/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stanislav Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

Yesterday
>Drew for 4 hours, legitimately addicted and didn't want to stop
Today
>Don't want to even think about drawing

Is this a bad habit?

What is this and how do I get rid of it?

>want to put in a drawing today
>want to learn cute anime girls
>take mechanical pencil and get ready to copy some pictures
>suddenly freeze
>full of doubt
>what angle is that line?
>how do i make it turn out right?
>notice the subtle shake my hand has and wonder how it will effect the drawing
>afraid of trying to copy this cute picture and mangling it instead
>...like I usually do

>>3464140
Yes.

>>3464167
Don't worry about any of that and just draw it. Do it quickly and full of errors if it gets you to finish. Now what kind of cute anime girls are you into? Asanagi? Houtengeki?

>>3464140
You won't always have the motivation to do something. That is where discipline comes in, which is a much better skill to learn and master for everything in your life.

>>3464172
I dunno man. Something pleasing to the eye. I like Made in Abyss because it's cute and the artist is a genius.

https://youtu.be/qpqEE9yU474

I drew along to this art instructor's lesson on basic forms. I feel like I learned a lot. I decided I needed to start completely from the basics because I realized I didn't even know how to draw a decent cube or sphere. I didn't learn how to draw a cylander/egg shape until I watched this video.

I think I might have finally found a learning method that will work for me. I prefer to draw/copy along with the instructor while he's teaching in "real time" instead of reading and copying from a book. It feels almost like the beginning drawing class I took in college.

I's still going to draw what I want but I'm going to try to squeeze at least an hour of video a day from this guy to count as my "studies" for now. Along with some life drawing on the side.

>>3464140
It's best to draw at least something every day even if you don't feel like it. Then if you feel like it draw some more.

>>3464111
OH BOY
OH BOY
I REALLY FEEL LIKE IVE MADE PROGRESS NOW

>>3464167
Line confidence comes with practice so don't worry too much about it if you can't get it the first time round.

You will definitely want to practice drawing in Loomis' or Krenz's or vilppu's style and practice drawing poses from photos of models if you want to do anything other than directly copy existing art, though.

>>3464172
you anon

Wwhat? That’s my self portrait in the OP pic.

>>3464216
>loobis

I actually like him a ,ot

>>3464265
when i made that post i genuinely just hit that page, now ill learn skills to make a body to go along with my heads. it has taken me four fucking months to get to this point in the book

>>3464263
2nd attempt.

Ask next time if you want to use my work.

>>3464268
Wow, very nice work on those heads! How long did you practice Loomis per day on average in those 4 months?

>>3464271
at least an hour a day and usually longer but i hadn't been keeping track of time. it takes me about 20-30 minutes per blook and i did seven so far today

>>3464270
Thats not how this works

>>3464287
Nice

>>3464167
>ready to copy some pictures
I located your problem.

Been working my way through "how to draw" and it's killing me. I'll grind for an hour or so copying exercises and taking mad notes, ensuring that I truly understand the concepts. Then I just dont look at it for a week and forget it all. I would just like to be able to draw a fucking car by the end of it. What is a good way to practice perspective IRL? WHen i go out and draw buildings, I can't exactly place the vanishing points on my paper. At home, drawing boxes I feel like I have the same issue where nothing is foreshortened enough to really place any vanishing points on the page. Lets not even talk about cubes in space that aren't rotated nicely along the y axis (top to bottom of page). How do you even draw cubes that are rotated along the z or x axis?

All in all my skills are improving surely but slowly, but perspective is just fucking my titties. What do?

>>3464322
Just keep going. It takes a very long time for drawing concepts to stick. That's the price paid for wanting to be good when you're unable to draw at all.

>>3464322
I can't quite grasp how you don't understand perspective. Did you watch any of the videos that are linked at the back of the book? Perspective in that book is really easy, the most difficult part is probably projecting holes into solids, the spiral staircase, and mirroring tilted planes but it's got a mechanical process you follow. If you can't place the vps on your paper, you guess and do your best to be consistent. Don't be afraid to use a rule to draw guidelines.

im getting ready to draw
give me some space cause im getting ready to draw
get up out of my face cause im getting ready to draw
dont have time for what you're talking about cause im getting ready to draw

IMMA DRAW

>>3464311
All learning of drawing is copying. Every great artist starting by copying their master. Tell me to do Loomis or Villpu and I'll have to copy them. It all depends what you want to become.

Is copying really bad? I tried copying Kentaro Miura once and it made me instantly better just because I was able to see what he was doing and I never thought of doing.

>>3464368
All mastery is copying when you are learning from someone like a teacher or superior. Copy who you want to be like. Do your best to learn from them and do it a lot. This is how we all learn.

>>3464368
Mindlessly copying is counterproductive.

jesus christ you cant simplify something as complex as the pelvis with just a box, no wonder all my drawings are shit

>>3464268
>four months

>>3464374
I use a cylinder with both ends cut at an angle.

>>3464374
The box is not a replacement for the pelvis.

>>3464374
japs only use 3 lines anon

>>3464374
Well, you actually can. You use the box only for the most basic understanding for the space a pelvis takes up. Draw the box knowing the pelvis fits those dimensions and no further. It's very simplified but this is how visualizing works.

First you show where it is, then you show how tall it is, hoe wide it is, and how much depth it has. This forms a cube which gives you parameters that you cannot exceed, but are free to work inside of as you need to.

