/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3909186
idk dude, try something else? I like hampton's aproach to drawing more so than loomis's, but as long as you end up being able to somewhat construct the form you want to construct, use whatever method clicks better for you.
Also regardless of what some annons here will say, learning this shit is pretty hard, it's normal for it to be a long, frustrating and boring process, especially early on

>>3909186
you are a brainlet. This is an incontrovertible fact. I know you are a brainlet because you think that there are rules, when there are, in fact, none, and in their stead exist only tools. These tools, which we call the "Fundamentals of Art", are employed by artists to make their works more appealing, accurate, or what have you. Without the Fundamentals, all of us would still be making pre-renaissance-christianity-tier art. The Fundamentals are applied universally, because they are derived from reality. Loomis is just one man who wanted to teach to you the Fundamentals, but you just shat on his whole message and body of work and thus are Not Going To Make It (No Matter What). Kim Jung Gi can draw without construction because he practiced, a lot, everyday nonstop always. Drawing is the only thing he does and it comes to him as easy as breath because he has a lifetime of experience and engagement with the subject backing him. He loves the craft, and you dont, OP.

>>3909186
oh yeah pyw btw

>>3909186
my old teacher, george pratt, is a great example of "fuck rules" and whatever. amazing artist, amazing person, i learned a ton from him. his site: https://www.georgepratt.com/ he painted alongside jeff "catherine" jones - you may have heard of that name - really amazing illustrator.

however.

he only wishes to draw from reference, as he says he "wants all the information possible" about what his piece could be about or look like before starting it. he wants to eat up all of the detail and color and atmosphere inside of a photograph or live model BECAUSE he feels like his art could always be better for it. he might be right - he probably is.

HOWEVER.

if you wish to paint, draw, rub the paper with your anus or WHATEVER from your own invention entirely - from your stored library of knowledge and hard earned skill - you would be foolish not to study the actual THEORY in art: construction, color schemes, light, white-point balance, composition, etc. you would be a fool not to do that in the first place, but it's gonna be a slowwww and inefficient grind if you do not break down things to a level our puny monkey brains can effectively understand, store, withdraw, and alter to our will.

you'll either be breaking down the world consciously or subconsciously when you're learning - conscious problem solving will always help you learn faster.

your choice, though, really. do what you want - just draw and reach the highest tiers of enlightenment or whatever, it's fun to improve.

>>3909186
No rules, just tools.

>>3909186
try these method, lots of Japanese use this

>>3909216
Your teacher does not look like a happy person. All of his work gives me a feeling like times are so hard that I'm contemplating eating the children. And that is irritating as hell.

>>3909231
can you give some examples?i'm studying hitokaku myself but is hard to find anyone else that uses it too

>>3909246
yeah he's horrifically depressed. guy loves art, though, helps him get through every day it seems.

i guess it's good that it irritates you. to me, most of his stuff is really beautiful. he has a good amount of edgy stuff, but again, he's obviously depressed, i don't blame him. i'm sure his stuff "irritating" you is the last thing he wants, though, that's really interesting to know, thanks for sharing, buddy.

>>3909186
Loomis is just construction though. Are you saying you don't need to learn construction? Okay, then just keep drawing without it. See how far you get. At some point, you'll see your limitations and will want to study. Then maybe Loomis or some other method will make sense.

>>3909186
>are there any other artists who do not care about loomis tier rules?
Most pro animators start with just a couple lines crossing to place the spine and clavicles.
Most caricature artists drop ink without even sketching first.
The retards here will never accept it because what they want is excuses to not make it, not the TOOLS to make it. But there's no rules.

>>3909186
I now that all the rules and construction stuff can seem complex at first, but you'll get the hang of it eventually. I'd suggest backing away from Loomis and trying it another way for now.

>>3909231
This... actually looks like a pretty cool method!

>>3909220
based

>>3909186
>I can never draw correctly and proportionally with these weird rules
just lol. the methods he gives for drawing heads for example are just guidelines to use so that you can ensure that you're drawing a proportional face in correct perspective.

You just don't want to learn because it seems hard and frustrating, and instead you spin your wheels doing crappy doodles while never improving. The definition of NGMI.

>>3909216
>he feels like his art could always be better for using reference

Alex Ross has a similar opinion despite being a comic illustrator. In interviews he's said that references essential in finishing his covers because what you have in your head is never as realistic or truthful to the subject matter as you think it is, and that you can always be learning new things from studying and incorporating your references. He doesn't copy references, but interprets them into his medium. This is something that I've noticed all of the best artists and illustrators do as well.

PS, you're lucky to have had a teacher whose studied with the late great Jeff Jones!

>>3909200
>>3909220
Actually based and Vilppupilled

>>3909261
>See how far you get.
It is IMPOSSIBLE to learn by drawing from observation

>>3909743
Just lol if you're not trolling.

>>3909200
/thread

>>3909753
Are you saying you don't need to learn color theory? Okay, then just keep drawing without it. See how far you get.

>>3909772
Are you saying you can't learn about color by painting from observation?

Do you see how dumb your idea is yet?

>>3909267
Pro animators and caricature artists have been doing the whole drawing thing for years and years and have internalized everything they have practiced and learned over said years to get to the point they can draw practically anything they want right off the bat without the steps.

The point is you have to learn the rules/tools before you can break them

>>3909186
The korean dude is kim jung gi and if you watch any of his lectures/interviews he very much cares about rules and construction, hes just drawn so much that he can do it all in his head and put the finished product on the paper.

If u want to git gud study ur anatomy, color, construction, form, etc. or just be happy with where u are right now.

>>3909186
Loomis a shit, learn with Vilppu or Hust.

>>3909231
>lots of Japanese use this
I bet you can't even name a few

>>3909870
Agree, judging by pro animators only works if you’re a pro animator.

Pro animators studied the fundamentals for years and are beyond them, so of course they can do what they want and break them. These people are lazy /beg/s and cannot.

It’s like telling a poor person “hey, Bill Gates has money, have you ever tried just being rich? You don’t need to do any work that way.”

Some people should use their brain before they comment.

Don’t agree with me and hate the fundamentals? Post your work. It’s not good.

>>3909870
And those artists, particularily the gen x ones, are most likely to not have Learned from Loomis because the internet wasn't yet a thing during their formation and his books had been long out of print because of their lackluster quality.

Loomis is a crutch for people who don't want to make it. The majority of artists learned from observation, and most constructive drawing is personalized. Loomis' method is not anything special, it just happened to be free and easy to get during the early days of p2p.

>>3909186
Have a look at Sinix's videos on youtube

>>3909867
I'm sure the very first thing you did as a beginner was see just how important color theory was and went off to shit up this board with your colorful paint vomit.
>At some point, you'll see your limitations and will want to study.
playtime's over kiddo. stop fucking around drawing from life, it's time to get serious with LOOMIS.

>>3909200
Shut up.

>>3909186
I just kinda drew fanart of what I liked until people stopped calling me shit. I've never even looked at an art "rule book" and my stuff still looks decent enough for people to enjoy it. Do what you like, there's always an audience!! People here are retarded about art anyway so do yourself a favor and don't listen to them.