/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Anime Tutorial Sites:
https://www.pixiv.net/howto
https://sensei.pixiv.net/
https://www.palmie.jp/

Sankaku Complex Tags: https://chan.sankakucomplex.com/?tags=color_trace
>how-to_guide, character_sheet, expression_chart, turnaround, concept_art, production_art, color_trace, anime_coloring, fake_screenshot, 80s, 90s

Head Drawing Tutorials:
Steve Huston: https://youtu.be/2T7cDY7YDsg
Babelab: http://babelab.blogspot.com/2011/11/feature-creep-constraining-face.html

General Tutorials:
電繪狂 Pin2D: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLd9YlgrhwWqCSiGwPwA_N_nqKfTLY1Kn8
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqerFtuc6nZ5NnJrsl0epww/videos
DokiDoki Drawing: https://youtu.be/t_IODIIYAe0
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY-tGAhulrOzRd6n1mLZwSg/videos
Pixiv One: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLulf7UObD28VWM2kRb7keI6_lbxQgm4jC
AnimeSijyuku: https://twitter.com/animesijyuku
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRYuHKwhgfCighvhR3n151w/videos

**Suggest some other resources that are useful for anime studies.**

May not be anime related complelty but figure construction is pissing me off. I've been at it for years and I'm at this close to just....ugh.

Every method I have tried doesn't work for me. New issues arise like "how do I trust the body, bending, foreshortening". I went through the nma library and every teacher has their own method but when it all comes down to it the same problems come up. I p8ck up one style only to drop another method for another method the next month and it just repeats itself. I angers me to no end. I found drawing figures as boxes work the best and has the best solutions, but I don't know why I can't just stick with one way of doing it.

anime noob here, why is the mouth drawn like this with a gap in the middle?

>>3668245
you have no imagination do you, dont think too hard about it sport

>>3668245
If you look at a real pair of lips, there's a bit that comes down a bit in a the centre.

>>3668249
There's probably better outlets for your anger than this website.

>>No.3667931
thoughts?

>>3667931
thoughts?

>>3668277
I think you need face construction. The features aren't in the right place.

>>3668283
>>3668277
I know it is really insulting to be told you need face construction, when you obviously did use a construction. But try this book

https://mega.nz/#F!UcNG2AiT!jeyWwP1gtQXXz6R29o5bgw!dAVnjQpR

>>3668283
>>3668319
study thread for a reason! thanks, i'll look into it

>>3668260
>anger
lol what

I suck at coloring, I know, but I can't help but feel like the lineart/design isn't quite anime.
Any thoughts?

>>3668260
>If you look at a real pair of lips, there's a bit that comes down a bit in a the centre.
nay, there's a rule in inking that when there's a compression of objects (like when a leg is pressed against buttocks or hand on a cheeck, etc.) you fade the line, so visually there's no confusion whether one object is in front of the other or pressed on top of it.
it's a pretty recent trend to apply it to closed mouths, since a closed mouth is just a line, one lip in front of the other just changed shape of the line.
however, when you fade it, you exagerate the compression, resulting in expressed nervousness of the character. it's more natural for the mouth to appear angular, as opposed to rounded, because lips are tightened (when feeling tense or nervous) but there are always exceptions to the rule and corners of the mouth are pressed against the cheecks when people smile, causing a darker shadow there, so it makes sense even on rounded mouths.

>>3668385
anatomy.

>>3668385
>lineart/design isn't quite anime
because it sucks
all proportions are out of whack, accentuated by extreme perspective.

>>3668385
Neck.

>>3668389
>>3668390
>>3668394
Alright, thanks for the pointers!

>>3643266

>>3668387
Not him but thanks thats very helpful

>>3668831
This is a qt but her eyes are too close together.

>>3658580
I've been trying to render this but it feels like it looks better with the simple cel shading I put down in the beginning...

first time doing this new to this thread

sorry I only too late realized that the girl was supposed to be japonese

>>3669832
Doesn't have to be japanese, anon. People are just autists here. The important thing is how anime your art looks

How do I paint in the lines

>>3669955
you dont, you paint roughly so you cover anything then you use an eraser to clean it up

>>3669424
Right looks better than left though in my opinion, nice one.
Don't hesitate to go harder with the contrast when you render anon. I can barely notice a difference between the two versions.

