/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3896985
you can cheat at exams, but that word doesnt exist in the art vocabulary. the faster you learn that, the faster you git gud

>>3896985
WHAT THE FUCK!!! that's it!! fuck this shit, I'm tracing

God, I hate that faggot.

>>3896995
Ive been telling anons to trace for a few months now and theres always a smartass who says dont, because "Its not the correct answer to the question."

>>3896985
I never realized this and I still made it.
Maybe instead of coming up with excuses you should actually realize that hard work really exist and you are just too lazy to pull it off.

>>3897003
tracing is pretty solid, you actually improve faster, as an exercise a lot of writer copy entire novels.
then just get good at hiding your sources little by little, some variations here and there maybe fuse to refs together, all of a sudden you'll be able to make work that is original and yours.

I know the autists in this boards don't like this, but most are (especially from imagination) is 80% reference. You might have a couple of outliers here and there but if you were one of those guys you probably wouldn't be here.

So yeah trace the fuck out of shit!

>>3897007

>>3897007
Yeah sure bro, i make 2 mil per day too haha

>>3896985
In animation, no one care how you get your shit done as long as you can make the deadline.

>>3896985
ngl

I am a bit upset by this.

>>3896985
I'm not really understanding this thread and trailer. So they trace the whole movie? I thought that's how you animated anyways? Sorry I'm art pleb.

>>3897013
>So yeah trace the fuck out of shit!

But I dont want to become Ross Draws

>>3897022
Why do you need to make as much as Iliya?
Personally I make 5k+ per month with my smut art and I never copied a single artwork in my entire life.
What's your problem for not making it?

>>3897373
>What’s your problem for not making it?
Dignity

>>3897409
>Dignity
There's not much dignity in poverty

>>3897413
More dignified than being poor and Asian. What’s their excuse.

>>3897373
>smut art
You still took the easy road just like Ilya

>>3897420
Stop acting like someone taking the "easy road" is a bad thing. As long as it's something they want to do, there is not any problem if they succeed in it. Even if it's only something they want to do because they know it'll make them money. It seems like a lot of artist have a notion that money is dirty or that using art as a tool to make money is a bad thing.

>>3897013
How would you trace? I’ve been interested in using it as a tool to improve but I’m not really sure how.

I always knew. That's what pop music is made of after all.

I wanna learn how to draw though, not how to get money exactly.

>>3896985

look at that smugness, she's laughing at all of /ic/ and you're all S E E T H I N G

>>3897416
>>3897420
>Muh morals
Would rather not be a starving artist.

>>3896985
Yep I'm literally seething to be honest.
Being famous, drawing cute waifus and having my own anime is all I could dream for.
At least he fucked up his manga badly


So what is he involved in? Just character designer or is he the director and is getting his own story adapted in his style?

>>3897409
lmao

>>3896985
Honestly good for him, I wish MORE of /ic/ would "cheat" half the problem is most of you are trying to hard to be the next Rembrandt or something and you suck, just find your favorite artist rather it be loomis himself or Toriyama or whatever and just copy their shit (literally worked for Toyotaro the new artist for DB) and it is working for Ilya. Swallow your pride and copy.

Hell I honestly would rather see discount (your favorite artist here) than your own personal shit any day of the week.

>"No rules just tools"

>>3897748
This is some next level shitposting.

>>3897300
tl:dr: normalfags don't care if you trace or not if you're famous

>>3897772
>he thinks this is tracing

I don’t trace because I don’t like the hassle, and there’s nothing to trace for the stuff I want to draw. I don’t have any moral issues with it

>>3897748
>Hell I honestly would rather see discount (your favorite artist here) than your own personal shit any day of the week.

THIS
Its so true it hurts

>>3897773
It its lazy though.

Why couldn't he do different poses like all the other fanartists?

>>3897773
Yeah bro, totally didn't trace, just modify it a little haha

>>3896985
how much did he even do on this project? outside of the two mcs lots of the character design doesn't even look like iyla's style, just standard production house stuff. i don't think his style translates that well to animation desu

Hell, I know I've thought of it, I'm thinking about doing it right now, but art is something else, to copy would make you inferior, others would know, I would know.
Change must be authentic.
Besides, I wish to be like Yuasa, cheating won't get me there.

Doesn't matter what you've realized about making it, you homos creating these threads on /ic/ are ngmi anyway

>>3897748
I would tweak that a bit and say it’s good to copy from a wide variety of sources, even if it’s all just weeb shit. Draw your hands like one artist, do your proportions like another, and draw your faces like a 3rd. It’s stealing from a variety of sources that gives your work a more unique look and gives you a starting point to develop your own style. And if tracing helps you get to that point, trace away.

>>3897013
I can agree with that. It's weird that people expect you to be able to draw from imagination when you can't even accurately replicate someone else's work.

Remember kids, fake it till you make it, trace the fuck outta shit to draw you waifus

>>3896985
So no one is gonna answer >>3897475
?
I'm interested aswell, which part is he involved in

>>3896985
Can I really do something like this by cheating and copying? Even with a reference of this pose, I doubt I'd be able to render it to look that nice. But maybe I should just copy this drawing?

>>3897475
>>3897818
He is the character designer for the movie
>>3897823
It's all about practices and nothing faster than to learn by mimic.
Childrens learn the same way.

>>3897823
kino

>>3897420
Work smart, not hard, retard

Since Wally Wood told me to. I've really ramped up my tracing, copying and pasting, and use of 3D models in the past couple of years, and my art has never been better. Right now I'm directly drawing over an existing turn-around of a character so I don't have to worry about keeping proportions correct. It's so liberating.

I'm also learning gouache and to practice I'm just tracing Google street view and painting over it. I should have started this years ago.

I'm.......I don't know what to say. There is hidden anger and jealously deep within me.

>>3897940
I'm not angry, but I would be lying if I said I wasn't jealous of people that get to the top through pure luck.

