/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3914168
Yeah, it sucks probably because they have more open communities on pixiv and what ever else. 2ch is probably their worst of worst.
http://zip.2chan.net/11/res/40648.htm This isn't so bad though.

>>3914168
They don't have a critique in their board name though, just "stuff you drew".

>>3914168
is there a catalog overview for this?

>>3914420
nvm the catalog is kinda weird tho lol

you all are so blinded by the good anime art that gets posted outside of pixiv, but if you actually went on there you'd realize there's utter shit MS paint garbage on there too.

I feel smart now. Thanks.
Also those paedophile ads wtf
I feel like less a freak too.

We should make a thread there saying they suck. Rivalry would be good.

>>3914168
Maybe they're worse, but unlike most of what I see on /ic/, their drawings have soul

>>3914456
You can't post without a Japanese IP and all the major proxies and VPNs are banned

I remember browsing here and seeing the jp equivalent of teal who redlines art and gave advice. I think he went by the name of 0333 or something like that on pixiv. I wish his stuff was archived somewhere...

>>3914168
I love Google Translate

>>3914464
shitty porn aside there are some gems

>>3914492
I know that feel, anon-kun...

FOLDED 1000 TIMES

>>3914470
I know people in Japan. Let's write something, I'll ask them to post.

It really goes to show what kind of people infest imageboards. Porn porn porn porn porn.

>>3914503
It seems like the anons in 2ch are even more of a loser than the ones here. Kinda feels good.

Do they ever talk about us?

>>3914507
A post said that "those gaijins have uploaded pirated resources that you can study"

>>3914498
That'd be good if he fixed the hands

>>3914498
Superior Japanese linework what the fuck

>>3914500
Let's do it one word at a time.

Hi,

I have a Japanese IP.

Decide on a post and image, and I’ll make a thread and link it here.

>>3914470
Imagine how /ic/ would be if you could only post if you had a US ip

>>3914168
>Japanese/ic/ is significantly worse than 4chan /ic/

Japanese /ic/ is 95% people posting their own works. 4chan /ic/ is 5% people posting their own works, and 95% whining, e-penis contests, excuses not to study from so-and-so, and trolls trolling trolls. I'd take the former if I could.

>>3914522
Going by 2chan, much much worse apparently.

>>3914518
>you gooks fucking suck dicks. come over to our board and read Loomis or enjoy being ngmis forever.
>>

>>3914527
Do this.

>>3914423
>>3914420
Wait, how’d you find the catalog? I forgot how clumsy old school 4chan was to browse.

>>3914518
what is the main thing you japanese study to learn art fundementals

we must settle the question 'what is japanese version of loomis' once and for all

>>3914527
I'm learning moonrunes, I think it would be something like this

>お前日本人はチンチンが大好きだね。俺たちのサイトに来てルーミスを読むだけどまぬけであることを楽しむよ。

>>3914531
there should be "catalog" in small blue letters somewhere in the upper area right below the "Post a Reply" thingy.

That being said I'm surprised how beg their board is, not specifically the art, but the presentation of the site itself.

>>3914537
>ルーミス
Loomis-SAMA you baka!

>>3914538
A lot of their websites seem to be from a decade or 2 ago, they like that stuff

>>3914500
>harro onii-chan, I am very disappointed that you let someone like Ilya deceive you and make a fool of Japanese culture. Sayonara baka ningen

>>3914545

>>3914518
>You faggots are NGMI

>>3914535
I’m not Japanese, lol. I just live here.

>>3914556
this is the thing you should post, this is not adressed to you

>>3914557
Look at their board. Are you sure you wanna be learning from them?

>>3914558
there is always something to learn from

>>3914565
this

>>3914558
It's just a fun cultural exchange, they love when we gaijins post there

>>3914558
Yes? This board contains a lot of shit too, doesn't mean there is nothing to learn from here.

>>3914570
>>3914569
>>3914565
>>3914557
Alright, done:

http://zip.2chan.net/14/res/34223.htm

>>3914575
based
hope the nip mods won't remove it

>>3914575
>Posting in English

>>3914580
Seems like a very slow board, I doubt it has moderation.

We’re more active than they are, and we barely have moderation.

>>3914581
That’s how you stand out anon. It’s like a riddle.