>>3669424
>>3669975
I like left better i like the contrast
its a very good drawing, my only critique would be the chin itself is kinda weird but you see that exact type of chin a lot in anime so thats on me and not your mistake

>>3669983
>>3669975
It's the classic 4chan "first one's better" and subsequent "second one's better". I agree I'm far too timid on the rendering. Anyway, I'm just going to try finish this one out. It'll probably end up looking worse but I'll probably learn something along the way

Thanks anons

>>3670020
Sorry about that anon.
Do post the results if you don't mind, I'm quite curious about it.

>>3669832

tried to put more effort in

>>3670199
anon, you've added an extra finger...

>>3670206
;_;

>>3670199
>>3670208
dw cut it off and make it mild guro

>>3670208
>>3670199
>The six finger curse is real
kek

>>3668277
/fit/ here, don't give her hyperlordosis on the right.

tried to develop lineart

i was checking this thread for today and i think almost everyone has made the same mistake:copy too much the reference anatomy.

i tried with >>3670199. on the left i just did a study of the pic and in the right tried to make it look more "animu" changing some aspects of it.

i tried to change some features and i broke the anatomy in some points to make it more appealing (at least for my eye)

>>3670452
hmm interesting
gonna do this next time

I think these are helping me but maybe I'm being too sloppy

>>3670499
whats with the scar on her chin

>>3670512
Just a construction line I didn't erase

>>3669955
Clipping mask over the lines. Just colour them as you colour.

>>3670452

>>3670514
>using construction on something handed to you on a platter
thats not how you use construction.

>>3670591
This is the kind of advice I'm looking for, thanks

>>3670591
>on something handed to you on a platter
What are you talking about retard. Using construction lines is fine if it helps the user doing it.

>>3670698
It's classic ic ngmi bait my dude, you shouldn't respond seriously

>3666789
I didn't do any color work, Instead I spent my time trying to figure how the lead artists of the fate series does things (by copying them, kinda) I want to try and do the rest of those tohsaka cosplay poses by emulating (failing) some lead artist styles. I don't want it to look like "my own style".

>3666754
I think I'm going crazy...

>>3670452
I think moving the feet breaks the leg position so it looks, to me, like she's got very short lower legs in your stylization

>>3670752
yeah, i changed a lot of things here>>3670752

>>3668222
>>3668225
Everything in the OP and the DokiDoki video are the exact things that /beg/ said Loomis would rise from his grave and kill me for

gotta keep drawing

god damn it where can I learn to render?

>>3671062
you are like, 5 books too early for rendering.

>>3671062
On a piece of printer paper with a pencil

>>3670199
hello, my name is inigo montoya

ok hows this now?

>>3671100
scratchy strokes and kinda unapealling art-style.

probably because how semi-realistic proportions the face has and the rest of the body looks like a copy of star vs the forces of evil

bad juxtaposition

>>3670730
>>3666789
>>3666754
didnt mean to greentxt the numbers.

>>3671062
It was difficult translating it to anime so I try to settle with something in between. Heck, it ended up looking like western style instead.

Personally I have never read Loomis. should I bother with it?

>>3671062
I think I'm going to try this one later. Who is the reference?

>>3671127
Bah! Fuck it. I am gonna hop on danbooru later to look for some reference on anime faces. Cant really do it with just memory

ok guys now I tried real hard

>>3671180
Apply yourself.

>>3670199
>>3670335
>>3671062
>>3671100
>>3671180
If these are serious you need to take a step back from anime and learn how to draw.

>>3671180
fundies anon...
fundies..

>>3671180
Let's be honest, this guy didn't try at all, can't even give advice with this lazy attempt.

>>3670652
It's shit advice that will only serve to make you worse. I hope you were being sarcastic.

>>3671180
You didn't try anything. Slow down, focus on one image, and draw it more than once. Stop doing this realism to anime thing; you're just going to end up with a horrible uncanny style. Pick anime or pick realism and copy it exactly with construction and basic shapes. Read Huston's book in the OP to get a good method for doing that.

Though all of that is more for other people reading the thread since you are likely trying to just clog up the thread so you can later come back and laugh at it.

>>3671183
>>3671223
>>3671570
>>3671581
>>3671590

you guys are right
it looked good to me when I had the chicken-scratch sketch only
then when I started to """"render'""""" all the flaws came out
but I wanted to post it anyway cause it took me a while (polishing the turds)

>anime study thread
>everyone posts refs of real life people
>little to no actual pictures of anime drawings from Japanese artists

>>3670730
>>3671104
You're doing good. Alongside copying, check that you can consistently draw those exact heads from memory. Go back and forth between copying and drawing from memory, move on to the next anime drawing to study, then later come back to these to reinforce your memory.