>>3897953
>luck
This is 10% luck 20% skill

>>3897967
15% concentrated power of mass appeal art
5% pleasure, 50% copying
And 100% reason to forget this hack

>>3897953
>Kuvshinov
>pure luck
You're an idiot if you really think that. Whether it was pragmatically planned and executed or he was just being himself, basically everything he did was really efficient at getting him to where he is now.

>>3897953

>Luck

You are literally BLINDED by jealousy.

You DO know that Ilya Kuvshinov is actually working in that, right? As Character and Visual Designer

>>3897972
oh you

>>3897772
So this guy in the picture is the animator if the trailer? Or some tracer is the animator of the trailer? And he made it by tracing and producing stuff, not being creative in his own?

>>3896985
is that a digital brush in the op?

I honestly wished I cared. Making it barely matters when I realize bad shit can still happen to me, so just having a simple life than fame is what I rather have. As long as the dude's happy, that's good.

>>3897461
>she

>>3897992
>>3898026
>>3898035
>shillfagsquad seething

not that anon, but he's completely right though. Making it in itself has a huge percentage of luck to it, especially for a guy who just does 30min head paintovers, but also the fact that he squivelled his way out of situations where his career could easily have ended due to tracing and photopaintover scandals. You should consider that luck in it's own way

but people getting jealous of this animation stuff, what's the big deal? It's not like he can do any of it except providing a one-time concept sheet of some random same face characters to a animation company. People seem to misunderstand what this is about, it's all just a matter of popularity, some normie fag at netflix thought he can make some buck by introducing a well known "artist" as character designer, and that's it. His westerboo "manga" has already proven his skill and creativity for story telling

Ask yourself why do you draw.

Do you draw because you want people to look up to you and love your cute waifu anime drawings.
Do you draw because you want to be famous and cool and make lots of money from it.
Do you draw because you just enjoy it.
Do you draw because you want to express yourself.

I see people talking about "making it" over and over on this board. But making it can't be the same for everyone.

I personally have no interest in making a living out of my drawing if I can't really draw what I'd like to draw and how I want to draw it. For me, that wouldn't be making it.
I draw because I have things I want to say through my art, and to say them in unniversal ways that people can feel and relate, I need to become good and I will probably pursue that for the entirety of my lifetime.

That's my "making it". And I know I will not get there by cheating because then I wouldn't really be expressing "myself" in the purest sense of the word. I really don't care if I have to live a modest life working a menial job if I have freedom to pursue art in the way I want to.

And I'm sure I'm not completely, entirely alone in that mindset. Sure maybe a majority of people here just want a fat patreon and don't care about what they draw, how and why, as long as they get recognition and money. But it can't be everyone.

And for the record, I find the character designs in that trailer absolutely borring and souless.

>>3897748
It would be fine if you actually work to become like Rembrandt, but most people have the ideal while not working diligently at it, like being against copying on principle but barely drawing anything from imagination. It's just counter-intuitive, if you're going to half ass it anyway just choose a road more appropriate for you

>>3897748
>Hell I honestly would rather see discount (your favorite artist here) than your own personal shit any day of the week.
still underrated

>>3897772
wrong, its begs only who care if you trace

>>3897780
>It its lazy though.
I assure you he worked more on those than you this entire week

>>3898315
but your wrong. I do want to reach I point where I can put everything goes in my mind on paper. Thats why I got into drawing in the first place. Getting money is just necessary for living. And tracing its the fastest why to get there.

>>3898315
Only good post in this thread

>>3898335
You're a fucking idiot.

>>3898335
Ilya is hardly someone who can put what he sees in his mind on paper. Have you read his manga?

>>3899818
lol where can you find his manga, and what's the dirty on that, a lot of people in this thread are bashing it

>>3899852
Step aside, kiddo

>>3898315
yes brother.

I wonder where it will go from here. A movie is more than just it's character designs but this whole "look at our famous genius artist with 10 gorillion followers!" stuff does not seem to pay out right now as far as public reception and hype around it goes.

Trailers don't get much traction, I have literally never seen anyone discussing it outside of here on both western and japanese message boards etc. But maybe it will be more popular on the west?

Copying and drawing same shit may have helped him to get big enough to convince the studio to hire him but it is also not very fitting for animation as there is literally nothing interesting or special or appealing about those character designs besides that one fucking face.

Also I can't help but think that while he is a stealing scumfuck who has began stagnating years ago, at least he's actually working on something instead of screwing his patrons over with less and less content while jerking off whole day the way almost every single other successful patreon artist does.

>>3899852
Bashing Ilya is never not funny. Please post more, his comic is hilarious.

>>3898294

I think the word seething must be associated with brain damage.

>>3896985
I learned how to draw by copying Pokemon cards as best as I could when I was 5. Copying other artists' work to improve has always been one of the best way to learn.

The old masters knew this - it was part of their studies and training. Rubens copied the entire Sistine Chapel and from Da Vinci. Michelangelo the Ancient Greeks through making copies of antique sculpture. And so on. Copying master artworks is so effective because it is a chance to study from the best and become a little more like them by understanding what choices they made.

Tracing other artwork I wouldn't recommend unless you're a total beginner and don't know where to start.

So essentially, this idea that you shouldn't copy anything is a complete scrub mindset and is holding a lot of people back. Pianists in training become professional by learning to play progressively difficult pieces by classical composers who've already mastered the instrument, first slowly, then repeating them until faster they can play them effortlessly by memory. Basically, the fastest way to progress is not by making up your own pieces when you aren't even proficient in playing sheet music. The same can be applied to drawing and artwork.

Is it wrong to draw from imagination and explore your own ideas? Not at all unless you're not even good enough to draw from reference material. Put it on the backburner for the most part until you have very good fundamentals.

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>>3899891
Post one where he was giving a master class in 1 hour painting with some other japanese artist. The one where japanese guy drew a nice bust of a girl with some gesture and clothing action and showed off few cool photoshop techniques while Ilya did that same fucking 3/4 face he always does and managed to not be able to finish it in time with a giant grey unrendered blotch on her head instead of hat.

