/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3774591
Stop drawing anime. Just stop. The sooner you stop is the sooner you can get good.

>>3774591
Good job.

>>3774591
godspeed anon! Many challenges away you but never stop! Never stop!

>>3774594
I draw realism for practice though. Anime is FUN to draw. Suck it crabby baby, I'll draw what I want.

>>3774595
what a great actor. I'd love it if he played Diocletian.

>>3774607

It's clearly holding you back judging from what you posted in the OP. Only trying to help you .

So what?

>>3774591
Anybody can make a manga. A high quality one is a different matter.

>>3774618
It is probably his first manga so it is a it is

>>3774591
Manga is honestly more about composition and sense of speed and impact etc. and less about good art, sure it helps but it's not everything. Look at the OPM web cartoon. That thing has better composition and paneling and everything than most well drawn manga.

>>3774591
you're a legit imbecile

>>3774594
Yes, stop drawing what you want and instead draw what some random anon tell you on /ic/.

>>3774607
You're not drawing anime. You're drawing an imitation of anime.
OPM, since it has been cited, is good despite the bad art not only because of its other qualities, but because the bad art is unassuming. It doesn't try to be something other than what it is : the spontaneous pictural expression of the artist's vision. It being anime is almost involontary, anime is just the cultural soil it grew from.

You on the other hand, are trying to express yourself in a language that is not your mother tongue. That's not a good idea from the start, but furthermore you're attempting to sidestep the difficulty of the task by giving up on expressing "yourself", recycling instead the art of others. And you don't even do that well!

ONE's art fails at being aesthetic but succeeds at bringing out his ideas. Yours fails at those two things... and in addition fails at copying others.

You'll never make it like this.

The most fundamental basis of art is the artist's style. It's not a choice he can make, it's the essence of his creations. One can enrich it by practicing, learning anatomy, techniques, or imitating others, but at the core it is this personal, spontaneous way of getting out your ideas onto a medium that is the core of the art you create. Otherwise it's not art, it's shit.

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>>3774879
God, I hate this board.
Congrats, OP.

>>3774591
What is wrong with her neck?

>>3774591
Nothing spectacular, but conveys action well enough. I am interested where you can go with this. Do you have a blog?

>>3774925
>congratulating yourself
yikes

>>3774591
Fellow aspiring weebfag here
From my limited understanding the most "important" things that make a manga readable are:
>facial anatomy and expressions
>overall anatomy
>ability to convey speed of movements
>"flow" of the panels
>interesting story
What resources do you use to learn OP?

>>3774879
Please tell me this is pasta

>>3774951
She is anime

>>3774972
Nope. I took twenty minutes to write that specifically for OP.

>>3774594
This. People need to realize this simple thing that's keeping them from getting good--you're totally spot on.

why did you say you are now ready to draw manga. you're implying that you were waiting? you were holding back from writing and illustrating a story because you wanted to get to a certain level of skill and you believe this picture youve drawn is that level?

>>3774591
Why do weebs want to do everything the same way as Nips do when they won't like or respect you any more for it? They have enough repetition in their local creative domains so what makes you think that some gaijin doing ersatz anime will stand out? No one's heard of any good manga made by gaijin (incl. webcomics) not because Japan is xenophobic/racist but because you just copy them without expressing yourself and your background. This goes for not only art but story as well, pretty much any anime inspired comic is trash that makes no attempt at being "art" on a literary level.

Go look at the first issues of sailor moon. You could draw turds and start a manga or comic. If that’s what you want to do you don’t need to wait until you’re skilled. That’s just western you have to be God before you do anything thinking. It’s a load of crap. Start doing the thing you actually want to do and don’t waste Year’s hating what you do. You can learn along the way or in in-between times, at the same time, etc.

>>3775065
I guess the Japanese should just stop using bass beats in their music because blacks have that shit on lockdown and doesn't "express" their kkkulture....moron.

They created a good idea so naturally people want to be influenced by their stuff.

just make your manga and come back in a few years and realize it was a waste of time

>>3775080
>the Japanese should just stop using bass beats in their music
>THEIR music
Precisely.
Including good ideas in YOUR art is good.
Trying to replicate some other culture's art is bad.
The japanese certainly should not try to make afroamerican music.

>>3774879
OP here:
lol didn't read

>>3775097
Stop appropriating my culture!

>>3774594
10 bucks says I'm 1000x better than you, and I draw mostly anime.

>>3775097

Arguably modern music is pushed mostly by Afro Americans. I think the Japanese should just stop making music unless they credit black people.

>>3774925
Thank you. I knew there would be people who liked it and hated it, so I'm not bothered by the dickheads. In fact, their salt provides an essential nutrient to my motivation. An adversary.

>>3775108
>thanking yourself
yikes

>>3775102
Gross. My 6 year old niece can copy better than you.

>>3775115
SEETHING

Lmaoing at ur life m8.

>>3775115
>dat jealousy
You're not even subtle about it, lol.

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>>3775101
It's not about credits or cultural appropriation. It's just that imitations, especially accross cultural borders, tend to be worse than the original.

>>3775123
Not being subtle about how bad you are? Yeah.
>>3775121
Try me.

>>3775124

There are plenty of non Japanese who can pull off the style just fine and even better in some cases. Pixiv has just as much awful anime "imitations" as Deviantart.

>>3775080
Retarded comparison, bass beats are one element of a style and can be made by anyone who owns a synth or drum machine. Manga is an inherently and exclusively Japanese medium and style. And you missed my point. Of course you can be influenced by it, the problem is weebs want to copy it 100% and for their work to be indistinguishable from manga, and the flaw in their logic is that manga is a diverse medium where everyone who has any creativity does their own thing, though there will be a certain "Japaneseness" to it due to the author having grown up in Japan. Whenever in interviews where mangaka/writers talk about their influences they mention not just manga/anime and Japanese art but also western art and culture. Influences are global and transcend time, culture, identity, or ideology to any good creator. Weebs are afraid of using manga as a medium to express something unique because they want affirmation and acceptance from the Japanese, so they copy the most overdone commercialism-forced bullshit in manga, even though this only makes the Nips ignore them more.

