/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

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How do you gesture draw a really stiff and boring standing-up-straight pose? Where the main gesture line is just a straight vertical line.

>>3745448
Curve it and change where they're putting their weight.

>>3745455
So basically change the pose? Not sure I'm high IQ enough to "edit" the pose in my mind, but I'll try.

>>3745456
As long as they're not doing something crazy with their arms and legs I think it's do-able with /beg/'s like us.

If you don't want to do that, add wrapping lines across the body. Upper torso has a curve bulging upwards, anything below the bellybutton will bulge down.

>>3745456
You do not have radically change the pose just a tiny bit.
Look at how grandpa Vilppu does it he evens say he doesn1t hesitate to change the pose a bit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOtVUHgJqQk

How do I stop feeling so terrible when I draw and it doesn't look good?

>>3745517
Jack off, and then try again.

>>3745518
I've tried drawing when extremely horny and just after jacking off and I still feel awful.

>>3745517
Stop and come back to it later. If it still looks like shit, then redraw it. If you're working digitally, lower the opacity and go over it on another layer trying to correct what you feel is wrong. It'll still be shit but it's going to be better than the first one. Can you post some of your stuff?

>>3745517
Cultivate that feeling. Keep it close. Grow it. It's the only thing that can move you forward.

Finished my first still life painting the other night.

>>3745517
You need to be less hard on yourself and be a bit more realistic with your expectations. Success is achieved in the long run tell yourself it is just one drawing and there will be countless more in the future. Your current one is just one from the many so it is okay to be bad.

Finally good/bad is subjective your judgement is heavily biased and it is only our own opinion, it is not subjective.

>>3745527
I have no "stuff" because I'm still a beginner. I feel awful even trying to draw figures in photos or boxes or trying to do perspective. It's disgusting everything I make is bad. I miss when I was young and ignorant and just copying anime pics.

I downloaded Hampton's Analytical Figure Drawing class. The homework for the first week is 100 gesture drawings, 50% real life and 50% old master paintings. I have access to a lot of paintings and human reference photos but Im confused, do I do one gesture drawing per photo? Or something like 5 per photo?

>>3745522
Have you tried cumming twice?

>>3745540
The most important thing about drawing (or really anything) is enjoying doing it. If you're not enjoying it then you have to ask yourself if it's really for you. If you want to draw then you're gonna just have to suck it up and keep trying. Don't compare yourself to people who are far better. They've been shit just like you are and they felt the same way. They just put in the effort needed to get better.
Go copy some anime shit if that's what you like. Just keep drawing.

>>3745555
Quads confirm best strat.

>>3745308

You're studying Mark Crilley anime aren't you?

>>3745540
Keep your drawings stupidly clear and simple.

>>3745540
i am a beginner still but when i was a day 1 beginner i downloaded an anime art book from /ic/ and shamelessly traced and copied anime characters i thought were cute from it. i did this every day for multiple hours for a few weeks. i did as many different autistic things as possible trying to analyze what artists were doing. i went to peoples pixiv accounts to look at their WIPs and begged ic artists to post their WIPs to see their construction process (artists hate to do this not sure if its insecurity or trade secrets). i created an image of a circle that i made in gimp that was bisected in both directions at different measurements like 1/2 and 1/3, 2/3 etc and overlayed it on top of tons of anime charactrers heads to see where the artist would place eyes and mouths relative to other features and the skull

i tried drawing mannequin like figures overlayed on top of other artists anime characters (with the original artwork set to a low opacity), reducing the trunk and pelvis to boxes and limbs into cylinders, so i could study the proportions of anime characters i thought were cute

i did this because it was more entertaining to me than reading loomis or keys to drawing or other entry level art books. these books are valuable, i dont dispute that. but it was so demoralizing to do their exercises and fail over and over and even when i produced something i was okay with, it didnt feel rewarding

but if i realized i could practice drawing anime characters heads over and over and when i finally drew something that looked cute it was very rewarding. so i did this entire process for a while. it used to take me 30 minutes to place eyes in the correct spot for an anime character but now i can do it basically instantly.

all of this also gave me practice using a tablet. ive now decided to seriously try learning academically and have moved on to hampton video lectures because i honestly cannot learn from a textbook my brain refuses to pay attention

>>3745597
Can I see some of you work?

>>3745606
Heres a picture describing what I did to 'study' in my own makeshift way

As for art I drew myself recently I really prefer not to post any because theres always someone lurking whos having a bad day and takes out their impotent rage on /beg/s in the /beg/ thread

Threadly reminder to not go full retard and grind boxes. You learn the most when leaving your comfort zone.

is there any way to remove mistakes if i'm drawing with a liner?

how to maek face features extra 3D? Recommended brush settings? I use CSP.

>>3745685
The best part about using liner is you can't make mistakes.
Liners are the DARK SOULS of art, if you will.
It will force you to git gud.

>>3745441

I know my mistakes already , just posting here to feel like I contributed to this thread

>>3745697
Have them not pointing straight at the viewer.

>>3745764
Colour wise? I'm kinda spooked with using darker colour cuz it either dosen't look right or the skin become muddy.

Does anyone here have recommendations for goal setting as a beginner? Is it better to focus on perspective with tools like drawabox and How To Draw, or focus on anatomy with stuff like loomis?

>>3745778
From what I've been told, that's not how it works.
You start by doing everything but in basic forms, so instead of learning the entire anatomy and the entirety of perspective, you start with basic anatomy, basic perspective, and then move on to the advanced parts of the fundamentals.
Don't get your knowledge from one source either, read multiple books and watch a lot of tutorial videos.
A good goal to set for yourself is to try and draw everyday, how long doesn't matter as long as you just do it once a day.

There are no set goals in the long run, just take the learning experience at a pace you're comfortable with.

>>3745775
No, form wise. Your problem is not with colour, brushes or strokes (though your colours and values suck). You just don't draw 3D objects.

Turn the head at an angle to the viewer so that we will see it partially from the side. The classical 3/4 view will work.

