/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3686009
ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stanislav Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

Could someone tell me what I'm doing wrong here? Particularly the one on the right, I can't seem to get the arms right.

Not drawn from imagination, used a reference.

>>3686045
well clearly the shoulders are way too big.

>>3686045
Just on the right or on all of them?

>>3686055
Blegh, that's what I suspected. I also thought it was just the arms that were too long.

>>3686045
the right one's proportions are off. The arms and shoulders are way to big, I get it is stylized cartoonish but still.

Keep these guidelines in mind, when standing straight the elbow almost matches the line of the bottom of the ribs. This does not change when the person takes up a different pose so try to keep them in mind as guidelines. Foreshortening and perspective can fuck with the measurements but try not to stray too far from them unless you know it.

The the widest point of the hips are located at the crotch where the vag is cause you know, child birthing needs to have the space. This does not change when the hips are tilted a person's legs must compensate fr the change of distance to the ground also tilts with the hip.

Finally the navel is generally around the upper part/top of the hip line. The navel position tends to change from person to person for various reason like gender, being fat or just genetics but generally if there is no sagging fat belly it is roughly there.

>>3686078
Thank you! Very helpful. I did not know about that widest point of the hip bit.

is this okay? I can't tell
I just want a decent base and move on, it's for costume design

>>3686101
Boring pose but seems fine. What kind of costume? The pose can influence the costume's effect.

>>3686115
generic rogue/thief, she's gonna hold a knife or something

>>3686101
>>3686127
the bent forward head gives the impression that he/she is embarrassed or shy or something. This feels like a bit contradicting of someone who lives from evading the law. I would make him/her more cocky and confident that holds the head high to show the confidence.

The pose pushes to the left with the hand on the hip so I shifted his weight on the left side leg to balance it out and make him look stand more casually.

Also I changed the hand a bit, this is how I would balance something on my finger if my theory is connect and he is balancing a knife on it. If not then just go with what you originally had.

I'm doing lots of gesture drawing, is there a way to quickly figure out which leg is bearing the most weight when studying from masters/photos ?

I have an Instagram page and basically, I don't have a problem with "what" to upload but rather "how" to upload it.
I think i have saturated myself with practicing realism, anime, cartoony-chibi and pixel art, and not getting anywhere with any of them, sometimes I forget what I'm doing and they merge making me feel uneasy, and I really, really don't know what to do about it.

Thoughts?

>>3686232
>>3684575

>>3686234
Nice memes anon, here is the (You) you wished for.

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but are there any good books on the design of filigree or scrollwork?

how is this? i dont know if im doing this 'adding light values' right

>>3686232

lines are too chickenscratchy
eyes are too low on face

Any advice on the pose? I put 2 waist lines and leg lines there because I can't decide how would the torso work. She's supposed to have a skirt so I could wing it since it'll be covering everything but I wanna do it right. I'm also not sure on the perspective but that's minor

>>3686271
You should be more worried about drawing right now, anon. Draftmanship. Being accurate and confident with the lines you make etc.

>>3686375
>>3686234

>>3686009
I had a chink rebranded tablet that had only 1 good thing: it was around 1 and half of a5 size. But generally it was inaccurate, 16:9 back when screens were 4:3 or 4:5 (mine was), required battery and had no buttons driving me mad as a left handed person and I hated drawing with it.

Now school forced me to have a term of PS drawing and I want to buy a tablet that'd be cheap in my 3rd world.

The choice is narrow:

Wacom One S CTL-471
Wacome One M
Wacom Intuos S CTL4100KN (these 2 cost the same amount)

Huion H640P
Huion H950P (almost twice as much)

Is it even possible to draw in the small space of 15x9?
>Also I'm poor so Huions are tempting, but I already had bad experiences with chinese devices. I also want them to work with win11 (if there will be one) and obscure apps like autodesk sketchbook or kirita or 3D modeling and other memes for weird people like me.

>>3686009
just set up my tablet and csp . literally feels like im drawing with pencil with tilt enabled

>>3686406
I bought a huion h610p last year and it's been alright but I've had a small Wacom (very similar to the Intuos S but I don't remember the exact model) lent from school before and that was so fucking bad I never even bothered to try using it.
Honestly if you're gonna buy a wacom don't cheap out on it, and if you wanna cheap out just buy a huion.
I can tell you at least huion has worked with all the apps I've thrown at it and I've never had any problems with the drivers not picking up input (unlike the school wacom I had which regularly forgot that pressure sensitivity exists).

>>3686406
new huion h1060p support tilt and huge pressure sensitivity honestly it cost like cheapest wacom tablets, but its almost the quality of intuos pro which cost 200-250usd

How to set up photoshop so you can draw good lines while zoom out by tablet?

>>3686455
>a wacom don't cheap out on it,
The ones I listed are the only ones within my budget and available in my country.
>>3686478
Not available here.

>>3686510
>not available here
aliexpress? gearbest? ever been to /csg/ my man?

>>3686518
>ever been to /csg/ my man?
ever been to "shipping expensive stuff" means losing that stuff or paying fees that'd double the price?
/csg/ is OK for buying cheap "woodless" charcoal and penliners not for my savings of few months.

>>3686234
I dunno man, I drew the OP and I also drew >pic related

I think it has more to do with mileage and figuring things out. Drawing realistic portraits isn't helping much.