>>3775134
>bass beats are one element of a style and can be made by anyone who owns a synth or drum machine.
Likewise, anyone with a tablet and sai can create anime given the time. Not reading the rest of your shitpost.

>>3775124
SO, I guess Japan's use of Kanji is worse than than the Chinese use of it.

>>3775137
It's not a shitpost you ADHD zoomer cunt. Read it because I am one of the only 4chan users nowadays that actually cares enough to longpost.

>>3775134
My actual content will have many influences including western ones, it'll just have predominantly manga styling for most of the characters.

Jesus you crabs need to lighten up lmao.

>>3775131
Link me to one good manga done by a westerner. All the ones I saw looked, at best, awkward.

>>3775142
I'm >>3775102

Ignore these retards. Just keep drawing, and following what you wanna do. You still have room to improve, but don't let that discourage you. That said, the WORST thing you can do is waste your time on here, arguing with morons to justify your dreams. Just DO. You'll learn along the way.

The only times you should ever come into /ic/ is to laugh and mock the idiots who wanna put people down by flaunting how much better you are than them because you didn't waste your time on here but instead spent it drawing. I legit only come here like 1-2x a year to read what's up, or just taunt idiots like >>3774594
>>3775126 who say stupid shit.

You're free to pursue whatever dream you like, just bear in mind, it won't be easy, no sir. So do yourself a favor, and get out of here. Take it from me, I used to argue with these morons too, until I learned to stop, and just focused on improving. You'll see the gains, you'll see the followings increase. Just learn to develop a self-critical eye, and how to analyze the work of others to break down what they do, how, and implement that into your work.

One final thing, there is a bit of truth to the "don't do anime" meme. Except it's not "don't do anime" that's retarded. It's "Don't do ONLY anime." You need to focus on just on realism and studies, but also on a broad range of styles from across different cultures in order to craft your own personalized style that's unique. Learn to draw and paint anything and everything effortlessly. Draw and paint a lot, every day. It gets easier with time, trust me. Good luck anon.

>>3775134
I speed read it.


What you said here
>just manga/anime and Japanese art but also western art and culture.
We're talking about the group of people who think France is still this white paradise and love culture. Japanese are so closed off they see America as a hamburger hotdog 50s lifestyle still. Their view of our "culture" (if we even have one) is still seen through rose tinted glasses. Now I'm a non-white so that makes it even worse when you really don't have a culture but have to latch onto pop culture to identify with.

Point is who gives a shit.

>>3775155
>replying to yourself

yuck

>>3775155
Thank you, I plan on doing that. I want to get good at as many techniques and styles as possible while drawing what I like still. I do draw from life quite a bit in my practicing.

>>3775102
this is bad, anon.

>>3775102
No way /ic/ will ever admit that something looks even remotely good.

>>3775177
He (you) is literally copying Grand Blue, newfag.

>>3775178
>muh samefag meme
>muh newfag meme
Kill yourself
And 90% if CyGames artists are just copying Akihiko Yoshida, so i guess they also suck?
Also it's Gran Blue.

>>3775097
ummm the japanese love and make jamaican dancehall music

>>3775108
>their salt provides an essential nutrient to my motivation. An adversary.
cringe

>>3775178
>>3775176
POST YOUR WORK
>b-but i don't have to waaah

>>3775179
My phone corrected me and was too lazy to backspace the correct spelling. Anyway (you) suck.

Go for it! Ignore these crabs.

I do think you should do it with pen and ink though

>>3775198
You do know the post count did not go above 26 yet, right samefag?

>>3774591
I believe in you anon, follow your dream I know you can do it.

>>3774925
Just no. Look, I'm >>3774615
What would happen if every anon made a thread for him/herself just to write their little diary? What's the purpose of this thread? To say "congrats, OP"? Way to go.

I'd say work on making better hair but other than that you're decent enough

>>3775203
Agreed. OP is making a manga? Cool. Making a thread about it instead of posting it in the generals? Not so cool.

>>3775189
Not even pyw. I'll straight up challenge him to a draw off.

5 poses, 30 mins. Drawings HAVE to be from imagination. You have to livestream it too. I already do stuff like that daily. I can draw pretty much anything from imagination in like 30 seconds flat. The extra 4.5 mins would go into making it look really nice. No way some salty crab will have a chance against me, I'm a hired professional.

why does everyone want to do manga anyway?
also that's still pretty simplistic, even for manga

>>3775212
Believe it or not but 4chan used to be known as a futaba based imageboard for western nerds and anime nerds

>>3775211
>>3775155
No offense but you sound like a friend of mine who talks like his life is set in an battle shounen.

>>3775212
I'm doing it cause I got tons of ideas and stories and original concepts that I want to express. Dunno about everyone else.

That said, I'm not being stupid about it, I'm going balls deep. Moving to Japan in March, already speak Japanese at an intermediate level. I'll continue to improve, and pitch my work/finished tankobons to publishers over there to get published. Even if that takes a while, I got other skills that will keep me with a livable income while I work on that on the side. Plus, as my art skills improve, I'll have the chance to find other work within the game industry and such. And the added competition + available resources will allow me to improve even more than if I stayed competing in the dying western market.

I've already got the job, now I'm just waiting to be approved for the work visa.

>>3775215
I didn't mean it like that. what i meant was, why does everyone want to specifically draw manga and not just be a illustrator? manga outside of japan never really has success, plus you can't make a good make out of just good art, you still need everything else

>>3775211
I'm in. When you gonna host the hangout?

>>3775220
Now.

>>3775220
In fact you wait your ass right here I'm gonna set up a hangout stream right now.

6pm on the dot get your ass in here.

>>3775065
they probably want to draw something that they enjoy

>>3775224
...okay? info would be helpful?

>>3775219
In that case I personally believe it's more confirmation bias and the fact that drawing "manga" as a foreigner is close to a pipe dream depending on definitions. I do simple illustrations and don't most people on /ic/ actually? I mean, it's not like we have a serialized works thread of any sort.

