with traditional but I feel like with digital you have so many more options open to you...

>>3929327
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>3929319
https://www.quickposes.com/en

You must be new here. Check the Library menu on quickposes and there is plenty of things to find.

I have no clue how to star coloring, i spent most of my life drawing with pen and paper and now that i have all the colors that computers can offer i feel lost, any worthwhile tutorials ?

>>3929355
Just try whatever until you get it right. Easiest way to learn colors is to make them and experiment with them until you get the right effect. Why do you think every artist's palette looks like a mess? Because even the masters take a few tries to get the right shading, skin tone, and/or texture.

>>3929355
Try the Understanding color video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj1FK8n7WgY

>>3929245
>>3929273
What does it mean? 'not gonna make it'?

>>3929385
yes

>>3929387
Ah, that's a pretty retarded thing to say, isn't it? At least, unironically.

>>3929222

>>3929388
Like I said 'ngmi' is basically a common meme and general insult/mockers of someone's work/idea here on /ic/.

>when a certain part of your drawing never gets any better no matter how many times you redraw it
I suppose I can at least be happy that I know it looks shitty, I just lack the ability to correct it.

>>3929401
pyw and maybe we can help

>>3929401
Or maybe you keep doing it the same way and making the same mistakes.

>>3929403
I would just be posting a blank face because I already erased the old one
>>3929405
This is true

>>3929415
Drop your ego. Just go into it like a baby. Just for one day pretend you know nothing about drawing. Pretend you are someone who never even tried drawing. Treat this the way you would treat learning a foreign language. Go on YouTube, type how to Draw a face. Go through the first 5 videos. Do everything they say. Don't act like you're above it. Don't take any shortcuts. Don't assume you knew any of what they say. Just accept it. Do what they tell you as best as you can with no distractions. When you're don't with all 5 videos, try again. Post your results here.

Critique, tips, thoughts on my anatomy would be great.

>>3929496
So you can't draw hands but you know all the muscles of the body? Interesting. What 3d model or picture of an action figure did you trace?

>>3929502
Forgot to link picture

>>3929502
>>3929503
>So you can't draw hands but you know all the muscles of the body?
I got troubles but its not that bad.
>What 3d model or picture of an action figure did you trace?
Its not traced

Holy shit, I think I might be starting to get it. I kept in mind the last feedback I got (>>3927138) and gave Hampton's chapter on gesture another read (his book was the first one I tried to read but most of what he said went right above my head, and his construction and anatomy knowledge quickly scared me away).

After this second read I tried to incorporate his 'asymmetry', 'repetition' and 'timing' ideas on my drawings. I also made sure I was exaggerating important angles on the pose and drawing long curves following the 'movement' and not the contours. Something I believe he doesn't explicitly mention but I thought was important is the way he shows torsion: he combiness torsion with compression. I knew from Huston and gesture videos that one should identify the side that is streched and the one that is compressed, but Hampton's drawings blend torsion and compression into the same gesture/line, which I think looks really nice.

I warmed up with 2 min photos from Quickposes trying to transition from Huston's to Hampton's style and then this came out.

I didn't get an answer to my last question (>>3928239) but maybe it makes more sense to practice this way with timed poses. If I were to actually draw the figure I shouldn't be worrying about time, right? Does that makes sense?

ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTZDv6NuVcY

Real life study. I ended up moving the arm too close to the head, closer than the reference and subsequently gave up on getting the hand right. That wasn’t good.

>>3929519
Wait so I critique your picture by saying the hands look terrible and your answer is, >no I'm good at hands look at this other picture? Ffs

>>3929537
Nice frogposting brainlet

>>3929533
teach us anon

>>3929536
Quick, read Drawn to Life Vol 1-2. Thank me later for mad gainz.

>>3929152
http://justsketch.me/

Took a small break but back on Keys of Drawing to learn observational skills. Doing the pepper exercise (draw from memory, then reference) with a ballpoint pen (can choose any drawing medium).

Are you all sure this will help me make comics in the future?

>>3929537
crabby cunt

Anyone have any tips on drawing gunfire? Like muzzle blast and stuff?

>>3929536
Good shit construct Anon! Have you considered simplifying your construction methods a bit to shorten your process and do more practice?

i can't focus on drawing for more than 45 minutes at a time, you guys. it feels like so long...

>>3929628
That is prefectly fine anon just take a break, take a break every 30 minutes if you want to. As long as you get shit done it doesn't mater and breaks are important part of the process. They give your body a chance to move, to clear your mind of your work and to get a fresh look at it when you come back.

>>3929394
You're right, anon, that's literally me (the Japanese women with the fine titties).

>>3929583
Perfect.

am I expected to finish the 250 Box Challenge before moving on to Lesson 2 of drawabox?

Wip. What do y’all think?

>this quickpose image
t-there's no way those aren't photoshopped, right?

>>3929675
ngmi
>>3929671
ngmi (nigger gon make it)

>>3929675
ngmi (Not Gonna suck on her MIlkers)

>>3929664
only if all boxes are perfect. if not you start again until they are. how do you think rambo became the world champion? grind kid grind!!!

3 days of doing Draw with a Pencil. I'm trying to take my time with it instead of just skimming through everything then getting mad I'm not a god of drawing in half an hour.
Aside from the shitty lines in the ear and glasses I kinda like it. Some proportions and landmark positions are wrong but I feel like the style of the drawing lets me get away with it a little bit.
Criticism and pointers are welcome :)

>>3929685
*Fun With a Pencil. ngmi confirmed

Any ideas on why her face ended up being shit?

>>3929675
It is photoshopped but not in the way you would expect. Whoever touched up this photo was a retard and morphed her torso strangely, especially under her tits.

>>3929671
Looks real good bruh. You're good at shading. The features themselves look a little Pixar ish. But better than I can do.

