/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

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Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stanislav Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

Used reference but didnt go for accuracy cause I just cant
Anyway how is it?

>>3674389
Good shapes. Use a hard brush so it won't look so blurry. Work large to small, fill in large shapes first with clear and defined edges, then do the small brush work. Your work will look cleaner this way. Work on a higher resolution. Upload the proper size next time.

>didnt go for accuracy cause I just cant
you can do it man.

Wip. Anything i should focus on or fix?

Critique this please. How do you draw scenery? Any good video lessons?

I'd say I'm a beginner, started drawing seriously a couple months ago. This is one of the first things I've drawn that I'm proud of. Thoughts?

>>3674398
you should try making the breasts behave like actual breasts (ie, not defy gravity)

day 2 of drawing ribcages.

>>3674398
Fix hands.

Another day. Another construction of the head

>>3674398
breasts look hard like stone. when drawing the shape, think of water balloons that droop down.

First perspective drawing I’ve done in a very long time. Just stacked a couple books on top of each other.

Tips and advice/criticism? I’m trying to get good at drawing city landscapes/buildings, so I’ve been working on studying perspective

>>3674444
is the upper plate mean to be tilted
also the right shadow seems weird man

When did /beg/ get so good. Keep it up guys.

>>3674455
Yeah, the top book was smaller and placed diagonal on the other one. I felt the shadow was weird too, and I don’t know if I just didn’t hatch it right or what...

This is bullshit. None of these posts belong in /beg/. Fuck off

>>3674462
I'm just a beg so excuse me if I wrong
if both books placed on top of each other they should have the same top VP
also the there shouldn't be any shadow in the circle because the top book is too far from it

>>3674467
Fuck you, it’s my first time drawing in like three years. I learned architecture and basic design in high school, but 90% of the work was on CAD, and i fucken suck at drawing

>from perspective drawing guy

>>3674473
This is what I was using for reference

Looking back, I should’ve just hatched the whole side part that you circled

Poorfag here. Where do you guys go to download art books? I've read most of loomis' books. Is there a place to download art books for free?

>>3674488
didn't you see a giant artbook thread
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/
work well too

Any criticism for here

>>3674489
Thanks. I didn't see that thread.

>>3674490
Read sticky and study anatomy and facial proportions. I don’t even know what you’re attempting at here...

>>3674478
I think he's trying to tell you you're too good for /beg/.

I fucked up the asshole but I think i did an ok job of keepibg the oekakk clean

>>3674492
Yeah facial expressions are the biggest bane of my existence. I can construct the head well. But when it comes to facial expressions I shit the bed.

>>3674524
>i fucked up the asshole
double entendre is fun

Considering art school ??

>>3674545
lern to in anatomy

>>3674456
>>3674467

All I see is shit, what is this "/beg/ is good" meme? Keep studying fags, don't get your hopes up or you're ngmi

Hi there I’m a beginner this is one of my OC will try to post some actual anatomy practice

>>3674572
Whether is actually good or not is irrelevant. No one is going to want to make anything if they hate everything they make. You need to feel good about your art to some degree to have the drive to practice at all.

>>3674538
Im glad you liked my joke.

I was too lazy with the lower body this time around but i feel satisfied

so is the key to drawing being able to visualize shapes in a 3d space?

>>3674607
Thats a big part of it

drew monika but never played the game and not planning

>>3674610
so why did u draw her?

>>3674612
it's fun to draw characters you normally don't draw

>>3674613
Draw Rakka

>>3674610
To fit in.

>>3674612
To fit in.

>>3674473
Even if you hatched out the side the shadow of of the top book hitting the floor would be wrong as the lightsource for just that segment would be close to the floor and behind rather than above and behind the subject.

The little tilt you see as a little bit of 2 point perspective

>>3674483
Even if you hatched out the side the shadow of of the top book hitting the floor would be wrong as the lightsource for just that segment would be close to the floor and behind rather than above and behind the subject.

The little tilt you see as a little bit of 2 point perspective

>>3674575
His middle third is way too small.

Test Post. Crit me if it works.

>>3674524
Still drawing Paper dick and Paper balls anon

>>3674412
What is this... thing? Do I even want to know?

>>3674384

>>3674384
my rendition of motoko kusanagi critique pleez

>>3674398
Hands need more detail, put the ears one lock further back the ear starts in the middle of the skull's side. If you are gonna draw cleavage learn how neck chest and boobs work and how fabric stretches around the boobs. Otherwise it is fine as smut for normies.

experiment

>>3674687
Both feet flat on the ground looks awkward in a walking pose, fingers on left hand are too straight. THE FACE.

Try tracing over your work as if you were inking a sketch with long strokes, this will eventually train your muscles as to what lines to draw for which body parts. Get that chicken scratch under control.

Draw most of it zoomed out so you can see the whole figure on screen. This helps immensely with proportions.

If this is just your hobby or interest atm, keep tweaking or redrawing any parts you know look wrong. If you can tell it looks wrong, keep working on it. Flip your canvas horizontally(digital) to more comfortably make strokes and to see your image from a fresh perspective.

Also get a virtual drawing mannequin program like Design Doll. Pic Related.

photoshops graphics processor settings wont fucking work im at my wits end here
it was working a fucking week ago and now it fucking wont work
i need my fucking scrubby zoom i cant do shit without it
i FUCKING updated all these drivers for NOTHING why does this program give me so much SHIT

>>3674754
ps does that sometimes, it's a relatively easy fix i recall but i can't remember what it is

>>3674759
if you manage to conjur it up let me fuckin know asap, im so fucking sick of this spastic program

>>3674698
Thanks anon

>>3674384
I drew Satsuki-sama today! She's cute!

Best butt I've ever drawn

>>3674610
>>3674613
Omg anon this is so good please draw more.

Post youre Hitlers, please
Heres mine.

>>3674622
Oh shit yea I see what you’re talking about. Thank you for pointing this out for me! Gonna do some more perspective studies with books and other objects before attempting to draw buildings

>do drawabox for 2 months
>no improvement
When the FUCK do I start getting better

>>3674856
when you stop anime garbage

>>3674867
Undertale is Calarts garbage

>>3674841
Among other problems, his eyes are looking in different directions. Generally, our eyes are always slightly "cross eyed" because otherwise we cannot focus our vision.