>>3775228
>drawing "manga" as a foreigner is close to a pipe dream depending on definitions.
... which would mean that a higher percentage of aspirants make threads to vent about it? is what I meant to also type

>>3775227
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73D-c-NP-og

join

>>3775231
I'm sorry but 6pm at what time zone

>>3775234
6pm right now

cmon lets go

>>3775235
https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/ytl/zFdZXlPct4IfNELQT3jNdRnHrkOXH7YUHy47k7CwpSo=?hl=en_US&authuser=2

>>3775238

Yeah okay that's right bitch. Don't join. Less you get your teeth kicked in.

>>3775240
Ended the stream. Don't waste my valuable time talking shit and then not showing up to the fight.

>>3775240
I'm in, you literally left the moment I entered.

https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/3soevrm6hbdl5dzgsqpigowp7ae

>>3775240
The great /ic/ showdown lasted a whole 6 minutes and ended with someone vacuum cleaning

>>3775243
Lol, bullll-shit! THE moment I get in, you pussy out. At least fess up and admit you got cold feet and ran away when you saw me get in.

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this is too hilarious holy shit

>>3775102
I like this. Will you link me to your blog so I can follow you, and maybe even talk to you? I'm a beginner. How long have you been doing this?

>>3775256
this should become new ic tradition
along with pyw

>>3774594
>stop drawing what I don't like
sure nigger

>>3775250
>12:09
>I'm here let's go
>12:10
>stream ended, he didn't show, don't waste my time not showing up

Sure checks out, kek.

>>3775261
That would honestly be amazing. Spontaneous /ic/ showdowns where they actually follow through with it.

>>3774591
Looks alright but stop using that airbrush so much, it's really bad. It's a tad stiff, some of the styling is clashing but it could pass for a manga, try it out see how it goes

>>3775108
This sounds exactly like one of those edgy anime lines when someone tries to be cool... So i guess you are in the right path!! Go on anon, dont let your dreams be de
dreams!

>>3774879
Anime is not a style, it's a medium. It's not even a real word. It's a derivative of Japanese adopting the english word for animation. They took the concept of cartoons from America so if anything the word originally referred to American cartoons but they use it to refer to animated shows no matter where they come from. The only thing that makes it not anime is it not being animated. The word manga refers to comics. Not Japanese comics. Comics. A marvel comic is a manga just like a book is a "hon" in Japan. It's just their word for the medium.
Japanese-styled cartoons and comics are another thing. It's like becoming an Impressionist, a Baroque artist, a Dadaist, etc. All you have to do to be an artist of that style is follow the trappings of the style. Not be born where it originated or anything else. If you're following a style you're an artist of that style, period.

>>3775065
Adam Warren's career started in Japan because Japanese liked his take on Japanese style comics. He wasn't having success in America but when he went there he got famous. He's still working in the industry right now today. I agree that I think people should let their own style come into it, but I disagree that doing so makes it not real anime or manga. It's just as valid as if a Japanese person drew manga with a western influence which many have. For a westerner to draw Japanese style comics with a western influence is exactly the same, and there are some who have done it, so you can't say there are no good western manga artists.

What the fuck happen to /ic/? Op start drawing your manga now. You can always go back and redraw pages. You will get better faster starting it now.

>>3775134
>Manga is an inherently and exclusively Japanese medium and style
Except for the part where they took the concept of comics and cartoons from Western cultures and anime was 100% inspired by Disney. And the fact that even the Japanese themselves use the words anime and manga to refer to comics and cartoons from other countries. But otherwise yeah, super exclusive.

>>3775605
The edge of my writing style cuts harder than that of the 1000 folded Japanese samurai sword.

>>3775606
well thats pretty long winded but mostly correct, clearly theres a large difference between comics and manga's style and also creative differences but yeah pretty much right

>>3775231
Wait, youtube has some kind of multi-broadcaster streaming platform now??

>>3774591
OP you can call it “manga” all you like, but no Japanese manga artist will ever take you seriously, and the american comics industry doesn’t favor solo authors, so you’re pretty much fucked.

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>>3775264
lmao wtf

>>3774591
this looks bad op

>>3774591
There is a reason why people leave /ic/ after they get good anon.

>>3775134
Good post, too good for 4channel though.

>>3775102
pretty decent but why the hell her thighs so long

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>>3774591
>that hand
sure anon, sure

>>3775639
>anime 100% inspired by disney
This is a total meme, the only significant figure influenced by Disney was Tezuka, because he was a boomer that grew up with it, and some other creators that were then influenced by him, like Miyazaki. It isn't relevant to the state of manga/anime today or in the last 2 decades, where the millenials that were raised on anime/manga/J-vidya from their adolescence are in charge of the creative force in the industry, and neglects to account for all the domestic movements and trends that took place after manga/anime was established as a discrete art form. Even if heavily inspired by western media, there is always in common that the works are a Japanese appropriation because the culture that shapes your perspective is inescapable.
>anime and manga to refer to comics and cartoons
The terms are used here in the west to refer to animation/comics coming from Japan, specifically because it is distinct from our western analogues. Even if /co/ is also referred to as such in Japanese, from the Japanocentric POV the terms are dominantly associated with Their anime/manga.
>>3775615
He wasn't published in any Japanese magazines so it's not manga, even though the style resembles it.
>can't say there are no good western manga artists.
There are none (that aren't literal who), and until a miracle happens and a foreigner "makes it" in the industry, by making something that gets as popular and prominent as HxH/Jojo/MHA, manga won't be a global medium. I know there are unironic weebs that moved to Japan, learned the language, and memed themselves into the industry, but otaku, the main consumers, do not give a fuck about them.

>>3775743
hangouts was a thing for at least 5 years now

>>3775606
You're partially right but you ignore the fact that the term anime on /ic/ has a different meaning than in Japan. Here it does refer to a style and not to animated cartoons.

As for being an artist of a style, ok if you want. Tough I want now to argue that it mixes up that cultural backgrounds (japanese or western style, american or european style...) is different from artistic movements (Dadaism, Impressionism) by being much more interiorized.
But regardless I expect what we all want is to be *good* artists of this or that style, which implies more than trying to follow the trappings of it.
And I can teel at a glance from his drawing that OP is not japanese, so I guess he missed some things and does not belong to that style.

>>3775606
You're partially right but you ignore the fact that the term anime on /ic/ has a different meaning than in Japan. Here it does refer to a style and not to animated cartoons.