>>3899899
People don't hate him for copying elements from other artists. It is absolutely important to study works of other artists. People hate him for doing exact 1 to 1 copies of works/photos that did not belong to him without ever sourcing his references. There's also shit like him just outright lying and saying that his work was inspired by "japanese girl he saw in cafe" and then it turning out that it's a 1 to 1 copy of a photo of a chinese cosplayer he found in google. The man's basically a lying scumbag.

circa 2009

>>3899909
Looks like I used a joke thread to give general art advice. How embarassing!

Yeah, that shit is the antithesis of what any artist should be doing. They will be exposed eventually.

>>3899907
лoл

>>3899933
Even if they're exposed, as long as they have a nice style or are moderately popular they'll get away with it and will get them even more possitive attention. It happened to Ilya, it happened to Guwiez, it even happened to Numyumy. If you're a shitty artist nobody gives a fuck and will bash you to no end but if you at least have decent art people will just ignore your shitty attitude and make up excuses for you because "omg they're so talented and you're just jealous!" bullshit

>>3896985
I'm not above tracing, but my characters all have unique proportions and stylization, so tracing would be pointless. I reference quite frequently though and I see the merit of tracing as an exercise, even though I rather copy and deconstruct as practice.

In my opinion there is no real need for tracing, unless you want to master copying a specific style. It does help to see though l. If your referenced drawing still looks off, it's probably because you messed up some angles or distances or couldn't grasp the form behind it; In this instance tracing sounds like a good solution to get more insight into how the drawing is constructed.

Lastly, let's adress heavy referencing and tracing as a means to produce work faster. It's a common practice in illustration and as long as you have the fundamentals to back it off, nothing speaks against it. Traced drawing without proper draftsmanship will always look like traced drawings, so I don't recommend it as an alternative to studying. While your traced drawings may seem better than your non-traced ones, almost all tracing beginners fail at this for numerous reasons, including mismatched perspective or lacking form, bad lineweight, no understanding of color and light, etc.

If you want to trace, trace - you don't need permission for that. Just ask yourself why you trace and how it can actually improve your art in the long term.

“A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows public opinion.” Chinese Proverb

>>3899909
Oh no no no
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvsHUnlZM8I

>>3899884
Yup, no discussion here, maybe they rely too much on that faggot for marketing instead of real PR.

>>3899957
My god what a hack

Stupid ESL. Stop being so fixated on success and actually start enjoying art.

>>3899957
Holy fucking shit! Kek!!

>>3899957
It's just me or the shading on the scarf looks like garbage? kinda like, just random strokes here and there just for the sake of it

>>3900377
>ESL
The fuck is ESL?

>>3898332
tracing is easy though

I bet I can beat him at a non tracing art contest

>>3896985
In 2001, when I copied a Nidoking drawing enough times that I could do it from memory. Then again in 2014, to escape the Loomis mannequins from dragging me to hell.

>>3900634
Reminds me of warframe stuff I drew, I can draw them from memory now, or at least one of them.

Why are anons talking about ilya tracing? Never heard of that here.

>>3900681
ilya doesn't trace

he just secretly uses reference of a generic anime face he made in zbrush. Big difference.

>>3900699
What,

>>3900699
Dude has been drawing the same face under same angles for what? 8 years? That's the last thing he needs to trace.

And ever since he got caught he quit trying to do any "complex" pieces altogether and stuck to plagiarising Eguchi Hisashi without ever referencing him because you can't blame anyone for stealing other's work and sticking their shitty sameface on top of it if that face is literally all there is besides some random background color.

>>3900603
Extremely short leg.

>>3900730
he also lost the will to draw the lower half of the body

>>3900730
>Eguchi Hisashi
>decide to look him up
Well now... hmmm, I feel like I’ve seen this piece before.

>>3900776
Oddly reminiscent of someone else’s style... hmmm

>>3900777
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

>>3900778
>>3900777
>>3900776
It’s like if you took Illya and added SOUL.

>>3900776
>>3900777
>>3900778
>>3900779
Yeah it is so weird that it took you faggots so long to figure it out. I am almost certain that if you download few galleries of Eguchi's work and compare them tho what that faggot has been doing ever since the debacle you'll find few damning examples. Old habits don't die and this guy is so creatively bankrupt that he manages to steal while drawing nothing but a face on a flat background.

Kuvshinov has been ripping off mainly Soejima Shigenori, he even said that Soejima is one of his inspirations or something along these lines IIRC. You can especially see the influence in his older works. Now he does more fashion magazine/poster type of shit, which is not really unique to Eguchi Hisashi.

>>3900802
Most of the shit he ripped from Soejima was persona-themed to begin with. It would be pretty hard to hide even for a piece of shit like him. Same goes for that manga artist he stole his sameface from.

The Eguchi think is so blatant on the other hand. You can't possibly say that it's just generic magazine style.

What's worse is that I've seen literally 7+ clones of this guy.

Soulless that breeds more soulless.

>>3899957
waaaw

>>3899818
because ilya is doing it wrong. you trace to train, not post your traces as the work itself. nobody should see your traces

tracing is a very good way of learning to draw but fucks like him give it a bad name because they dont actually struggle to draw from imagination after they traced, but call that the final work

>>3901691
Bingo

>>3901691
it's a better lesson to copy than it is to trace. For anyone out there that wants to learn.

Because tracing involves no problem solving.

>>3901691
Nah copy > trace 99% of the time.
Trace doesn't require you to practice problems solving, you can do it while playing games.

>>3901737
>>3901749
1. tracing is faster. you might not learn from tracing a piece as much as copying it, but you can trace more in the time it takes to copy a few (so you get more millage) because

2. tracing removes some problems which you shouldnt have to bother yet, such as design choses. A lot of time in copying is spend trying to understand what you are copying, how it works. Sure you can start early and learn that stuff when you dont know how to draw it. But I ask you, which is faster, learn how to design after you know how to draw, or learn how to design while you are still learning to draw.

