/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

ESSENTIALS:

>>>/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>http://youtube.com/user/ProkoTV
Instructional how-to videos covering mostly portrait and figure drawing from fine artist Stan Prokopenko.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

OK I'm 3 days in these are the two drawings I'm not one hundred percent embarrassed by. How do I into proportion?

OK
Two of them, I used my hand
The middle one is referenced from Hampton book.
Read line is acceptable
I will like to see my mistakes
I feel like the proportions are a little wrong. Tell me how to improve it! If Im missing something.

>>3365263
You measure

the google doc says it's in the user's trash, can't access it - what's up?

>>3365274
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nmfKY_GNV82g3iprhR20u6qDXGkGFex_gHod-iduUH8/edit?copiedFromTrash#

>>3365263
Do anatomy studies, they will give you a sense of proportion.

Should I follow the same stuff if I just want to draw as a hobby? Don't really care too much about the environment and stuff, I just like drawing dragons and bimbos.

>>3365301
>dragons and bimbos
the only 2 things worth drawing imo

2h study

>>3365263
The best and the hardest (for me anyway) is doing Bargue plates, do them and measure by eye, when put paper to monitor, you can resize pic to fit paper ofc, this is grind and a year later i still fear it lol, all though it gives me the most benefits i do it like one a month.

>>3365323
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uFQ25_LOPQ

>>3365311
>posting this in /beg/

don't hurt actual /beg/ artists feelings anon

I want to learn to draw in general, but I want to directly get to draw characters and design them. What's the most direct route to drawing that subject specifically?

Why I don't get anything.
Is that bad?

>>3365269

>>3365363
you're fine, anon. studies are just a dry topic and people don't always have something to say about them.

trying to draw a trap is my construction passable?

So im a hikki autist who doesnt socially interact at all, never will, never will want to attend any courses, I want to be entirely self taught. Posting here will be my only interaction for criticism and advice. Is the rate at which I will improve, in terms of getting feedback, be as much as getting taught? Ive got plenty of time so its not an issue, but it would suck if you need to go to some faggot meetup to advance properly in art. Also: does motivation matter? Here are my motivations:

>see artist's work I like
>want to be like him
>same field of interest of what to paint
>want to project my ideas in a visceral way (I write but at times I feel like it isnt fully expressed enough)
>dont have any high notion of art, dont have a 'muh individual struggle' narrative, just want to put thoughts into picture

Are there any motivations that are red flags for failure?

>>3365427
Wew literally me

>>3365363
Nah it looks cool, I think nobody had any crit. You could try your luck in the normal drawthread if you really want some crit

>>3365246
>finally decide to being my long journey to drawing
>click the new sticky
>see this
How did I mess up already?

first digi painting

>>3365311
Beg or not, this is is giving me a ton of information.

i can only draw freestyle cartoon characters inspired from watching adult swim shows like superjail! as a kid

>>3365507
Did Iris betray us?

>>3365414
is it a trap robot? Otherwise why are you emphasizing the blocks and grids so much as you set up? Reducing people to shapes as you draw is good but so much effort into right angles and squares isn't going to help.
Anyway it looks like the anatomy of a short but muscular guy, like Ed Elric. An actual trap needs narrow shoulders, less muscular arms, a very soft pec region, and far less built glutes/thighs

Yeah I started narrowing out the shoulders after I posted. I set it up like that because it makes it easier to put the anatomy into perspective and I can check the planes of them later if I paint it. Not really sure how to place my lines.

>>3365601
>>3365693

>>3365693
Looks like you're drawing one of those guys that cosplay as horses in nothing but a thong.

Does anyone know what the term for perspective when drawing bodies is?
Looking up perspective just gives me videos on drawing scenery rather than bodies, or am I just dumb and not applying that correctly to bodies.
Are there any good resources on this topic?

>>3365693
i dont really have any artist critique, however you are using trap wrong. traps are """convincing""", not in real life but in drawings they are basically flat futa girls. this doesn't convince me for even a second that it is a girl

>>3365693
>>3365702
Shoulders and arms are still too muscular for a trap. He looks seriously strong.
>Ilima
Wait that's who this is? Why are you making your figure so bulky?! From that sketch, f you told me you were trying to draw one of the swimming boys from Free i would have believed you.

Try looking at the way people draw Astolfo for inspiration/seeing how that trap body shape looks when scantily clad.
>pic related

>>3365702
This. I think that's what anon is trying to do, they're just not clear on how to draw that slim, petite figure bc many drawing exercises teach you using bulky men.

>>3365693
Shoulders and arms are still too muscular for a trap. He looks seriously strong.
>Ilima
Wait that's who this is? Why are you making your figure so bulky?! From that sketch, f you told me you were trying to draw one of the swimming boys from Free i would have believed you.