Will I lose my gains if I'm constantly copy/paste + overlay onto my ref window to see if my lines are accurate?
I don't trace at all, and I redraw the line on my drawing window.

I decided to read Fun with a Pencil but realized I can't even draw Blook Balls. How do I draw circles?

>>3674918
How is constantly checking if your lines are correct with an overlay different than just straight up tracing?

>>3674920
Do it on traditional media. I started with digital and drew the same kind of circles you did. Did traditional for a few months drawing with my shoulder and now my digital stylus control is way better.

How much do you guys read from actual books and how much do you just study from observation and reference?

From what I've gathered it's recommended you just read books and do the exercises in them while also doing reference/observational study, but I just can't bring myself to reading the books. I just can't focus on them.

>>3674952
Just read books and draw whatever lol.

>>3674941
s-so is it considered tracing?
>all those hours spent on trying to get gud on nothing

>>3674952
Then just read it in small chunks

>>3674952
neither, I just draw from my head

I'm an absolute beginner, got a dumb question (but I'm serious): anyone got pictures of how they hold their pencil? I can't seem to get comfortable holding the pencil flatter, and holding it how I usually write has almost no range of movement

>>3674960
It's definitely not as bad as tracing since you are still trying to do the lines yourself and correct afterwards, but I don't think it's a good idea to do it.

>>3674988
Just settle on some position for holding that you think would be good if it felt comfortable, you get used to it. Although it shouldn't feel ultra uncomfortable in the beginning either.
I settled for a claw like grip with the 3 fingertips all holding the pencil and later I drifted into a more flat grip plus almost my old writing grip again. I think the importance of the grip is vastly overstated most of the time.

>>3674988
It is not a stupid question anon but there is no really answer to that, you hold the pencil you find it most comfortable. unless there is a certain process that needs done like cross hatching. I toll hold my pencil in writing position even if I draw.
https://i2.wp.com/www.angmohdan.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/othergrips.jpg

>>3674952
I periodically stumble on something I don't know how to do. So I read that part in the book. Check the exercises and do them a little. Then find references and do them a little. Then I try incorporate what I learned in something more whole.

I like pen art and would like to learn some good techniques. How to show that it's night time? I tried this weird thing with the rings but it doesn't look right to me.

>>3675031
creating night images is stupid hard with pen, you literally need to make the background almost black. If you want that, it is wiser to invest into an ink brush becasue using pen to crosshatch it down to blackness is just an impossible wast of time.

Nice art btw

I've got a question. I want to start drawing for fun but I want to draw on an electronic tablet rather than on paper. Are there any tablets that anyone would recommend to a beginner? Looking to spend a maximum of $200.

>>3675031
You got some skill..i would work on weighting your lines..that is how much pressure u put on the pen/ how dark your line is. All your line weights are the same. Also dont hatch through the bricks until youve rendered a bit more thoroughly. But not bad

>>3675050
paper is fine tough brah it is the best place to start out, digital is better yes but it gives you too much freedom and comfort. the paper is decently limiting to do the basics.

>>3675050
Get a Wacom Intuos and don’t listen to the people who are going to tell you just to draw on paper. The feel of paper versus digital is very different, and if you want to be a digital artist in the end there’s no reason not to just start digitally.

>>3674389
Go for it bro that base is very solid I could easily pull out stuff from it even without seeing the ref.
Keep going, painting is a grind a HUGE FUCKING GRIND. Heck I couldn't make myself render the whole thing either.
Still good job keep going!

>>3675056
Is there a good but cheap LCD tablet? The intous looks good but I would prefer one with a screen.

>>3675038
Not OP, but wouldn't it be easier to use a black paper and a white pen/marker?

>>3675073
sure absolutely correct if you can draw with that then that is probably a great approach!

>>3675062
I haven’t looked at tablet prices in a while, but from what I remember decent LCD tablets start around $500 new. You could look into second-hand iPads as an option.

Any good sites with categorized reference photos suitable for drawing?

Do you draw with a mechanical or wooden pencil

>>3675062
don't waste your money on non wacom tablets

better give few bucks more and have fully responsible tablet

Whybdo my skills deteriorate dramatically when I try to draw on my wacom bamboo tablet as opposed to pencil on paper

>>3675105
different brain coordination

>>3675105
You will get used to it faster than you think anon dun worry it is not much different from using a mouse or pencil but your brain has to learn it.

>>3674800
a man of taste

>>3675105
do both

>>3675050
look at Huion, they're fine and much cheaper

Hello /beg/, here is my latest drawing. How badly did i fuck up?

>>3675162
cute anteater

>>3675162
Could be worse. Did you start with construction lines and basic shapes? Cause it doesn't look like you started with construction lines and basic shapes.

What's the best information source for shading techniques? Ive basically just started trying to shade. Iv'e practiced pen and pencil pressure to the point where i feel pretty comfortable varying the pressure for different shades but i cant seem to apply that to shading shapes.

>>3675175
http://www.youtube.com/user/Istebrak/videos

>tfw you have no autistic talent so you're not even sure if you're improving or not

>>3675167
Yeah, i did. I probably need to practice construction. The problem is i seem to have a grasp of human proportions, but not those of any other animals. Anyway, i have already done drawabox, what other sources for constructiom should i move onto?

>try to sketch digitally
>can't draw for shit
>lines don't even come out close to my intent
>buy a sketchbook and some pens
>everything comes out significantly better (but still shit)

Guess I'll just learn the old fashioned way...

>>3675162
you should give it strong angular lines to give it Tartakovsky look

Been posting progress on this all week..not a single comment or crit...if it aint manga done on an ipad u simps dont care

>>3675214
Hahaha god that's great. Why the fuck is there a chicken??!?

>>3675195
That's what I did only I never went back to digital :/

>>3675221
Well, I want to do digital eventually. I guess in a couple years if I manage to get good enough I'll look into a display tablet since hobbyist ones seem to be getting pretty cheap these days. Probably easier to pick up that way.

