/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stanislav Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

>feeling a little cheeky and want to put a peepee on a male figure sketch
>realize i've had a penis for 20+ years and don't know where the dick and balls go

>Hey this perspective stuff isn't so hard, maybe I'll be fin-

What the heck is he doing? I can't follow this at all.

so I've been reading keys to drawing, (and I've seen this stuff posted a lot in tutorial type of stuff), but I'm a bit confused how trying to just copy what you see in your ref helps later.
I mean yes, the shit I manage to draw when just copying lines and trying to block out shapes and stuff looks better than anything I can come up with from my mind, but I feel like sooner or later you have to actually start to figure how shit looks without just copying it from the ref.

How can I improve how I see angles? Every time I try to block in I'm always a little off, I just can't perceive those little angle changes.

>>3493862
this, but also even if I see them I usually can't fucking draw small angle changes without exaggerating them.

why tf does my shit look so messy?

>>3493817
Looks like he's duplicating the square quickly. Page 113-114 of Perspective Made Easy.
He also managed to create intersection points where the entire fence can be cut into thirds.
http://andreasaronsson.com/guides/perspective-drawing/divide-into-equal-parts/

>>3493875
ref so you can tell me the irises are too big and the forehead's too small

>>3493862
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OiYk58W--w
This can be made even easier if you choose to use a ruler to make straight lines and use a folded piece of paper to measure (oddly enough). Put the folded paper next to what you want to measure and mark off the important points on that folded paper, then transfer that to your own drawing.
When you're comfortable and want to increase the difficulty, you can freehand your lines and use skewers/string/floss/whatever to measure.

>>3493878
>>3493875
the shape of the face is kinda off, like the sides of the jaw are way bigger/angular than in the ref.
Also his head is tilted, but I think the bottom of the nose looks kinda like it's meant for a straight face.
Not sure if that would fix the "messy" feeling, but you're better than me at this shit, so take that as you will.

>>3493889
thanks; i can see the proportional discrepancies, but, after looking at it longer, i think i just need to study how good artists shade - but i appreciate the feedback

>>3493828
Tracing allows you to see what a perfect copy would look like (you learn quickly not to represent teeth with straight lines, you figure out how you can represent an entire flower field with texture). Copying forces you to pay attention to your drawing habits (I tend to draw the nose huge compared to the rest of the face, I now know I need to correct my habit of doing this) and is much easier to critique than a drawing from imagination.

>>3493915
I guess this makes sense.
The question came to mind when I was blocking in small shadows on a face, since I
basically had no idea why they're even there, kinda felt pointless.
Though I probably shouldn't be trying to draw and shade a full face with my skills.

>>3493878

I'm a different anon but I kind of disagree with you! You've made some nice decisions on your strokes and shading but just like the other guy said, you need more practice with shape construction and anatomy.

I recommend this video for your photo studies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgJXyEsakC8<

Don't try to fix the stuff that you appreciate. Good shading is always nice but I don't think that's your biggest problem. Try to fix the stuff that you're the worst at. It's fucking painful but you have to do it to get better. Cheerios.

>>3493898
I used to be put off by how approximate measuring seemed to be, since measuring with something as clumsy as a thumb on a stick seemed to actively worsen my accuracy, especially for short lengths. Using paper to measure was a lot better and now I like measuring. It's also good for learning proportions, I think Keys talks about comparing lengths between different parts of your subject.

Does it look good? I know I messed up the mouth and nose a bit. Any tips for improvement?

Here is the ref:
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/46/0a/b6/460ab6535580e472611a79efd16c3f33--makeup-course-black-white-fashion.jpg

How many hours a day/how many days has it taken for you guys to see progress? Is 10,000 (deliberate practice) hours rule true? What counts as deliberate practice?

I need to stop doing these "relaxing" anime doodles after my practice sessions because very little that I get from it applies to anime characters, something just feels off about the head and I can't figure it out and it ends up stressing me out more.

How do they make those rounded cute style anime heads? I keep taking a stab at it and it never works.

>>3493982
Perspective, more than anything. The fact that you messed up the eye and mouth means that you didn't really map the skull or face to meet the perspective you wanted. It still looks somewhat decent tho!

>>3494037
Thanks. I haven't really studied perspective much yet. I've been struggling to get shading right I think I am finally starting to get it.

>>3493862
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBDZKoWLB9A#t=5m24s

Some garbage I did for a drawthread

>>3494010
idk if you mean like this, but like, you have to think 3D ball and add an expression

An erotic artist I am not. Blocked out the face because it was the worst of all.

i fucking hate the mouth

>>3494010
Stop drawing straight on head shots instead do 3/4th.