>>3464373
What about mindfully copying?

>>3464391
Literally how to get good in the fastest way.

>>3464391
how do you mindfully copy?

>>3464416
Not him, but I think he means that you try understand why the artist did what he did as you copy

>>3464189
Made in Abyss -- the instant you try to draw something that isn't a 1:1 copy you're probably going to still want a lot of vilppu style gestures (download the vilppu drawing manual from libgen and draw in that style with lineofaction or similar websites) and I like to use krenz for anatomy (just search krenz anatomy) and I copy a simplified version of that for my drawing studies. After human beans you're probably going to want to draw lots of hands. After that, you're probably going to want someone who does cute furry ears.

A lot of people did MiA heads and posted on sketchfab so you can use that for angle refs.

How do I get good at designing characters?

>>3464437
Hey thanks anons. I feel like that was all pretty sincere and honest so I will check out what you just told me.

In all honesty I want to draw cute anime girls nut I also want to draw with the practical skill that Kim Jung Gi displays. Small core skills with hard core ability. I literally want to be the very best that no none ever was. And it sucks even aiming for that.

>>3464455
fill this in
think about who they are and what their occupation is
look at existing characters
make their silhouette recognizeable. if you line them up with a bunch of characters from a similar genre/similar build and think they look the same then chances are you've done it wrong. experiment with different facial features/expressions and apply them. Learn colour theory.

>>3464486
If ya want super lining ability according to master Feng it comes from confidence and practice so don't get too demoralised if you can't get flawless lines straight up, if you have a tablet lots of peeps ctrl+z fugloads of times so yeah and if you watch nips stream sometimes they'll line their work like four times to get the best linework.

One thing you can do with traditional is use a blue pencil underneath your actual linework and photoshop that out after you've scanned (there are guides online for this). Also erasing works but be careful not to tear the paper. Some people like putty erasers.

Anyway if you want to draw like someone make sure you have their stuff open in the background and just continuously refer to it and try and copy it precisely.

Traditional does have a difficulty multiplier. So you probably won't be able to draw like digital peeps even if you have some super trad skills because with digital flipping is easy (to check for asymmetry), copying paste/resize things is easy and liquifying is also easy (so for example I was working on someone's commission and I ruined the line but I couldn't get a line better than that, using liquify I mnipulated in PS the trajectory of the line without redoing it). There is also vector lineart where you can manipulate the points making up the linework AFTER you put it down, for example in SAI's inking layer where you can adjust points.

Although imagination drawing is super duper impossible tier it does get easier although you are never ever without references so, nips can use stuff like design doll which also has stuff like perspective, CSP's built in human models, DAZ (also human models) or actually figurines like bodykun.

If you end up going digital, stabilisers is not cheating tho.

you know what i want /ic/

>>3464531
How did you get worse!?

>>3464532
in what way(s) did i get worse?

>>3464531
Try not to draw the whole lip outline, it just looks awful

>>3464533
If i were you i would try learning the fundamentals. You lack in perspective and forms as far as i can tell.
Let's take your eye for example. The form is roundish try to build the lid around that.
What i've done in paint is really crudish and should just give you an idea. So i try not to be a crab

>>3464494
This is moreso for writers. You can fill all this in and still be shit at visual language.

The second half of your post is alright , despithe the "spewing info" style of writing.

>>3464547
well i aspire to paint, values (which arent present YET), create the perspective and forms that the line work doesnt.

>>3464541
yeah i noticed lips are really hard to draw with just outlines

>>3464167
Sketch lightly with your pencil, go over the drawing in pen when it looks good. If you're really scared of messing up a good sketch, throw another paper on and practice tracing. Scott Robertson agrees except for the pencil part, and well, you're drawing ultra-simplified cute anime girls, not dense cars with a million construction lines.

>>3464552
how does he do it with just lines? must be some kinda wizard

>>3464416
1. (try to) read
2. copy
3. draw it from a different angle
4. read

>>3464581
no just an understanding of forms

>>3464270
>he wants to be featured again

>>3464270
The first thing the 4chan rules tell you is that by posting an image on here you forfeit literally all rights of ownership of it.
In other words, this is no longer you drawing, it's Hiroyuki's.

>>3464586
kek

>>3464112
>http://drawabox.com
>Controversial
what?

>>3464581
not trying to trying to be typical overly eric-defensive here but those aren't THAT much form defining than what i have (will be sure to include going forward). sure for the side profiles i lacked defining the bottom eyelid but for the strait on (2nd row center in your pic) pretty much everything is there, the tear duct, crease where the eyelid folds, the line showing the ridge for the lower eyelid (hard to see in the pic i posted above because of smaller image size), etc. and desu that particular eye still looks fairly 'flat' in terms of curvature anyways.

anyways pic related is starting to defining the 3d forms and would typically be about 25% in. feel free to point out any obvious flaws with the process so far. but ill just say current values are subject to change later on

>>3464600
>>http://drawabox.com
>>Controversial
>what?
it only scratches the basic parts of perspective. It's useless if you don't study on your own

>>3464600
The only videos from this guy you should watch is his environment stuff. His env stuff is really good, the drawabox shit is basically pointless, well I suppose you could use the advanced perspective stuff but frankly 3D software is much easier to use as a ref (for a commission I did I just modelled the structure quickly in 3D before drawing that.)

