/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3660577
Suckable.

>>3660577
Put your real information, even if you do furry porn like me.

>>3660593
how do you get pass that?
Paypal wants an address and i think a number.

>>3660577
Payment upfront and make sure you set up your transaction in a way they don’t try charging back.

>>3660577
jesus christ some of those faces

>>3660601
post your work

>>3660577
>brown nipples on a green eyed redhead
This artist needs to be shot.

>>3660603
That op pic is photo bashed to shit, it looks jarring.

>>3660577
What's wrong with the outlines of their bodies

>>3660620
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn7fLxVIqUs

>>3660577
>those faces

>>3660596
Of course, i use my real address and a cell phone number.

>>3660626
Yeah my bad it's the black lines, is there a version without them?

>>3660577
Should I practice one fundamental at a time or a lot at a time

>>3660601
>>3660629
say that to my face faggot

>>3660598
how to do that?

I bought a fuckload of Staedtler pens that come in a package where the top can be folded back and the pens sit at an angle.

Is it better to store them like that or flat on their side?

>>3660661

Doubt it, it's part of his "style" or whatever

How do I practice the first few concepts of Perspective Made Easy without any concrete exercises in my head? Should I just follow all of the examples as close as possible? What if I'm a hikki and I can't do any of the outdoor examples?

Has anyone here used tempered hardboard? Will I be able to cut it by scoring it with a razor/xacto and snapping it like the non tempered? i'm poorfag so can't afford power tools and my home depot only carries the tempered stuff

>>3662965
doesn't make a difference. i bought some 10 years ago and still work. the tips will die long before the ink. cant tell if the ink degrade in color cos they work for lines, not surface coverage.

>>3660626
I would hope that I'd get around to digital painting sooner or later. But after watching this video, I feel I wouldn't have the patience. Guess I'll just stick to my cel shading and default brushes.

I want to know if pureref works on a 2 in 1 or tablet I'd like to lie down while I gather and organize ref also if it does work is it worth it or is it a really shitty experience

>>3660577
how do i pick colors when colouring a drawing? Like in a color picker what would I pick? I know just taking colors from the reference is bad practice so I'd like to avoid that basically. Is there actual theory behind it or is it mostly just playing around with what works?

>>3665747
learn by copying references

>>3660626
Watching this is really fascinating. As the drawing progresses the faces get more fucked up, it's like you need fresh eyes or risk losing sense of facial proportions.

>>3665785
post your work

>>3660577
What are the popular IPs of this season that people are drawing? I've been away from a while and couldn't keep up. Is Overwatch and Fate still a thing?

>>3665817
yes, along with LoL
Deltarune came out, sequel to Undertale
also Bowsette

>>3660661
Are those photobashed?

>>3665789
Why would I need to post work for an obvious observation?

>>3665825
Didn't bowsette already die?

Anyone know why Paint Tool SAI does this? and how to make it stop? i'm using ver. 1.2.5, it does this whenever i ctrl+Z after moving anything.

>>3666799
graphic driver issue or pirated copy of Sai
try reinstalling both

>>3666156
because surely you don't make the same mistakes if you can point them out

>>3666156
>wants to be a critic
>doesn't want to be criticized

>>3666804
>>3666820
>waaaah how dare he criticize a piece on /ic/
Unironically, where the fuck do you think you are?

>>3666799
(not saved)

maybe you should save it friend

>>3666880
we just want to know how much your critique is worth.

>>3666009
apparently not, i thought they were, did you check the reply chain?

>>3666910
The crabs have done too much damage to this place if you guys see valid pieces of criticism as "crabbing". If you reread my original comment I'm saying the artist draws faces fine then proceeds to lose sense of proportion and fucks them up on revisions. And this is coming from experience. It's like looking at a slightly malformed face and your brain tries to normalize it. That's why sometimes its better to take breaks and see your painting with fresh eyes, to get rid of that.

>>3666923
It's hard to define what's valid and what isn't. If someone posts their work and it's really good, people will be more likely to listen to it.

>>3666923
I was merely jesting with my first reply but I honestly don't see a lot that's wrong about these faces

>>3666926
Ultimately what I'm giving is advice so it's up to you to decide if it applies to you and take it. After spending some time here it gets really easy to see what's valid and not, hint: criticism on the subject matter and soul usually aren't.

>>3666927
I would try to fix them but honestly it's a lot of work without ps. The three in the middle look fine, but the others have problems like weirdly long midfaces and eyesockets too far from the face. Would normally chalk it up to style but the artist is using a realistic one.