This may be a weird question but Is drawing an essential skill for an architect? If not, will being able to draw and develop a portfolio at least help me get into an architectural school? I've already graduated from college and I've heard that without a Bachelor's in Fine Arts (which I don't have) it's very difficult to get into a Master's program. Any of you guys happen to know anything about this?

>>3674409
Any advice?

Here's another attempt that's a little better.

>be bad
>try to practice deliberately to get better
>slow progress if any at all
>disillusionment hits, I'll never be good

>try to forget about it and just draw whatever for fun
>realize I'm wasting my time because doodling won't make me better at all
>hate everything i draw
>why even bother trying

I just described you. I know because I'm you.

>>3675230
Weak. Use reference.

>>3675233
Sounds like you need to lay off the weed and anime and learn some discipline, kiddo.

wheres her fuckin ribcage

>>3675234
I did

>>3675242
Look nothing alike.

>>3675214
Your painting is ugly, muddy, and stop highlighting with white.

>>3675244
No shit, that's why I asked for help.

>>3675237
I'll have you know my drug of choice is video games.
It's hard to stay motivated and disciplined when you know it's all for naught.

>>3675246
Open your eyes and try again.

How much time would you guys recommend drawing per day for big gains? What's the minimum amount of hours needed per day to see fast improvement? Is one hour a day a lot or a little for somebody just starting out?

>>3675255
Trying again doesn't matter if I don't know how to capture any detail or form. All the resources here are for grinding organic/human subjects. I was just curious if anyone knows of good landscape tutorials.

Anyone got an image or some sort of resource to help connect the neck/head with the rest of the body? I have a really hard time visualizing how the neck and head will fit with the rest of the body.

>>3675256
Not sure there's a standard magic number for everyone, you can try doing like any other activity, sets of 25min with breaks, or so, some people do 15 min sets some other 50min. See how you feel after doing a certain number in a row. Big gains don't come from just time but what you are trying to learn and how much it takes to click for you. Depends on your goals, no one can't say for sure. You'll probably be moving your expectations as you progress so don't bother with that, if you draw is because you want to draw something or express an idea, and the rest is just doing research, studies and ironing the issues you find when trying to draw out the idea, lol.

Meaning, if you want to draw cute girls and only that is not the same focus as if you want to draw anything or draw scenery shots, or do abstract or surreal stuff for example. Depending on what you want you'll find that some core fundamentals just take precedence over others.

>>3675245
Post your oc simp this post is better than 90% of whats on /ic/

>>3675261
Simplify.

>>3675261
Not who you were talking to. But drawing anything realistically from reference is the same, whether human or landscape. It's shapes and areas of light and dark.

Look how you tried to draw every individual tree on the mountainside. Now look at your reference. Can you see any trees on that mountain really? Or do you see swathes of dark areas that you happen to know are trees? Draw what you SEE not what you know is there. Read Keys to Drawing or something

>>3675214
>>3675266
fuck off samefag

>>3675271
Lets see your work

>>3675256
It is no how long you draw the point is that you draw the proper stuff that lets you learn stuff like gestures, cubes, shapes etc. I f you down to draw a portrait every day you only get 10% of it done and the the end result will make you feel like shit. It is way more important to know WHAT to draw for improvement instead of how much time you spend drawing. It might be less fun but it is way more beneficial in the long run. Okay Anon?

Landscapes/Backgrounds. Where do I even start? For the body you have definite parts to learn, but besides learning tedious perspctive like Robertson's and measuring, what do?

>>3675271
Ahh no work submitted. Low i.q. simp detected

>>3675303
landscapes and bgs are mainly about perspective yes. The other is composition, light and colors.

goddamn it i have been trying to do gesture drawings for two fucking hours now and everytime I try they come out looking like shit. I feel like I haven't been improving at all. How do I get out of this rut?

>>3675308
Look at this nigger chimp out because Anon called his work ugly

Any advice or tips to draw a simple body?
Still have trouble with drawing them.

>>3675270
I can't stop symbol drawing. Don't know what to do.

Drew a summary anime girl, probably haven't touched a pencil in over half a year. When can I start raking in the patreon bucks?

Also have some old shitty porn if anyone's interested.

>>3675368
>summary
Fuck, meant summery.

>>3675368
>Also have some old shitty porn if anyone's interested
Post it

been trying to draw bodies for some time i forget i was supposed to have fun and draw from time to time. can't draw clothes but at least i had fun

>>3675374
It's a lot of unfinished shit and futanari, but ok give me a second

What are good cheap pens to practice with? Pigment liners are kind of expensive to burn on practice, and ball point pens don't seem to work too well when drawing with the paper at a steep angle like I usually do.

>>3675360
Flip your reference upside down and draw it that way. Dont use words in your mind like mountain and tree. Think only in terms of shape, light and dark

>>3675374
Eh, guess they're not really porn, just nudes

>>3675393

>>3675394

>>3675396

>>3675393
>>3675394
>>3675396
>>3675398
CWC? Is that you?

>>3675409
kek. Yeah, just realized that last one looked like his infamous porn. Like I said, it's old and shitty

aaaaaaaaaa

>>3675334
Quick and shitty tutorial for ya

how is the pose?

resized. how is the pose?

>>3675412
are you per chance a manlet?

>>3675412
I like that giant rat that makes all of the rules.

how am I doing?

>>3675416
where do i learn to rotate a cube?

hey all, I need some help drawing this. I'm trying to draw a character crying while holding his hood over his face. I'm not sure how exactly to draw the hood though. It's a pointed hood and it's hard to find references online. Can anyone redline me so I have a better idea of how to draw the fabric being pulled?

drew homura

>>3675443
The first exercise on drawabox

>>3675431
Really good for a beginner. A great sense of 3D form.

>>3675450
alright so I looked some more at some pointed hoods and I think I kinda got it down a little better, but I just don't know how to like, put fabric over it.

>>3675425
Yeah, 5'13 so I'm king of the manlets.
>>3675426
based and ratpilled

>>3675455
you drew eyes this time
yay

So I'm reading through Perspective Made Easy. What does it mean by drawing in end-view and side-view in perspective? Lots of conflicting info online, and as far as I can tell side-view and end-view are described as the same thing.

I like the idea of gitting gud but learning constructions, perspective, seeing value and grinding exercises turns it in to work. I don't want to do this for money, just fun.