>>3929693
hi, same anon as yesterday. What do you perceive to be a problem with her face?

finally finished this

>>3929763
Thank you again for your help, it may just be a syndrome of staring at it too long but I feel like her eyes look bad. Or the mask is just lazily constructed. But that's more of a problem for /asg/ I guess. Pic related is the sort of cute eyes I like in splatoon art.

>>3929693
>>3929772
The eyes looks bad because you let them be a really wonky shape. The nose is a bit weak too and personally I'd give it a line
not the redline anon btw

>>3929793
I'll give it another shot when I get home.

Where the fuck does the Latissimus dorsi connect to the arm? Im trying to draw a muscular armpit but i cant make heads or tails of this fucking muscle.

>>3929772
Ok, let us analyze the eyes. I have noted some observations here.

Yours are slightly closer to each other but the 3rd eye distance between is relatively okay. Notably yours are missing a pupil and the iris is way smaller which gives her a more mature older look I thought this was intentional considering she looks older in general because of the more adult body compared to the usual child body of woomies. It is good that you shaded the white part fo the eye as well that can help. Yours has massive eye lashes.

The ref has 3 different highlights one from above one from below and one from the side it has a pupil and the iris very large, and the upper eyelid covers it slightly to make it look like in a more natural resting state. She doesn't have visible lashes to add to a more childish look.

I tried to find a middle ground between the two on the tp right.

Other stuff I would add, for shading use colors that tare similar to the base color like a bit more red for the skin instead of grey.

Did this help?

drawabox is crushing my desire to live with the 250 box meme
someone tell me that it's just a bad joke and I can achieve my goals without it

>>3929801
Anon you're a god. I'm not that guy but I wish my teach was half as good at breakdowns and redlines as you
>>3929805
Go read >>3925876

Retard here, I'm beginning on shading stuff and I am aware of the 5 value types: highlights, midtone, core shadow, reflective light and cast shadow. My question is can something already in core shadow be affected by cast shadow, within the same object? i.e. wrinkles on a shirt? Or is that just varying values of core shadow? Does cast shadow overshadow core shadow? IM CONFUSED

For digital art, is it worth getting a cheaper tablet without a display, or should i not bother unless i can afford a screen tablet?

>>3929816
have you seen this video yet? It might help answering your question.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fLV5ezO64w

>>3929801
As the other guy said, this is a pretty phenomenal break down. Yes, it helped quite a bit.

>>3929821
thanks dad im learning alot

PERSPECTIVE IS HARD

>>3929519
That's alright, but remember that the outer fingers curve towards the middle finger.

>>3929322
>>3929868
Got twitters?

How do I get correct proportions in gesture drawing? I'm told I shouldnt worry about i but it bothers the hell out of me.

>>3929869
Yup you right, notice that while looking on my hand. Thanks anon.

>>3929536
Do you have autism/aspergers? I've never seen someone do so many drawings with the exact same static method over and over.

>>3929519
proof that you dont suck at drawing hands is a picture of poorly drawn hands.

How important are good quality pencils and having variety between them?

>>3929019
Damn. I want to say that it's not that bad since the colors are nice but then again it is quite bad. BUT this is a good thing, it shows lurking on /beg/ improves you, I would have found this a cute drawing a few weeks ago.

ahhh tried to do stuff and be quick about it but I didn't like using charcoal. It seemed like a waste and I had to sharpen my pencil a ton. Critiques welcome. Should I be quicker? Am I putting too much detail?

i think this belongs here
should i be using a bigger range of values? am i pillow shading?

>>3930062
yes
no

Is this the only possible method of doing this? Earnest book is getting on my nerves with this pro shit on later pages. I'm doing this on traditional and can't do half of this

>>3929971
Did i said that i don't suck at drawing hands? No, i just said that i have troubles with them and its not that bad like in my figures.
Other anon assumed me of not knowing how to draw hands at all along with knowledge of human body muscles which probably caused that i got accused of tracing.
Gonna draw hands and get better at this subject for sure. Anyway my intent was to find out how my anatomy look because i think there is lot to improve. I spent so much time and effort to get where i'm now and the only thing that i got from people in this thread is suspicion about cheating, pepe the frog and some kind of soft humiliation. I'm mad.

>>3929422
This is good advice.

>>3929800
It goes under scapula, its not connected to the arm

>>3930075
this seems awfully complex for essentially drawing a modified cylinder

whats wrong in general and why do the ribcage marks i draw look bad?

>>3930100
its twisted too much learn how joints of spine work

>>3930100
legs way too long

>>3929241
the car above seems to have too much depth.

>>3929319
http://www.artmodeltips.com/poses/

>>3930099
I think the same thing in various chapters

Somebody said "add some light to shine on her bust too, in feints"

I know that he wants the pair of plant titties to shine but I dont know what "in feints" mean

>>3929322
first study basics rules like this. then you can break the rules.

>>3930152
You can also find other proportions that you like. but do not forget the basics.
example pic

Sad to see these threads devolving to people just attacking each other, again.

This is why 4chan is the worst environment to learn art in.

Like the 3rd thing I've ever drawn sans stick figures. I have such a hard time figuring out hair.

>>3930160
yikes yuck

>>3930154
fuck off faggot

>>3929422
i agree

Picture posted weird first time. Anyhow, this is only like the 3rd thing I've drawn besides stick figures. Can't figure hair our worth a shit. I just want to be able to draw cute girls.
>>3930161
Thanks.

I can't figure out how the anatomy of the nose fits into my nose. My nose is like a sphere. I'm forcing this. I don't get it.

>>3929771
That's the tiniest mammoth i've ever seen

>>3929818
I prefer non display tablets, but I also prefer huion to wacom so maybe my tastes are just shit, wacom drivers turned me off them and the glass separating your pen from where you draw on display tablets I could never get over

>>3930162
The crab bucket speaks.

>>3930124
thanks for the tip b0ss

>>3929888
Keep in mind only some basic proportions. And do not worry too much about that.

>>3930062
yes
unfortunately no

How does one develop soul
Not my art btw, it's an example of soulful art

>>3930257
gesture and not being afraid of making mistakes

is NMA worth it?

