/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3729963
why do you have an OP pic with nothing to do with art?

>>3729967
Why does your post have nothing to do with art?

Try drawing the OP pic

>>3729970
I suppose the OPs picture catches people's attention.

>>3729963
>heh, this'll redpill 'em for sure!

>>3729967
>>3729977
It looks like the Nazi poster from a few weeks ago is at it again.

Report and hide. Don't even bother posting your work in this thread.

I'm NGMI lads.

>>3729979
Nazis disgust me. There’s nothing worse than a Nazi if you ask me. Nazis are wretched asswholes that prey on the weak and hurt people. Fucking disgusting. Pol is evil I hate pol users. 4chan is a waste of your time and mine. We should kill all Nazis and kick their asses. They make me so mad. They think they can get away with it but they won’t. REPORT ALL NAZIS. 4CHAN DOESNT WANT NAZIS

>>3729963
Cringe and bluepilled

I'm just here to post stuff.

>>3729963
Everyone Please Report the nazifag spammer to get him banned again!

i painted something i saw on here

>>3730039
sorry for size

>>3730039
>>3730045
STOP POSTING! Report the OP and ignore the thread!
The previous thread is still up go post there
>>3724350

>>3730048
kek alright then

>>3729994
that was pretty gay and cringy.

>>3730048
Just here to tell you that people don't like antipathetic faggots like you bossing them around, and every time you try to do that, it has the opposite effect. Also, go back to whatever shithole you came from.

>>3729994
fag

>>3729963
at least make an attempt to post a good ref

>>3729980
Your shoulders aren't broad enough, but it looks pretty good anon. Keep at it, you'll do good

>>3730010
That's actually not bat. Nice traces

>>3731029
Someone should've said this to hitler

Pretty old picture, and it doesn't scale too well so sorry for the stupidly big size.

I was just wondering what you guys think can be improved on for future reference (Other than everything).

>>3729963
Rate my drawing.

>two /beg/ threads, the last one not even close to bump limit
Jesus. Sage.

>>3731128
You’ve got some of that WikiHow surrealism going on, I like it. Keep doing what you’re doing, but break up those shades of green for the leaves.

>>3729994
Kek, keep it real anon. Gotta make sure all of those Nazi incels PAY for shitposting on 4chan. They’re so evil and disgusting that you don’t even need to explain yourself. You’re so valid.

>>3729963
>those earrings
You could have at least posted an authentic photograph instead of a roastie larping for instagram likes, you sad faggot.

>>3729994
Lol internet tough guy

Im new to digital drawing, so im a bit shit at it.

So what should i work on?

>>3731344
Work on posting to the correct thread, retard.

Okay so this isn’t great but it kinda shows my level I can consistently put out. I feel relatively comfortable with everything above the belt but as soon as I need to draw legs I have to step out of my comfort zone. If anyone could rip me up and tell me what I should do differently and some specific things to change I would really appreciate it. I sound like a dick saying it but if all you are gonna say is work on proportion, perspective, anatomy, etc you can save your time. I know those aren’t right but I already have that in mind. I need some less vague precise things to keep in mind as I hack this out. Again thanks in advance.

>>3731347
Please bestow upon me this so called correct thread.

>>3731349
I think I see now that the perspective changes between the upper body and the legs. you see the upper body from above but the legs you look at from the front. Guess it’s back to drawing boxmen.

>>3731347
>>3731344
>>3731349
>>3731295

Here you go
>>3730396

Now stop falling for the OP nazifag spamposter's bait threads. He was banned in the past for a good reason.

>>3729963
Back at it again, I see
>>3729967
He's an autistic shitposter from /pol/ from a few weeks ago that copies thread themes but uses a nazi or racist cartoon as the OP.

And retards like these:
>>3730010
>>3730039
>>3731128
>>3731344
>>3731349
Keep bumping his threads.

trying to learn portrait drawing. what do i need? more practice? better method? better shading? mostly begginner btw

nazis are faggots

>>3731953
Read the Fundamentals of Drawing by mogilevtsev. The pdf is online

Is there any book about foreshortening? as soon im out of the front view perspective looks like im drawing aliens

>>3729980
this is good anon

Definitely something off with my drawing (been doing it 2 months)
How do I shade a person's face without making them look "old" or "grimy."
Also did I screw up my proportions somehow?

>>3733750
sorry here it is rotated

>>3731953
your proportions from the hairline to the chin are good. You made your female's face too square-jawed, a woman's jaw is typically more delicate and ellipsoidal than that. Also the distance from your ear to the front of your face is too long, so the entire head is too elongated looking from the side. The neck should be a little thinner from that perspective (have it end at about the middle of the chin)

If you cant paint better than Hitler then you dont get to complain about nazism. Post your work. You are literally worse than Hitler.

>>3733945
>tfw artists hate an artist for trying to deal with people who destroyed art.

>>3729963
With figure drawing, should you build solid foundations from life before working on poses from imagination, or does it not matter?

>>3731953
spend less time rendering and more time constructing. You went balls to the wall focusing on contrast without paying much attention to the underlying forms.

>>3731960
>>3733752
same advice as above

I need the full video of this tutorial or a similar idealistic skull detailed construction video or illustration.
>Pls halp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApTixLGO4YM

>>3734472
Stop falling for the OP nazifag spamposter's bait threads.
the /beg/ thread is here
boards.4chan.org/ic/thread/3730396

>>3734475
There is nothing wrong with nazis, you conditioned crybaby.
Now halp if you can or gtfo.

How'd I do here?

Recently started coloring and shading also and I hope my shading makes sense here.

>>3731075
Not good? Do you just not like beautiful blonde girls or what?
Its objectively good.