>>3914582
I'm a mod on another site. I come here to relax, occasionally participate constructively but mostly to laugh at beg threads, which I think are hilarious. You don't really want the excessive moderation some folks are advocating here. It'll ruin the place worse than the shitposting. You want excessive moderation, go to that fucking anonsquak site that keeps bot-bombing 4chan. Enjoy being an aspie pedo. Yeah, a few things could be cleaned up, like too many redundant threads on the same shit. But excessive moderation here would kill the place. There are plenty of carefully moderated sites on the web already. If you really wanted a better place to yack about art you'd go there. But you can't because you're a misfit and can't adapt to a civil forum. So you're here. Enjoy the cozy bed you made for yourself.

>>3914430
this. you are pretty much forced to see the bad stuff since you have to pay to see the popular art which where all the good stuff is.

>>3914591
are you ok anon

5ch is a better equivalent despite not being an image board

https://agree.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/oekaki/1542455349/

There's even red lines going on

>>3914556
Hey Japanon, do you think there is more room for original works in Japan? Like if you make original content people will give a shit? Or is it all fanart like in the West?

>>3914599
かわいいでしょう

>>3914591
kek at this sperg
there's a vent thread you know

>>3914599
Can you post there from the West?

>>3914605
Nope

>>3914599
>can't even open the link
Very good

>>3914599
Just a blank page, can't be viewed from non-nippon?

>>3914611
>>3914613
Howaito piggu go homu

Actually don't know. I'm not viewing it from a Japanese IP. That link was going to a thread. Try viewing the front page with this link
https://agree.5ch.net/oekaki/

>>3914617
>https://agree.5ch.net/oekaki/

Still just a blank page. Tried from proxies too, same thing.

>>3914611
>>3914613
>>3914617
You need a nip VPN to see it.
If you just want to read you can let it through google translate, but there'll be no images.

>>3914611
>>3914613
>>3914617

Okay I think I worked it out; it's blocking EU countries, probably because of GDPR

>>3914619
>>3914620
Weird. I'm viewing it from America just fine. No kind of VPN active

>>3914622
Yet another reason to hate being an eurocuck

>>3914599
Isn't 5ch the one owned by Hiro?

>>3914622
>Europoors will never have access to the superior Japanese knowledge

>>3914622
What is this site?

>>3914628
>Any why did you vote leave in the Referendum
>ANIME TITTIES

>>3914628
Wut this isn’t loomis

>>3914620
>You need a nip VPN to see it.
Im seeing it from switzerland just fine

>>3914646
The block is only in the EU

>>3914649
god I love my country

>>3914628

>>3914658
reminds me of that cursed playground made by some anon

>>3914673

>>3914575
>no reply in 2 hours
dead board
let's post on 5ch

>>3914575
fail

>>3914680
I've been posting on 5ch as well.

It's also very slow compared to 4chan.

They have three boards of interest:

https://agree.5ch.net/oekaki/
https://mevius.5ch.net/illustrator/
https://fate.5ch.net/comic/

I'm gonna post some old work on this thread on Oekaki:

https://agree.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/oekaki/1542455349/l50

See what people say. But as you can see, replies come in slow. Also, a lot of the advice they give is very similar to what you see here too. Just in Japanese.

>>3914701
Also, I find it funny that Japs wanna marry white women in favor of Japanese women:

https://mevius.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/gender/1501907592/l50

Grass is always greener on the other side yatta yatta... but, idk what they're expecting from white girls, if they think Jap girls are too much. Though I guess a trade is fine. Asian girls want white guys anyway, and a lot of us don't want white girls, so...

>>3914701
>very similar to what you see here too. Just in Japanese.
the crabbing too?

>>3914701
any way to see the image directly instead of clicking the imgur everytime?

>>3914705
Post that shit on your blog, incel.

>>3914718
Have sex :^)

>>3914622
lol what working super fast here

The more I lurk 5ch, the more I appreciate 4chan desu. And I don’t just mean their art boards.

Also, Hiro is an absolute cunt. I can see why that pasta of not trusting the guy gets posted around, guy’s an absolute scumbag.

>>3914535
>we must settle the question 'what is japanese version of loomis' once and for all
The japanese version of Loomis is still Loomis, you mongoloid.