>>3930299
Just use cgpeers.

>>3930286
Mistakes are just happy opportunities

How's this? I haven't drawn much, but I feel like I mentally improved just by reading that the secret to fine anime is drawing the thinnest lines you can.
I tried to do thin lines and ended up making them thicker at the end, but I had special care when making the drawing, as if it was a life or death situation.

how do i put a body at the loomis head? thats a killer for me

>>3930257
i thought that was an example of soulless art so i guess it's subjective nigga

>>3930257
"Soul" is a meme here. Disregard it.

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but am I not using the correct brushes/opacity/thickness settings in Photoshop or something? Like what is the difference between things I draw (like pic related) and other shit that people draw digitally? Also disregard pony shit, it's for a friend.

As someone who is a beginner and has only used pencil / paper, How weird is it adjusting to a draw pad? I know it's not some magic tool that makes you better, but is it even worth grabbing a cheap one to practice with?
I was looking at something like XP-Pen StarG640 6x4 or Huion H420 as a starting tool. yes, no? pros, cons?

>>3930360
That's nice rendering, care to show examples of "what other people draw"? Mind you, I'm also a /beg/

Here I just wanted to draw a cute anime girl reaching out for stars or a butterfly and I didn't know what to do with the rest of the drawing, so I turned it into a murder scene

Here I just wanted to draw a cute anime girl reaching out for stars or a butterfly and I didn't know what to do with the rest of the drawing, so I turned it into a murder scene

>>3930383
hello mexifriend

So im at the basics of the basics. I know people say to just draw things you are interested in but it feels like i'm learning the wrong way. Currently reading drawing with the right side of your brain and I feel like it's helping but I dunno. I really am interested in figure drawing but I feel like its way beyond my current skill of less than zero.

>>3930393
I should have known better

I made it to the 250 box challenge /beg/. What should I do to prepare? Should I sleep before starting? What should I eat? More protein for the energy? Sugar for instant boost? I made sure to pack a big water bottle. Let me know if you have any tips. Thanks

>>3930048
Would marry

I will be setting up my studio in the next few months, and I'm wondering if itd be best to buy all of the sketchbooks for the year in one go? It might be intimidating to have a lot of empty sketchbooks, but on the other hand, I feel like I draw less when I have supplies I feel I might run out of.

>>3929585
For comics, I would recommend copying everything from a visual dictionary to get your visual library up. Observational skills will help, so don't stop that, but with comics it's important to be familiar with drawing many different things.

>>3929209
Do it. Just make sure you actually understand the anatomy, instead of just copying mannequins and forms. You are translating poses, not copying. Once you understand the anatomy, muscle groups, etc, you will never make huge errors again. It's worth it.

>>3929333
You should draw with whatever makes you want to draw. You can learn with any medium. With digital, though, it is very easy to fix mistakes, and then you don't have a record of the mistake you made to remember not to do it the next time. That's the major downside, and you would have to be extremely disciplined to avoid it.

How the fuck am I supposed to study bridgman? Are his books even worth studying for a /beg/? It is all so stylized that I feel like I'm not learning anything.

How do I hold a tablet pen? I can't figure it out for the life of me.

>>3930037
wtf i never ever posted on /ic/ before i made that post

i definitely did not want it as the OP that's for sure Smh i just wanted to figure out the damn lighting

Hardly ever draw but I wanted to draw my skyrim character
Pretty shit but what do you guys think

>>3929771
Poses are a little stiff, study gesture and line of action.

>>3929818
It depends on what youre using it for. If it's just going to sit in your room, you can get by without a display. But ipads and display tablets are good as a replacement sketchbook when it's windy or raining.

>>3930021
I feel it's very important. Since you're using them every day, it's best if you don't have to struggle with the medium. You don't need a full set of 22 though.

>>3930100
There is no clear indication of where the weight is leaning on the figure, try to pose like that and youll figure out what's wrong. You need to emphasize where her weight is being supported.

>>3930299
In my opinion, yes, if you don't learn well from books. I've improved loads in just a week. I don't pay for a coach though, cant tell you if that is worth it.

>>3930324
Good start, the biggest issue I see is your line flow. Try changing your grip:

https://youtu.be/TKagPZSLq6Y

>>3930491
Eyes are to high, head not centered with the body, ayyy head shape, also the sworsd handle is too small

>tfw spent 3 hours to make a mannequin

That being said, can I finally start drawing? I feel a little iffy on the torso area. Her right thigh might also have more meat than it should have

Any advice to improve this? I don't know how to shade in screentones yet

>>3930592
No, it's perfect

Do I really need angled surface to work on in pencil drawing?
Fucking gay but I keep smudging with my drawing hand so I guess it's a must.

>>3930048

I don't think it has too much details, it looks good.
Very precise drawing. Natural and expressive with little.

Trying to reach this level on quicksketch right now.

>>3930650

It will surely improve your comfort and precision. But i dont think it pays for the investment.
Smudging a drawing is ok, specialy if charcoal drawing

>>3930592
make the girls head smaller in the last panel

>>3930650
What i found the most issue with flat surface is distortion made by looking at paper from an angle tho.

>>3930397
You just sort of have to do it. Part of advancing in a skill is engaging in tests and seeing where your current skill fails to meet your goal. You can sit and mope all day about being bad but that doesn't get you any closer to not being bad. Once you go out and make an attempt and fail you'll be able to see where you lack. The actual finding out though will require failure and then some critical thinking an analysis to find your gaps
>>3930421
8 hours of sleep
Go make some scrambled eggs and add some vegetables to it. I recommend lightly frying some onions and peppers and then adding those
Sugar is going to make you crash
I know you're probably being ironic but everyone should do this stuff daily whenever they're going to have a big drawing day

>tfw trying to draw humans in perspective

>>3930397
Are you me? Cause I'm in the exact same spot and not having much fun drawing stuff I see, trying to see shapes and shit. Wanna draw hot women, dammit.

