/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3520511
>i can't even study or learn because i will get mad at how badly i've copied something.
There's a key word in there, and it's what hinders you from improving. You should be able to figure it out on your own.

>>3520511
You have to be over 18 to post

i have the same problem op

if it's not angry about mistakes in drawing, or slow progress, weirdly enough i even start getting angry about past things that happened to me. casual injustices done by people who i am way too good to. It's the darnedest thing.

I think drawings a good way of realizing whats on your mind, and it is like meditation in that sense.

I used to think you had to take the aggression out, from exercise or whatever, before you draw. but these days i am more in line with the way of thought that you can harness that aggression in your drawing.

Be aggressive about chasing your craft, it's ok. just don't get too fucking pissed. men are aggressive creatures by nature, a few holes in walls are nothing.

>>3520520
i don't "copy" other artists work i meant trying to draw poses from reference etc. either way my problem isnt how i learn it's that i'm unable to learn until i stop wanting to rip apart my sketchbook and qutting every time i draw anything.

>>3520524
xDDDDDDD u got me xdDD epic!

I'm the same but I have gotten better by stopping drawing when I get pissed and the next day I've calmed down and I'm eager to learn. And I never skip a day even if it's just one box but these days my worst days are a page or two of basic forms.

1- Just fucking give up drawing if you're not enjoying the process, no one forced you to do it.
2- Get some actual help, like, therapy or something. That kind of anger just isn't good, in general.
3- You won't get better if you don't practice, get that through your thick skull. There are no shortcuts, whining online will only make you waste time, and actually, getting mad will also be just a waste of time. Precious time that you need to use for studying.
4- Unless you do something about this, you're NGMI. I hate that meme acronym but I'm 100% serious right now. Get away from the fucking computer, get some help, change your ways, or just give up in drawing since you hate it so much.

Don't make these useless threads here whatever you do, this board is already insufferable enough with all the people complaining all the time.

>>3520511

There is no advice anyone here can give you other than... "Grow up."

If you came here looking for a magical combination of words that will free you from your impotent rage, you will not find it.

If you think I'm being harsh, I should tell you that my roommate who is now a professional artist and has worked at WB, Nickelodeon, and Dreamworks used to have rage issues like that too, throwing his sketchbooks around, and making a scene, and I was never very sympathetic to him either.

However, if he can succeed, so can you. Just don't expect people to have an inordinate amount of patience with you.

>>3520646
>>3520651

ok art isnt for me maybe ill try it again in a few years

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>>3520511
you're anger probably comes from other issues you're having.

>>3520511
I used to hate my drawings for ages, cause i always thought of it as having to draw good 'lines' but you learn. Only started practising 2 months ago and all negativity is alleviated once you start getting a hang of something. Ditch the black and white, fail or win mentality.

>>3520511
Dissonance.

Your brain is translating what you see into words and concepts. You aren't seeing what you're looking at, you're interpreting it. It takes a long time to fully realize that our brain is trained to cut things into pieces and turn things into rough concepts that can be categorized and stored. This is great! But not for art.

When you try to draw, if you aren't realizing that's happening, you're going to draw those symbols and concepts and not the shapes you're actually looking at. This can cause a very frustrating feeling that's difficult to describe. I'll call it dissonance.

Imagine thinking "Apple" and you instead say "Potato". Imagine every word in your vocabulary comes out like this, and you're trying to talk through this filter. Imagine trying to communicate like this, feeling trapped, not understanding why this is happening. This is that feeling.

Where does the nose end and the eye begin? Where does the eye stop being eye and start being cheek? Where is the divide between nose and cheek? There isn't one. "Nose", "Eye", and "Cheek" are concepts. Stop thinking those when drawing. Stop interpreting what you see. See shapes. See light and dark. Start from there. If you turn to your page and say "and here is the nose", stop. Back up and find the shapes.

There is no nose. That's the potato. You have to learn to see past that.

