/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

Anime Tutorial Sites:
https://www.pixiv.net/howto
https://sensei.pixiv.net/
https://www.palmie.jp/

Books:
https://yande.re/forum/show/10527

Sankaku Complex Tags: https://chan.sankakucomplex.com/?tags=color_trace
>how-to_guide, character_sheet, expression_chart, turnaround, concept_art, production_art, color_trace, anime_coloring, fake_screenshot, 80s, 90s

Head Drawing Tutorials:
Steve Huston: https://youtu.be/2T7cDY7YDsg
http://babelab.blogspot.com/2011/11/feature-creep-constraining-face.html
Doxy 1: https://youtu.be/b69fyAZGl50
Doxy 2: https://youtu.be/asL9PxCUEiw
Doxy 3: https://youtu.be/UZvEzjYYQFE
Ahmed Aldoori Hair: https://youtu.be/-SYIPBS2F0k

Real-Time:
DokiDoki Drawing: https://youtu.be/t_IODIIYAe0
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY-tGAhulrOzRd6n1mLZwSg/videos
Pixiv One: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLulf7UObD28VWM2kRb7keI6_lbxQgm4jC
AnimeSijyuku: https://twitter.com/animesijyuku
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRYuHKwhgfCighvhR3n151w/videos
SeAL_Morita_Eihirei: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2vxffrDVPmAlKvMu5nDEd6yx3-W68T1a

Suggest some other resources that are useful for anime studies.

Going to copy every single picture Fatalpulse has done, boys. Wish me luck.

Whenever I look at animeesque cartoons like totally spies or voltron I get mad. Like there’s something off about the way it’s drawn and I can’t seem to figure out what. Like it looks cheap but why?

I want to give up

>>3480171
anime IS cheap
that's the point of the entire fucking industry
japs are just better at hiding it with a more defined graphic identity

>>3480197
Neither of those shows are anime.

Anyone watch Urasawa no Manben? Their episode on Inio Asano is really interesting in that you really get a sense how he incorporates digital mediums into his work, and how it's evolved since his start
>>3480171
so much anime/manga is all about showing rather than telling; animesque shows still have trouble coming to terms with this
>>3480183
don't

>>3480171
It's always the noses and lips. Most non-Japanese artists think anime is just big shiney eyes, but they forget how the rest of the face looks. Pseudo-anime cartoons generally have either round noses or big developed lips. That's what throws them off. These parts should be small and minimalized.

Has anyone tried to do a side by side comparison of western vs eastern art? There’s minor differences in the lineart and how they approach the form, but it might explain why 99% of ‘western anime’ looks like dogshit.

>>3480338
>might
It would explain it and it'd be easy enough to do but that's not really necessary western anime shows were just a fad

>>3480338
I've tried doing something similar. But I've come up empty. I can't help but feel that it'd be helpful to not know which one was japanese and which one wasn't.

>>3480239
There are exceptions though, pic related is luscious full lips

Have any of you been looking into cel shading? I'm having trouble understanding where the darker tones were placed in older animes, sometimes it doesn't seem to match what would logically be the darkest part of the object.

>>3480239
Eyes are definitely the best part of the face anyway

What are some of your go to real life models/references for cute girls doing cute poses (preferably with big tits)? K-pop groups/idol groups maybe? Most western models emphasize being smart/intimidating/sexy/seducing but I personally find that asian is just more naturally suited for doing cute things

>>3480517
porn/weeaboo cam girls

>>3480517
asian cosplayers

>>3480517
anime screenshots

>>3480517
I go for a walk.

>>3480517
>I personally find that asian is just more naturally suited for doing cute things
That's because you're a racist.

>>3479667
Studying from artists you want to be like is good, but it's clear a lot of the people in these threads need to work on more fundamentals first. I feel like this is a shaky path you gotta be careful with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItHMIQtngiE

>>3480652
Fuck off back to plebbit

Any easy to understand tutorials for drawing clothes, clothes relationships with gravity/wind and all that jazz?

Critiques? I'm a beginner and I'm confused to find good exact references for clothes and hair, I learned a lot about drawing bodies using DesignDoll but is there something like that for hair and clothing or should I just learn how to use 3D modeling softwares and create my own model of whatever I want for references? (clothes/hair/wrinkles/shoes/basically anything)

My eye references are 2015 and up cuvie works if anyone wondering

Real life must be your reference
You have to understand the human body first then you can do whatever you want and integrate your style to create anime characters, buy this book if you can and buy artbooks too they are really useful well at least for me it is.

>>3481092
I do try to learn basic stuffs like anatomy, perspective, lighting and all that kind of stuffs too but if I want to fix my imagination/concept/animu or whatever drawing by using real life references most people will never find the exact real life references for whatever we draw right? I guess my problem is that I don't really understand yet how to apply knowledges I'm getting from different references to my own drawing if the references are drastically different to my own drawing

>>3481092
Why do you keep coming here? Just make your own thread if you want to take about real-life study. This is anime study.

