/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stanislav Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

>tfw back aches from hunching over drawing
How do you guys deal with this?

I posted at a really unfortunate time it seems, doesn't matter I'll just leave a link to my post
>>3497293

>>3497313
could you really not remedy this on your own or did you just want to post in the thread

>>3497315
Wow rude I was just making conversation.

So, I'm trying to get an older individual into digital art. They're not as tech-savvy as I'd like, but they can manage email and web browsing for the most part, know what a "tab" or "drop down" is etc etc. I thought a tablet was a decent gift, since they were a talented artist wayyy back when and constantly lament not having the room for traditional art, but have a television they can hook their laptop up to.

Any particular youtube series you guys would recommend for Krita, for someone who isn't that great with computers?

>>3497313
draw bigger so you dont have to hunch over to see what you're doing

or you could get a drafting table so you could tilt your workspace up towards you, or 90 degrees straight up

>>3497313
get smaller chair or tilt your paper at and angle

if i want to do watercolor or painting, should i start with pencil/ pen first or that would be wasting of time?

Anyone here using Skyrim for their 3d modeling when they draw? It has a nice mix of races that allows a challenge but also a familiarity when fleshing out models. The fact that it is on multiple platforms makes it accessible to as much people as possible. I highly recommend anyone to pick up a copy themselves.

>>3497376
I know a GREAT painter, who only paints now, but she began as most. Doing still life diligently first and some model work.

I drew this like a week ago. I'm learning how to use a pentablet correctly and so far I think I've been doing ok. What do you guys think?
Also, am I doing the 1000 pixels rule correctly?

>>3497313
I use a telescoping easel that I set on my desk, so as long as I have good posture it's just like doing anything at my desk.

Help, I don't seem to be improving. I have studied all of the senpais masters (H.C. Brown, Proko, and Draw With JAzza, Baylee Jae) but I never improve. I have bought every copic marker available, but nothing. No improvement.

>>3497421
low quality bait, (you) for effort

>>3497432
Better than before, time to try again. By the time you're done you'll never forget that face lol

Does anyone else use drawbox?
Is it worth keeping with? I've been thinking about ditching it for now trying to just get an overall hang of drawing at all then coming back when I felt a little more comfortable with a pen/pencil

Welp. Likeness is rip, probably because of the inaccurate shapes of the eye and lips. Ugh.

I'll try to fix all of this tomorrow.

>>3497456
Don't just do drawabox, try to also do other fundies at the same time, like gesture, figure or anatomy.
What drawabox teaches you is better discipline for your lines, and seeing what you're gonna draw as three-dimensional, if drawabox's approach isn't really suiting you, you can get similar results by copying irl objects with a pen.
You need to do other fundies at the same time because just perfecting your line an perception isn't much if you aren't also learning how things look and move.
My personal opinion: don't start with circles, they're absolutely useless, you can get the same kind of practice by just doing your regular studies with a pen and forcing yourself to make confident strokes. Even if it doesn't work at first, it will with time.

>>3497466
There's so much to look at, I'm really not *getting* it, I'll give visual study a go though and go through a few other books.
I really appreciate the it anon

>>3497469
I was thinking you could start with ctrlpaint, because I think a lot of beginners struggle with seeing what's in front of them (they do symbol drawing, their proportions are off) and that website has some neat lessons on negative space and ways to measure your stuff without being all precise about it, you should probably do that before launching yourself in copies of photos and life studies. If you can actually perceive angles and shapes correctly you'll improve way faster, in my opinion.
So to recap: all in pen, first exercises on ctrlpaint (the traditional drawing section), with some studies of what you want on the side, applying what you learn from that website.
It sounds like a lot but you can probably get away with doing this like 2 hours a day, and I've done those lessons, they're actually not that daunting once you start.
Obviously don't overwork yourself, if you're focused on what you're learning you don't have to strain yourself to death.

>>3497480
I actually never payed that site attention since i thought it was some pay shit actually, 2 hours isnt bad at all, but I don't wanna push my luck if you guys recommend against pushing past that
again thanks anon.

>>3497319
I don't have a series to recommend, but there's a video from sara tepes titled "introduction to krita" that seems helpful. I would also make a new brush folder for them, with just a small hard round brush, a large hard round brush, a large airbrush, smudging brush, and a soft/hard eraser brush (and whatever else you think he would need). I am aware you can change the brush size, but it would be easier for a beginner to be able to just switch between tools in the brush menu on the fly instead of looking for hotkeys. Eventually, when they get more accustomed to digital art, they'll leaen about brush resizing. Also teach them about the pan and zooming hotkeys (which i believe are space and control+space) and other basic hotkeys like saving and flipping the canvas (m).

>>3497313
exercise and stretch yourself

>>3497511
What I recommend beginners is to start small and work your way up from there.
I see people who just barely started say they'll do like 8 hours a day, they get burned out in not even a week, because they're not used to it. You need to build your resistance, 8h a day isn't easy even for more advanced artists, I mean, you're supposed to put your full focus and mind on this task for what seems like an endless amount of hours, and if before this you never did anything this taxing, have no discipline, and you just barely started? You won't wanna continue. This is how people stop for months, and isn't useful.
It's better if you start with reasonable and more reachable goals, this way you can also feel the satisfaction when you're able to do them.
Good luck anon!