>>3494195
I'm this guy here, I can't do fine detail at all and I don't know where to start as far as adding it. I never really learned shading or anything like that. What's the best resource to get started on that?

>>3494242
The sticky.

>>3494246
The sticky! I keep putting off finishing it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c-Wul92wQc

proko is so cute

i give up

i give up

>>3494235
the mouth is where 'draw like a painter' shines the most; outlining a mouth can make it look clownlike, whereas just drawing in shadows can make it look subtle and good; look at how masters draw the mouth (this is usetul for pretty much anything)

>>3494235
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdLBGJ4wjFA

Send help please

What are some books on calligraphy you guys can recommend?

>>3494307
>>3494314
this was really helpful thank you anon

>>3493982
Honestly if all of the features were in the right place it'd be great, you're definitely on the right track, just keep working at understanding the forms behind the face to help you place the features in relation to each other

>>3494042
I loved the style, personally

>>3494283
saved

>>3494283
Did you purchase your copy of skyrim and have a preorder for the newest todd game?

Any recommendations for a cheap Chinese non-display tablet? Or buy the gaomon pd1560 directly from china for under 200?

>>3494431
dont. you'll regret it

>>3494283
Try making his armband the skyrim logo symbol

Tried Medusa. The lines are probably shit

>>3494477
Yep, too sketchy, your pen steadiness is terrible
8/10 over all reminds me of something I'd see in a old Disney move before they went 3D.

>>3494480
I have A LOT more sketches bur the lines are just as bad if not worse. Not sure if you'd want to see them

>>3494010
i draw anime heads after grinding my fundies too

i am a beginner so i dont know much. but when i analyze anime heads of young characters, there is a sphere , then a small "chin" that protrudes from the bottom of the sphere in a triangular prism like fashion that is supposed to be the jaw. BUT when drawing the hair , it actually extends above the sphere in the more "cute" drawings ive seen. like, the hair doesnt actually follow the sphere, it forms an ellipse/oblong or egg shape with a minor axis equal to the radius of the sphere, beginning around the ears and its major axes extends 10-20% past the radius of the sphere at the top of the head.

i can post a picture in a little bit on what i mean

>>3494480
here ya go anon, cleaned up lines

>>3494517
These are not clean lines

>>3494517
You may need to use a thicker pen, you missed some spots, still looks sketchy but better than before.

>>3494533
I painted this and this in manga studio. What's the biggest thing I should improve on?

>>3494534
you haven't seen my other shit anon, my lines are god awful.
>>3494534
I can't get out of the habit of doing multiple lies at a time instead of one smooth line.

>>3494536
You're still suffering from symbol drawing and you should not try to shade just yet, try drawing with lines instead

>>3494533
>>3494536
dont paint before you know how to draw
start with Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain from the artbook thread

>>3494543
That's pretty fucking neato anon. But holy shit your lines bug the shit out of me.

You also misspelled monster, what the fuck.

>>3494473
fuck anon, i accidentally saved my 1 layered version on the project file >_>

>>3494543
The uneven legs kinda throw it off. It's like I want to like what your making but I just can't 100% bring myself to because of the small errors.

>>3494546
Should I just draw a lot of things upside down till they look as good as the things I draw right side up?
>>3494548
What's exactly wrong with the drawing? What proportions are off?

How many hours do you put into any drawing/studies before deciding to move on to the next one?

>>3494564
Do as anon told you and read Drawing with the right side of the brain, I also recommend you try fun with a pencil. All your proportions are off anon. The only thing that holds in yiur drawing is the pose, they don't look stiff, but again, you need to focus on learning the fundamental concepts of drawing, THEN try to do more studies, applying what tou've learned, you will see results very fast if you try anon.

>>3494570
1 1/2 to 2 hours

>>3494573
I've always been against reading books but I guess I'll try it and see where it takes me.

>>3494469
Regret for both? or just the gaomon?

>>3493932
this was damn useful +rep

>>3494570
Into practice and studies about 30min to 1 hour but I don't do it every day. For drawings I've been putting 4-16 hours. About 8 hours per day

>>3494325
you're using the wrong hand

>>3494584
I probably do more studying than drawing, would such a big ratio of drawing to learning even help? There has to be only so much you can learn just from drawing itself.

>>3494325
LONDON

>>3494581
the cheap chinese, I dont know enough about the other

>>3494588
No it doesn't, but I spend more time doing because it's more engaging. I'm stopping soon and go back to studies though, I'm getting tired of polishing turds desu.