>>3671604
It's good that you're eager and excited by what you created, just take it slow and show us several thoughtful attempts at one anime reference. Avoid coloring them for now.

>>3671135
looks like mina from twice

how do i get on his level

>>3671062
This is what happens when you skip the fundamentals and follow retarded advice such as "lmao just copy anime".

Lmao just copy anime only makes sense once you have strong fundamentals

>>3671948
in essence, you're right. people shouldn't just ignore fundamentals and copy anime. but you picked a real stupid example to try and make your point. the dude is literally NOT copying anime. anon you are so close to not being retarded... just try a little bit harder and think about how to make your point

does anybody have some collection with hairstyles references from different angles?

tfw don't know how to color
Does it look passable besides that?

>>3672412
>now I've noticed how hecked up it is compared to the ref
top yikes

How do I stop being lazy? I want to be as unlazy as an asian. The problem is whenever I start a drawing, I start hating my drawing instantly and I stop being invested in drawing, so now most of my drawings are unfinished crap.

>>3672412
I guess it does but her right leg is weird

>>3671100
you should try being less stiff with your strokes. Real life isn't squares. I invite you to learn perspective.

>>3670452
b-b-brush settings douka onegaishimasu

>>3672492
....seriously?

>>3672495
I am being serious

>>3672492
It's probably just hard round with pressure set to density

>>3672489
her right or your right? get it right, nigga

>>3672485
by doing and not nitpicking the small things. Also, ask yourself, why do you draw? If you cant come up with a decent answer, do something else.

>>3671140
here's my attempt at anime anon, you're to tied down to the original picture form I guess

Spending some time studying different emotions. Last night was open-mouth smiles.

Practicing some open-mouth smiles

>>3672581
I geniunely love to draw for the sake of it. It has been something I did for a long time, although recently I can't get myself to finish anything. I absolutely the process of coloring and refining. I had no problem with that before. I think it's just my depression consuming me.

>>3672750
Be active, inactivity leads to boredom which leads to depression. Boredom is like our default state. With no stimulation we start over analysing ourselves and focusing on our have nots rather than our haves. Once we do that, we only see our own faults and bask in the luxury of self pity. Its comfortable to be depressed and hard to be proactive.

>>3672652
Why is majima so beautiful

>>3672652
>>3672879
Yakuza 0 Majima was best though.

>>3672879
We don't deserve him, Anon.

>>3672884
Factually incorrect, but still pretty good.

Does anyone struggle with drawing eyes consistently? I always draw one bigger than the other or mess up the pupils.

>>3673034
I struggle with wrapping the curves around a curved head.

>>3673034
draw horizontal lines next time.

Is this just some noise filter and very very subtle chromatic abrasion? Not looking for opinions on the style, I'm just curious how this was made.

>>3673034
just ctrl c ctrl v bro

>>3673346
I don't do digital yet.

>>3673350
I was drew traditional all my life and was afraid of making the switch and having to relearn everything but when I did i wish i had done it sooner, i feel like i learn faster digital too becase you can practise so much more and more easily, do it anon

the one thing i miss is the feeling of different pens and my favorite ink-pen that you cant really recreate in photoshop

>>3673351
I don't do digital because I can't afford a tablet.

>>3673186
Yeah
Noise or grain filter

>>3672652
Tried something different than normal, I kind of like it.

Nice work artistic people :)

>>3673403
Thanks Stace!

>>3670208
Good laughter, keep going brother. No shortcut to not sucking

>>3644918

was trying to replicate the expression and didn't quite get it

>>3674450
I think the nasolabial fold and that your drawing has her mouth a bit more pursed makes her look disgusted rather than blankly staring.

>>3668245
few reasons
1. call less attention to the mouth by making it less pronounced as softer thinner lines don't stand out as much and a small mouth is attractive on an anime character unless used for comical effect.
2 basic line theory states that softer forms have lighter silhouettes and when lips are pressed together it forms a soft space that can be shown by a gap in the line detailing the shadow of the mouth.

>>3670698
>>3670711
not him but a construction line on a face like that will prolly actually just confuse him since that face didnt use construction to begin with if he was using a grid method maybe but you can see he really did try to construct a classic face on top of the assumed image which was not how the artist drew that and will cement poor understanding of construction later down the line.