>>3464602

>>3464613
just fucking wait until you see what it looks like whats its finished then we'll see whos the derper

>>3464613
he's absolutely hopeless

>>3464602
Reminds me of that picture example for symbol drawing in the sticky

Not a good sign

>>3464622
jesus shit
>about 25% in.
can you not read

>>3464602
A flaw with the process is jumping to different steps before having the foundation right. Turd polishing etc

is there a more efficient way to colour in csp than just using a brush? this was my first time trying colouring since i started drawing digitally 2 days ago and i'm very aware it looks terrible but when i was using the brush to colour i couldn't get a consistent strength to it.

also any tips for layers when colouring? all i am aware of so far is to put the skin colour on the bottom layer and colour over it.

it really seems like a lot of work colouring, maybe i should just learn to draw first lmao

>>3464623
Here is the thing though, if you're building on top of wonky fundamentals the finished piece is going to be flawed regardless the only thing you can do now is start over and make sure everything seems right before you proceed.

>>3464602
keep (re)copying those eye bargue plates, no matter how good you are

>>3464625
>maybe i should just learn to draw first lmao
this

>>3464624
>>3464627
are you guys literally saying this is going to end up complete ass based off the bad drawing and what i have so far and i should restart? if so, may i get a redline on the sketches? ill probably redo those bangs plates as well. i did those before i even started with digital

>>3464608
>>3464611
Isn't it just dynamic sketching anyways?

>>3464635
meant to incude you in this >>3464651
too

>>3464625
you can make do with paintschainer until you get your drawing up to snuff

>>3464656
I mean, /beg/ is for fundamental exercises, as stated in the OP. We like seeing fundies because not doing them is bad.

>>3464660
what does have to do with that i said?

>>3464661
keep copying those eye plates

What's the point of copying if I forget it after 2 days?

>>3464695
Why not draw more than every other day?

>>3464671
okay but should i quit the piece above? can someone redline the other sketches?

>>3464695
Try drawing the thing you were trying to copy instead.

Last two hours or so ive been trying to draw the mouth. Pic is each mouth i drew one right after the other trying to understand form. And i wanted to try to do some basic shading now but ive got zero clue how to shade a form. I can control pen pressure pretty well but just don't fully get how the shadows fall on forms.

>>3464602
I wanted to try a portrait from imagination too. I'm not as good but I thought it would be fun to try anyway.

>>3464823
Do a mouth in 3/4 view.

>>3464824
Her eyes are way too close together.

>>3464823
>but just don't fully get how the shadows fall on forms.
google shit like "shading practice drawing" and find out
maybe open a book (9/10 listed in the sticky cover lighting, good luck)

>>3464823
Can you imagine how you might shade a cube? How the light would fall on it?

Imagine the lips as being made of separate planes, a bunch of polygons for every part facing a different direction. Just like a loomis head, I think it's way easier to imagine how light would fall on an object this way.

>>3464830
I have thats how i know i dont get it that well im obviously not gonna just not research shit myself

How did I do?

i draw sometimes

Doing some practice with perspective, and landscaping.

The whole measuring angles with my pencil thing has been really helpful so far.
I couldn't really figure out how to do the arching rock formations :/

It feels shitty not being able to do the most basic of artistic things.

>>3464898
You should feel shitty for that. Taking a clear picture is an essential artistic skill to learn.

Trying to continue with what i did last time. >>3464823

Also tried to do 3/4 view like whoever asked while also trying to shade. New to the whole shading thing so i get its bad but help still wanted

>>3464933

>>3464933
draw what you see, anon. it's very difficult to be able to guess what actual reference you used because it looks like none of them.
but it's important to draw what you're looking at and not simply just look at it briefly and then use your brain for the rest.
I'd recommend keys actually, the first few tasks you get would really help and explain this

>>3464945
oh i did i was using my own mouth and a hand mirror so i guess it was a bit of a wired angle plus there was some stuff wrong with it that i could see thanks to the guy above you who gave some pretty good reference (those aren't mine)

Would love some critique on this
>inb4 unfinished polished turd

>>3464933

>>3464377
i figure that was too fucking long but every attempt i have to speed up bothers me too much to continue. the only objective way i can tell i am doing it correctly is accuracy but i know as well i am supposed to be thinking of the face as shapes which i am not sure if i am doing, unless loomis show his steps where i can clearly see shapes

>>3464608
thast not it you chiump. people hate it because the creator isnt dave rapoza levels of good so they discredit it

>>3464635
Are copying bargue plates actually useful? Are these plates suppose to teach you to internalize proportions or become better at rendering?

>>3465017
They are idealized forms with a large scale of values.

I WANT TO MAKE IT I WANT TO MAKE IT

>>3465078
Holy shit, how did you paint such an amazing tower?

>>3464992
please will someone tell me if this is a good pace? am i wasting time? would i ever be able to make animations if it takes me 30 fucking minutes just to make a mediocre head? should i try redoing exercises with a goal of speed?

>>3465099
I unironically thought you were trolling when you said you've been doing blooks for four months daily.
If these are from imagination then you clearly made some gains in that time, gains that'll definitely carry over into other kinds of drawings, but yeah, you should try changing up your pace.
Don't try to pump out the same quality in half the time, instead try to do quick but recognizable sketches in a quarter of the time

>>3464829
Was that the only glaring issue?

>>3465106
it isn't even from imagination, they are copies from page 49, i still dont feel like i could make faces from my own imagination

>>3465099
Get out of your comfort zone. Which seems to be heads. Do whatever you're bad at. Combine things!

oops too big

anyways hows this?