>>3745778
Make your goals achievable.
Read 2 pages of perspective made easy a day.

https://archive.org/details/PerspectiveMadeEasy/page/n15

>>3745778
>draw a line>draw this line in perspective>gesture>understanding anatomy

i just go to the next step when i can't draw that wrong also rate my plan

>>3745805
this is awesome

>>3745441
Should I just continue building off the sketch or should I continue with the lineart? Also, some help with anatomy would be great

>>3745610
Why do you care about what some random crab thinks? Also, what makes you think that a definite zero critique is better than some possible good critique?

>>3745827
I didn't really express myself clearly.

I have nothing to post because I have not drawn anything worth critiquing or really that can be critiqued since all Ive done up until very very recently was symbol draw. But thats changing as I dip my toe into hampton and some vilppu and start drawing gestures. Which I might post later when I get access to my PC/tablet.

What are some other good super beginner excercises like the ones in the Dynamic Sketching video in the google doc? Y'know, to practice just drawing lines really well and such.

I swurr to gurr in not a furr

i've been doing some figure drawing sketches lately, only through youtube tho since im fucking broke to actually go to a real session. Question is does it really improve your drawing skills.

>>3745823
its better to build off of your sketch since the line weight on your lineart is pretty bad.
Try varying thickness of lines on where you want the viewer to focus on like the head or the boobs

I'm trying to copy this art style becaue I love how it looks but everything I have done so far seems off and looks like garbage. What do ?

>>3746142
Perspective and texture.

Perspective to make the houses actually stand on the same ground and have reasonable size compared to each other.

And texture to get the same feel. On the left the roads are not just gray. They are gray over green with some opacity. Same goes for all the other parts - there are multiple colours on each roof and so on. You also try to blend them together too much - original is much more rough.

not really sure what this is supposed to be

:(

How does one move on to painting when one's happy with their progress in drawing? Couldn't find anything paint related in the sticky.

Beginner here that really wants to know where to learn the “fundies”. I’ve been interested to draw for years but never really had the time since school was my priority and I am not that rich (from Brazil). I was gifted by my mother an iPad and an apple pencil and I’ve been drawing since last month.

I only eyeball the stuff so I only draw the lines I think I see but I really want to learn how to deconstruct things and soon draw comics!

Thank you in advance and I’ll try my best to improve and show it to you guys one day.

Going through How to draw and am currently trying to do a spiral staircase but I notice my ellipse is kind of funky. Any advice for doing this since Scott uses a tool for drawing his ellipses? It seems everytime I try one of these vids his angles for these drawings are a lot better and mine come off just bizarrely placed. I'm using Krita and just doing the line tool while holding shift to keep to the 90 degrees rule of perspectives.

1/2

>>3746355
2/2

>>3746310
>I am not that rich
>mom gives an iPad

BURRO PRA CARALHO PUTA QUE PARIU

No idea if my foreshortening is fine

Is there any gestures that show breasts & butt? I want to practice gestures & poses with females in really abstract ways.

If there is any, please give a resource or image. Some of the pose resources in the w/ic/i are hard to navigate.

>>3746374
what foreshortening? not being a dick you drew the whole thing with almost no perspective

>>3746378
The right hand and left leg are bigger lmao

>>3746358
:(

>>3746379
It just looks like you've fucked up the proportions, like with the rest of the drawing. There's no foreshortening going on, man. If you can't see all of these much larger mistakes, you're never gonna make it.

>>3746386
OK then redline whats wrong with the drawing here's the pose I was using.

>>3746389
The left arm looks a little short, and the way you drew the breasts on your drawing look NOTHING like how they're represented here

>>3746394
K I slightly modified it

>>3746232
It doesn't really look ugly. It has a lot of charm, if nothing else

>>3746411
Other than the awful airbrush, which I'm just experimenting with, what should I change or what should I look into? I think my head-shape is pretty bad and a little exaggerated, I'm not too bothered by my arms, but I think my hands could use some work, and the torso too. Anything that I'm missing or opinions?

>>3746379
sorry im not very good at explaining so this might not be very clear but here are some ideas to play with

>>3746354
Of course I fuck up and don't post the pic. Here is a redo I did, I only just realized krita does not like doing straight lines while holding shift sometimes so the horizon is odd but whatever it still gave me a point to keep going from. Does this look correct for a four step spiral staircase or did I fuck up somewhere in there? I can't get quite the same ellipse as Scott did but this is the closest I could get to.

>>3746423
wow that's actually very helpful ty ill call you teal line guy v2 :)

>>3746427
lol teal was a nice dude thanks, i'm Greissle

>>3746418
this is good. i want to nail her vagina with my erected giant cock. is this inappropriate?

>>3746401
You have kind of... twisted her torso so much that I'd believe she's dead.

Anyway, fixing just the boob won't really cut it. You should go over and use simple 3d shapes and anatomy to understand how the reference pose works. Judging by the straight-up vertical tie I believe we got a perspective problem.

Go ahead and start learning by drawing simple 3d stuff like balls, cylinders, cubes at an angle n' stuff. Then pick up Loomi's and start thinking about human bodies.

Anon above me gave solid stuff.

>>3746401
Anon...you didn't improve it at all. It's ok to draw things that are bad, but if you can't tell how badly off the mark you are of your reference then you'll never improve.

>>3746401
I don't want to write you off and say you're not going to make it, but I'm also unsure if this is a prank, I apologize...

To begin, although you modified the direction of the breasts, the collar does not follow the torso and is leaning on the left breast -- which is completely wrong needless to say.
The legs & shoes are fine for your level.

Your character's facial expression isn't necessarily offensive, but it also doesn't follow perspective. It's completely neutral with no sense of direction despite the face/head in your body outline to be face tilted towards our left.

Because the body is generally tilted left, the left arm should show more than the right and be slightly longer while-as the right arm is slightly obscured with some perspective needed on the angle of the elbow and arm.

>>3746418
Cute drawing. Looks good. I like the skin tone and the hair.