Try looking at the way people draw Astolfo for inspiration/seeing how that trap body shape looks when scantily clad.
>pic related

>>3365698
The world is made of boxes, spheres, and cylinders. Learn the perspective of those and you can apply that to bodies.

>>3365698
Yeah it's the same thing, and as you learn those same principles will become easier to apply to human shapes. >>3365724 has the right suggestion, and (although Loomis is a meme currently) if u go look in the first few chapters of his figure drawing book there's a bunch of visual demonstrations of the human form being affected by perspective.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/documents/1344503651books/147941.pdf

>>3365697
gross

>>3365702
femboy then

>>3365722
Yeah, I haven't practiced drawing femboys much and I'm used to exaggerating muscles in anatomy studies. I'll do some artist studies tomorrow then try again.

What did I do wrong

>>3365765
My friend says this is what it looks like

>>3365311
This is actually pretty good anon, the feet are a little wonky and the front leg looks a bit jarring because its too smoothed out compared to the rest of the drawing which is more textured. Tthis doesn't really belong in beg.

>>3365765
The finished version looks flatter than the initial drawing.

>>3365765
alright i love that face

>>3365698
Foreshortening.

>>3365045
from last thread

>>3365347
>>3365575
>>3365782
I think I'm a little bit above /beg/ tier, but I don't know where else to post my stuff for feedback.

>>3365991
The normal drawthread?
They're less rigid about 'go back to /beg' than they used to be, even if that applied to you.

Rocks Rocks Rocks

:(

>>3366002
Someone who still has access make a copy, quick

>>3365986
nice cat.
i'd try to gain experience with less invested sketches and cartoonier drawings when i comes to cute cartoon characters, and then do the high detail pieces as a departure from that

>Have been drawing the bean so often i see it in every image, even porn when im trying to beat my meat
MAKE IT STOP

>>3366124
the wat

>>3366179
proko bean

I'm not sure what I'm doing with paint. I've got some experience drawing so I sort of get tone but paint is hard. How do I improve?

>>3365578
I like it anon it's a very unique style.

Requesting red line and critiques. I draw softcore smut from time to time and took my time on this one a bit. Never drew this pose before so I am pretty sure the legs are mangled. Thanks in advance for your comments.

>>3366202
I have to ask, is learning the bean super duper important, because I just can't get them right no matter how hard i try

>>3366251
The bean is more of a method of thinking, it's not for everyone and you can try other methods such as the robo-bean, or the towel methods or just intuitively understand the limitations of the torso to hip connection by grinding it out.

>make this
>/r/dbz mods (yes, yes, I know) remove it for being low-effort art or whatever

fug, never gonna make it

https://gigadweeb.deviantart.com/art/The-Prince-of-Destruction-737955957

>>3366333
>>>/r/
What a strange request

>>3366339
what do you mean request?

I bought an art tablet like two years ago and have used it maybe once. I just dug it out again to try and get to grips with it 'cause traditional drawing seems to have hit a brick wall. Sai was working fine before and picking up my pen, however clumsily but now it just isn't drawing whatsoever. Even trying to draw with my mouse on the blank page does fuck all. Should I just go watch a ton of videos about tablets so I kind of get what I'm doing? This feels like some kind of alien technology right now.

>>3366345
My plan has always been to upgrade from paper to Cintiq, I need to get good enough to justify the pursuit though. I'm waiting for the day for people to tell me I'm too good for /beg/ unironically a couple of times.

>>3366422
Get a chinese brand. I got the Huion GT-191. It works perfectly and way cheaper than a Cintiq.

what do you guys think, what should I improve

>>3366458
is pretty much perfect, the style mean anything awkward suits it so yep, good. maybe signature is a little bit ugly where it is

do i need to 'draw from the elbow' from the absolute beginning? how many times should i do the stravinsky upside down? does it help to have the thing youre trying to draw physically printed out, or is copying from a computer screen fine?

>>3366512
Yes, draw from the elbow always. Practice drawing straight lines and circles and such for a few, maybe several pages. Once you get the general idea move on to the next thing. You don't need to grind it hard cause it'll come naturally as you do other stuff.

The point of stravinsky drawing is to show you that you can draw something accurately as long as your brain isn't overloading you with symbols. It's more of a novelty newbie thing, hardly an exercise.

Print or screenshot, doesn't matter. Life drawing trumps both though.

>>3366512
1. yes, you are going to be drawing from your arm and elbow regularly, and probably reserving your wrist for detail, so you need to build familiarity from drawing from those points
2. Once between a set of studies, it's made so you know how well you can copy something 1:1. If you
re lacking, try doing some exercises from Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain or Keys to Drawing
3. I'd go with print myself, but I mostly study from object I have in the house more. but as >>3366559 said, life drawing is gonna help most in the long run, so don't be afraid to go outside and draw shit out there.