>>3465147
Pretty meh. Try a 3/4th view.

>>3465159
is there anything I can do to fix it?

>>3465162
No, frontal head shots are generally just very boring in my opinion, and I don't get why /beg/s has such a hard on for them.

>>3465147
The right side of the drawing looks better, especially in the face. Since the light is on the left side the linework should be lighter, make them more subtle.
The shirt collar should be fixed too, everything is important in a drawing not just the face of a person.

>>3465147
Her eyebrows don't protrude
Unless you intended for that

>>3465147
Lips look flat.

>>3465175
Everyone calls 3/4 a meme, all of the features look just like the symbols we know, and there is not perspective to take in to account. Kinda obvious why begs do them.

>>3465214
10/10 writing skill your writing is wonderful
your drawing ...eh

>>3464270
>Ask next time if you want to use my work
lmaooooooooooooo

>>3465214
Take more time to carefully rough-in the proportions before going for detail

looking for critique on my study in progress. Using SAI for the first time and I'm having trouble emulating more natural looking brush textures.

>>3465274
here is the reference

is ctrlpaint really all I need to git gud at digital?
what about cgma or schoolism or something I don't know about thats probably good

>>3465274
>>3465275
also here's some random sketches

>>3465283

>>3465282
Just do it then worry about that later.

>>3465282
there's always room for improvement and learning
ctrl+paint is just good because it's a good start.

>>3465285
top left looks barely like the original

my only experience drawing is drawfagging on /vg/, most of the shit I do is just how I imagine how things are done, how can I improve?

How do you maintain morale when everything looks terrible?

>>3465350
Look at past work.

>>3465350
I remind myself of the kinds of people that managed to get better at drawing than I currently am

>>3465250
Thanks
>>3465257
Thanks, definitely should have paid more attention to the proportions. If I had, I would have actual legs instead of stubs. But there were mistakes like the right hand being behind the shoulder somehow, and the hands look like shit anyway.

I think I need a better camera because I was so sure it looked better in person, but now that I return to this post, it looks like absolute shit

Why is photoshop so expensive
where can I find a discount for it

I need a good starting point for study and practice.. My end goal is to be able to make 2d anime/manga style art that's professional grade level shit. I'd be diving into all of this as my job once I've reached a good point in how things look, making sure anatomy isn't wrong and damn near mimic what Asian artists are doing.

I'm trying to wrap my head around what I should start off studying and practicing first. I would assume start off by doing nothing but figure drawing and human anatomy, but should I look into video guides for basic shapes before those or will they help give an idea in those areas?

I just want a good idea of which area of study to dive straight into. Also I assume even if I'm looking to do anime/manga style, when doing figure drawing.. I should avoid trying to do anything anime related, just focus on real human looks being mastered before even touching those anime style eyes, head shapes, hair, etc.

Already have a drawing tablet, using paint tool sai. as a bit of extra info. (pic not related)

>>3465545
You don't study first. You draw first. And since you're being such a pain already. Begin by drawing anime.

>>3465527
It's cheap for the amount of tools it gives you. It's also industry standard, so they can charge whatever and people will pay it. You might be able to get a discount if you work for a company where it is provided.

>>3464846
Not bad, but the nose and lips are off-center (too far left)

>>3465527
$120 for a year is really cheap compared to what it used to be, only thing that came close was student discount but that would have been equivalent to 3-4 years of current price. As of now, Krita or Clip Studio on sale offers almost everything you would ever want aside from photo manipulation features.

>>3465545
Grind with pencil and paper as much as you can. It's hard to say anything without knowing your skill level but knowing anatomy, perspective, and figure drawing in addition to copying anime works is going to be what you want to do. Find a few artists that influence you the most and work towards them. Find artists on twitter that sketch with pencil and don't only do digital.

A-am I doing ok guys

WIP, did some more work on >>3465274
crits appreciated.

>>3464938
nice

>>3465546
>>3465582
Okay, so just try to draw what I can without any study material in order to figure out where my skill level is currently. Then at some point after drawing and getting feedback move into actual study while applying those studies into what I've been doing for drawing?

Also is there a reason for grinding with pencil & paper if I have a tablet if I have the pressure settings already figured out and know how to make use of layers, along with the other tools? It's a cintiq 13hd, but If it's best for me to go back to doing stuff on paper again I can do it.

>>3465609
Just draw and stop thinking. You don't know yet what you're getting into.

>>3465609
Tablets tend to be too forgiving so it probably is worth starting out with paper if you can just so that you're more conscious about what you're putting down.

It also will help you focus since being on a computer is too much of a distraction.

>>3465609
>Okay, so just try to draw what I can without any study material in order to figure out where my skill level is currently
No but this gives me knowledge that you haven't even started yet.

Here's your study plan:
Dodson Keys to Drawing
Steve Huston or Michael Hampton's figure drawing books
Scott Robertson How to Draw or Perpsective Made Easy

Work through some of these books and draw as much as you can, study anime and "copy" the work (copying is not tracing, it's using your eye and measuring to arrive at the same drawing). Learn your tablet but use your pencil way the hell more. You don't have to use one or the other but pencil will help you out much more in the beginning.