Please help, why does this look so shitty (besides the bg im still working on it)
is it just my style thats shitty

>>3497533
He looks like a rando youtube "skeptic" atheist

>>3497533
Anatomy/stacking/perspective is off. Colors in the skin are muddy. I suggest starting in grayscale and colorizing it. Or reading waaaaaay more stuff (and doing studies) about color.

Help

>>3497645
I posted on the wrong thread
Does this look furry enough

>>3497646
before the mods get me

>>3497645
>>3497646
>>3497647
doodle

>>3497456
Draw these with your shoulder, this is the simplest exercise, I mean it's not even a full page man come on apply yourself

Decided to throw my hat into the ring to attempt to slay the /b e g b r e a k e r/

Doesn't really look like that much like her but I'm glad I tried

>>3497647
when youre asking for critique on your faggotry then use a different word than furry idiot
also you it looks like you can only draw one animal from the 3/4 view every other view looks extremely flat

>>3497727
>when youre asking for critique on your faggotry then use a different word than furry idiot
??? I don't get what you're trying to pull here
>also you it looks like you can only draw one animal from the 3/4 view every other view looks extremely flat
So far I'm lazy so I'm stuck with it. What else can you suggest? Does it look too amateurish?

Using the lasso tool has improved my accuracy and ellipse drawing. Just making a note.

>>3497756
*Using a computer has improved my accuracy and ellipse drawing
FTFY

>>3497758
what did he mean by this

Sumocat says friends don't let friends drive drunk, enjoy your Canda Day.

Tried this too, think at this point the most glaring problem is that i have no idea how to do value.
Think my time is best spent practicing that.
Anyone got any resources? adivce? tips?

>>3497791
For starters don't neglect the value of the background.

>>3497791
cmon man the best part about the photo is the way her eyelid tuches the top of the pupil and gives her this tired look, dont just scrap that

>>3497792
>>3497816
there you go, you happy? need anything else?
... that sounds like I'm practicing for when I inevitably start working in the fast food industry :T

>>3497853
Well you got the attitude, that's for sure. Just don't spit in the paintings

>>3497853
yes
bring down that eyelid wrinkle and smooth out that corner youve got there

>go to /beg/ thread
>"HAHA GUYS CAN I GET A CRITIQUE ON THIS SUPER SHITTY SKETCH ITS REALLY BAD"
>*is actually extremely practiced and talented*
Epic meme

Made a couple of changes to try to adjust the values, also added the pic on the left for posterity

>>3497926

>>3497403
The size is perfect. What program are you using? Your lines look very clean, just keep drawing!

>>3497766
very qt

>>3497936
thanks friendo, I might sleep on it and try again later

>>3497922
Just because someone is practiced in some areas does not mean they're not beginners in others.
If you think someone is "extremely practiced and talented" ask them for advice.
Instead of opening a Saltmine and shitposting.

for some reason i really feel like playing skyrim right now

am i getting the point of this practice?
set to 5 minutes on https://line-of-action.com/

just wanna know if i'm wasting my time doing these drawings or if this is good practice

>>3498011
Not bad, but you need to do way more of these. Like, do twenty just to start. You might also wanna practice some head structure and the singular features of a head. But keep this up.

>>3498011
Looks like your method is really short hatch lines to create the outer contour you should really try to use longer strokes, the form is suffering in part cus of the short strokes

>>3497306
NEED HELP WHY IS THIS HAPPENING?

I'm getting this annoying jagged lines in photoshop. It didn't happen before at all... I don't remember changing any setting. I exclusively use the 1px pencil and this is making go crazy.

>>3498048
You've probably turned on anti aliasing or opacity.

>>3497306
based tod drawer

I want to learn to ink and draw with technical pens, dip pens and brush. Any of them I should start learning with first?

Newest

>>3498052
Thanks for help, but just re-installing solved the issue, my autism was getting very triggered

>>3497456
Having trouble drawing with your shoulder? Hunch your back over your desk, keep your hand close to your shoulder, and make sure the tip of your elbow is moving when you draw. When you're comfortable and your shoulder is stronger, you can always unhunch your back and draw with your forearm at a ninety degree angle with your upper arm.
Use the submissions on /r/ArtFundamentals as a gauge of how well you're doing. If a submission got passed by the drawabox guy, it's "good enough". Don't do other stuff for now, your accuracy is bad enough that you need to practice just this.

Hair is so hard I don't know how to do it when you just have black and have to make space for the light parts and it is so thin and hard to make work.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/b2/66/35/b26635fed6685726cb129e77aeb3b2bb--bearded-guys-man-beard.jpg

Do I still suffer from symbol drawing? I can't tell.

>>3498143
Okay I fucked up the picture and tilted it sorry. On paper it is in line with the bottom part.