>>3494431
Heard good things about xp pen deco. Not the wireless one though.
Jap not Chinese tho if that matters

dont give a fuck about rendering. im mostly interested in how i did with drawing/construction, skin color (trying for darker skin), values, and lighting. after this ill go back to a study phase based off what you niggas tell me

>>3494431
>buying chinese peripherals
lmao'ing at your life t. /g/

>>3494638
stop shitposting

>>3494642
>stop shitposting

>>3494638
do you even need to ask at this point

>>3494661
yes

>>3494638
draw this

>>3494668
why

>>3494670
Draw it.

>>3494677
ill have to do it later

Is there a defacto true way to do gesture drawings? I just hope I am on the right track with these.

>>3493875
forehead needs to be a bit taller and slightly more narrow, jaw needs to be narrower. otherwise breddy gud

>>3494691
Yes, those look good, as long as you're capturing the action

>>3493982
feels like you learned the advanced stuff before the basics, go back and draw faces upside down with a pencil for awhile

>>3493817
literally the easiest thing about perspective. We see each other again when you start multiplying curves on a tilted plane.

>>3494700
>multiplying
i mean mirroring

>>3494694
thanks chang long

>>3493817
Don't you worry your little Morty head.
Drawing is like this yt vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jluv2HxFEqs
>Hey i'm Loomis and i'm here to hel-
>...

>>3494534
took your advice. Did something not to complex.

>>3494717
>one eye

Don't do that. Biggest mistake one could make.

Otherwise you still messed up a few places on the head but a much better improvement that with whatever you where using before.

Keep practicing.

>>3494707
the head turn hayabusa does at the end is so fucking funny

god i miss old newgrounds animation.

>Draw 5 boxes using shoulder strokes
>Deltoid muscle on fire
>Supposed to draw like 20 more boxes for this lesson
H-help...

>>3494747
Gotta get swole for art

>>3494747
are you just doing normal tripod grip but lifting your elbow? dont

>>3494802
>are you just doing normal tripod grip but lifting your elbow?
i cant answer that because idk what that is

>>3494691
Those are pretty good already.
and no everyone does gestures differntly to a point just look up different examples, compare vilppu to stan prokopenko or matt from drawingtutorialsonline.
What they all have in common tho is that the action reads.
Theres something you can learn from all of them and add to your own gesture though, so look at a lot of different examples.

>>3494814
tripod grip is hold your pencil/pen with three fingers.

How the fuck do I practice drawing clean lines ?
Whenever I try doing it in one stroke over the sketch the drawing becomes weak as shit.
Anyone had experience with this and could give me advice ?

>>3494914
I can't help you but I want to say I really like the pic. Especially how you drew the upper body. I wish I could draw shirtless anime males a fraction as decent as that

>>3494914
the drawing becomes weak because it already is weak. sketchy lines give the illusion of strength because your mind fills in the blanks and sees what it wants to when presented with a bunch of options.

which is evident because this piece is a mess. do more studies so you can understand creating form with line. you can do stylized art and still study realistic anatomy so you can create a believable figure, these proportions don't look human (stylized or not)

>>3494914
this drawing's just weak because, instead of foreshortening, you've just given him a really fucking big, stumpy leg

>>3493679
Has anyone here read The Natural Way to Draw? I am currently going through it and am having a hard time understanding cross contours. The author says one should do a sheet of them. Does he mean first make the contour and then do the cross contours? Should I use real human models or just objects?

Anybody have any idea?

requesting critique.
ignore the clawfeet.
been practicing poses, have some truble with twisting torso

>>3494964
read chapter 1 of michael hampton's figure drawing book

>>3494964
looks like you pasted you just selected the everything above the rib cage and just Flip Horizontal'd it. I suggest doing more studies from photos and trying to better understand how the body works

>>3494970
thanks I'll make sure the check out the book
>>3494971
thanks for the ref

>>3494971
please refrain from posting ugly models.

>>3495019
please refrain from being completely autistic

How's the color composition and visual appeal?

feedback please

>>3495029
measure the negative space

>>3495028
all the colors are too saturated the background looks like a 10 year old drew it and the anatomy is repulsive
>those HANDS

>>3494863
how are you supposed to hold it then?
fist?

>>3495039
with your foot

>>3495039
like a paintbrush

>>3495036
Lel, nice one.