>>3465527
>>3465548
>>3465580
>paying for photoshop
ISHYGDDT

>>3465250
fuck you, post writing

>>3464898
it's all about adjusting levels
scanning will help a ton, but levels is the most important thing to getting your picture looking clear

>>3464933
you know something's wrong when the mouth looks more like a lizard eye

>>3465895
lol yeah but i ended up fixing it and it was like my 10 attempt at a mouth total ever so ill gladly take the lizard eye

>>3464887
How did you figure out the vanishing point? I hope you didn't guess at it by looking at the rocks, because mother nature doesn't build her rocks the way we build houses.

>>3465609
Tthere's an anime study thread on /ic/.

>>3465803
That's what I was getting at by discount

How good do one need to be to make like 500 bucks/month from commissions? I can't live like this anymore.

>>3465889
i said his writing looks awesome. I wasn't sarcastic it's actually beautiful

>>3465918
Idk buddy I’m on year two of my art journey and I still get zero replies. Just keep going one day it will happen

>>3465926
make a 60 sec human figure drawing and i will tell you why you don't get any replies

bought this how did i do


but when i ordered it magically became out of stock

>>3465994
Scan it for the art book thread and we'll see.

>>3465918
go draw some fetish furry shit, you'll make a lot of money there I think.

>>3465593
You lost that tiny smirk, the eyelashes are off-angle, the highlights on her nose have a tad too much contrast and most importantly her right cheekbone is a different shape, makes her face longer.

>>3465906
Photoshop has more pirating tutorials/programs than any other software, come on man, it's one google search away
ccmaker should be easy enough even for you to use

how did I do?

>>3466078
How do you think you did anon?

>>3466083
terrible

>>3464190
Hey anon, doing something similar with the same videos. I mainly want to do character design, but figured going over fundamentals is still important, so I'm going through what each video teaches and practice at least 24 hours before moving to the next vid on the playlist. Alongside learning to sketch and whatnot of course.

Good luck!

>>3466059
I'm 65 years old

>>3466078
Armour is detail-less while the muscles and right side of the face has a lot more time put into it

>>3464986
I like it

Destroy me.

>>3466272
>couple wrapping lines and lazy shading that cant even be called crosshatching
>a lot more time put into it
I'm not going to say you can't give crit unless you're a better artist yourself, but at least restrict your crit to things you feel confident about

>>3464986
Pretty good, but the lighting above his right eye makes his face look real thin, you know, like a fish. Bring out that cheekbone more
Also, when you leave out the neck with head sketches like these it looks like you did so because you don't know where the neck would go. Do you?

>>3466304

I see. It was more of a "technique from imagination study" if you know what I mean. I tried to imagine what Shinkiro + Ruan + Alex Ross would look like. Now that I look at it, yeah, it does look thin. Yes, I know where to place the neck, I just deleted the base and focused on the face more :)

What beginner book do I need to learn about turning everything into geometric shapes?
This seems to be the key to construction that I'm missing.

>>3466334
Scott Robertson "How to Draw" + DrawABox

>>3466337
ty

>>3466334
Robertson is pretty difficult, so start with learning basic perspective and drawabox, then slowly try "How to Draw"

>>3466078
Looks /beg/ tier. No worries, you'll improve. Honestly I'd start with Peter Han Dynamic Sketching + DrawaBox + ModernDayJames and Scott Robetsons How to Draw on the side. Learn figure drawing on the side with Hampton + Proko for traditional methods + ModerndayJames. For anatomy, anything by Bammes is good and an Italian book called Struttura Uomo is highly techical. What are your goals?

>>3466339
noted, thanks

Drawing Baco of Velázquez

>>3466357
I can see that you have a basic sense of form, so thats good. Practice your shape language. Also, work on your linework as they are "chicken scratchy" (dynamic sketching by Peter Han).

This is a good video on Shapes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZknWKTpc90

I know it's mostly for painting, but it applies drawing too. Don't worry, just practice and the skills will (with years, actually not so)soon follow. Good luck.

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>>3466295
You need to work on line thickness. Those big ass contours going into the body are really bad. Unless that's some weird stone style you're going for.

I want to make nsfw art and post it someday.

This is a very simple question about basic construction.

If I'm trying to start off a face and I want an ellipse, should I keep trying to draw it in one motion until I get it right, or if I do something like the attached image should I then be going over it again smoothing it out, seeing as this is only going to be the base I am drawing the face on anyway?

>>3466453
Do you actually beat your meat to this you failure

>>3466485
No, really I was hoping for advice or critique like this thread says, not just you're a failure.

Two questions

#1 can somebody post the /ic/ book guide image, please?

#2 does this learning method work? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0ufz75UvHs

and if yes why has nobody else made videos on it?

>>3466479
Lesson 1 of drawabox

>>3466453
if "someday" means in 5-6 years, godspeed

>>3465803
I have no reason to pirate software anymore. It's a risk I don't need to take in my computer so I'd rather buy my software legitimately since I can afford it.

>>3466509
not gonna make it asking retarded questions. how long have you been wanting to start drawing but done nothing about it? give up before you waste any more time.

>>3466521
just because I haven't bought books yet and want to see about another way of practice doesn't mean I haven't been learning so far.
so why are you presumptuous? don't answer and fuck off instead.

>>3466509
Sycra already made a video on it.

>>3466566
>just because I haven't bought books yet
damn, stop proving how stupid you are lol
>want to see about another way of practice doesn't mean I haven't been learning so far.
drawing more makes you better, iterative drawing means drawing more. again, no change in practice unless you're not doing any practicing.
>so why are you presumptuous?
because it's obvious you're looking for shortcuts.

r8 this face i'm working on, /beg/, its for a 3d swords guard design.