>>3481102

Well when I draw characters I tend to take pictures of the body parts that I need to draw for example I sucked at drawing hands.. But now it's totally different I don't use Anime reference I use photos of my own hands in the exact position I want etc.

>>3481109
You shouldn't just flat out reject anime references if that's what your trying to draw. You'll just end making realistic drawings. But if that's your goal, then why are you in this thread?

>>3481107
>>3481116
/ic/ seems very calm from my fast skimming compared to the board I used to hang around that I'm a little bit off guard lol. So how do you get good references for weird/heavily stylized hair and clothing? (especially clothing). I try to use this image's method as much as possible but for stuffs I want to draw that doesn't have references/completely new stuffs, how do you do it?

>>3481116

You do realize that manga authors most of the time use realism with their own style to create their '' anime'' characters?


Realism is not forbidden in manga don't confuse things..

>>3481123
it's hard to find good reference for clothes try and do the pose in a mirror/phone wearing similar clothes if you can there's a ton of different ways to draw hair I'll try to share some tutorials in a minute

>>3481123
I guess learning to use 3D modeling softwares can solve that isn't it? I might be wrong though and I clearly know that using modeling softwares is a completely different skills outside of drawing but it seems much cost and time effective once you master it especially compared to actually create clothes lol (my parents design and create clothes for their part time gigs and sometimes I help them, fitting/sewing/creating patterns and all those stuffs are fucking hell if I just want to draw cute animu grills lol)
>>3481127
Neat, thanks dude. There are much more tutorials and references about hair so I don't expect to be spoonfeed too much about that but thanks anyway

>>3481135
it's easy enough to post some tuts don't worry about it

>>3481125
They also look at other artists' works as well, hence why this thread exists. Please read the OP first before posting.

>>3481153

A question was asked I answered that is all, you don't need tell me what I already knew.

oh no I'm sharing my top secret best stuff I guess I've lost it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvLmE_opaS8&t=0s&index=25&list=LLs3VhFOTytIn49vITGtdxkQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11x62FzYS5M&t=8s&index=16&list=LLs3VhFOTytIn49vITGtdxkQ

>>3481107
not him but in order to study anime or whatever stylized shit you want, you need to have a basic understanding of the fundamentals like what >>3481092 is recommending. Literally almost everyone included in the OP pic have no understanding of how body and form works and they just copied their reference for the sake of copying.
You need to learn first how the body works before stylizing or breaking the rules.

>>3481163
symbol drawing tutorial

>>3481299
not at all you use a brush to sketch in the hair and then pen it's not even a tutorial for faces you crab

>>3481270

Thank God finally someone who understands!!

I am part of the Op picture (the 3 drawings of different characters who are on the same draft book)

And I struggled a lot just to understand that as long that I don't understand the basics I would have gone nowhere, I still have some difficulties but it is a lot easier now.

>>3481309
keep symbol drawing youll never make it

>>3481315
keep being a brain damaged crab you'll surely make it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76FqDp9h4rc

>>3481092
This is a load of shit when you realize there are good jap artists that can't draw realistically.

you neets will never make it

>>3481349
That thing on the right is ugly pseudo anime. Either way fuck off already you can shill your loomis and muh anatomy in every other thread.

so I studied a few different pictures to draw this I'm trying to figure out what sort of design/style decisions I like from my favorite artists

>>3481358

Never going to make it.

>>3481363
I'm not trying to "make it" you mentally ill fuck.

>>3481358
youre fucking retarded you think that art style is any different from anime? when will you dumbfucks realize anime just falls on a spectrum between realism and stylization. it doesn't matter what you call the art style on the right, the point still stands, and youre still a fucking idiot

>>3481365
That's nice, instead of trying to repeat the same shit everyone's already heard about fundies and construction why don't you just fuck off? This thread is for people actually drawing.

>>3481343
Name one GOOD Jap artist can't draw realistic.

>>3481366
You mean mindlessly copying like a human xerox machine right?

>>3481366

You are a buffoon my boy..how can you pretend to care about this thread If you don't open your mind..

>>3481358
>>3481343
you're a special kind of retard if you're not planning to study anatomy in order to draw stylized art. Show us your progress.

>>3481369
You can copy to learn proportions and how to draw a hairstyle and eyestyle you can copy to learn how to draw characters of a certain genre like sol shounen copying isn't a mindless activity by default

>>3481369
>>3481370
>>3481371
Nice samefag. Nobody is implying they're not studying anatomy either so you can go to sleep without worrying about anons not studying their fundies you autistic fucking crab.

>>3481374
>Multiple people do not agree with me
>Must be samefag!

>>3481374
I'm >>3481270 and >>3481371 but stay delusional with your animays my man. Like I've said, let's see your progress to prove you don't need anatomy to draw anime

>>3481377
not him but nobody has said that learning anatomy/fundies is not necessary to draw anime or whatever , everybody knows that, if anything this thread is about just copying an style to have a understanding of how it works

>>3481374

They don't need to imply anything it is clearly visible when someone is lacking the basics... But you... You are one special silly goose..