I like to sketch and try still life now and then, mostly do page filling mandalas and abstract stuff. Is it possible to make learning proper drawing not feel like work, so tedious and dry?

What advice would you give a noob on posture and arm positioning?

>>3675431
you are not /beg/. get on outta here.

>>3675562
Can't wait until someone says that to me.

I'm very new to digital arts, a lot of the terms are still very alien to me. When people say hard brush, what do they mean? which hard brush is considered a hard brush in, say, CSP or SAI? Is it a default brush or is it something I have to download externally? Thanks!

>>3675577
same

>>3675334
nice picture, i'm saving it. this empty (you) is your punishment for using that underhanded trick.

>>3674920
use those stabilizers anon, they're there to be used.

>>3675585
Not him but what are stabilizers?

>>3674856
redpill incoming, open wide. If your endgoal is to draw cute animu then limit yourself from overly sophisticated learning methods, swallow basic fundamentals such as proposition, very basic anatomy, motion and posture, perspective can come very later on. Anime is a very derivative style, it's comprised of almost 2 dimensional symbols instead of complex forms. Copy from artists that you like, try to imitate their drawings as close as possible, get used to memorizing what makes a symbol appealing and what doesn't. I'd post a screencap of a based post I read on /ic/ a long time ago but the pic is buried in my animu folder and I don't wanna open it in class.

>>3675588
these bad boys over here, that's where they can be found in sai, but i'm sure they also exist in other softwares. they're just a crutch to help you get used to moving over to digital, don't get too reliant on it.

>>3675592
What do they do?

>>3675238

>>3675580
pic related my friend
your standard oil brush in CSP is both, you can adjust hardness within the tool (says hardness and has a bunch of boxes you check to lower/increase)

>>3675238
You're an npc. You'll honestly never make it.

>>3675598
stabilize lol. They help you draw straight. So say you want to draw a nice circle but you keep fucking up and it gets a little crooked. Increasing the stability would help to give you a smooth line.

I have to use it a lot sometimes when I've been up too long or had a lot of caffeine lol

>>3675610
Sounds like something that could impede progress.

>>3675598
>>3675613
Speaking in a more technical manner, basically it deliberately creates input lag, if you set the stabilizer to max and pull a very big swipe you will see your line lagging behind your cursor, this is done so that your pen can ignore all the minor tremble motions your fingers are doing and focusing on the swipe instead. Like I said, it's a crutch you shouldn't get too reliant to, but is definitely useful.

>>3675549
look in the mirror. Stick closely to references.

Don't make things too stiff, that's a common issue. People slouch and your arms have a natural bend to them

>>3675613
It can, but I don't think it does. Increasing stability also decreases speed. So it takes way longer to draw at high stability. I usually keep my stability around like, 5-7. It doesn't help that much that it would seriously impede progress.
I've still gotten better at drawing straight and clean lines.

>>3675603
Is it the same to pen opacity in SAI? Feels like it is, but just making sure in case there's actually something specialized for this. Again, thanks anon!

>>3675618
I meant my posture when I am drawing. That's pretty useful advice anyway though.

>>3675624
Sorry I haven't used Sai for a very long time, so I can't be positive but I highly doubt it's opacity. Opacity is what you think opacity is - the brushes transparency. Really super handy for painting, but something can have a low opacity but still a hard edge.
I'm not 100% on this, though, maybe someone who actually has SAI can help.

>>3675420
His right fist should be around his liver, which means we won't see it from this angle and the elbow would be protruding much further back. Right now you have him pressing the middle of his forearm to his body.

>>3675547
Read the books in small parts and apply them to what you like to draw directly. It would be slower than doing exercises but it will work.

>>3675625
oh lmao

I try to sit back, but I end up slouching forward a lot. So I try to take a break every so often to just lean back. I try to move my torso a lot as well. My arms, I just try to keep relaxed. I usually sit on the couch with my laptop and tablet on my legs because I find that more comfortable than sitting in a chair. It just seems more comfortable to be, personally.

Try to relax and take a break to sit back and do some back exercises every once in a while.


>>3675624
it's not the same. CSP also has opacity and added flow. The hardness refers to the edges. Sai also has it's own opacity

I attached a picture to better exlpain the stuff on SAI

Tried a cartoon character.

>>3675639
That's a very nice picrelated, kind of you to also explain the other stuffs while you're at it. It's very helpful, thanks a lot anon!

>>3675647
The gentle value transitions here are very nice.

>that guy who spends more time watching youtube videos on how to draw than he does actually drawing

>>3675650
yeah, it took me a long time to figure out everything lol.
It's all different for each kind of brush as well. I really enjoy marker, it has cool blending techniques.

There's a lot of little things on SAI that have cool little tricks to them and it's fun just kind of exploring it all! So have fun learning how to use all of the different things! And good luck with whatever you're working on!

Question, how do I shade and render like this? I'm using sai tool

>>3675658
http://blue-ten.tumblr.com/post/36574758168/trakoclock-asked-hey-if-you-dont-mind-sharing

there's a good start

also looks like they might've used the marker tool

>>3674945
Thanks, I'm doing half of it in traditional already and it does feel easier to get things right on paper. But I can't draw from the shoulder at all, especially not on the small circles I'm drawing.

I'll just keep going and maybe in a few months my lines will become cleaner.

>>3675585
I'm tweaking with it. Thing is I'm trying out SketchBook and its stabilizers are kinda bad for adding details so I just have them off.

So, I'm studying perspective and recently I realized that I don't know how to put an object
perpendicular to a slope, or in other words, how to construct the neccesary Measuring Point and Auxiliary Vanishing Point for it.

For better understanding of my problem I made a digital (no measured) example, suppose this is an inclined road and the color forms are supposed to be vehicles going up or down on the slope, they must be perpendicular to the surface while doing so, but how can I draw it?

I suppose I must find a measuring point and then an Auxiliary Declined Vanishing point on the same line as the Inclined Vanishing point from where I can trace lines that form an 90º angle to the desired slope, but how?

I looked everywhere but I only found 2 answers.

For one, Scott Robertson's method is to place an ellipse on the slope's surface and the minor axis should be perpendicular to said surface, but I think there must be a more precise method.