>>3521230
good post

>>3520511
>don't understand how you guys can actually fucking enjoy drawing
Most people don't at first. You have no idea what you're doing, everything looks shit, your ideas are shit and every drawing/painting is a war just to produce something vaguely readable. Art doesn't become regularly enjoyable until you acquire some level of technical proficiency and even then you're always going to be unsatisfied with something about your work despite learning to enjoy the struggle and process of making it.

>i've been drawing for a month but have not made any progress.
A month? Get real. It'll take years to see any significant progress. Learning to draw is a complex and slow skill to acquire. Forget all this meme bullshit about grinding to get good in a year. It'll probably take you at least 5 years of consistent studying and making paintings to get your skills to an industry beginner level. All the artists you look at and drool over online don't start hitting their strides until 10+ into working consistently. There are plenty of artists out there working decades who never acquire the technical skills of a Mullins, Jean or any other upper tier artists so years put in isn't even a given for skill level.

People who get good are driven to make art despite not being good at it. The goal for them isn't to "get good" they want to make art and get the ideas they have down on paper and they enjoy doing it. Getting better is a byproduct of addressing technical deficiencies that hinder their goal. They don't start off from a position of wanting to make art to be "good" or impress people.

You just have to keep going, or don't, someone else that wants it will take your place.

>>3520511
i started learning japanese expecting nothing. iam keeping at it for years now putting daily hours in it and have tons of fun and see progress.

i started learning to draw and expected to make some day a living. this created a huge expectation and pressure that makes me angry and sad and anxious whenever things dont work out. it made me feel unconfortable whenever i pick up the penicl or start photoshop.

also >>3521230 cannot be highly rated enough. rare top notch content.

>>3521256
how would you recommend learning nip fast and effectively?

>>3521230
i think this is too specific but a good post.

OP, i dealt with the same shit. just get up and walk away. i would immediately drop my stylus or pencil and play vidya for 15 minutes, something simple like opening my Switch and playing whatever is on it at the time. i found that, eventually, it only takes a few breaths and rewiring my thinking to stop being angry

other solutions i use
flip the drawing (if digital)
go pet my dog
work on another piece
take a walk, even around the house (similar to playing some vidya)
and sometimes, you just have to call it a day. this still happens occasionally, and thats okay. better a break than burnout.

your anger is just another form of passion. you want your drawing to be good. so dont become a failure. use your anger to understand that you want to be able to draw, and you need to take the measures necessary to do it comfortably.

>>3520511
go get your anger checked. Might be tism

>>3521387
ahahahahha

the tism. bahahahahaha thats excellent

>>3521391
you'll never know if you get it checked :^)

>>3520646
>1- Just fucking give up drawing if you're not enjoying the process, no one forced you to do it.
no one enjoy being shit at something, learning is not enjoyable. When you don't know what you're doing, when your drawing looks like the one of 6 yo or when you're not making progress it's very frustrating

>>3520536
Holy shit, weirdly inspirational, and I never thought anyone could so perfectly encapsulate my experience with drawing. Normally, I’m very happy-go-lucky and fun, but drawing turns me into a genuinely suicidal monster. It rips out all the pain I’ve ever experienced and forces it in my face. I’ve actually fucking stabbed myself in the gut and gone to the emergency room from the pure, vile fury and suffering this god forsaken craft fills me with. It makes me feel like I’m a talentless hack, that I MUST be fucking learning disabled or SOMETHING because everyone else I’ve ever talked to has said it was easy. All this, despite having other talents and being fairly smart in every other subject. The fact that this one, single, supposedly simple “hobby” for most so utterly baffles me at even the most basic entry point fills me with this pure fury at everyone and everything that is entirely unmitigatable. I just don’t get it, every place I’m told to start is “wrong” because it always turns out you ACTUALLY have to start HERE, only to find out that starting there requires you to start somewhere else, down and down a seemingly infinite series of out of sequence steps contradictorily spewed by thousands of different artists wanting to “help”. I fucking hate this.