Is it required / recommended to do regular painting before getting into digital one?

>>3686527
no, but it IS recommended to try digital painting with a single layer and without excessive use of ctrl+z.

I got tired and couldn't figure out the shading so I guess now it's a scar or something.

I'm reading through Figure Drawing for All Its Worth, and I wanted to know if the 7/8 head thing is more about knowing each proportion and being able to eyeball it rather than map out everything every time.

>>3686205
I have the sqme problem. Please help

>>3686271
stop shitposting

How often do you guys just say fuck it and use a ruler for straight lines?

>>3686566
I never map that stuff out, just make sure you remember whats important like ears match nose, hip bones, etc

I'm starting to learn to draw and have a drawing tablet. Would tracing some photos as detailed as possible help me to get a hang of using my tablet and eye coordination? I won't post the traced shit anywhere, it's just for practice.

repostan since last thread died. Looking for general critiques. Currently studying Drawabox and Keys to Drawing but feel like I've hit a brick wall with Dodson at chapter 4 because I think it assumes some sketching/still life experience and I have none. Will probably switch to Loomis for a bit. Thoughts?

Anime is a meme (please help)

>>3686506
>file
>preferences
>system utilities
>hardware acceleration
>git gud accelerator
>switch on
>set to Max settings
>apply
Keep both your hands on the tablet after you hit apply. The photoshop gods will electronically shock the git gud particles of all the masters into your very hands. It may sting a bit and can cause your computer to overheat but it’s worth it.

Nice attempt at drawing from what I se. Any critique would be good

Am I allowed to post NSFW for critique here or do I need to censor it?

heres my pc from a dnd highschool compaign

>>3686855
Yes, this is a nsfw board.

>>3686864
Thank you. In that case, can I get a CC on this before I clean up the lines?

>>3686873
looks okay to me, i mean, i'm a rookie too but for me this looks nice, maybe other people here could give you a better critique than me

Any crits?
Lines are disgusting I know, will clean it up after
I don’t know if I should change the orientation of the whole thing

>>3686873
Maybe have her do something with her arms? Like slightly raised in the air or something, it will look a bit more natural I think

>>3686960
I like the atmosphere!

How was everyone's day?

>>3686994

>>3686994
didnt do shit wasted my day again

>>3687014
Tomorrow is a new day friend. Keep your head up.

>tfw NGMI
>tfw don’t even want to continue practicing when I’m so terrible at it to start with

>>3686523
>_ _________ ____ ___ ___ _____ __ ____

>>3687034
I’m a brain dead retard and even I managed to escape /beg/. The only people who can’t escape are those who give up so never give up anon. Keep drawing. Keep growing.

>>3686974
I like it!
Something about the left buttcheek perspective looks a little off to me, but that's a nice ass regardless.

nice work anon

i cant draw faces

>>3686527
painting no, but drawing yes

>>3686820
focus on drawing skills before you shade the hell out of everything

>>3686974
Pretty gud anon!

>>3687034
Well isn't kind of the point of practicing to be less terrible about it? :P

does this look too stiff at all? i physically did the pose in the mirror, and did some back & forth to make sure i was drawing the right lines and feet placement. i know anatomy, but to have added it here, it probably wouldve made it "static". and i made sure to flip to make sure it was consistent.

>>3687298

>>3687057
>>3687242
Thanks guys!
Yeah I’m bad at butts, I’ll see if I can fix it

>>3686820
Anon, please plan your drawings before you commit to your details on this one the lines of the body is very much out of symmetry and the perspective. You did try to do the perspective at some places but you missed many other places. Keep an eye out for that. I also suggest you do some gesture practice for like 20-30 minutes doing a gesture in 1 minute or 90 seconds You can do this at the Quickposes website in the sticky, try to do it every day or every 2 days for a week or two and you will see improvement on how to draw a full standing body.

>>3687014
Hey, I’m just starting again after like a four-month break cause I’m lazy. You’re probably doing better than me.

>>3687198
I would say just keep practicing and see if you can find a method that suits you. (Loom is, Hampton, Steve Huston lectures, etc) Trace a bunch of real people heads (not just outlines, the underlying construction too), it helps. Don’t get too caught up in it though.

>>3687299
Looks a lil off balance? And yeah it’s kind of stiff
Cute tho

>>3687324
fuck me, I flipped it too much so my writing is mirrored sorry about that.

>>3687326
thanks. i'll loosen it up a bit.

Where am I going wrong? I feel like something's off but can't work out what it is...

>>3687394
I don't know anon I think that is fucking awesome, what are you even doing at the /beg/ thread?

What's the rule of thumb on making stylized/realistic eyes on a rotating head?

I'm trying to learn perspective but it's kind of confusing to me. I read that all objects have the same vanishing point but then I read from another source that each object in a room has their own vanishing point. Which one is it? Do they only have the same vanishing point if they're next to each other or something?

>>3687413
if they have the same orientation then they have the same vanishing point. If they’re facing different directions then they have different VPs

Do you guys think that drawing portraits from reference is a waste of time. I tried to do 1 every day for a month but after a month I didn't really see any improvements

>>3687413
two parallel lines have the same vanishing point. there are infinity vanishing points.

Okay.... I think it's easy enough to draw BUILDINGS in perspective, but what about fucking PEOPLE/CHARACTERS??

Do you have to draw the body shapes as squares and rectangles, then draw lines to the vanishing points, or what?