>>3914918
explain further

>>3914964
2ch is filled to the brim with malicious advertising and data collection (which is ironic for an anonymous board). Moreover, you’ll get banned from posting after a couple posts, because apparently 2ch has a self-made browser that also harvests data, the majority of users use. If you wanna avoid this, you can pay money to be VIP, which lets you post from any region in the world. Any links posted on the site will automatically go through a redirect page, that once again, is loaded up with ads. Also, 2ch is in direct affiliation with some marketing and investment companies in Japan, as well as some shady publicity agencies who post content from there to spark controversy, etc...


There’s a lot of shady stuff, and it paints a good picture of what 4chan will be like given more time, under Hiro’s domain. That said, 2ch is powerful because people have no alternative.

>>3914983
What about 2chan (futaba)?

>>3914983
unironically yikes
might even use reddit over 2ch at this point

>>3914535
They learned from the west. Japanese art was total shit before they learned from the yuros.

>>3914983
Also, it’s incredibly insular and caters heavily to Japan’s far right. Unlike 4chan, where pretty much anyone can post, discussion on 2ch is far more restrictive in many ways. For example, only Japanese IP are allowed to post.

Now, I’m right wing myself, but as you read through posts, Japan’s far right is kinda retarded. And they have this really strange hatred of Koreans. It’s like /pol/ except more retarded, and with a more irrational superiority complex. Their News board, is 80% bitching about Koreans and how they’re so much better.

Idk, Japan is far behind its Asian neighbors in a number of ways, particularly in English too, so idk where they got off acting all high and mighty. There’s a lot of cognitive dissonance too. Like, they bitch about Japanese women being washed up cause of feminism and stuff, but they all wanna marry a white girl. It’s like, “do you NOT realize that stuff is much worse in the west?” Idk, reading through it feels like I’m looking at /pol/s younger brother (I know 2ch came first). It’s bizarre really.

>>3915003
Oh, factor in too that unlike /pol/ this is the most popular board on Japan’s most popular WEBSITE.

>>3914987
That just seems to be mostly dead. It reminds me a lot of cripple chan. It’s about as active as it too. Except with way more porn ads.

>>3914983
it seems pretty low audience based, like there are only 1k people posting compared to 4chan. Besides talking with japanese people about it seems they avoid such places like the plague, and only mouthbreathers, hikikomori, and social outcasts who live in internet cafes visit places like that, so why go to such lengths to scam those few people where there is barely anything to gain in the first place.

>>3915003
I don't get how japanese nationalists claim how the japanese are some sort of enlightened race when the suicide rates are sky high.

>>3914599
sexy linework

>>3915054
There are a lot of great things about Japan but there are a lot of fucked up things too. When is good is amazing when it's bad is fucking terrible. When I was young and I lived there people liked me and treated me like a fucking king. I have so many friends. My 20th bday I had 3 parties 2 of which were a surprise. My biggest problem was choosing which girl to date because friends were competing over me. Because they value youth. Now that I'm old af no one cares, they dispose of me like a used anal tampon. Now that I don't have what they want anymore, they will just tell me to get lost.

>>3915070
Isn't Japan notoriously bad for making friends?

>>3914591
wtf is anonsquak

>>3914535
My nip has degraded quite severely in the 7 years since I was last at school, but try posting it again with this if you want to get a serious answer.

アートのファンダメンタルズについて、日本人が何を勉強するこ最も重要なとか?

私達はこの質問は「ルーミスの日本バージョンなんですか」だ。

敬具、4chanの/ic/。

>>3914947
i meant what books they spam, not the methods. obviously.

>>3915288
thanks japanfriend

>>3914535
My nip has degraded quite severely in the 7 years since I was last at school, but try posting it again with this if you want to get a serious answer.

アートのファンダメンタルズについて、日本人が何を勉強すること最も重要ですか。

私達は質問する「ルーミスの日本バージョンなんですか」。

敬具、4chanの/ic/。

>>3915294
Not Nip, just somebody that studied the language for funsies then never did anything with their ability and allowed it to degrade horribly.

Also I deleted and reposted because I screwed up some bits.

>>3915298
you would've gotten a better result from google translate there bud

>>3915308
Post your work.

>>3915308
Nah. Feel free to fix it though, I'm hardly an authority on the language. Or even good.

Why are the Japs so fucking good at everything
It's not fucking fair

>>3915393
They believe they’re the best and as a result they are.

>>3915393
because they don't have a culture that subconsciously shames everyone (especially males) who wants to draw and is above the age of 12. the just draw because it's fun, they draw cute things because they like cute things and they never stop because drawing isn't "uncool" to them

>>3915070
>There are a lot of great things about Japan but there are a lot of fucked up things too.
I watched this recently
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtdupS0gRt0

>>3915393
>why is the grass always greener on the other side?