>>3746430
I thank you for the complement. :D

>>3746433
Yeah I really should have studied perspective first, I'll see you all in 1-2 weeks.

pt1

>>3746458
pt2

>>3745441
tried to focus on shapes and values in this

>>3746458
pt3/ random sketch page
any thoughts/advice/crit

>>3746358
secondando esse anão
in brazil people need to sell their mom to buy these new iPads, imagine receiving one as a gift

>>3746425
Now I see where I fucked up I wound up skippping one of the sections of the circle and wound up just making a step two pies big rather than just one. Fuck me drawing so many lines caused me to lose where I was going to.

what should i learn to be able to draw thicc anime tiddies. any fundamental practice ?

Now i'm following Mikeymegamega channel, i think his tutorial series is good but lack in progression. Like only tips and trick.

After have done the 'basic series' (shape,shading,perspective), i followed his tips tutorial and drawed 2 on the left, on the right is what i try to do by myself.

should i come back to practice the basic series ( but i don't know when to move on from basic stuff ) , or keep copying his tips and tricks ?

>>3746504

>>3746505
thanks , i said 'anime tiddies' but what i actually mean is 'thicc anime girl' in general lol

>>3746508
npnp, at worst i thought it might help a little with the body type in your pic. best advice is just look at thicc girls and draw them or study your fav thicc girl art

Would I get anything meaningful from learning how to color, if I'm not really interested in making colored drawings? Like, would it teach me about shading better or anything? Or, if I'm not interested, should I just ignore it.

>>3746522
learn values

>>3746555
By that, do you mean "You'll learn values better if you color", or "If you learn values well, you'll have learnt all you would otherwise get from color"

>>3746560
>would it teach me about shading better
learn values

>>3746561
>would it teach me about shading better or anything
I wasn't specifically looking for a way to learn shading, I was just using that as an example of something that it could potentially teach me, hence the "or anything" at the end. Yes, I already intend to learn values, so I'll ask my previous question once more.

By that, do you mean "You'll learn values better if you color", or "If you learn values well, you'll have learnt all you would otherwise get from color"

>>3746570
the second option
now go learn values

>>3746583
Sure thing, babe.

>>3746588
gmi

frazetta study

>>3746592

hahaha this sucks.

>>3746593
I'll try again tomorrow

>>3746423
>Post relatively sophisticated work with several minor errors and novice technique
>No critiques, no feedback

>Post visually mangled super-beginner character and receive quality criticisms and helpful visual guides

Any glaring mistakes?
Mega lopunny vs mega medicham if you're wondering.

>>3745441
I DREW COCKATRICES

>>3746611
i can't read what is going on

>>3746612
Not beg cuck

>>3746616
Will probably be better with color, but lopunny is roundhouse kicking and medicham is blocking with 2 of his paper arm things.

>>3746605
Might be because your work was too bland, or nobody noticed the mistakes. Anime is very noticable.

>>3746605
uhhh yeah? that's how it should be, the worst ones are the ones that need the most help, isnt that the whole point?

>>3746593
Thanks for being such a great help to the /beg/ Anon. I bet he's really going to improve from that. The entire board thanks you for your expert critique.

>>3745441
any tips?

>>3745443
*gives up*

I'm just starting character design and I need input on facial proportions :)

>>3746648
good. i hope he does, i hope they improve and stay dedicated. im just being honest.

I just to be a good "artist" as a kid. Is it worth picking that hobby up or just leaving it? Seems you need a school to draw properly...

>>3746592
I think you have the right idea when it comes to the values in the environment. It looks unfinished, but not baseless. However I think the figure and the cloth in front of her lack distinct values, and the come across as messy. In general I think you have trouble distinguishing the most important areas/values should be included in the early stages of a painting. In other word, you jump to certain details too early and it makes the painting read less clearly (and become stiffer and flatter when it comes to the end product). I think you should focus on how you simplify objects. Also, make sure you notice where edges should be hard and where they should be soft.
Also, this is a bit of a nitpick, but I can't tell what's going on with her legs.

>>3746659
They look fine, pretty tasteful. cute but fits in with western illustration styles. It would be good to see a more finished and/or some fullbody work though.

>>3746695
do you know WLOP ? His art look amazing and he's a self-taught artist.
As a programmer, i strongly believe that every master is a self-taught master. Do you think hacker is a good hacker because he go to school ?

I can make biblical stuff like apparently this is Noah’s ark? Please tell me I’m shit...

>>3745626
I remember that show

>>3746711
You could call this "art" but I wouldn't be calling it Noah's ark.

I'll shade another day.
This is my first piece I've made since like months of drills. Quite proud of it.

>>3746770
Looks good dood

Hey, I've been drawing for the past 52 days and primarily following this course, "Anatomy and Figure Drawing for Beginners" that my artist friend recommended to me. I feel like it's been going REALLY well so far, but almost too well??? Like, is this some kind of cheating?

I understand that I'm not really practicing shading/values/color or whatever. I am just worried, I hope I am 'learning' the right way or whatever. Sorry if this isn't really a question. This is just the random page I have been working on throughout the day practicing neck muscles from the lessons and stuff. I know it's not that accurate.

>>3745443
>>3746656
Could be worse anon.

>>3746702
Hey, thanks for the crit man. I pushed it a bit further using your advice as a guide.

>>3746777
Thank you.

I need to do full art studies

>>3745885

If you're only drawing figures and not applying what you learn from the poses in your work, then it's a relatively meaningless exercise beyond perhaps serving as a warmup.

>>3746789
m8
wat

>>3746848
I draw plenty of stuff by myself if that's what you mean. Like I use what I am learning about anatomy and proportions and poses and shit to draw stuff from my mind. I am not just blindly following this course and drawing what they draw if that's what you mean.

gonna finish up and color the awp, any c&c before i finish this?