>>3495033
like this?

if i spend 6 hours a day trying to copy (without tracing) cute anime heads how long until i can try making my own without it looking completely retarded
>inb4 never

>>3495089
You should probably study them more than just copying them. Figure out proportions (if that even exists in anime), and analyze it. Then try to copy it with and without reference.

>>3495039
firmly grasp it

>>3495099
I appreciate the non-meme answer. I try studying by myself the proportions and contours of anime heads/faces I think look cute. But I fail miserably when I try recreating them without tracing or pseudo-tracing

I guess i should study some pixiv guides. all the western guides ive seen dont create cute faces imo

>>3494517
It's helpful to use less strokes when making line art, you want long, consistent strokes. Don't be afraid of messing up, you can just press ctrl z. If you lower the opacity and change the color of your original piece and make a new layer above it, you can re draw the clean line art over it. Then you can sketch in digital pencil but still end up with clean work

>>3495089
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY-tGAhulrOzRd6n1mLZwSg

you need to learn actual anatomy, construction, and realism to draw anything worth a damn from imagination. there are no shortcuts in the long run. you'll learn some tips from these videos and from copying cute faces, but you need to put in the time. draw what you want still, copy work you find attractive, but study too.

>>3495089
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRYuHKwhgfCighvhR3n151w/videos

I tried

>>3495067
good study anon

>>3495028
Is the green haired one a giantess or does the other one just have the hands of a four year old?

>>3495249
Reimu is significantly smaller than her.

>>3495028
The water effect you where trying to do on the skin, especially the water dripping off, looks like loose hair.
The hands and forearms need to be sized up.

Attempting to draw with a reference on my second monitor. Any feedback would be appreciated.

Girl is Malena Morgan.

>>3495302
Sorry about the resolution I only realised after I posted.

I would appreciate feedback on these, 2 minutes each pose. It's been a while since I actually did a study session. I need to get better

>>3495302
Pick reference suited for beginners.

>>3495228
>>3495242
I am grateful for the links and advice. I grind my fundies but I can only draw boxes and cylinders for so long before I get the itch to attempt something cute. but i am a symbol drawing pleb and dont know how to shape the chin or where to place the eyes without cheating by pseudo tracing. i think i'll try red-lining a bunch of craniums of differently oriented anime characters i find cute. maybe my brain rote-learns where the eyes go and what the chin is doing in 3d space

I'm pretty confused about how to use art books. Am I supposed to read all of them and apply the techniques from all of them or am I supposed to use one book for a specific aspect of art like anatomy or color or figure drawing? I feel a bit overwhelmed.

>>3495318
make your figures more 3d, I never liked the squigly lines art it doesn't help when you try to draw 3d shapes.

squigly lines are good for people who do urban sketching or comics, but if you want to get better at figure drawing spend 5 min on each sketch to get the "3d" feeling into the sketch.

Read a whole bunch of stuff and watched videos on measuring and finding landmarks and improving accuracy.

And this was the result, it's so off that it's almost making me consider quitting. It's worse than I did before I measured things.

>>3495352
if doing badly once is enough to make you quit then do it

>>3495352
the thing with landmarks is, the first one you fuck up causes a domino effect
you need to be checking and rechecking if your goal is to copy a photo

also start using your stylus to measure angles. sit back from your screen hold your pen up and see what your angle is supposed to be and replicate it. it looks like things went south because you got the angle of the cheek wrong and the crest of the head (then the eye line, chin, etc followed suit)

>>3494970
>>3494971
am I even doing it right? feels like I am going backwards

>>3495347
you can imply form with squiggly lines you don't only have to do your pic related to convey form dude

>>3495352
looks like you need to spend time on the basics, head, eyes, nose, hair,

Do that first then try entire portraits.

>>3495359
This drawing lacks weight because you didn't start with the right gesture/line of action according to your reference. youre not "going backwards" your foundation was flawed so you have to rebuild it

>>3495359
read hampton, it'll give you direction <3

>>3495347
Thank you, I've always been impatient with my lines which is why they look like that. I'll try to spend more time on each pose next time

>>3495357
Almost enough, negative improvement when you work harder is incredibly demoralizing.

>>3495358
I got screwed over and have a really curvy stylus so I should find a pencil for the next attempt and I've been trying really hard to improve my angles but I just cannot see them well enough.

>>3495361
I feel like that would make me focus too hard on the small parts and not the bigger picture.

>>3495370
>negative improvement.
Acknowledge it for what it is, practice. Do 20 of those and then comeback.

>>3495247
lol is that the Allah Akbar finger?

Nice hand anon.