If you are a beginner your first focus should be being able to draw what you have in mind. Regardless of how shit your ideas are. Working on improving your ideas should come after you know how to draw, because its faster.

The one who learns like this wont have original ideas or come up with them easy, after he "learned how to draw", and the one who copies will know more and be a better designer or problem solver. But on the long run I believe the one who traces will catch up with the second, because it will be fast for him to learn how to design once he knows how to draw, while the second one will be a decent designer but still struggle with putting his ideas on paper. And besides, the one who traces can start at any time draw fanart if he needs, and it will be easier for him to get in the millage since the entry barrier for tracing is lower than copying. For him there will be no "what brush do you use", "how do I make likes like this" etc, he justs picks up a pencil, lightbox, and starts tracing what he wants. That will teach him how to put in the hours, teach him the habit of not procrastinating.

You might say i am looking for excuses so I trace instead of copy, but I feel I am gaining more from focusing on tracing at my stage, and those are explanations on why its so.

>>3899953
>Chinese Proverb
quite ironic considering the state of china

>>3901766
You do you i guess but back when i start learning to draw, tracing didn't help me shit beside maybe improve my line a little.

>>3899953
Funny how public appearances is everything there

>>3901766
This has to be a joke. The most fundamental skill any artist has is the ability to guide the lines their hand makes make by observation alone, and how to translate what they see onto a 2D surface. How well you can do that will directly determine how accurate your artwork is, and it you can always be better at it.

Tracing is okay if you're a 100% beginner and don't know how to use a pencil to draw. But it shouldn't take you that long to learn how to make lines with your pencil. The sooner you can start learning how to translate what the eye sees instead of following lines on the paper, the better.

You're making excuses as to why you're still tracing because drawing from observation is hard and tracing is easy. You're wasting your time still tracing things like a child when you could making some real progress practicing what you actually need to learn.

>tfw drawing from imagination, then tracing, then referencing, then from imagination again

>>3901766

You speak the truth and everyone will shit on you.

>>3901766
lol

>>3901796
its the same for
>stop symbol drawing, then learn to draw what you see, then unlearn to draw what you see, then learn how to symbol drawing

>>3897436
If you only pursue art for lucrative reasons, yes, there's something wrong with you. That means that a guy can commission you for the most disgusting fetish & you'll do it because it pays well.
No dignity indeed.

>>3897472
Same mindset as some prostitutes.

>>3901766
How are you going to learn lighting or rendering from tracing ?

>>3896985
oh my god it's literally her style

>>3902348

>her

Who?

>>3896985
Anything that enhances your visual experience allowes you to recall and draw better. Better than tracing, real life drawing is more vital to understand changes across volumes, shapes and colours real life circunstances. tracing mostly only teaches you to get that pretty final form, but hardly teaches you how and why it looks pretty and/or conveing

>>3899957
That's hilarious

>>3897472
Then you shouldn't have gone into art.

>>3902436
Truth. Tracing only teaches you how to follow lines with your pencil. There's literally no reason to do it unless you're 5 years old.

>>3902348
ilya is a dude

>>3902348
Let me guess Fate-fag?

I also didn't realize Ilya is a dude's name.

I want to draw the semi realism shit to make money off the weebs, but it still takes me extremely long to color pick over a photo and paint over every part. 12-14 too long to color pick and then blend it.

Some parts still appear like it's from a photograph too. Are there any quick ways to paint over photos and make it look like art from scratch? Any certain photoshop filters?

>>3900809
>Same goes for that manga artist he stole his sameface from
Name?

So if I really "git gud" in the honest way, even as a foreigner I could get a job in japan of all places?

>>3903112
So long as you know Japanese, the answer is yes. People here don’t speak very good English, if at all. But there’s tons of opportunities.

>>3903123
>here
Oh well, glad you're speaking from experience (if that sounded rude I didn't mean to)
Learning both to draw and japanese? Both from zero? Oh well, shaping up to be a hell of a journey, thanks.

>>3903085

The basic is to use smart blur(or guassian blur) to blur the photo first, then rebuild lost edges with (probably textured) brush stroke. If some details are lost in the process, so they be -- paintings don't have the same level of details as photos anyway. Good luck.

>>3902276
rendering you dont, but by learning the planes of surfaces you learn how to divide lights and shadows. for rendering you do studies, but if you are a beginner you shouldnt worry about rendering, and if you are not a beginner then you dont need drawing advices from a horse breeding mongolian conference

>>3901766
can you just post your work already

>>3903193
this is >>3898849 mine. it took me maybe 30 min. it might not look like much, but Ive been a beg for years doing gesture drawings, life drawing sketches and a few master studies and the single times I would made something looking half decent was when drawing from a ref (and I did not want to become another proko). I started tracing as a form of practice maybe 2 months ago and now I feel I can draw any character if I have a settei page of him and I put in enough time (a few hours). Before starting to trace, I felt it would take me days of copying a character to reach a point when I could draw that one character from memory, and even then I wouldnt be satisfied with the shapes.

I dont have much to show now, because in the last 2 months most of my time was spend tracing, and I have a full time job too. Ive traced the whole book of Deadwood design by Yoh Yoshinari so far and now I am on the overlord artbook, thinking of doing monogatari or lwa next. But now the few times I sit down to draw my ideas, I feel I can mediocrely do it, or know how to study to do it, which is a improvement for me. And once Ive done enough of tracing and I stop, all that time can be poured into drawing my own stuff.

If you are better than me and have your own way of learning, suit yourself. But if you are a beg (which are also the ones who seem the most opposing of this idea) then tracing could help you.

>>3903223
Congratulations, /ic/ has literally wasted your time by telling you tracing is a valid way to learn how to draw. Stop tracing.

You have the ability to continue to get better at drawing without training wheels but you choose not to. Why? Because actually drawing is hard and tracing is easy and you get a sense of satisfaction for making something that looks cool without having to be observant or to think about what you're doing.