>>3481381
>copying
and there lies your fault and the reason many of us keep telling you to stop copying anime.

>>3481383
dude im talking about a specific style let's say space jim , JK, araki not anime in general

>>3481385
The term I highlighted is "Copying" stop copying.

>>3481381

>>3481358
>you can shill your loomis and muh anatomy


>>3481343
>This is a load of shit when you realize there are good jap artists that can't draw realistically

>>3481270
You may need it, but not everyone needs it. This thread isn't focused on making realistic looking art, only anime-looking art. In some cases, that may require some knowledge on real world anatomy but not necessarily. Not all anime or manga uses real world anatomy.

>>3481389
goddamn you're dumb
realism =/= anatomy
Every art involving human body or animals need their proper anatomy regardless if it's stylized or realistic. Anatomy is used as a guideline so you know the structure of the body you're drawing

Pack it up everybody the fundies police are here.

>>3481393

You mean you...

>>3481392
>Every art involving human body or animals need their proper anatomy regardless if it's stylized or realistic. Anatomy is used as a guideline so you know the structure of the body you're drawing
Then explain bkub.

>>3481393
i don't need it lmao

>>3481401

He just did '' even if you have your own style '' it doesn't matter you need Fondation you fool..

>>3481401
the guy knows it's anatomy and proportions and managed to excaggerate it, creating a stylized and chibified character. ONE's art on the other hand is an example of someone who needs to study their fundies more, just like the rest of the anons in the OP pic

>>3481386
so I drew the copies of faces the flat ones all from the front in the op pic
>>3481359
I also drew this I think people should copy what they want to draw like I've also read a lot of anatomy books and I'm also posting the tutorials and telling people about design doll and easy poser
no rules just tools honestly anatomy books can be skimmed through they all sort of say the same thing so there's no reason not to but I feel ignoring a tool like design doll body chan or easy poser and trying to do it all from imagination and building a visual library is silly because japanese artists use figures to draw their illustrations https://youtu.be/sESuWJlWmxM and in manben you see copying photos for manga so I really just don't care much for this idea that fundies are a big deal and copying is wrong

>>3481417
The sooner you learn to not copy from anime and draw exclusively from imagination the sooner you will realize how much damage you've been doing to yourself by copying.

>>3481413
pyw

>>3481417
at let's say you are not me

>>3481421
*least*

>>3481419
what damage am I doing to myself by learning to draw the way I want to draw like

>>3481423
not him but overly dependent on a figurine/design doll will not train you to draw from imagination.

>>3481425
it doesn't need to and I'm not that dependent on it I always sketch up the pose first then use the doll after to make corrections or to change the angle/focal point since the doll is 3d

>>3481423
You learn to deviate away from life drawing by first having a concept of what you're attempting to idealize, in other words you must know the rules before you "break them" and simply copying will not teach you the how and why of the matter.

By deconstructing real world figures and essentially stylizing them by referencing from life you will not only be in a state of critical thinking but at the same time develop your own ideal and approach into taking the first steps towards being independent from copying other artists who already possess the knowledge necessary to idealize and deviate away from real world figures.

Stop copying anime and start learning how to use real world figures in your stylized approach instead.

>>3481420
you want a chibi version or what

>>3481430
>simply copying will not teach you the how and why of the matter.
well no but I'm not simply copying I break it down by proportions seeing how it fits into a circle and drawing it
> develop your own ideal and approach
you can do that by studying your favorite artists it's not like I want to copy them completely just learn from it which is accomplished by copying/studying
>Stop copying anime and start learning how to use real world figures in your stylized approach instead.
I already read books on that and I want to draw more like my favorite artists why would I learn to draw like them first so when I do stylize life it's more like how they would draw it/I want it to look

>>3481443
why wouldn't*

The problem is people itt equate anatomy, proportion and form with realistic style then thinking stylized anime doesn't need any fundies at all so they just straight on copy their favorite artists regardless of any knowledge in fundamentals

>>3481455
I see you're one of those study and never actually draw crabs.

>>3481464
not really famalam but try again

>>3481455
more like crabs think that everyone who wants to draw in anime style has 0 knowledge on their fundies

trying to rely less on refs

>>3481467

>>3481467
overall forms look good but those fuckin hands

>>3481467
How long have you been drawing?

>>3481092
Don't bother, the people here are gonna try to defend tracing by saying "it's what my favorite manga artist did!!"

>>3481471
not sure why i even included that ""sketch""

>>3481500
around 3 years with pauses inbetween

>>3481516
There is literally nothing wrong with tracing to understand how something particular was drawn

>>3481519
like clockwork

This "realistic = good" meme needs to die already.

taken from some other thread
how did I do?

>>3481630
if you were trying to copy kubos art then you failed

>>3481689
>copy kubo's art
not really what I wanted to do
I was just practicing construction by replicating the pose.

If I wanted to copy I would of drawn it upside down etc.

>>3481087
The corners of the mouth make it look like it's upside down, but you're def getting there.