>>3495364
Thanks for the encouragement. I am just struggling to figure out what I am even trying to do here. How do other people have such solid gesture lines? I've spent years drawing with a skeleton, but when it comes to these I always struggled to understand what is even going on.

>>3495366
thanks for the suggestion, it really showed me how bad I really am. I am honestly sad about all the effort I put into doing something the wrong way.

>>3494377
Wow thanks.

>>3494376
Thanks anon I'll start looking into form I haven't really studied it much yet but I have been trying to "visualize" what I am seeing in my mind.

>>3494699
lol I will try that I haven't actually drawn anything upside down since the Picasso picture.

How long do you think it would take to notice improvement if you study/draw for about 4-5 hours a day?

I keep beating myself up over not improving but I've only been studying for a week.

>>3495489
stop worrying about how long it takes. it takes away from your focus during your studies

What is your favorite exercise/thing to draw?

For me it's gotta be gesture drawing, every time I feel like I'm doing awfully or I'm stuck in a rut I'll do some and eventually I'll stop thinking and it'll all flow freely and what ever I draw afterwards will always look more alive, it's a shame I can't stay in that mindset forever.

did this in an hour

>>3495620
original painting
the bright as fuck coloring doesnt fit my neet lair

>>3495612
i love drawing anime bro
it just looks so cute and comfy
the lighting and colors are easy to toy around with too

Help me fix the guy on the right? I wish I had a model for reference but no one was available so I had to draw from imagination.

>>3495624
fuck this is so goood, it almost looks like a future fantasy illustration with that much blue. my new fav painting

Very first shot at drawing.

>>3495670
This is her btw, she's just shooting lazors in my pic.

Hello art friends. I'm a /sci/fag but have always felt I was missing something in my life. I think it is expression.

I can't draw for shit. Barely even stick figures. I would like to be able to draw decently within the next 2 years. I've been practicing drawing with drawabox for 4 - 5 hours a day for the past week and a half (it is easy for me because I can just do it while watching movies or listening to podcasts). I'm still grinding out lesson 1, repeating things to be sure I get the fundamentals down. Is this (drawabox) a good path for someone like me?

second try 6 minutes edition

>>3495711
What are you drawing with?

>>3495715
Friend gave me a bamboo tablet. I'm drawing in paint.

>>3495697
Not just this. You're basically increasing line confidence, a necessary skill, but not really helping with drawing. I'd reccomend Keys to Drawing or Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (ignoring the pseudo science) to help you use your sight better when drawing studies.

I’m not really an artist, I’m more just a character designer. Still, i would love to hear thoughts on my designs

>>3495717
I don't know a lot about free drawing software but you'll have a lot better luck in something like gimp or SAI. Regardless, welcome to /beg/ and may you find gains to come

>>3495738
Thanks senpai.

>>3495725
This is neato, I like it

>>3495738
Paint.net

>>3495740
Thank you!

I’m trying to perfect a simplified style with some Bruce Timm influences.

>>3495786
Fug, I swear I resized it. Wasn’t supposed to be 1+ mb

>>3495725
They are neat, I love strange designs like these, but you should consider placing them in imgur or something instead of dumping. What are they supposed to be?

how do i get better without practicing

>>3495820
Kill and consume other artists to gain their powers.

>>3495717
krita. don't use gimp

>>3495842
>kde

>>3495845
not the place for that

>>3495848
Trying to shill to the incompetent artists since no one who knows how shitty qt is will use it?

>>3495697
Check out "perspective made easy" by Ernest R. Norling.
It's in the artbook threads op under essentials.

>>3495833
t.Sylar

>>3495852
>not trying to take out the competition before it starts to be a problem

How do I make my hair less /beg/, /beg/?
General comments also accepted, of course

>>3495931
stop outlining it like it's a polygon

>>3495931
Here's another pic of me drawing hair

>>3495931
>>3495945
Learn to construct your heads.

>>3495938
>>3495969
Thanks guys, I'll work harder

I was told to show what my construction looks like,
is this correct? How do I get gud at construction?
What I'm doing so far is just drawing and learning perspective.

>>3496041
Are you scared of hands anon?

>>3496043
sort of
but I've been drawing them more recently, like I drew some yesterday.

>>3496041
Pro tip: the fingers are supposed to go inside

but really I was told to work on construction so idk, I like your eyes a lot though

Body slightly better, face and hair still fucking suck. Oh well.

>>3495274
Thank you for the crit.