>>3660577
This picture makes my peepee hard.

How do I stop these messages from popping up in photoshop?

>>3660577
what did the artist mean by this.

>>3667258
dont use the eraser on the hidden target layer.

So since ko-fi banned nsfw, what is everyone using these days, are you all just back to hoping Patreon doesn't catch you?
Sorry if this is spoonfeeding but I'm out of the loop and have nobody I can ask

How much of these concept art paintings are done with overlay colors and how much is painted directly with a color? I can't wrap my head around these moody digital paintings. Is it done with black and white underlay with colors painted on top of overlay layers, or just a sketch and then the colors applied directly on top. I know that ctrlPaint guy advocates a lot of 3D-model looking black and white underlays with colors added on transparent layers, but who knows?

I know how to approach an conceptual drawing of a character but these complex scenes overwhelm me. Thanks.

>>3668033

You can tell by how garbage the colors are in this that it was first done in b/w. It has that flat monochromatic look that is so unbelievably unappealing. Interesting enough it seems this look has spilled over to feature film. I hate it from the bottom of my heart - it's right up there with teal and orange grading.

>>3668033
everybody has their own technique. no technique can guarantee good results.
>>3668060
that is clearly an edited photo.

>>3667599
hehe

>>3668109
>>3668060

I thought that pic in particular might be paint over 3D render.. Yeah I don't really like color overlays either. I'm more used to painting with traditional media like gouache and mixing the colors on the side and applying them straight on. However slowly transitioning to digital I really find myself liking monochromatic studies, I feel I can really define objects as 3D that way, but overlaying them with transparent color layers gives me quite bleak wash out results.

I don't know, maybe I'll report back after thousand value and color studies.

Holy shit I'm losing my godamn mind, decided to try out Photoshop18 and I get this shitty straight line at the beginning of every stroke, what the fuck do I do?

>>3668132
that's not a joke, just literally stop drawing on layers that are not visible

>>3668179
Go to your tablet driver settings, turn off "Tip Double Click Distance"

Poorfag and living in a small space, literally have no money/place to put a table in.

I picked up drawing like half a year ago and started drawing every day since then. I was just sitting down on the floor hunched over the paper. My back is starting to kill me so I went and drew on my stomach laying down, and now it's my neck that hurts.

Any recommendations?

>>3668197
tape single sheets of paper to wall. Most of traditional easels are very vertical and it's healthy to stand and draw at eye level. It's exhausting at first but it took me long time to get used to standing in work (not art related tho lol).

It helps out also to take a step back and look your work as a whole from a viewing distance, so there are secret advantages to that too~

>>3668197
build a table, could be cheaper

>>3668197
Do you at least have a chair or stool? Maybe you can use that instead

>>3668191
No shit. I want a way to stop these hard popups from getting between me and the canvas whenever I accidentally perform an invalid operation. It's not limited to drawing on invisible layers.

>>3668210
Don't think there's a way to turn it off, Adobe is kinda inflexible with customization

>>3660577
What can i do to get an art gf?

How big do professional artists work? I can't get up to more than about 6K with my images if I have a lot of layers. I love doing detailed stuff so I don't know if I should just stick with less layers or try to imply shit more.

Pic. related. Talking about guys like Dave Rapoza, Brad Rigney and all those popular Chinese artists. Also production artists like Marek Okon.

>>3668193
wow that actually worked! you have my deepest thanks anon! I was disabling all kinds of shit in Ps but it was the driver, even though it works completely fine on manga studio for some reason.

thanks again.

Will I get in trouble for posting my art on tumblr if I use pirated software to make it?

>>3668235
1. Layers with transparency make your image heavier.
2. Heavy textured brushes demand higher canvas size.

>>3668282
No. Never.

Since I'm a piece of shit that can't commit to one thing I started drawing again after abandoning it months ago when I actually was getting gains.

Does this mean I have to start over again? The mere thought of it demotivates me so much.

>>3668297
But I assume if I start to publicly announce that I take commissions then I'll be in trouble, right?

>>3668308
What do you mean by starting over?

>>3668313
I just tried and I'm back to square one: chicken scratching, symbol drawing, and all my proportions are fucked again.

I spent months grinding out boxes and lines and beans and hours upon hours of drawing and at this rate I feel like I need to go back to doing those.

>>3668310
NO. Only publicly announcing that you use pirated software MIGHT get you in trouble.

>>3668314
Getting rusty is a pain in the ass but if you just draw and don't beat yourself up over it a lot of it will come back pretty quickly. It's like with other skills.