Then I found a method that seems to work, but it's for two point perspective and I have no idea if it can be applied to one point or how.

I don't know if this kind of questions belong here, but I've been stuck with this for a while, so yes, I will be grateful if someone can help me or can tell me where to look for help.

>>3675658
Footfags are the worst

As a beginner, is it a bad idea to skip learning with a pencil and paper to a tablet. especially if you prefer digital art? Wouldn't it be easier to correct mistakes and use guides by doing it on a tablet as opposed to paper? The tablet I'll get is a Wacom PTH-660.

>>3675711
One, if you get a tablet and you don't have the conviction to succeed you wasted your money on nothing. Two, if you do have the conviction to succeed you would start with pencil and paper and become proficient at that because it provides you with learning experience that digital cant give.

>>3675714
>it provides you with learning experience that digital cant give.
Can I ask what those experiences are? I really don't know.

>>3675711
Tablets don't give the same feeling as directly drawing on paper. The disconnect between the drawing surface and the screen creates a claustrophobic feeling that makes it difficult to integrate the movement of your hand and draw lines. Add to that the slippery tablet surface and you'll have a more frustrating drawing experience as a beginner. Traditional is actually far easier to learn and more intuitive. You won't have the digital tools but that may work to your advantage when learning.

Unless you're willing to shell out for a display tablet which can be a good substitute, stick to paper first. Go straight to a display tablet later on (if you can afford it) if you decide on committing to art.

>>3675715
Digital art is informed by traditional art. So if you don't know how traditional art works, you will never truly understand digital.

Just like cartoons are based off of realism. You need to know one to understand the other.

>>3675696
So your slope has a VP, and you've indicated it as IVP. the goal here is to find the 90 degree counterpart to this VP that lies on the same vertical line, but below the HL. An easy way to conceptualize this is to just rotate the image 90 degrees. Now it becomes a standard 2 VP situation. I used your side view of slope to measure back to the station point of the rotated image (it looks like a 30 degree slope) and then from taking 90 degrees, I went up and to the left to find what is essentially the LVP in the rotated space. From there, you can basically solve for x.

If you're in one point, and you are working with slopes, the slope is basically in 2 point. In the same vein, a 2 point slope is basically in 3 point.

Let me know if any of this is unclear, good luck.

>>3675715
To start with, pen and paper is straight forward. You get drawing right away without having to worry about programs not working right, tablet being buggy, ect. It also takes a lot of the extra shit away that you don't need to worry about as a beginner like brushes, layers and learning the different nuances to the program. Those kind of things are just a waste of time for a beginner. Digital is also too form fitting. You can shape your digital experience pretty much however you want(like playdoh) so it's going to be hard to get a grasp on important concepts. And besides, all the things you learn while doing stuff traditionally will more or less transfer over to digital but ctrl-z wont work on paper.

But this is assuming your trying to be semi-professional. If you're just doing this as a hobby with really no desire to be great then do whatever you want cause it doesn't matter.

>>3675647
That's pretty sweet anon

How useful is it to go through vilppu drawing manual as someone who is starting out?

>>3675732
Very useful, man. There are many ways to go as a beginner, don't believe anyone that tells you there's only one way.

Gesture is one of the central/primary skills of drawing and vilppu will introduce drawing through it.

And of course, don't just do vilppu, read the text.

That said, if you can;t get into it, just go dodson, and work through observation first instead

>>3675737
Alright i'll go through Vilppu and check out Dodson key to drawing.

>>3675696
First of all, stop using that niggerlicious robertson's prespective "method". It fucking sucks.
It fall apart pretty fast in the complex scenes.
Barely better than your average "place your vanishing points far apart" perspective cookbook.
And ellipses hacks can only take you so far.

If you are autistic and want complete control and understanding, i would recommend MacEvoy's circle of view framework.
But it's a bit harder to initially understand though.

>>3675689
I had a hard time with shoulder drawing too when I started, but going through some of the Watt's Atelier material really straightened me out. If you draw on large pages of newsprint and grip your pencil in their style, it'll force you to draw with shoulder and elbows. I don't do it any more (back to normal tripod grip with a mechanical pencil/pen/stylus) but now I instinctively draw with my shoulder on very small drawings and especially while making circles and ellipses. Unexpectedly, going through a little bit of that Watts training improved my digital stylus control tremendously.

Can anyone explain what this means?

I'm trying to learn force but I really don't understand some of it.

Why is there directional force for the arm? It seems like it's just dangling there so why is it generating so much applied force to the back?

In the book orange is applied force and blue is directional force btw

>>3675762
Imagine the line of action of that arm as exerting a force in the direction of the action of the arm. That's what he means.

Because of how muscles push and pull on each other, the force from an arm muscle can stretch and pull on the muscles of the back and torso.

In the case of the image, the image's arms pushes the, figure down into the ground with but note that all arrows are bidirectional (Newtons's 3rd)

>>3675766
Thanks, that makes a lot of sense. The pose was pretty confusing to me but now that you mention newton's law I understand it better

>>3675601
thanks
>>3675606
youre wrong faggot

>>3675775
Did you seriously not see the ribcage? It has nothing to do with art. It's just common sense.

I'm so trash at drawing it makes me want to blow my brains out

>>3675780
the feeling will never go away.

1. get used to it
2. quit drawing
3. blow your brains out

the choice is yours

>>3675778
i can see the ribcage, i didnt know how it curved back in space

>>3675781
I want to quit drawing forever but I keep getting the urge and it's fucking stupid. I wish I never started, drawing makes me miserable every time I try

>>3674800
why does she remind me of that kid from maze runner who has wild eyebrows

>>3674856
>>3675589
hey there, here's the pic I was talking about.

>>3675780
Learn perspective, just to do something out of your comfort zone.

that's pretty normal. it's been getting better for me as i improve, but i wouldn't be improving if i didn't fight through the misery

if drawing is fucking you up the ass and you're still compelled to do it, then just resign yourself to it and maybe it'll be over quicker

>>3675784
welcome to the club

gotta keep drawing gotta go beyond the level

>>3675800
hey, it looks like you have a good design sense which is a really good attribute. if i were you i would work on my patience though. really try and spend the time and effort on something that aims to reach your highest level

>>3675800
Make a group picture of at least 5 characters on the beach, you choose which characters but cute girls preferred, are you up for the challenge?