I did this one twice but both times I got lazy and didn't do the earrings.

>>3671900
Thanks

>>3671588
I thought one stupid response deserved another

>>3674711
My dude, it's really not that nuanced. If you're drawing a face from straight on, just lay down a center line. It'll help with symmetry

>>3668222
tell me what's wrong with it
I am not a nazi lol

>>3675239
neck

>>3673820
This is a pretty cool stylization anon! The pose looks a bit too stiff though

>>3668245
lol @ all the idiots overcomplicating this

it's literally just a stylistic choice

>>3675239
pupils are asymmetric for some reason.

>>3672412
>Does it look passable
not really... just move on

Why are faces so hard to draw!

How are the backgrounds of anime shows made? Is it oils? Watercolors? Pastels? How would i go about replicating the style digitally?

pls crit

>>3675595
poster paint, watercolor, edge detect/tracing a picture and then digital painting

>>3671611
This. Stop the 3D.

>>3675596
Stop copying anime.

>>3675605
But this is an anime study thread.

>>3675607
If you're copying anime and calling it a "study" you're doing it wrong. Stop copying anime.

>>3675609
Well then, what do you suggest?

>>3675291
Damn, really? tfw thought it looked okay. How do I stop being blind

Any tips on hair detailing?
Too much detail just makes the hair look raggy like a mop. Too little makes it look blocky. How do I get the right amount of hair detail?

>>3675615
Use real world references, and experiment. By doing so you would indirectly develop an approach towards the difficult problem of deviating away from life into the abstract and at the same time develop the ability to draw from imagination.

>>3675621
Not him but it looks pretty good to me.

>>3675626
I don't want to draw realistically. I want to draw cute girls.

>>3675615
>>3675628
Don't listen to him. If you copy anime correctly using construction and basic shapes, you'll get better at drawing anime.

>>3675628
I never said you're going to copy the figure, I said you're going to reference which means you're using the gesture from the figure, translate it into a concept, stylize the forms from the abstract (the gesture form), and experiment with fundamentals behind the figure (form, proportion, anatomy) all while deducing the figure into a simplified but fundamentally sound figure hence the weeaboo style you're trying to mimic but do not understand and refuse to recognize the how and why of it.

Here's the fact, your cancerous chink cartoons are derived from life whether you like it or not.

>>3675629
this is how you end up with muscular, rugged linear anime girls that look structurally impressive but ugly in all other aspects

>>3675596
your eyes are really uneven. try to match the roundness of her right with her left eye. you should draw lines across the face matching the tilt and the features should line up. her left eye feels really big, square, and thickly eyebrowed.

this is with mouse but two different tweaks in addition to your original picture. redraw the face more. the width is probably right how you have it but eye needs to translate up and shaped up to be more like the other eye.

>>3675645
>blind leading the blind

>>3675622
I would also like advice on this. It's so fucking annoying.

>>3675634
>the weeaboo style
>your cancerous chink cartoons
I'm sure you're a real genuine anime expert, crab-kun.

>>3675645
Thank you for the advice. I often have trouble aligning up facial features, especially the chin, which probably threw the eyes off. I'll try working on faces more.

>>3675657
Keep spinning that wheel retards, but no matter how fast you run you'll get nowhere, ever ever.

>>3675661
(snip snip)

>>3675670
Not an argument.

I'm never going to make it. I can't fucking draw eyes correctly.

>>3675688
I am in the same boat as you Anon. Can't draw a cute face to save my life.

>>3675634

>>3675692
>>3675688
Keep trying anon. Im in the same position as you before.

>>3675621
isn't her left breast considerably bigger than her right, considering the perspective it should either sit higher, or the right one should be lower. Other than that I'm sure you already noticed it but those thighs are horrible. Look up some thicc animu girls and how the meat in the thigh area is pushed up when the lower leg is folded in.

>>3673186
looks neat, who's the artist anon? machine searches gave me nothing

If you're picky about the type of ref you use, you're ngmi

>>3675879
nice

>>3675879
kek

>>3675879
Das the good shit my dude

>>3675879
what do you even get from this ref that isn't just the pose

>>3675879
It's not mine btw
Sauce is https://twitter.com/kurodukimajaja/status/1061517433821790208?s=09

>>3675688
zoom out a ton then place them on the face. try not to draw an eye but the general area it should sit.

how is anime study different than alt/cartoon?

