/ic/ - Artwork/Critique

>>3281805
because you're not using construction

spend more time measuring the proportions retard

>>3281812
I've never seen anything that explains "construction" beyond "draw a circle and draw an axis where the eyes should go and maybe lines for the nose and mouth too". Whenever I do that, I usually just end up ignoring the line for the eyes anyway, it doesn't seem to help much. And what if I put the line in the wrong place, anyway. How am I supposed to "construct" that very first guideline? How am I supposed to know how much and where it curves? And when I chisel out that first circle into the cheeks and chin, what if I end up making some of those parts too big and too small, how am I supposed to construct all those details on the surface of the "skull"?

At some point you just have to draw the fucking thing. Which is where it all goes wrong. I'm open to learning though. Just please don't tell me to read Fun With A Pencil again.

>>3281814
I feel autistic when I spend too much time planning something that should be so simple, but I guess you're right, if I practice getting it correct then eventually I'll be able to do it faster.

post your work and i will tell you why

>>3281815
Take your pen and put it in-between your eyes in front of your vision. Cross your eyes and slowly move your pen forward to your paper/screen. The distance you in your blurred vision is where you adjust the eyes so that's properly spaced like how the nips do it.

That's the secret. The rest is wrote memorization.

>>3281817
learn perspective
try very hard to imagine things in 3d
do that for a long time

congrats, now you feeel it if its wrong

>>3281815
No offense, but you have no idea what you're talking about. So stop trying to convince yourself of things using your own guesswork.

Drawing takes time to get good at. It's as simple as that. If you think construction isn't the answer, you haven't practiced enough. You haven't learned enough. Failure = lessons. Learn something every time you fail. This is why drawing takes time to get really good at. You need to fail over and over and over until you've learned all the lessons. So instead of going "FUCK THIS ISNT WORKING I SUCK I MUST BE DOING IT WRONG WHATS THE SECRET", cut that shit out, look at your shitty drawing and think: "What can I learn from this?"

Allow me to reiterate. Skills are not developed through success. They are developed through failure. Failure is where learning takes place.

>>3281826
Then explain to me how construction will help me, or point me to something that teaches it.

I'm just gonna start reading this.

>>3281831
Construction helps you place features correctly you fucking chucklefuck. Combine construction with proportions and you’ll know how big to make things and where to place them

>>3281845
he fell for the meme

>>3281831
Construction will help you visualize what you draw in a 3D space instead of a 2D one, allows perspective to be used and makes proportions easier to grasp.
I know it will sound like a fucking meme but Loomis is actually good to learn about human construction. Scott Robertson is great for environment and mechanized stuff. There's a ton of resources on the artbook thread to help you get started. Work hard anon, I hope you will create art that satisfies you someday.

>>3281805
We've all been through that stage, keep experimenting until you find your approach

>>3281849
Loomis's books are a bit light on actual instruction, but he was a damn good artist. If I could draw people like him then I would be very happy.

>>3281851
I have Robertson's book too, but I gave up part way through because replicating all the exercises was such a slog. I'm not sure if finishing it would really help me.

>>3281856
Thank you Cirno. Occasionally I have drawn things that I think look ok. I know that if I ganbaru then I will get better. I was mainly just venting.

>>3281817

you also internalize things better when it's carefully thought through/planned out. like those fzd drawings where they do the autistic perspective stuff with animals or whatever.

as for >>3281858
>replicating all the exercises was such a slog.
try and find ways to apply the exercises to things you give a shit about. will definitely hold your interest and help you learn better than just following what a very rigid thing is trying to tell you.

>>3281860
Why don't you show us your most recent attempts?

>>3281858
"How to Draw"? Yes it can be pretty tedious. Once you finish it and practice a little you should understand the basics of how to do grids and how to construct buildings or vehicles in perspective. I'm just out of /beg/ but even I can understand how much help this book is if you're any interested in making backgrounds, comics, or draw characters in any setting, really. It's full of things to memorize but it's conveyed well through the exercises. Try doing one exercise a day, maybe?
If you don't give up now and work for a few hours every day with books or precise guidelines to lead you, you will see progress quicker than by any other means, I promise (the baseline here is to have a precise of idea of what to do- that's why artbooks are so great, they are full of related informations and methods to learn them efficiently). You're in the boring part of learning how to do art, I know, because everything you do doesn't end up looking great. You've got to find happiness in the little things you achieve: a curve or a line that looks good, a drawing with correct construction and perspective, something that ends up looking more decent that usual,...