As for being an artist of a style, ok if you want. Tough I want now to argue that cultural backgrounds (japanese or western style, american or european style...) are different from artistic movements (Dadaism, Impressionism) by being much more interiorized and that we should not mix up the two.
But regardless I expect what we all want is to be *good* artists of this or that style, which implies more than trying to follow the trappings of it.
And I can tell at a glance from his drawing that OP is not japanese, so I guess he missed some things and does not belong to that style.

>>3775865
This needs to be a thing

>>3776028
it was a while ago like last year maybe. nosebro gesture battled some guy one time for sure.

>>3775605
I had this massive weeb friend in college who always tried to act like an anime protagonist. When he was confused, he would go "are are??", and when expressing shock, he would go "eeeeeeeeeeh??". I don't like using the word, but it was the definition of cringe.

>>3775108
AAHAHAHA OH NONONO NO

>>3774879
Spot fucking on

>>3774591
the face is cute, and the pose of the body is rather expressive, however the anatomy suffers, and it seems some real life studies would help. doesn't have to be anything fancy, just 15 minutes or so of an outdoor scene, or a photo or something. the end result isn't important as long as you're thinking about how to improve both your studies, and also this art through your studies.

>>3776105
im an "is always trying to learn how to draw, or learn how to how to draw" anime protagonist tho

>>3776105
What is this cute gif from?

>>3774591
It looks good, but its anime so its not saying much. Keep working on something better

>>3776548
>It looks good

>>3774925
You don’t go a to a critique board expecting to get headpats. You wanted to turn this into a circlejerk and it doesnt work that way.

>>3776552
>/ic/
>critique board
kek, anyone coming here for proper critique is not only retarded, but also masochistic.

>>3774607
Some tries to help him. Insults them.
Good job anon, your a faggot.

>>3774925
Go to reddit if you want some baseless complements.

Hey OP.
Let me address a couple of things.
First of all, I really am against the common mentality of "it's over" on this board. However, even though there are some people hating for who knows what reason, they are coming from a place of trying to help. While do I agree that you can't fully get better by drawing purely anime style alone (as the mangaka themselves had rigorous art backrounds, putting hours into the fundamentals), that doesn't mean you can't draw with that style. It means you can't ONLY draw in that style. The human brain is simple, the more you do something, the more efficient you get. Don't let lack of skills hold you back from working on your story. Make your story, and when you naturally reach your limits of ability, note what's holding you back (anatomy, light, prospective etc.) And spend hours hammering and honing those skills in a classic, (non anime) format. As other people said, manga and comics aren't only about the illustration, but the movement, compesition, etc. Read up on "understanding comics" and some of Will eisner's books, as well as critically analyzing your favorite manga and comics. Good luck anon, I believe in you.

>>3775115
Mad fucking jelly, keep being a butthurt crab

>>3776638

You wanna go, nigga? Let's go.

>>3775176
You have no fucking clue what you are talking about. Stop being a NGMI crab. This guy is clearly better than you since you wont post your own art (Cause you know you'll be made fun of and told how much of an idiot you are). deal with being a scrub and grow up you dunce.

>>3776642
Why is this kid responding to all of these slightly non-positive posts all of a sudden?

>>3776643
Cause this thread is full of pussies like yourself who talk up a big game, but can't back up shit.

>>3776645

I think I'm going to sit this one out and have you release your anger some other way.

>>3776565
its okay if youre not a fucking moron and learn to distinguish critique from shitposting

As >>3774879, after all, I decided to give it a go, post my take on [a girl with big tits jumping to smash a volleyball] and let OP tell me it's shit.

Now what I'm working on improving is realistic portraits and I never seriously practiced gestures and anatomy.
But I think the result is better than OP's and that it's due to me trying to draw, in my own natural style, the image just as it appeared in my own imagination.

>>3774591
The expression isn't very good. The eyes don't match the eyebrows and mouth.

>>3776033
Weve done maybe 10 gesture battles, 5 gesture friendships.

>>3774607
big yikes

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>>3774591
you are that boomer who just start drawing for a year?

>>3775606
isn't anime a french word? and it comes from latin. and animation is an american invention. so whoever thinks anime is some pure art form needs to get fucked.

>>3774607
That picture isn't good, bro. Learn more fundamentals.

>>3775102
Don't fall for this bait.
do you really think a conversation with people who go on IC to tell people anime isn't art are worth your time?
either way she cute, got a twitter, pleya?

>>3775102
Pretty bland and uninspired. Still /beg/-tier. Come back after grinding for another year or so.

>>3777334
yep

>>3775102
>copying granblue
>thinking he's better than anyone
Into the trash you go, bro

>>3774618
>Any actual nip can make a manga. A high quality one is a different matter.

fix'd

>>3777451
>copy a successful and appealing style
>hurrdurr u succ
This is your brain on /ic/.

>>3777476
Ngmi

>>3775606
Even in Japan they refer to the style as anime more often than calling it manga style, or rather they don't use any term for it since it's the default style everyone draws in anyway

>They took the concept of cartoons from America
keep telling yourself that burger. tl originated in Europe but has no meaning really since Japan was on it pretty much since the birth of the medium called animation, and created and evolved it in it's own way. Even a brainlet would notice the vast difference between animation from Japan compared to those from other countries, and that's referring to the past 50 years min.

>but they use it to refer to animated shows no matter where they come from.
No, they call anime anime. If they watch a western cartoon they don't call it anime ofc, but cartoon or an slang-tier abbreviation for it.

>The word manga refers to comics. Not Japanese comics. Comics. A marvel comic is a manga just like a book is a "hon" in Japan. It's just their word for the medium.
fuck no are you dense? They literally call manga "manga" when pointing at it or speaking about it. They literally call comic "comik" when pointing at or speaking about it, which is rare since nobody reads that shit anyway.

>Not be born where it originated or anything else. If you're following a style you're an artist of that style, period.
Everyone can try to imitate a style, but that's that, you're merely trying to create a cheap copy and will never be able to create the real thing. Or why do you think that westerners who practiced drawing in anime style for 20 years still can't create a genuine anime aesthetic. Just accept it, nips are absorbing all that knowledge and visual information since before they are even born, it's part of their culture and genetics. So no, you are definitely not.