How do you put lines that AREN'T a straight line into perspective?

>>3687433
We can only tell if we can see the first and last ones. The "post your art" memes aside. Also if you are new then there are very few things that are truly a waste of time. Just drawing basic lines or circles will help your hand eye coordination and making more confident lines.

>>3687456
that's a meme imo
you make figures in perspective with practice, experience and a trained eye
using cubes is more confusing that anything else
ie just draw the fucking owl or be born with talent

>>3687418
>>3687441
Thanks for the help! I understand it now

>>3687460
I don't see how it's a joke....

>>3687456
This is where skill comes to play anon. No, you do not need to draw everything in a square and rectangle if you draw maximum pixel perfect and accurate 3D humans. You are not a 3D engine and you are not suppose to be either.

You need to be able to approximate the body's part in perspective in a believable way. You need to know approximately how they change from different viewpoints.and use your mind to portray it in a believeable way. You do not need to measure everything you can eyeball it after enough practice, the basic plains however need to be in place for which the basic measurements will help you, once you get that down filling in the rest becomes easier.

>>3687464
Meme doesn't equal joke

>>3687471
What other way is there to take what you said as a joke when you said "that's a meme imo"

>>3687471
isnt a meme a recurring joke?

>>3687470
This is from the book "Drawing Comics The Marvel Way"

>>3687470
See what I mean?

It doesn't say anything about drawing each squared off line to the vanishing point in the book, but they have LINES heading to there??

What's the deal here?

>>3687482
Forgot to attach screenshot in that post....

I tried to do this study with some random color gradient as the color. What should I improve in terms of shape design and lighting?

>>3687507
Maybe you could actually pay attention to the shapes in the ref in the first place?

>>3687507
i really like this anon.

>>3687482
The point of those lines is is to establish the basic perspective of the figure. They pick out a vanishing point somewhere based on how they want the figure to be positioned and then build the figure based upon that using their art knowledge.

They are dong this because different perspective give a different feeling to the observer. Perspective is used as a compositional too and storytelling tool in the comic books.
For example on this >>3687483

Magneto on he top left is showing looking downwards at the viewer which puts him above them which implies s a position of dominance: He is looking down and holds his hand out which further show a dominant position. He is drawn like this for a good reason, probably teh story is at point where he is the villain and has defeated the heroes.

Black Panther(I assume) on the right is crouching and looking upwards, which gives the viewer the feeling of him being unease, he is crouching so he is probably hiding and he is looking upwards instead of forwards meaning his attention is about looking around, probably he is worried about being seen.

Dr Strange (I guess), below is showing in forward and lengthened perspective. His face and hands are closer and his feel at far away which implies that he is flying or jumping towards something since he is floating, it gives the feeling of speed. He even holds his hand out so he wants to grab something maybe.

In all of these perspective is used as a compositional tool and storytelling too. It is to convey the intention of the picture, the story towards the viewer.

>>3687509
I don't see it Anon, he is doing well, what do you mean?

>>3686045
More random practice poses

>>3687518
youve heard of balloon tits, now get ready for

>>3687507
symbol drawing

>>3687552
nice memes anon, here is you (You)

no more art book threads on /ic/ ? or is there just no thread atm

>>3687566
Did you even look for it?

>>3666892

>>3687509
>>3687511
>>3687517
>>3687552

So am I being trolled or what??? I'm confused. Help me!

>>3687507
How long did this take?

>>3687588
Many hours and failed attempts -_-

>>3687591
Well if its any consolation I think it looks very good. I'm just a beginner though

>>3687596
It is, thank you.

>>3687585

Hi >>3687517 here, I think it is pretty solid Anon, well done, you seriously got some good shit going! Keep it up!

Tell me what i can work on anonitos.

what are the cheapest sketchbooks to buy on ebay?

>forgot to draw for the third day in a row
i am never ever going to make it

>>3687774
And what?

What can I do to make my drawings more feminine?

>>3687800

>>3687800
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPmdVnETGpc

How does this look?

Can anyone recommend a channel or artist that goes over drawing basic lines like draw a box but actually shows their arm moving instead of a computer courser?

>>3686009
HERRO MY NAME STAN REE

>>3687774
Just draw dumbass. Eventually you'll reach a comfy zone where you know to take some days off.

where can I find figures to study?

>>3687921
Ungrip your dick and check your hand.

Perspective drawing I did. I fucked up the circular base of the computer (not used to drawing circles at an angle?), but tips? Criticisms?

>>3687941

of full ppl :/

>>3687950

>>3687962
can relate

How do i work with pencils, just tried this and it looks awful. I normally draw with pens but i have no idea how to handle pencils correctly

gesture studies
pls rate

>>3687394
neck is way too small and in the wrong place. think about how it attaches to the head

>>3687394
Neck looks unnatural
It's too "stick"

>>3687329
TY for the advice, I pretty much just looked at an anime image and tried to copy it exactly. Still not skilled enough to draw like this it seems.

>>3687989
you need to loosen stuff up more. spend less time drawing the body and more time capturing movement and lines in your figure

>>3687823
Head is too big, left arm is too long and compare your legs to the reference - the right thigh is almost vertical while yours is clearly not - as a result the left leg is also in a different position.

>>3687394
Looks good
Try to look into the color zones of the face. Also look into the planes of the eye.
Good Luck!