If I were you I would do mini refresher versions of those exercises (no more than 15-30 min) and also original drawings of your favorite subjects (why not try to combine them? I often start with beans and then turn them into anime girls). Even if this is not as good as raw minmaxing grind would be during optimal circumstances, it will probably be more fun and developing in the end since you'll spend less time procrastinating and losing focus because it's so boring.

>>3668292

I know, dipshit. That wasn't my question.

I'm considering starting to draw! I'm someone who is like, stick figure level currently so I'm literally starting from scratch ;P
My question is basically: When I have to write a lot with a pen or pencil my hand cramps up really badly due to me having developed a habit from childhood of holding it incorrectly. It's exactly like pic related.
If/when I start drawing, should I correct this from the very beginning or just I start off holding it like I do already and then kind of phase it into holding it correctly? If I forcibly correct it from the beginning it'll be way slower progress I think. Hope this makes sense and thanks in advance!

>>3660598
wait, how the fuck do ya do that?

>>3660577
Those nipples

>>3660789
paypal invoice or goods and services option. ask your commissioner for their PayPal email, or you can send them a link to the invoice (it's in the drop down menu for the send option).
>>3665747
In some programs like photoshop, you can take an average (3x3 or 5x5) with the eyedropper, but honestly, you just have to get used to approximating colors and recognizing tones and values. It also helps if you have a properly calibrated screen.
>>3667798
Patreon is fine as long as you hide it by having it be "patrons only", unless you draw vore. Violence-based sexual content is not allowed. Keep your main page sfw and you shouldn't have any issue.
>>3669522
Try holding it parallel to the paper, with the tip of the pencil at or past your fingertips (pic related). You'd just be rotating the pencil and your hand. use your shoulder and elbow to draw (this takes practice), and try to draw on an upright surface or flat with a wide breadth around you. That should help to minimize cramping.
God help you if you fist your pencil like a baby though.

Are there any good VIDEOS on basics of perspective?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok58EFWIdDQ&list=PLHas6Rc57xEdmH4CVffmYoDqB5j_pqndd
Here is a playlist but it's mostly regarding backgrounds/cityscapes. That kind of stuff can be scaled down to apply to smaller objects/bodies, so it's still helpful to know.

I don't understand how you measure your drawing using a cube (like krenz) if I can't find a way to draw a perfect cube in perspective, should i just eyeball it?
because in the end the "side" can end up being longer than the front.

>>3670434

You can draw a perfect cube by projecting a top view which is the same technique architects have used traditionally to make perspective renderings. However, for the purposes of drawing figures this is a waste of time and I can assure you no one does it. It's eyeballed. It doesn't have to be technically 100% accurate perspective, just look good enough.

>>3669641
Erik Olson, can be found on cgpeers

How do you guys keep from getting bored and losing focus when trying to study from books?

I enjoy drawing, and I'd like to improve, but art books just bore me and make me lose my attention, making it hard to learn what they're trying to teach.

>>3670478
If you're new and trying to plow through books because /ic/ told you to, think twice. There is nothing wrong with books if you can stand them but you can be wasting time if you're not reading to solve a certain problem that you have been able to define, or if you have too few hours on your back to understand what the book is really trying to say.

It's much easier to sit through a chapter on head construction if you've spent the evening drawing 100 heads from imagination. You will be full of questions that arose during the drawing session so now you have a context for the info dump in the book

>>3670478

I just figure shit out when I need to do it. Keep making your own art and when you're like "I wonder how that elbow would bend" you do a study etc. Obviously you want to learn the basics first but you get my point.

>>3670490
>>3670629
That makes sense. Thanks for the advice guys.

>>3660619
I am green-eyed redhead, and I have even darker nipples, so Idk what are you talking about. itt post your nipples bois

>>3670478
you can kind of brute force your way through by drawing something for every section or page or whatever. ostensibly to make sure you're parsing the words into a practical understanding but really it's just to stop your eyes glazing over.

it's worth noting also that most books are shit. they're by and large put together by artists who just want to make some quick $$$, they're usually not very well thought out and you get more out of the wip sketches in them than the words.

and even the books that are put together with a lot of thought are often aimed at reinforcing l'artistique fantasies for hobbyists, so they're a tiny bit of useful info with tons of jibber jabber... good example of that sort of thing is alla prima by schmid, very pretty book but if you learn to paint from it it's mainly by accident.

>>3660626
why do these people do detail work before they have all the lighting and colors blocked in?