Can someone give me some directions to fix this?

>>3930397
The best way to get good at figures is to draw figures. If you're new it's understandable that they're daunting but you should start doing them as soon as possible. Stylized human figure is basically a bunch of boxes, spheres and cylinders linked up together; just see it as an occasional big exercise where you link primitives into human shapes.

>>3930762
Needs more vilpu or Hampton. Lines are in the right place but there’s no form to the chick. Too flat

>>3930762
The neck is super long

What book teaches me to DRAW HUMANS in PERSPECTIVE

>>3930766


>>3930768

Thanks guys. Gonna try again after some research on that.
Im kinda having a hard time trying not to "rush" on drawing. Like im skipping the fundamentals and going straight to the 'idea' i want to put on paper.
Do you have some tips to not losing focus on the boring fundamentals study?

>>3930779
Any book that teaches foreshortening

Same anon as >>3929279, did this from LineOfAction while trying to practice the things I've learned from Edwards.

/ic/, how far am I along the /beg/ road?

looking at Oddworld art and thinking about how I'll never be able to create stuff like this
feels bad

I'm tempted to skip the 250 box challenge and move onto the other exercises since they seem more immediately useful, and drawing boxes is making me want to blow my brains out

Gesture drawing makes no goddamn sense. Am I using the wrong medium? Am I drawing too small? How the hell do I know I'm even doing it right?

>>3930795
For me it was hands. It was a total slog and didn't get it until I saw one in a book resting hands overlapped together, meatily resting. Before, I was bruteforcing trying to get exact hands right, making measurements, ratios, dimensions and stuff. But after seeing that artwork, I just gave myself the freedom to make obvious mistakes and enjoy the possibilities of how expressive hands can be. That is to say, I guess I moved away from structure and more to gesture.

That's the basic idea of drawing as a whole anyways - getting the idea and refining it in the limits of how you structure it.

>>3930765
Alright, thank you. I was just worried that I'd be learning wrong. I should stop seeing this as a linear pathway and more of..something else Thanks again anon I'm feeling it

>>3929019
got a quick questions about this pic related. What kind of style is this? Did the artist just use lots of quick strokes? Is it Mass painting?

>>3930846
Boxes are a meme. Just draw whatever you want. As long as you're sufficiently self-critical, you'll improve.

>>3930856
If it looks good you're doing it right. But yea draw big. You're trying to capture the "energy" of the object, as if you were drawing it in mid-motion. Think of it like a pattern or a ripple in the water - when one thing happens, it creates a chain effect on everything else on that thing.

>>3930877
Oh yea, I probably should have mentioned this, but it's usually 1 or 2 lines that set the pace for the object. Squint at something, and the biggest, most recognizable arc/shape has that 1 or 2 essential line(s) you're looking for.

>>3930877
>>3930883
Guess I need to buy a larger sketchbook bigger than the standard 9 x 12.

>>3930871

https://vimeo.com/112979490

Watch the process video

>>3930860
So it is better to prioritize the gesture/expression over structure/accuracy?

>>3930877
these green arrows are ridiculous and contrived

>>3930891
>>3930913
Cleared it up a bit to make more sense

>>3930912
I wouldn't say prioritize. In order to exaggerate stuff, you gotta know what it is your exaggerating. Just don't be hard on yourself for not getting it right, make note of one or two mistakes and try to get better at the next one. Churn them out.

Helps to have your inspirations and motivations on hand.

>>3930929
Thanks anon. Shame there seems to be so many ways taught on doing gesture but i guess I gotta experiment and see what works.

>>3930650
Protect the drawing with a sheet of paper where you'd place your hand.

>>3930911
holy shit thanks anon you are the best

All I do at work is draw on post it notes.

>Trying to draw heads with Loomis method
>Cant draw circles let alone get the proportions right

>>3930967
haha stupid cade

>>3930961

Dude, try drawing simple geometrical figures accurately before going for complex stuff.

>>3930961
It looks cool to me, I wish I could do cars like that from imagination.

>>3930971
damn let him do what he wants

>>3929958
So what should I improve? Please stop implying criticism.

>>3930836
>/ic/, how far am I along the /beg/ road?
Technically the same position as everyone, remember "the ride never ends."

>>3931028
try improving your IQ OH WAIT you can't, you were born that way!

>>3931040
IQ is just a meme invented by people that had a fetish for eugenics.

>>3931072
It also happens to strongly correlate to success in life, but sure, whatever makes you feel better.

Aren't we supposed to be helping each other here on this board?

>>3931111
no, give me your lunch money

What are some things I should be doing right now to save time later? For reference I'm working through Vilppu's drawing manual right now, but it doesn't necessarily have to be related to that.

>>3931122
Giving up

I was recently gifted an ipad for my birthday and was wondering about the apple pencil and what program it is best to use. I've been looking at CSP and Procreate and wondering if anyone had any experience using both and which is best for a /beg/ looking to draw pokemon and other video game related things. Procreate is one time 10 bucks and CSP is 5 bucks per month subscription neither is an issue really but wondering if procreate is any good.

>>3931040
Like, no seriously, tell me what is wrong with my drawing.
Static is way too vague anon.

cats r hard :-(

>>3929958
Don't be rude to construct anon, I think it was this same board who told him to do it that way

>>3931288
He probably means that you use too many steps and should be trying to imagine them by this point or at least construct a little less. I also want to see how someone else critiques your drawing, I can't I'm a beg

>>3929536
Too many lines, try getting down the basic movement of the body in a few strokes instead, once you've worked out the fluidity of the pose you can define it more. To force yourself a bit more do it straight in pen, that way you won't rely on erasing to fix your problems. Also draw the same pose multiple times and try to simplify it as much as possible to train away the stiffness. And don't be worried about failing, trial and error is a natural part of learning.

>>3929019
I just made a grown up version of charlene from victor and valentino

maybe I'm retarded but hear me out
on drawing tablets with no screens, how do you know where the pen is going to land? with a mouse you have the cursor to guide you, but surely you'd be drawing blind and hoping you drop it on the right spot?