>>3497926
Just trace the photo and practice copying the tracing. If you don't like measuring with string or thumbs on pencil or even a ruler, try marking the edge of a folded piece of paper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OiYk58W--w

Spent about 20 minutes on this. I've always liked to use memes as study reference

Did I failed the exercise?

>>3498199
exercse

>>3498199
You skipped the first 2 steps and went ahead to just 'copy' the photo

>>3498163
Can I ask where you learned to practice drawing anime heads in this fashion

>>3498215
how did you came to this conclusion? I made bottom, top and center markings, just erased them after drawing a full figure

>>3498153
other mem

>>3498228
loomis + tracing (for learning purposes)
though I haven't mastered it, drawing from life helps too

>>3498242
>loomis
i thought he was a meme

How can I utilize measuring when I'm using a tiny screen tablet that I have to keep close to me due to my bad eyesight?

I can't lock my elbow.

>>3498246
Different strokes for different folks.

>>3498199
>>3498230
Look at Page 101 of Keys, the self-critique page. It's very simple, just asks you to look at what you're drawing every once in a while and make sure the drawing fits in the page using his method.
Overall, you should be thinking in terms of "what did I learn from this" instead of "did I do it right".

>>3498257
use a ruler
if you can't even figure that out, go back to pencil and paper

I'm using (pirated) SAI and the stabilizer stopped working, I tried changing the brush stabilizer values manually and reinstalling but that didn't fix anything, anyone have experience with this or knows how to fix it?
polite sage in case this is off topic.

what's with /beg/gars and using that half assed crosshatching to represent shadow like in >>3498241 and >>3498143

just use actual solid values

>>3498295
just lazyness desu

Tried doing some frames from a video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcevDB2bjs8

>>3498295
>just use actual solid values
But I only have one solid value

>>3498306
yeah don't listen to that faggot he has no clue what hes talking about

Is drawabox.com a good resource for /beg/s?

>>3497766
MY FELLOW LEAF

how to get better at drawing from imagination?

>>3498318
draw from imagination more.

>13/06/2018 - 15/06/2018
https://imgur.com/a/82oq1OB
>18/06/2018 - 24/06/2018
https://imgur.com/a/U5SeXu5

>25/06/2018 - 01/07/2018
https://imgur.com/a/jLeir8T

I decide to start using lines to help me focus on the perspective of the photo, and started to use some parts of the body as reference for size so the proportion can stay the same Still need to find a measurement for my bodies. I also notice that I normally focus on small parts rather than the whole body, and at the beginning of the drawing I feel anxious and my lines begin to look like scratches.

>>3498242
Thank you

Complete /beg/ here. First time drawing a face/head. Any feedback welcome.

How bad is the lineart and image quality of this?

30 second gestures. Feeling more confident with the time limit, though I don't feel like they show enough movement. Should I be trying to exaggerate 30 sec poses?

>>3498426
not gestures

Could use some featback if this is any good?

>>3498430
Why not?

>>3498447 A gesture is a form of non-verbal communication or non-vocal communication in which visible bodily actions communicate particular messages, either in place of, or in conjunction with, speech.

>>3498447
Think you're supposed to only use I S C shapes to capture the movement, you've kinda just drawn the form.

>>3498426
You should create gesture with rythm lines, not contour lines. Look for Proko and Velppu's gesture sessions and try to emulate their technique.

Did this in figure drawing class last night

>>3498447
here is an example of a gesture I failed at and an anon showed me what it actually is. far right is the gesture

>>3498457
>>3498456
So more like this, perhaps?

>>3498490
contoured as fuck

>>3498490
I'll give you the same advice I got. Read chapter 1 of michael hampton - figure drawing design and invention

My right shoulder feels strained when from the few gesture drawings I did. Is this normal?

>>3498508
Alright thanks.

>>3498513
it'll get better with time, as your shoulder gets accustomed to it

>>3498434
Any Featback on this?

I'm just gonna be starting out, should I start on pencil + paper or go straight to a tablet (which i want to eventually)

>>3498543
just start with the tablet
if you want to use it excursively

>>3498547
thanks my man

>>3498551
I would also keep a sketchbook and take it you go somewhere, if you have some time, draw what you see
helps with observation drawing

I recently got extra cash and was thinking of getting a display tablet
I've got a budget of ~$500. was thinking of getting the GAOMON PD-1560.
recommendations and advice please?

the only tablet I've used was $40 huoin knock off, it had trouble being compatible with art programs like losing pen pressure in adobe programs and refusing to even work in krita.

>>3498555
just get a small wacom tablet for 500 bucks bro

>>3498153
Remove the Small lines they confuse you i did some edits and then i just keep on going so it turned out like so but so.. ..........

>>3498426
not sure why no one told you this
give yourself more time than 30 seconds

>>3498383
guess my imagination work isn't worth commenting
studies would probably be more appropriate

>>3498557
but thats just a pen tablet for the same price as non-wacom screen tablets?
whats the deal with wacom? from the sticky it says wacom is just the apple of the tablet world, where brand is half the price tag. but from art sites they say wacom is the only quality tablets and the rest are shitty chinese knockoffs that aren't worth their price.