>>3481349
That doesn't even look like anime.

so I guess I just got worse at drawing I must have really made a big mistake oh no I'm a xerox machine I won't make it snibbetysnip

snip

nip

snib

>>3481369
>this isn't what I want to do anyway

>>3481630
The hair looks stiff. It doesn't flow naturally like in the image on the left. You have sharp sudden turns in the hair that you drew, where as the hair on the left curve more gradually. You should also be aware of where the hair is coming from on the character's head. It helps to mark points on her head and draw the strands coming out from those points. Also, your character's left jaw-line is bulging out too far.

>>3481725
Good, good...however it would be a darn shame if someone were to ask you to draw the same character from imagination. Let's see how much you've learned from copying so hop to it buckaroo!

>>3481726
>>3481727
>>3481729
need bigger strokes homie, too much scratching

>>3481748
as you can see it's zoomed out to 14% there would be A TON of room to make clean strokes if it were more than a study
>>3481746
I could do it and I could make webms of that too maybe tomorrow or throughout the week it really doesn't matter but the point for me is to draw a charming character somewhat like that and I'm going to study other fantasy characters so should I do it to prove a point or should I you know do what I want to do

>>3481746
PYW and kill yourself for still avatarfagging.

>>3481717
Yeah thanks for your critiques, for the mouth I actually try to emulate very specific cuvie's lips like pic related, this kind of moist thin-lipstick mouth but I guess I just don't understand how to draw that yet

These are just samefag baiting over and over right, assumptions that weeb who draw cute animu grills don't practice fundamentals (anatomy/perspectice/lighting/whatever) or real life drawings and just straight up tracing from models is retarded

>>3481764
You must have learned a whole lot by copying other artists! By now you must have an entire library of original designs and concepts, please by all means put all that learned knowledge from copying to use. I'm sure it would be a cinch for someone who has copied to the extent you have to draw from scratch. I especially liked how you kept going over the lines to give that hairy line effect it really shows an attention to detail, very bold and brash!

>>3481771
Yes, dumb crabs are upset people are drawing and not doing the exact same shit as them.

>>3481775
quality post crab also if you don't know what a rough sketch is why bother posting in a study thread. Why don't you show your work while you're at it and no I haven't done that many studies or even draw that much but I kind of want to do you think I'm a pro or that I want to rush into this or "make it" snipsnib because I just want to draw

>>3481725
lol with that attitude yeah you definitely wont make it

>>3481783
stop chicken scratching

>>3481729
>>3481727
>>3481726
We really don't need a webm of your chicken scratch

Just report and ignore.

>>3481785
>>3481795
rough sketches sure do need to be clean for the end result to look nice hmmm snip >>3481147

>>3480338
Here's a really crude one. One's japanese the other is korean.
>korean isn't western
It's western enough for me

>>3481807
comparing the lines you chicken scratched to the sketch of an artist who understands form is laughable lmfao
just look at the line quality in the shit you compared it to its completely different

>>3481807
>comparing his work with an expert
holy fuck mr. krueger you're hilarious

>>3481795
>don't post work in a board dedicated to critique
fuck off

>>3481812
>>3481813
tell me why his lines are so much cleaner than mine I know they are but you crabs sure are setting some ridiculous standards

pack up the thread bois if you make one flaw for a crab to snip at it's over for you're sketch and you shouldn't bother posting

>>3481808
VLD is made for a western audience hence the faux anime style. Being korean has nothing to do with it. Pic related it's made by a korean

>>3481815
because he uses larger strokes like I said, stop chicken scratching

>>3481823
it's a sketch it doesn't really matter you clean them up later >>3481172 like here look how long that takes should I do that for a study just because you want to see clean lines

>>3481814
>>3481815
Maybe if you're open minded in learning fundies then we'll be glad to help. You usage of crabs is also wrong.

>tell me why his lines are so much cleaner than mine
He knows his form and anatomy

>>3481518
damn, nice
what'd you do practice wise? just draw cute girls?

>>3481808
If you're gonna use voltron as an example how about try finding an anime that at least looks closer to it.

>>3481828
not only does chicken scratching look like shit its also a bad habit that makes refining your lineart more difficult and also inhibits your ability to learn form.

>>3481829
you aren't helping at all or even trying to help you're just saying stop chicken scratching which I know how to do and have plenty of room to do in a sketch that is 14% that size that you see it you're just asking for cleaner strokes without considering anything else that is the first thing I drew today post your work and stop being useless

>>3481828
Just study your fundies dude and take it like a man. Stop with the mindless copy 'cause it's painfully obvious that you lack fundies

>>3481833
>>3481844
if you don't even watch the process of a pro and see that it takes him 10x as long to clean up his sketch as it does to make his sketch then why post I am taking it like a man and I'm trying to stop the useless crabbing

>thread is about drawing manga/anime specifically
>thread shitters come to tell people to learn fundies and loomis heads as though the advice was at all unique and hasn't been repeated ad nauseam on this board for years.

>>3481846
Those anons are trying to help you, and I agree with them on their critiques. If you're going to keep getting defensive and upset when people are out to help you, you're not gonna get far (i.e. NGMI).