>>3729980
The eye and eyebrow is too low, bring it close to the nasal bone.
The shoulders aren't broad enough. It's half a head for women and a full head for men.
It took me a while to differentiate the ear from the hair. Please put more care in the lineart to avoid confusion.
Either finish this piece or put more effort in your next post; it's clear that you weren't trying. Why should we care about your art if you're not trying your best?

Good luck

>>3734541

Started out recently and this is a request I did for someone in /v/. Did it in Krita and am not sure how I am doing in terms of lineart. Coloring is beyond me at this point so not sure what the best tutorial/brushes for it even would be. Any feedback/advice would be appreciated.

>>3734521
Keep it up man but the face is very misplaced

>>3733945
Astounding and astonishing

Post his Donald Duck drawing

I'm looking for what could be the best anatomy starting course for someone with basic drawing experience but almost no anatomy drawing skills.

Let me be clear, my end goal is to be a better 3D character artist, but I'm not posting in /3/ because A), it's a cesspool of hate and stupid software arguments and B) I completely understand that I need a solid 2D knowledge base before transitioning to 3D anatomy.

I took some drawing and human figure in college a couple of years ago but so far all my jobs have been in some design field. I'm currently unemployed and after going through some personal shit I really want to get better at what I hope to be someday. So I have pretty much 100% time availabilty (while I'm not sending curriculums like a maniac) but no income to get formal education.

I'm looking for some specific course that could get me started, I know practice and Loomis are great helps but I need some sort of multi media guidance to help me learn. Altough I'm currently reading Drawing with the right side of the brain and doing the excersises religiously.

I'm looking mostly for stuff I can download from CGPeers and stuff. I'm thinking on downloading The Anatomy Workshop from Gnomon but I don't know if it's any good or if there's a better option I could look for, and with my download speeds I don't want to waste possibly weeks downloading something that isn't that good.

I know piracy isn't good. I actually bought Drawing with the right side and Fun with a Pencil with the last of my savings and compromising some of the food for this month, but I honestly don't know what else to do if I can't pay to study in my third-world country, but even if you don't believe me, I've made the promise that I will pay any of the courses I download.

So, which courses / books / artists / websites / DVD sets can you recomend me to learn anatomy (and possibly but not necesarily character design)?

>>3734819
>but the face is very misplaced
How so?

>>3734838
Don't feel bad about piracy. Just remember the generosity that helped you right now when you're able to pay it forward. Always punch *up*.

Gnomon's anatomy is meh. Try NMA or Hampton's lectures at CGMA.

>>3734838
>>3735108

Also, Keys to Drawing is better than Drawing on the Right Side. It's piratable too. Get and work through Norling's perspective book before starting anatomy.

>>3734541
>>3734546
use a pencil/paper for a year

I drew this while really bored at work. Lmk what you think

anybody got some bent leg refs?
im fuckin stuck over here

finished making lineart today, I'm planning on using watercolour to colour it. I'm really happy with how it turned out because it's different from what I usually do and a really big difference from lineart 4 years ago.

>>3735173

Looks 2d as fuck.
Learn perspective.

>>3735354
draw porn of her

>>3735354
>>3735355
>>3735360
>>3735173
>>3735117
>>3735113
>>3735108
>>3734838
>>3734821

Everybody for fuck's sake STOP POSTING IN THIS THREAD!
Report the nazifag spamposter OP and ignore the thread!
The previous /beg/ thread is still up go post there stop falling the troll.

>>>3730396

>>3735368
oh, shut up with your drama.

>>3735108
>>3735113

Thank you! Im gonna start looking for the New Masters material asap.

And I've seen some copies of Keys to Drawing in spanish in a shop, I'm gonna get that as soon as I'm finished with Right Side. I know you said it was better but I don't like to leave an unfinished book and it gives me some time to save a bit more and buy the physical copy. But Norling I may have to download digitally.

Thank you so much!

Thoughts?

>>3735368
And the draw thread has the mascot of Israel on its OP

Settle down

>>3736142
They're both OPs thread anon. you absolute idiot

5 minute figure drawing practice from a complete /beg/.
I think I'll 10 minutes instead next time. 5 minutes barely gives me time to draw the "action" of the pose, so I usually get bad proportions.
What are your thoughts on shorter vs. longer poses? What helps you improve the most? Is there a consensus?

>>3736424

Can't say I've done a huge amount of pose studies, but I think the general idea is to get a good action line for the pose then make things flow with it.

Some of your poses look a bit stiff. Try drawing a smooth line from the top of the head to the bottom of the leg/feet, then drawing the figure around it.

>>3735969

Learn how do draw each part of the human body first individually (learn the main muscle groups; draw from reference).
Then draw a metric crap ton of full human figures.
Then learn to draw each part of the human face individually.
Then learn how to draw the full human face.
Finally, redraw your picture so it's not shit.

Drunk doodling reference free, but then it looked like a sfv character so i tried to give him similar hair. Going to grind some gay ass "learn to draw" books all day tomorrow, it's gonna be dope

>>3736433
Which book?

>>3735368
Thread gonna die soon because it's not being bumped, which means beginners won't be able to find it and ask for help.

>>3736433
Pretty good, though it looks a little unfinished.

I'd say the eyes are too close together slightly (but not by much).
Other than than hard to critique as it's just really an outline right now.

forgot about the resize rule,drunk doodlin

>>3736142
>>3735524
Hi nazifag OP, how about you stop shitting up our board with your spam? Ican't wait to see your ass finally banned again.

>>3736435
Been lurkin for a while getting inspired by the sick artists round here, i downloaded this infographic and i am ultra beg tier in everything, but i would like to study body construction and hands more, so when i do shit out doodles it's at least a whole shitty drawing instead of just a head.