>>3688026
You can draw like that just keep the shapes in mind, make a sketch then take a break and then check the lines. then you can get into the refined details.

I know it feels like a chore to do the sketching and examination thing. We all just want to jump straight into the drawing and do everything at one go cause that is the fun part. But for that you need a hell lot of mileage. It is never a shame to plan and sketch.

Keep at it Anon!

>>3687953
quickposes, croquis cafe (on youtube), pose books in artbook thread, I sometimes go on sharkcookie’s Instagram for gestures.

>inb4 pedo
I am femanon in high school go away

>>3688041
wtf there are females here?
thanks btw

Huion Inspiroy H1060P or Wacom Intuos

>>3688043
No anon, the ages old wisdom dictates that there are no girls on the Internet.

So I'm thinking of buying a drawing tablet so I can practice drawing during break at work. (Got a good computer and everything.) I've tried learning how to draw some time ago for like 1-2 years but I never got anywhere so I'm pretty much a beginner in all aspects. My question is, which tablet should I go for? I don't want cutting edge technology but I'd also rather not buy the cheapest shit and get frustrated from using it and never touch the tablet again. From my own research, Wacom Intuos M seems like the best bang for my buck, but I'm wondering if it's worth doubling that money to get a Intuous Pro instead? Anyone used both to know if it'd be worth it for an amateur drawing for just 30-40 minutes a day? (The extra money does sting a bit which is why I'm asking, if I was rich I'd just go for the largest intuous pro.)

>>3688049
thats because there aren't, it's just guys and guys on HRT

Cheers mates

>>3687950
I did this... i even used Loomis

>>3688119
this is pretty, dare i say, based

>>3687482
Draw your character without perspective.
Draw a box around your character.
Make note of where everything is relative to the box, i.e. chest takes 80% of the breadth of the box, etc.
Draw a box in perspective.
Fill in box with character, with all features positioned relative to box.

stupid tablet keeps double-clicking and connecting my lines

how do i fix this? wacom bamboo

while it keeps happening i cannot do ANY art

>>3688195
But, what MAKESSS it based anon?
Eh?

Can I get some critique on the pose?

I am a fraud.
I draw hours and hours, and I love drawing so it's essentially a time warp anytime I pick up a pen to draw, and I never notice the time go by.
I am a fraud because I never learned shit, I brute force my way, so to speak, and repeat lines over and over until I draw a good line. If not for digital drawing, I would never cut it as an artist, because I couldn't be able to erase that often.
I have seen artists draw things almost on the first try every time and have a good grasp of the fundamentals but I just can't cut it. I can't even draw a circle.
If I spend 10 hours on some drawing it comes out " ok " and "decent" as in, matching the meager level of what a real artist may scribble on a napkin one drunken night with his opposite drawing hand.
I am trying to read loomis books and when he mentions spacing being the main trick to make shapes resemble real things, my heart ached because I feel like my brain understands it but my hands can't put it to paper. I love this hobby, I am passionate about it, but it pains me to draw, for I am forced to confront my failure as an artist with every stroke and every crooked, messy line my hand vomits out. Some buddies of mine are kindhearted and tell me it isn't that awful, but I can tell they know it's not good as much as I do. When a drawing comes out "ok", I consider it "getting lucky" and I can post it momentarily and then I delete it forever in shame of having created a disgusting wretch of a connection of lines. I know I am now a fraud and I wish to one day become less of a fraud.
Anyone else feel this way?

First attempt at practicing proper proportions (using Keys to Drawing and the ''find the midpoint'' technique). Any tips and feedback on getting proportions right would be greatly appreciated. Used a blue ballpoint pen and uniball vison.

Could someone redline this shit? I asked for crit in the stylization thread but I still can’t figure out how to fix the anatomy myself

>>3688316
shoulder seems off

I think the arm is too long, but does this look okay, otherwise?

>>3687987
Post some of your pen work

Something feels odd about shadowing

>>3688303
restarting the wacom service from services.msc fixed it for me.
i also had to have a downloaded version of the driver instead of the one that comes with the tablet

>>3688383
other than the weird dragon head, I think it's pretty good. After doing the pose myself, the arm length seems to be on point.

Not sure if the left leg on the back can support the body tho

>>3688329
Head is too small and more round than model, face is scrunched together as a result. Nose is too stubby and shoulders are too broad and straight. The left side of the belt is too low and to the right creating a domino effect of making her back thinner, her ass lop-sided and left leg too thin at the knee.
Also you used a pen.

I'd recommend starting with a guideline of the body to measure it's proportions before beginning to add details, if you get the size wrong on one thing it can effect the balance of the entire drawing. You need to take your time with the foundation and build on to it, patience and precision is key and if you rush for the final product it's going to show.

>>3688335
Right upper arm and torso are both too short.
If you raise your arm above your head you can see that your upper arm is long enough to wrap your elbow over your head, meaning in this position her right arm would be further to the left and her body would be more slightly twisted towards us. Her belly is too short, making it look like her hips are connected to her ribs. People are typically pretty long, and your wrist should reach down to your private area.
Try to imagine the person you're drawing in different positions and you'll get the hang of it.
Pic for reference.

Drawing Loomis changes you man.. am I doing it right anons

>>3688457
Yeah I did do this in less than an hour, and the book did suggest pencil or charcoal, so I'll aim for that next time.