>>3365246
somebody told me big foreheads were cute.

why doesnt it work?

>>3365246
Hey I did that

>>3366568
Creepy.

Mouth width, lemon eyes and lack ears.

Tried something

>>3366578
>Tried something
Do tell.

>>3366582
tried drawing some shit

>>3366584
Well done.

>>3366576
lol totally forgot ears, and it does look uncanny 2 me 2

>>3366568
lmao egghead looking mf

>>3366588
is this sarcasm my man

>>3366339
Hi new friend. I'd just like to let you know that the greater than symbol put before a line means you are quoting that line. Imagine the poster you replied to typed in:
*make this*
/r/dbz mods: remove it for being low-effort art or whatever


:)

>File might be deleted soon
What's going on with the sticky?

>>3366339
They're posting their art and also greentexting about something that happened with that art...

>>3366333
In the future you should probably just post the art here rather than a reaction image and link, not many will bother opening the url. Anyway yeah that's pretty low effort

>>3366659
Looks fine to me dude

>>3366659
>tfw just noticed the google docs isn't in the sticky
It means NoseBro hasn't touched it in a while or something.

>>3366449
>Huion GT-191
Neat-o, thanks. I had a Huion tablet and I never fully adapted to the disconnect between tablet and monitor. I didn't know they made drawing tablet monitors.

>>3366659
I can't even look at it without signing in. Disgusting.

What would you suggest for a beginner to develop sense of composition and become better at it?

>>3366731
3D usually looks better than 2D.

How's this? I think Im still making the hands too small(aside from being poorly drawn)

>>3366742
Appealing and also posted in the wrong thread. Finish coloring it.

>>3366745
Thanks, also although I think my crap still belongs in /beg/

>>3366742
>How's this?
Not a fan.

How do I get better at getting my shading of a round object to fade better? I cant blend so I end up banding.

>>3366786
Practice more. You lack the control, but with practice, you'll get it eventually.

how can i get better at drawing feet without looking at them? they gross me out, i dont want to copy photos of someone's nasty ass feet

How does learning to look at things really well help me draw from my imagination? Or am I meant to be using references for everything?

>>3366794
>How can I draw something I don't remember?
Look your own feet maybe?

>>3366794
If you can't stand to even look at feet, why do you want to know how to draw them?

>>3366742
At first glance it looks pretty good thanks to the clean lines. The hands are just a bit too small but I think it's the least of your problems. Those legs are downright creepy and you lost the perspective on them. Leg position implies that her weight is on her left foot, therefore her hips should be tilted the other way for a more natural look. Also avoid completely straight lines like you put on her right arm, those belong in robots.
Keep grinding, get your references and you'll probably make it.

>>3366794
cheat and draw shoes.

>>3366797
Imagine an image in your head, now copy that exactly onto paper.
Construction is a crutch for when you can't do it in your head. Go watch kim jung gi

Here's my latest, I wonder if I should stop using a blending tip. I use a rolled up napkin and the accuracy is shit, maybe a qtip, or simple no shading would work better.

>>3366817
Completely botched the hair. Gotta try something different for next time, not sure what. Face looks squashed, I didn't measure the width to height proportion of the entire face and instead did each dimension individually which is where I think I went wrong. Please critique anything else.

>>3366817
you made her head too vertically squashed, its longer in the reference also why is she missing an eyebrow

>>3366824
Kek forgot about the eyebrow.

>>3366817
Yes, stop blending altogether, it's not a good tool for begginers. Learning to render with line or varying the weight of your pencil will help you out more. Same goes for erasing, it holds you back when you're a begginer. Start using those techniques once you become more knowledgeable on the medium you're using and get a better grasp on values.

>>3366803
Thanks mate, Ill keep griding of those parts.

trying to force myself to draw from photos but it's really not easy. Tips?

I've been drawing for a long time but I've never actually buckled down and tried to improve myself or gone over fundamental stuff

>>3366698
whats not in what now? The google docs is the sticky, if youre referring to the board sticky, my google docs almost made it in, same with some other good guides, but we crabbed too hard and the mods decided to change nothing.

Someone help with this?

>>3366902
FLIP IT $AMD APOLOGIZE

>>3366902
dude aliens lmao

>>3366878
keep doing it
over and over and over

youre on the right track, this isnt half bad
make sure to focus on problem areas. for example- neck and shoulders

>>3366559
>>3366564
So how do I sit? I've got bad posture, like to slouch etc. Must any part of my arm not touch the paper?