>>3675800
Cute girl Anon would you take a request?

What program produces the beat results when it comes tk digital painting?

>>3675723
Wow dude, that's the way I already saw and it really works, Thanks a lot!
Now two things happened:
-You proved me the method works the same way in one and two point perspective.
-It never worked for me because I don't know how to measure a slope's degree.

I don't want to be an opportunist, but can I ask you how to measure a slope's degree?

You see, I'm ashamed to admit that I already knew that the reason the method didn't work for me probably was because I didn't know how to measure the slope's degree.

When I first saw it it was a 2-point example, I understood that I had to project the slope degree on the horizon line to the Inclined Vanishing point and then complete the 90° from the HL to the IVP line, then I measured the example slope angles with a protractor and they were both the same so I asumed that was the way to measure it, but the thing is...

When in one-point, if one measure the angles with a protractor they are always different (image related), and even when I made a lot of 2-point exercises the angles weren't always the same...

Then I realized I didn't know how to measure a slope's degree

Can you (or someone) help me?

>>3675830
>What program produces the beat results when it comes tk digital painting?
>the beat results
>the beat

On a more serious note is based on what your goal is or how much money do you care to dump into it because you may be wasting it.

Photoshop is accepted to be the industry standard but it is a huge shill, a memory hog and has a billion features that beginners will never use and even professionals will use once in a blue moon depending on what they need.

PaintoolSAI is free and is widely used, it is the simplest program with all the base features you need for making great arts and it is ideal for beginners but used my many famous artists still, although it has limited memory storage and some minor bugs.

Krita is the middle ground, it is also free and has much more features than SAI closer to PS but harder to use.
However keep in mind that they are just tools, while similar you need to learn to use all of them properly to gain the maximum benefits out of them besides your art ability. But if you are just starting out then you will not need anything fancy just the basics. There are tons of other specialized programs out there but these are the ones I used.

>>3675842
Thats really helpful, thank you. Truth be told im only a beginner when kt comes to paints and colour, id do it traditional with acrylic or poster paints as i do my drawings but i figure itd be cheaper and less messy to make mistakes in a digital medium haha. Really i just want it to look as close to a real painting as possible, so i guess realistic looking artificial brush strokes and such.

>>3675750
Thanks for replying, I already knew about MacEvoy's handprint (I didn't knew who had made it though) but I never looked at it for more than a few minutes.

Now that you mentioned it I looked again and I'm intrigued by how complex it is, but I'm the kind of person that wants to know as much as possible about what I like (not sure that's good in some cases), so trying to understand it surely is going to be worthwhile.

>>3675846
The I suggest you start with PainttoolSAI and use it until you get comfortable, it is free and got everything you need for digital basics a good place to start to learn how to do digital art. While there is not instruction manual and help menu for SAI there are a ton of user made tutorials online since it is free and widely used.
After you are comfortable with the digital medium then you can search and check more specialized software and invest money.

>>3675851
Thank you very much. I shall do just that.

>>3675589
>>3675787
Copying art I like is something I've started doing already (for like 2 days) so it's interesting to see others push for it. I don't really want to drop drawabox at this stage since I feel like I have a lot to learn from it, but I'm going to set an equal amount of time each day toward copying other artists. Thanks for the advice, and double thanks for going to the trouble of dredging up that screencap for me.

wow procreate is neat. if only i could figure out how to make the pressure sensitivity behave more like photoshop

>>3675848
>how complex it is
Not really. Core principles are pretty simple.
The real fun begins with 3 point perspective, but once it "clicks" it becomes pretty simple too.
>but I never looked at it for more than a few minutes
Well, try studying it.
It took me around 80 hours to go through the whole book.

It's easy if you keep asking other people to spoonfeed you the answers, but you will never build the intuition that way.

>>3675837
Here's how to measure a slope's degree in 1pt.
You can just measure straight from the 45 degree vp up to your slope vp (aux vp) shown by the red line. This works in 1pt because the 45 degree VP in 1pt can serve as the SP for the rotated 2pt concept from the last example. In that sense, you just measure how far away it is from the CV like you would if it was a RVP in a 2pt set up (in this case 22 degrees)

For slopes in 2pt, you measure from the measuring point up to the aux vp that sits on the same vertical line as the vp on the horizon line. Basically, use the MP instead.

I notice you didn't include a station point in your original question, which is probably why you couldn't reach the conclusion on your own. The key to most perspective problems is understanding the station point, as it is the thing that dictates perspective consistency in a picture. Whatever you need to solve in a perspective sense will require you to know the station point, it's like a constant that you start from. So do your best to study and understand it.

Reading this back again, I'm aware that I didn't express this all very well... if you have any more questions, I'll do my best to answer them

>>3674384
Sorry to post on two threads but now I’m thinking this is more appropriate for /beg/. Been drawing animals my whole life so now it’s time to start drawing humans. Nose art because it’s fun.

>>3675904
Here is my attempt

The hands are very well done anon, good job that is really something considering how much art you can find where you can see a pretty face and nice boobies but the hands look like noodles or "conveniently hidden" behind something.

I advise you to take a but of time and study of drawing the face, its structure, proportions etc and human anatomy in general.

Go for it!

>>3675949
Aw gee, thanks anon! Love your rendition of it! Really makes a difference seeing a more realistic and better proportioned person there.

I’ll certainly keep at it.

>>3675750
Not that anon but I'm following scott's at the mo. I would like to check that MacEvoy perspective you recommended, is it this or something else?
https://www.handprint.com/HP/WCL/tech10.html

>>3675972
Yeah, that is it.
Studying from never-ending webpage designed for 1024x768 monitor is cancer though.
I actually complied the pdf book in LaTex with all that info when i studied it myself.
It's a bit rough around the edges, i don't know if i should post it.

>I'm following scott's at the mo
That's unfortunate. In hindsight i consider scott robertson having a net negative impact on my perspective knowledge. He did more harm than good.
There is some stuff in his book that is poorly worded or outright bullshit that just makes acquiring perspective intuition much harder.
Couple of blocks i had are mostly because of him.