>>3686960
>bridge has nice, dark shadow
>nothing else does

Consistency, my dude. Why don't the figures have strong, defined shadows like the bridge does?

>>3687518
If it werent for the mega cowtits your overall figure would look very good. The lower body is very nicely shaped

>>3686045
All of your faces are on point man, especially the middle on. Good job!

>>3687394
Looks really soft/ low contrast. Try making your values bolder and more separate from each other. It is a good idea to look at the image in black and white to see what your values are like.

Either way I like the picture and if it is a stylistic choice that is fair enough

Confused man. Am I doing Loomis right

>>3688641
Focus on getting the construction and angles down first
And I mean like literally fill 10 pages with nothing but half-constructed heads from different angles

>>3686009
Can someone tell me how that shading effect on stans face is done?
Im a complete dildo who doesnt even draw and has no business holding a pencil but i tried to draw a face like that a while back and have no idea how they get that effect

>>3688622
>>3688601
Thanks a ton, means a lot.

I try to do these figure drawings everyday and after awhile it gets boring so occasionally I like to give the female figures huge tits and males huge dicks just for fun.

>>3688658
I used 2H followed by 2B, used a Staedler Mars Carbon 2mm led pencil. I first apply the shades with the side of the lead and then I blend the shades using a q-tip. I clean and fix errors with a kneaded eraser and create white lines with a mono zero eraser.

I've tried homemade blending stumps and other tools but q-tips seem to work and are very cheap and one can be used for multiple drawings. I'm still figuring out how to get the hair done.

6 years of on and off drawing and I really feel like I'm just not getting it. I just want to draw cute girls.

>>3688744
Are you using refs for these?

>>3688408
Not a beginner! Go to the /draw/ thread with the other pros!
>>3683230

>>3688329
I don' have time to crit the pic but I just want to tell you that it is great that you started to work from refs keep it up. Goodspeed Anon!

>>3688840
Yes from

https://www.quickposes.com/en/gestures/timed

I meant to post the ref alongside those two but I accidentally shut down SAI before I could save them. You can probably find the refs there if you are looking for them.

>>3686009
WIP is the structure ok

>>3688880
The eyes look strange, maybe it's due to the assymetriacality or the distance between the two

>>3688884
yeah thought so

>>3688841
No entirely sure about that brother, my other posts are

>>3683370
>>3684029
>>3684099
>>3685495

I feel the harder I try to render it, the worse my figure sketch looks. Especially my crosshatch is just awful. How to fix it?

any advice on how to shadow?

>suck at color
>but get kind of better after studying
>use photoshop
>switch to procreate
>color wheel is super fucking different
>wtf cant find colors for shit
>regress

im not going to fucking make it

>>3688880
that nose is way to big. its like literally almost as wide as her lips

>>3688880
to answer your question — your values are still too light and she looks a bit muddy. push them further, pic related

>>3688942
don't render in 15 minutes

>come out of comfort zone
>complete shit
tired

>>3689104
that is the point Anon, there is only shit outside your comfort zone, at least that is the only thing you see. The reason is to keep throwing shit into your own face until your comfort zone says "Okay this isn't that bad I can live with this"

Do it! Keep going! Just keep going! Just do it!

>>3687394
looks like she is slowly becoming a waffle

I've been cracking my head all afternoon trying to solve the values, but I can't seem to move forward.
Any material suggestions would be appreciated.

>>3689222
sorry, wrong layer on that picture.

>>3689222
>>3689224
ear is WAY too high

rip stan lee

>>3688316
there is nothing to critique, it is just a bunch of nonsense. it's not a person, it's some sort of cat monster. knees aren't connected to upper half of the leg, no feet, fingers are coming out of the wrist, the chest is a circle. it's a doodle, you didnt try. make a real effort to draw a functional body of some sort then someone can critique it

How do I through any beginner drawing book?

Just read it or actually try to draw stuff till I gitgut at these drawings?
How do I tackle the The New Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, if I sort of read it, I try to not draw symbols anymore, still end with too symbolic stuff once in a while and I can't draw empty spaces as in they always end crooked and stretched?

>>3689224
because you didn't construct... and you're not thinking in terms of 3D forms... blocking values is the easiest part

>>3689236
Hmm, if you're asking these questions in the first place I recommend you learn how to learn.

A good exercise in this is to open up a notepad and write down these questions and try to answer them yourself.

It's fine to ask questions on specifics but this is a very broad question and you need to be able to answer it yourself or you won't make it far.

>>3689236
You just need to practice enough to understand the concept that it's trying to get across, after that you need to start applying those concepts into your studies from life.

>>3689236
of course you have to draw the stuff you lunatic. you think you can just read a book and you will be able to draw when you're done?

>it looks bad
figure out what is wrong with it and try again

>>3689236
>Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain
That entire school of thought is a hack. It teaches the same ideas as normal art does but only teaches you to observe and copy what you see very carefully instead of understanding it. Plus the idea is from 1979, it has been long proven that the left and right brain sides do not work that way, they always work together (unless they are surgically separated) especially during careful observation, which this school of thought puts the emphasis on. Both sides of the brain are active even during the movement of either arms.

>>3689241

Thanks man!