Is it ok to pick a day of the week to not study or draw?

I've heard taking a break once a week helps.

>>3498310
>What does a beginner like you know about drawing boxes? It's this kind of attitude that will set you back, because if you're not willing to BUCKLE DOWN and DO THE WORK then you will NEVER make it as a professional. It is HARD WORK that you cannot even begin to fathom and you need to make sure you understand EVERYTHING I say. You have to be comfortable with MAKING MISTAKES and get acquainted with my old friend FAILURE
The drawabox guy is such a faggot. Do the first two lessons, compare your work with his past critiques, don't treat it as anything more than a bunch of warmup exercises to help you with line quality/freehanding perspective.

>>3498607
AYY, thank you based anon

>>3498718
thats sort of something you should be asking yourself. It's up to you anon. Don't pretend you have senseis on /ic/.

>>3498461
Hands could afford to look more angular and less curved, the tip of each finger should be wider, the wrist bones more apparent

Is there a chair that you didn't draw in?

>>3498147
Yes, you do.Misplaced features aside, your eyes feel pasted onto the face. Also, your rendering is shit, because the photos you use aren't beginner friendly enough to teach you form and volume.
See here:http://freshdesigner.com/good-figure-drawing-reference-guide/
>>3498382
Read the sticky, you're symbol drawing and tracing without trying to understand form. The girl's head looks shrunken as fuck and the eyes are flat and level when they're supposed to curve downwards.

how can i improve?

>>3498783
Is this /beg/?

>>3498783
stop symbol drawing the same face and study realism so you can understand how the face isn't just stuck on like a sticker

>>3498783
I can't notice anything that is too outstandingly wrong except tuat I'm not a fan of certain color choices of yours and I think you should pay attention to tangents, but other than that it's alright.
Post more of your work so we can get a better idea of the fields you need to improve in.

>>3498790
do you just parrot shit people say to each other here? there isn't very strong evidence of symbol drawing in that picture

>>3498796
the left eye is pasted on it is not locked into the skull, likewise the lips and teeth look like a sticker

im not parroting shit I just have eyes

Hello,

I got my first ever sketchbook and drew something bigger than a stick figure. I'm about halfway through drawabox lesson 1 and wanted to do something. I copied the dragon from here (https://celestialvale.wikia.com/wiki/File:Gold_Dragon.png)), my main goal was being able to recreate the shapes (I added the background out of boredom but didn't copy it from anything).

Thoughts? How can I learn to shade/do shadows/lighting?

>>3498692
>I warned you about china bro

>>3498383
The guys legs look like they have uneven lengths, are placed awkwardly, and don't look as if they're connecting to his hips. Because of this the way he's sitting is unclear

>>3498690
Even if you're going from imagination be sure to keep anatomy and proportions in mind

>>3498833
>Thoughts
that dragon is going to rape someone
>How can I learn to shade/do shadows/lighting?
study how light acts on simple things like a cube or an apple, and try to draw that with shading in mind

>>3498833
(Ain’t a sketchbook if it has lined paper but whatever, you do you.)

It looks decent, I think the two most important things to do is distinguish the subject from the background and have a more defined light source.

As for the background and the subject, the two kind of meld together and makes the composition hard to read. I’d suggest making the subject lighter than the background, as your subject is the focus. A good rule is to squint so you blur your eyes, you should be able to tell what’s going on even when your eyes are unfocused.

As for the light source, that can be achieved with shading of course as well as higher contrast. Based on the picture, I’d probably place the light coming in from the right. Be sure to shade things that the light wouldn’t reach, do some practice with making light to dark gradients with a pencil. That always helps me. As for contrast, that mostly pertains to making the dark spots darker. If you have a good balance of light and dark, it should come out to look more interesting.

Hope that helps! I’m a bit new to participating in /beg/ and helping folks out, I hope that wasn’t too muddled and confusing lol

>>3498833
I'm not sure if it's my lack of perspective knowledge but for some reason I feel like that dragon is kinda small considering he's so close compared to those trees in the background.

>>3498783
>>3498792
On second thought a lot of small things bothered me so I tried to paint over it to see if I could fix it and also to practice coloring.
I'm a beg myself and I used a phone (sorry) so don't take this as a perfectly reliable critique of course, I'm looking for advice myself.
I wasn't sure of your lightsource so I put it on my right.

>>3498840
yeah, those are problems
are my lines at least okay?

>>3498841
>>3498842
>>3498844

Thanks for the advice!! I agree background is pretty wonky, needs shading and trees aren't sized well. I'm gonna practice lighting for sure

Day 2
35 minutes

>>3498846
What are you drawing with?

>>3498853
HUION WH1409 (2048)

>>3498852
What I used.

>>3498383
>>3498690
You seriously need to do more gesture drawing.