Tracing more will only make you better at mindlessly tracing lines and there couldn't be a less useful way to practice.

>>3903237
pyw

>>3903242
Stop tracing.

>>3903250
as expected, a copyfag. now post your drawing from imagination like I did. I didnt post my traces so why do you post your copies?

>>3903253
Tracing is literally copying but without anything to learn from doing it. An exercise in futility. Cope harder son.

>>3903265
its ok mini proko, someday you will see the light too

>>3897772
>when stupid people don't understand the 'screenshot redraw' meme

If you famous enough then being a cheater won't hurt you in anyway whatsoever because your retarded fans will defend you to death like >>3903277
If you try to cheat when being a nobody then everyone will shit on you.
It's called the celeb effect

>>3903284
pyw

>>3903286

>>3903289
Kek

>>3903291
pyw

>>3903295

>>3896985
>fastest way to making it is too cheat and copy

I don't place Ilya highly on my list of personal favorite artists, and I don't think he's a capable draftsman or technical designer. But artists do not need to be everything to everyone. Art is too large a topic for that, and art jobs are too diverse in their requirements.

Ilya is successful because of his overall aesthetics. Despite his tracing/copying, he does have a visual style. He did discover, or at least popularized, some neat CG gimmicks. Some may scoff at the amount of recognition he has received, but to quote William Munny, "deserve's got nothing to do with it."

That said, that doesn't mean you'll find success as an artist tracing or copying. He's successful because of his own unique collection of cliches and design choices. You'll have to find one for yourself too, and legit drawing skills may be a part of that. Getting good is in some ways easier than trying to be a pioneer.

>>3903112
> Italian guy drawing stuff for Square Enix
> French guy who worked on Pop Team Epic
> Ashley Wood's role in Metal Gear
Never say never.

>>3903317
>ignoring the thousands who couldn't get in

>>3903325
That’s because they weren’t good enough. The world has no room for mediocrity. Either strive to be the best, or find something else to do. If you’re looking for an easy path to success, then you’ve already lost.

>>3903317
> Bahijd

>>3903277
He never labeled those as such. Did not even care to call those studies until he got caught too. That's why people hate him, so much. He was genuinely that much of a cunt as to copy first google search results and proceed to call them his own work. Sometimes he would even make up shitty stories about what has inspired him to create those obviously copied works.

>>3899863
The most hilarious part about his "manga" is that this faggot has worked in the comic book industry with very talented people and yet this is all that he got out of that. He colored dozens of pages and at no fucking point did he bother to pay attention to the most basic aspects of composition.

I am genuinely curious of what exactly he would even do in an anime studio because he's mediocre at best at everything besides that one fucking face.
I used to hang out with some of his russian friends and all they could tell were the stories of him constantly bitching about his japanese co-workers, calling them old midlife crisis fucks and such. He would also do weird shit like calling his friends asking them if anyone new is around and proceed to ask them to tell "Hi from Kuvshinov himself" in attempts to bait a reaction from those new people. He would also draw for and give interviews to magazines on a condition that they would call him a genius in text, the same reason he keeps reposting those old ass student works of his.
He is a very sad person who did what he does for the sole reason of subsisting off of his own cool aid.

>>3903360
That one fucking face is exactly what he's gonna do. I'm curious if he's gonna be forced to evolve if he ever gets hired again

>>3899891
Holy fucking shit, meme magic does it again.

>>3903297
Good post. I think a lot of d/ic/ks get caught up in how flawed the successful are instead of thinking about why they’re successful and how that can be emulated.

that live drawing session made me so uncomfortable, but what confuses me is that there's a speedpaint of him doing cover art for imaginefx and he literally jots down poses and sketches that look far better than what he drew in the video with sousou...

>>3903698
Almost as if it's harder to cheat and steal when you are forced to do it live with a camera pointed at your workstation.

>>3903365
reminds me of kimi ni todoke

>>3899957
hol up

These are two different programs

>>3899957
And that matters how?

>>3903289
>so insecure has to name stuff he doesnt like as "shit" on his pc, god forbidden somebody finds it and think he likes it

>>3897409
I like what I do. And I personally value more good art than a subjective thing like personal morals.

>character design
>mechanic design
>prop design
>image board
>art setting
>animation supervision

He's the true auteur.

>>3897772
He just made his version of the reference. And since he didn't hide it, these are just fan arts. Ilya is no doubt a good artist. He knows what he wants, went to Japan and took his chance. Look at this paint he made at the age of 11 to 12.
https://twitter.com/Kuvshinov_Ilya/status/756837997937516544

>>3904590
I just found it on google and name it shit for fun brah, you don't have to be so delusional

>>3906984
>And since he didn't hide it
How new are you? He hided everything up utill people exposed him, then he start edit his posts with refs.
That picture was before he got exposed, research first before you defend someone

>>3906997
Who can't recognize Hermione or Ace attorney etc? If someone painted their fan art and claimed they were their original work, they would be too naive. These are clearly aimed at fans of the series.

>>3906984
>he did these at 12
>I would probably need 5 years of hard work to even get close to doing these

Life is so fucking unfair fuck everything, also fuck this guy you know what the stuff he did at 12 looks better than anything else he did later in his life fuck his sameface cutesy animeshit AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>3907054
Do you really think he could make it if he had continued the stuff he did at 12? They are good for the age but no more appealing than any text book illustration.

>>3907007
That's the point. He is a fucking scumbag who thought that him doing copies of more famous works without admitting it would give him a pass to plagiarize random anime screenshots, photos and artworks. I am genuinely baffled by the fact that basic bitches like you can see him tracing a random ass anime figure photo or that cosplayer pic, LIE about doing that and have an audacity to try and imply that it's somehow ok because he also copied a bunch of famous shots. What kind of ass backwards logic is that?

