/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3689138
>he fell for the porn meme

>>3689138
High demand, but even higher supply. Porn used to be the go-to to make money as an artist, but the market is too saturated right now. Even five years ago you could still squeak out a good living with middling skill if you were willing to draw really extreme fetishes like gore and scat. Right now the only people making good money are the top 1% of porn artists.

>>3689138
I think porn is an essier niche to start into. As in, you could start a fresh blog, pick a niche like gay femboys or thicc cartoon girls or whatever, and you'd have decent commissions really fast. (I''ve done both and my personal experience was porn was easier to get into and I couldcharge like $80 for something that took me maybe 5 hours, which isn't much but its more than my sfw art)

Whereas doing more generic sfw art, even if it's good, will take a lot longer to start getting a small amount of commission offers.

I still think if you know exactly what market/niche you're going into, you can get coms either way.

>>3689144
>>3689147
Shit.

>>3689138
>Am I full of shit? Does everybody else already know this and I've been living under a rock?
I do not wish to be rude anon but I think you are full of shit. Porn is indeed a different thing but not necessarily worse, the market is bigger but also more saturated. Porn is about quantity instead of quality, porn is the "fastfood" of art that is the reality one must accept. Prices are indeed lower but the demand is still frequently there. You can get into porn way easier and specialize in fetishes, fandoms etc. you can get away with much much lesser quality work and doing 99% fanart only that doesn't require a lot of brainpower. It is completely possible because a lot of people just want sexy pictures of say their Wow characters or animu/videogame waifus or what have you. As time progresses new waifus come and the cycle continues. The downside is that you have to be constantly be throwing out content non stop and be ready to do some degenerate things but you are not forced to.

>I actually immersed myself in the culture of degeneracy I realized that these autistic, often picky and unappreciative candy-asses expect professional level artists to draw their waifus for 65 fucking dollars when the same artist could do he same amount of work and get a $200 commission from a tabletop gamer who genuinely respects and appreciates the work.
In my experience this is just flat out not true, there is really no difference between the two. There are shit people and decent people on both sides. People in the sfw market also frequently change their mind, try point out things you missed/did wrong, haggle and ask for discounts or deferred payment or payment alternatives like steam games or god forbid Deviantart points. Furthermore even if you are sfw, some people will still try to get your for weird fetishes that is considered safe for work like transformation or pregnancy etc. even if you put it into your commission sheet that you do not do porn or nsfw.

>professional level artists

post some examples of this "professional level" work

>>3689205
>>3689205
OP here, thanks for that. I seriously don't have more than minimal impressions from either side, and I am 100% full of it. I only drew vanilla porn which I understand is highly competitive.

Do you work professionally? Lewd, sfw, or both?

>>3689267
yeah but did anybody pay?

>>3689138
Very few make money out of it and those who do tend to phase out of doing commissions and into Patreon and the like. You probably got meme'd by the furry pics such as this one
>>3689267
This isn't a real viable business though. This is just a few autists predating on even bigger autists. There's only a handful of people willing to pay that much for garbage, that should be obvious, and it's not good to try to sell people on that idea.
Those who do pay good prices also tend to be terrible clients and think their money entitles them to far more than it does. You're signing up for having some very weird clients. Clients that can be aggressive or just weird like they actually want to be your friend and form a relationship with you along with a bunch of other weirdos.
It's just a bunch of autistic weirdos paying pennies to a bunch of unhappy unprofessional artists.
As someone who has been in there for years out of absolute necessity for the money the best advise I can give you is to do absolutely anything else.
You may get the same amount of money or even lower working for low tier tabletop startups but it should at least leave you with your sanity.

Are there any decent artists who go into porn because they genuinely want to? I have a non-art job, so the money isn’t a driving factor for me. I just genuinely am a degenerate and want to draw porn but it makes me sad to think of my peers are there out of necessity.

>>3689406
>Are there any decent artists who go into porn because they genuinely want to?
The overwhelming majority go into it because they want to. They go into it because they want to see their sexual fantasies realized, getting money for it is just a secondary thing. Some get to the point where it becomes their job but that is not the majority.

>>3689138
I see being a porn artist like a trap, there is a lot of easy money to be made and it looks like it constrains a lot of genuine talent into making just jerk-off nothingness content. Its like a professional chef flipping burgers at McDonald's. Hampering an artists skills and abilities by locking them into and rewarding them for being pigeon holed.