>>3736436
yeah i almost never finish shit due to severe ignorance/art stupidity

pic related is what i've been meaning to look at

i'll try to make this one the last bodyless post I will make on /ic/ to force me to draw actual sjhit, merry christmas and happy new year

HELP ME, FAGGOTS!

Proko or Sycra?

>>3736500
loomis

>>3736500
Hampton’s anatomy

>>3736500
memes

What do you think of this? The line art isn't from me, i just tried to color it (i'm beginning in coloring)

>>3736549
I think it's lazy. Learn to draw.

>>3736439
Nah, you're just retarded

I remember seeing a website that you can use for quick sketch image references. It had a timer and whatnot you could use, along with a few different categories. Anybody have a link for that? I can't find it in my browser history.

>>3736561
read the sticky

Is there a point in learning coloring if you don't really care about coloring? As in, would learning how to color help you with grayscale drawing at all?

>>3736565
Well, the one I was thinking of wasn't in there, but I guess what was in there will do.

>>3736486
FUCKING HELP ME FAGGOTS!!!!

I've heard from numerous sources that I should use exaggeration while doing gesture drawings. Should I just look at cartoons where they have extremely body proportions and just copy them?

>>3736574
yes

>>3736486
>>3736573
HELP ME, YOU PIECES OF SHIT

>>3736486
>>3736573
read the sticky

>>3736554
Well i’m already learning how to draw, this was just to test coloring

>>3736486
>>3736573
SOMEONE WITH SOME ACTUAL ADVICE, HELP ME!

>>3736602
You can come back when you actually want help with something.

>>3736602
Try harder.

>>3736602
>>3736573
>>3736486
this...this can't be...while your drawings are crude and rudimentary, they show immense potential and promise...yes I see it now...

You're "the one". You're an artistic genius!
Why, with proper guidance you shall become the greatest artistic mind in centuries! I believe there is nothing for you to learn here my fine fellow, but rather, I implore you to teach.

Please help US

>>3736486
>>3736573
bump

>>3736486
>>3736573
Looks like shit. Just give up.

>>3736549
Looks like she had some serious skin disease, probably Vitiligo.

>>3736573
Is this a full page?

Reworked an older sketch with new watercolours.

>>3736652
It’s supposed to be the shadow of some leaves

>>3736549
I think the leaves are too small.

>>3729963
Mid-beginner, drawing mostly from eyes, traditional media. 2 questions will repost if there will be a need.

I want to rise to another level and improve at drawing stuff that isn't smooth but doesn't exactly have protruding features - ex, fur, carpets, jeans material, woods etc.

How do I make these things smooth and realistic?

Also during one of exercises I had to draw 10 times the same object from the same angle. I managed to mark the most important features and proportions in all 10 sketches, but I feel they weren't exactly the same. I really fear the "off-model". Besides sometimes we've got to redraw our stuff in bigger formats and it ends up being slightly different.

How do I get better at copying stuff or my own drawings in bigger detail than just general proportions, features and feel?

Does anyone have any thoughts about The Kirk Shop products/videos? I've never heard about it before, stumbled on this video today, though, and so far it seems pretty good, though I haven't finished it. I also have no idea about the credentials of the instructor.

https://thekirkshop.com/youtube-tutorials/2018/7/29/drawing-tutorial

>>3736897
Looks pretty good, but nothing that you don't get from Marc Leone/NKU's youtube channel

wtf is wrong with me, im just trying to copy loomis, yet both drawings looks like dogshit

>>3736900

your eye is just not very trained yet. overlay these on the actual loomis drawings and you will see that they are proportionally off. Just keep at it.

>>3736900
I can literally tell that you skimmed the book and aren't following instructions properly. You're supposed to be drawing through. THROUGH. Toure still drawing in 2D

>>3736910
im copying his drawings, what do you mean drawing through

>>3736910

Spend 17 hours doing this this simple portrait critique plz.
Dit not know how to paint the ears so I pu the hair on top of it.

>>3736916
>>3736918

He even says it here "try to think of the construction all around the head"
Drawing through means that youre drawing even what you don't see.

Who told you that you were suposed to draw everything in the book? Those are just examples.

If you are drawing a 3/4 view if the head. You would only be seeing one ear right? Drawing through means that you know exacly where the hidden ear would be. Like you were looking through glass or a transparent bottle.

>>3736549
I think the hair is very flat, you should put some high lights

In the eyes also.

>>3736927
i see

>>3736926
You could have done a much better jusb in just half an hour. You need to do more still life and focus on ACCURACY.

It's not about effort or how hard you work Its about how hard you think. Be critical of yourself.

>>3736940
I told the time not to implicate hard work. just to give a parametrer since I m a begginer.

I could not have done in half a hour since 2 hours just to make the sketch.

Is my first portrait. Before I only did 3d stuff, so I am sarting to learn how to paint now.

So are we just going to normalize the whole Nazi OP thing? I understand it's only one guy doing it, but is everyone here just going to be retarded and continue to bump these threads? I also understand that it is difficult to find consensus among a mob of anonymous users, but we used to have work from the thread used as OP images before this stupid shitter came in and started making threads with a Nazi in the OP and claiming that "ids fur revernce :~~~~D"

>inb4 meta discussion about the thread being hijacked by a fuckwit isn't on topic, but making an OP with a """""reference""""" that nobody asked for is on topic

How did I do? I never drew a car before

>>3736954
If you spend 2 hours on a sketch you need to concentrate more on drawing right now instead of painting.