>>3281863
Top is one of the better ones I've done recently, bottom is what it looks like when things go wrong (supposed to be Ann from P5). I also spent significantly more time on the top one though.

>>3281815
There is no construction. You just draw. copy and memorize a lot and then just repeat the best faces from memory. Best artists have just have exceptional visual memory.

>>3281873
not that anon but
frontal views are baby tier easy keep trying from different angles but use a good construction even a box will do

>>3281831
>Begging to be spoonfed this bad

>>3281805
>>3281849
This is why you have to life draw, learn fundamentals, and draw realistic stuff. Otherwise, you're going to miss out on their motives for stylistic choice. I'm not saying that it's bad to copy styles, but you shouldn't start with anime if you're a complete beginner.

I was in your position before, I get that life drawing sounds boring, but you improve with it faster as a beginner than you do from copying anime poorly.

>>3281880
dafuq are you smoking. Frontal views are one of the hardest to master. 3/4 views are a lot easier.

>>3281930
he made an anime thread crying about how bad he is

pretty sure he's never going to even consider drawing from life

>>3281812
construction is a meme dude

>>3281873
She can stand to use more cranium.

>>3282206
lmao

>>3282007
you can mirror half of the face how is that hard

There's no secret about anime face. Just become a mindless copy machine. I started drawing last January. Since then I've been copying anime for a whole year. I also started copying Loomis and Vilppu at the same time but couldn't stick to them in the end. I could not read them past the first few chapters. Last week I drew right pic from imagination except the pedal effector she holds.

There's no secret about anime face. Just become a mindless copy machine. I started drawing last January. Since then I've been copying anime for a whole year. I also started copying Loomis and Vilppu at the same time but couldn't stick to them in the end. I could not read them past the first few chapters. Last week I drew right pic from imagination except the pedal effector she holds.

>>3281805
Don't fret OP! I'm in the same boat I'm working on an anatomy study right now because I know I suck at it. How am I doing guys? Have I made some improvement?

im not op but does this face looks alright? im using a fucking box instead of the meme ball

i know the mouth/ear is fucked

>>3282206
>>3282248
>>3282250
>>3282254

>>3282255
Checked.

>>3282267
czech

>This
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg&t=6682s

And prospective will bring out your heads.

Once you learn relations and how they turn in space you will get better. I always measure form the ear to find everything

>>3282273
>shilling

>>3282224
>>3282255
Well, its been years since I have been back to ic, but I am guessing this is some sort of new meme

>>3282274
First videos free which has loads of information if you want more buy a $30 sub, torrent it or relay on the hundreds of shit 4 minute "watch me draw" anatomy videos that don't teach you anything.

>>3281805
>AND THEY STILL COME OUT LOOKING FUCKING DEFORMED

That's just the "aesthetic" of anime

If you're hell bent on anime then check out Doxy for some good tutorials

https://www.youtube.com/user/DoxyDoo

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCk_rl9hO9bhPM2IUQFDh8yg

http://prismblush.com/tutorials/

These wont help much if you don't know shit about actual anatomy tho

>>3281805
If all you do is copy existing drawings, you're less likely to achieve functional cartooning skills. You may pick up some stylization at best.

Serious anime/cartoon drawing is about object/form design first and foremost. Go look at good Japanese artists who also draw fanart of western cartoons. You might better see the fundamental skills that aren't related to copying style cliches.

>>3281849
What are you talking about?
This is legit a good book and a great addition to, for example, Hampton, whose head (and feature) construction is very basic. Loomis' way of drawing kid's heads will make you understand better how to construct the more neotenous anime faces you want to draw.

>>3281845
>FALLING FOR THE LOOMIS MEME

>>3282486
Post your work.

Just because you fags are too stupid to get it doesn't make Loomis a meme.

>>3282490
the "I've been studying Loomis for a year now!" level

>>3282499
not bad, seen worst for a year

>>3282273
should i grab some popcorn?

>>3282501
>sorry excuses for soulless loomis drawing
go on, it's super-cringy

>>3282504
Ten times more soul than your moe blob anime shit

>>3282248
Good progress anon

>>3282283
>If you're hell bent on anime
Eventually I want to be a well-rounded artist who can draw anything well. Anime is just what I want to draw most right now.

>>3282412
>If all you do is copy existing drawings, you're less likely to achieve functional cartooning skills.
I figured that if I can't execute this very simple task, then what hope do I have of drawing something good from imagination?

>>3281805
stop drawing anime

>>3281805
keep drawing anime

>>3282486
>Loomis
>meme
Explain

>>3281805
maybe by drawing anime

>>3281805
Well heck, you get better by drawing more from real life objects and humans.