>>3366924
tippity-toppity kek

>>3366924
Push your hips as far back as they can go in the chair. In office chairs, the best way to sit is to let the shaped back support your back and shoulders by scooting your hips back as far as they go, then adjusting the other components of the chair to offer support. If you're sitting in a straight, hard-backed chair, scoot your bottom up to the edge of the chair and sit without slouching into the back of that chair. Sit with your back and shoulders as straight as if they were supported by the chair back. Over time, this is a more comfortable position for your back, neck, and shoulders. If you're sitting in a lounge chair or a couch, it's important to keep your feet flat on the floor and your back straight. Your shoulders should be back and you should be as far forward on the couch as possible. Keep your shoulders back and your back straight. Wherever and however you're sitting, it's important to keep your shoulders back to avoid slouching or hunching your back as you sit. Over time, this can strain your neck and shoulders, leading to chronic pain and headaches. Don't lean your chair backward or slouch yourself forward while you're sitting, or you can strain your sciatic nerve and your shoulder muscles. This serves to keep you off-balance. It is good to rock gently, if possible, if you're going to be sitting for a longer time. This helps to keep the body active and balanced. Adjust the seat height to fit your body. The seat of your chair should be high enough so that your feet are flat on the floor and your knees are even with your hips, or slightly lower. If you sit too low in the chair, you can end up straining your neck, while if you sit too high, your shoulders can get tired over time. If you need to adjust your seat so that it is higher, you may find that your feet don't comfortably reach the ground. Try putting a stool, cushion, or another object under your feet. Adjust the back of the chair to a 100°-110° reclined angle.

>>3366924
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xS864zYIo8

Just finished this

>>3366924
Here are instructions on how to stand just in case.

>>3366937
>>3366933
>>3366926
>>3366929
OK but I mean, can't I just slouch and draw comfortably? My back is wrecked and if I sit any other way the pain is cancer, and i've tried before to get rid of it by sitting like this. It hasn't gone away after a week or more.

My table is perhaps too high, that's why maybe drawing from the elbow feels awkward

>>3366942
Go see a chiropractor.

>>3366943
>pseudoscientist massagist

>>3366947
massages feel nice and will help your back stop hurting. but i mean, if you want to stay in pain, go ahead

>>3366947
>spend 8 years getting a doctorates with a specialization in the spine to help those in need
>get called a massagist on an Cambrian Period Art Collective

>tfw I'm actually having a lot of fun doing the "boring" exercises people told me i'd hate
don't trust the fucking crabs guys "just drawing" is a meme, go practice

Caricature. Thoughts?

Sorta just a quickish sketch but what could be changed or what should be kept?

I'm just starting out so I bought a pack of #2 pencils an a manual sharpener. Problem is a lot of time when sharpening the lead always breaks in the pencil. So I have to pull the lead tip and try to resharpen. Is it the sharpener or the pencils? Should I go back and buy more expensive pencils? I kinda want to buy some blue ones to do the sketch/initial drawing then switch to the regular dark pencils.

trying to work with advise from last thread.
does this look less spastic?

d-do i have to read the whole 'drawing from the right side of the brain' book? the board sticky says to ignore the pseudo science, where are the parts i should read?

>>3367011
Yes, you have to read the entire book. If you miss a single word you seal your ngmi fate.
Just do the excersizes bro.

>>3366957
thats not what a chiropractor is

Shapes and Shading

>>3367075

watched lessons on oil painting and tried to apply it to digital

how do i stop getting it to look so masculine?

Hello, I'm an exceptionally mediocre intermediate artist.
Would anybody like any advice?

>>3365311
How long have you been drawing?

>>3367114
Personally, I don't think it looks masculine but maybe you could try lowering the width of the neck.

>>3366902
use clear lines next time and the hair must have volumen, so dont have to follow the head form unless she is shaved.

Can someone tell me what the fuck does NGMI mean?

>>3367161
Not gonna make it

>>3366947
How's that trash "art study" going for ya mate?

>>3366988
First of all, what are you looking for?
It looks like a caricature but even for a caricature the neck looks strange.
>>3367005
to add more details you could make it bigger, with that the lines it should look less spastic.
If you aren't used to drawing large, you could make a quick sketch with graphite pencil

>>3367011
>Cutting corners already
I have four letters for you

>>3367075
>>3367077
make it bigger, and give more detail to the shadows and lights.Put a little more attention to the figures, they are crooked and with another perspective

>>3366988
Worst part of that whole sketch is the mouth

Some gesture drawings I had drawn according to the first part of Hampton's tutorials.

Is there anything I am doing terribly wrong?

Some gesture drawings I had drawn according to the first part of Hampton's tutorials. Top 4 are made in 90 seconds for each sketch, bottom 2 are in 60 secs.

Is there anything I am doing terribly wrong?