>>3465609
I'm this anon, back tonight with a drawing I did today in order to give a better idea of where my skill level sits. I already know there's issues with parts of the body that I assume anatomy and figure drawing will help fix.

I only did base colors because I felt like doing it but I already know if I were to try adding shadows, light, etc. I'd be complete shit with it currently. Based on what I drew, what would be best for me to start with in order to improve from here?

>>3466591
thanks for the guide, but I was looking for the one where perspectives weren't on the first place. it had some different books

>>3466591
not sure what to tell you when you are wrong on every level, you're even so far up your own ass you couldn't even read the question properly

What colors would look nice for her Hair, eyes, skin?

>>3466571
Thanks, will try

1 hour commission for a friend, second drawing I've ever done in PS. Relied extremely heavily on anime references for nearly every part of the body. How the fuck do I draw hands and faces that actually look appealing?

>>3466666
that's pretty sweet. does the sword go through the mouth?

>>3466737
what stands out first anon is that the arms are much too long

>>3466737
Blog?

>>3466768
Nonexistent, commission was in person.

>>3466737
They look appealing to me.

>>3466743
Nah its just a crest type thing for the guard

>>3465617
Should I stick with this advice for the study plan and general idea of things or based on my skill level, should I skip anything and focus on something else?

This is my recent drawing I did today >>3466667

>>3466789
Decide for yourself.

>>3466790
What would you suggest? My guess is that I'd be best off just starting with keys to drawing>figure drawing>perspective. Then move on from there at a much later date after getting the hang of the rest.

>>3466806
I'm not going to suggest or decide anything for you. You have to be able to do that. I could completely mislead you.

>>3466808
Okay, I think I'd go with keys to drawing first. Worse comes to worse it's extra practice overall.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4SDdm5JzzM

2nd digital photo study, pls roast me

Is there a discord for this thread?

I need crits for this painting i did. How did i do?

So I’ve really nailed down the ability to draw from life but when it comes to imaginative drawing it all falls apart. What is the trick to drawing from the mind?

>>3466667
Hampton for improving your figures
Copying random artists' rendering for improving your own rendering

>>3466995
Looks good for me but I'm a beginner

Why are you looking for appraisals from lowlies ?

You're clearly above this thread's level

>>3467002
Nah, im just looking for a critic, cause i feel like there's something wrong with it and draw thread is slow. Sorry if i posted on the wrong thread.

>>3467004
oh, no, chill

It looks great, it's a bit strange too see a drawing without contour but it blends well

im going to take that anons advice and draw a face day. so heres day 4. i feel like something is a bit off with the construction but i cant place it. i also plan to draw a hand holding the neck but i havent got that far yet.

>>3466997
>What is the trick to drawing from the mind?
By stuffing your preferred drawing remedy up your right nostril to have as little delay between the creative brain half and medium as possible.

>>3467008
I hate those lips so much, Jesus

>>3467015
kek is it because of those weird line things or something else?

>>3467009
I never really come here to begin with but this cements my decision to come back

>>3467016
they look very defined

>>3467005
Haha thanks man

>>3466302
How is my point not correct though?.
There is more detail in the right side of the face than the armour.

>he didn't take that much time into making the details
so?

>>3467021
umm im not sure if thats good or bad

>>3467008
>>3467015

/beg/ here. I think he finds them strange because the form around your lips (and that of the lips themselves), is strange. Yours looks like the one on the right. Also, I think at this angle you'd see the little "dip" under the corner of the upper lip, where the lower lip gets tucked away, I don't think you'd have that strong of a curve there. And finally, I don't think her head is slanted that much for that chin line to be so strong, but some people prefer it that way.

I think removing the "hatching" on the lower part of the bottom lip would help a lot.

>>3464933
Work on trying to make your lips glossy just like the reference.

Please let me know how I did

>>3467161
Looks like she's tip toeing, she has a red wooden leg to match the boot on the other leg, you broke her nose and the ear is oddly fleshy.

>>3467097
Ive got no clue how to do shading or any other form of rendering so im trying to work on that now

>>3466453
I hate when people reply to posts like these with nothing resembling criticism. Even making stuff like this requires effort and drive.

You can do it anon, you need to read some books to start out like Bert Dodson's Keys to Drawing and Michael Hampton's figure drawing book. Practice makes perfect, work on art every day and sooner or later your work will be good.

>>3467214
>hates when people give nothing resembling criticism
>gives nothing resembling criticism
The sticky already tells him what you just told him. You didn't contribute anything, you didn't give him advice, you just gave him some pep talk, which he didn't come to /ic/ for.
Critique only serves a purpose when the artist made a mistake without being aware of what it was. However, there's literally nothing in this guy's work that he doesn't already recognize as flawed, so there's no point in replying to him going "You should improve your rendering, and draw more interesting poses, and do better lineart, and draw sexier tits, lips and fingers," he already knows. It's the same with every other beginner that comes here posting anime drawings: You already know what's off, so why didn't you fix those before posting? If you couldn't fix them, why didn't you ask for tutorials or help on drawing those specific parts?
I'm convinced people like you only post these kinds of "you can do it!" replies because the contrast to all the harsh shit here makes you feel like especially good people. Good on you, you didn't help.

>>3464698
A good painting looks good at every stage of the painting.
Accept that it is trash, finish it, see what you did wrong, and move on. It's very simple.