Do more studies you big dumbo

>>3282695
post your work

>>3282735
>implying I'm not complete garbage as well

I'm just saying anon, you're gonna make it.

>>3282796
>all those studies
>that face
So realism really is a meme...

>>3282796
I like your art anon keep it up

Just learn construction. I've been grinding shitty boxes and trying to improve my hand control these last weeks, nothing exceptional, I felt like I wasn't doing anything worthwile, then I tried drawing some Bloodborne-like creatures using construction and I saw a huge improvement, I can also draw anime faces at any angle now. I'm having fun to draw again. Now I'm struggling hard with anatomy.

>>3281815
Do as I did, work on those basic shapes and your perspective, at some point you'll develope some sense of space that will GREATLY improve your art.

>>3282250
ngmi, your drawing lacks very basic aspects lf the fundamentals, i see no progress

is this the new "how do i fucking draw anime" thread

>>3282868
from where do you practice your boxes?

>>3282904
nope those thread ar haram for hotpockets

>>3282868
>I can also draw anime faces at any angle now
well you post your work or you are just talking out of your ass

>>3282628
It's a common meme on 4chan for commonly given advice to be deceivingly described as a trick or joke.

>>3282824
thanks anon

>>3282255
The first one is better than you by a huge margin. I guarantee it.

>>3282621

>Eventually I want to be a well-rounded artist who can draw anything well.

Then learn from multiple sources stupid.

Heres a torrent of ctrl paint stuff buy them if they help you. Start with prospective you're probably fucking your faces up because you don't understand it right, I know because im being a hypocrite right now. I use to just take artists drawings and try to copy them which doesn't do shit then I started relearning fundies and drawing from life and it really really helped.

https://bt4g.com/magnet/b0d5f66874da693ed1a369af4b73514386c01035

Think about it this way anon. If you can draw a near perfect anatomically correct head then drawing a simplified anime girl should be extremely easy.

Theres nothing wrong with you,your hand, or your brain you just gotta learn and learn the right stuff.

>>3283371
this post is the icing on the humor cake that is this thread

>>3281866
Not that anon, but out of curiosity, how long would you guess it takes to get out of the boring part of learning? To the point where I at least don't want to erase every line I draw out of existence?Please don't mistake this as looking for a shortcut or something, I'm just curious.

>>3281805
I did some basic anatomy/realism first (for many years) then went for anime after. Honestly it did wonders for my works and I feel more free in being able to shift styles.

>>3283937
Post your wonderful works.

>>3283923
>how long would you guess it takes to get out of the boring part of learning?
That, my friend, depends on how long it takes for you to find a purpose and thus enjoy practicing.

>>3283939
I wouldn't say they're wonderful and I'm really shy about posting my finished works, but here's a quick doodle/sketch of a character's head I did a few months ago (pls no bully).

But yeah I'm not the best, but as someone who started with fundamentals before ever considering going anime, all that stuff really helped me along the way.

>>3283943
Deep. Thank you, anon.

>>3282273
>Giving stupid weebs with no attention span for anythings that's not they're japanese anime a 3 hour video.
It's a really good resource anon, but no one in this thread or anyone constantly making threads about "how 2 draw this anime" will watch this.

>>3285455
Post your work.

>>3285459
Post your work.

Anime works for me when using a reference. Practice and you can pick up techniques to work on your own characters. I’m still pretty amateur but I sketched this up earlier, working on proportions more and the shapes in this help me out.

>>3285459
>>3286189
both of you, pyw

where the fuck is /fda/

easy 4 tries already kind of did it

I'm how I'm doing guys. Something about the current image is wrong please help?

>>3286445
The gesture of the hands is actually much better in your old pic, but I'm assuming you copied that.

Besides the change in medium, there's little appreciable difference between the two drawings.

>>3286445
What can I do to get better?

>>3286475
What can I do to get better? I'm not kidding I have no life and live for drawing. Should I start with basic figure drawing?

>>3286512
study anatomy books , loomis , vilpu whatever , and your fundies too learn how to draw figures/shapes e.tc in a 3d plane try drawabox.com

ITT: stiff symbol drawing and not using ctrl-z enough

use a reference

get the flow of the figure right

use ctrl z until whatever youre drawing is perfect

see tutorial

>>3286445

no flow at all, youre symbol drawing. you dont want stiff lines, you want a flowing form look at >>3286622

>>3282250
>2005 on the left
Then is 2018 on the right?