No wonder nips don't take the west seriously, educate yourself you absolute pseudo-artist retard. Some poor faggot might fall for your misinformation and start spouting the same nonsense online

>>3774591
>My art is getting to the point where I feel like I can legit begin work on my manga.

Fuck you, my favorite manga started when the artist was legit shittier than most /ic/ /beg/'s

Japan Comic industry is so fucking large that there are magazines there that allows mediocre artists to get published.

By the way this comic's artist also made the Robert Johnson manga and the Prison School manga.

>>3777522
>Or why do you think that westerners who practiced drawing in anime style for 20 years still can't create a genuine anime aesthetic.
I can't even think of a single westerner who's tried this.

Also, there are examples of westerners good enough to work on anime. See: BahiJD.

The only retard here is you: a weeaboo so far up his own ass he thinks it's impossible for westerners to draw in an authentic anime style, and ignoring any examples that prove him otherwise.

Neck yourself.

>>3774591
If you feel you've gotten to that point to try professionally good luck. Don't forget to carry on learning and working on your basics from time to time.

>>3774591
Go on, make your manga. It will be probably as mediocre as your drawings, but you learn from your failures. So, keep it up and don’t forget to keep practicing the fundamentals

>for those faggots who are unironically thinking that western cartoons are considered anime in Japan

Absolute BTFO western pigs lmao

>>3777716
Real translation would be that she doesn't watch anime or read manga but she does know what One Piece is however. Don't post pics like that if you don't know what it actually says.

It's a stupid discussion anyway

>>3774879
Finally someone who explains the problem with the eternal weeb

>>3775101
This isn't about some retarded leftie bullshit, it's about authenticity. Trying to imitate "anime" is kinda like trying to write a japanese poem even though you never lived there and only know about it through tv/internet. Why would anyone care for an imitation if you can have the real deal? Funnily enough japs are the only one who are able to pull that off. When ever a japanese artist takes on European stories and ideas it always turns out to be fucking kino.

>>3775134
/thread

>>3777820
Your weeb is showing

>>3777820
You are legitimately braindead.

>>3777826
>seething weeb
Give it up, nigga. You literally can't out nip the nips

>>3777846
Watch me.

I'll be back in one year. March 2020. And imma call you out as I post my manga. No more shitposting. I'm just gonna prove you wrong by DOing.

>>3778129

>>3777451
So you are saying there are billions of unique styles out there.
Even Granblue is just Akihiko Yoshida copy + 20% more weeb

>>3778143
Stop copying, you are too shit to get away with your not!Granblue "artstyle"

>>3778136
Again,

見ってくれ。

I speak Japanese, and I'm moving to Japan in 2 months. Not only will I have access to resources and the like exclusive to nips, but also, I'll have the opportunity to constantly present my work to publishers over there, and recieve feedback from them, as well as the means to recieve feedback on my work from actual Japs in forums, rather than retarded weebs on /ic/ who think they know better.

Other westerners have already been published in Japanese magazines, now I just gotta make something good enough to at least get a cult following. My art is already better than 90% of published manga, and I'll have the capacity to viral my work in the west whilst having it published in Japan, giving me an edge of authenticity over the meager "western mangaka" competition over here. Plus, competing in the Japanese market will also push my skills further than if I were to settle for being western exclusive.

Again. I leave in 2 months. March 2020. Watch me.

>>3778241
/rp/

>>3777826
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class at FZD School of Design, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret concept art jobs at Hollywood, I have over 300 featured images on CA. I am trained in PS filters and I’m the top illustrator in the entire US art scene. You are nothing to me but just another blob of color. I will smudge you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of art directors and your IP is being traced right now you better prepare for the storm. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your art career. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can photobash you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in oils, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the Photoshop texture brushes and I will use them to their full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price. I will shit lens flares all over you and you will drown in them. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

>>3778145
He's not me, and shut up. Reason it looks like Granblue is cause it's supposed to. It's for a cheap gacha game me and my brother are making to cash in on.

It's an appealing style, and I'm mostly looking to make money. Worst comes to worst, now I've got strong portfolio pieces in the form of:

Game Design Doc
Assets
A playable Game
Wireframes
Flowcharts
Art
Animated Sprites
UI work
Environments
Concept Art
etc...

to show a mobile studio for a job. You think mobile studio wouldn't hire someone proactive enough to ship their own game, create all the assets for it, AND successfully imitate the artstyle of one of the most profitable mobile games in Japan? Really?

Meanwhile, what do you have to show for all your grandstanding critique? Exactly. Put up or shut up bitch.

>>3778255
I draw better animu then you, kid. Step off your high horse.

>>3778256
No you don't.

>>3778256
pyw

>>3778255
this shit's hilarious because you're writing it all on /ic/ man
no matter what's going to happen those are utterly empty words, and no matter what you say it'll be laughable because so many anons have come before and said some variant of the same thing, but to this day none, none delivered on their promises. you really sound insecure as fuck, as if trying to prove yourself to everyone even though you're on a shitty anonymous critique board. come back when you've made it and only then, people here will reluctantly respect your accomplisment, if that's what you're looking for.

>>3778256
post your work

>>3774591
>>3775102

i envy you anon.i stopped drawing anime years ago cause i hated that i could not get better but somehow you made it even when i said fuck it, dropped it and tried realistic. reading your thread made me wanna try it for 1 more day for old times and i had fun drawing for once

>>3778255
>adding a cheap knock off of an already existing artstyle/game into your portfolio
>assuming anyone would be impressed by "illustration" so mundane and obviously stolen
wew, there are literally 16 year olds who do already better Granblue OC donut steal fanart, mate

>>3778269
soul
>>3775102
soulless

>>3778269
Cute drawing anon. Keep drawing some every day and you'll get good sooner than you realize.

>>3778266
Or, I could just not come back, because who the fuck would want the "reluctant" respect from a bunch of cynical weeaboos with no drive nor ambition. Let's be real here, 99% of you, especially those being cynical of others, are never going to accomplish anything in life, nor get any decent at art. Is it really that much of an accompanist to gain the respect of a bunch of self-hating losers? Maybe I just came here cause I'm bored and I wanted to blow off some steam? Maybe I don't want your approval at all, maybe I just wanted to brag about how much better I am than you to rub it in your face, rile you up, before disappearing into anonymity again and fucking off for another year or so because there is nothing you can do to stop me, and seeing you seethe with incredulousness, disbelief, and jealousy not only amuses me, but also motivates me to go even further beyond.