>>3746789
You didn't even try though

>Learning the fundamentals on the internet - at least for free - is actually surprisingly challenging. The information is strewn about, and a lot of people have different ideas of what the fundamentals are. Many of the resources that do exist also tend to take a path similar to most fine arts oriented schools, focusing heavily on "just draw what you see, and keep doing it until it clicks".
/ic/ btfo

>>3746863
Obviously truth, but source?

>>3746853

That's the right approach then. Figure drawing is certainly abstract, but I think the main emphases are to:

>provide you frameworks for poses and composition
>loosen up the character in question (no rigid soldier stances)
>quicken your early stages of construction by working from big to small in increasingly refined steps

>>3746310
>Brazil
>we'll be getting a new firez

New firez please go.

>>3746650
Read the sticky and start from the beginning. Keys to Drawing would be really good for you.

Does anyone have that book order recommendation? It is an image of a bunch of books on a shelf

>>3746895
this?

pls critique please.

i pianted me nan, how to maek her less corpse like?

>>3746906
yes, thanks!

>>3746913
Old people are corpses anon.

>>3747097
My grandma is old, and she is indeed a corpse as of 7 months ago, so this checks out.

>>3746374
Her back looks broken as her check is fully facing us, but the behind is to the side. The curve should be more subtle.

>>3746386
No. They will make it, that just need time to train their eye. Stop being a negative Nancy.

>>3746592
Good start on laying out the shapes, general composition and values. Now start refining!

>>3745441
Trying to follow this tutorial in the sticky:

http://www.artgraphica.net/free-art-lessons/free-art-tutorials/drawing-eyes-tutorial.htm

And I have a few questions, specifically what are

>graphite powder
>layers of tone
>tooth of paper
>kneaded eraser
>shop towel
>paper stump

Is there a glossary somewhere so I can learn all the drawing terms I'll come across? Or a list of all the tools I'll need? Just want to learn how to do realistic pencil sketches for now.

>>3747231
If you want to do realistic pencil sketches when do you want all this shit?

You need pencils from 2H to 6-8B and a good eraser. Maybe a kneaded eraser - you can buy it in art shops and even in some office shops - it's just an eraser that can be kneaded into a shape and keeps it.

>>3746656
wtf dude this looks good

>>3747231
The thing is there's a gorillion different ways to make a realistic sketch, but I can understand your confusion.
Alot of the stuff you can buy is optional and will depend on your style, your style will develop naturally as you git gud.

The only tools I'd say you NEED are a ruler, sharpener and a kneaded eraser.
Kneaded erasers can be molded into a fine point for precision erasing.

As for pencils, go watch a video on graphite pencil types and learn what all the Hs and Bs mean, then grab what tskes your fancy.

Which type of brush is most suitable to paint hair? Round dosen't work for me like in teh pic

>>3747308
Dude you should use multiple brushes for everything to make things varied. There is no "one brush" for this and that.

I feel like im just throwing shit on a character and calling it shading. Any advice? Thank you in advance

I've been trying out various pencils from different brands and I'm torn between what to use.

Staedtler feels cheap and low quality but that makes it great for me as a beginner.
Faber Castell is probably what I'll use when I get better since I don't want to waste them on drawing exercises.
Derwent has these awesome THICC sketching pencils that feel really nice to hold and the shading is insane especially with the water soluble ones, but shit's expensive.

So what do you guys use? Do you stick with one brand or use a mix?

>>3747317
First things first
>pick the main light source and direction
>using that as your information add the shading and highlights
> find a bounced light direction, usually this is the opposite of the main light if your character in a non-specific environment but it is influenced by the objects around him/her
>add a second (or third or fourth) light source in a way to make the shape of the figure easier to read. In television, film and photography this is done by sideways rim light.

>>3747328
Thank you, I'll save this

I'm seriously too fucking dumb or ADHD or whatever to read these long dry books and retain the information in my dopamine starved cortex.

Surely there is a better way?

>>3747317
good gesture. and also good example of how gesture and anatomy is more important than rendering

It's really not a good idea to draw 1 thing per day, is it?

Why are visual arts diaries so much cheaper than sketch pads? Do they use different paper or something? Is it worth buying a sketchpad instead? 50 page sketchpad is $8 but a 150 page visual arts diary is $3.

>>3747343
mix it up with things that actually interest you. Also try Proko or ctrl paint or any video courses. they're much more engaging than textbooks imo

>>3747381
Literally just use A4 printer paper

I feel like stuff like this isn't helping.My values are improving and my underdrawings are getting more accurate but it all still looks like shit.

WHY DO ALL MY FIGURE DRAWINGS LOOK LIKE A 6 YEAR OLD MADE THEM OUT OF CRAYOLA AIR DRY CLAY AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH I HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE WHAT IM DOING
thank you for reading my post

>>3747397
it is not shit Anon you are just being too hard on yourself keep at it

>>3747417
it's okay Anon we know those FEELZ

>>3747417
Post them and I'll tell you why

>>3747433
he was just venting

work in progress hope i can get something out of it

Hi all. I wonder why i dont finish my sketches. I bought some wacom tablet and i try to make myself comfortable with it. But even as i consider my drawings as a decent ones i just dont end them Here some of my scriblles i did minute ago (sorry for many mistakes in text but i dont give a fuck)

>>3747472
Here some of my more finished sketch, But it is also undone

>>3747457
the eye area looks crispy! I hope the rest will be as good as the eye area.

>>3747381
What the fuck are you trying to buy? I buy "sketchbooks" with 60 pages for like 1.5$. That's more than enough. And I take them over simple A4 printer paper only cause they have a nice hard carton backing.

>>3747433
It was just a vent post honestly but here's one of the "better" ones I made w/ the original photo to compare
Did it in ~10.5 mins

>>3747433

>>3747558
tell me why ain't nothin but a NGMI

Hello, I'm garbage, but I want to get better.
1/2

>>3747593
2/2
Only reason I'm posting this is because a large part of me likes what I did and I don't want to beat myself up about not being perfect at something I barely know the basics of.

>>3747593
>>3747596
What is your goal anon?