>>3689246
>practice
is a meme invented by the naturally gifted who enjoy drawing

>>3689254
The consensus of the book:

>Draw upside down

>>3688448
>draws dragon head to avoid drawing faces
I think I want to try this piece again

>>3689254
>doesn't offer an alternative
Alright, keep your secrets.

construction thingy. why does his head look so fucked? like he's ashamed?

>>3689277

>>3689278
>>3689277
my bad my bad

>>3688448
>draws weird dragon head to avoid drawing a face
Yeeep. I think I want to try this piece again. Most of the weight is supposed to be on the right leg, with the left acting as a balance. How can I make her more stable?

>>3689276

The alternative is doing the exercises in that book but ignoring all pseudoscience.

>>3689277
Your proportions are off. You left out his neck and the head is sticking directly out of the torso. Note where body parts are located in relation to other body parts. For example in your drawing the tip of the nearest ear is centered over the line where his front leg is sticking out. In the ref, the ear is totally past the point where that leg sticks out.

Another example is that in the ref his snout sticks out beyond the foremost paw. In your drawing, the paw is beyond the snout.

Always be comparing relative locations of body parts.

>>3689290
Oh and to answer why that results in an 'ashamed' look, people/animals tend to draw their heads down/hunch up their shoulders when cowering, thus minimizing the neck, so no neck = cowering/ashamed

>>3689297
I know where to go from here, great response man! i'll get back to it

>>3689276
>doesn't offer an alternative
I thougth this was obvious. The alternative is Loomis and all the usual jazz, practice like any normal person would. There are no secrets the only, secret is grinding a lot but that isn't really a secret.

>>3689288
That's what I'm already doing
>still don't know what the fuck symbol drawing is
Here, enjoy... whatever the fuck this was supposed to be
>>3689311
>Loomis
I stopped after the first 5 pages of "Fun with a pencil" was the exact same exercise without ever explaining how to "just draw all the features of the face bro haha it's easy like nigga just do it"

>>3689315
>"just draw all the features of the face bro haha it's easy like nigga just do it"

That's exactly it.

This bitch stole your money and slapped your ass, what you gonna do?

>>3689326
gonna do continuation of this story tomorrow

am I going in the right direction?
I wanna be doing hundreds of studies like this
going trough michael hampton

>>3689333
forgot pic

>>3689324
Nigga how the fuck am I going to "just draw all the things"?
I don't know proportions, distance, size, all that crap. And Loomis, that old nigger, doesn't explain it. Just here, do the same thing 25 times and you fail every time because I don't tell or show you how to do it.

btw fuck this "click the palms" captha is bullshit, stop giving me palms again and again
>>3689326
Obviously ask her to sit on my face.

>>3688457
>guidelines

I placed points representing top, bottom, and middle and then try to find the midpoint of the person using my pen and thumb. Is that what you mean?

>>3689353
It's not like Loomis is a great teacher and his advice is pretty lame, but he's definitely showing you how he does it. It's fine and understandable if it doesn't work for you, but for him, he likes to teach by comparing objects to other objects. This is how he figures out proportion, angles and perspective. He is also very visual, which is why he uses picture examples instead of just explaining it, but the idea is that you're supposed to figure out what he did to get there. It's a super backwards and difficult way to learn sometimes, but it's useful. Or just copy the pictures if you want to get into that headspace. At least that's how I use Loomis.

I can compare the phrase "just draw it" to driving. There are definite guidelines you follow, but you really don't get a feel for it until you do it. Just following guidelines isn't enough, it leaves you wary of challenges. If you're failing 25 times, figure out what you're doing wrong on your own. Nobody is going to hold your hand through this process, and by all means, they shouldn't. Just draw.

>>3689388
>driving
And i feel like I'm learning how to drive all over again. All this shit I don't get.
Oh hey, you're focusing on this thing? Then you'll fuck up the other thing.
>>3689315
When I did the left hand, I looked at the lance to see how and where it should be. Except I couldn't also focus on making the actual hand not shit. Or making the hand closer to the horse.

Fuck me this shit is dumb hard and I don't know what I'm doing wrong because everything is wrong.

>>3689272
epic kid, why don't you read the rest of the text, judy enough to understand the concepts the book is trying to get across; then begin to apply it in your studies and works

>>3689392
>Oh hey, you're focusing on this thing? Then you'll fuck up the other thing.
That's why he starts with big parts. Place the circle for the whole head, then place the lumps for the cheeks, chin, nose and so on. Only after you placed the big rough lumps you start focusing on them.

If you are really stuck on placing the features try something like this first:
http://www.thedrawingwebsite.com/2015/02/18/practicing-your-draw-fu-forms-forms-are-like-sentences/

It should help you to see the shapes and use them.

>>3688588
Thank you, I see what you mean. I'll work on it.

Appreciate the feedback. Guess I'm a little gun shy about taking a brush loaded with dark paint to my paintings still.

i've started making my first ever full painting
what does /beg/ think of it?
what can i work on?

>>3689437
I would think more about where you put detail, right now there's more detail on the brick wall than on the character. Also I think with only that one light sources the lightning would be more dramatic.

>>3689380
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95F6ZvKo7wQ

how this
i wanna grind this

>>3689447
>>3689380

Should I just draw the same thing over and over again if I want to get good

>>3689562
Drawing skill isn't in the hand, it's in the eye. It doesn't matter what you draw as long as you can tell where you messed up and how to correct it. When you learn the proper technique you realize that how you draw anything is how you draw everything, and your goal should be to train your eyes to find the flaws before you call your work finished.
That being said, more complex things are better, but changing subjects and drawing new things stimulates your growth way more than perfecting one subject from one perspective. Grinding wont make you git gud, you have to actually learn something.