>>3481850
telling someone to stop chicken scratch is the same as telling them to do loomis heads now

the absolute state

>>3481837
I can't post work because i'm on mobile rn but sure what work do you want to see from me?

If anatomy books are too overwhelming for you atm go to the artbook thread and download >>3475394. You may find this easier to follow

>>3481850
Don't give them (You)s.

>>3481854
You're just repeating the same shit over and over and crowding up the thread with garbage that doesn't have anything to do with the prompt. Like, thanks for the advice. Now fuck off.

>>3481865
and youre crowding up the thread with your retarded responses instead of just accepting criticism and moving on

>>3481865
Just take the fundies advice dude holy shit. It's not a meme just because it's regularly used as a shitpost. You won't get to draw your cute girls if you don't study. Stop calling everyone crabs we're giving you valid criticism

>>3481857
I can do it to now show me some hair some clothes how about full body >>3481853 how is saying chicken scratch helpful https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvLmE_opaS8&t=0s&index=25&list=LLs3VhFOTytIn49vITGtdxkQ this is how I'd like to draw it's not fast at all and his sketch takes 3 minutes his linework 18 at whatever speed it's at If I want the linework to be good on whatever I'm drawing I'm damn well not gonna call it done at 30 minutes

If you don't want criticism and discussion go post your art on /i/ where people will lick your asshole and give you a juicebox

>>3481867
>he thinks I'm the webmanon and not just some normal guy who's fed up with his shit

>>3481857
hey, thanks
>>3481875
do you live on the east coast

>>3481829
>Maybe if you're open minded in learning fundies


Fuck off already summer kid. Everyone already understands they need to study other things as well you could be drawing instead of this shitposting.

>>3481874
nigga look at how fuckin big his strokes are you must be retarded

>>3481878
i do live on the east coast howd you know

>>3481875
Have you considered that maybe your advice is shit?

>>3481875
>>3481867
>>3481871

>LMAO FUNDIES DUDE

Yeah real nice criticism faggot.

>>3481886
telling people to gain line confidence is shit advice now?

t h e a b s o l u t e s t a t e

>>3481874
Sure. Will post later i'm at work right now but try to at least skim through the link I gave you. Gdamn it's really hard to type on mobile

>>3481890
lol
calm
down
(it's not a good sign if your typing style is recognizable in different threads)

>>3481884
east coast artists are notorious for being complete assholes in their critiques

thank you for fulfilling a stereotype

>>3481899
god i would love to see you link me to other posts you THINK i wrote

>>3481831
>>3481808
If there's one thing I can say about voltron is that the artist place alot of emphasis on the shape of their hair and head rather than their facial features. Look how triangular keith's head is in comparison to the rounder oriental faces.

>>3481879
>retarded
>it's his stroke size not the 6 extra hours spent on it
anon I have some news for you and you might not want to hear it

>>3482014
was not remotely talking about the skill level i was solely talking about line quality. you can draw for 30 seconds and still utilize large strokes. time has nothing to do with that so i'm not really sure what you mean?

Is the art throughout this article good? Personally, I'm not a big fan but all the comments are very positive it makes me wonder. I like the very final image though, of the crying girl.

https://www.craftsy.com/art/article/drawing-manga-tips/

>>3482022
It's shit. If you honestly had to ask you need to seriously take into consideration that normies do not know any better and are a cancer.

>>3482022
It's /beg/ tier, literally newbie try to teach newbies kek..

>>3482022
lmao no
Everything you need is posted free in YouTube and in the artbook thread

I drew these for a thread on /a/ using a ballpoint pen with no rough drafting. I request critique.
https://catbox.moe/c/nnq67z

>>3481874
Your particularly violent chicken-scratch, autistically defensive attitude, inability to listen to people's advice, weird pseudo silhouette drawing method and the fact you link this specific video really reminds me of one of my artfriend that went AWOL for some reason. But you can't possibly be him since you use sai. R-right?

Come join /las/ if you want to grind fundies with other /las/sies. Pic related, not mine but one of the lassies in there

>>3480171
There's a number of reasons.
Animation is less expensive to do in the east because there's a standard of unfair wages and overworking animators there. The same budget would get more work in japan.
Japan has years and years of experience creating anime that the west just doesn't have.
There's nowhere in the west to properly learn how to draw anime since we have no masters of the style here.

tldr the west just doesn't have the opportunities to create good looking anime

>>3482115
>joining a group that encourages mindless doodling for the sake of doodling to inhibit progress.

Fuck off crab.