>>3747597
I don't know exactly, but I've been checking out the sticky and I think I'd really like to understand how to not "draw in symbols". It seems like the first step and it's always bothered me that I'm unable to express myself on paper, so...yeah.

>>3747601
>I'm unable to express myself on paper
Elaborate what you mean by this. Do you mean you can't put down what is in your head?

>how to not "draw in symbols".
This is half a meme really there is no clear line between what is an isn't symbol drawing mostly it should be "realistic". What it means that instead of drawing something the way it is in 3D using light and construction ideas you draw it as you think it should look like just using lines like you would complete a connect the dots game. That is the best way I could put it but I am sure other anons will have other definitions to it.

One could also say Egyptian art is symbol drawing because they do not use realism, they face most things towards the viewer the eyes and chest always look towards the viewer while the skull is always shown in profile etc. Yet it accepted as art.

>>3747630
>Do you mean you can't put down what is in your head?
Exactly. It's frustrating to not be able to communicate an idea and I have lots of fucking ideas constantly rattling around in my head. I also have no hobby besides gaming and I'd like to do something more productive with my time.

>>3747647
I stopped trying to "get rid of symbol drawing" and simply went with an approach of making my symbols more complex. There's a method of framing that can set you off on a self-destructive path.

I find it useful to think of myself drawing complex symbols when drawing realistically and then going backwards and simplifying the symbols when I want a more stylized cartoon/anime look.

>>3747558
>>3747433
PLEASE TELL ME WHY!

Hips, hips. Hips! Hips?

>>3747558
>>3747679
nigga dont pretend to be me

>>3747688
Fuck you nigger! I need more help than you!

>>3747705
Looks like an ironic T-shirt design. Not bad.

aside from proportional/accuracy issues what did I mess up on?

I time limited myself to an hour since I take fucking forever to do things

>>3747741
Im fucking stupid

aside from proportional/accuracy issues what did I mess up on?

I time limited myself to an hour since I take fucking forever to do things

Is there a faster way to render? I usually put in dark shadows first but it makes the inclusion of midtones a pain in the ass

>>3747743
Nothing major, all I see is a lack of thinking about the planes which leads to confusion about when to use hard edges and when to use soft edges, what is effected by bounce or reflective lighting etc.

The rest can be attributed to not being refined.

>>3747680
niceu anon,
where did you get the references?

>>3747548
ngmi

>>3747759
Thanks, you're super right, only after reading this did I notice why i failed super hard on the reflected bit of the big shadow on the arm

>>3747659
Anon, you are going to make it if you haven't already.

>>3745441

>>3747785
Can I get some actual advice and not a ngmi meme pls.

>>3747548
NGMI

>>3747802
That hurts Anon.

>>3747798
Sounds like more memeing but (in case oyu haven't yet)gesture drawing is the what I would suggest for you Anon, grandpa Vilppu is /ic/'s popular choice as a teacher for that. Grind gesture drawings for awhile, use the quickposes website for reference as you did already and do like 1-2 minutes studies without worrying of the end result..

Here is a short and quick demonstartion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOtVUHgJqQk

>>3747498
thx man i ll work and see how it turns

Alright done.
I need to work a bit more on the gesture, the kick doesn't have as much impact as it should.

>>3747824
You should've worked on the gesture earlier, anon.
Lineart and colouring are great, but everything is incredibly still, as if everything is perfectly in balance.
There has to be some lack of balance if you're drawing a fight, in my opinion.

Can someone tell me if it is ok to skip to the tutorials of Keys to Drawing? Will I be missing something if i don't read all the book?

>>3747878
It's probably one of the better books for absolute beginners.

>>3747354
I tried

>>3747905

I made dis
Pls rate frens

>>3747905
>>3747910
>>3747354
Blog?

>>3747878
you won't "skip" anything, this book starts from fundamentals, although it teaches "visual" approach to drawing rather than "academic" with boxes and stuff

>>3745885
what youtube vids are you watching, if you don't mind sharing?

>>3745531

I want paint stuff like this, looks fun, but I think I will end my drawing course first.
Also, perspective haunts me to the point of study it every time I commute or have time to draw.

I'm a 32 yo guy and I'm really enjoying learning how draw. Every single improvement makes me happy.

>>3747514
I can't find any hardcover un-ruled books for less than 7 dollars, and they have less than 60 pages, and shit paper.

it is worth using these?

has anyone bought thebridgeman human machine book? I was thinking of buying it because the pdf has awful reproductions of the art, and not everything can be made out. Amazon reviews of the physical book had some people with similar coments. anybody know?

>>3748129
give me your mindset pls

i drew this

and this

>>3748288
Social media?

Gesture and avoiding short lines, is this a good place to start?

>>3748288
CUUUUUUUUUTEEEEE

>>3748324
I did gestures starting out as well, but I believe they don't teach beginners what they need to learn.
Find art you like or just portraits of people and try to 1 for 1 copy it, take as much time as you want. This will teach you a lot more than gestures in my opinion.

I keep going into video games looking for things to draw bc I have nowhere to go irl that I can sit down and just draw, but I just end up playing the game normally.

Obviously, this tactic is just turning out to be a huge waste of time.

I wish I knew what real art students were doing in their classes. I want to do the projects they're doing, because I have no fucking idea how to teach myself, and "just draw," isn't enough. I don't need motivation, I need guidance. I feel so lost, like I have no direction, no clear path of any kind to getting good. I feel like all I'll ever be is semi-competent sometimes, because I can't see the steps I need to take to move forward.

I have the time, and I have the desire to work my fucking ass off to become a successful artist, but it's so hard for me to come up with personal projects when there's still so little that I actually know how to draw. Ah... Fuck me a hundred times over.

I will make it. That's a promise. I just... Don't know how. I just don't fucking know.

>>3748292
>>3748332
Look at the undermeme fags with no standards
Very shocking

>>3748349
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRD1UfPid58
this video really help me when i was at the same mindset as you

Trying to get better at drawing emotions, and better at drawing animals, so I drew this happy dog.