>>3915393
An actual answer: they have a strong work ethic

>>3915444
Then what are the cons? Do tell.
>>3915447
We all do. How do think we're still alive?

>>3915458
>Then what are the cons?
what is that question? You want to high suicide rates. Young adults aren't having kids, or just having sex in general. The NEET problem.

>>3915393
What are you even talking about? Especially in this thread where you see drawings like these posted
>>3914599
>>3914623
>>3914661

This thread should be comforting for people like you who think Japanese are born godly. In reality they sucked as bad as we did and had to work their way up like everyone else. They are only human

>>3915462
Also these really highlight it
>>3914656
>>3914628

>>3915460
>high suicide rates
At least people understand to escape.
>Young adults aren't having kids
Nothing wrong with this.
>having sex in general
Still nothing.
>The NEET problem
There's NEETs everywhere in the world. The grass really is greener.

>>3915469
What are some hypothetical cons that you would accept as an actual con? Because it sounds like you're delusional

>>3915460
>Young adults aren't having kids, or just having sex in general
would honestly rather have that than std ridden whores and manwhores running around fucking everything everywhere like here in america where disgusting pigs have 5 kids at a time

>>3915525
Who's the last person you met that had 5 kids anon.

>>3915532 >>3915525

also has STD's aswell

>>3915460
I think it's ok to have high suicide rates. I try to stay alive because there's this ingrained belief that life is somehow precious and things are not so bad after all and you can make it if you want to. This is just a fabrication. All I can aspire to is working in a supermarket or something, I don't want that, I want to make it as an artist. But since this is clearly impossible for me why the hell should I keep living? Just because society says I matter and I'm precious, even when I haven't received a phone call in 7 years and nobody gives a shit about my work? This is just hypocrisy. I just don't want to hurt my family but when my mother is dead and my cat is dead I'll see myself out.

>>3915592
What you're going is literally just chemical reactions happening in your brain that has no meaning at all. Just like life. The feelings you get when you think about the future is a chemical reaction anon, you don't know anything about what will happen. If life has no meaning and death is endless why not just live. it doesn't matter in the end and clearly you have the ability to be emotionally connected to other people.

How can we make a thread on their /ic/?
It won't let me because I don't have a Japanese IP adress.
I forgot, isn't there websites where you can get different IP adresses from different countries?

>>3915603
I hate people. I'm mentally ill. I feel like shit all the time. I have sobered up from the worst of depression and I'm still tired of living in the most clear minded state I can be. I have no purpose and I'm tired of falling literally every single thing I attempt. I am tired of sweet talking myself into attempting just one more time when it just doesn't matter. I don't have the opportunity to live the life I would like to live. I don't want to convince that it's ok to give up and live like a zombie.

>>3915603
And either way these chemical reactions are not temporary. They are not curable with a bunch of pills, I have tried more than a dozen. I'm a defective person nobody cares about, why is it important that I live?

>>3915612
I tried making a thread on there using a proxy and it knew it was a proxy an wouldn't let me.
Then I tried posting here and got BANNED with the proxy.

This is /ic/ not your fucking blog. If you're not posting about 2chan or 5ch /ic/ then please fuck right off

>>3915532
Go to any poor communities, alot breed like rabbits. I live in a shitty town and I have seen it alot
and I didn't say both at the same time. I'm just saying STDs and poor communities having alot of children is a problem we have here that Japan doesn't seem to have because they are alot less sexually active
which is why I would argue their low rates of sex is alot better than us where we are hypersexual

>>3915329
If you use machine translation, you should use this site. You can get a much more natural translation than Google.
https://miraitranslate.com/trial/

>>3915616
it's not important that you live, the average person couldn't care less about you. The most important skill you should learn is self acceptance and knowing how your own psyche works. Life shouldn't be about other people thinking about you, it's about you thinking for yourself.

Also it's extremely impossible for humans to change mindsets after being told to 'get better'. How you change your mindset is a long process filled with repetition of something that you can strive for. this is why pills don't fix you anon. The mind is like hard clay, it's not easy to mold but it can be molded if you keep working on it.

>>3915627
The Japanese just don't breed, they are not sexually inactive. Japanese girls can get pretty slutty.