>>3286626
Thank you, I see it now. I was just now watching a tutorial on youtube that explained this very thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bw3BW4Q6VM

>>3286693
Yes. Sadly. I'm still very much a beginner even all these years later. I gave up drawing for about three years. I never practiced the fundamentals I would mainly draw what I see and create a copy.

>>3282796
>top, right
I WANT TO MAKE HER A MOMMY.

But seriously, the ass is too fat even for anime. Need to trim a bit of that off and it'd look perfect.
Nice job though.

>>3286445
>lina
nice taste

Are there any books or videos or other good resources to better understand the basic principles of anime/manga style, especially faces and what separates it from western comics or french cartoons?

>>3288152
Copy them. Just start doing it and you'll see what are the design choices behind.
I had this constant state of uncertainty too, you just have to start copying. The time you spend trying to find a good way to approach the task is time not spent on the task itself, so you are not improving.

>>3286445
You made me all nostalgic.

GO BACK TO FUNDIES

>>3288555
those knees lmao

>>3288580
Well, redline them.

>>3288584
huh , how about you get good instead of wanting everything handed to you

>>3288585
Well, I have weird looking knees.

>>3286744
>2005 to 2018
>still very much a beginner
Jesus thank god it's just a hobby for you.
If I had progress like that I think I'd just end it half way through. No offense. Jesus, that makes me feel bad. I need a shower now.

>>3286209
Post your Work.

>>3288584
Don't mind that crab, you're better than most anime fags on /ic/ and clearly studied your part. Look into the legs again though, anon isn't wrong about that knee, he can probably just not redline it. The thighs also are of different lengths, proportions!
Really like how you stylized the upper body, tough, especially the face. For how long have you been drawing?

>>3290648
That's fair.

At first I thought they had a problem with the "angular" approach I attempted at that point, just something that from gesture study I did in the past, but after some consideration I concluded that its probably kneecap placement.

Its hard to tell because they gave no indication about what they think its wrong with it, and it can be several different things. Its such a small thing it would be good to just have mention something about it, or failing that, provide a red line if hard to articulate using words. The problem with "figure it out yourself" its that its very possible to get "wronger" if you know what I mean, although that sometimes can be pretty funny.

I have been drawing all my life, technically, for at least 20 years. However for most of that time is not a conscientious approach. I have been drawing far longer than being as mediocre as I am.

>>3290963
Your calf inserts are too low, making the lower leg look really weird. That flat area under the knee on the back of the leg shouldn't be there. If you go on Quickposes and look at some pictures of women, you'll see what I mean.

>>3288805
You don't have ANY reason to be such a fucking cunt. Grow the fuck up.

>>3291079
you must be new here

where the FUCK is /fda/

here ya go

if you dont do a study of this

your loss

>>3288555
Oh god how do I get this good :O ;_; epic work man.

>>3291079
>>3291193

wow ive never been on 4chan's side before
im always on tumblrinas safeweb side

this is new

>>3291079
You shouldn't call them out on their retardedness. You need to know that it only fuels their immaturity. It's like being back in fucking highschool. I'd bet good money that they're still there honestly.

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>>3288555
Nice dubs!

>>3291369
Not OP. First time trying to do any kind of anime style face. Anything look really wrong? Spent about an hour.

>>3293540
Looks great!
Gotta ask how did you go about learning anatomy and training your eyes to actually copy things this well?

Cheers

>>3293769
Just straight observation. I'm not great at anatomy, i've just tried to train my eyes to see when something looks wrong. If i need help with a part or a pose i'll look up references.

>>3293540
Not anime enough for me. I'm thinking of western actress when I look at that

>>3288158
And you can discard traditional style/learning as well if all you want to do is draw generic animu faces?

>>3291369
I am guessing you are talking to me >>3290987 Hey man, that's fair enough. I don't want to excuse it, but looking back I think I do this more when I am on a computer somehow.

>>3291373
I can never tell if people are being sincere or not, but thanks.

>>3293540
Man, I felt like your version is honestly better than the drawing in the original.

>>3295444
Anime is not just one thing though.

>>3295469
Its probably rich coming from me, but practicing in traditional arts is not necessarily about learning to draw just one way, but being able to analyses what you are seeing and produce results for desired effect. Its true that many people who draw anime or cartoon style doesn't have very in depth traditional arts training, in many cases this is how their personal style is developed, but this also makes them less flexible as artists.

Since this seems like the anime thread:

This is my first attempt at copying something and appart from using basic and poorly applied construction techniques, I have literally no idea what I'm doing.

Any feedback and tips are appreciated.