Are you working with a reference? Start by filling it with one midtone. Then add the shadows and highlights. When blocking in, you want to think in terms of large blocks and shapes of tone, rather than incremental small strokes. It's easier to work going from large block ins to blending and painting the smaller details. Think about how the lighting works, where there's shadow and highlights. Think about the form and planes of the figure.

and don't listen to this,>>3686386. You're not gonna have perfect lines this early in the game. It's fine to practice values now alongside your linework. Keep it up

>>3686349
Looking rather flat. Need to emphasize on the planes of the head, particularly the side and the bottom.

fixed my monika drawing

>>3689844
Why are you here?

>>3689844
cutie

>>3689353
You sound like an edgy faggot who will never get anywhere in life. Either change your shitty attitude or be stuck as a beginner forever.

Could someone point me to a right direction on how to get better at shading faces?

>>3689928
Please reread michael massens, drawing in proportion because that head to hand ratio looks wrong, and it doesn't look like a style but the limit of your skill

>>3689961
I think I will get rid of the hand, I drew it as an afterthought, just to be rude.
>Please reread michael massens, drawing in proportion
I'll do that.
>and it doesn't look like a style but the limit of your skill
What do you mean by that? The size of the hand?

>>3689928
The best bet anon is made of two parts
1) choose the direction of your light source(s) based on what emotion/mood you wish to convey.

2) Know the general geography of the face, where theer are bumps or crevices wht is forward was is back. For example obviously the nose is a big bump so it will have a lot o light ad shadow around it.

Combine your knowledge these two and find which parts of the face are in light and shadow. Pic I tried to show it but didn't shade the background.

For a good example check this vid on how much the light direction changes the look of the face
https://petapixel.com/2013/04/16/trippy-video-shows-how-a-persons-face-changes-depending-on-the-lighting/

>>3689970
Thanks, that's really helpful.

I'm doing poopy so far

>>3690168
You're doing pooptastic

tryin' lately to sketch my e-homies for fun to try and just grind out drawing and to try to improve. self taught so it takes me forever to draw a face even at this shit level

I'm so jealous of this dude's line work when I can barely draw a line straight for a centimetre :( How tf do I improve my lines, I never seem to get better

I feel like I'm not learning anything from Loomis, I'm just pretending to emulate his style without actually "getting" the underlying principles

>>3690340
felt like that to me too, but i took away from skull building that it's more of a way to keep you inside a box and help measuring shit. it's to help you eyeball the positioning better, since the real key to everything is spacing

>>3690335
realize that this drawing was probably sketched at huge resolution. keep your lines very confident and draw brisk long strokes. those lines don't look like anything special

>>3690340
the principle of loomis is building 3 dimension shapes on top of 3 dimension shapes. it's to keep you in that train of logic - which is why he uses cartoony heads, as you're able to break reality and have fun with it, but also keep it simple.
if you want real anatomy study, I recommend looking elsewhere. if you're interested in heads and understand the 3d form, maybe give 'steve huston heads' a google search to learn how to properly construct.

Are there any daily practices/routines you do or would recommend for a beginner? I'm very new to drawing and I've just been drawing stuff that's in front of me when I'm out or at home, but I feel like I'm not sure if that'll actually help me get better.

Best drawing tutorials on youtube?

>>3689461
I'm totally /BEG/ but i feel this one stiff, i hardly point out what is stiff though, i think she look better if her torso was a little more twisted at least.

>>3690347
that looks like traditional though

>>3690404
I think it isn't stiff, it looks realistic

>>3690415
doesn't to me

Can I get criticism for my vector art here?
Do people her know about vector art and can help me out?

>>3689326
part 2 is here
anon is a pinch thot is really agresive

>>3690502
part 3 is in production atm

>>3690498
Looks traced

>>3690509
That's a reaction image, I didn't made it

how the FUCK do i clothes??
wanted her to wear shorts of some sort but they all ended up looking like shit. I can’t do folds either :(
maybe I should start browsing /fa/ or something

>>3690081
cute, think more contrast might help

>>3690502
her boobs aren’t centered

>>3690502
brap edition

>>3690535
part 4 is in production and will be posted tomorow you wont believe what happens next!

>>3689414
Thank you anon-friend. I'm being overly dramatic because frustration sucks. That's not nice on y'all I just really love complaining.
>>3689437
Looks fucking dope. But I'd imagine the blood would spread out more in the water?
Hair looks "flat" but I assume you're not done with it.

>>3689928
are you using shadman as a reference?

>>3690460
that's valid but I really think it is traditional; it looks like a scanned page; if you can prove me wrong by all means do

>>3690528
look at the clothes you want to draw; also look at your own clothes and other's on the daily; It's just a matter of practice to be honest

>>3690602
No, it is the same character he drew though.

I really don't know how to take that...

What's the name for this kind of stuff?

>>3690663
Scrimshaw.

>>3690665
Oh, no no- not drawing on bone, the design he used

>>3690682
Oh, it's some form of scrollwork, but I can't say if there's a name to go with the particular style.

>>3690693
>scrollwork
Aha! Thank you!

>>3690395

No one?