>>3915637
I think the role you have in society matters. This is why the Japanese kill themselves. Anyway >>3915619 is right, I didn't want to open a discussion about suicide. I just wanted to say that if a country has high suicide rates because of extreme social Darwinism it's not that bad, if a useless social reject kills himself or lives a depressing life of wage slavery he's dead anyway.

>>3915627
You don't think poor communities in Japan breed like rabbits too? This is a common thing of any society

what in the fuck happened to this thread

I'm Japanese but I prefer ic than 5ch/2chan. There are too many noises on those sites like trolls and stealth marketing. In Japan normal people have already moved to twitter / instagram. If you want critics / red lines, you will post on pixiv. There are tons of tutorial and amateur art teacher there. If you are a would-be professional artist, posting works on Pixiv will lead to business, too. If you want a job in video game industry, you will work at some company as internship or part timer and make connection there. If you want to be a manga artist, you will apply for assistant after graduating high school. This way you can learn skill and get paid. Anyway, 5ch/2chan is not suited for someone semi-seriously wants to get better at art. Those sites are for lonely people who would make fan art and circle jerk.

>>3915654
>Those sites are for lonely people who would make fan art and circle jerk.
Imagine being so lonely you post on an online image board filled with Anonymous users who are all dragging each other down in a never ending shitstorm and you are unable to leave with your own free will and you just keep coming back. Boy we sure are lucky to not be in that predicament.

>>3914518
what's their opinion on this image?

>>3915654
It really bums me that you have a bunch of paths to follow in Japan because there's an actual art industry while here in the West it's either social media clowning or making mobile game assets on artstation. It's depressing.

>>3915654
>posting works on Pixiv will lead to business
>If you want a job in video game industry, you will work at some company as internship or part timer and make connection there.
>If you want to be a manga artist, you will apply for assistant after graduating high school. This way you can learn skill and get paid.
all these options (with pay), no wonder why there's so many good Japanese artists

>>3915753
>yfw you can always move to Japan to do all of this, but people will still not do it

>>3915654
How do you feel whenever things like >>3915393
get posted?

>>3915874
I think it's the typical "The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence" effect. In our art school, they teach western method of art such as plaster cast drawing. Students sketch ancient Greece figure and learn perspective etc. But there's barely any market for modern traditional painting and nobody knows what they are doing after graduation. In contrast, western paintings like Impressionist are still popular and overall people think the Renaissance art is supreme. But they stay minor hobbies and art works people actually buy are mostly traditional Japanese things. Such as Japanese painting a la style of Ukiyo-e or ceramic art.

>>3915756
That’s literally what I’m doing. I just gotta learn the language. But being here, it’s a lot easier to pick up, yeah.

>>3915654
Very insightful, thanks. I was considering shilling some of my stuff on there, but the general low traffic, plus the kinda “exclusiveness” of it kinda put me off from wanting to post.

>>3915974
If you would work in Japan, you should acquire your original "western flavor" etc. However you are proficient at Japanese language and anime style, you will never be beyond one of pixiv artists in Japan unless you are from east asia. Unfortunately, american realistic comic style is not so popular in Japan. But cartoonish style or Moebius bande dessiner style have niche market. Like Rodney Greenblat, Douman Sayman etc.

>>3914525
You know I've always wondered why we get so little drawing traffic on this board per day

>>3915993
Yeah, people over here often tell me my art style is very refreshing due to its western influences, though I personally can’t quite see what they mean, it’s important that I figure that out to emphasize it, and craft my own unique artistic identity around that.

I already get freelance work fairly regularly, enough to sustain myself in fact. However, my goal is to get picked up by a Japanese publisher, and get paid for my own original content, in the form of manga and whatnot. On the plus side, people I’ve met irl have said they’d pick up a manga made by me purely cause of the style and character designs alone. They say they’ve got a lot of appeal. However, one of the benefits of anonymous communities online is that they’re often very honest, which helps paint a very realistic picture of where you actually stand. I hope to make good use of them in the coming months before I start sending my work out to publishers and agents.

My work btw:
chagoxchago.artstation.com

>>3916031
Oh yeah, I’ve also been told to make more use of Twitter and Pixiv to market myself. Which is something I’ve never been good at desu.

>>3915067
I wanna know this nips' blog!