>>3671012
talent

>>3671013
I didn't know doing things ass backward was a talent.

>>3671019
he can afford it because he has talent. you need crutches and rigid, step-by-step methodology because you don't, kid.

>>3671019

i learned programming when i was like 8, so when i went to school for it i did everything in weird ways that still worked. maybe they meant something like that?

>>3671020
So the deep seated structural problems you get from focusing on details before defining major forms don't matter because he has "talent"?
He's not just covering his flaws with more detail than necessary in order to trick idiots into thinking there's skill in it?

>>3668235
Flatten shit out as you go. Save a separate older version of the file if you're really paranoid about needing older layers. In that first image that main tree might start out as a single layer, then several new layers are added as detail is added, colors are glazed, etc. At some point you can flatten all those back down to 1 for the tree, then possibly 1 above it for new changes to it. Basically flatten each element as you become satisfied with it.

You could even save selections whenever you need to load them back up to preserve some sharp edges if needed.

6K is fine for most cases anyway

>>3671987
>save selections
Not that anon you're talking to, but I feel so stupid underestimating saved selections. It took me a Photoshop-for-babies, prerequisite class that made me start with the most basic shit to understand how efficient they are.

Bruce Timms Naughty and Nice.
I'm going throughthe whole book doing each drawing as a study.

However i want a muscular male alternative to sureup my anatomy knowledge as i go along.
Anyone know of a book full of muscular nudes?
lewd or otherwise.

Goalis to do 1 Male 1 Female drawing each time to not get fem burn.

Is redrawing every piece by your favorite artist a good way to get gud in that style? Taking note to do your own construction each time and not just outlining/ drawing what you see. ie referencing the pose-construction-features.

First time handling a drawing tablet.
What do you guys suggest to hold it? I'm just putting it on my lap out of a lack of room and I can't draw for shit like this.

>>3672311
if you want to know anatomy, don't study Bruce Timm.

>>3669613
Wait should I be holding the pencil like that all the time? I only do that on like 18x24 paper. I was told by my art teachers it’s okay to switch to “handwriting” form for smaller details, but i mean, fuck, I’m willing to retrain myself to have the most optimal ways of drawing/painting/etc.

>>3675663
on a flat desk bro right infront of ya.
move your keyboard if you gotta. I know your pain, tho.
don't forget a good posture!

>>3675708
I have/ is already studying anatomy.
Capturing the style is the key here.

My end goal is his style mixed with another artists so it's going towards my goal directly.

I just need male examples to draw as well.

First time having to deal with digital, what should I put in PPI when creating a new document?

>>3675966
300

Do weeb artists have some sort of clique I need to join to get any amount of decent exposure on twitter dot com?

>>3668211
Fug, thanks anyway

do you guys draw at an angle or flat on your tablets?
I like flat but it takes up too much space on desk, however drawing at a almost perpendicular angle tires me out quick.

Now that I got through a couple artbooks and understand construction and the "theory" behind most of the human body, what should I do?
Just grind figures all day? Is that the best way to become good at drawing actual human beings? Can I pick up a comic or whatever has human with good proportions in it and re-draw them, too?
What's the best way to progress for me now?

>>3675977
Become their friend. Required you to have some skill and social ability though. I have this one Twitter mutual who I helped out when she was staring out on Twitter and now she has twice my followers but she still retweets everything I post. I get a big boost every time she does.

>>3670964
P-post yours first

>>3677543
Study life to build the visual library in your head and draw from imagination

>>3676648
If you want to minimize the disturbance THAT badly, you can theoretically make an AHK script that automatically close the error window the moment it shows up.

What books should I read to draw like Ataruman?

where can i get cs6 if i dont know which torrent sites are good

What size would you recommend for a monitor for someone getting into drawing and 3D modeling?

>>3660675
>hunching over to tense your traps
>no delts
>hiding non-existent abs
>dressed like an utter dickhead
>taking picture after workout for muscle swelling to look bigger

lmao what a dyel

Są tu jacyś Polacy? Czy są jakieś polskie (lub przetłumaczone na polski) materiały albo poradniki, które mógłbym kupić w formie fizycznej? A jeżeli nie ma fizycznych to w cyfrowej?

Should I be making my art with the golden ratio in mind?

>>3668314
>>3668345
If this is a questions thread, this is like my second time on this board, what the hell is people talking about when they say shit like beans and boxes? It's like day 8 of me drawing, are there like magic exercises that make me a god? I'm used to grinding out useless shit, because I play fighting games.

>>3684189
Książki Loomisa masz po polsku, ale to chyba tyle.