>>3906984
I can't look at that pic and then at that >>3903289 and believe that bullshit about doing it at 11. This man was already caught being a lying piece of shit ready to do anything to convince his army of Instagram thots that he's some sort of genius and this fits way too fucking well.

>>3907147
I don't know what exactly you mean by making it? Have a job where you draw? Fuck dude I'd rather work as a cashier than having to draw the same cutesy face over and over for the rest of my life.

Do you know why? Because I fucking love drawing, and if I have to draw something genuinely not interesting that I knew wouldn't make me progress at all (endless refference copying or even tracing and adding my cute rendering ontop) it would alienate me to no fucking end.

If I'm gonna do something shit, repetitive and borring for money, why ruin something I love in the process. He could've continued learning and do creative things, maybe he wouldn't have """""""""""made it""""""""" then but he'd be a better fucking artist.

But hey if your dream is to resign yourself in drawing the same plastic anime face until you can FINALLY get to do your own bland souless character designs into an animated movie that looks like total shit, that is fair enough.

I'm not shitting on him because I'm jealous or wish I was in his place, but because he is genuinely a reminder of what I DONT want to become.

>>3907212
This is an unrealistic mindset.

As lame as it is, he found his niche. If you built your name and your career on doing one thing well that people love, its very risky to start doing different things because you may start to alienate your fanbase/clients who just want more cute anime girls.

Besides, literally every professional artist ever has had to take jobs to make art they didn't necessarily want to make until they got to where they really want to be.

Ilya haters completely BTFO

>>3908571
>Another side view profile shot

>>3900622

lol good luck with that dumbass

>>3907212
Have you ever considered the possibilty that maybe he's happy with what he does? and that maybe he enjoys drawing the same face over and over? Don't get me wrong, he's a lazy fuck and a "cheater" and he hasn't drawn anything interesting in years but he's making a lot of money drawing pretty simple stuff and he's also working on an animated movie which I guess it's something he loves.

> Fuck dude I'd rather work as a cashier than having to draw the same cutesy face over and over for the rest of my life.

Except he doesn't share that struggle, nobody is forcing him to draw the same shit over and over and he can draw whatever he wants at any time, and in some years when he gets enough money he might start to draw stuff he's more passionate about without having to worry about money anymore while you're still working as a cashier.

The difference is that most artists can't afford to step out of their niche but with the amount of support he gets I think if he wants to try something new he'd still get lots of money and he can always draw his lazy shit inbetween and keep his fanbase happy.

>>3908671
If you think nothing is forcing him to continue the charade, you're wrong. The pressure on his shoulders must be enourmous, he cheated his way to the top of his mountain and has a massive following. He has to keep uploading and making the same shit to some extent.

But yes, it is a form of investment, and it is a complete gamble. If he wins the gamble it implies two things, that he manages to make it doing his repetitive and potentially alienating thing, and that he is still in good shape and functionable once he makes it.
I have no interest in these gambles. "Bro just work for 30 years then when you have money do what you actually love and feel passionate about". I could die anytime in the middle of that, what kind of shit investment would it be then. No. I'd rather still be a cashier but at least I would have gotten to do a bit of what I love every day in the present day.

Now ofcourse, if it turns out he loves tracing the same anime face over and over and does not find it alienating at all, then it isn't much of a gamble and another story, and you're completely right that it's something I never considered because I couldn't think of how anyone could enjoy that. And I don't see how anyone could enjoy drawing anime girls over and over, no I get that. People who are passionate about drawing the same topic such as anime girls do it in different poses, with different faces, doing different things, and probably don't trace as much.

Anyway yes, if he genuinely loves what he does good for him. But it's definitely not something I personally would pursue.

>>3908571
>the chromatic aberration on the frame
perfect *chef's kiss*

>>3896985
You can copy all you want, but you will never be as good as the bitch who invented animu eyes.

>>3908571
HE CHROMATIC ABBREVIATED A GREYSCALE PICTURE LMAO

>>3908571
>>3909341
>>3909403
my fuckign sides

I am a little weirded out by dynamics of his twitter. How is it even possible to fail to get 5k (sometimes even 1k) likes on some of your art when you have 300+k followers? Those aren't some throwaway studies either, well, they look like that but that's what he's been posting for years. Then you see that Dagashi Kashi dude shit out a random ass sketch of a character and it gets 30k.
It is like his relevancy is almost entirely constrained within instagram but I don't know a single other Japanese artist who cares about it as a platform. So it came to the point where whenever he's interviewed by a japanese journalist or something similar they have to remind everyone that he does in fact has 1.5 gorillion followers on instagram in the title every single time. It almost feels like he's not just some artist guy doing his thing but some weird ass e-celebrity project that gets paraded in front of everyone by his managers with same coined down talking points and all that stuff.

>>3909376
>i own the style
God i hate people like this so fucking much. Go register a fucking trademark then we talk

>>3909509
Same. If ((your)) art style is easy enough to copy then get better at drawing period.

>>3909376
I love seeing dumbasses in pic related because it shows how much of a primadonna mediocre anime artists can get when they realize they aren't as good or speshul as they think they are

>>3909506
>How is it even possible to fail to get 5k (sometimes even 1k) likes on some of your art when you have 300+k followers?
bot accounts

Ilya did nothing wrong. He just did what artists have been doing forever and because of his success you see a bunch of seething, jealous failures now trying to make up new rules to try and discredit him and try and prove he's somehow not a true artist. Yet I bet very few will be able to emulate his style using the same "cheats" as he does because what he in fact has is real talent. Fuck the haters.

>>3910527
Go home IIya

Does everyone on this thread hate anime or what?

>>3910606
What make you think that?

>>3910611
>>3909909

>>3910623
>a few posts talking about "muh style" fags who also have a very generic moe art style
>"wow everyone here hates anime"

>>3903360
Doubt (X)
but still laughing at the possibility of this being truths

>that PV
Yep, that smartass is setting himself for oscarbait

>>3909506
I scrolled a bit on his twitter until that post where he is with mother fucking KOJIMA holy shit
anyway, I think he has so few RT because he draws his OCs in his stall as fuck style.