>>3467189
Neat concept, if I were you I'd do a few hours of 1 min gesture drawings spread out over a week, you'll probably get sweet results for your figures.

>>3467408
Actually I shouldn't say "the same with every other beginner that comes here posting anime drawings", there are people like this guy >>3467161 that clearly tried their best on specific aspects of their drawing and can make use of some guidance to go further quicker.

>>3467161
The way you showed her left armpit implies a twist to her right, so does the protrusion of her left hip, but neither her crotch nor right upper body play along with that. Note in particular the way her right arm looks like it's perpendicular to the camera when her body twist should actually make it recede backwards. This is easily indicated by giving the shoulder, elbow and hand some overlapping, fuck around with it

Ahhhh how the fuck do I draw a head when I can't get the perfect exact ratio of width to height? I measure and measure and measure and the measurements never fucking agree with each other, because my hand or arm or whatever has a slight shake. Measuring is fucking bullshit and I'm mad for trying :(

>>3467408 I just came back to see if anyone had given me some pointers and I saw you're post, I've looked up a tutorial on how to draw breasts and I'm watching how to improve my line art and I have learnt a lot so far, I know I won't improve in a day but thank you for the starting push.

>>3467008
It's not even funny anymore

>>3467436
If you wanna be a cheater,

1-most people dont notice the length of the legs and neck
2-as long as the head is smaller than the shoulders you can make it as small as you want

if you read Manga you can notice how females are all giraffes and the males have muscles that would put the elephant man to shame

>>3467445
Sorry, I mean specifically for portraiture. If the initial width to height ratio of the face is even a millimeter off, everything is going to be fucked. I don't know how the fuck anyone can ever do accurate measurements of a face. Maybe I'm just crippled and retarded.

>>3466935
anyone?

>>3467452
Have you read any of the books in the sticky?

Both Loomis and dodson would be able to teach you how to do a face

>>3467465
Did you use a wojak as a base?

Not meme ing

>>3467468
oh fuck it’s uncanny now that I see it

>>3467465
A couple of the edge transitions look kinda sweet. Most irritating thing is the sharp edge on the bridge of her nose imo. I think you should finish it.

>>3467452
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Prj9mHQPlU#t=5m52s

>>3467504
Really helpful, thank you. I'm a bit concerned though that I won't be able to get the ratio of the golden lines exactly perfect if I'm just eyeing it out. Will accuracy come with practice?

>>3467532
Check this out while you're at it.
http://www.dorian-iten.com/accuracy/

>>3467475
better?

>>3467475
better?

>>3467547
Yeah it's better. Consider making it just a bit thinner, I would do that at least

>>3467558
(thinner just between the eyes)

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>>3467532
The golden lines are things he'll actually drop down onto a drawing before a painting. If you're not going to draw them, then at least draw the extremes at the left and right, top and bottom. then you can use the relative measurements of what you observe in the subject and what is in your drawing. think in terms of simple fractions or measurements, relationships away from the middle of the width or height.

>>3467504
I tried this method here. It's just a simple line drawing to try to get proportions right since the lighting wasn't so good, but I don't think I did well :/

>>3464345
what a coinky dink i've been drawing mr hyde

>>3467611
ref

>>3467611 >>3467616
ahhh fuck after seeing it next to the reference I'm seeing tons of mistakes. will more practice help me make less mistakes or am I still doing something wrong?

how do I stop getting demotivated by the embarrassing cringe feeling when I look at my work after trying hard on something, and seeing it's crap?

>>3467623

Do I have a future?

>>3467619
Just keep practicing and developing your eye, my dude. You'll get it. Is she your special qt, or just a picture?

>>3467643
I've tried drawing every day for months tho. If it hasn't developed by now, it never will

>>3467649
i suppose it can't be helped if it's been months. better find a new hobby

>>3467652
I kinda had my heart set on drawing for a while. Giving it up is going to be hard. It was what I felt like doing when everything else seemed boring. Now I have nothing I can think to do. What's an easy hobby for a retarded like me?

>>3467665
smoking weed is an easy hobby

>>3467665
Months isn't that long, though. You're just at a plateau. Keep going

>>3467679
>>3467665
Also, how are you constructing the head? Maybe try a different method of construction

I got a question for the "beginners" here, how long have y'all been drawing?
I'm asking because I started a few days ago trying to copy shit, and so far even the worst drawings in here are miles better than what I can shit out so far.

>>3467681
Years.

>>3467681
Go to the Artbook thread and check out one of these books, read and do all the exercises:
>How to Draw by Scott Robertson
>Fun with a Pencil by Andrew Loomis
>Keys to Drawing by Bert Dodson

You need some foundation work

>>3467681
For me I've been drawing off and on since middle school. I didn't start taking it seriously until after high school.

By some miracle I'm going to school in the fall

>>3467681
years. lots of people posting here aren’t really /beg/ level but still ask here bc other threads are slow and if you make your own it just gets memed

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>>3467611
zoom way the fuck out of what you're drawing. stand up, walk away, and observe. take pictures and compare them. before i want to share anything, i'll export the image from my paint program and look at the preview. it helps me look at it with fresh eyes because it's easy to get too focused on some parts.

one day too i hope you get better taste and stop drawing these shitty girls.

>>3467619
Learn construction and planes of the face/head. You're trying to copy things you don't understand so you're being incredibly mislead by poor lighting and the subtle planes of fat and skin on the face.

>>3467690
damn...