Let's get uh those refs rollin

>>3675985

>>3675985
I'm turning this into a cute boy

And

Could someone translate this?

1/2

>>3676193
2/2

>>3676193
>>3676194
here's a crude translation:

1. base
2. add first level of shadow (color indicated by the heart)
3. use air brush to create a gradient for a second level of shadow
4. add a bright color to the pupil
5. highlight. something something high contrast
6. add in the reflected light. use soft eraser on the bottom of the reflected light
7. around the bottom add a color high in saturation and put it in the overlay layer mode
8. add in the shadow for the eye whites.
9. on the highlight layer, draw the reflection, duplicate layer, put it underneath, use Gaussian blur

2/2 add some sparkles or some shit on the eye something about enjoying the journey.

>>3675879
absolutely based

How do I shade hair? This shit is so much harder than I imagine.

How much do you all study from life? How much have you guys studied from life in the past?

>>3675879
I'm more shocked by how those screenshots look like they're from YouTube

>>3676615
Not much. Not much either.

>>3676615
I have literally never seen real life.

>>3676615
Frequently

If I wanna draw cute girls do I still loomis?

>>3676916
not his bodies, but most head construction derives from loomis. split a ball and thats the eyes, thirds for hairline-bottom of nose-chin, and so on. for figures look at huston and hampton, then get to copying anime.

>>3676916
not his bodies, but most head construction derives from loomis. split a ball and thats the eyes, thirds for hairline-brow ridge-bottom of nose-chin, and so on. for figures look at huston and hampton, then get to copying anime. it depends on what you want to make but cute girls are still very much based on reality.

how do I shade the shades shades

>>3676955
Shade the shade of the shades.

>>3676916
Loomis is a meme.

How do you guys usually invent your poses?

>>3675914
The foreshadowing

>>3676987
I find one and copy it
arms can usually change to anything desu

>>3676987
I find a similar pose on my folders. If not, I try to pose them myself

>>3676987
>ref from real photo
>recreate pose in a 3d poser tool
>trying out different angle/composition
>profit

>>3675879
based and redpilled ricardo-poster

>>3676987
Gucci catalogs.

>>3677009
>>3677030
>>3677059
yeah done these before

>>3677240
this one is new, thanks for the tip

This is the last place on /ic/ where you can still have fun.

>>3677539
How are you planing on rendering it? Looks cute

Can anyone translate what it says?

Just write it over in paint or something.

>>3677059
Where's that top one from? Also that pose is really not possible, unless she's spreading her legs further apart. There's just not enough space to fit a whole person there

>>3677240
Their poses are so boring though, not sure why you would want to use them.Any kind of pinup magazines would probably be better.

>>3677682
Araki makes them work.

>>3677664
It says: "Just draw"

>>3677697
Araki can't draw.

>>3677741
Post your work.

>>3677741
pyw

>>3677745
>>3677746
I- I was joking.

>>3677664
stop worrying so much about translations and just start drawing, copy the image and reverse enginneer it. when copying try to put yourself into the mind of the artist who drew it and break it down that way. copy it several times if you need to if you don't understand the first time

>>3677823
also adding onto this if you copy and re create the work of an artist or artist you like enough times eventually you will be able to flawlessly be able to draw just like them it's just all about keeping at it and consistently copying their work with thought behind it. don't care about how many drawings it takes for you to get to their level just keep making those copies and studies of their work.

>>3677823
>>3677823 (You)
also adding onto this if you copy and re create the work of an artist or artists you like enough times eventually you will be able to flawlessly be able to draw just like them it's just all about keeping at it and consistently copying their work with thought behind it. don't care about how many drawings it takes for you to get to their level just keep making those copies and studies of their work.

>>3677823
also adding onto this if you copy and re create the work of an artist or artists you like enough times eventually you will be able to flawlessly be able to draw just like them it's just all about keeping at it and consistently copying their work with thought behind it. don't care about how many drawings it takes for you to get to their level just keep making those copies and studies of their work.

>>3676983
What would you suggest

>>3676983
post your work

>>3677856
>post your work
Here's a little something I'm currently working on. So take it from me, all it takes is grinding and studying from real life/ authentic japanese anime, anyone spouting "hurr loomis" is retarded.