Found this University course by chance
https://courses.byui.edu/art110_new/art110/

R8 my grayscale study. First time rendering without relying on line art I think I did ok but would like someone to tear me a new one cuz I'm into that stuff

>>3367344
Ref

>>3367242
i don't think there's anything you're even doing right to be honest
compare your drawings to the ones in the book

>>3367036
>How do I into foreshortening
>not How do I foreshorten web

I'm really, FREAKIN' angry right now.

Should I just do drawabox?
Should I just do loomis?
Should I follow this pic?
Are all of them memes and is art just genetic?

>>3367444
what do you want to draw

>>3367444
1) All of these will help, and the more time you invest the more so.
2) Depends on what skills you already have. (for example, Loomis isn't maximally effective for super duper beginners who have no grasp at all.) Have you got anything you can post?

>>3367449

i want to be able to draw from imagination
i want to draw beef cream wolf boys

>>3367453

i can copy any linework with 70% -80% accuracy
I can draw something good from life/photo if I take enough time
i am complete shit with anything else,everything is off,proportions are off,etcetera

>>3367138
Started around 2012 without any idea about how to draw, just as an occasional hobby, but then I started studying about a year ago.
I'd estimate about 1000 hours drawing shit, 400 hours drawing smart, and 100 hours reading about drawing.

>>3367460
Well, you can try a few hours of reading and doing exercises from Loomis and if it feels too frustrating/confusing or like a longer period wouldn't help you then look up some of the earlier books in that image until you find a fit for what you're lacking in.
Also see if there's life drawing classes you can go to somewhere.

>>3367464

how many hours a day should i practice

>>3367460
ok great
pick out some figure drawing books (hampton, vilppu, loomis) and reference those as you practice, i.e. if you're struggling to see what is wrong with your drawings compare it to those in the books, and so on
make sure to draw at least ten times as much as you read

>>3367467

>>3367344
looks good, but somehow I feel like the reference eye is bigger

Advice needed;I understand the importance of drawing from life but often on my free time have nothing worth while to draw from reference. What should I do to improve my drawing skill if I have nothing to draw from reference?

>>3367678
Do you live in a pitch black room?

>>3367685
I work in a place that requires that I sit alone in a hallway all alone for at least an hour at a time (security job). Yes, there is a door or a window sometimes but those things are very minimal and are basically un stimulating squares.

>>3367689
You shouldnt literally only draw from life you know.

>>3367462
Holy shit. You're an inspiration.

>>3367462
Do you mind if I ask which books you learned the most from?

>>3366887
Maybe introduce a section regarding signatures in art? Can't really think of anything else aside from digging inside Artstation profiles and find their WIP videos and YouTube channel.

I think I understand Keys to Drawing now. Should I finish the whole book or continue to Michael Hampton?

>>3367826
I don't think I can point to any single book and say it helped me more than any other, and I don't know if I've gone more than halfway through most of these books. But here are the most important ones I guess:
See, Feel, Trace, Draw It by Sheldon Borenstein got me started with drawing gesture. Really short, only a few paragraphs of text, the rest are drawing examples to study and copy.
Vilppu Drawing Manual and Figure Drawing - Design and Invention (Hampton) to refine gesture/figure drawing.
Bridgman's Complete Guide to Drawing from Life. I love the way he draws forms.

I've probably gotten more out of video lectures though. Seeing someone execute what you're trying to learn while also commenting on the mental process helps a lot.
Vilppu's NMA video lectures (mainly the videos about form).
Erik Olson's perspective videos.
Scott Eaton's anatomy videos.

I also read some Loomis and watched Proko but I found them a bit harder to chew.

>>3367835
i think you could move on

>>3367853
Gesture is the thing I feel hopelessly fucked on, so thanks for that recommendation. Thanks for all of this; I really appreciate it. Btw, you're past beginner it seems. Congrats.

>>3366620
What?

>>3367171
no idea what youre talking about

>>3367835
Yeah just skip it in fact move straight to painting because you seem extremely talented and special

>>3367920
lurk more

>>3368003
Kinda mean man.

>>3365246
I decided to try out the loomis figure drawing book. I felt pretty confident during the chest and body segment, but when I got to the arms and legs everything just went straight to shit. Does any anon have pointers for me? How do I progress and fix my mistakes?

Sorry for the poor image, I had to take a picture with my phone and resize it to fit with my reference.

>>3368074
You need to understand the actual anatomical structure of the skeleton and muscles. This is why loomis is a meme.

>>3368077
What would you suggest I look into to better understand the anatomy of the skeleton and muscles?

>>3368079
From this drawing I think you might should start with keys to drawing by Bert Dodson. Then learning gesture and figure drawing from Michael Hampton.

>>3368074
You don't need figure drawing or anatomy at this point. Learn to draw accurately by learning how to measure, i.e. Keys to Drawing or Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain.

>>3368095
>>3368098
Thanks, I'll go straight to that then.