But if he wants to be billionaire just watch him go full sellout and drawing fanart of the new Fate/Grand Order, Azur Lane boats or GBF waifu for easy 150k RT.
the fact that he isn't doing this is pretty impressiv

>>3910768
>go full sellout and drawing fanart of the new Fate/Grand Order, Azur Lane boats or GBF waifu for easy 150k RT
I do this every now and then, is that bad?

>>3910606
No I just like to laugh at how much of an actual hack Ilya is. It's soothing to see it because it reassures me that I can make it without my art being perfect.
>>3910760
At least he doesn't seem to be ripping of Shinkai too much, right?

>>3903360
Please give me a source for this, tell me that's real, it sounds too good to be true.

>>3910784
I don't know man, do you like those mobile games? The characters? or do you just do it for easy cash and fame?
Judging you without knowing would be prententious from me. Only yourself and your fanbase can know if you're a sellout.
Let's say you have a small but faithful following regarding X niche and you suddenly start drawing the most popular things right now, yeah I think most people would see that as being a sellout.

But then again, you do whatever you want. I know artists who have 100k following on twitter only by being sellout and are not even high intermediate, this is the easiest way to make it if your definition of GMI is momentary fame and parteon bux.

>>3910768
The only reason he is even remotely relevant in the first place is because he already went full sellout and drew fanart for every shitty taste of the season anime and video game. He might be too deep up his own ass to come back to doing it full time. Also you can find few fan-arts in his recent timeline and they are just as unimpressive as far as reception goes. I think even normie people outside of instagram thots might be genuinely tired and/or unimpressed by his shit at this point.

>>3910802
Yeah I know his story and yeah I saw a few fanart but he is retarded. For exemple that Nero DMC one, it's not even in his style and it's bland, he is garbage at anything that isn't his brand anime face.

Therefore he could just make a quick drawing everytime a new FGO(the most popular thing amongst the nip weeb crowd on twitter) servants come out and reach 1m followers in now time.
You might be right though, he thinks he is just too much of a big guy now

>>3910807
>reach 1m followers in now time
Even the big dick japanese illustrators who do nothing but this kind of shit aren't even remotely close to 500k more so 1mil what makes you think that his samey trash would ever be more popular than theirs? Especially considering that he is already followed by a large portion of this whole anime fanart target audience. The market has changed a lot since 2012 and his art got only worse with time.

>>3897772
Never heard or seen this mofo before, but that's hilarious.
'that guy
' who can't help but fail at the on-model assignment because "my ideas look better, right?" found success. this shit happens in life dudes don't freak out and misread things.

>>3910811
>1m
nvm I was just making an hyperbole, my bad if you took it seriously.
I'm basically just talking about retweets like in the original subject, he doesn't draw the appealing and popular shit

>>3910819
>he doesn't draw the appealing and popular shit
But that's the point. There is also a ton of artists doing nothing but OC that gets literal dozens of times more attention than his shit. Like that Dagashi Kashi dude or Himura Kiseki or w. e. You can't act as if fanart is the only way to be popular these days, this guy just fails hard as an OC artist, at least on twitter.

>>3910835
Because you need to have other popular artist friends to RT your stuff
Illya is a piece of shit and a hack so nobody RT his bland piece of the week

>>3910840
He already has all the means of delivering his art to potential public you could ever dream of. It really is down to people on twitter (and even his own followers) not giving a fuck about what he draws these days.

>>3910790
normies are such garbage srsly

>>3910606
how could you possibly imply that his pseudo weeb shit has even remotely anything to do with anime?

>>3903360
is this real? But how could he even get a job in japan, realistically he could continue doing his freelance shit while be stationed in japan since he has the money, but no actual company would hire him, especially not a foreigner since they have more than enough of their own far better people, and especially not a russian citizen since they need a visa to enter japan even for a vacation.

>>3910869
It's because of 69 gorillion instagram followers. No company that really cares about quality of their product would hire a designer who is only capable of producing such bland and lifeless shit but he can still just kick the door open in a lot of studios and demand people to hire him just for the opportunity to milk his army of braindead followers.
You sound like the kind of person who got completely brainwashed by this whole "japanese xenophobia" meme.
Employment in Japan is really not that magical, you just have to know the language and be worth hiring.

>>3910869
Japan is literally like anywhere else.
They will likely to hire people that they can actually talk to and understand their culture, code of coducts, v.v..
If you can't speak japanese, don't yell at them racist

https://movies.yahoo.co.jp/movie/

>literally the worst score among all movies running in Japan right now

HOW DID IT HAPPEN, BROS!? I THOUGHT STEALING AND DRAWING SAME SOULLESS EMOTIONLESS SHIT WOULD ALWAYS = SUCCESS! NOOOOO!

>>3910897
waito piggu go homu

>>3910897
KEK
I'll be a crab and say that I'm happy that this shit is flopping. Fuck this unapologetic cunt, I hope he goes bankrupt.

>>3910897
Haha I bet he will never brag about director leaving him in charge of the studio when he was out anymore.
Also checked 5chan thread dedicated to this movie and turned out people in japan are fully aware of his faggotry.

>>3910910
link pls

>>3910914
https://medaka.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/animovie/1549863562/

>>3910897
Hol up, hol up. So you sayin' that studio that hires people based on their social media presence and not quality of their work can't actually create a good piece of media even after wasting SIX YEARS on it? Shiiiet.

>>3910897
Why are nips so fucking based? I can totally imagine western basic bitches eating this shit up.

>>3910909
WILD AND PURE AND FOREVER FREE

>>3910897
>Shin-chan and Conan shitting all over those plastic ass bitches

Stop giving him shit guys, ok??

>>3910947
You have to be a major retard to believe that that was him, especially with that shitty ass doodle as proof but
>tracing is a serious accusation! I create direct 1 to 1 copies of artwork that does not belong to me but I don't trace, I do it by eye and therefore it's ok, m-kay?!