>>3677850
Fuck that guy. Loomis is great for laying out the groundwork and giving a simple understanding of how to place the eyes, nose and chin. After you're so comfy with Loomis you should test yourself without using his method (ie sphere,) Then you should move on to figure drawing, and understand how the body is shape. Once done you make you're own model and go from there.

>>3677865
I'm at a loss for words, holy fucking shit anon

>>3677865
>>3677911
It's obviously a joke.

Absolute beginner here.
Trying to draw faces with what I could understand from the japanese books in the OP links, but it still seems kinda odd.
Can anyone please give advice or where to find translated guidelines tutorials?

>>3677933
pixiv is a good place to look for tutorials

>>3677681
>Where's that top one from?
Custom maid 3d 2
>Also that pose is really not possible, unless she's spreading her legs further apart. There's just not enough space to fit a whole person there
That was made a while ago so I don't remember the detail. Yeah, there was something odd but I thought the girl waist was slim enough to fit in between the other one's crotch

>>3677939
Thanks, found a lot of information there.
It's a shame that i can't understand japanese for further learning, but it's ok since most of the images are self-explanatory.

>>3677911
You masive fucking cunt, I bet that NOW youre going to say that it was a joke

>>3677982
Jesus that's one hell of a way to do head proportions... You should probably be more discriminating with regard to the material you study from

>>3677982
that's the attitude anon I don't understand Japanese but I study the images as they are more powerful than words. a single image can explain something better than 1000 words, I can tell you're gmi with that attitude. my advice: draw frequently and also fast don't be sentimental about your drawings to much when your learning it takes "for every pro art work you see just know that the artist went through over a 1000 mistakes before they got to there skill level". in short don't be afraid to make mistakes and learn from them as not doing so will hold you back. also think in 3d forms when drawing not 2d!

>>3677982
that's the attitude anon I don't understand Japanese but I study the images as they are more powerful than words a single image can explain something better than 1000 words I can tell you're gmi with that attitude. my advice: draw frequently and also fast don't be sentimental about your drawings to much when your learning as "for every pro art work you see just know that the artist went through over a 10000 mistakes before they got to their skill level". in short don't be afraid to make mistakes and learn from them as not doing so will hold you back. also think in 3d forms when drawing not 2d!

>>3678016
>for every pro art work you see just know that the artist went through over a 10000 mistakes before they got to their skill level

I think the 10000 mistakes are from attempts with some sort effort behind them... Please apply yourself, anon

>>3678009
Yes, please for the love of god don't trust an anime drawing resource just because it's from Japan. Remember that there's fair share of bad Japanese artists, even in published books, so just use your head a bit more and be selective.

>>3678017

this just me doodling, i can draw with more effort when i want to and even make polished work, just focusing on being loose because i noticed a mangaka i follow starts his pages very loose and scribbly sometimes

>>3678030
o-ok then... my mistake

>>3670730
I swear I'm still working on this

>>3671845
now how would I apply this with drapery and color?

>>3677664
that's chinese, retard. ngmi

>>3678046
But nobody claimed that it isn't

>>3678011
Thank you for the advice, I really appreciate that. I'm trying to make a drawing every day in my sketchbook and it's pretty nice to see when some improvement happens.

Quick question here. What parts of the anatomy is the most important in distinguishing the piece as anime-styled?

>>3678066
The head. And if you want to break that down, the eyes, chin, nose, mouth, cranium, and ears, in descending order.

>>3678066
feet

>>3677664
something about reflective material, use your fucking eyes

>>3678046
>he can't read chinese
ngmi

>>3678046
So?

Been trying to study the contours of the tummy and the muscle and fat surrounding it around to the hip area, I find it a bit difficult to do studies off real models due to usually too much fat that makes the abdominal muscle not visible. Are anime figures a good substitute to study these? picrelated is something I took from /a/ buythread

>>3668245
Part of it is that the corners of the mouth are darker than the rest. You show an expression with just the corners. Most of anime is about implying details that aren't actually shown. They don't add detail to fabric or hair for example, your brain fills in the rest. Its no different for the mouth.

>>3675283
it's a stylistic choice in the sense that people draw it "cause that's what anime is like" but the explanations in this thread do explain how it originally came to be.

Stylistic choices tend to have reasons behind them, even if most people are unaware of those reasons and just copy it blindly.

>>3669832
>>3670199
Unironically keep it up. While these have plenty of flaws, I think that you're on the right track and given enough time, you'll be able to draw well.