>But X artist drew porn and look at them now!!!
This is an insanely ignorant loaded statement that misunderstands some key things about art. It is important to acknowledge a distinction between erotic art and pornography. an example, a "tasteful" nude of a woman that respects the natural beauty of form versus an up close shot of the engorged anus of a fox demon being impregnated by tentacles. The artistic value of either of these is always debatable but the subsequent reaction from your future employers is most likely not going to be.
This isn't an argument about what should be but rather what is, and it is that most peoples perception of you is going to be damaged with a reputation of drawing porn. Imagine working at McDonald's all your life and then applying too work at an elite five star restaurant and all your competition has been building up an arsenal of skills of and wide expertise while you just have been making McDoubles. Its not that your bad its just that you've spent ten years making shit for obese boomers to gobble on their lunch breaks, likewise commissioned porn is just shit for loser neckbeards to make cummies to.

>>3689138
It's a double edged sword.

If you're good and want some anonymous cashflow, go for it.

If you're willing to work with REALLY niche fetishes, you'll find appreciation for being a content creator but you'll also have a fairly small market if you only stay within a small sphere of fetishes.

>>3689406
I went into it because I wanted to and because the specific thing I like didn't really get a lot of decent smut. After doing it for a while with ok success I've been slowly getting bored of smut and trying to go for stuff with a bit more substance, and that pretty much killed my following.

>>3689393
>I only drew vanilla porn which I understand is highly competitive.
It is an oxymoron to say this but I say try to find areas and fetishes you enjoy, that you can sink into with a clear conscience. Then your own arousal will be able propel you forward and give you the strength you need to press on.

>Do you work professionally? Lewd, sfw, or both?
Sadly not, I've been trying but moving over to pro is much harder than I thought. I have seen some and learned from friends some from art friends. Of all the people I ever did nsfw (for note I didn't do too much) there was only one that was a true childish asshole the rest were decent and patient people. The thing is I was never trying to buddy up and befriend my clients, like going into their discords or chatting and stuff, I kept it distant and 'business only' maybe I could have had more clients if I wouldn't have. It is possible that if you get more popular you get more of the bad apples too. But take this from me even in sfw you are not immune to idiots and assholes.

Hey, what are some interesting SFW things to draw?
I'm uncreative so I only like drawing porn I like. I would like to branch out somewhat, but I'm a boring person with no ideas.

>>3689147
So what's left if porn isn't viable anymore?

>>3689395
Of course. All his pieces like this fill up in a couple days.

>>3689489
Read some books

>>3689489
Ask /tg/

>>3689267
Does anyone else remember that fourty thousand furry porn commission?

I get a more steady demand of porn commissions, safe for work is rare and doesn't seem as profitable as a industry to me unless you are some professional game designer.
Most safe for work commissions also seem to be at a lower price than porn, which is also another reason why I wouldn't want to bother.
I don't know, porn just seems like easier money for me

>>3689716
I will try my hardest to muster some kind of interest in high fantasy and scifi.

>>3689727
Closest I can remember is the $8600 bidding war between someone's futa bunny girl and normal furry... and also fuck you for making me remember that

>>3689489
Illustrate stories

>>3689752
>inb4 high fantasy scifi porn

>>3689758
I couldn't do it. There is nothing more boring to me than elven and alien races that have little aesthetic appeal and no personality, which makes up the bulk of fantasy/scifi content. Rather, I should just say that it doesn't appeal to me personally enough to porn it. Not the right vibe.

Based ruskie here. I think americans are debils. You create some absolutely stupid reasons not to draw porn, and I think it's because you've been constantly brainwashed by religion, peer pressure, morality, etc. You need to get off high horse and stop smelling your own farts, using words like "degeneracy" and "autistic" like you aren't some fedora tipping neckbeard stroking his dick on traps everyday. When you lie about your high standarts the only person you're lying to is yourself: you aren't involved in high art, most of you don't even like to draw for fun, you do it for social media likes/favs and other stupid shit. And I know a lot of ruskies who draws porn and gets 300$ per drawing, OP statement about 65$ is full of shit. Money is money, and money don't smell.

>>3689406
Nesskain, Blizzard professional artist. Draws bara porn for fun.

>>3689763
You really should get on /tg/. Your world view is so limited it's just sad.
Or you could read Eclipse Phase as a softer and less mind shattering option.

>>3689763
I just want to point out I'm not the other guy-what DO you like? Does it have underlying themes, and what sort of it do you like?

>>3689147
I'm actually glad about this, I never wanted to draw porn but always had it in the back of my head as an emergency plan. Now I'm not even tempted anymore.

>>3689920
That guys full of shit though, I make a decent living off porn art and I'm not close to the 1%, I'm not even that good
I have no idea what he's talking about

>>3689154
This. If you pick a niche community and spam stuff on it, youll get noticed and people will want what you have.

>>3689756
more like this anon!

>>3689406
Being able to make my ideas into porn is the single reason I'm trying to draw.