>>3931320
you just get use to it so KEEP DRAWING NOW

>>3931320
You hold the pen slightly above the tablet, then look at the cursor on the screen you retard.

>>3931320
Im assuming you dont have one? It maps to the screen pretty well and the cursor moves when you hover.

>>3930971
post your work

What am I even doing

>>3930222
where is this from?

>>3931382
You’re practicing an anatomy pose, you’re just not taking gravity and balance into account.

>>3930153
>reference sheet in perspective

absolute retard

>>3929355

study still life

Is Fun with a pencil the optimal starting point or not? Help.

>>3931582
It's fine. Stop worrying so much. Too many of you work yourselves into knots of anxiety over things that don't matter, in the long run.

how would I add detail to a pixel mountain range like this? Everything I've tried looks terrible due to the low resolution.

>>3930167
But she is cute.

>>3931585
example at some definitions attempts

maybe it's just because this one mountain is too much of a spire to make the fingers look like something realistic

yo dudes whats da best tutorial for learnin ta draw for us niggas i aint got a very high IQ if ya kno what i mean dawg so all dese books n stuffs are jas tooo hard 4 me yo help me out bruthas

>>3931585
Objects that far away don't need a high level of detail. Broad strokes. Just indicate lighting, and areas of vegetation, snow, rocks, or whatever they're composed of.

>>3931584
That's true, planning though, it's a fixation. Thanks.

>>3930836
You're close to leaving /beg/ desu

I liked Keys to Drawing because you're actually told what exercises to do in each section. For Hampton's Figure Drawing, should I just be copying every image he draws even if I'm not told to do so outright?

>>3931655
went ahead and tried some of the stuff in the spine section

I'm so confident today, I speed-drew each of these in 7 minutes give or take but it was under 10 while a year ago it'd take me hours of planning. But I won't hide behind the
>It's a quick doodle
Thing because I know damn well that it'd be roughly the same even if I dedicated more time to it.

>>3931725
But then I spent a whole hour doing this. Now it looks like crap and I don't know why.

goddamn faces from almost strait-on views are hard as fuck to draw. i cant be the only one with this problem right?

>>3931732
No, you're not. Direct frontal portraits are harder because the symmetry in the proportions is harder to recreate

>>3931725
>digimon
based anon
but you answered your own question - you were confident. you took said confidence and applied it but do not have the skill to back it up. It happens, I've had it. Do one thing think I'm hot shit, try something from imagination and it's dog shit.
Don't stress bro just keep on keepin on.
It looks bad because anatomy isn't right and you've tried dynamic poses you can't quite get and haven't really constructed for (that'll be the confidence) - but the best part is that you tried, and you're consistently and repetitively leaving a comfort zone. These aren't static boring poses, you created a scene.
Good job anonkun.

MS Paint. Literally my first time actually trying to make something nice. His name is Caesar and he'll fuck you up. How did I do? What can I improve? How the fuck do I draw arms?

>>3931749
do you think this is cool or something? do you think you're a special little snowflake? do you think anyone gives a shit about your pathetic existence? if not why are you seeking attention with your shitty tripcode? kill yourself, dumb cunt. also your "drawing" is shit, so double kill yourself.

>>3931758
yikes. have sex. didn't even remember i had my trip on but i'll keep it on just for you :)

>>3931749
Not bad. I’m not an artist and this is my first time here. In fact it’s good.

>>3931763
>have sex
not before marriage guys.

>>3931771
Go back to your mountaintop monastery Nosebro/Nosebropretender

>>3931294
Fewer steps sound difficult. Judging from past experiences my drawings come out deformed and fall apart if I don’t construct enough to establish the perspective and form. Does hurt the gesture that much? I guess it involves that mental construction thing. It‘s been a while since I tried that though so maybe it’ll come out less bad if I managed to internalize some of the construction.

My first lino print ever. Suggestions on improvements?

>>3931776
I know you feel bad about what you've done. And honestly it's understandable. You are a slut, and a dumb one at that. But everyone makes mistakes, and I'm here to fix yours anon.

I've studied virginity for 2 decades now peering into its eyes and gleaming into its soul. And as I concentrated on its idiosyncrasies it revealed its secret. Like Mikalangloos daveed, it is truly a piece of work which only the gods can hope to match.

Now anon, listen to me and understand that you must obey my instructions to the tee. Your virginity can be restored. IT IS NOT TOO LATE. I know, it seems ridiculous. It was ridiculous to me too when I first thought the idea and even moreso when I proved it. Here are my instructions:

At midnight tonight, use a amazon same-day-delivery rosary and stare into the moon. Look into its crevasses and let its light reflect upon you. You must chant an hymn to god and NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO DO NOT TOUCH YOUR PENIS. This is a crucial step, touching your penis will render you blind and infertile. Far too many have strayed from the instructions and felt the crushing demise of circumstance. Do this every day for 4 years without relent and you shall be rewarded.

This is personally how I restored my foreskin and my sister her hymens. If you are a true man of god, you can do this twice over gaining an extra foreskin or hymen depending on preference.

Now anons, don't forget: NO HYMEN NO DIAMOND. Women MUST have their hymen intact before you court them. Have them verified at the vagina inspection center of your local kibutz.

please tell me whats wrong before I start painting

>>3931900
nose and mouth are a little too far down the face, and the face is off with the forehead/ misaligned. that's just at a glance

>>3931874
ABSOLUTELY TANTALIZING
IMPROVEMENT IS OUT OF THE QUESTION
TAKE MY 10 CENTS

>>3931869
Just came back from trying. It´s total garbage. everything starts falling apart midway through when I need to add the limbs to the torso. Felt like regression. I´ll just try to ink my drawings so it's easier to critique and stuff. This was not good.