>>3684189
Ja pierdole ale zjebanym trzeba być żeby nawet książki z obrazkami nie móc zrozumieć po angielsku xD twój Digart wiesz gdzie

>>3686089
Ja rozumiem angielski doskonale ale chciałem kupić jakąś fizyczną książkę do nauki, którą by łatwo było znaleźć w Polsce zamiast zamawiać z zagranicy.

>>3686249
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>>3686251
(You) too.

Could someone help me please? I don't know if it is me or the written part of Bridgmans book have things that doesn't make much sense, but I've been studying that and there are things that I honestly cannot comprehend, for example, he says that the masses of the torso area is divided by the chest, abdomen ''or'' pelvis. How that makes sense when the pelvis is a different mass than the abdomen?

There was already a fucking question thread, why are people so lazy and egotistical?
This is a waste of space, like those threads people make just for themselves

>>3686666
The wisdom of quads. Take heed, newfriends.

How do I develop a horror style without it becoming edgelord trash?

>>3687283
I don't know what you mean by "horror style" but you avoid edgelording by subtlety and being reserved. You show the werewolf about to strike, you don't show the werewolf ripping a women's face off with it's teeth.

>>3677581
I've helped a couple small artists who now have about ~30k followers and never got boosted in return

>>3686723 please and thank you

>>3688036
generally using something makes you better at using said thing

>>3687739
Do you interact with them past your initial helping phase? Twitter algorithm will not show you to their feed if you haven't interacted recently. That's why I always leave a comment when I like and retweet my mutuals. If they like my comment or reply back that helps my stuff shownup more often in their feed.

Also, is your art actually good? My art is a bit better than hers so it wouldn't look out of place if she retweeted me. Whereas if my art was way below what she normally retweets she probably wouldn't.

>>3688080
Mine is definitely better than theirs, but yeah, I guess I could up my interactions. I'm just kinda shy and I had no idea twitter's algorythm had that quirk, ty anon

>>3688086
It used to be time based but since they changed it to AI you basically have to do thr whole interaction thing to get noticed by ur mutuals

>>3688194
Time to become a social butterfly

>Wacoms Bamboo line are not recommended as they promote drawing from the wrist and carpal tunnel.
Y-You're not supposed to draw from the wrist? I use a super old "Wacom Connect" I don't really know the size, but it doesn't seem that big. Should I be worried?

>>3660577
that's the real quiz

>>3660577
any /ic/ discord server that I may join?

Has any experienced massive loss of motivation to draw after finishing a really fucking good piece?

It's honestly the best looking thing I've ever completed. It took me about a week to finish and I learned a lot of small stuff along the way.

That was two weeks ago and since then I've just had zero motivation to draw or practice. Not even feeling bad about it. Just a bit concerned, its like I think I reached my goal and dont want to draw anymore...but thats not where I want to be. I'm not sure I even understand myself.

also, how do these cucumber tiddies work?

>>3676710
I used to draw flat until I tried angled. God its so much better on my back.

If you draw on an iPad pro I recommend the Elevation Lab DraftTable. It's a little pricey but made of metal and has tons of adjustment.

Aside from using a computer mouse I don't use my hand that often. But when I'm trying to draw or even write my hand hurts like hell. Is it because my hand is weak from not doing those things since I finished school years ago?

>>3660601
It's really only the right two everything else seems to be an intentional choice in style.
They are facing left while the others are facing right or straight, my guess would be that that is the the issue many people have, where they can draw faces facing one direction but have difficulty with proportions when facing the opposite direction.
Since in the video he didn't seem to flip the image to check for such a problem, he might be unaware of the issue.
Given that there seems to be a lot envy in this thread, pretty pathetic stuff.
>>3665789
Don't be a fucking idiot with that overused defense mechanism.

>>3660675
Lol omg it’s an anime bro this is a first for me.

Watch your mouth op- people know what you look like now and it isn’t intimidating. High lighting casts larger shadows, did you forget that we all also draw or something?

>>3692201
She has very pendulous breast

>>3692201
I've experienced that several times myself after achieving a big milestone, but what kept me going was the slow realization that my "masterpiece" was actually quite lacking, especially in comparison to others people's art. It's important for your ego to run its course before you can continue, so just post your work and we'll sort that out for you!

>>3660577
league of legends looks like that?!?!

>>3675755
Forearm and shoulder for big, wrist and fingers for details. Grip Accordingly.

>>3692201
about halfway into Raita territory when the girls are naked, they look like skeletons with banana tits