>>3915654
>If you want critics / red lines, you will post on pixiv. There are tons of tutorial and amateur art teacher there
Really? How? Is there some sort of art teacher groups or something? How do you get redlines/advice there? I'm somewhat new to pixiv and had no idea there was some sort of art help there outside of tutorials

>>3915592
>>3915603
fuck this, my way of thinking is better. think of the day you seriously contemplated suicide as the day you actually did it, and everything after that is not a second chance, but just the time left for enjoying yourself. when you cant do that anymore, kys for real

you dont have to do anything in life, but you might want to do X or Y

>>3915633
>あなた
Dropped

>>3915654
So how do people learn to draw in Japan? Pls respond

>>3914701
>日本語怪しい
Uh oh they spotted the gaijin in record time

>>3916322
Well, it's just the same as we can spot ESLs at the drop of a hat. I'm most certainly not fluent.

Overall they were pretty friendly. Said I should strive to do my best by all means. That having an influence like me on their boards is good stimulus for them. But also, repeated what the Japanon here said. That 5ch is not a healthy community, and that I would get much better opinions pretty much anywhere else.

>>3916141
Fundamentals.

>>3916141
I'm not sure but naturally? All Japanese kids draw manga at least once in their lifetime. Some continue to draw all the time. Mostly copying favorite characters like Goku. Only a handful of them go on to art college. But they rarely become manga/anime artist. Those who pursue manga/anime carrier are all self taught. Normally, they are already good at manga style art in middle to high school. I don't think they follow authentic art tutorial like construction or anatomy. They just copy a lot. You get better through an extraordinary amount of copying. If there's talent for manga art, it must be a talent to copy all day without getting bored. One of my friends is a really good manga artist but he never does construction. Once I asked him how he got better. His answer is memorizing all the shapes of human body from any angle. If he can't draw something, for example a hand seen from a certain angle, he uses tracing paper and copy the shape. And repeat drawing the same shape for days until he memorizes the shape. Sounds really amateurish but it works. No rock star went to music college. They just one day grabbed a guitar and started singing without knowing how to read music score.

>>3916440
error: carrier --> career

>>3915664
>free will

>>3916031
you're that anon who sent your manga to jump iirc, it was pretty good
did you made it?

>>3916440
This makes alot of sense
/ic/ has begun to notice that anime art is extremely shape design focussed
This is the biggest thing that makes western art look western and not like anime even when they try.
We make noses out of triangular 3d shapes, heads out of spheres, etc. It's a totally different frame of thinking

Personally I think constructing things out of 3d is the better method by far but it takes decades of practice to get your art to look as good as an amateur jap artist

>>3916141
if you guys really want to know how most japanese mangaka and to some extent entertainment designers self-study, watch this vid: https://youtu.be/L9xQse5ErxA?list=PLErhLIguWupu7kNbgUpCyJvzluc9atp9K

If you think there's some huge contrast it'll surprise you how similar it is to western methods, they're just trying to interpret the world around em like all other cultures.

>>3916599
forgot to add, they have a great mandatory art education system that mainly consists of cast and basic form drawing in primary schools as well, so their fundies get developed pretty decently early on, usually.

>>3915654
>Those sites are for lonely people who would make fan art and circle jerk.
>implying this isn't /ic/

>>3916599
>Ruumisu sensei
Will /ic/ ever learn?
Here is Miyazaki saying they use a Western method
https://youtu.be/2L0YgdIpXas?t=185
3:05 timestamp

>>3916440
Great post, and something I have heard before regarding Japanese artists. Thank you, anon.

>>3916599
>shows Loomis
LOL
I guess Loomis is the Japanese Loomis

>>3916440
All it takes is dedication to git gud huh. No special trait.

>>3916575
You mean the contest from last year yeah? Nah, we didn’t win. But I’ve been working on my art and cinematography since then, as well as learning the foundations of good storytelling (there’s a really good video series of college lectures on YT by the guy who wrote the Mistborn series btw). And my friend has been reading lots of manga, and working on his writing.

We’ve got three different one shots lined up to present, as well as outlines for the first few chapters of two different manga projects written up. And I also recently moved to Japan like 6 weeks ago. I’ve been making friends here, building connections, and learning the language and such.

My goal is to present some stuff to publishers by the end of the year, hoping to get a decent contract for both me and my friend. I’m looking into possibly contacting an Agency here to help negotiate for better deals. But well, priority number 1 right now is getting our products finalized and ready to present, and making sure they’re really good.

I can at least say with confidence that they’re all significantly better than what we entered into the contests last year.