>>3482125
post work

>>3482022
it looks like what would happen if you took all those "how to draw anime" books that were published in the mid 00s even remotely seriously
>>3482091
#1 pose is way too stiff; arms and hands look as though they're folding in on themselves

#2 actually draw the limbs ffs; not even instagram models whose bodies are in a perpetual state of anterior pelvic tilt can move their elbows like that; also head as large as torso--is this intentional stylization? because it seems like you like to spend a lot of time on that. I'm unfamiliar with Idolm@ster tbqh so idk

#3 same concerns as beforer; not sure what's going on with that dress however

#4 cute; work on the hands and feet; just because they're not necessarily visible doesn't mean the information shouldn't be there

#5 this type of perspective is the bane of everyone's existence; she's supposed to be leaning forward but her torso gives no indication of the action. at least that's what I would think seeing a head so disproportionately big

#6 better job handling with perspective; her right forearm, tho

>>3482125
You don't want to get as good as this guy?

Studies of my favorite artist Asanagi.
I was trying to not just copy but draw more in my fluid. Thoughts?

>>3482151
pretty ok
now do it 15+ more times in different angles to improve muscle memory and construction

>>3482095
All I use is sai so probably not him

>>3482140
Thank you for your honest critique. I tried the best I could in a timely matter. Some parts are messy because I messed up but didn't feel like starting over; others are just honest mistakes. I'll try my best to improve in the areas that I failed at.

>>3481092
you do realize these neets will never learn from real life because they never go outside, right?

Where's the form? Where's the construction or gesture or any of those other things always mentioned.

>>3482312
Yo dawg I gonna need the source for that

>>3482312
do you really think experienced artists need to draw construction for every single drawing?
they draw it in their head. i mean, its not thought of that way but that's how it works.
same as for any other stylized art or realistic art by artists who are very experienced

>>3482312
>wheres the form
form is the 3 dimensionality of an object. its right there! the artist has a grasp of it and doesn't need to draw construction lines or gesture

>>3482318
I really don't think this is the case because every jap process drawing I've seen so far starts with these shitty looking lines instead of anything you'd see in a western book.

>>3482312
tfw sketch phase looks more appealing than the final product.

>>3482321
Post example? Or explain further what you mean by shitty lines

Holy shit why is this thread so fast now. It was like 20-30 posts a day max. Oh right.

>>3482312
>>3482318
He might be drawing that with a body chan on his desk or ref somewhere offscreen I think it's all on the page he changes the sketch that's enough construction in my opinion

>>3482271

Yep I'm starting to realize why people don't post their work here..

But even if they don't go outside they can use their own body as reference when they don't have the right pose for their characters

But then again i won't even bother at this point.. I realize they are so close minded and arrogant.. Why bother..

>>3482321
>>3482312
Like >>3482318 and >>3482320 have said, the artist already knows their fundies so the gesture and other details on the sketch are no longer drawn as it's already visualized in his head. Take a look at KJG for example, he used to sketch on pencil first back on his early days but now he's directly drawing using a permanent brush pen.
There are no shortcuts dude, you need to grind yo fundies before being able to git gud like the jap artists

>>3481857
Thanks for the link
Can you post a chibi and a normal proportioned one?

>>3482177
don't think like you failed, anon; doodles like that offer great practice. college-level figure/still life drawing courses typically do warmups with progressively longer time intervals (some lasting like thirty seconds--forcing the artist to get comfortable with long strokes and stop doing chicken scratch) so it really seems like that's what you did here, albeit unintentionally

keep at it!

>>3482360
Don't beg for free art

>>3482312
sauce??

>>3479667
Hair study.

>>3482151
You gotta draw the body too my weeb. Drawing Asanagi's thicc thighs and butt are a must when doing studies of his style. Gotta get that bloomer action going my dude. Don't be scared.

>>3481865
Bro you sound insecure because you know you should be studying fundamentals alongside anime and you aren't. Do both it isn't hard

>>3481874
damn dude use some commas or periods. Your post is a mess

>>3482325
Shit like this

https://youtu.be/02iX51bCB-w?t=87

>>3482151
cheek is too pronounced.

>>3482652
I don’t see how the lines are shitty it just looks like his way of finding the form/structure

>>3482767
So chicken scratch is just a tool to find form?

>>3482891
What do you think chicken scratch is lol

https://youtu.be/w4lswmssPFE?t=3

Just what the fuck is that rough draft? Should I be drawing random lines everywhere too

>>3482916
>what /ic/ thinks
/ic/ doesn't think

>>3482908
if it helps you with your form, well yeah. its not a particularly....aesthetically pleasing habit. but i don't see how its a problem. loomis isn't the sole way to create construction/work with volume. that artist didn't just scribble all over the page, those lines meant something that might not translate to the viewer especially since we didn't see him make that rough draft

>>3482916
this

>>3482930
>loomis isn't the sole way to create construction/work with volume.
a-are you telling me /ic/ has been lying to me???

>>3482916
theyre both cases of chicken scratching lol

>>3482966
Unironically kill yourself crab.

>>3482966
the absolute state

>>3482949
/ic/ isn't lying to you. its just loomis has a really like...ubiquitous way of construction. its easily digestible for new artists. but as most artists gain experience they develop their own way of construction (or form building or measurement, whatever you want to call it)

How about you sois just draw anime instead of arguing with each other

>>3482991

It's not about arguing its about evolution
You can draw all you want without understanding the human body u are fucked.