>>3678210
Try to grind through the Anatomy for Sculptors book. It helped me identify torso and abdominal muscles/fat

How do i even begin to learn Anime style if all the resources are in Japanese?

Also, translation please.

>>3678467
It says "just draw"

>>3675992

>>3678544
lmao seriously though the words don't matter imo. You can see what they are drawing

>>3678467
just learn japanese bro

how trustworthy is this image as a reference for proportions?

Anyone know of any good translated anime books to start with?

>>3678826
If I'm going to memorize measurements to that degree, I'd work with something that places more emphasis on the relationships between actual bony landmarks of the skeleton. You could scale back the other way and memorize simpler proportions for simpler mannequins too.

But that image is like the worst of both worlds. It's a lot of measurements to memorize for a mannequin that defines the human body so poorly.

>>3674171

>>3678921
Cute, but that pelvis could use some work. The pose is a little off balance too. You'll notice that in the reference, he is leaning forward and his center of gravity is supported by his left foot. The character in your image has her torso in a more upright position which looks like she's about to fall backwards... Disregard if you plan to have the tail be a point of support too. It's hard to tell without a ground plane

shouldn't the yellow stringbundle thing (on the right) be tilted upwards? her ear machine thing is tilted off the main perspective.

>>3678962
oh my fuck wrong picture

>>3678962
is that feminist bayonetta?

>>3678967
yeah
its based off this and I thought she looked kinda nice

>>3678966
If the bundle thing is at rest, then yeah the bottom face should be shown. Looks like a screen cap though, maybe it was in motion?

>>3678974
>this lady hates bayonetta so I drew her as bayonetta
kek what an absolute madman

>>3678974
absolutely based kamiya

>>3678974
>this lady hates bayonetta so I made her semi famous
>this person on twitter did a thing so I saved it and posted it on 4chan xd

whoa

>>3678977
yeah its a screenshot from the kancolle movie
its was those shots where the character is still for a few seconds to emphasize the scene or something.

Does anyone have a good resource for expressions? I've been slowly studying different emotions but going to Danbooru and randomly searching is kind of a mixed bag.

>>3679055
This book's pretty sweet, look for (Hard Deluxe) Draw with Digital Tools! 「Facial Expression」in the OP's japanese book mega link

>>3679058
Oops. guess I should've actually read the OP. Thanks for the rec.

>>3678690
dashing

Are there any books translated from the Japanese collection?

I really want to learn how to draw Chibi.

How can I draw like this?

>>3678066
All of it. Anime involves deformation throughout the whole body. If you make it to realistic, you'll just end up drawing brown space marines.

>>3679119
God those are ugly

>>3677867
Fuck you, and fuck that hack Loomis too.

If you don't know Japanese, you'll never be able to read the super special books that hold the secrets to drawing anime and the Japanese hide from filthy gaijin.

>>3679389
I think they're cute.

>>3679381
practice drawing lines like that
practice the proportions
practice drawing anime faces
practice drawing cloth and clothing

This person has hundreds of images online that you can use as references.

>>3679436
this pretty much sums it up

>>3676983
>>3679395
no rules just tools

Any recommended English Anime books?

>>3679788
there are none (no, really)

>>3678966
You're right, her head is placed above the eye level and so it's only correct for things to be seen from a lower-point perspective. Meaning that we should see the underside of anything on her. Then again this looks like a screencap from the anime and not a fanart, and anime often have small mistakes like this (even if this is a close up shot and that things should be drawn with more efffort). An alternative answer would be that she's in the middle of a forward-moving motion, making her yellow thing lag behind in the air, but that's a bit unlikely seeing how her sidebangs are actually displaying signs of a backwards-motion, making that yellow stringbundle thing even more wrong.

>>3679788
Sketching Manga-Style is probably the only good translated anime book. The authors aren't masterful, but the content is decent. But you can get most of the info inside the book from elsewhere anyways.