>>3675989
Ha, well I've been doing mostly up to chapter 7, working with volumes, just drawing following what he shows. It's much better than anything I could do by myself, when you know 0, anything even faulty is better than nothing.

I'll check it out then, I just zoom up close for the weird framing of the website and then it looks fine.

Hows this?
I wanna be like ilya

>>3676024
Robertson's geometry "tricks" are quite useful.
It just that his perspective theory and underlying perspective fundamentals suck ass.

>>3676028

>>3676028
well I wanna be like Da Vinci and Ruan Jia mixed together, with a touch of Mullins

>>3676028
The collect his works anon and study them. Analyzse and learn his proportions and measurements, practice his lighting-shading and coloring technique. He works from photos most of the time so you do those photo studies as well.

Go for it anon! We will always be here and gladly make fun of y.. I mean HELP you in reaching your goal.

>>3676037
>scott robertson
That screenshot made me fucking laugh, will probabary need inharer soon.

>>3676028
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fahmbXbbDHM

what are some resources that teach anatomy for artists more in depth than "draw an elypse that is wider on one side and with a line here", but still understandable for a beginner? I watch Proko, but he didn't do legs yet.

>>3675230
Too much symbolism mate , you need to feel the shapes to be able to draw them
study perspective, and organic forms

>>3676071
http://www.amazon.com/Morpho-Anatomy-Artists-Michel-Lauricella-ebook/dp/B07BJ4G5RJ

How do I make my work as crisp looking as the one on the right ?

Are my shadows too dark ? Is it just shit proportions ? Bad linework ? Everything above ?

I'm just a complete amateur who wants to make somewhat bearable art for his shitty little indie games. Please help.

>>3676141
The right side one has thicker lineart and notably more anti-aliasing while the left side one. If you do not know what anti aliasing i yet google up an explanation on it and how to use it on your advantage.You can set more anti aliasing by your brush setting you do in the software you sue and using thicker brushes. However that will require a bit different way to draw.

Otherwise the right side one has stronger contrast between the lighter and darker parts which is one of the main ways to give your artwork dept hand form.

>>3676141
>How do I make my work as crisp looking as the one on the right?
Thick lines + subpixel rendering.

opinion

>>3676153
>>3676154
Thicker lines and darkening some shadows helped a lot
thanks

>>3676141
>help me rip off successful games

just started this drawing and ill just keep on adding hands till its full.

>>3676191
Fuck you buddy.
I'm just trying to learn how to draw simple shit and kingdom has the exact simply looking graphics that I like.
Its a shit NPC game in any other sense, there is nothing except for the graphics to rip off.

>>3676191
Just doing the standard practice from the industry

>>3676200
>I'm just trying to learn how to draw simple shit
>I'm just a complete amateur who wants to make somewhat bearable art for his shitty little indie games
This two sentences are not the same.
Fuck you too.

>>3676196
photo of my friend that i kinda fucked up

>>3676207
Yeah they are not the same.
You some kind of a genius?

What's the point of posting here? The advice is really shitty. Good red lines are rare.

>>3676223
That's because these threads are troll threads.
The only advice that is actual advice is constructive criticism, not going around telling people how they "will never make it"

>>3675807
well i'd like to draw from life but im a bit afraid i'll symbol draw it but im usually good at analyzing pictures

>>3676037

>>3676257
i'll do the best i can

>>3676157
I like it, it kinda reminds me of Silent Hill with the colors and the body horror.

A little lighting study I did after work. If you could critique this, and offer a suggestion for my next exercise, I'd be grateful

I understand now, I knew and worked with Station Point and 45° measuring point in both one and two point perspective but it seems I didn't fully understand it, otherwise I could've came out with this solutions.

Now thanks to you I can move to other perspective problems and of course come back and make sure I fully understand the basics.

Thank you very much!

>>3676339
that's the shit anon! Keep it up!

>>3675877
I'm really going to study it, and yes, now that my answer has been answered I can see that I could've worked it out if I has had better understanding of my current knowledge.

I appreciate your advices. Thank you.

Is this art

>>3676339
with a large source of light, you'll have a soft shadow, which you already do at the back but not on the sides

>>3676339
>>3676405
see also this, you don't have penumbra on the sides

>>3676365
Just to be clear, in 2pt you would use the LMP if the aux VP is above/below the LVP and conversely, the RMP if it's on the RVP. Not the 45 degree MP. This kind of stuff is tough to explain in this format so obviously I suggest more formal resources... but anyway, good luck

>>3676394
No.

>>3676394
Maybe.

>>3676405
>>3676408
Understood. Thank you for the lessons and tutorials.

>>3676141
Unironically like the left one more.
Looks more 3-D.

Just someone tell me how do i unfuck up this one

Hi. Truly /Beg/inner here. Just did this from a book i have, is called Draw Step by step by Doug DuBosque however it has zero theory and just exercises without any explanation of technique nor theory. Is this a good way to start? Or should i move on and look for more resorceful material?

I basically just copied the drawings, he draw some cirles and write little inscructions but never explain why.

Any thoughts on my drawing? What should i improve

>>3676503
Excercise 1

>>3676503
>Any thoughts on my drawing?
Cute dogs.

>>3676503
Excercise 2

DAE have trouble finishing sketches. My sketchbook is just a ton of 50-75% done stuff.

Whats a good way to pracitce form? Ive been using a website that flashes a bunch of different poses over 8 minutes and just drawing all of them til the time runs up.

>>3676542
>My sketchbook is just a ton of 50-75% done stuff.
iktf bro. same here. apparently it gets easier with confidence, which I could believe desu. I think if I actually knew what I was doing I wouldn't be doing shitty sketches and just practice while thinking super hard on every line - exhausting me before it's done (so to speak).
I dunno tho. I just hope. I usually draw something digital that I work on for like a week half-assedly to make something ""finished""

Art courses here mostly base stuff on drawing from life as much as possible with corrects/suggestions/hints made by tutors. Do I need to read books or can I learn by drawing from life (or later from photos) all the time? Eventually, watching some /ic/ approved youtube channels?