At the very least though, living in Japan grants me the opportunity to keep knocking at the door of the industry while continuously improving my skills until something happens.

So if you don't constantly grind since you were a child is it impossible to be as good as someone who has or even remotely professional?

>>3917116
>dedication
>No special trait.

>>3917137
Have you heard of of the new VIZ' Originals imprint that they're launching next year?

https://www.viz.com/originals

>>3916080
Sure, like this: https://www.pixiv.net/group/?id=9114
The system is just like red line thread on ic but more active and comfy. Many members are teens. Teachers are also amateur but sometimes it's better to learn from someone who is slightly better than you than from a master of art. The difference from ic is you can see teacher's drawings for it's a social media. Also there's some rule such as no multi post, be sure to say thank you etc.

>>3917143
dedication is something that is learned, no one has it as a special trait anon.

>>3917154
Nope, first I’ve heard of it actually. Too bad it’s US only, and you have to go in person. I was living in Spain prior to moving to Japan, so it would have been just as tough as getting it in Japan.

Worth keeping an eye on, more options is never a bad thing. Gonna try my luck with Japanese publishers first though. It’s become almost like a goal of mine to be the first westerner to seriously make it in Japan. That’s what I’m aiming for and working towards at least.

>>3917165
Plus,I like living in Japan. It’s super comfy, and I get a lot of positive attention just for being a foreigner. I’d much rather live here than in the US if I’m being honest.

>>3917158
It's comfy because no matter how bad your art is, they never shoot you down. On the contrary, they offer as sincere advice as possible so long as you are sincere, too.

>>3917158
Even though top is getting critiqued it still has this stylistic charm to it. I see this often even with less refined stuff coming from them.

who she is?, her mascot or something?

>>3916440
>I don't think they follow authentic art tutorial like construction or anatomy. They just copy a lot. You get better through an extraordinary amount of copying. If there's talent for manga art, it must be a talent to copy all day without getting bored. One of my friends is a really good manga artist but he never does construction.
/ic/ blown the FUCK out

>>3917165
>It’s become almost like a goal of mine to be the first westerner to seriously make it in Japan.
I'm afraid you've already failed your goal, then.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felipe_Smith
> He is the creator, co-designer, and writer of Robbie Reyes Ghost Rider,[3][4] and the author of Peepo Choo, a manga series debuting in 2009 in Kodansha's Morning 2 monthly magazine. It is the first manga created & serialized in Japan by a Western creator before being licensed for an English-language release.

>>3917158
>tfw you now have to become Japanese for their teachings
Good bye /ic/. It was nice knowing you.

>>3917216
Nah, I already knew about Felipe Smith, but he doesn't really count in my mind. He never won any awards for Peepo Choo, hardly anyone really knows about him, both East and West, and he's not really recognized in the Manga Museum in Kyoto. Plenty of Westerners have been published in Japan, but hardly anyone knows about them. I think the significance in that is really that Japan is open to publishing work from foreigners, which is a definite plus. Respect for Felipe Smith and many others for showing it can be done.

But thus far, not a single westerner has reached large mainstream success in the Manga industry. How far you make it really comes down to the quality and raw appeal of your own work, as the opportunity to get published here is rather open. So that's what I'm aiming for. Getting published is the first step, but not what I would consider "making it." I wanna aim much higher than that.

I do have confidence in my talent, in my ideas, and my ability to create work that is genuinely appealing to many people. I just gotta keep refining my skills, and take the leap of faith when the time is right, and then keep pushing until it happens. So I just gotta work hard, and have a bit of luck.

>>3917223
You can do it. Because you actually act.

>>3917137
damn that's a lot of dedication, are you working there meanwhile or how do you sustain yourself? Also I've been wondering if you got picked up without being fluent in nip, would you have an assigned translator?
anyway let us know, this gaijin underdog story is interesting to follow

>>3917158
Wow thanks for explaining this to me! I like saving redlines to learn from other's mistakes

>>3917223
>But thus far, not a single westerner has reached large mainstream success in the Manga industry.
Get the fuck out of here with those lies. Dude from No Game No Life is Brazilian.

>>3914168
That looks more like an /i/ oekaki counterpart.

>>3917189
Yeah I've seen her alot and I've been lurking on and off there for a while

>>3917420
>Dude from No Game No Life
literally what

>>3917420
He's a Light Novel Illustrator, not a Mangaka. Also, he's half Japanese.