>>3745799
>>3745803
>>3745805
Thanks anons. I tried my hand at understanding gesture by watching How to Draw Gesture by Proko. Am I doing these right?

>>3748381
Sorry if the lines are a little shaky I used my mouse to draw them and I have zero experience with that.

>>3748385
I have no idea what I'm doing desu

>>3748381
It'd be more like this.

>>3748386
Thumbnail reads fine but finishing stuff is so hard.

>>3748441
What is the source material for this?

>>3746789
>>3746851
>>3746861
Ok, I took extra time on this one, my phone actually registered a face for what that's worth.

>>3748361
Go fuck yourself in the ass with a taser babes UwU

>>3748450
Not too bad! Have you read keys to drawing yet? Id suggest you start there as well as trying to take longer strokes in your art.
Dont give up keep trying.

>>3748463
Thanks mister, no I haven't yet I'll try and pick it up

>>3748288
leave beg.

Tried shading in a new way for me and it turned out still bad but better than usual I think

>>3748344
You should use construction when copying, yeah?

Not yet cleaned up. Need advice. Oil painting

>>3746804
Damn this already looks way better than the other one. Keep it up anon.

>>3748482
Sure, but if you do so, you need to understand perspective of the fundamental shapes.
Draw a box drills aren't bad for that, they're pretty much the only thing that you should take from that site.

>>3747283
cause he traced

>>3748483
Another I need pointers on. Thanks. Oil canvas

>>3748493

>>3743898 here again

I look through random imgur images for good poses to look at, still trying to get proper anatomy. Again, not factoring in line depth and shit and just trying to get the figure down in poses that aren't Loomis's flat grid. I know the hands are a little too big but let me know what else I fucked up.

>>3748493

>>3748498
Don't try copying just silhouette. Use boxes/cylinders instead to replace body parts. Like the chest is a box, arms are two cylinders and a flattened box for the hand and so on. You need to think of everything in 3D.

Does anyone have ideas on how to get better at learning to project what I can visualize in 3D onto paper. Specific exercises that helped any of you?

>>3748504
Visualize on the paper.

>>3747922
I've got nothing really original to post.

>>3748474
Your color selection is too narrow Anon, the entire picture is way too bright. You are using just a small portion of the entire available color spectrum which make the shading look really weak that. There are so much more color available for you use 'em! Try using more saturated and darker colors in broader values and it will be much better. Use the curve idea when selecting your lights and shadows. Your monitor/screen settings may be a bit off towards too dark and the saturation could too high the dark I would also check that just to be sure.

If you are still unsure have look at Blender Guru's video on a quick understanding of color usage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qj1FK8n7WgY

Lineart is very cute tough, keep at it!

>>3747905
>>3747910
hnnnnngh! I want to touch them

TLDR; how do I draw the two (or three) squares that define the shape of the ellipses that define the face plane, in perspective?

Just like everyone here I started from Loomis. The head drawing guide says that you need to have establish the face plane by drawing two curves that intersect right between what will become the eyebrows of the head.

I cannot draw those curves by eye, so I have to use the ellipse construction technique in a perspective book I learned. The first thing I did was just draw ellipses along two rectangles, rectangles facing the viewer directly. As you can imagine, this wouldn't turn out so well. The point where the two ellipses intersect doesn't seem to feel perpendicular.

Then I realized that these rectangles are actually just distorted squares in perspective, and I wasn't drawing them properly.

How do I draw three orthogonal squares, all centered around a fixed point, in perspective? Something like pic related, but I wanna know how it's done if I were, for example, tilt the head downwards from this view. I want to find a comfortable construction technique.

>>3745441
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
RENDERING
ANATOMY
DEVELOPING A STYLE
VALUES
SHADING WITHOUT PILLOW SHADING
I WANT A KNIFE SHOVED IN MY BRAIN

>>3748616
>I WANT A KNIFE SHOVED IN MY BRAIN
Too bad Anon, we can't help you with that you gotta do that yourself. Plus your brain doesn't have pain receptors so shoving a knife in there will likely not produce the desired results.

>>3748615
drawabox.com

Draw larger, get your aim right also. You have an axis drawn out, but aren't even hitting the points they points of intersection. You draw those out for a reason.

>>3748620
Oh, can I have the alternative and have some deconstruction on what I need to do next?

>>3748626
on >>3748616 you mean?

>>3748632
Yes! Please rip me a constructed new asshole.

>>3748633
Definitely work on your composition. Draw roughly 10-15 rough sketches of different poses with different lighting and pick a good one.

>>3748637
Should I add an imaginary light source for reference, like a cone pointing base down towards a subject or should I try to do it mentally?

>>3748639
Whatever works for you lad, only two things matter. Speed, and the end result.

>>3748641
gacias miho

>>3746142
your perspective isn't bad, but the angle you're going for is trying to mimic an overhead view and your vanishing points don't contribute to that, hence why your buildings kind of pop out but don't make sense in a 3D space. Work on this kind of stuff with a flatter horizon and I think you can figure out how this should look from an overhead view

>>3747457
kept going a bit still wip i need to fix some things

/ic/ is the most toxic board on 4chan.
You put each other down more than /r9k/ and you ree at shit so stupid that even /v/ would call you guys retarded.

>>3748666
Thanks for the constructive feedback and riveting analysis Satan.

any good place i can get mixed media paper in bulk

>>3748666
I think at this point I am only here for the piracy.

>>3748626
The face is not bad at all Anon but there is this thing called perspective you know, while you are planning and sketching keep zooming out and checking the full picture if it works or not, check the limbs if they match in size and stuff then you can avoid such mistakes. Because of perspective if her face is facing towards us then the rest of her body should curve downwards instead of staying in front. Even the boobies should be lower. Arms are uneven the right arm is longer than the left and both are too long in general.

Needs more shading and dark colors in general. I added a light coming from the right side. Added highlights on the face glasses and gold facing the direction of the light. Next time use a darker background to make a more of a value difference between foreground and background.