>>3498856
It might be helpful to sketch in a layer, and then once your happy with the layout to lower the opacity, and then 'ink' it in a new layer on top of the old one. Try to keep your strokes long and fluid, and that should help clean up your linework. Most importantly though, just keep drawing :)

>>3498860
okay
anatomy and gesture
>>3498862
just started drawing in layers
all we can do
thanks for the critique

is this tree line working right? like where the foliage starts or whatever? also, how to foliage

>>3498867
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74HR59yFZ7Y
The reason I mentioned gesture is because your poses are very stiff, giving the awkward feeling. Don't worry about anatomy until you're decent at the bean and robo-bean.

>>3498875
I can get gesture down when I am drawing from reference. Are you saying to not worry about anatomy until I can do gesture from imagination?

Always drew as a side thing, for fun. Didn't rly bothered to learn anatomy/perspective and stuff, but last few week decided to get a bit more serious about it. Applying stuff that i learn as I go, so here a piece that I would like to get a critique on, to see what should I work on, am I going in right directions etc: Ty

>>3498880
Yeah. It shouldn't take you too long, but I'm telling you, you have to exaggerate your poses and then decide if you want to reel them back in (usually it looks better exaggerated). Stiffness like that looks really bad, worse than proportion mistakes.

>>3498928
>It shouldn't take you too long
think I have been doing it wrong

>>3498931
try not contouring at all

>>3498760
Yea. I didnt bother with the chair ..didnt have a ton of time

I drew some guys sitting together but then I stopped because I realized I drew them too closely
Anyway anything else I can fix about this?

>>3498931
try actually taking my advice on the proko bean/robo-bean or at least searching through this thread for similar advice on gesture
pic related, gesture is more important than even the number of fingers in making a hand look good

>>3498775
I didn't trace though. I overlayed the head once to try and figure out why it looked so awful.

>>3498833
>Thoughts?
Straight out of some autistic kids deviant art page.
>How can I learn to shade/do shadows/lighting
Try it. But it wont be effective until you understand form.

How come I read a lot about construction but whenever I try I'm obviously not getting it? Am I too stupid to learn how to draw? This is very distressing because after months of practice I'm still trash and can't get any likeness

I finally made some progress after not touching this for a week.

>>3499004
Post construction.

>>3498958
It looks traced because the body looks like 20 levels above the heads and in general everything outside of the forms themselves looks lazy af like the crease in her neck and general details about the contour of the body. If you didn't trace wtf did you do?

>>3499015
I know I need to stop chicken scratching but it's either that or draw and erase that first fucking circle a hundred times and ruin the paper in the process.

Can you guys offer some critique on my Bob Ross Drawing?

I tried to do some shadows
I used overlay and multiply in photoshop I saw it in a video about shadows I don't know how effective it is, or if I executed it correctly but I would enjoy some critique on the shadows especially

so overall I would like critique on anatomy,hands and shadows

>>3499012
QTP2T

>>3499058
where are the happy trees anonkun

>>3499091
Here they are

galaxy book or else an ipad for learning digital?
Galaxy book is 10.6 and runs windows but ipad is 12.5
Both have great displays and great stylus.

Does somebody have the link to a website that lets you find the meeting point between two lines and or shapes, so that one practices their feeling for perspective?
I can't find it sadly enough.

>>3498941
Learn perspective :^)

>>3499042
>I know I need to stop chicken scratching
who told you that?

>>3499042
Draw lightly and use a kneaded eraser to erase, which will lift off some of the graphite and not ruin the paper no matter how many times you use it.
Anyway, practice tracing deconstructions onto existing photos.

I spent about 2 hours on this. I know my rendering is shit but what else can I improve on.

>>3499301
Is it one of these?
https://woodgears.ca/eyeball/
https://drawabox.com/

>>3498941
lasso the ponytail person, table, and chairs, and move them down and right
also you need to draw ponytail's right leg
if you were wanting them to rub each other's crotches with their knees, you would have to make ponytail recline more or accept your table is going to feel unusually thin

>>3498943
that one was old, I am taking your advice

>>3498783
>>3498884
Really cool, but it doesn't belong to /beg/ imo.
Here's mine, what should I work on to get better ?

>>3499370
Make the pose less stiff.

Hi /ic/, I tried making this piece of jonblissart in my style. How's the anatomy? I had some trouble because I don't usually draw chubby women.

>>3499374
Is she an amputee?

>>3499374
>How's the anatomy?
What anatomy.

>>3499375
I hid her right arm because he did too, I wanted some similarities in the pose.

>>3499377
welp, it seems that I need to get back to grind more fundies. ty. what do you think I did wrong?

>>3499381
I was talking about her leg lel

>>3499357
Hey man that's not a bad attempt.
Before you go into value though, you want to make sure that your measurements and angles are correct.
Some of yours are pretty good for example as far as the hair is concerned.
But other parts throw of your entire facial structure for example the size and shape of the jaw, the size of the ear, eye sliding of to the side of the face, nose being to far in the center and too far up.
-check what you're working on by comparing it to already correctly established landmarks with horizontal and vertical measurements.
-While you're drawing at times shift your perception from the actual space to the negative space.
For example, instead of focusing on the ear, focus on the space surrounding it, sometimes that makes it easier to see what is wrong.