>>3736955
Nope we won't we just have to make a new thread wit ha proper OP pic. Same way people at the /draw/ thread seem to just ignore that it was the same nazifag shitposter.

Just report the OP everyone, please!

>>3736955
It just goes to show you how fucking retarded people are that they can't even see a troll when it's right in their face and competing for air time with the real users who'd made and perpetuated these threads since the beginning. The mods don't use this board or if they did they're probably among the stupidest fucks on here so expecting them to do anything about it is too much to ask.

A potent combination of one complete loser ingrate's autism and the breathtaking incompetence exhibited by both the mods and users, themselves.

>>3736668
Looks like a man

>>3736987
I'm the anon you replied to, but I just want to say OP has broken zero rules. It's up to the board at large to accept this shit by either replying or not replying to the thread.

>>3729994
FUCK OFF GOOKMOOT THIS SHITHOLE WILL NEVER BE ADVERTISER FRIENDLY
FUCK YEAH NAZIS WE NEED MORE OFFENSIVE PEOPLE LIKE YOU HERE

Learning how to draw figure is great

But how do i git gud with landscape and background?

>>3736995
You're not entirely wrong (global 6 fits imho) but how many more threads should they need to copy and paste with zero effort including a completely unrelated image before their intentions are clear enough to admit they're a problem? This kind of thing should be taken to its logical conclusion and dealt with in advance because you know the retard is going to keep being emboldened by the users' "support" and the mod's indifference.

>>3737005
>advertiser friendly
Are your retarded? The branch off was because 4chan lost its credit card processor for passes, which was actually a big chunk of revenue the site used to stay afloat. No one wants to buy a pass using Bitcoin, but that's where we are at, and /pol/ is almost exclusively to blame.

>>3736955
>>3736974
>>3736987
literally this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8y8Ziwswe0
also, stop samefagging.

>>3737026
fucking kill yourself hiro

Can i get advice

>>3737024
If the mods did their jobs, they would at least delete the OP images on both the /beg/ and /draw/ threads while still allowing the threads to run.

>>3737054
>mods doing their jobs
never

>>3736962
Can someone please give me their opinion on my drawing?

>>3736994
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzVF7rFtHIA

>>3736962
>>3737059
your perspective is off

Ive havent been drawing in a while and get frustrated when things dont go my way bit still wanted to show thos thing i did quickly. Whanted to try a cartoon style

>>3737013
https://archive.org/details/PerspectiveMadeEasy

I may unironically be too retarded for art, how do I obtain the powers of observation?

>>3737181
resting every 15 minutes of observation

I want to try digital. I tried an iPad and the plastic on glass puts me off,

What are my other options for something that's portable, is not a USB tablet (eg don't need a second laptop) and doesn't have the jitter issue. I tried out an surface pro 4 of a work friend and it was downright impossible ot use,

>>3737176
Heh
I know how perspective work
But I still sucks on drawing ambient

>>3737181
You’re not.
Push your comfort zone and do more studies.

Every time you take a specific thing like a nose or lips or light or shading or colour and study it like a doctor, your eyes will open. Everything is a choice. You can choose to be a master of perspective. It’s up to you.

idk whats wrong but the face feels off
can anyone crit me

>>3737252
Couple of things but I think what you're looking for is you made the nose way too small

>>3737252
Think of why the camera went in close

>>3737252
It looks off cause it is off. Instead of actually drawing what you see you just sorta approximated everything like the bottom left of the chin, the shape of the phone or his hairline. If you want it to look as close to the original as possible you need to actually draw the shapes and lines seen in the original as they relate to other shapes and lines.

>>3737288
head droops like a boomerang or a dali clock, like his skull is soggy and his left eye is wandering too far from the nose

>>3729994

>>3737298

>>3737181
draw what you are afraid to draw and think you will fuck up

Hi /beg/, I usually draw on paper but am trying to get comfortable with digital.

This was pretty rushed (sorry), and the linework was unbelievably crap, but was hoping for some feedback on my construction.

>>3737350
It's fine. Now draw the rest of it's features and post.

Oof, not happy with this, shoulders are really manly for a start.

What are my weak points, what should I drill?

Handicapping myself to hard round brush and no blending. I'm used to working in grey-scale, so I decided to go wild with the colors. Difficult to judge value while keeping color in mind, so I'm trying to go out of my comfort zone. Critique much appreciated.

>>3729963
Tips to improve anatomy faster? I'm making progress but I'd like to speed it up some, my proportions are usually off by quite a bit and it's getting annoying to have to double check every figure I draw to make sure their shoulders aren't below their pelvis.

>>3737451
This looks pretty good, but the nose looks a little crooked, and desu the whole face looks a little lopsided to the left

>>3737433
Damn, looking at this again, there were some really bad mistakes. Fixed a few more things that still bugged me. A redline would be very much appreciated.

>>3737455
thanks m8, i can see it now

It feels a lot harder understanding form from a picture reference rather than a model.

It's just a sketch but what should I improve?

>>3729967
Test

>>3737459
face

>>3737522
She's done

Sorry in advance for the poor image quality. I'm a beginner and I'm trying to kick symbol drawing by drawing things upside down. Does anyone have any advice for getting past it or picture that you think would be helpful to copy?

>>3737585
Here is the original for reference.

>>3737589
>>3737585
Pretty Good work though 'symbol drawing' isn't a very helpful term once you're trying to improve. Alphonso Dunn recently did a video about drawing what you know and drawing what you see and drawing from imgaination requires a good grasp on both, because you see what looks appealing and what you like but you know what is wrong and right assuming your brain works and you understand the forms of what you're drawing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tzzuj_CgO5g

The upside down drawing is a good exercise for seeing better, but you still probably see symbols if you can't add a believable lighting scheme to your lil knight there. It's really good to practice observational drawing with shape (like what you're doing) and form (Like loomis).