>>3931725
Nice Devimon anon. You pulled off the bend forward pretty nicely, from /beg/ to /beg/ at least. I think the sense of perspective starts to flattens at his lower arm though. Maybe you could have it come towards the viewer more, it just sorta looks like it's hanging straight down in a weird way.The drawing is still pretty good though.

>>3931874
Looks fine to me. Enjoy the ride, I always wanted to get into lino, never had the time or space. I know from talking to people who dove deep with it, it's one of those "simple to learn, hard as fuck to master" type things.

>>3931900
I would suggest not putting a vibrant background like that on, because it's going to throw off your values and hues. Try a neutral grey until you have the values and hues established.

The drawing looks fine, except for the nose, to begin coloring. You'll be able to see issues with line weight when you start building the form, if any.

>>3931914
Slow down. This is common, you're at a roadblock, now is the time to slow down, pay attention, and figure some important fundamentals out. Bodies are systems. They limbs and torso connect the same way, with different proportions and sizes.
Post an example so we can see what you're not seeing.

Lads, what Sketchbook dimension is more comfortable to draw sketches, practising, and doing initial things?

Practicing gesture, how am I doing?

>>3932017
I like 8x10 personally

>>3931749
Triangle + tube is a shortcut, as the shoulder muscles extend out into the arm. Think of it as a cape across the shoulders.

>>3930836
can you draw that from imagination

I didn't draw much yesterday.

I know it's a bad idea to copy photos because of distorted perspective but what about drawings and 3D models? Drawing real people is not really an option for me.

Why am I so bad at drawing irl such as buildings, buses, etc? My figure drawing is upper beg level but when I try to draw a scene it looks like a 1st grader drew it. Its not the rendering because theyre basic quick pen sketches, its the actual foundation. What can I look at to improve?

>>3932100
Some practice is better than none, just attend a figure drawing class when you can.

>>3932102
Because organic shapes are much more forgiving. When you draw a car it has to be smooth and symmetrical and im guessing you have perspective issues too. When your brain sees a building it picks up on the right angles and parallel lines in a fraction of a second. If you draw those wrong its unbelievably obvious. If you draw one eye a little smaller than the other or the nose is a little crooked or the arms are a little too long, no alarm bells go off in your head because those could actually be real. It may not look exactly like the person but it still looks like a person. Have you ever seen an asymmetrical car though? Not unless it's been in an accident.

>>3932106
Yeah but there's still my main question. Is copying drawings and 3D models better than copying photos?

>>3931749
I like the design, but your art skills need improvement obviously. Start off by not having weird cut offs like at the arm. That'll encourage bad habits like hiding hands and it makes the image less interesting. Try sketching it out first real lightly, or just use layers (does ms paint have layers?) to make sure you have enough room

>>3932129
To explain further, you don't need to do full bodies all the time (but make sure you do practice full bodies, or else you'll end up just drawing face shots all the time), but there are certain parts of the body where it's awkward to end an image. Mostly the joints, but other parts too like ending at the hips or something.

>>3931758
Jesus dude. Relax

>>3931749
Oh and one more thing. I see you're trying to go for a sorta gas mask thing, and as a guy that has actually used gas masks before, I think you should redesign the helmet a bit. Your helmet you made implies you have the air supply provided by that pipe looking thing, but also have a filter on the front for some reason implying he has two different methods of air coming in, which doesn't make much sense

>>3932144
Here is a better example of different types of masks

More or less finished the first chapter of Keys to Drawing, so thinking of getting a sketchbook and follow what that chapter taught to fill it up.

>>3931913

I'll take it, better than nothing, thanks!

>>3931978

You are completely right. It took me about 5 months to actually print it properly. Thanks for the feedback

Is warming up essential? If so, how do I warm up before drawing?

| just started a trial with the New Masters Academy. What's the best
course that could help me with drawing
characters from imagination?

>>3932184
Excercise holding litlle things, maybe jerking off would help ;)

>>3932184
No dude you're not a fucking gymnast. You cab practice something if you have trouble with it and you need a refresher.

What is one aspect i really should focus on to improve?

>>3932210
Before you can draw any figures of worth from imagination you have to get really good at drawing them from observation, assuming you want your drawings to be atleast somewhat realistic. That's the simple fact of it, there's no shortcuts to drawing well from imagination without doing that so don't believe the meme.

Watch Vilppu's Figure Drawing series.

>>3932100
>>3932128
Anyone?

>>3932255
copying is rarely useful unless you are actively studying the underlying forms and committing their operations to memory. this is the entire purpose behind studying anything, to figure out how it works so you may replicate it and twist it to your will. there is nothing wrong with any avenue of study, just some will work better or worse for a given person, why not try for yourself and see which one feels more beneficial. I try to work primarily from imagination, and after i try my bestest, i see the abomination and look for its most glaring flaws. then i go to study these flaws so they don't get me as much next time. rinse and repeat.

>>3932184
Despite the other replies, yeah you can warm up. By sketching stuff you know your way around. It'll help you loosen up

>>3932237
I'm shit so my words mean nothing but this is p cool I like it

>>3931914
Yeah actually the first anon was kinda harsh but your drawings are fine enough, they look 3d. It's just that looking at the construction isn't very appealing, you could try erasing the construction lines and try adding a face and clothes to it for better critique. The pose was already good.

Fun with a pencil and I suffer from sameface, I can't make the blooks look good because I can't really imagine the shapes or make them look different
What should I do? Move on to another book?

>>3932348
So forgot, please help and thanks in advance I guess

>>3931986
First attempt. I think I placed pelvis and ribcage too far apart because not only did I misplace the arm but I also can’t make it reach down the femur without making it look extremely long. The head is also too far off from the torso. I didn’t intend the neck to be bend like that.

>>3932309
Thanks, keep on trucking

>>3932359
Second attempt.
I screwed up the gesture on the legs and also made them too short. Didn’t even finish it. I also had a lot of trouble connecting them to the pelvis at this angle.

>>3932363
Oh and I did a redraw of this one with my usual messy construction.

>>3932371
Shit. Resized version.