>>3679788
Genki I & II

How do I make my shit looks less digital in CSP?
I've experimented with textures in both brushes and as texture combine over the entire canvas but nothing looks right.
Texture combine over the entire screen is what I guess most good artists actually use, but when I try it myself it just doesn't look right, you can almost notice the tiles.
Textured brushes really varies on the resolution and size of the texture and it's hard to find something that feels realistic, paper-like. When I think I do, the result after coloring is pretty bad because the textures lineart has blank gaps in between the colors..
Is this even the right thread to ask about stuff like this? Feels like both /i/ and /ic/ doesn't care about mastering your software and tool workflow even though it's so important. I've been occasionally browsing both boards and I still can't believe I never saw a simple "CSP thread" or "Sai thread"

>>3679909
Do you have any examples of what you want to achieve? It's better than stumbling blindly in a vacuum which always leads to frustration.
If you don't have any yet, try to find lineart or sketches done by your favourite artists, then design your brush with that as a reference

>>3675988

>>3678826
jesus no. learn the skeletal landmarks and then the average of 7.5 heads (from there you can analyze works you like, a lot of anime is more like 5-6 heads for girls and 2-3.5 for chibi shit). look at huston, vilppu, or hampton. this is why we tell you to learn drawing from life. you need to know the actual anatomical relationships before you can start fucking around with them successfully.

most anime anatomy resources are bastardized, much worse versions of easily available english resources. your picture is some complicated chinese thing that seems to be 7 heads.

>>3680732
Speaking of huston, what is the best resource to learn his gesture?
I have watched the "the new masters" course, but i'm starting to get tired of all that "that's complicated, i will talk about it some other time" shit.

>>3680748
His book is on libgen and quite good, it goes through a lot of the NMA stuff in a more concrete way. I can't remember

>>3680761
Oh, he actually published a book?
I didn't know.
Google only gives his video courses on the main page.
Downloading now. Thanks.

>>3680765
Yeah, it's better than a lot of the videos I'd seen. It won't completely teach his gesture but your best bets of learning that is a combination of his book and the gesture vids. The youtube ones actually show off most of the important things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFP8L4OUL2E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDVz9s6OYPQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOZV2qL4ob4

I'm going through the book again with digital. Brushing up on some things I didn't do the first time like master studies and getting used to inking with digital as opposed to just rendering.

>>3679835
kek, just found this while looking for this book

>>3678066
The head and face. Depending on how much you stylize it, even a realistic body will still fit in snugly.

>>3680543
Good job!

>>3680873
Could you imagine sheilding your TEEN from anime girl legs? I also love the "lovers of modesty, BEWARE!!!" as if drawing nude figures is something disgusting that only perverts do
These are the types of parents that have mental breakdowns when they find out their 14 year old son looks at porn

>>3680901
In her defense I doubt it was tasteful nude poses and whatnot. A whole different group would go to a nude drawing event if the subject was anime age girls getting railed by ugly smelly fat dudes. I know the book doesn't have that but you get my point. Intended audiences for both the book and the drawings

>>3680543
Not anime.

>>3680919
looks east asian style to me
not uguu anime eyes enough for you huh

>>3679909
>Sketching Manga-Style

No one can give you advice without you giving examples first.

>>3680961
>looks east asian
Not anime.

>>3681019
nuh-uh

>>3681032
Just because it's based on an Asian person doesn't make it anime.

>>3681019
the face does, the body is pretty flat and shit though.

>>3681035
lmao nice logic

>making shitty eye-traces of JAV photos and calling it """"anime"""""

>been viewing /ic/ for a few weeks just because I like to write gay stories in my spare time and want to illustrate them light novel style but I keep getting conflicting opinions

>Learn 'real' art first then go for anime

>Don't bother wasting your time with traditional art if you want to draw anime, draw anime

I can understand both camps since anime is just a distorted reality so you should understand what real things look like before you start distorting them. But then others say just learn the rules of distortion and fuck everything else if you're only ever going to draw anime.

It also makes it a bit confusing, at what point do you consider that you're good enough at traditional artwork to bridge into anime?

>>3681176
>at what point do you consider that you're good enough at traditional artwork to bridge into anime?
When you can reliably draw what you see and have self-awareness to correct your own work.

>>3681184
Thanks anon.

>>3675992
Attempted promptly because tired

>>3681290
neck

>>3680919

>>3681176
>at what point do you consider that you're good enough at traditional artwork to bridge into anime?
As soon as you want to draw anime.
"Traditional artwork" is just an excuse for you to procrastinate. Draw what you want to draw. It's as simple as that.

>>3680543
Nice
>>3681019
It looks similar to some hentai artists

>>3681662
>hentai

>>3681666
>hentai isn't anime
Well that's not exactly wrong, but

>>3681295
yeah, looks like I made it a bit long, thanks anon. any other crits?

>>3682348
forehead

NEW THREAD:
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>>3682516
>>3682516