>>3482981
love kids, must be fun being new and young huh?

>>3482997
you got a point
my post is mostly directed to that defensive anon who keeps reeeeing crab at everyone

Can you cancerous fucks make a single post without spewings memes?

>>3483027
It's summer.

>>3483041
deep

>>3483027
Loomis fundies form it's not chicken scratch if a pro did it crab you shouldn't use design doll or a figure even if a pro does it stop copying anime in an anime study thread every mangaka studied from real life first are there any other memes these are getting stale summer is the time for new memes

>>3483321
>The pros are doing it wrong! You have to do it my way and suffer with me!

more posting, less shitposting

>>3483321
did anon have a stroke while writing this

>>3483620
if you were studying like a specific image then my bad, but these are some thoughts i have about your sketch

-cute outfit
-watch the curve of the spine, having the back bent like that can look hot, but if you push it too far then it's gonna look like she just has a really long stomach
-when drawing eyes, it can help to draw guidelines on the head that follow the curve of the face, so that you don't have one eye drooping lower than the other
-stage right arm is a little too short and the hands are reaaally tiny (tho that could just be a stylistic thing, a lot of anime styles go for really tiny hands fsr)

>>3483321

Such denial go on my boy go the fuck on...

>>3482271
bullshit you can draw real life from your room. Why risk it going outside when you can peep out the window, not worth it I know what they are up to.

>>3481270
this pic really helped me, thanks.

>>3481725
so I started cleaning it up a tiny bit

>>3482916
The webm is literally the one on the right, though

>>3483824
you are correct

>>3482312
oh you meant THIS webm
no its fucking not LMFAO

>>3482115
>>3482143
Who are these two?

>>3483824
you are wrong

>>3483828
No, not this webm, the chicken scratching one by anon

>>3483897
oh then yes, yes you are right

>>3481857
>>3481893
anon didn't deliver

>>3483814
eyes are too small.

>>3484105
Give him a chance at least he drew something 3 months ago he's probably better too by now

>>3484310
>at least he drew something 3 months ago
what? The guy never posted any of his work. Those are from twitter

>>3484362
post the link that's really sad and misleading

>>3481874
>>3481893
>>3484105
>>3484370
>tfw I forgot I made the promise
Here it is. It's not obviously the best out there and it's not completely polished but my main point is that figure and anatomy studies are important if you want to draw different types of bodies, whether it's stylized or realistic.

>>3482360
4 heads chibi and a smaller 2 head-sized

>>3484370
I didn't imply that >>3481857 or >>3481270 is mine, sorry if it looked misleading. It's how images in twitter mobile works when you save them

>>3484471
cute megane

>>3484477
dude feets can't face the opposite direction of the knees

>>3484536
yea I just noticed that
my bad f am

Double page

Fuck the other picture above is flipped didn't realize that.. Oh well..

>>3484632
It looks like you're hatching for the sake of hatching instead of implying any kind of form.

>>3484638
I tried to recreate the type shading in children's book with spooky monsters i thought hatching would do the trick.. It seems I failed

>>3484627
Neat. Is this from imagination

>>3484655

Yep story boards for my chapter.

How do you draw realistic shit?

>>3484739
Realistic anime?

>>3484477
Why must you do this to me anon?
This is so cute...

>>3484739
You study from life, silly

>>3482312
pros outgrow the need for construction

>>3484739
Wrong thread.

>>3484632
And that's it for tonight I will post the entire chapter inked to have your thoughts on it.

>>3479667
every time i come to this thread

>>3485247
kek saved

>>3485247

That

>>3485247
Lmao, what the fuck is this originally from?

>>3485247
Man, /ic/ has some fantastic memes

>>3485212

>>3485258
Some autistic sperg we got into an argument with in the previous thread.

>>3484471
>>3484477
This is really cute

>>3485247
Weebs BTFO.

>>3485308
You're in a weeb thread on a weeb site.

>>3485247
I like how the bigger and stronger bird is saying stop shilling while the onions bird is fundies it's like chad and the virgin

>>3485323
Everyone knows that the loudest guy in the room is also the weakest.

Are there any art books that TRIGGER studio released that can be downloaded?

>>3485769
There's a bunch of Yoh Yoshinari artbooks and art of LWA on the artbook thread

>>3483640
the redline has much more consistent proportions and alignment of features, but I feel like the life and gesture of the original was killed in the process.

>>3484471
>>3484477
really dig this, what brush do you use?

>>3485769
They have some documentaries https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba55wWnEn3s

I bet /ic/ would call this chicken scratching.

>>3479877
What is this about? 3 hours of tracing? https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=557&v=P3jRXj-KlwM

r8 my goddess

>>3486694
a bunch of :re has been scribbles mang. just because it looks textured doesnt mean it isnt brainless

Study I did of some OPM Murata. If you’re gonna study weeb shit, might as well make sure it’s a great artist right?

>>3486694
Not really. The artist obviously has good line control and good forms. Chicken scratching refers to the beginner's mistake of scribbling a line in jerky, hairy, inaccurate strokes, like picrelated, usually because they're drawing from the wrist and they haven't trained their line control and hand-eye coordination.