>>3297301
Stop copying anime.

>>3297306
But I want to draw anime so I suspect that it'll have to be involved in the process somehow.

>>3297310
I DON'T WANNA SEE YA

Construction is a fucking meme. Look videos of actual manga artists, no one bothers sketching circles and shit

>>3297482
theyre training wheels you idiot. theyre literal visual concepts that you can later shed with repeated practice. its not necessary but it can help. like most other things. do it for long enough and work hard at it take breaks and change how you tackle it and maybe something will click. youre looking for that something. practice more and switch the ways you go about things then come back. find what works for you on your own through mental hardwork its not completely passive

>>3297301
What do you want to draw like? Any specific artist or series with style you want in mind?

Is copying a meme?

this whole board is a meme

>>3297530
I'd like to draw like a few of my favorite artists, yeah. I've always like ABe and Range Murata for example so I'll try and study some of their works as often as I can.

>>3297301
>copying anime
What's your reference? The irises are too small for typical anime girls, and the face shape is unusual too.

>>3297892
Pic related. It's a bit of a strange shaped face anyway but mine isn't wide enough I don't think. I kind of just started with a circle and then retardedly added features to it.

That's kind of what I mean when I say I have no idea what I'm doing. I understand the importance of construction but applying it the stylised feature of anime characters is tricky to say the least.

is this kawaii uguu

>>3297904
Look at "how to draw anime" tutorials on deviantart or something. I'm not even fucking kidding. Don't just settle for any tutorial but if you're struggling this hard with the basics of construction, you need the legitimate basics of tutorials (use your eyes to see which ones are gonna be the least shit of course). Don't copy THEM, but look at them and see how they put faces together, understand the shapes they use and where they put the lines in the face, and then use that understanding to draw the kind of pictures you want to be able to replicate with a similar thought process. If you can't immediately transfer existing images to a bunch of circles and lines (which you probably won't be able to, even with your reference stuff, and that's okay!) then trace your guidelines over the pictures you want to draw. Don't trace the picture itself, but use the tutorials you have as reference and try to work out how these pictures come together and trace said pictures with the construction shapes. Over and over again until you understand the shapes that make them up. Then start replicating your guidelines you drew over the pictures instead of the pictures themselves. It's not hard at all to draw guidelines for a stylised face when you have some kind of reference, in fact it's definitely much easier than doing it for realistic things. You won't get it perfect the first time. You won't get it perfect the second time. Do it over and over and eventually you will get it to a level you're happy with. Then do it a hundred more times and do a hundred more pictures and you'll be able to do it quickly and effectively, and one day you will have your own style and won't need to replicate random anime pictures anymore.
(picture attached looks like shit obviously, but I'm on mobile and i wanted something to quickly demonstrate what i mean. Do it properly, of course, but seriously, this kind of exercise will help you to understand it so much.)

>>3297904
Then you need more observation / measuring. She has a pointy chin, and the left edge of her face implies form, even though the curvature is tiny. And much larger irises. Also in a slightly different angle.

>started with a circle
I believe japs mostly start with a cross and a segmented V shape that doesn't really look too different from usual loomis, just quicker.

>>3297929
This, while you can break it down to a circle, most japs I've seen draw do it from memory on a symbol-based approach.

>>3281824
I use proko's way of sketching a head and now almost every angle seems simple to me.

>>3288158
Shitty lighting. How is your eyesight doing?

>>3282796
nice hands m8

>>3293540
consistent long humerus

>>3297927
>>3297929
>>3297930
Many thanks. I'll go look some up.

>>3291079
They've been allowed to waste 13 years of their life, just about as long as you been alive, a dose of 'wake the fuck up' is long overdue.

Any book about construction? Or a good guide/tutorial?
Some anons said that japs start with a cross and a segmented V shape. How to get it?

>>3298053
Loomis. The answer is always Loomis.

animeah?shit is hard as fuck

>>3298155
>front view

fucking pleb

>>3281805
Are those threads reportable yet?

>>3297921
This is actually pretty nice, well done

>>3282248
nice muff ;)

run with the dogs tonight, IN SUBURBIA.

this guy draw better than whoever is posting ITT

>>3298163
Why would you want to report one of the only few decent threads with actual art discussion in them?

>>3298641
ill shove my fat cock in that

>>3298767
this

>>3281805
How's my anime coming along? Any tips for highlights on hair!!!??

>>3283551
the only joke is you, buddy

How do japs start with just two lines instead of a circle like you'd see with any western tutorial

>>3282796
Sick hands man, im jealous.