>>3910910
>>3910917
nobody called him out most of them just say the movie itself is trash

>>3910970
There is a bunch of posts and screencaps about his tracing and people discussing them. But most of the thread is about the movie itself, yeah.

>>3909506
>How is it even possible to fail to get 5k (sometimes even 1k) likes on some of your art when you have 300+k followers?

High followers+low retweets=normies care about the artist's technique or think they can learn something from it, but are not interested in the subject matter of the drawings.

Low followers+high retweets=normies care about the subject matter, but not the skill of the artist.

That's the pattern I've noticed. This is not to imply that the qualitative assessment by normies is correct. It is merely their belief.

that birthday film got low ratings but reviewers gave it a low grade for the story/execution not for the Russian guy's art /ic/ would you work in a creative project for its visuals even if you knew it would tank because of a lackluster story?

>>3911547
damn that's a good pic
and yes I would if it's anime related

>>3911547
Are we reading same posts? People say that anime is pretty as far as visuals go but complain about both character designs and setting being completely off. Also about it going for moe anime artstyle despite feeling like a work for small kids.

>>3910897
Yeah but this will do gangbusters in the west especially at cons

is tracing okay if you use 3d models either licensed to you or even better, created by you? is tracing okay if you use it just for basic gestures or figure sketching? and draw everything else? hair with volume, clothes, etc? would it be ethical? would it be wrong? would you feel like a real artist?

>>3897354
Then don't use color dodge?

>>3911872
No because eventually you'll need to learn how to draw other shit like grass, weapons, robots, cars buildings, animals and food.

git gud and do it the right way just like the true pros

>>3897013
Does somebody actually believe this? What the fuck. Tracing is the worst way to learn anything.

>>3912753
how about if you're on a deadline or constantly drawing a serialization?

>>3911872
Yeah there's absolutely nothing wrong with it if you make everything yourself. Ultimately you still need to be good to make it look good.
I can't remember which pro I heard mentionning that it's still better if you can develop skills to avoid using 3d and such as a crutch because you'll be faster doing things without them if you're skilled enough.

>>3912770
No excuse unless you're are one of the top dogs in the weekly race, you can use it then because without it you will constantly get hospitalized

>>3896985
pic related is proof that copying does not work

>>3912789
He recently made a video on that explaining how he started improving the moment he stopped mindlessly copying.

>>3912770
Well you won't be because all the jobs were taken in the late 2000s

>>3912789
can i get a quick rundown

His current style looks strikingly similar to eisaku's style

>>3910527
>>3910536
Actually, I'm >>3903085
I've been trying to emulate his style by tracing, upping eye size, and using blur and blend to paint over a photo, but the person is right. I am having an extremely difficult time mimicking it, and it's taking me waaaaay too long to complete a piece for tracing.

>>3912789
Is that the guy from Linkin Park?

IT STARTS WITH-
ONE THING

>>3912892
>his style by tracing
That's not going work, you need to actively learn his skill by using his work as refs.
Don't copy or trace but draw with your own imagination with him as ref.
Trust me, i'm also a style copy fag, although i draw slow as fuck too

>>3912892
i think there's another popular artist on deviant art that completely emulates ilya's style.

the ilya style is 3d-looking semi realistic anime gurls in a flat-plane space with lens blur, noise, and chromatic abbreviation and textured brushes

>>3897772
None of these are even traces, hell you had to edit multiple screenshots into a single image to fit your narrative. What a dumbfuck

>>3912892
The fuck did I just read. Tracing and colour picking from reference? NGMI

>>3912882
Eisaku's design in Carole & Tuesday is great.

>>3903223
I just laughed harder than I have in a long time. I hope you're trolling bro

>>3914142
yes they look so dainty and cute but still mature

>>3912811
Wasted like 6 years copying and finally figured out he didn't improve, spent like a year actually doing the fundamentals and surprise surprise he improved

>>3896985
Lmao I didn't know that in this shithole there some many people with inferiority complex. You don't know how to draw, so you think that this guy, who KNOWS how to draw, should fail?

Lmao.

>>3915488
>irya
>know how to draw

>>3915494
I hope I keep seeing this image at least once per thread from now on

>>3915488
> I-it's because ur jealous!

>>3897013
What are you learning from tracing something?

>>3916554
Mainly stuff about form and flow, internalizing measurements and proportions, shape design etc etc...

Get some Mucha drawings and trace his limbs for a day (he has amazing shapes for arms for exemple), see how draw you them from memory or from copy later and compare your progress.

And yeah you'll still have to draw stuff on your own from construction later, but there's always a lot to learn,

even studying just by thoroughly looking at reference for example is a great exercise to break things down in your head before even putting pen to paper.

>>3899957
Fucking lol

>>3907054
What? You could learn how to do this in a months time if you took aditional art classes.

High schoolers who don't even care about art can learn to do this.

>>3899957
I don't get it

>>3909403
>HE CHROMATIC ABBREVIATED A GREYSCALE PICTURE LMAO
normies wont care

>>3916709
There's a ridiculous gap in skill between the two. While Ilya was busy trying to take shortcuts to make his usual profile view semi-realistic animu girr (that fucking blob of grey on the character's face lmfao, is it supposed to be a cap??), the nip was quickly done and even showed a few good tricks.

>>3896985
>>3897772

>>3911444
>High followers+low retweets=normies care about the artist's technique or think they can learn something from it, but are not interested in the subject matter of the drawings.
>Low followers+high retweets=normies care about the subject matter, but not the skill of the artist.
That is a really interesting pattern to think about. I've noticed the second a lot, but not really the first. I think comments also play a big deal into gauging engagement. I assume there's a lot of bots but out of Ilya's 300k followers and considering the age, I really doubt even 25-30% of that uses twitter actively any more.

>>3916729
If he were to "steal" everything the same way he stole that bottom one there would be absolutely zero drama around him. But alas he's too fucking lazy to change anything 90% of the time.