I need help with this one, I know its wrong, but I don't know how to fix it.

>>3368077
He’s not a meme, but is only really beneficial to people who already have a moderate grasp on the human form

>>3368074
Put Loomis away for now and try what other anon suggested or else one of the earlier books from >>3367444

>>3368117
u sick fuc

Anyone have any good tips on line weight?

>>3366568
>Face at angle
>Head upright
Looks like his head is melting off.

>>3367689
Bring in pictures of naked women to draw

Where the fuck do I start? Everything seems to be aimed at people who have enough skill to at least make a reasonable copy of a line drawing.

>>3368156
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkmmDJD7QAE

>>3365246
I was wondering if I could get a second opinion of this B/W silouhette piece. First of all: is it readable? Can you tell what it is? Any other thoughts on it would also be appreciated.

>>3368163
>any idiot can learn to draw

Yeah but he's been doing it for over four years and he still sucks, God I hate these piece of shit youtube celebrities.

>>3368175
>And this is why everything he said is invalid, check and mate.

how do i 'just draw' when i know everything i draw at this point will be utter trash?

i ran out of space

>>3368204
Improve then. You don't get asked to draw a square and draw a circle. Just draw it better the next time.

>>3368204
You will stay trash unless you do.

>>3368204
1. Read through the beginner books, they will fix some of your errors quickly.
2. The whole "Just Draw" video was about drawing easy shit and working up to harder subjects so you don't get discouraged.

>>3368216
Is that a guy getting sucked off by a tranny?

>>3368204
>>3368204
Think about drawing like swimming in a pool. The instructor tells everyone to hop in. Nobody really knows what they're doing. Everyone jumps into the pool except you. Standing at the edge of the water, you think to yourself "I don't know how to swim, I need to learn that first." You think "If I jump in now, I will just look stupid and not know what I'm doing". You walk away. You're going to do some research first.

The next day you return after watching videos and reading lessons. Now you're ready. The instructor asks everyone to hop in the pool. Never having done this before, you slowly tip toe into the water. You hold on to the side of the pool for fear of floating away. The instructor then asks everyone to meet him near the end of the pool. "The fucking deep end?!" You think to yourself. You don't even know how to swim and he wants you in the deep end? You grip the edge even tighter as you watch everyone else happily paddle over. "Tread water everyone, and I'll get right into the lesson." Tread water? What is he talking about? You get out of the pool. You must have missed something. You'll make sure to look this up and be ready for next time.

The next day you come back. You enter the pool and try to "tread water". It's supposed to help you float, you think. You try to replicate what you saw in the video, but never having been in the water before, you're struggling. The instructor arrives and asks everyone to do three laps of the pool. Shocked, hanging on the the ledge, you simply float there. "This is stupid" you think to yourself. "I'm just going to do something else." Cursing the teacher, all the videos you watched, you walk into the change room blaming everything but yourself.

How do I make this less shit going forward? Crits pls.

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>>3368245
Lmao this is the best post on /ic/

>>3368266
can you post your revision without the opacity? looks good

>>3368275
that would require effort and me slightly resizing the eyes. I can redline some other thing if you want.

>>3368279
>slide the opacity bar from 50% to 100%
I believe in you

>>3368279
tried to correct with mouse. didnt want to connect tablet. Fixing neck is impossible.

>>3368281
that would have done the exact opposite of what you wanted, all i had to do was hide layer.

>>3368266
>>3367430
is this what "one pixel off" looks like in action

>>3368266
>nosebro redlining
Hahahaha

>>3368245
how are you supposed to do 3 laps around the pool when you dont know how to swim

>>3368290
youre acting like a few mm of bone isnt what gives people good facial features IRL

>>3368297
Youre just as bad as him except you just mash ctrlZ until you get a smooth line lmao

>>3368299
Your comments show the extent of the lack of your skill.

who is nosebro

>>3368304
me!

>>3368302
LOL.
I would be careful shit talking when you got blown the fuck out last night. Dont forget who you belong to, tripfaggot.

>>3368248
I like the design, you should however try to improve your line art. It's inconsistant, use thicker lines for shadows or areas that are hard to read(left arm and upper body; shoulders and chest. I kind of like the scratchy aesthetic though, other artist probs disagree though. Try incorporating high contrast shadows for different planes, think of eyesockets, under the nose, under cheekbones instead of random scratches on the head.

>>3368308
You're very dedicated friendo!

>>3368304
A ngmi shitposter who hasnt improved in years and is convinced that hes gods gift to /ic/.
A millennial version of Illustrat or Marielx

>>3368313
Just remember your place, trash.

>>3368314
the sad thing is hes better than me
im just drawing beans

>>3368321
The happy thing, however is that you will improve. He will not because be spends more time trying to become le epic wacky 4chan personality than actually drawing

>>3368321
no need to worry about him bud, he never posts his work and doesn't have a voice. I'm sure youll improve nonetheless.