>>3495682
PRIMURU
SEKUNTOMO
ELTRIUMU

The quality is bad when zooming out in photoshop
How do I fix it?
Also, is it possible to use the HUD when using mixer brush?
Thanks a ton in advance

>>3496152
>The quality is bad when zooming out in photoshop
Sample?

>>3496154

what do you guys think of Draw a Box?

>>3496161
compared to what?

>>3496202
Here

>>3495833
i mean, technically this is right

I'm having trouble with foreshortening, especially the torso area.
please help

>>3494677
>>3494668
okay here. not sure what you were hoping for me to learn

>>3496221
Remove the tits till you've figured out the body.

>>3495352
-Have a look at the block in method
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BqD38TQGjo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPtlXb7fLfs
-learn about shapes
-dont draw things you cannot actually see, the (from her view) right side is one big shadow shape theres no way you saw an eye there
-Don't start drawing randomly and then adding to it like a patchwork, that's how you get drifting features and disproportion. Start with the overall, something to contain your drawing.
-Judge your angles and distances over and over again, you will develope a better feeling for it but for now you need to be super aware of them.

watched proko gesture video
and also reading vilppu drawing manual

pls rate

>>3496360
L for low effort.

muh boring figure

I find drawing on the right side of the brain much more intimidating than fun with a pencil so far.

Is it okay to chicken scratch during construction so long as you do the lines properly when you go over them again?

>>3496605
Depends on what you consider chicken scratching.

>>3496608
I mean doing a bunch of small lines using my wrist to help with precision and getting the shape I want before drawing with my arm/elbow for the final lines and then erasing the construction.

>>3496605
If you have to ask then no.

>>3496611
Post wip for clarification.

>>3496618
It's just a small doodle.

>>3496622
its fine, its not as bad as the worst scratching, but itll probly hinder you when youre doing more complex things (if you do more complex things) even if its like a stylized human. short quick strokes makes you neglect the overall form and gesture and can make stuff look stiff and flat

>>3496622
No point in drawing from the shoulder when your drawings are two inches tall.

>>3496630
I'll keep that in mind, thanks
>>3496632
Yeah I'm clearly worrying too much over something tiny in this case

>>3496605
>>3496622
Stopping chicken scratch is not about being clean but about carefully visualizing the lines/forms you're trying to draw and correctly get them down without shooting off a bunch of lines faster than your mind can keep up.

Slow down and think more about the whole image while you draw,always use your shoulder except for really tiny details, and don't worry if it's wobbly since (like you said) that can be cleaned up later. The lines in the example drawings in Keys to Drawing are what you should be doing.

>>3496582
>looks stiff
>posture isn't fluid
>face is botched
>feet are ugly
>hiding the hands
>chest isn't big

I suggest you look up gesture drawing and substitute the head with an oval so you won't worried about adding details like a face, etc. The figure has three main parts to keep in mind, the head, the chest, and the hips.

>>3496646
Thank you. I'm well aware of the pose problems. I wonder what you mean with "chest isn't big"? Also how to make feet not so ugly, I think they are too big/angular?

how can i improve?

>>3496657
Get out of your comfort zone.

>>3496656
>Also how to make feet not so ugly

You simplified them for instance, pic related, the artist divides the foot into shapes for him to see how it works, now that doesn't mean it's going to work for anyone because that's how he sees a foot, that's his formula. You're going to end up doing the same by making your own formula to approach your drawings. Keep grinding, and I hope this helps.

>>3496665
god damn at least use a good guide those feet look like shit

>>3496665
>>3496672
Yes, thank you. Also now I realize that I drew her left foot mirrored. I never expected it to happen to me and yet there it is, JUST
that might have something to do with the ugliness as well

rate? i know its not the best version of joker dw

What are some drawing exercises that you would recommend daily for a beginner other than gesture drawing?

>>3496687
As a wannabe comic artist, I started doing an exercise where I tried drawing a picture on those office Sticky Notes. Every picture was supposed to give the impression of being part of a bigger story or a complete thought. That kept me away from just doing abstract character poses, and the very limited space of the note forced me to stop trying to cram it full of detailed lines and instead use bigger expressions.

>>3496687
Draw boxes, cylinders, cones, spheres and so on.

>>3496258
Not that anon, but I'm trying this out.

Hm?

>>3496719
Too wide.

rate my gesture

>>3496776
>not a gesture drawing
>chicken scratching

try again anon

>>3496776
this isn't a gesture unless youre talking about the underlying form you drew initially

in any case it isn't accurate to the photo homegirl is about to fuckin fall over

>>3496783
>>3496783
How is that not a gesture drawing?