I am not good, this is all I could do but this should show you.

>>3748690
I'm aware of perspective, just shit at it or just not implementing it correctly. I wanted her facing down towards you but couldn't do it correctly. I'm afraid of pillow shading and don't know how to properly use a vanish point with just simple compositions like this. I see people drawing subject in a rectangular prism to give an idea of how to go about it. Coloring to me is hell, I want to try blending after making shades and highlights on different layers and then blending them like in https://www.deviantart.com/modeseven/art/Paintin-Method-306493994 but I can't render metallics or get light sources down comfortably.

>>3748666
Just not true. The "toxicity" here is necessary. There's an end result which simply cannot be achieved by positive feedback in art. If someone gets upset and leaves the board/art? Fuck em, They didn't deserve to make it anyway.

>>3748699
>Uses modeseven's tutorial for shading.
Just saying that guy makes 90% of his stuff look like wet plastic or jello.

>>3748699
Then what is your current goal anon?

>>3748700
Yikes.
This is what gives artists a bad rep in real life.

>>3748708
I guess now my homework is
Rendering
perspective
and light sources.

>>3748700
Bullshit. Endlessly repeating muh loomis and NGMI isn't helping anyone

>>3748712
Then practice each of them separately and when you are doing work always take a break between them. If you do understand perspective but can't implement it then the problem is in your workflow, you either forget it or miss it because you do not pay attention. That means you need to take more breaks because you are too intensely focused or eliminate distractions because there is too many of them.

Also ask questions, do you have anything specific you do not understand or giving you considerable difficulty? It is important that you be specific do not just say "I cn't in2 shadeng plewz halp" because that is a big topic and we can't give you a whole lecture on it at best we can tell you to read "that book" and come back afterwards.

>>3748700
Yeah 90% of Anons here are just repeating memes or tell you that you are shit. That is not criticism that is just plain being an asshole. It also does not help anyone get better but this is just Internet culture in general.

>>3748616
>>3748690
qt

>>3748721
As far as specifics I guess setting up what I want to do and going about it is a pain. More so simple portraits to actually capturing a moment. I think I have a grasp at making use of canvas space but not, say, I wanted to draw someone sitting on a box. I want to make the audience to look up (perspective wise). I can do a basic cube set down but not put the subject on it correctly. I know there's no "get it down quick" trick and it requires practice but it's pain.

>>3748707
But it looks smooth when's not making things shiny. I feel he does eyes, hair and clothing well enough to emulate at that, plus non black llineart is what I also want

Is it possible to learn how to draw without looking at books all the time?

>>3748769
Yes, you can look at your screen all the time instead.

>>3748700
there's a difference between constructive criticism and cruel, mean-spirited put downs

Im sick of all these demented sadists in the world who do nothing but berate others and then turn around and act like theyre helping them by "telling them the harsh truth" lmfao

No youre just a demented sadist

>>3748713
>>3748724
>>3748772
NGMI

I-I'll make it, right bros?!

just starting portraits.
Most of the faces staring back at me aren't like the subject but should I still do the shading or just rego. I've been shading it out anyway for practice but feels like i'm polishing a piece of shit or something.
Guess i'm asking can the shading salvage shit proportions or nah.
Guessing the answer is it depends but generally not right.

>>3748772
I feel that's because there's a lot of emotional manipulators stalking this boards. They just enjoy those interactions, trying to make you feel bad about yourself but always present themselves as your savior. Just let them drown by ignoring them, they aren't going to change or realize what they do is wrong, because it's how their brain works.
Just try and do what you think is right when giving critics/opinions/advice. Eventually everyone should get a knack for what is meaningful and what should be ignored, or so I hope.

>>3748813
very good. Technically sound

>>3748836
Not really helpful there.

>>3748813
i like it

>>3748813
not beg

>>3748867
We really need an /insecure intermediate artists/ general. intermediate artists need to stop posting in /beg/. its so fucking stupid

>>3746142
You're off to a pretty good start. Here's what I see in your pic
>bad perspective (lines of buildings that should be straight splay out in all directions, rather than parallel or converging on a vanishing point). It's only really problematic on the larger building in the upper left.
>lines are less confident, and too rigid (notice how the original has light, confident strokes to suggest shingles, rather than hard lines. The lines in your roof go from the peak of the roof to the eaves, but are also wobbly and irregular
>the details in the big building are scratchy and numerous, like you're trying to draw a diagram of bricks. In the original, he uses a few penstrokes to suggest the pattern of stones or shingles.
>original's coloring is more nuanced and has some texture that evokes water color on coarse paper

>>3746232
You're not observing the subject directly. You're glancing at her and then filling in the details with your imagination. Even if your goal is comic book like stylization, it will feel more true if you understand the lifelike proportions.

Late Christmas card I made for a buddy. I think it came out OK

guys is this correct

anyone want a terrible human cursed by 13 years of drawing sonic ocs and pokemon?

>>3748905
Are you this human? Or are you wanting to post this human's art for the purposes of mocking them?

>>3748921
nope

>>3748921
https://www.deviantart.com/better-with-salt/gallery/

>>3748941
yo wtf thats hot

>>3748621
Yeah my strokes need more work but this one was especially worse since I just wanted to get my point visualized. The stuff I do is usually bigger than that.

In any case, I think I figured it out. This should make drawing any head tilt easier.
1. Visualize where the character's head is pointed towards
2. Draw three axes all orthogonal to each other in 3D space, with one axis pointing straight at where the head is pointed towards. These axes must respect the vanishing point.
3. Draw orthogonal squares along these axes (this step needs some estimation)
4. Draw circles along these squares using normal ellipse construction

More hips.

>>3748967
I can't wait until I can start just drawing bodies like this whenever I want.

>>3748994
Do it now

>>3748996
Can't.

>>3748997
If you do it you can pleasure youself to it

>>3749000
And you just tell me this now!

tried doing a nose without ref. any critq?

>>3749047
look at some ref

Yes, learn how to draw the nose first, before learning how to paint it.