That being said, I will try to remove some of the suffering in my life and see if that helps. I just want to be good at this. It’s so goddamn simple, I feel like a fucking buffoon being so truly unable to even begin any of it.

>>3521315
follow the /jp/ djt thread and do exactly what the sticky says.
its the distilled wisdom of self learners i wish i had years ago.

http://djtguide.neocities.org/
>>>>>>/jp/19436007

Actually! What about drugs? I feel like opiates would be a good thing to quell the pure anguish this horrible, horrible craft brings. Anyone have any experience? I feel like if the agony can be stopped then getting good shouldn’t be an issue at all, like it seems not to be for literally everyone else.

>>3521424
Not that annon but I think (or hope) it's more common than people let on. I've actually become kind of decent at drawing over the years, but it only started getting "fun" when I was happy with my results. Maybe I'm just a poor sport. I can definetely relate to the self harm and thinking your crazy, although I kept it down to using a soldering iron because I didn't want to accidentally send myself to a hospital like you managed to.

>>3521456
Nice! Really good to hear someone like me has made it, what was your secret to stopping the pain that drawing incurs? I’d love to know.

>>3520511
In psych learned that anger always stems from fear or pain. What are you afraid of OP?

>>3521503
is frustration in this case. the fact that op refers to it as anger shows he probably has very undeveloped emotional framework and that he probably needs counselling, especially if he is actually autistic, which is possible, he's definitely in manbaby territory (unless he's a teenager i guess)

>>3521049
dont fucking give up
the learning process is some of the most annoying and depressing shit, youve gotta work through it to attain the skills you so desire
doesnt matter if that takes a week a month or a year

>>3521503
Cute, don't listen to pyschology they'll braindrain you

>>3521513
Unsoothed frustration almost always leads to anger, it's just a shade darker. Don't conflate your dull flatline emotions with adulthood, that's just childish

op here, thanks for all the replies

>>3521230
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>>3521519

good advice thank u

>>3521513
i've been told before that i'm emotionally underdeveloped i think u may be onto something

>>3521049

I'm not trying to discourage you. Just letting you know the facts of the case. Like I said, in spite of everything he's a very successful professional artist.

He's doing better than me, and I never had the same emotional issues that he does.

Self-Control, like all skills, must be practiced to master.

>>3521230
instead of doing this develop your internal construct of a nose into a structured 3d object

Maybe being artist isn't for you?

>>3522191
I find it's useful to defeat the illusion first. Construction is a later step. If you start with construction, you run the risk of just increasing your symbol vocabulary. That's not a 'bad' thing? But you're still constrained to that vocabulary.

Words are limitations. Useful limitations, but limitations.

Think of it as learning a language. You can repeat the phrase that gets you directions to the bathroom, without really understanding why those words work. Construction might allow you to ask where the bus stop is, to re-construct it for a new purpose. Your vocabulary increases, but you're still constrained to the same basic pathways. You can get really far this way.

Break the illusion, and you can demand directions to the bus stop. You can ask directions politely. You know how emphasis and context works. You can use entirely incorrect words, and still convey a meaning. Exaggerate, make the nose enormous, and still have a face that reads well.

Children know a tenth of the words you do. They can still ask for things they've never heard of before by combining words. They can demand the bathroom, ask politely, or convey they need to use it without using any words that actually mean 'bathroom'.

Vocabulary comes later.

>>3521256
Ugh the mouth looks gross

>>3523288
Your mum looks gross.

>>3521395
I'm not saying it's not, but if you're passionate about the craft you'll take a break to calm down and then the will to try again will hit you like a train.
If you're constantly getting angry and frustrated and you keep whining to yourself and to others about how drawing is soooo hard and soooo frustrating maybe it's not the right thing for you.
When it gets tough, try to remember why you chose drawing in the first place.
Why do you like it? What do you like about it?
Less whining, more working.