>>3496776
If you were trying to copy the photo, my first observation is that the photo was taken from a low angle but you sketch is from a neutral level view.

Drawing from various height POVs is valuable practice.

>>3495632
Guy on the right has the proportions of a very tall guy but the size next to the other guy makes him look short so it looks werid

currently reading The New Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain, how necessary is it to craft the viewfinder?

>>3496796
gesture needs to capture the movement and form and its meant the be quick with few strokes. your drawing is extremely off because you didn't focus on the line of action which is the meat of a gesture

>>3496823
The guy who asked about what made it not a gesture drawing (me) was not the guy who posted it.

I prefer portraits of attractive people, not naked drunk thots. But I understand the definition of gesture drawing now.

>>3496822
Very.

Any advice? Ive been drawing for a week. Mainly just do portraits because theyre the most fun for me. I use a mechanical pencil

>>3496834
don't start with the eyes or whatever piece of the face you started with, draw the entire form youre trying to render and make sure it fits on the page. if it helps draw a line where the top of the head will be then where the chin will end. the portrait's orientation on the page makes me cringe

>>3496834
>grid

>>3496719
That's pretty good already, your angles are pretty accurate, your measurements are a bit off though which makes the face wide and the top of her head flat.
you can use your pencil to judge distances more accurately. you can also use negative shapes to check against your actual shapes.
Proko puts it better than me just watch the vid:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzDGO0LssEM

>>3496836
I will keep that in mind, yeah it does look a bit cringe, I’ll probably cut the bottom part off

>>3496837
Should i not be using a grid on the reference? It makes it easier to see the picture as shapes rather than symbol drawing

>>3496844
that's fine for this one but do understand that the orientation of your subject impacts your composition and its pretty much an art no no to put something so close to the edge

>>3496823
I'm the anon who drew the thing. And thanks a lot I was getting confused about what is and isn't a gesture drawing. Thanks for the feedback.
So this next thing I drew wouldn't be considered a gesture drawing either? I am supposed to focus on the skeleton right?

>>3496856
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7Dki6BFyV84sj1xujaBzt2VmJuaqMYte
http://www.erikgist.com/ErikGist_WattsAtelierFigureTutorial.pdf

>>3496833
I figured as much, thanks

>>3496856
you don't have to call it a gesture you can just study the construction/anatomy and call it a study. the goal of gesture is to capture movement. it teaches you natural human posing and can assist your composition in the future. its not just construction but also negative space and "flow" of the body

>>3496847
Better? Or worse

>>3496885
neither. it cant really be fixed so don't worry about it. in the future just try to stay away from those edges unless you absolutely cant

>>3496834
I would honestly not shade in the hat or his skin tone with pencil like that. It looks pretty scratchy and terrible. A very middle schooler look. Save the shading with your pencil only for shaded areas while you practice. Doing this also makes it MUCH easier to go back and edit details since you aren’t erasing chunks of pencil shade lines.

>>3495786
Please notice me.

>>3496894
Do you think the shading i did is accurate, even though its scratchy? I ordered charcoal pencils and do you think if i were to do the same shading on the skin + hat it would look better (if i were to blend it)

>>3496864
thanks now I finally understand wtf I am even doing. I shall proceed on drawing fluid sitck-men

>>3496907
I would just not shade in vast areas like the skin and hat right now. You’re practicing trying to get the form right, and having a layer of charcoal atop them creates a barrier to editing. I’d only use the charcoal for actual shadows. In your current picture it’s honestly hard to find the shadows from the skin color.

I’d get better at faces by banging out a lot of fast practice with this

https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/face-expression-practice/

>>3496870
thanks a lot for the illustrations. at first it wasn't clear to me what the goal of the practice was, this and >>3496864
clarifies a lot

Just starting to move into digital painting. What is a good starting canvas size to mess around in?

>>3496924

the height/width doesn't really matter (use 300dpi) unless youre printing something or doing wallpapers but it should be big and not square ex: 2000x3000 or 3000x2000

>>3496931
Oh, okay. That makes plenty of sense. Yeah, I was just curious about what is good for just doodling around and messing with brushes and whatnot. Thanks anon.

>Been drawing for a year and a few months
>Still can't get anatomy right
Should I give up?

>>3496946
Show pics

>>3496946
Hey, I'm in the same boat, a year and a month in. Still struggling but gotta admit it's easier than before.

>>3495352
Back for another try after going through the materials given to me and I'm not sure if I even did any better than last time.