I like to copy heinrich kley for form practice because he uses pretty clear blocky forms

so I started to draw comic style thing, but I dont have style . how is this ?

ignore the text

>>3737594
Thanks for the recommendation and the link anon. I'm just a beginner so I wouldn't know where to even start with lighting schemes. Are there any specific images of Kley's that you copy, because I just looked him up and all of this forms look round and organic?

>>3736900
Is the bottom one yours as well? You're putting the features in the wrong place in the first picture. For Loomis, the middle line is where the eyebrows are supposed to be. Look up proko's video about drawing heads on YouTube.

>>3736444
sike

Only after when I was half way through I realized the spike was off. I tried to get a regal painting look but it came out as a psychopathic feel.

Help me please.

>>3737717
Reference #1

>>3737717
Reference #2

>>3737717
Not a lot of people in /beg/ threads will feel too comfortable offering advice. I speak for myself of course, since I don't think I personally am good enough for that. Try to remember to just keep drawing, check the sticky out, and if you must ask for critique in a /beg/ thread try to be more clear about what you're looking for help in specifically at the moment instead of a general " help with everything/anything"

Try to work on linework more before trying to color and shade, you haven't nailed a 3D spacing or grasp of depth yet which you can't fake with shading or coloring at your level, which is what it looks like you went for

Drew this a while ago to annoy my friends! I’m a baby artist so I know it isn’t perfect. I know it isn’t dark enough in a lot of spaces but I was limited with my pencil. Does anyone have any advice for noses?

>>3737623
These and the above are my copies and personally find it's clearer and easier for me to follow than bridgeman because his hatching follows the form pretty clearly. Though everyone is different for me studying him helped me improve the most.

>>3736486
>>3736573
IM STILL WAITING, INCELS!!!

>>3736994
not really

>>3737826
very good. Technically sound

>>3737826
you've reached the apex, the peak of what humans can achieve in art, and the art messiah

>>3736927
here, tried to draw head, imagining that its 3d sphere

How's my work?

>>3737885
Structure-less.

>>3737855
We would see more of the top of the head.

>>3737885
Good line quality, but demonstrated nothing else.

Perspective? Form? Lighting?

>>3737763
"limited by my pencil"
You really only need 3 shades to clearly define form. Shadow, midtone and highlights (no markings).
The form is messy; light appears to be coming from all directions yet none. Both sides of the nose can't be in shadow if directional light applied.
If light is coming straight from above, no shadows on the top part of the nose at all; should be cast shadow under it (like you've done with the chin).

Watch Proko's video on how to shade + any other lighting stuff.
But before that, HOLY DEAR LORD WATCH HIS VIDEO ON HOW TO DRAW EYES.
Those some giant, anime as eyes.

>>3737900
>>3737915
wtf is wrong with you, this is decent stuff, this just shows that murata could post his drawing here and he would be called no skill hack

>>3737826
Stop drawing shitty anime.

How do I present form? In reading a few books on perspective and reading Scott's book on rendering.

>>3737917
Sorry, no one ever got better because "Wow that looks awesome anon you're the best".

I tried to throw in a compliment, because their line quality is good. But perspective and shading would take their art to the next level.

>>3737917
>murata
who.

>>3737917
Murata know's perspective and shading.

>>3737923
Dis guy.

>>3737925
>image.jpg
>Murata know's perspective and shading.

>>3737917
I'm sorry, but your work is not anywhere near Murata's level.

>>3737926
> file format
> ability to draw

>>3737917
sure

>>3737707
mouth feels a bit off to the right. biggest thing is try not to let the end of the lip exceed the middle of the pupil. you might not need the line that defines the top of the chin. line defining the nose feela a little too heavy.

What's the difference between male and female eyes?
I know the eyelashes are thicker on females but that's it from me.

>>3737958
Not an expert, so grain of salt; pretty sure in general men have thicker eyebrows.
General rule though, plenty of outliers in real life.

DON'T GIVE UP

how are the Uni Mitsubishi Lead Holders? i typically prefer metal ones but i'm a sucker for a set

>>3737945
thanks homie I really appreciate it

>>3736881
Bump? Am I that much below /ic/ level? Are there any other more beginner oriented places?

Wait, what the fuck.
This works so well. I just decided to do a 100 hand in a week challenge because I fucking suck at hands and 3 days in I actually can't believe the progress I've made.
Maybe I'll restart afterwards and do a 200 or 300. Probably will have extreme diminishing returns at a certain point though.

>>3738105
I'm art-retarded, but I'm pretty sure those are some good improvements.

>>3738105
>Getting better at something by doing it
Who would have guessed?

>>3729963

Tried again.

What do you guys think? Is the face still misplaced?

Tried again.

What do you guys think? Any thoughts? Is the face still misplaced?

>>3738207

>>3737916
Hey, thanks for taking the time to critique my art! You gave some really good advice, and I’ll check is out and re-do it. One of the problems was that the reference image I was using had weird lighting, and I tried kind of random ways to define the face more without thinking about if it made sense. That doesn’t in any way excuse the mistakes I made though, and I’m really glad that you helped me learn!

>>3737826
Perspective is fucked. Anatomy non-existent.

Start reading something on perspective and draw simple geometric shapes, like cylinders, cubes, cones and so on. First single, then in groups.

Any good charcoal tutorial or tip?

>>3737917
Murata's pencil sketches that he uses for underdrawing have enough action in them to make many people here consider suicide. He makes a simple frame with a ball and a man in basically empty space look cool cause he uses perspective, knows his forms by heart and knows where to exaggerate and stretch them.

is this correct?