>>3499382
damn. well, I tried using a 3d model to help me, here's the ref.

>>3499387
stiff af ref produces stiff af art

>>3499389
sigh, you're right. thanks anon, i'll choose refs more carefully.

>>3499383
Thanks, I'll be sure to keep observing my references and kill my symbol drawing. I'll be sure to do everything you said.

>>3499358
>The eyeballing game.
Yes this is it, thank you so much anon!
It really works well for me as I have noticed improvement almost immediately after playing it.

more heads

>>3499066
literally what?

>>3499374
Not claiming I'm a master but here you go.

>>3499421
thanks a lot, I appreciate it. You're right!

2 years old but wanting to go back to that style of art

how can i improve it?

I tried to analyze a skeleton

As usual when I post here, this is made entirelly by immagination. I tried my luck with foreshortening, admitelly a stupid move as I've barelly ever studied prespective yet. Still, I'd love some critic to understand how to do it better

>>3499461
the eyes are too close together they should be at least 1 eye width apart or you go into uncanny valley territory

>>3499476
Learn perspective.

>>3499475
What did you learn?

>>3499461
move her right breast inwards a bit, it looks to be way too far off to the side.

>>3499484
That's what I'm trying to do. By understanding the mistakes in my own work and fixing them I'll have learned a lot, so please elaborate on how you'd do it

>>3499476
it probably isn't your primary concern but the pose could be a bit more dynamic

>>3499476
what did you foreshortened?

>>3499497
Perhaps it's not the right word then? Basically I used a point of view that's pretty far below
>>3499496
It is a bit stiff, you are right

>>3499495
Read perspective made easy.

>>3499485
I learned that hamptons sketches of how the spine connects to the pelvis are accurate. Also I understood how the pelvis connects to the thighs. Mostly just verified hampton about the rough shape of the pelvis.

posting a gesture session I did today. 1min each

practicing perspective more.
am I doing this right or is there something off?
I feel like something's wrong but I can't see it due to inexperience.

>>3499535
also ignore the crap proportions
I just want to have my boxes right for now.

I need to do more anatomy studies...

>>3499476
Also if you do foreshortening don't do it like me, I still suck at it T^T

>>3499400
The skill is used for drawing through boxes, enveloping bargue plates, checking accuracy of geometric constructions with compass and straightedge, origami, etc. So it's a good warmup (use both hands if using a mouse to avoid injury), but you can practice this skill doing other activities and train other skills at the same time.

>>3499562
Thank you. What do you mean with "too much contour, not enough substance" tho?

>>3499555
very nice start though. also nice digits

>>3499535
Spacious.

>>3499476
you'll see immediate improvement if you keep her lower to the ground
pretend she's skateboarding

>>3499041
So far I've only practised mannequins and sketch laters, so I've never really done details to my drawings.

This is how I was referencing it. Maybe it's a bit close to the drawing? If I overlay it I can see that the left leg is a bit chubby which threw off the overall figure.

>>3499568
With the contour you're edging along the outline of what you're trying to draw.
With substance I mean the foundation of consturcting a figure, building the figure up with simple forms ontop of a well reading gesture.
Trying to do the same with the outline is like trying to find your way blindfolded through a maze.

>>3499573
You mean that I should start the drawing having in mind to make her as in pic related?
>>3499584
So you mean to do construction? I did it, I just didn't show it. I'll admit I didn't do gesture before structure tho, I seriously cannot understand how to apply a realistic structure to curvy lines. Also, could you please clarify what you mean with "really think about what you want it to say"? It's about gesture right?

>>3499580
http://www.proko.com/the-bean/
you can also apply this technique to the leg connecting to the pelvis, the forearm connecting to the upper arm, whatever, no shading necessary

>>3499597
you need to redo everything but the head and arms
this is what I mean by low, your girl can get knocked down if I pushed her, guy in pic would stay steady

my figure lost the underlying energy of the gesture. how do I prevent this?

>>3499635
don't contour your gesture

>>3499635
I think the figure looks like your initial sketch it just wasn't a terribly interesting gesture to begin with. your brain is just filling in the blanks making you think its more interesting than it is

>>3499597
>I seriously cannot understand how to apply a realistic structure to curvy lines.
The line part in gestures is a trap^^ the line is just a tool through which you describe the action, and the action is just a fancy term for the relationship of forms.
watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74HR59yFZ7Y
proko visualizes it well.

>please clarify what you mean with "really think about what you want it to say"?
Correct it is about gesture, from the clenched fist and spread legs I could tell it was supposed to be a fighting pose, however apart from that nothing else really expresses that.
"Really think about what you want it to say" is a way to not get bogged down in meaningless and random gestures

>>3499597
to be more specific, you keep the hands, feet, arms, head, face, and hair
in the future, it's nice to sketch out a mannequin before detailing in

>>3499635
stick out his pelvis more so it's like he's waving his dick in your face, push the shoulders back, tilt his head down

>>3499653
My brain wants to stylize it away like so

>>3499670
Doing that might solve it, I might do it but I'd have to redo the gesture

>>3499682
his hips are fucked now lmao

/beg/ how do you keep practicing art when you have no motivation to even get out of bed

>>3499701
just DO IT

>>3499701

bakuman fan art. This is the manga-in-manga, "Perfect Crime Club". It may sound overstated but the premise makes no sense until you see it a brilliant meta-commentary on art creation and general practice.