>>3932371
That's pretty cool. Could you recommend anywhere to learn the full body in perspective like that?

>>3932371
Who is this girl and where can I find her?

>>3932377
Not really, sorry. I stitched my method of construction together from a bunch of different resources on different parts of the Body. Mostly Proko videos and tutorial images from other artists I downloaded, and some of my own adjustments.

>>3932144
>>3932145
That was supposed to be a voice emitter kinda thing but I can understand where you could see that. I have gas masks too lol
>>3932091
>>3932129
>>3932133
Thanks a ton guys. I'll work on the arms

grinding my /beg/ skills

Trying some basic volume practices and I'm just not getting it. The top volume is obviously meant to represent the ribcage, and the bottom is the pelvic mass. The whole point of the exercise is to get how to tilt, twist and foreshorten the masses.

Any corrections on these would be greatly appreciated.

>>3932388
Listen anon, you have to draw two beans stacked on top of each other, not just their contours. Two beans in a bag.

>>3932421
God damn it meant to reply to >>3932408.

>>3932387
She’s mine. If you want to see more of her I guess you’ll have to stick with my trash.

>>3932422
I'm struggling to break out of the contour mindset, it's also hurt my gesture drawings. Any recommendations for how to stop myself from jumping right to contours?

>>3932407
Tips please, I have issues with creating faces, deviating etc (inb4 autism)

>>3932439
I start with the ball and then places some of the shapes similar to what's in the Fun with Pencil

>>3932444
That I know, it's that you make everyone look so different and the features make sense. How do you do it? They look human and ok.

>>3932421
>>3932422
>>3932432
I'm literally thinking of buying a sock and two tennis balls. Would this help?

It feels like there's something fundamentally wrong here. Ignoring the wings, what do I need to work on the most?

>>3932253
Alright thanks I'll start doing that

>>3932432
Sorry Anon I don’t quite now. The best thing I can come up with is drawing variations of basic spheres, cylinders and cubes from different angles. Wrapping lines that around them that follow their curvature helps a lot. It can also help drawing them transparent, though that might confuse you more, I don’t know.

>>3932448
If you’re willing to go that far sure. It can help you understand the squash and stretch.

Ok I wanna get back to drawing after a long time of doing other shit.

how can I improve this? I know my 3/4 view suck so any tips on that?

I've alway enjoyed comics, drawing that anime shit isnt for me though.

Are there any books or guides on how to draw in the modern or preferably old style of western comics?

>>3932452
First thing that comes to my mind is fewer, simpler shapes. I think the overall shapes are being drowned out.

friend gave me his old tablet, this is the first time ive ever tried drawing in photoshop, where should i start?

>>3932586
with the greeks

>>3932586
i know its messy, just trying to get a feel for digital

This is my first drawing ever, I bought a wacom cintiq 16 about a week and a half ago so pls dont bully. It looks slightly uncanny to me still so I have a lot more to do to it. I used a reference picture but she looks nothing like this (skin tone). Any recommendations on how to make the eyes not pop out so much?

>>3932452
Gesture.

>>3932448
Try two hackey sacks in a balloon, figures arent as rigid as tennis balls and the exercise is meant to represent a flour sack.

>>3932533
Sorry if I'm a dumbass, but I'm not sure what you mean by this. Like less of the details like the zipper and wrist joints in the puppet? Or just erase the underlines before posting it?

what should i study if i want to make animated cartoon shorts? i've done loomis for a month or so already and still suck. i'm thinking gesture and perspective are more important than anatomy.

>>3932446
I just mutliple layers to work.
First layer is a background but I don't draw on it, then I add a layer where I start drawing my first 'ball' with the brush with an opacity then on another layer I structure shapes and then on the last layer (4th) I try to add the most details I can.

>>3932662
Sorry I (we) don't help stupid faggots

>>3932427
I figured it out. Your bodies are really good anon, the poses feel real. It's just your face placement and proportions that's failing you. I can't redraw it right now but the face should be smaller and the hairline a bit lower. I'll get back to you in about 8 hours but yeah the head size is right, it's just that you're pasting giant eyes on it thus going even higher for the hair and it makes her head look gigant

Been asked before i'm sure. How is Draw a Box as a resource for a /beg/ to begin learning Fundies?

>>3932662
Anatomy is something you study once your skill has already advanced as an artist, what you must not ignore as a beginner are the bodies basic proportions. Don't concern yourself with the muscles and stuff yet, get the length of the torso, limbs etc. in relation to the head right first.

>>3932586
Ctrl+Paint, maybe?

https://www.ctrlpaint.com

>>3932507
I'm not too familiar with comics but there's a comics artist folder (Burne Hogarth) under 'other books' here: https://mega.nz/#F!sSYAxKqb!f2gWy-eQZJNvRfiUTu1ASA

Not sure if they are beg friendly so you might want to start with classics from the sticky.

>>3932712
I get that but I'm talking specifically animation in a cartoon style where anatomy and shading barely matter at all. I basically just want to do beavis and butthead style animation. I just want it to be slightly higher quality than something like this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow0xZG9XZ5w

I'm just starting, I don't know what to draw. Drawing only stuff from loomis seems wrong, like I should be doing other stuff too. But drawing the stuff I want to in my head seems way too ambitious.

Its been a long while since I did gesture but decided to do a Croquis Cafe vid on a 9 by 12 sketchpad with a HB charcoal pencil. These are examples of 1, 2 and 5 minutes respectively.

Am I going the right way about this? I want to know what I can work on.

How did he get to these angles?

>>3932823
>cube
>all corners at 90deg with equal edge length
>1/2 of 90
>etc.

>>3932838
So he just divided it. But if I want a specific angle how would I measure it? Can I use a protractor if the object is in perspective?

>>3932823
>>3932845
What's your IQ? 80?

>>3932845
if you do not follow the reason why he divided it, you should go review some basic geometry, particularly isosceles right angle triangles and relations between midpoints, angles and how that can be applied to cubic structure

>>3932854
why rebuke when you sound capable of correction?