Maybe you should consider the possibility that I just don't like you, and in all likelihood I probably hate you.

Just putting it out there.

Now seethe harder my boy.

>>3778272
>stolen
You got a single fact to back that up?

>>3778278
>Maybe I don't want your approval at all, maybe I just wanted to brag about how much better I am than you to rub it in your face, rile you up, before disappearing into anonymity again and fucking off for another year or so because there is nothing you can do to stop me, and seeing you seethe with incredulousness, disbelief, and jealousy not only amuses me, but also motivates me to go even further beyond.
please tell me you're larping I can't take it

>>3778272
You wouldn't be this jealous of his work if you actually bothered to draw...

>>3778278
Lol your Granblue shit is bad my dude. Cut the anime shit out and learn to really draw before you waste your 365 days to prove jack all. Let me give you a reality check:

There are 14 year old girls on deviantart RIGHT NOW who draw and paint better than your shitty copy. Go flip through some sites and refresh where you stand.

>>3778278
>getting this upset because people made fun of his low tier animu art

>>3778283
Why would I be larping? I'm years ahead of you, and already better than you'll ever be in all likelihood, but please, feel free to prove me wrong by posting your work.

>>3778278
Kek
Imagine being this fucking insecure

>>3778278

>>3778287
This girl is 17 and already has cute shit better than yours. Wake up and smell the roses, kid.

>>3778287
Sorry son, but I'm not seeing any work getting posted. I'm just seeing a seething d/ic/klet making excuses for his own incompetence.

I don't care what 14 yo girls on dA can do, I care about you proving to me you're actually better than me, go on. Show me or shut up.

>>3778297
unironically better than OP

>>3778278
please come back man, I love you
can you come back the exact same day, next year? I swear ill mark it on the calendar

>>3778297
>this is what dicklet weebs on /ic/ think is good art
HAHAHAHSHAHAHAHA

With taste that shit, I can't wait to see your work. Go on... amuse me.

>>3778285
>>3778278
>>3778255
>>3778291
>>3778297
>>3778299
Okay, that's it. This has to be ironic shitposting. Nobody is that much of an mental manlet

>>3778304
Taste? I just grabbed the image at random to prove a point that you're bad, kid.

>>3778303
March 30th 2020.

I'll have 5 different manga one shots to present.

>>3778306
All you proved is how underdeveloped your eye is bucko.

>>3778304
>Go on... amuse me.

>>3778312
Sure is a lot of work not getting posted around here...

Why are you insecure if you're so good anon?

>>3778307
Gotcha bro. Don't forget.
Memes aside, I'm still rooting for you. I hope you'll have something good to show the board. So that your shit will match your ego. Godspeed.

>>3778312
>still no post of his work
hmmm...

>>3778305
I don't even think it's the same guy desu, I'm just here for the fun.

>>3778310
My eyes are well adjusted. Yours however...

>>3778319
>he said, while not posting his work

This is truly a high quality thread. It's threads like these that get me rock hard.

>>3778321
check me out on dad.gallery

>this thread
>all this shit flinging
>no u!
>shitposting everywhere
>nobody posting work
Stay stupid /ic/.

I bet not a single person will have posted their work by the time this thread hits bump limit.

>>3778275
>>3778273
fuck me mate. you made me happy even if it was a lie and my art is shit

>>3778275
>>3778353
Not even memeing. If you take pleasure in it, you should stick with it, it'll make you naturally draw more even if it stays shit for months.
Don't let your dreams be memes anon. Art should be fun, shouldn't it?

>>3778353
The sooner you disconnect yourself from your work the better. Don't get attached to your work unless you're looking for mood swings.
>>3778363
You are a terrible person for outright lying to them if you really cared you'd stop sugar coating it and tell them the honest truth. Now because of you they're all giddy and primed for a heartache.

>>3778366
We can disagree anon. I'm as free as sharing my experiences with another anon as you are. I won't call you a terrible person for projecting your jaded views of art onto someone else.

>>3778379
Your hugbox mentality will not help anyone, snowflake.

>>3778381
How is that sugarcoating? Stop being a crab. I never said it looked good, I just think it's cute and endearing. I think the correct approach for this anon would be to keep drawing whatever he wants to draw, and balance this "fun" with Loomis and fundies. He said,
>i had fun drawing for once
None should feel that way. Art shouldn't be a mindless, awful grind, none should "disconnect themselves from their work", it'd stop being art, it'd be soulless. merc_wip happens when you disconnect yourself from your art, and you know that.

Balancing the two is the key.

>>3776731
Yours isn't a universally "better" result than OP's. It adheres to reality more but that can be either good or bad depending upon what's called for. Yours lacks tension, depth, and expression, which the scene calls for and I'd say OP's captures these better despite the drawing flaws. Telling the story doesn't require the art to be realistic or cartoony so it being more realistic doesn't make it serve the purpose better.
But I don't want to pick on you too much because I partly agree with you. I don't think people should chase the specter of authenticity. I believe if they want to draw anime they should, and they should focus on craftsmanship and embrace how their unique version looks rather than see any signs of their western background as a detractor. And I wish people would be more varied, always sticking to the moe style misses many benefits of drawing anime imo.

>>3778439
Well I admit the more I look at it the more /beg/ it seems to me.
But the faults you mention are not problems to be fixed. Like you said, nothing is universally good or bad. Rather, good art happens when the artist, his creation and his audience fit together.

Equally good artists are not interchangeable.
To give an example, Hergé could not have made Dragon Ball and Toriyama Tintin. And the same goes for bad artists.

When I picture such a scene and character I just don't see exaggerated tension and expressions. It's not my language, I would say, I don't spontaneously imagine the world like this.
And (putting practice aside) if such a scene calls for such a style, then I should not force it and instead draw something that fits me better.

As for realism, I agree that it doesn't matter. I didn't go for a realistic depiction in my drawing, I went for the amount of stylization that feels best to me.