>>3691040
i'm doing these >>3690873
rotate a coil and stuff

>>3690502
part 4, part 5 in production

>>3691040
What do you want to be able to draw? If it includes humans in any way I would suggest adding 15-20 gestures a day to your routine

>>3691040
do gesture routine like other anon said and then read a book aswell, then draw something for fun.. if you will not, it will just be boring, why study drawing and not draw what you like? even if it looks like shit it doesnt matter, in 5y you will look back at your beginning drawing and frame them

>>3690602
No, but seriously, what did you mean by this?

>>3691173
similar fuckface slut feeling as shadman art

drew snack

>>3691179
Is that bad?

>trace a skeleton over a bunch of models randomly selected off of google images
>every man is between 6 and 7 heads high
Did I get memed on by every single human proportions chart or did I just select a bunch of manlets?

>>3691198
Keep drawing

Trying to take more time with my sketches, this one took 30-ish minutes

>>3688880
This is pretty much beyond remedy but here you go ya twat.

Art gains... Self portrait still not great but I did improve

>>3691215
no, i personally like shadman art

>>3691243
it looks somewhat like gesture drawing, but you should be able to do that in 2mins

>>3691267
thanks but i already improved it myself ya Fucking Faggot

>>3691267
>>3691336
also post yr work, if youre gonna be like that u god damn mother fucker i want to know youre at least better than me

>>3691336
that eye is way better you flaming homo but make that nose bridge a little more narrow and it's good

>>3691344
thanks lmao

>>3691322
Huge improvement already. Are you reading Betty Edward's right side of the brain?

Does anyone have any tips on values? I think something is wrong with me because I can't really tell most values apart. They look too similar. I've been squinting my eyes but I can only see it if there's a massive leap in value.

>>3691354
Yesssssss and I'm happy with my improvement... I'm still a total begginer but even so I'm happy with what I can do I hope to improve mooore and si it feels good to actually being able to see the improvement..

I'm thinking about buying some books becuase it's black friday and I need your help.
What you think of:
Anatomy For Artists Made Easy - George Bridgeman
Artistic Anatomy 1/2 - Michel Lauricella
Drawing Book - Sarah Simblet

Hey guys, I just thought of something.

Don't you think it would be a great idea to draw dildos to practice form drawing?
It would help people get into drawing cylinders, showing their form while also getting creative and sexual at the same time.

What do you think of that idea?

I'd appreciate a few corrections

What do you guys mean when you say "grind your fundies"? Figure drawing everyday?

>>3688329
Gave it another shot using the critique I got, this time with a 2H mech pencil and a 2B pencil. I know I especially goofed but hoping the proportions are better.

how do you know where the neck goes

>>3691399
sounds great if it helps people get better at drawing.

>>3690415
>>3690460

FWIW I do believe everything he does is traditional. His name is Jeremy Collins, I found him because a couple Nat Geo photographers I follow are friends with him, I think he basically travels with them and draws where they go, e.g. https://www.instagram.com/p/BqKgroGhE2d/

>>3691583
I think it's usually attached to the head, and most of the times it connects to the top of the torso. Don't quote me on this.

Some kind of butt plug

>>3691770
>>3691834
>>3691399
You have the big autism.

please help me with these legs i beg you. i don't know what im doing wrong omg.

>>3692234
They're just too long.

>>3692250
you were right. thank you anon

>>3692256
Yeah, that looks better, tilt the left one a bit towards the viewer and you're good on that front.

what if i just used my tablet for sketching and used my mouse for inking?

>>3692283
If that feels easier for you, go for it.

Does it look like the eyes are too far apart?

>>3692395
Yes. The space between both eyes is usually the same length as a single eye

>>3689437
Like what >>3689439 mentioned, you need to work a bit on your rendering and values. Pic related is an example to not make muddy strokes.

First portrait in years (first one ever not traced/grid-ed); self critiques:
- her right eye is not the correct angle
- bad shadow/light values (hair, neck)
- basically all hair (including eyelashes + actual hair) off, didn't really "block" out enough before details.

Any other things?

>>3692763
You should study the skull. She looks like the back of her head is missing.

How do you draw a cube with 1 point perspective with the vanishing point above the cube? I read in the force book and it says that a square that has right angles can't show the side or top plane without being fake perspective. Is fake perspective bad? And if yes then how do I go about doing one point perspective cubes?

>>3692763
Is this persons ethnicity jewish?
Her nose looks massive.

I'm gonna move on, but pointers appreciated

Drew this on a note 4 at work just now.
Got a note 9 at home but the sim in this thing is too fucking huge to fit inside it so I'm waiting on the new one.

i've been studying how to digitally paint and render for a month now, and im kind of in a rut on where to go next from here. Any suggestions on what i should focus on next or improve on?

>>3693285
get rid of that outline, increase contrast, copy actual real-life materials

>>3693295
I am not the guy who posted that image, but the only thing you have done is just say "do this" without showing HOW you went about doing your Mario heads.

Give details on HOW to go about doing something instead of just "UH, do this because I said so" it helps nobody, or, you're trolling.

>>3693322
ok.

Did gesture study today 34/1min each. feeling abit more confident honestly

I'm about as new as it gets, this is my first time practicing on my tablet, can anyone give me some advice please? Mainly wondering how to shade more effectively because using the same methods i do for quick pencil sketches looks absolute toss as you can see.

new thread when?