>>3930075
if you're doing measured linear perspective work traditionally you should consider either getting a drafting table or studying in-picture perspective techniques (i.e diminishment guides). but a drawing like this would typically be something you do on another sheet of paper as a study and then translate it onto your actual piece. Frankly unless the work calls for extremely accurate mechanical perspective you'd usually just eyeball something like this. That is, once you have an eye for it.

how's everybody's grindan going?

>>3930570
Looks to me like you just added a random lump of meat on her right hip to balance out the overall silhouette of the figure. It doesn't seem to be symmetrical to the forms you used for her left hip at all. Nice gesture though, I like where it's going. I'd personally remove the extra lump to push out the silhouette of the pose even stronger but it should be bretty good to be processed now.

Hi. First post in forever and I’m trying to get back into it. It’s not finished but I’m curious as to whether or not this will provoke any thoughts. I am aware of the asymmetry of the face and the lack of shading, I will correct this before I finish it with charcoal

>>3932607
Looks good. I wish I had a tablet.

>>3929671
Brilliant work here

>>3929771
This is really awesome. The hashed shadows give this a lot of character. The mammoth has wonky perspective. So I guess in your next piece try and lay out what’s nearest and farthest away first. Also slightly relax the people’s posture, they look too on edge

>inb4 low IQ
>inb4 aphantasia
I don't know so don't say it, I'm afraid I don't want to hear it.
This is what happened when I tried having "fun with a pencil" I failed, I can't create original faces I'm more than lost, fuck life.

>>3932798

Stick with 5 minutes and continue doing a few hundreds of those. Keep it loose, don't focus on details. Pay attention to the weight distribution of the subject. otherwise your gesture will look like it's floating in space.

>>3932586

start from the very beginning.

check the sticky.

>>3933039
Yeah I know so shit it doesn't warrant a response, one day I'll get revenge on some of you, no matter what I'll get revenge

>>3933063
I can do more 5 minute poses but with that much time I might end up drawing more detailed stuff.

>>3929544
I know this is not serious but you still made me smile, anon :)

I've been thinking about doing some sort of summary of what I've learned so far (hopefully other anons would find it helpful) to get some critique on my understanding of gesture drawing and as a way of keeping track of my progress, so maybe I'll do that one day.


I forgot to start with the simplest gesture for 1 min poses but here's today's stuff anyway.

I decided to take even more freedom on this session and for this reason some gestures look a bit bad, I'll try to pay more attention next time. Would like to get some feedback on whether I'm taking it too far or if it still looks right. I'm also worried about losing myself in stylization (not sure if that's the right word), I like this 'style' better since it feels more fluid, and I try to make sure each curve has meaning/purpose but sometimes think I might just be making some poor gesture look 'prettier'.

Did last pose twice because I wasn't sure I got it right the first time.

I'll keep exploring and fixing things to see how I feel most comfortable about the results. Comments and critiques are welcomed.

ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6Y7_v-ZN8w

Is the hand acceptable? Tried many times and settled for that

>>3932427
Sorry anon, I had a really shitty day. I can't help you right now

>>3932698
It's the faces again I see.
I'l be waiting, thanks anon.

If I successfully make something dynamic/capture movement, will I be able to tell or no? It's my main goal right now to make things look more lively, but I'm afraid even when I will get it right that I won't be able to recognize because I was the one that actually drew it, if that makes sense

>>3933380
i hope you would be able to tell. drawing is arranging visual elements to produce an illusion of rhythms, if it doesn't work on you why would it work on others? for your fear; if you are unaware, then continue to be unaware, it is only when we become conscious of a problem may we look to correct it.

>>3933039
>>3933125
try actually reading the book and following the fucking instructions you aphantasic low-IQ retard

I've been drawing from imagination 'for fun' after taking a break from drawabox, since drawing 250 boxes isn't my idea of fun and I'm not learning shit from it
only thing here that isn't from imagination is the sword guy

if I want to learn basic construction, gesture and foreshortening what should I do, besides draw from reference? FWAP?
my art goals aren't anything lofty, all I'm looking to do is cartoon style stuff with a lot of color and creativity ala Moebius or Bagboss
also thinking of getting a tablet so I can deconstruct references and use them to make finished works as opposed to just sketches

Any suggestions for videos or courses or books to learn to paint for someone who's never painted before?

>>3931246
Clip studio is the most fully featured, but I really hate the idea of an ongoing subscription for software, especially when its one-time buy on pc.
Procreate is the best, and most popular.
You could also use medibang if you prefer a more pc like interface.

>>3933784

>>3933789

(angry crying wojak face.png)

how the FUCK do you color a sketch where lines aren't done with 100% opacity?
this is how it looks like since the lines aren't opaque (look at the mouth or eyes).
wtf am I missing?

Will drawing what i see naturally improve my accuracy? Want that skill to be better before I tackle figure drawing.

Trying to stop drawing with my wrist and use my arm more but its really hard getting used to it. Any advice on getting more accustomed to drawing with the arm?

New thread soon?

>>3933961
Try drawing with your elbow resting on the table, essentially get your whole fore arm on the page, that'll allow to pivot and use it comfortably

>>3933878
Yes, drawing skills translate

>>3929019
It would be very appreciated if somebody could redline this construction, I want to deliver this request tonight or tomorrow.

>>3933162
I like it.

>>3932375
Have you dont any actual perspective practice construction anon? you need perspective to construct

>>3933746
really like the style and world you're depicting, please practice as id like to see more fleshed out versions of your imagination

>>3934082
Can you specify the mistakes in perspective?

A NEW THREAD APPEARS!

>>3934147

Made OP image from>>3931382

>>3934143
appreciate it friend, means a lot

I'd to ask who I can look towards as a guide for stylized art. Also any generals as to what I can fix about my work. Hands, line work, etc. Thank you very much.

do i have to hold pigment liners at a 90 to the page?