Blocking in with wrapping lines didn't work at all for me and made things even harder, I think the head is at least facing the right way this time but I cannot find any decent measurements or landmarks to map the nose and right side of the face properly.

It's really frustrating because I can't seem to use any other method like negative space when I'm measuring, it's like my eyes go blind and can only rely on the measurements or it instantly looks wrong.

>>3496957
if nothing is working then you need to do something easier than a face and work up to that complexity. or you need to throw away line and start blocking with value because it seems lines are constricting you.

I think I'm slowly getting it now

How do I know if I belong in /beg/ or the stylization threads or the anime threads?

>>3496974
Post work

>>3496957
you're symbol drawing too much, flip the photo then draw it

>>3496979
I flipped it several times

>>3496985
i mean draw the photo while it's upside down, dip.

>>3496957
you've chosen a terrible difficult reference for beginners. you cant see all of the facial features which makes it very difficult to actually utilize anchors/landmarks and keep consistent reference angles/lines
table this reference and do more studies without half the face in shadow

How's this, what could be improved with the proportions?

>>3496957
Use plumb lines.

>>3496685
Bryan?

>>3496957
This just looks like you disgruntedly spent 5 min on it and then gave up based on how horrible it is.
It's not better or even all that different than the last one. which is not suprising, considering that it looks like you didn't even try anything differntly.
There are 2 things that might be the cause
a.)your attitude/Frustration is the real problem.
or
b.)your eye/judgement/coordination are not developed enough
If it's B no Technique or method will help, you'll just have to draw (a lot) like excercising a muscle. Untill you've reached a point where studying is actually gonna help you.

Here's my advice.
either
-move away from portraits, since they're about the hardest thing you can draw, and come back later once you have developed your eye/judgement/coordination
or
-use a grid (aka training wheels) at least that way you'll know how far off-course you're going
-In either case, draw longer, treat it like you would your girlfriend, take your time, how are you gonna get anywhere if you splooge in your pants in the first 5 min?

How do improve my faces when drawing full bodies? I’ve only got about an inch of space to work with and it always fucks me up.

looking for an opinion on these

>>3497104

>>3496957
Got frustrated and decided to drop all the measurements and just do a basic loomis construction and switched my mind off and followed negative space and light to calm back down although I did just end up polishing a turd in the end.

It really sucks to have to go back to basic face parts and shapes but if I can't measure a portrait I feel like I'm watching all this figure drawing and perspective lessons for nothing.

particularly interested in the rotate insects on the right. please help me out here

>>3497104
>>3497106
you're getting somewhere lad, keep it up and don't forget to draw bodies too

>>3496733
>>3496842
Tks, I tried to fix it in pic related. At this stage I get kinda stuck for some reason.

I'm not sure if it's because I've been staring at this for the past hour and my minds going fucky or if there's an actual issue so I have to ask, does the shading look fucked to you guys?

Help, I don't seem to be improving. I have studied all of the senpais masters (H.C. Brown, Proko, and Draw With JAzza, Baylee Jae) but I never improve. I have bought every copic marker available, every Michaels top tier pencil but nothing. No improvement.

>>3496977
>Post work
Oh nevermind, I belong in /beg/.

>>3497130
If light is on 1 shouldn't it be also in 2?

>>3497104
>>3497106
Cute, draw bigger

This was a 2 hour pose in figire drawing class tonight. Last week anon told me to stick with black and white when i only have a 2 hour window..so i did. Thoughts?

I haven't drawn in a while because I really have had no time at all so I kind of feel in a rut.
I had these saved, I can't remember if they're 1 or 2mins per figure. They're like... maybe three months old, sorry.
But anyway, any tips on how I could improve this? Like, stuff you think I should practice once I have time, stuff I'm doing wrong, I dunno.
By just looking at it myself I feel like I alter proportions a bit much for a study, but I wasn't going for completely realistic anyway, I'm not sure if it's necessary to be 100% precise with these exercises, I've never been (it probably shows?).
I'll stop talking now, let me know I guess.

>>3497306
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>>3495028
My dickkkkk

help

>>3497599
I drew this about a month ago and I'm actually better now but feel free to point out what's wrong with it before the m#ds get me

>>3497602
am i doing this right

>>3497188
>If light is on 1 shouldn't it be also in 2?
N o
>>3497116
Its probably better if you just start off with cel shading.
>>3497104
good
>>3494747
Then you're doing something wrong.
>>3497603
help

>>3496060
Complete /beg/ here but I think the top left of the left breast should curve towards the armpit rather than continuing towards the neck.