>>3467408
And I'm sure it made you feel like a glorious genius to imply that all I was doing was giving him a pep talk when every other person replying to them was just being a snarky assholes for the sake of being a snarky asshole.

I gave him specific resources to look up because he obviously seemed new here and was just posting something he'd made to show what he was currently capable of.

Don't think you're extra intelligent for calling out someone who was calling other people out, you tryhard morally superior retard.

I give up ;_;
Too hard

>>3467772
If you're using digital you should get in the habit of learning or using masks. Masks are tools, it's not cheating. Make an ellipse with a tool or draw it but mask it out/clip it so you don't paint over the surface. You'll go insane trying to render it so don't even bother. It's a waste of time.

There will be times in the future when you want to only work on 1-2 layers but for now, use layers. Merge after you're done if you want.

I like to sketch my waifu. Critique plz, I think my friends are being too nice

>>3467785
I'm seeing you're in krita. Krita has some great masking features and inherit alpha when I used to use it. David Revoy and gdQuest are good resources.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLW6ulXZ9GM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2HB57GeeVE

>>3467785
I actually used a lot of layers and the circle tool the draw the egg, pic related. It's just that I drew it really inaccurately, the amount of layers got out of control, and was confused about how to render it. It seems like the shadows are all soft and would require the air brush tool. But if I render with just the airbrush tool it would look like shit.

My knowledge of values is still very shit but I probably have to find something a little easier to practice value shading. Also I should probably use the mask/lasso tool for the hard edges/outline of the egg.

I feel like my whole reply is just excuses ;_;

>>3467787
Thanks for the links to the videos! I was aware of the basic inherit alpha layer but I wasn't aware how to use the more advance transparency masks.

>>3467796
1 layer for the egg shape, fill that and clip everything to it. then make another layer above it and fill it with the middle grey. then you can make another layer for the shadows and another for the light. For now that's pretty simple and should be doable with 4 layers, 3 you're painting on. Eventually you'll be able to do this with 1 layer or will have the need to add more effects layers for things like scratches and other details. Stick to the basics of diffuse/albedo (the flat color of the object with no lighting), shadow, and highlight. I would recommend starting with a hard round first to block out, then using either a soft round (airbrush) or soft eraser to blend and get the midtones.

>>3464111
is this hot?
I've never used a tablet before and I have no idea what kind of brush I should use for my lines

I'm using gimp btw, is that a bad idea?

I haven't drawn in a long time and have apparently completely forgotten how
all I can do is regurgitate the same sort of symbols and if I try to do anything else I get actively depressed because it looks so fucking bad
I'm gonna ask what to do but I know I'm just gonna get "practice and do studies"

>>3467649
Months is not long, it took me 3.5 years to get out of /beg/

>>3467408
meanwhile people like you rant for an entire paragraph over "you should read keys/hampton"
get a life

>>3467810
copy. in order of difficulty:
>cartoons
>real life shit that isn't faces
>faces

>>3467772
Have you tried trying?

Why it always turn out looking like shit?

https://pixnio.com/free-images/2017/11/30/2017-11-30-18-01-22-1200x800.jpg

>>3467808
>is this hot

lmao

Desperately trying to figure out the way that the human body works. I don't know why it's so hard to draw.

>>3467808
That's hot. Good job.

>>3467808
yikes

>>3467885
Why are faces the most difficult

Should I keep trying to pulish this turd?

>>3468005
>>3467914
I should rephrase
I know the linework is shit, these are 15 min sketches from pencil drawings I made
is this appealing in any way? If not, why? should I even bother try to draw them better/color them?

>>3468006
Our brain is so wired to recognize human faces and so wired to notice things that are slightly off that the slightest error stands out a ton and makes it instinctively look fucking awful

>>3467808
Right is hotter than the left. You should fix her forearm.

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It's interesting that I'm seeing very little actual pictures of people's beginner art. I mean this thread is for people are fairly early off into the world of taking illustration seriously. My Art is posted elsewhere so I'm not gonna plug my shit for no reason but I will be honest when i say i haven't worked fully enough on dynamic poses to give certain types of criticism. What I will say is that I've done enough still lifes to take up an entire landfill and I've done many self portraits and portraits of freinds, family, random people and ect. along with my main focus in my interest, which of course is a more super-stylized fairly unrealistic but aesthetically pleasing cartoony work. Sorry if I sound like a twat but I'm simply trying to explain this as clearly as possible.

>>3467808
I would say that there is a strange jump in style from the left to the right. This seems unintentional so that's why I point it out. One other thing is that with the one on the right. Boobs don't really work like that, they should flow more upwards onto her chest like a teardrop and if they are being pushed up like that then you need to show some wrinkles/lines where the skin is sort of folding a bit. Other then that it looks quite pleasing.

another photo study, hopefully looking less like wojak

>>3467742
I like how you made sure to point out the contrast between your response and the snarky assholes, literally in response to me calling you out on that being your hidden agenda.
I'm not saying you weren't trying to help, I'm saying you didn't. I'm not saying you replied to the guy with the goal of making yourself look good while anonymous (how retarded would I have to be to believe you are that retarded?), I'm saying you subconsciously did, which you just confirmed again.
Hit me up when you learn to help people without caring more about your own appearances as you do.

>>3467882
>an entire paragraph
Jesus Christ how pitiful do you have to be to consider spending a couple minutes on voicing your opinion on a whim something so far beyond your own behavior it triggers a "get a life" response