/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3810369
>book is in Japanese so that must mean they all use it
Bet you have read all books in English too

>>3810371
This

You're a fucking retard op

>>3810373
He might be retarded but he's not wrong. Get rekt weebs, learn some fundies.

Ruan Jia promotes Loomis
I can't find the video but he said it in a Q&A

Roomiso soup

>>3810371
/thread

>>3810377
>he's not wrong
What do you mean?

Rumisu + durawabokusu

Why would you want to learn how to draw generic manga stuff.

>>3810405
better than generic concept art and sci-fi / capeshit.

>>3810373
Get fucked weeb

>>3810422
No, you're absolutely retarded for posting a fucking Scott Robertson book as if that's what contemporary animu idols on Pixiv used to learn. Embodiment of pig westerner /ic/ fundies autism

>>3810392
not him but i think he meant there are some japanese artists who uses these western artist books to learn these techniques instead of just figuring out how to draw good looking anime from the spot.

>>3810428
Of course. There are no super sekrit anime books either. Legit contemporary anime style is something that even many beginner Asians try and fail at.

The only way to learn anime is to observe anime, copy anime, do your own anime and then look at the goal. Correct until you've reached authenticity. It goes for all people but it's a bit harder for us since we didn't grow up in it.

No Loomis/Hampton/Robertson/Vilppu is going to make you draw anime, it's complete bullshit. Reaching an understanding of 3d and the planes of the face will, because when you have those you can simply slap the anime abstractions on your work. You can use Western fundies books or you can do it some other way. This thread is just insecure OP cope

>>3810433
>No Loomis/Hampton/Robertson/Vilppu is going to make you draw anime, it's complete bullshit.
Bit of a strawman anon, no one is saying they use those to learn anime. They do use the same material to improve; the construction and fundementals stand independent of style.
Even the jap learning material is just rehashes of the same concepts.
You say the exact same, so I'm unsure why you (assuming you're the same anon from other posts) are so offended by the claim.

>>3810443
>I'm unsure why you (assuming you're the same anon from other posts) are so offended by the claim.
Because OP is beating his chest saying they're using OUR shit (lmao)

>>3810444
Fair enough, I did admit he was retarded. I'm just arguing that it's the same shit, not "our" shit.

>>3810447
I agree that it's the same shit. Any competent artist knows fundamentals. Most learned it from books. Some from did it mostly from net tutorials and painting studies.

It's just this phrase
>Guess what, they use OUR shit. They use Loomis, Bridgman and all the usual suspects too.
that pisses me off, trying to rope desperate /beg/s into forcing themselves through yawnfest /ic/core books even though they don't necessarily have to in order to reach their goals. Guess I got trolled

>>3810444
What a stupid point to get hung up on kek. You sound like a newfag, maybe that's why you haven't seen the countless threads asking for secret Japanese techniques and secret Japanese fundies books.

>>3810449
>yawnfest /ic/core books
You're just a brainlet weeb fuck. No, Glorious Nippon is not better.

>>3810418
Yes, but by a small margin.

>>3810456
Which ones? There are a bunch asking how 2 draw anime but that issue is not solved by this kind of shit thread. That's a problem with /ic/ being a small board board with seemingly significant turnover; full of underage and newfags in general. Newbies asking newbie questions and people not knowing what sage does (or simply not caring enough to use it). Sticky should have a big chapter dedicated to the anime question so we can ask new posters to follow that, not that it would completely solve the problem but still.

This thread will soon be dead and people will keep asking how to draw anime. Again, just an inferiority complex OP trying to pick a fight with the resident anime posters

>>3810458
Kill yourself.

>>3810369
This thread is bait. Also that's Korean not Japanese.

>>3810471
This post is definitively bait.

>>3810471
馬鹿外人ですね。

>>3810471
I always get a giggle out of retards confidently chattin up shit they know nothing about.

>>3810433
There’s that one that gets spammed in all the art book threads that no one has translated to English yet

Everyone says you can just copy the pictures, but if you read any of the other books you know a good 50-90% of it is actually reading what the guy is saying.

>>3810547
Which book?

>>3810471
it's obviously chinese, idiot. learn fucking sanskrit

>>3810369
Bait thread. Plus all they do is imitate the ones they wanna learn from. In Japan it's not seen as a bad thing.

>>3810369
books are just a shortcut for the smart, if you arent observant, trying to study and formulate things on your own, your fucked. Sure some tutorials will help, and everyone can use some guidance. But I always see these threads on /ic/: how do i do _? how do i acheive this style? if you spent as much time asking and waiting for answers as you did looking for clues you wouldnt be posting...

>>3810627
I've even seen lots of interviews where good japanese artists say that mileage is the most important thing and that people should copy good artists they admire.

And then of course, try to develop your style aside from that, you'll obviously be influenced tho, but that's the point I guess.

>>3810369
they fell for the loomis meme too?
no one is safe.

>>3810369
Is /ic/ ready for a truth bomb? If you don't know your fundies, no anime studio wants you.