>>3368331
>nosebro complaining about other people not posting work
Hahaha ill post the image when I get home.
Also I post my work constantly and have shown you my art over 6 times now, youre just literally retarded and only remember things that fit your narrative

So I tried rendering seriously for the first time a couple days ago. I liked it a lot, but looking back I really don't like how this rock in terms of form came out. Should I have pushed my values more?

>>3368245
>everyone learned to tread water by day two
>swimming laps by day three
This whole analogy would be better if it was a weekly or monthly class or something and the other people had been practicing swimming in the meantime. It just sounds stupid right now.

>>3368348
I would study the structure of rocks first and come up with a satisfactory line drawing before you try to render or else it will come out kind of formless like your pic. Pushing values never hurts though, you dont want just high contrast but a high range.
Pay close attention to the texture of the type of rock youre intent on rendering as well as its sheen or lack thereof

>>3368337
ok then, post your blog and reply to one of my messages

>>3368366
How about you accept my challenge instead and not piss your pants and run away this time?

>>3368391
sure, join the server, lets chat while we draw!

>>3368397
1. I'm not joining your faggot server so you can try desperately to become my friend again.
2. I'm not wasting my time with your stall tactics.

We will do it my way or not at all this time.

>>3368408
>this time

Why can't you compromise a bit friendo? I'm sure youll warm up to me! I won't judge your voice.

>>3368310
Yeah I see what you mean about the inconsistent line weights now, I'll try to work on that. Thanks for the feedback anon, I appreciate it.

>>3368414
Youre so fucking punchable I pray you live in southern california

>>3368451
I said montreal many times. I thought you were a bigger fan! PS im not asian.

>>3368452
Lucky little shit arent you.

>>3368452
>>3368456
Stop shitting up the thread you dumb faggots

>>3368456
if you pay for the trip we can always meet up. An I/C Boxing match would be hilarious desu. As long as were in the same weight class and everything its fair fight.

>>3368457
I would pm him but he doesn't want to be my friend.

i contributed with a redline though if thats any better!

>>3368459
I don't care about fair I would make you swallow your teeth you uppity little shit.
I'm done talking with you, all your chatter doesn't change the fact that you suck ass at drawing. All you can do is try to talk your way out of everything.

Guys i'm trying to follow Bridgman's Constructive Anatomy but I just can't practice it without fucking up and having to start with a new piece of paper. For example I'm just on the hands and he doesn't really touch on actually *drawing* the thumb or fingers, any of there proportions or construction etc, just the construction of the base hand + wrist.

>>3368477
Bridgeman is advanced I would look at Loomis for proportions

>>3368481
But his writing and art style is unbearable

>>3368503
Brainlet.

>>3368508
How so? It's just walls of dribble with a few details that are actually relevant interspersed randomly, he forces you to read his abysmal "jokes" and pseudo intellectual "insights" into drawing before he'll tell you anything useful.

>>3368469
You dedicate a lot of your time to thinking of me. It's pretty pathetic. If you want me to think of you, feel free to befriend me!

>>3367114
play with the jaw, nose, and philtrum

Is there an issue with mashing ctrl z? I undo pretty much all lines I make at least once.

remember to report nosebro

>>3368363
Swimming classes are once a week... so it is 3 weeks. And if you can't fucking wiggle your feet and move your arms to tread water by the 2nd week, don't bother getting off the short bus.

>>3368592
in your case, the answer is yes. If you need to ctrl z often, the expectation is that you have a finished product on your first layer. ctrl z for a sketch is ridiculous unless one of your lines represent a huge part of your drawing

>>3367114

>>3368602
anon repeatedly wrote 'the next day'

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>>3368680
Ver nice lol

>>3368675
Next day as in next day of class. That's what I got from it anyway. Regardless I think you're missing the entire point of the post... it isn't about the accuracy of swim class scheduling.

>>3368692
When you see 'the next day' in a book do you take it as 'the next occasion' or the literal next day. Anyway suspension of disbelief wrecks an otherwise good analogy, that's why i said something

>>3368701
What brand of autism do you have?

>>3368713
>i can’t refute the point so I’ll call them autistic

>>3368732
>i cant refute my autism so ill say he can't refute the point

>>3368666
So you like them bushy

>>3365972
How do you fix it?

>>3366213
I think the biggest misconception people who draw have when they get into painting is that painting is all done in one layer at one time. I'd recommend starting out with just a basic layer of mid tone, shadow, and highlight, then take a step back, wait until it's a little more dry, and then go back in and detail.

I know there is a problem with the "middle" but has a line work how is it?

>>3368807
kys chocolate scum

It's amazing how much shittier this looks when I put them next to each other.