This is the manga-in-manga, "Perfect Crime Club". It may sound overstated but the premise makes no sense until you see it a brilliant meta-commentary on art creation and general practice.

>>3499684
does it look less fucked?

>>3499659
>>3499660
Thank you both for the advices
I'll definetelly try to work a bit more with gesture and see where that brings me

>>3499757
Not really, no. It looks like you're trying to save space but that doesn't make much sense with digital work.

>>3499766
I'm probably going to have to study how the pelvis connects to the torso more. I just can't see the error you are seeing.

>>3499682
Your figure will always lose some of that energy when you move on from the gesture, to counter this you can Exaggerate the gesture more.

Also pay attention to the center of balance, he looks like a brisk wind will push him over, the way he is leaning back.
exaggerate the curvature of the torso more but don't make his entire upper body tilt back that far.

>>3499783
thanks a lot for the feedback. Exaggerating the gesture seems to be the way to go. I think I see the issue now.

>>3499799
Another one. This was a photo study.

>>3499799
>>3499825
Not /beg/ reee

>>3499563
Good to know thanks, I also practice quality (repeating shapes), anatomy, and perspective too, I'm a bit slackish though(bad trait I know) but I'm working on a project for a client, then I want to finish of my first digital fan-art and then continue prectice.
Pic related it's anon's guide for improvent.

>>3499358
So this is how bad my eyes are huh? Feels ngmi.

If I do this everyday will I improve or do I need to learn the theory behind it.

>>3499799
>>3499825
these are nice, (apart from that lense flare effect ugh) doubt theres anyone in the /beg/ thread with the skill-level to give you constructive criticsm though.
Prepare for nitpicking, useless to false advice and shitposting like our friend over here >>3499833

>>3498690

watch some movie or browse through artwork with similar comps. you need to fill your brain with stuff other people did, preferably professionals.

See what makes their work really good and try to incorporate that into your work.

>>3499837
I think its just training your brain to estimate/translate 3 dimension problem within a 2d space, and I'm pretty sure that it's something that can be learned or improved with practice.

This is a nice tool, but it's not the end all be all. Another good (but irritating) exercise would be looking at an object, then trying to draw it from a different angle without changing your viewing angle. Eventually if you do it enough you'll be able to flip things around in your mind and draw them.

Anyone know any places to get some good references for composition?

What should I do to git gud?

>>3499968
work on gestures your rendering looks well-honed but your figures are stiff

How's this?

>>3498555
>needs a screen
just get good hand eye coordination faggot

Little doodle I did. First attempt messing around with layer transparency and inherited alpha.

>>3499417
Cutie patootie

>>3499555
It's done and I ruined it.

>>3500039
Don't be so hard on yourself, just take what you've learned and try again

>>3499980
It really falls apart around the mouth and nose. Practice drawing before painting.

>>3499764
ok so I tried playing with gesture and changing the pose, it's still kinda stiff, but I guess the flow of it will come around with more practice. Also totally ditched the low point of view. As before if anybody got any way to improve both the structure and gesture, I'd like to hear

>>3499968
why are you posting in beg?

>>3499968
You're just missing the "I only started drawing this month" or "I've only drawn casually as a hobby without studying, how's my work" and it would be perfect /beg/ spirit crushing post right here.

Go to the Draw General.

I made her look like an ugly crack whore and I am ashamed. No construction because it doesn't make sense to me and whenever I try my shit comes out worse than trash.

>>3500077
I assumed I was a beginner. I don't really feel like I know what I'm doing.

>>3500039
you did! now suck it up, do another one and try to not repeat the same mistakes

>>3499981
if you spent a lot of time practicing traditional because you wanted to be good at traditional, there will be more carryover in skill with a screen tablet compared to screenless

>>3499835
I tried to draw the mastery level 2 at bottom of this anon's pic (http://i.4cdn.org/ic/1530560480592.png).).

Am I at this level?

>>3500086
but I'm scared

>>3500039
you know you need to do more anatomy studies, so this time do a piece that forces you to detail the body from imagination
maybe you will be able to identify specific points of weakness to focus on without needing to get roasted here

>>3500106
Can't exactly determine your level from a copy. Draw something from imagination.

tfw you know what you should be doing to improve but instead you stagnate in your rut because messy anime sketches is one hell of a comfort zone

>>3500106
Try again. This time:

Don't draw on lined paper
Fit the entire character on the paper (takes 5 seconds of planning)
Rotate the image to the proper orientation before posting

Good luck

>>3500125
the crotch is too high also stop being a faggot

>>3500127
Can't do that yet, can only draw from reference. Does this mean I am not ready?