>>3810369
WHY DO THEY WASTE TIME TRANSLATING OUR SHITTY BOOKS TO JAPANESE WHEN THEY SHOULD BE TRANSLATING THEIR BOOKS TO ENGLISH
WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY
it's because SUBHUMAN WESTERNERS PIRATE EVERYTHING AND THEY WOULDN'T MAKE ANY MONEY ARGHHHH FUCK YOU WESTERNERS

>>3810444
>they're using OUR shit
they are though

Japanese in general don't know Scott Robertson. I am active on Japanese concept art related twitter circle, most people never heard of half to black etc. I feel like 99% of them come from illustration/ stylized background, they usually have great color sense and do stuff that we relate to Studio Ghibli- it looks great, and has that artsy look to it, not many people are into industrial design look. When they are shown it they are usually surprised by emphasis on perspective accuracy, I was called a "human CG" once, and I was asked multiple times if I use 3D software (because the idea of math approach to perspective and rendering is something they didn't come across before).

>>3811157
based nips

>>3811157
>step 1: draw some balls
>step 2: add lines and shit
>step 3: draw your numbingly dull muscle memory anime faces on top

>>3810965
>our
>muh culture
wtf, you faggots cant speak english, chinese and japanese?

>>3811143
>I am active on Japanese concept art related twitter circle
wut

>>3811180
There is a twitter hashtag that people who participate in concept design challenges use. It was started by one of Japanese concept art studios. Wakatta?

>>3811164
because they ain't using their own guidelines>>3811157

>>3810369
That's a reference made by krens cushart. I wacthed his tutorials and he literally took all his proportions from the loomis book.

Asians are better at explaining things simpler, but americans are the ones with knowldedge...

>>3811184
nice

>>3811268
Can someone clue me in on what the red boxes are supposed to mean? That the proportions from shoulder to crotch stay the same throughout the aging process? It seems to change a bit though.

nips have a special secret that i will unveil right now in this very post!unbelievable!like RIGHT NOW!the absolute madman is about to do it!
is called draw more instead of shitposting on /ic/

>>3811353
Fake news

>>3810552
I don’t know because it’s in Japanese but I have it on my computer so I’ll post the cover in a bit

>>3810369

I mean, anime is even derivative of Disney.

>>3811143

The japanese seem to be big fans of Syd Mead, would you say he is a household name to the younger contemporary nip concept artist too?

>>3811349
tfw brainlet

>>3812006
wrong

>>3810377
I never understood anime/manga artists. Their figure drawing is almost universally shit (stiff, flat, out of proportion, odd or incorrect musculature, etc), yet they're almost always great at perspective drawings, scenery, drapery, line quality, and stylistic flair. I don't know how japs so good at one aspect of drawing, but so shit at another, especially if they're using the same study sources as western comic book artist whose figure drawing is usually master level.

>>3810552
>>3811976
This one, there's a three volumes, if I'm not mistaken.

>>3815357
Introduction to author

>>3815360
Some beginning shit

>>3815361
People tend to like this page

They're all pretty long, and it wouldn't be too hard to try to follow along just using the pictures, but like I said when you don't know what he's saying you miss a lot. There's a bunch of shit Loomis explains on the page that give insight into what he's trying to show you and common mistakes to avoid, heck sometimes the picture isn't even related to what he's explaining, so I can only imagine what all you'd miss by not being able to read any of this.

>>3815357
I'm the guy you originally replied to and yeah I'm doing Hitokaku right now actually, only construction book I can stand so far.

>>3815370
Nice, just following the pictures or can you read moonrunes?

He's got a website, apparently. (I think at least, might be a fan page because I can't read asian.)

http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/%7EZM5S-NKMR/

>>3815022
That's the torso.

>>3815835
I can read it. Bought the one about heads.

I've only read the first chapter so I can't give a real review but I really like it so far. He introduces a very practical (imo) construction model along with anime heads at the very start. With just those tools I've been able to drastically speed up my heads/reduce the amount of noodling with <10 hours of practice, and the heads look less bad than in the past. Later in the book he goes into the individual parts of the heads and it looks really powerful, at least at a glance. I think that somebody who has some drawing experience should be able to make out a lot simply by looking at the diagrams in the first chapter and drawing along.

Read some complaints that his anime designs look old-fashioned and I agree in some cases but it doesn't matter since you can easily use more modern proportions/eye shapes/nose abstractions if you should feel like it. The author is super good at drawing too so that makes it a fun read in its own right.

>>3815892
Nice! Well maybeI’ll try just drawing along with it, I’ve got at least three of the books by him from an art book thread on here, so I’ve got a lot to work with.

I just wish we could get an English translation for it, but I guess unless an anon like yourself who knows the language gets really bored that’ll be a ways off.

>>3815838
What? Yes, I can see it's the torso. What I asked was what the divisions were meant to convey.

>>3816417
You could just hit up scanlation teams with money. Paying people for services is very effective.

>>3816795
I was actually thinking about this but couldn’t remember what they were called. Thanks!

>>3816417
I'm not really fluent enough to do it safely at this point. I might try to translate the first chapter later if nobody else does it, but no guarantees. Or maybe do some kind of summary picture of the first chapter. It'd be really good for the animefags if at least the first chapter was translated. That can't be too expensive if you were to hire a scanlation team either, it's just 32 pages or whatever.

>>3810369
gotta know
whats the step below for this book?
i know about the easy perspective book but are there any others?

>>3819499
Literally just watch a youtube video on 1, 2 and 3 pt perspective and you're good to go on Scott Robertson's book.

>>3819528
really?I always thought you have to be some sort of hardcore veteran of perspective to read scott robertson.

>>3819531
Scott Robertson is the hardcore veteran of perspective. His book is actually simple and straightforward. It just takes a really long time to digest. So, go slow.

>>3816421
The human body is 8-9 heads high, one red box represents one head. Just as the red box is proportional to the size of the head, the size of the torso is proportional to the the size of the person.