>>3738310
i have real problem finding middle line of the face, feels like im guessing

>>3738314
>>3738310
Did i just started to see or just got lucky?

>>3738338
No

>>3738340
should i keep drawing 3/4 view or try something else?

>>3738345
You should try to do a less realistic head. Check out "Fun with a Pencil" and do cartoony heads while also doing basic geometric shapes in perspective on the side.

You are trying to copy the face while not seeing the forms it is made of.

>>3738350
can you show me mistakes i did in the last face, i know my first two faces are beyond bad and even not worth commenting

>>3738355
I'm not the person you're talking with, but the whole thing you're doing feels off and bad. /ic/ loves construction and line based drawings, but heads are "organic". The circle is to help you, not to be mathematically drawn with a compass and have face added on top of it. People have proportions but also unique features, nose is skewed, eyes have different shapes etc. Additionally, your drawings feel 2D because they have lines indicating shapes that don't make much sense. I'm an ESL rambling but

TL;DR try to draw simpler stuff and don't think about loomis being a "recipe" for drawing.
It's hard to redline because the concept is flawed not proportions (that are weird btw).

where exatcly can I find reference to grind fundamentals?

>>3738365
thank you il try to focus more of drawing itself and just use loomis to understand proportions
did few more heads..

>>3738400
To be honest, I don't even use the circles while drawing, I just picture how the head should look at a certain angle roughly and go from there. If there are any perspective mistakes, I fix it later.

>>3729980
>>3730010
use lineweight where is needed, not everywhere anon.

>>3738418
i perfectly understand that, reason im trying to use loomis is because i want to learn to see actual shapes and draw there outline forms using construction, which i feel like will also help me with drawing other things as well

>>3738400
OK, I'm that anon, again.
You're doing exactly the same thing. You're trying to do stuff out of order of learning that's why you fail. Try to draw loomis' funny heads or take an apple and try to draw it (better - do a study). That's how you should start learning, not by drawing these heads. You're completely missing all the points the author makes in the book.

Try to shade/fill the left one and see how it looks like an alien (spoiler: they all do).


>>3738434
>outline forms using construction
But you draw aliens not humans' faces. Try the funny faces Loomis writes about. You need basic observation skills first.

Draw apples without drawing a single circle till you'll understand.

>>3735339
Get in front of a mirror and take a picture, or have a friend do it

My first drawing tablet is arriving tomorrow, its just a cheap one but it should be good for a first timer. Any youtube channels that help getting started in art, or any basic designs that would be good to draw? I'm using gimp starting out if that helps.

>>3738438
Ok il check out those funny heads

besides shading, how should i try to improve?

>>3738524
Looks great, try drawing in more perspective.

which skulle looks better, left or right?

>>3738677
Left.

>>3738677
They’re both equal in my opinion
Setting dependent

http://www.artofscholes.com/checkingvalues/ if you're having trouble establishing correct values when working in color, scroll down to the "tl;dr" section of this article to learn how to create a greyscale shortcut in photoshop. Very helpful to be able to press Ctrl-Y to check your values while painting. It's helped me a lot.

Tried drawing a Gibson girl from the inspiration thread.

>>3737826
stop trying to copy shitty anime

>>3738746
come and play wiith us

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtGTot98UAo

i'm charadesigning around and i'd like to have some feedbacks/critiques in order to see the flaws i may not have noticed
thx bois

>>3738754
n-new fetish

>>3738736
Your lines are shit

>>3738736
you're improving good stuff

>>3738797
I'm the guy who is good with lines.

>>3737717

>>3738758
Need full body, judging a character design off of a head is dumb

>>3737451
>>3737455

progress since my last post. I'm finished with this study. Critique appreciated as always.

>>3738817
Jimmy you're a treasure

>>3738677
Right by far, better darks at the teeth

>>3738925
Who is Jimmy? Why do you keep calling me that.

I feel pretty proud of this after my glorious fail at tracing 3d models. I'm trying to be more natural like cowboy anon here >>3732903

I've been watching a lot of figure drawing lectures from Steve Hustons on NMA, and the majority of the lectures (at least the one I'm looking at atm) are on master studies. Ideally, what should I be getting out of these studies?

I can more or less understand the gesture line down the torso, and the rhythm from the head to torso, and even some of the construction itself, but how should I actually incorporate this stuff into practice? I'm still feeling pretty stuck and lost in the sense of progression, like it's not really coming together for me. Should I be trying to emulate their construction of the figure? Is this even restricted to old masters?

Also, should I just focus on a single part of the body before I decide to move onto the next, or should I try to get a shitty understanding of the entirety of the figure first? I'm sure there are lots of ways to go about it but my indecisiveness is making this more difficult than it seemingly needs to be.

critique?

>>3739070
Duuuuude. Alright actually the head seems to be fine, it connects behind the neck and there's that bump for the eye socket... So I won't bash you on that. And the elbows... actually end around the ribcage's endpoint so that's fine too. Now, now, what's that hand? Well from that angle it's true you'd only see the knuckles even if it's simple and they reach until mid-tight...
I know there's something extremely wrong with this drawing but everything seems mostly into place wtf. I guess it's just minimalistic? Wait no, I think the legs should be longer. A bit longer. The upper legs are fine but.. no maybe that's fine too?

>>3736440
the fuck is that? no fag has ever done that pic

>>3738821
Sums it up.

what the fuck is wrong with me lads
ngmi

>>3739073
>I know there's something extremely wrong with this drawing

It's probably the complete lack of form

>>3739083
How do I build form? especially without shading with that character

>>3738755
I added to it

Only worrying about anatomy here. please tell me I suck but give legit advice.