>>3486985
cryin' out loud

>>3486981

Have some confidence in your lines..
You're trying to emulate good for you but those shaky lines are weird mate

You suppose you did no construction for this.. That would explain this..

>>3486950
8/10

So I picked up a course from Udemy because it had a discount(9.99usd from 194.99usd) which was neat.
Pic was from the 1st module homework and we're supposed to redraw it by the end of the course.
Please r8

>>3487027
You’re supposed to finish it before asking for rates.

>>3487027
Anon, please tell it's not this one:
udemy.com/manga-art-school-anime-and-manga-style-character-drawing

>>3487027
>Udemy
Oh no

>>3487031
Just wanted first impressions hahaha. This is pretty much how I draw as of now.

>>3487033
I-it is

>>3487027
>maybe if i give someone money ill be good at draw

>>3487033
Oh wait no it's actually the Character Art School: Complete Character Drawing

>>3487044

>>3479877
I'm really enjoying the DokiDoki Drawing Youtube Channel. A lot of the series are great, the comment sections are golden.

People should be grinding fundies, however, I believe you should do this alongside drawing manga/anime style if that is your end-game. You will not only be practicing the fundamentals, but if you still draw in the style you want, you will still have fun.

A lot of how-to draw manga books aren't really there to teach you anatomy, and perspective, so you should still look to traditional methods for that. They're to teach you what proportions make the anime style. Similar with tracing, it's a tool to teach your hand to recognize proportions. It is basically character design at that point.

Old stuff and now I can see all the mistakes I was so blind Jesus.. Hopefully will redraw this piece of shit.. But not now not until my chapter is complete.

>>3487013
Post your linework

>>3486950
>colors all over the place
>chicken scratch lines
>hatching for the sake of hatching
>hair has no form
5/10, still a cute girl

>>3487088
can you elaborate on the hair?

>>3487095
Usually when drawing hair, you try to block them in basic shapes first instead of jumping in, trying to draw individual strands. This one looks like you just placed random jagged lines for her hair
is this your OC? if not can I see the reference this came from?

>>3487104
sure thing. I didn't do shapes, but I also don't feel like i did random lines or tried to do individual strands. I think its more of redrawing lines on top of each other repeatedly due to inaccuracy.

>>3487117
try to do cleaner lines next time
Right now it looks really messy

>>3487085

Alright!

Do you like all the studies in one pic or want something else? Should we add or remove some links in the op? What could we change to make a better thread next time?

>>3487176

Less arrogance would be a good start when people face criticism or advices about the foundies but who am i kidding..

>>3481901
What about Midwest artists?

>>3485923
this one
https://assets.clip-studio.com/en-us/detail?id=1695958
and some other brushes made by the same user

>>3487270
can't say there is one tbqh

midwestern artists can't be bothered to actually critique in the first place because they don't know what they want

it's the midwest; when you're not perusing mcmansion blighttowns you're too busy being a depressed neet

I remember /ic/ had a fascination with "outsider art" for a couple months so if there was any room for self projection..

no I was ostensibly speaking from an academic perspective and so with most of the college-level professors I had (Kansas City) critiques offered about as much depth as a hugbox at times

didn't personally have anyone literally tear apart my work(s) or let alone berate me for defending them or anything but w/e

>>3487085

Anon I did post my line work why are you silent...

>>3487176
It's fine as it is.

>>3487176
Having all of them in one OP is nice, let people have a grasp at the level of /ast/.

>>3487297
not the guy who asked for your linework, but I am the original poster of the image.
Thanks for your crit bro, I know I gotta work on line control and confidence; you know any exercises for that?

Is it study like study fundies or study like try to copy a picture? What are you guys doing?

new thread when

>>3487392

Two things my friend :

Practice (exercise like drawing circle and forms over and over again to gain confidence) you have to train your brain and your hand

Construction / anatomy yeah yeah I know it's Anime thread but Jesus without those basics nothing can be achieved even Murata uses references when you watch his streamings there no shame in that

Thanks mate it was a good exercice to draw tatsumaki

>>3487462
/ic/ is slow, so there's no rush.

>>3487176
>Do you like all the studies in one pic
Yes, it's nice.

>Should we add or remove some links in the op? What could we change to make a better thread next time?
There is already that pdf, two good fundamental books recommended, and videos about drawing form in the OP. This thread got messy since people on both sides think that people studying anime are never going to touch the fundamentals even though that idea contradicts what's in the OP.

>>3487297
>>3487244
Stop abusing ellipses summer child

some oc heads. whadaya think

>>3487774
back to beg

>>3487774
I'd read your comic/manga.

>>3487771

I do whatever I want boy!

new thread?

>>3488003
Make one.

>>3487774
Is that egoraptor

>>3488029
new thread >>3488037
new thread >>3488037
new thread >>3488037
new thread >>3488037

>>3480652
Dont be gay. Take that shit attitude back to where ever you came from