>>3917628
So light novels don't count as the manga industry, even when the thing became a franchise adapted into manga and anime?

>>3917647
he's not the one who draws the manga, his wife does
also, as already stated, he's half-japanese and spoke the language at a native level before going to japan

>>3914622
why would they do this? what is gdpr?

>>3916440
>I don't think they follow authentic art tutorial like construction or anatomy.
This is the only thing I don't agree with in this post. I've seen and studied plenty of manga artist who use construction. Once you start mastering construction you don't even need to put down the constriction lines on paper, you can just imagine them and I believe that's what a lot of pros do; this looks discouraging to beginners because it seems as though they're not using construction at all. I'll also say that construction can be done in different ways, it can be used by taking simple shapes and combining them into more complex shapes, it can be drawing a simple gesture line and building on top of it, it can be guide lines making sure that everything is in the right place.

>>3917647
No. light novels aren't manga, they are light novels. Two very different mediums.

>>3916031
>>3917137
how did you figure out the visa situation? did you navigate their fucky rent system all on your own?
cool to see how hard you've been grinding anon, it's really motivating desu

>>3917779
Would like to know this also

>>3916031
Can you tell us more about yourself? When did you start drawing?

>>3917661
>what is gdpr?
This website is for users 18 and up.

also fuck europe

>>3916031
Your art is very underwhelming, but since you're learning to world build I'm sure you'll gitgud, just your composition is very boring.

>>3915756
you will always be gaijin. gaijin dont get it so easy
>>3915680
the west does more with art than you think. For as shitty as the games industry can be to it's employees (no worse than the manga industry btw) every single game ever made that wasn't a One-Man-Army project has had at least one artist on the project. There are fucktons of indies willing and capable to hire any artist so long as you can make the assets they request, and most of them aren't tied to any style so you have freedom to bring your own flair. Also the movie industry is huge and they need art.
And if neither of those work theres always business art, or you can try shooting for architectural design. Fashion is also huge and there are often openings for designers if you have interesting work to submit; You just might have to suck a bit of dick to get in.
>>3916440
>No rock star went to music college
Provably false. You're right that most rock stars or most "Star" types didn't go to school but 99% of them did learn their fundies one way or another, on top of every member of their engineering or AV crew having learned their respective fundies
>>3917141
No. The people who have been grinding since diapers just have a headstart on you mechanically, but you have the advantage of being able to look on everyone else's mistakes and successes and steal every last method that they've used to succeed as well as developing your own. So long as you can use your position as an observer to your advantage you'll be fine but do keep in mind you'll have to grind hard to put your muscle memory where theirs is, which isn't a hard feat, just a part of the struggle.

>>3917362
>>3917779
>>3917906
I got sponsored for a work visa to work as an ALT. Teach English in Elementary schools basically. It's very similar to what I was already doing for work in Spain primarily, except way less stressful, and for far better pay.

The company I work for also helped all of us get set up, bank, rent, tax info, phone, etc... etc... So the only real issue was really more the money, our first pay doesn't come till the end of this month, so it's been a rather tight month and a half, but I've been able to adapt fairly well. Once I got decently set up I started working on commissions to make ends meet though, so that worked out alright. Only real issue with that was that I had less time to work on my own stuff in the afternoons, but it's been ok otherwise.

I dunno what else to say. I think one of the real good perks of working in Elementary school, outside of the enriching life experience it presents in and of itself, is the fact that I've been able to show some of my work to these kids (2 different schools too, so we're talking a sample size of nearly 1000 kids), and get some feedback on it. Which has been really validating, as they all love it. Onigiri and Nin-Nin especially have been popular, with many kids asking me to draw those characters for them specifically as they really liked them. Onigiri as well, his name got plenty of loud laughs from kids because of the pun in his name. So that's a definite plus, as that's my target audience. Again, it's been very validating. Kinda shows me that I'm on the right path with things. The raw appeal of the characters, particularly the two main characters of one of the projects, Onigiri and Nin-Nin has been something a lot of people have commented on very positively.

Once I get these commissions out of the way, I plan on jumping in and making some more art of those two, as I've got a very clean idea of where to improve my art in specifically.

>>3917908
Been drawing since I was a kid, but most of the stuff from before I found /ic/. was pretty shit. Started learning at around 2013.

>>3918756
Oh yeah, forgot to add art to that post.