Memorizing Loomis proportions but have difficulty putting them into any sort of dynamic poses. I'm trying to not symbol draw either (save for the face but I just kind of phoned that in for reference).

>>3739092
You're pretty much doing exactly the opposite of what you've said you're trying to do. Proportion is screwed, pretty much every part is symbol drawn, and there's barely any sense of anatomy.

>>3739094
What's some concrete advice that isn't memorizing more Loomis shit cause that's what I'm doing now

>>3739092
Try defining the drawing more, give it more detail and effort. My answer would be pretty much like this >>3739073 Things are mostly into place ro resemble the human body but that's like saying the Cavemen paintings were fine. To see where your anatomy really stands, you need to go a mile further with it. But I can tell the left arm is too short, if you moved it down it would barely reach the hips.
Of course, with more definition, that lineart COULD be acomodated to be accurate if it was using fore-shortening but you're not quite there yet.

I've been drawing every day for the past 45 days or so and I think I'll really stick with this. I want to get a drawing tablet with a screen, but I obviously don't want to spend $2000+. I currently have a cheapish Wacom tablet that I got years and years ago.

I currently deliver pizzas and live at home, so I can drop like $300-Maybe $400 occasionally on something I want after I pay bills and my car payments and shit. Does anyone have any recommendations? Is it THAT much better to draw on a tablet with a screen?

Also, I'm not a furry I just like Sylveon.

>>3739092
>beg
First stop using microsoft paint. Use sketchbook pro. it's free. Or is that a scan?

Second. Loomis does a poor job explaining this, but before anatomy you need to master the mannequin and be able to do poses in your mind. Do the easy manequin at page 45 first. If You can't then read below...

Before you can do the manequn you need to know how to move the primites shapes in your mind in perspective. Sphere, Cube, piramid and cilinder-. Specially the cubes and cilinders. As that's what the manequin is made of.

And before you add primitives you need to do basic gesture. Those stick figures loomis uses some pages earlier.

But before that you need to know basic perspective.

good luck!

>>3739092
For starters go to Quickpose and try to copy nude people from there. People use it for different purposes, what I did was set it to 1 or 2 minutes. And get the lineart of the people posing.
AFTER I finished with the 20 pics it randomly offers, I went back and finished drawing my favorite ones with no time limit. After the exercise finishes you can still see the pics so I went and put some more detail into some of them.

After doing the exercise two times, so that'd be 40 pictures of people, you should stop messing proportions since you'll have them engraved into your brain.

>>3739120
You're a furry. Let me make it easy for you. Go to /co/, then after a few week downgrade to /trash/.

>>3739122
I believe it's a scan. MSPaint would look much worse. For real though, so many of my friends use MSPaint because they just like the "not trying MSPaint aesthetic" and it's so retarded.

>>3739126
>>3739092
After I got tired of getting the lineart right, which was just because I wanted to do humans, I started drawing them like advanced stickmen without focusing so much on accuracy. Doing a few dozens of these got me even better acquainted with doing humans. All on Quickpose.

>>3739128
Can't a nigga just draw a picture of a cute animal without being a furry? Damn.

>>3739134
No. You can however go to this place called r/furry_irl. It's seems like the perfect place for a guy like you. Hope this helps!

>>3739041
You fucked it up. We are looking at the striking leg and punching bag from the side (at least if we consider how you drew the figure). Which means that at the point of impact this leg would be farther from us than the support leg. But the size of the leg tells us that it is much closer.

You also don't seem to know the stances and poses from which people kick - the body and especially shoulders are twisted too much to the right. Momentum should be going diagonally into the punching bag not trying to mess your own stance.

>>3739179
I fucked up the way he's facing big time. It was supposed to be similar to this picture (can't find the real one) so he's kicking at the camera but then he wouldn't be showing his butt like that, yep I got carried away

Right image is the reference I used from Albinus on Anatomy page 25.
Fucked up and started drawing way too close to the edge which caused me to want to rotate the right hand.
I took a picture of my hand and used it as reference to get a better idea of how the bones of the hand and forearm might look like.
Outside of that there are plenty of glaring issues. Torso being too long and skinny, Ilium's shape being fucked up, femur being shorter, etc.
I started drawing from the head instead of the waist, and I got waaaaay too into the rib cage to the point where I fucked up the overall shape of it.
Time to finished: Roughly an hour.
Feel free to break down what I did wrong more, would be much appreciated.

>>3739197
This picture too has a problem with a right arm - with a proper stance your shoulders would be almost straight which means that there is no way we will be looking at the right fist from the back - we should be looking at it mostly from the side.

>>3739120
Seriously though, I still want help with this ;_;

>>3739120
Just draw more

>>3738207
how are you learning anatomy? your source seems like it could be a lot better

>>3739122
It's a scan.

Loomis's mannekin (or however he spells it) feels to me like it's basically just drawing a skeleton instead of a full body. I'll practice that more but I don't really see how drawing that instead of an actual body is any easier if it isn't any easier to picture poses in your mind.

>>3739120
You do realize a regular $200 tablet can act as a drawing tablet, right? You just need a stylus and some software.

I don't know

>>3739282
You mean like an iPad or some shit? I don't think those have pressure sensitivity and I want a super good one hooked up to my computer. I don't care about drawing "on the go" or whatever.

Just used a tutorial on how to draw eyes for the first time today. Do i have potential /ic/?
I gotta fucking learn hair next because i am well aware of how bad the hair looks in this sketch.

>>3739078
Anime has turned your brain into mush.

okay is this looking better? and yes im going to be incessantly posting this

>>3739352
>Do i have potential /ic/?

>>3739372
Why did she cut her throat?