>>3676551
Generally, I'm a beginner and I struggle with drawing properly proper empty-space stuff from drawing with the right side, but if I do whole object or scene simultaneously as opposed to drawing a single line "in-order" from one point through the whole thing till I close it, as my tutor calls it, I do slightly better. While drawing and filling stuff (drawing non-external edges) it's even easier. I think I see the empty/blank spaces, tho.

value warmups

Pls someone make a new thread

How do I make very dark values? I have 4,6,9 B Derwent graphic pencils and some conte carbon pencils and no matter what I tried I couldn't achieve a strong black or grey. I also broke the peeled off conte as I pressed hard. Paper is paperline 2000 that I got a year ago because it was cheap

>Don't draw women much
>First time working digitally
>First time doing..."anime"...ish

All and all it turned out better then I expected, might try again. Advice and criticism would be nice.

>>3676776
LOL

>>3676776
Why's a cyclops in drag

>>3676793
It's title is One Eyed Surprise. I should have mentioned that.

>>3676776

>>3674703
surreal, I like it

but otherwise, garbage

>>3675375
pretty cool

>>3676836
>high effort

>>3676902
y-yeah I'm >>3676784 and it wasn't very constructive, so embarrassing myself with an attempt of my own seemed appropriate

>>3676850
I just wanted to know where Waldo was.
Now I wish I didn't.

>>3676776
Forehead’s too big. And make the clothing lines softer. Like maybe a slightly darker version of the main color, rather than black like the outline.
Forearm also looks a bit short, and the breasts could use some restructuring. They look more like male pectorals. Good luck!

Thoughts on my fantasy knight design? This is a basic draft, and I want to put something on his beltpiece or chestpiece, some sort of design or emblem.

drew leena

FUCK
ME

>>3676850
go back to the /a/ drawthreads you faggot

>>3677013
Those boots like Gundam boots anon, the drawing itself is good but the aesthetic doesn't really strike me as fantasy even weeaboo fantasy. It seems too streamlined and seems like factory made like a modern daycar. Maybe you could get away with really really high fantasy where literally everyone is shitting magic all day and everyone has magitech bullshit science that is basically modern day technology just using magic as an excuse.

>>3677041
fuck off, reddirt

>>3677046
What’s a daycar? And yeah it is a bit of high fantasy. This guy would have access to a number of spells and powers and would be fighting giant and crazy monsters. Funny you mention the Gundam thing, I asked a friend about this design and he said the same thing, and I totally see it now. Seems my love for mecha as a child seeped through hard lol. I’ll definitely be redrafting this later.

What parts make it seem not like fantasy to you (Aside from the shoes)? I wanted to create a knight armor that was based on what we know about gladiators from Pompeii, with a medieval focus, and a bit of fantasy flair to make it look video-gamey.

>>3677029
Kek is this from a book or something? I swear I had to do this pic (or something extremely similar) in 6th grad art class.

>>3676494
He seems to be putting this weight on the right leg you can shift his body on it and make a pose like he is performing maybe?

I suggest you look into gesture drawing and practice it a bit every day. You can use the quickposes website from the links in the thread's 2nd OP post it is a great resource for doing just 1 minute basic poses. Don't draw the details you can just draw stickmen or puppetmen just try to find the body's movements and balance.

>>3674384

>>3677062
>What’s a daycar?
It is a typo I meant "Modern day car" my bad anon.

>What parts make it seem not like fantasy to you (Aside from the shoes)? I wanted to create a knight armor that was based on what we know about gladiators from Pompeii, with a medieval focus, and a bit of fantasy flair to make it look video-gamey.

Yes I see the helmet is based on a gladiator helmet.

My opinion is subjective (pic not mine I googled) art style changes and you can find arts pro and con of my opinion. I think my main problem is that I can't really see a person inside this armor, its proportions looks too slender no real space for a human body to move about and joints like the shoulder and elbow and smooth and the body appears just way to tall. As if it was a solid thing, a quick and agile robot instead of a man covered in thick plates, those don't seem like clothing or joints on an armor, those looks like his real joints. The other thing is the vibrant color scheme and shininess I guess...

I've had a tablet for almost a year now but I don't use it much because I struggle with doing any kind of linework on it, I feel pretty comfortable doing colors and shading but actual drawing is so much easier on paper. Should I be doing drills or something?

>>3677100
The black one looks really nice, I love seeing really good drawings done on lined paper or other kinds of paper that aren't meant for doing art on, I can't explain it.
Must have something to do with contrast but that looks kewl as hell.

>>3677156
The only way to improve is just to practice. Although, I find that when a lot of artists go from paper to tablet they don't undo or clean up their lines when they don't turn out well. If you watch something like: https://youtu.be/ZuK8nOMwNlM?t=260 you can see how much people have to undo their lines before they look right.

>>3677170
I think part of the reason for people undoing is that they are expecting the line that they put down to be the final line, so they keep undoing it.
What's a good way to stop this?

>>3677063
Yes and the /ic/ Sticky begginers guide says we should do it to get rid of "Symbol Drawning".

>>3677244
Symbol drawing is just a meme

>>3677247
So should i pass the sticky and the books? Where do i start then?

>>3677247
>>3677250
>>3677253
>>3677244
Not that Anon, symbol drawing means that you draw something while do not really know its shape in 3d space and how it would appear from different light sources, you do not use the theory of construction, perspective and light. So id you draw an eye you draw an eye on how you think it should looks like instead of a spherical object with with a lid over it. This is bad because you would not be able to draw it accurately in different angles and different shapes for different people. You "draw while you do not know how something actually looks like." so your drawing is from a muscle memory and guessing instead of fundamental knowledge about it.

please make a new thread already god damn it

>>3677264
And how is this applied when drawning by imagination and not copying things?

New Thread:

>>3677280
>>3677280
>>3677280

>>3677083
Bring the nose and mouth down a little bit to fill out the rest of her face you got there. She’s a little lumpy too, like her arms don’t become more slender as you get to the wrist. Also her breasts would be gigantic under the shirt, dunno if that’s what you’re going for though. The hand holding the staff is really awkward looking, maybe enlarge it a bit? And make the neck a bit straighter. Right now it has like, a gradient size, which wouldn’t really work.