>>3368846
this is the lamest april fools joke

>>3367114
Use black and white rather , and check Zin lim on YouTube has plenty videos on drawing

I know that its not great, but please bear with me, and thank you for what constructive criticism you can provide.

>>3368991
my neck bruh

>>3368869
just keep at it man

>>3368846
suck my balls
>>3368869
remember to use construction and focus on plane changes when drawing distorted angles like this you ngmi creme shitter
>>3368870
suck my balls
>>3368988
suck my balls
>>3368991
enviroment looks very small compared to the figure stupid mini fag
>>3369025
mashallah brother
>>3369032
suck my balls

>>3369038
man chill lol

>>3367467
At least 2

>>3369056
>>3369066
go home

>>3369032
Thank you! Will do.

>Bought a Cintiq 13HD
>Bought Clip Studio Paint
>Still no clue where to start

I mostly want to start drawing people and animals. Fantastical illustrations as well as science-fiction. Are there some absolute best guides to get me into constant practicing or is it more subjective? I'll take any tips I can get, please.

Also my Wacom drivers keep claiming they don't work every time I restart my PC so I need to shut them down and then restart them.

Crit?

>>3369372
I like the pose and clothes but if it's meant to be female, isn't the face rather distinctly male?

>>3369373
Hm. How do I make it more female? Bigger lips, smaller eyebrows?

>>3369374
Eyebrows, narrow jaw and softer cheeks.

>>3369376
I see, thanks.

Please critique. Reference based but I refuse to do photo realism or hyper realism.

>>3369385
I like everything but the nose. It's too flat if you look at the tip of it. Should've made it just a wee bit more round and you would've been gold.

>>3369385
post reference

I just drew this from imagination bls rate

>>3369459
"Lets step over her corpse to save ourselves!"

Tried out sighting and my ability to copy accurate proportions. I'm disappointed with the draftsmanship but somewhat content with the proportions. Does anyone have any tips? Sucking ass at this really depresses me, but I guess everyone starts somewhere.

>>3369491
And this about 40 minutes.

And this took about 40 minutes.

>>3369491
Keep it simple.

>>3369511
Thank you; I'll start doing this! I imagine the learning curve isn't too steep to catch on pretty quickly.

rate, pls

>>3369346
A-Anyone? ;_;

I'm trying to move form line based drawing to a value based style.

>>3369521
NO NO NO HE'S NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE FUR

>>3369385
I really like the rendering and your style is nice but the nose looks like michael jackson's and the facial features are out of perspective. The closer eye looks more open than the further one. Don't want to nitpick, but she has no eyelashes and doesn't wear eyeliner apparently. Otherwise, I like the hair and the shading. Keep it up anon!

>>3369346
>no clue where to start
>I want to start drawing people and animals
Gee, I wonder where you should start.

>>3369598
Well, I'm a complete newcomer. I could use some good pointers for guides. Books, videos, anything. That's what I meant by start.

Is Fun with a Pencil for construction or anatomy?

>>3369623
Construction but it does have some anatomy, just a bit.

>>3369599
Not the person you replied to but I do draw animals a lot. I learned the basics of perspective, then read How to Draw by Scott Robertson (in the art book thread) and then I learned to draw cars. Then I learned to draw animals by applying my car drawing skills.

>>3369459

Anyone else try to read How To Draw by Scott Robertson and feel like a total brainlet?

I'm not saying its bad or unhelpful its just that it seems like a bit much for beginners.

>>3369695
Just take it slow dude, dont turn it into a chore for yourself.

>>3369695
The thing about How To Draw is that each page describes concepts very quickly, but you need to practice those things quite a lot. If you skip over stuff you'll quickly get overwhelmed. I think it was designed as an aid for teaching classes.
That's why I loved Erik Olson's videos. He presents one idea, then you explore every facet of that idea for the next 5 videos. And every video thereafter repeats every idea you've gone through so it gets hammered into your brain.

>>3369719
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>>3369719
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>>3369719
>>3369719
>>3369719

Well I'm already lost as to how to start. It seems like the meme is to "just draw". But if im not sure why my circle is lopsided or why my lines are wiggly how do I correct myself?

>>3365246
Would it help anyone if I uploaded the entire ctrlPaint premium library?

>>3369730
Start reading/watching whatever you planned on reading. ellipses wont be perfect, If you drew that by hand thats pretty damn impressive but make sure your going fast enough to eliminate wriggles and your drawing tool makes contact only once to make the circle in one go.

>>3369748
That was the first page of the Loomis book. Not my drawing. Thanks for the advice.

>>3369738
If you do then it'd be good to add to the guide or OP.

>>3368869
Pretty good for /beg/. That's also a difficult angle to draw if you're still getting comfortable with perspective.