>>3739073
Did you do his beginner drawing course?

Get a shitty understanding of the whole body first, then do part by part.

You sound like you’re overanalyzing. Just draw, when you encounter a problem look at books/references. Do referenced drawings often. Stop stressing about it.

>>3739377
fucking Jesus meant to reply to >>3739063
I swear to god I clicked on the right post, iOS is fucking me over

I hope you dont mind me posting structures. Pic related is for a free game i'm making and it looks like 2 houses made a child. Does pic related cause eye cancer or is it passable?

>>3739372
Adding more shit to this wont fix it.

>>3739379
Look at pictures of real houses you want to emulate the style of and then try again. It looks like it was made by someone who saw a bunch of construction supplies for a house but hadnt actually seen a built house before. All the elements are there but it looks awkward and unfamiliar.

>>3739202
you need to measure. I was laughing real hard at how short the legs are and how long the arms are. But honestly the linework is real nice, it looks like measuring would fix 90% of this drawing. It could be worse.

>>3739374
[autistic screaming]

>>3739383
Makes sense. Kinda wish i quit on pic related earlier.

>>3739375
because im somewhat ripping off the idea from a ref that i convieniently dont have right now

>>3739380
i fixed the arms and shoulders and the rest of the figure checks out on design doll, the screenshot of which i also convieniently dont have right now. though i could probably do it on this app on my ipad

>>3738338
Did you watch the Proko video on Loomis head? Go back and watch it, you should be able to catch your mistakes by understanding the method which is explained well on the video.

Then do a lot of those heads. After you have seen the Proko video which explain Loomis method pretty well - go and do the heads. You have drawn three heads (?) in couple of days. You should be drawing couple of heads in 10 minutes. Do 3/4, side profile and full frontal view heads completely mixed, go back and forth. Couple of each and then switch. Do like 20 heads per day for week and see if you have improved. If you feel you aren't improving then watch the Proko video once per day and really focus on what he is saying. Don't start a five hour journey through YouTube watching all the videos. One proper one is enough and then practice.

It's really difficult to tell someone to start thinking in 3D. I personally had a lot of gains when I started doing some character sculpts in zBrush, it immediately affected my drawing. It helps me very much thinking of clay when I draw. During a drawing when I push the orbital sockets for eyes and mold the brow ridge into existence, I constantly think of doing it with my thumbs/knife on a block of clay (mind you I have never actually experienced with real clay irl). I hope you get the 3D vibes from the picture I attached.

--

For others, this is a three hour lecture, but the actual interesting part is from the beginning to about an hour. This is a free NMA (New Masters Academy) lecture with Steve Huston. It's quite nice freebie. It is standalone video so you don't need any related material to watch it. There are no cliffhangers. The video can compliment Loomis method after you have learned it. I have never been fond of Loomis method and have only done some Loomis heads for fun, I have always approached portraiture a bit more painterly. However this is the vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg

>>3739063

>>3739377

I'd say get an idea of figure drawing first (proportions and gesture). Draw quite few figures, then after you got some gesture and decent proportions start the studies of individual parts.

"Most important" parts - or let's say the parts that make the whole body look off if done wrong are the shoulders and pelvis. So it's a good idea to start from those. But then go back and forth - draw every other drawing just focusing on connection parts of the body (shoulders and pelvis) or just the torso itself (get that bean shape) - but do roughly every other or every third drawing of the whole figure. This is how you apply the learned knowledge on your drawings.

Do a lot of hands and feet. Don't try to hide them in the beginning, if you have no clue how to do them, don't spend too much time on them on figure drawings, just imply their existence with boxes or some line, but after you start doing the individual studies, start drawing hands and feet as well. ALL DIFFERENT SIZES - drawing 1:1 hand is easy but applying very small hand to a figure is a challenge. Gesture and construction is very important there.

>>3739380
>>3739388
bls be nice now

>>3739409
Why is she standing like that?

how badly did i fuck up

>>3739415
why not? its more of a lean/sit

>>3739415
>>3739452
like this

>>3739456
oops meant this for >>3739409

>>3739352
>>3739386
How long have you been drawing for?

>>3739374
Everyone does Anon, you just have to grind to realize it.

>>3739285
It is super adorable Anon really could use more shading to make it more alive.

>>3739462
Have fun grinding eyes and hair lol.

some suggestions, please?

>>3739092
>>3739097
watch and study real anatomy. Like literally look at your face and try to understand how the jaw works, the eyes, look that your nose is not a simple straight line,etc. Also try this video it may help you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBv5z0Y2odE . Dont stop at loomis i mean loomis is perfect but you could learn other techniques and combine them

What do you guys think ? Also does the pose in PS looks stiff or wrong ? I feel like it can be improved

>>3739484
Get someone who is not a jew to paint.

>>3739500
Some construction would do you good.

>>3739507
right. Good, constructive opinions. That's why I love 4chan

>>3739545
Pure hypocritical jew mentality right here.
"We should be allowed to say anything we want about the filthy goyim, but don't you DARE criticise us when we do it!"

>>3739250
I've mostly been looking through this one Japanese reference book I found. There isn't a lot of photo references though, I thought it wasn't a big deal but I guess I was wrong.

>>3739552
>>3739507
Fuck off and go back to /b.

>>3739948
you first

First digital thing ever.

>>3739484
Don’t change her skin tone like that
All Shading is interwoven with the whole picture

el oh vee ee

>>3729963
>Nazi poster
How about not posting the ideology for double digit IQ people and posting the superior one instead?

>>3739387
I think it's salvageable if you color the bottom part like the top part.

what happened to the other /beg/ thread?

Am I ready to start charging people actual money?