We all should chase for this : not the style we like most, but the style that is most natural to us.
Not everyone can make a good sports manga.

>>3774591
Sorry, this ain't it chief. You seriously need to work on the fundamentals i.e proportions, anatomy and foreshortening. I can gaurentee you your favourite manga artists did the same thing before they created their works.

>>3774595
Why do you suppose I hurled a chair at your head OP?

>>3778439
Did you just draw this? It's super good. Can I have a blog or something else?

>>3775102
Finally someone posting draws and not only telling shit.

>>3779119
Still talking to yourself, Eh Op?

>>3778439
Hey there, OP here, good post. I'm glad you see my approach was to emphasis the speed and intensity of the situation. I only drew a moe girl because I've been in the mood to do such a thing. I'm mostly focused on craftsmanship but I'm still very early in the learning process so I'm trying to absorb styles I like right now.

Nice drawing yourself btw. I like it.

>>3779084
The Granblue guy isn't OP, are you stupid or just blind? Their difference in skill is self-evident.

teenage girls draw better “authentic” anime than you faggots because they just draw rather than crabbing.
japanese artists draw shitty anime too. go on pixiv and actually browse for once and you’ll find shit on there by japs that look like imitation garbage anime. stop fucking crying and learn from that.

>>3774591
Tomboy, long hair, snaggletooth, /fit/ , and good size tilts = best girl

>>3778897
See pic. I had a lot to say and didn't want to split it into 3 posts and have to wait for captcha to refresh every time. It's all good-natured, I promise, and I hope other people read it too because it's really more about things I see overlooked here a lot than directed at you specifically.
>>3779106
Thank you. It's not so good, I accidentally drew 6 fingers on her left hand, lol. I'm kind of between blogs since tumblr went full fucktard so I don't really have a place to send you right now, sorry.
>>3779159
Thank you, and I hope you don't think I was calling you out for drawing moe, I don't think it's a bad thing. It just seems to be what I mostly see around here and what a lot of what people seem to give as examples of the kind of "authentic" anime they're trying to draw, and I just saw it as an opportunity to remind people anime has a lot of variety in it and has other strengths besides looking pretty, like FLCL and Studio Trigger stuff.

>>3775102
who goes on a board dedicated to the struggle to improve and says lol im better than you

>>3774879
I spontaneously and involuntarily draw anime though.

>>3775265
I wish someone would gesture challenge me just for fun

>>3779270
Oh god, this. I swear every time I'm looking for porn on pixiv is like I'm browsing deviantart.

>>3774850
the problem is what is "anime" style
my point is don't try to learn styles, learn from artists

Also I just want to point out there _are_ non Japanese people out there making incredible anime work that personally I don't think anyone would be able to tell wasn't from Japan without being told. Again I don't think anyone should obsess over whether their art can "pass" but it is possible.

>>3779181
I was referencing the movie Whiplash as he showed a screenshot of it moron.

>>3779181
The fuck does Terence Fletcher from Whiplash have to do with Granblue?? The fuck are you even talking about?

>>3780152
>>3780159
It was meant for >>3779122

>>3779270
This. Far too many people on here fetishize Japanese people as being far superior at drawing when in reality there are plenty who are just as dogshit at it as us filthy westerners.

>>3779691
>who goes on an art board dedicated to the struggle to improve and tries to discourage and berate people for trying
Ftfy

I'd much rather actual artfags show off their work and brag, if anything to scare away the nodraw cunts constantly spamming ngmi or "you'll never draw anime cause you're not Japaneeeese." Seriously, fuck those guys.

>>3780279
Seriously, good artists should post all the time just so idiot bad kids get btfo.

The problem is, even great artists take offense to idiots trashing their work. Which is bullshit as well. It's not an easy solution thing.

>>3781223
There's also the problem that a lot of the people who have art that shows some skill aren't usually the type of people to get into dick waving contests over it. Some might not care that much and some just might not think they're good enough to speak up so boldly.
I'm willing to do it like I did in this thread, but since I don't usually write very aggressive sounding posts I almost never get called on to pmw and until this thread I don't think I've ever decided to just post work without waiting to be called to. It hadn't really occurred to me and I bet other people think similarly.

>>3775606
This is a good post.

>>3776731
i really like your little sketch anon, good job

>>3774591
if that's your art, then I'm afraid you are suffering from dunning kruger syndrome.

>>3782184
You can't just spew dunning kruger without posting your own work, chap.

>>3776731
Your art is better than OP on a technical level but his is more appealing. With more practice, I'd immediately choose his over yours.

>>3782188
>Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people of low ability have illusory superiority and mistakenly assess their cognitive ability as greater than it is.
There's the definition for you.

>>3782194
I partially agree with you, but on a fundamental level. The importance of a good style is key, something that takes as much work to build as the fundies themselves, and that's something d/ic/ks always seem to ignore.

>>3782188
except I can.

>>3782184
you are the sufferer

>>3774595

>there are people who still haven't outgrow their "anime" phase
Holy fuck, literally never gonna make it. Also, anyone over the age of 10, who still talks about becoming a mangaka is a fucking embarrassment to humanity and should off themself.

>>3785754
pyw

>>3785759
u first???

>>3775102
>too scared to do midtones and shadows

LOL also lineweights

>>3785760
Already did.

>>3785784
Maybe it's unfinished. You ever consider that?

>>3785800
> generic animu knock off
Case proven I guess

The sheer amount of ngmi in this thread is palpable. Get the fuck off /ic/ and practice practice practice you crab niggers.

>>3785924
pyw

c'mon!

>>3774591
Why does she look like an inkling boy

>>3775102
That is decent but not that far from the OP art

>>3776647
when you get owned online

>>3786523
You need to do a better job at hiding your jealousy.

That's miles apart from the OP art. The linework is much cleaner, and much more consistent. The construction and anatomy are also far stronger, the stylization is also much better. She actually looks appealing, which is something /ic/ always seems to get wrong when it comes to stylization. Despite being such a simple pose, it shows a lot more confidence, purely from how clean all the linework is. The two are years apart in terms of skill, and if you can't see that, then so are you.

>>3786637
t. Granblue knockoff

>>3786639
t. jealous crab

>>3786643
Keep practicing and maybe one day you'll match up to the average pixiv user. Make sure you don't tell them you're a filthy gaijin.