>>3500127
How do you plan out the size correctly? Every time I draw I draw too big.

(And sorry I did rotate it and when I click back on it in my folders it is vertical, idk why it's horizontal here)

If you use the words weeb or weaboo you need to get shot. They are in the sticky. Fuck whoever made it. Get a life losers.

>>3500139
nobody in this thread used those words except you so please step forward to the firing line

>>3500139
Take your meds or consider a new website where the anime girls can't get you.

>>3500132
Start out by plotting some points. Here's a point for the top of the head, here's where the shoulders are, here's the waist, and so on. Or you can just say here's the top of the head, and here are the feet, and then divide between those points for waist, knees, etc.

The whole point is to plan out the big picture and then work more and more on details. When your drawing is just a bunch of thin lines and points that you're visualizing upon, it's easier to erase and correct.

Do these look alright? I'd love any advice before drawing more

>>3500106
If I could attain a level just by copying, I would be fifth mastery easy. At this stage, she's drawn with basic construction (artist mannequins, a little bit of perspective training and proko's robo bean will work wonders). Her hands and body "flow" because the artist learned about gesture, but anatomy and clothing fold knowledge is almost nonexistent.
If you want quick improvements, Keys to Drawing will walk you through finding the center of the reference and blocking it out so you don't get the head cut off like so. You should also post this in the anime study thread /AST/ because they're always lacking in contributions.

>>3500151
Don't draw the contours or the form of the model, try and see through everything and find the motion of body.

It's kinda hard to explain, you've just gotta "feel it" harder.

>>3500154
Is the /AST/ beginner friendly? I thought it was for decent artists trying to learn anime.

>>3500159
>Is the /AST/ beginner friendly? I thought it was for decent artists trying to learn anime.
Unironically the funniest thing I've read all day.

About to color it

>>3498246
Loomis was NEVER a meme beyond being said any time someone draws a shitty looking portrait or head, and the ONLY reason he became that meme is because learning his method works, otherwise he would never be used as a response.

>>3500159
As long as you post anime copies there and not stuff from imagination, they will be grateful you're drawing instead of crabbing

>>3500174
What's crabbing?

I really need to invest in some watercolor paper....

not exactley going for photo realism but wish I could make more realistic looking skin

>>3500183
acting like a crab in the phrase "crabs in a bucket"

>>3500159
>Don't draw the contours or the form of the model, try and see through everything and find the motion of body.
So just the skeleton? Any examples please? I'd really appreciate some

>>3500219
hampton says it's all about identifying the curve of the spine

>>3500200
>realistic looking skin
That shouldn't really be a concern. We - as the audience - know it's skin. What you should focus on is the big-picture stuff, like getting your values to describe the forms, and a general sense of construction to help build the features of the face in a proportional and normal looking way. For example - you drew the eyes differently, when the eyes in the ref are very similar and more rounded. This could have been fixed by mapping out & balancing the general proportions of his face first, and THEN going in and rendering the features.

>>3500057
Her torso is straight up like her lower body is a base that you cut and pasted her torso onto. Do that pose and look in a mirror. Look as ninja and badass as possible and look at what it should resemble.

Im trying to apply references for poses.
I must admit its better then my first attempt but I feel I messed up on the anatomy.

>>3500219
Maybe what I did recently can help you: >>3499533
Here is another pic an anon did for me. His gesture is far to the right.
Here is also a video sharing what gesture actually is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74HR59yFZ7Y

>>3500274
Alright, I think I get it now, thank you

>>3500258
you suggest doing the reilly method over a photo and then moving it over and using it as a base? I always thought of just doing that but seems like im just cheating myself

I won’t apologize for this shit! :v

If I can't understand how to do construction properly, is there any point in trying to draw at all? I feel so fucking bad that it doesn't click with me

This is my latest piece. I know that the shadowing is off. But I just started getting serious about drawing regularly.

>>3500504
Also my phone camera is shit. Working on getting a scanner.

I fuck up hands so much. Also when I start with the head, the body(pose) is stiff. But when I start with the body I don't know where to place the head to avoid making fucked necks.

First attempt at the hair project in Keys to Drawing. I'm really struggling on where to add detail vs where to leave it to the viewer's imagination.

>>3500631
Pic related was the reference. I realize I messed up on the chin angle and made the overall shape too wide as a result.

I haven't used any references for shading or the shape of the face but does it look okay?

>>3500039
your colors are always gonna look shitty if you just use color layer over a grayscale image. try at least using a gradient map and then overpainting on that.

I have sort of a weird question, I hope someone can answer.
I have real difficulty drawing characters that are sort of simplified shapes, think stuff like looney tunes, or well basically anything that would need to be on model in that way.
What should I practice to improve in that? And how to practice it?

>>3500704

New thread up, gents

>>3500547
It's not all that stiff really, and neck position seems good. The thing that's the most jarring is probably how high up her breasts are, but for the rest it's pretty good, keep it up

Tips please? I want to draw ecchi images. I can only draw this pose. It's from my head