>>3748440
Thank you for he reply and why?

>>3749000
Pleasure myself? Nigga I'm tryin to sell some shit once I gitgud enough. Side money from art sounds so nice.

Ontop of that, I get the feeling I wouldn't be able to jerk it to something that I made. Weird.

>>3748441
Im not exactly sure what you are saying here

>>3748288
very cute

How deep is teh pic in the uncanny valley? Anything needs to be altered?

>>3749103
very, darken the lashes, the brows and some of the shading around the nose and mouth. Not sure if the reference has a mouth that low but I think you should bring it up a bit.

>>3749106
Would changing the proportions to animey/cartoon-like lessens the uncanny-ness more?

>>3749113
More so making it a bit more simplistic rendering wise. Like pic related except not in black and white.

Trying to get the hang of more dynamic poses and gestures.
Any advice?

>>3749122
Looking hella great desu.

>>3749118
she looks like a spooky Ayy Lmao there

>>3749128
I like the way it is turning out too and I like the gesture, but there is something funky going on with pelvis I think now that I am detalizing it.

>>3748881
Why should they?

>>3749130
>she looks like a spooky Ayy Lmao there
that's because she's japaenese
>posts 2000's+ anime pic as an example
garbage opinion

>>3749103
I tried but I don't have the reference so I think I made her look way older ><

>>3749183
forgot image

>>3747354
>>3747905
Some progress

Made a new thread because the trolls are getting desperate.

>>>>3749284

>>3749056
>>3749049
Ok tryed some more noses, after drawing them for some time, and learning about the planes of the noses. I used some refrence, but i just hate directly copying. and the colores... are just all over the planes... but i like the wierd colors. Helps it keep i fresh. Oh and thanks for the critq

>>3749319

>>3749321
A bit better but you have bad edge control

Please help, this looks like shit to me.

>>3749321
Here's an image for you. Better than any "critique" we have here.

is this infographic suitable for someone who's not interested in being a professional artist and rather someone who's into the hobby aspect of it? my goal, in art, isn't to be a professional.

>>3748250
the 'drawing the specific exaggerations' part isn't important, it's understanding that as long as you understand the underlying skeleton of a human figure and their (somewhat) relative proportions to each-other, you can twist them to make appealing art. This really helps understand how important the under-drawing is to a piece: if any part of that is fucked up in a 'realistic' drawing it will ruin any of your work from before you even finish. some people will take this literally and draw every single one of those and get nothing: understanding is the hard part.

>>3748471
why leave beg?

>>3749343
Thank you very much! Seems good, will try :D

>>3749324
Thanks for taking a look! I will read up on edge control and focus more on in.

>>3749352
clearly not a beginner. discouraging to beginners.

>>3749343
This image doesn't show shit, it's simply a breakdown of the process.
Someone who doesn't understand volumes will not understand why the edges of the nose should be darker or lighter volume out of context.

>>3749346
It's the minimum needed to draw properly.

Professionals will diverge into different directions after that.

>>3749122
anyone?

>>3749356
so...am i doing it?... am i?

>>3749361
Doing what? Are you that insecure?
You clearly understand fundamentals, start working on expanding your style and building your portfolio, look for your weaknesses, get out of your comfort zone.
I assume that all of this is very intuitive and you know this shit already.

>>3749356
i didn't wanted to discourage anyone, sorry if i did, i was just excited

>>3749359
Even for hobby artists who have no intention of becoming masters of some sort?

I think "properly" is a bit vague. And I'm not trying to argue against it to make the path to learning properly easier, just want to make sure it's a solid path to lead.

>>3749370
If you want to be considered a person that understands all basic fundamentals, yes.
If you want to ditch something, no.

>>3749371
Understood. Thank you for your responses.

>>3749325
what is the point of fully rendering a massive background if you aren't confident in your art skills? you wasted so much of your time coloring that shit in when you could just figure out what to improve on your figure and start on the next drawing.

>>3749367
yeah i should work more on my insecurities and my discipline, sorry for being like this but i'm still consider myself as beginner i have lot of things to understand and learn, anyways thanks for your time

>>3749379
If you need an ego boost, your fundamentals look alright.
Your drawings are "good" by conventional standards, but you reached mediocrity for professional level.
If you want to actually advance now, break your mold, practice even more and train your weakest aspects. For example, how good are you with environments? If you were focusing all your studies on characters before, now might be a good time to switch to composition and larger scenes.

>>3749378
I saw in some videos that if you are starting a draw, you must finish it no matter how shitty it looks.

?

would love some tips on this sketch

>>3749223
this one looks a lot better than the other one (lips are much better, before were far too small) except for the neck shadow. also a lot of the 'uncanniness' is coming from the really flat hair i think

>>3749422
too thic

>>3749451
>too thicc
blasphemy

>>3749422
Wonderful! Except she looks cross-eyed.

>>3749456
Oh...shit, nevermind.

>>3749464
Yeah, still would smash the possible cellulite out.

>>3749352
Cause you haven't given blog

>>3749360
Don't be afraid to go off model to accentuate a line of action and to incorporate stretch and squish into a picture.

Is this how I am supposed to practice? I tried drawing boxes and contours and stuff but I am not sure if this what I am supposed to be doing or if I am doing this right at all.

>>3749610
reference btw

Which one is the new thread again?

>>3749665

>>3744900
>>3744900
>>3744900
>>3744900

>>3748377
Nice, is that your dog?

>>3749665
Until this thread dies, it makes no sense to post on the other threads.

>>3749183
This is teh ref if you're still interested

>>3749687
don't listen to that nazi faggot this is the new /beg/ thread
>>>3749272
>>>3749272
>>>3749272
>>>3749272
>>>3749272

>>3750230
>>3749687
>>3749665

Don't post on those troll threads!

>>3749284

Is the proper /beg/ thread it actually has an image from this thread and refs the others are just nazi trolls and baiters.

>>3748441
Thumbnail does not read fine, why are you adding so much detail when your shapes are still wonked all to hell?