>>3786652
We're reaching dangerous levels of sodium with this post.

Maybe you should take your own advice anon, maybe then you wouldn't be seething at people being so much better than you.

>>3786666
>implying
Weebshit isn't worth getting 'jealous' over, kek

>>3786667
But it's worth coming from out of nowhere to leave a negging comment on?

>>3786808
Anime haters are all jealous because they know deep down that it's got extreme appeal at it's core and their favorite style does not.

>>3786813
It was appealing when I was 13, my brain has since developed.

>>3786860
>my brain has since developed.
Well, clearly that was an unfinished endeavor. Might wanna get on that m8.

>>3786666
>the not!granblue guy is still sperging out because people don't like bad copies
Holy fuck, it's been almost a week, how can you have such a fragile ego? People don't dig your shit, so what?

>>3786813
Anime is great. Weebs who want to draw 'manga' are not tho

>>3786929
>>3786929
You know what's worse than that though? Weebs who think westerners can't draw manga cause they're not Japanese, and elitist /co/mblrinas with a hateboner for all things Japanese.

The level of autism someone must have to function like that is insane.

>>3775218
Ilya, your spring rolls are ready!! Haha

>>3776731
good sketch anon

>>3774591
Nice, OP! Just start your manga then!

Don't ever wait until you feel
>good enough

There are so many aspects to comics beside the quality, you might as well learn them by practicing drawing actual pages. I've seen comics with incredibly high level art that fell conpletly flat, because they were not paying attention to the page layout and writing.

Give life to those characters of you, OP!
Good luck~

>>3787222
Solid advice

>>3775606
>it's like becoming an impressionist
>is follow the trappings of that style

This.
Some anime hating crab on /ic/ telling you to learn realistic anatomy and loomis and western art fundies before drawing anime is like a classical realist painter telling an aspiring impressionist he must first learn to draw in the "correct" classic realist style before he can "break down" reality into the dots and dashes and abstractions and break the rules in the impressionist style.

This is made all the more relevant for the fact that the Impressionists themselves were inspired by Japanese ukiyo-e artwork and wanted to copy them, and to do that they just followed the trappings of the style too, for some just the composition/posing, others the linework and colors.

>>3787222
This, many manga artists refine their style and improve their designs and characters over the course of the manga, like the Hanebado! mangaka, Tsutomu Nihei and Blame! also come to mind.

>>3788007
This is false equivalence you fucking retard, most of the impressionists had far superior grasp of fundamentals even as beginners compared to grant majority of /ic/.

>>3788058
>false equivalance
Not really, I bet you there were Impressionists who didn't study realism and went straight to Impressionism, following the trappings of the style and producing work that looked like Impressionist style, because it has totally different rules from classical realism.

I'm not saying they didn't have an understanding of fundies but that they didn't follow the realist rules and had no need for them, they would just hold them back, painting a tree in a realist style vs. impressionist style is quite different, and knowledge of the former does not help with the latter when all the basic fundies of color theory, light and shadow and everything were already learned.

In the same way studying and learning to draw the human head in correct realistic anatomical form will not help you to draw the anime head in its correct form, with its own rules and trappings of the style see >>3788042 the only useful part to learn from loomis is the "loomis head" for construction.

>>3774591
>volleyball manga

I recommend studying the great masters and their work. Start with Harukana Receive

>>3788085
Impressionism was literally about going out of the atelier and drawing the world as they saw it. Even second generation impressionists who hadn't had the classical art training of likes of Monet were always studying from nature, trying to capture the essence of a scene. They weren't interested in highly rendered realism, but they were very well minding the fundamentals of form, light and color. Some of them took inspiration from Japanese woodcuts, but it's a fallacy to think they sat at home copying anime - Impressionism was literally all about getting your ass out there and see the world how it is. Impresionism is, at it's core, simplified realism, and as such needs the same level of understanding.

>>3788823
>Some of them took inspiration from Japanese woodcuts
Yes, even copying them see Mary Cassatt >>3788007

>but it's a fallacy to think they sat at home copying anime
Not anime but ukiyo-e, that's exactly what they did

And in order to do that they had to adjust to the style, and most probably couldn't just go to Japan so they just had to make do with the ukiyo-e they had in their collections to figure out how to copy and reproduce the style, some obviously had an impressionist flair to it but others tried to more closely emulate the style directly.

Not saying that their prior knowledge in basic fundamentals didn't help but their knowledge of hyper-realism and rendering wasn't going to get them drawing ukiyo-e as it had none of those elements, that's where I came up with the modern day comparison of loomis and anime on /ic/

The only way for weebs to make it is to get into nsfw comissions. Since shit like that works just fine with their shallow and meaningless artsyle

>>3775959
Your delusional and retarded. A dirty weeb that deserves to be laughed at for worshiping a culture that scoffs at your very existence

>>3788728
>>3788729
>>3788730
>>3788732
>>3788733
>>3788734
>>3788736
>>3788739
Needs more loomis

>>3786860
Your brain developed into a turd it sounds like.

>>3787222
OP here, thank you!! I'm already working on it... appreciate the positive sentiment fren!

>>3789723
>a culture that scoffs at your very existence
White guy living in Japan here... that hasn't been my experience. Quite the opposite in fact.

>>3788730
>>3789725

Nah senpai, that buldge seems more then perfectly fine to me, as long as there's a dick involved

>>3789873
P U F F Y ( ) V U L V A

>>3775102
B A S E D
armor dresses are the best anon
keep up the good werk

>>3775102
Her face feels flat. You couldn't do shadows or anything? The real thing that bugs me is your lack of line weight.

>>3774987
You could've practiced more with that time. Smhtbh faem

>>3775097
You better at least be European if you're speaking English so inconsiderately, bigot.

>>3775187
>their salt provides an essential nutrient to my motivation. An adversary.
>cringe
yikes

>>3774879

your entire model of reality was shaped by french communists in the 60s

you are a defective human being, forever torn from reality

your only silver lining is that you are not alone

>>3774594
>>3776577
>>3777332
anime site, this board sucks balls and is full of hacks

>>3774591
Is this ttorrr?