>>3689431
>Hampering an artists skills and abilities by locking them into and rewarding them for being pigeon holed.
Porn isn't about drawing stick figures, y'know. Making a high quality piece requires extensive knowledge of anatomy and perspective, lighting, value. In short it teaches exactly what any other character related drawing would teach you.
I would like you to tell me at which point exactly drawing porn 'constrains a lot of genuine talent'.

>The artistic value of either of these is always debatable but the subsequent reaction from your future employers is most likely not going to be.
Despite of taking pen name being the oldest trick in the book, I don't see why some people act as if there is no solution for this quite common problem.

>likewise commissioned porn is just shit for loser neckbeards to make cummies to
I guess you can set your goals as high or low as you want. You may not be employed by big entertainment company to draw porn, but as a matter of fact more people who watch porn than not. There is a lot of space for exploration and development in explicit art concerning sexual acts.

>>3689138
>not drawing beautiful, high-brow smut

>>3690138
Welp, I'm back on the bandwagon

>>3689147
can anybody confirm this?

>>3690162
It's not true at all that only the 1% makes money, but you do have to work harder generally especially when it comes to promoting yourself to have a chance to even remotely stand out

>>3690191
theres still plenty of room in the super degenerate shit, im talking vore scat stuff or whatever that turbo degenerate white kitten is after but you're looking into the abyss with that

>>3690138

The art is lovely, but you couldn't ever post that stuff with your name attached to it if you have any semblance of a family and network. Unless you're a nip, ofcourse.

>>3690138
Does anyone actually fap to ‘porn-art?’ I agree it’s beautiful, but it doesn’t turn me on.

>>3690230
depends

>>3690236

Is this digital art that has been printed and scanned? There's a subtle grain/texture to it

>>3690236

>>3690162
It is full of shit.

>>3690254
The splotches around her calf/knee area incline me to say yes

>>3689974

>>3689138
Draw what you're enjoying or in the mood for dumbfuck

>>3689590
find other job if you want to get pay well
or get really good at drawing and painting then you can make money whether porn, youtube, freelance, online teacher etc, etc

it will be a meme if this site works since everyone will just commission superior nip artists if they can

https://skeb.jp/

>>3689931
Unironically post art or blog please, I've been very interested in making money off art and have considered porn comms. I need to know exactly how good I need to be and how much I can charge for said level

>>3691182
Don't look at just 1 artist. Surf (what's left of) tumblr for a little while and look up dozens of comm pages.

>>3691182
>I need to know exactly how good I need to be and how much I can charge for said level
/aco/ commision thread, someone posted the link last time this question came up
>>>/aco/2784327
Turns out you can make money off porn even if you're pretty /beg/

>>3692397

Why the would any self respecting artist want to post their work in that place filled with entitled commissioners who expects art for thirld world rates and crabs lashing out at the competition?

>>3692408
They're idiots.
Probably have bad reading comprehension, too

>>3692408
>Why the would any self respecting artist want to post their work in that place filled with entitled commissioners who expects art for thirld world rates

Cause it's centralized and more convenient than a roadless way to making money out there, spamming emails and whatnot

(not saying it's right, but since I'm /beg/, that's how I understand things)
Same for Upwork and stuff.

>>3689489
what kind of things do you like? what are your favourite books or movies or games? do something like that

>>3690905
But some people make a living of it and aren't really good. They just have aspeciality, like teaching, webcomics, etc

>>3689138
I think it's digital art in general. Especially manga-based. There's an unlimited supply so demand is low. If you won't do it for cheap, someone else will.

Part of the value in drawing/painting for a living is the idea that what you are selling is one of a kind and can't be had elsewhere. Too many people are overmarketing and then wondering why they're art isn't in high demand. If I can get it at walmart, why travel to saks? There are plenty of artists that specialize in erotica that are making fat money because there is a limited number of platforms they sell on. Consider selling only prints. If you are at the skill level to be making this complaint, you should do fine and may even have better luck selling original stuff in the analog world.

There are ways to make everything marketable. Making them limited makes them more valuable.

>>3693888

All of this is interesting but

>Consider selling only prints.

Considering the era we live in, if you don't have a social presence and post work regulary, most people will lose interest.

Otherwise your analysis seems spot on, and I' say if you're not someone with decent skills and big social/marketing skills, the only way to make things work (if you don't expect to make a shitton of money) would be to let go of filters and make something unique? (if you still have decent skills, that is).
So at least it attract the viewer's eye in the mass of samestuff.

I'm still /beg/ but that would be my plan : make fanarts in a unique, or more realistically not overdone style, and then attract people to more original work later on (+ Youtube tutorials/vlog and stuff), like a webcomic, artbook...